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November 29, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-285
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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The war finally begins in earnest. Whatever held the Russkies back has broken. Like everything in life its the final chapter in a Scooby Doo real estate play. Posted by: steve | Nov 29 2024 13:43 utc | 1 “The war finally begins in earnest.” Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2024 13:54 utc | 2 Incidentally the Russians returned hundreds of bodies to Ukraine recently – either 500 or 900, I forget. Yet the Guardian, where I read it, says Russia doesn’t release information on Russian bodies returned. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2024 13:57 utc | 3 Dmitry Orlov with Nima. Good conversation as always. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2024 13:59 utc | 4
Because they are not even collecting their own bodies. Posted by: Jergus Lapin | Nov 29 2024 14:01 utc | 5 Ukraine Weekly Update, 29th November 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-f5c Posted by: The Busker | Nov 29 2024 14:24 utc | 6 “Incidentally the Russians returned hundreds of bodies to Ukraine recently – either 500 or 900, I forget. Yet the Guardian, where I read it, says Russia doesn’t release information on Russian bodies returned. Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 29 2024 14:36 utc | 7
I read somewhere on Telegram that the count was 500 Ukrainian bodies for 50 Russian bodies. Mas o menos. 10:1 ratio. Sounds pretty realistic. Not quite sure where I saw it. Probably Slavyangrad or DDGeopolitics. Posted by: Matt Moscow | Nov 29 2024 14:36 utc | 8 “Canadian soldier dies of medical complications while serving in Belgium” Posted by: kupkee | Nov 29 2024 14:41 utc | 9 This latest swap seems to be closer to 6 for 1: Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 29 2024 14:43 utc | 10 To be fair you would expect the side that’s advancing to collect the majority of bodies – of both side’s soldiers. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2024 15:04 utc | 11 YetAnotherAnon @3: “I wonder why Ukraine don’t tell the world how many Russian bodies they’re repatriating?” Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 29 2024 15:18 utc | 12 Canadian Police Treat Nazi Monument As War Memorial in Vandalism Case – Media Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 29 2024 15:27 utc | 13 The Electric War Escalates To Final Stage… Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 29 2024 15:35 utc | 14 Incidentally the Russians returned hundreds of bodies to Ukraine recently – either 500 or 900, I forget. Yet the Guardian, where I read it, says Russia doesn’t release information on Russian bodies returned. Posted by: Mike R | Nov 29 2024 15:36 utc | 15 RT The NATO Parliamentary Assembly’s resolution on Wednesday calling for Ukraine to be supplied with medium-range missiles — defined by the now-defunct INF Treaty as those with ranges between 1,000 and 5,500 kilometers — is a significant development, though not a final decision by the bloc or any national government. Posted by: salmon | Nov 29 2024 15:36 utc | 16
i know he is nothing but a spokesperson, basically a glorified secretary (i wonder if he wears a skirt behind his little podium, like the good little bitch that he is), but he is “highly educated”. shouldnt he notice some discrepancies in the text he is reading out loud? Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 29 2024 15:48 utc | 17 shouldnt he notice some discrepancies in the text he is reading out loud? Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 29 2024 16:03 utc | 18 reply to 15 Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 29 2024 16:13 utc | 19
@Rezident_UA Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2024 16:24 utc | 20 I don’t know if anyone posted this before: Posted by: schkid | Nov 29 2024 16:29 utc | 21 CNN is publishing the Kellogg’s ultimatum to Russia, points are as follows Posted by: Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22 @ Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22 Posted by: james | Nov 29 2024 16:54 utc | 23 @ Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22 Posted by: james | Nov 29 2024 16:56 utc | 24 I trust Mercouris more than CNN. I understood him to say that the report the US media claims is Kellogg’s “peace plan” was actually written during the campaign as a paper giving Trump talking points for his campaign. Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 29 2024 17:02 utc | 25 Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2024 17:03 utc | 26 Posted by: Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22 Posted by: alek_a | Nov 29 2024 17:09 utc | 28 US diplomacy Posted by: ld | Nov 29 2024 17:12 utc | 29 Thank you, wage laborer at| Nov 29 2024 17:02 utc | 25 Posted by: juliania | Nov 29 2024 17:30 utc | 30 My comment inserted above was made under b’s thread “To The Last Ukrainian”. Posted by: juliania | Nov 29 2024 17:33 utc | 31 Re:wagelaborer @25, Posted by: Kadath | Nov 29 2024 17:37 utc | 32 Kellogg’s plan is breath taking in its stupidity…..its not even a starting point…… Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 29 2024 17:47 utc | 33 Given Putin’s anti-Communist commitment, it’s conceivable to me that he might attempt to make a deal. But I suspect that would require his turning his government into a personal dictatorship to force this down against popular resistance, which could be expected to only increase as the cost of reparations is felt. In the short term, he might even have to ban the KPRF? Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 29 2024 18:16 utc | 34 steven t johnson | Nov 29 2024 18:16 Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 18:43 utc | 35 The Russians were happy the lametacms were used. That underground facility needed to go and the time was right to toss the squirrels a few hazlenuts. Russia “please use more lametacms”. Posted by: Fred | Nov 29 2024 18:48 utc | 36
He is committed to reconciliation, as he has stressed and shown. Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 18:52 utc | 37 Want to know what a anti war president looks like? JFK. Over and over again they promise I will end the wars and over and over they create and sustain them. Posted by: Fred | Nov 29 2024 18:53 utc | 38 After what is happening in Syria with the direct NATO and IDF attack on the SA………..RF needs to immediately take out the Ukronazi 750kv stations, every single one of them, leave not one in operation, and end all rail service between Kieve and Poland and Odessa. Knock out every rail bridge and rail electropower stations, and all locomotive service yards. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 29 2024 19:00 utc | 39 Alexander Mercouris just put out a new video replying to the latest news regarding Kellog’s “plan” and all of the new details that are being leaked. The short summary is that the Neocons are taking Kellog’s idea document and are re-working his rough outline of ideas into something that serves their goals. Namely, they want a repeat of the Yugoslavia solution, get 100,000 European soldiers in the Ukraine so they can rebuild the Ukrainian army and then once they’ve rebuild the army, the Ukrainians will restart the war and invade Russia again. Basically Minsk III, the new wrinkle is that Mercouris thinks the Europeans are serious about sending 100,000 soldiers there even if Russia attacks them, as the Neo-Cons are hoping to stage a situation where Trump has to escalate US support for Ukraine or he would abandon the Europeans troops to a humiliating retreat or destruction. Overrall tone of the video is pretty downbeat, looks like Mercouris agrees that the US is building towards more escalation. Posted by: Kadath | Nov 29 2024 19:18 utc | 40 Dmitry Orlov with Nima. Good conversation as always. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2024 19:19 utc | 41 “We have to make sure that Ukraine is in a position of more strength than they are at the moment,” Rutte continued, “so that a deal can be struck which is favorable not to the Russians — and therefore to China, North Korea and Iran — because they all will be watching.” Rutte Posted by: Mike R | Nov 29 2024 19:24 utc | 42 So Putin was caught with his pants down yet again, and yet again deceived by dear partners he seeks to do business with (Turkey in this case) Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 29 2024 19:27 utc | 43 @ #1 – Steve Posted by: DM: | Nov 29 2024 19:28 utc | 44 Information from Yuzhmash still seems to be completely locked down, certainly the Western legacy media networks have effectively memory-holed it. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 19:41 utc | 45
This man gets it. Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 29 2024 19:44 utc | 46
How many photos from inside Yuzhmash did you see before November 21? Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 29 2024 19:48 utc | 47
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/ukraine/1732889474-skandal-z-brakovanimi-minami-virobnik-provaliv-stroki-postavok-ale-hoche-novi-zamovlennya-zmi (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 19:52 utc | 48 The Ukrainian Gambit (1997-, 2008-) Posted by: Simon | Nov 29 2024 19:52 utc | 49 Wow. I thought that responding to US and UK attacks on old Russia by advocating flattening Ukraine was bad, but this? This is absolutely bizarre. Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 29 2024 20:02 utc | 50 Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 29 2024 19:48 utc | 48 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 20:03 utc | 51 The “Kellogg Plan” appears to be another instance of NATO and the “collective west” negotiating with itself and then presenting some sort of ultimatum. It is a bit more refined than that, but only on the margins. Posted by: marcjf | Nov 29 2024 20:08 utc | 52 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 19:41 utc | 46 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2024 20:11 utc | 53 Actually, Russia should respond to the Empire’s attack on Syria by taking out the Empire’s troops who are occupying 1/3 of Syria, and stealing their oil and wheat, while supporting the terrorists. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2024 20:15 utc | 54 Blinken, the Jew with the bloodiest hands since Kissinger, must be quite desperate about the situation in Ukraine if he is now sending his Islamist friends to Aleppo again, as he did under Obama. But he will no longer be able to achieve what was expected of him for his clients… Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 29 2024 20:16 utc | 55 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2024 20:11 utc | 54 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 20:20 utc | 56 It has also occurred to me that Mr T is keeping one foot on the ground, cleaning the stables at home whilst allowing the sh*te to continue overseas. So 2 1/2 D chess. But I suggest he is totally at sea on the international stage. He is America first focused, and that will be is priority. Posted by: marcjf | Nov 29 2024 20:20 utc | 57 Over 400 US/Turkey backed terrorists – in Syria killed by Russian and Syrian forces in and around Aleppo and Idlib in Syria today. The Hayat Tahrir-al-Sham (HTS) terrorist group – formerly known as Jabhat al-Nusra – and a collection of allied militias, suffered a devastating blow today. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 29 2024 20:28 utc | 58 Can anyone believe a word that this known liar now says – I think not. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 29 2024 20:29 utc | 59 Very true – England and the USA have treated many countries as their colonies – Scotland is still a colony of England’s, it has been plundering it wealth for centuries – including its oil and gas resources and lately its renewable energy sector. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 29 2024 20:35 utc | 60
Read her bio; from when she, as a child, and her father, a protestant priest, emigrated from the British Occupation Zone to East Germany, where she lived an absolutely normal life. Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 20:45 utc | 61 Republicofscotland | Nov 29 2024 20:28 utc | 59 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2024 20:49 utc | 62 Far be it from me to language-police our host, but still I have to ask: should we call the Oreshnik a “game-changer” (horribly overused word anyway) before the game has actually been changed? Which “change” was it supposed to accomplish? I thought to tell the West to knock it off. The yanks lob some missiles into Russia; Oreshnik drops but not on them; and UK/FR poodles go “yup, all safe, just as we thought” and start lobbing their own missiles as well. The Kremlin’s Red Line, which Alexander Mercouris had always maintained was Serious Business, always seemed a tad contrived to me: “We’ll huff and puff over just about the only non-nuclear thing the West hasn’t done to us yet up to this point.” Now that it is getting exposed as a joke, you better believe that Friedrich Merz is itching to get in on the action. Isn’t Pres. Putin being advised that he’s only setting himself up for repeated humiliation if he can neither do what is needed nor keep his mouth shut? Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 20:55 utc | 63
Indeed Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 20:56 utc | 64 Scandal with defective shells: the manufacturer failed delivery dates, but wants new orders, – mass media Posted by: salmon | Nov 29 2024 20:59 utc | 65 @ Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 20:55 utc | 64 Posted by: james | Nov 29 2024 20:59 utc | 66 Posted by: salmon | Nov 29 2024 20:59 utc | 66 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 21:08 utc | 67
Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 29 2024 21:10 utc | 68 Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 29 2024 21:10 utc | 69
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 21:19 utc | 69 Concluding from what I’ve read throughout the day (mostly links from in here but too much to cite sources) I think something really big is going to happen tonight or early tomorrow. Retaliation from Russia. Probably in Ukr but possibly Nato. Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 29 2024 21:33 utc | 70 @Avtonom | Nov 29 2024 21:33 utc | 71 Posted by: NoName | Nov 29 2024 21:45 utc | 71 is the german public stupid enough to elect this guy – Friedrich Merz? i guess we have to wait until early in the new year to find out.. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 29 2024 22:00 utc | 72 CrossTalk: ‘Kamikaze Joe’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 29 2024 22:17 utc | 73 @Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 22:20 utc | 74 @ markjf, §53: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 29 2024 22:27 utc | 75 This from the Russian Press (machine translated) Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 29 2024 22:31 utc | 76 @unimperator | Nov 29 2024 13:59 utc | 4 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 22:32 utc | 77
Right. That explains why the SAA and the Russian military contingent in Syria just gave the “rebels” a monstrous thrashing. How many hundreds were sent to the afterlife? I’m sure the Syrians and Russians were just “lucky”. Posted by: NH | Nov 29 2024 22:35 utc | 78 @ Avtonom, §71: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 29 2024 22:37 utc | 79 hh@62….MI6, hmm, like some Kenyan refugee becoming President of the USA…..you did say MI6? Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 29 2024 22:42 utc | 80 Narrative management: “Yuzhmash has been obliterated by a weapon we can’t intercept, so let’s heat up Syria instead and keep quiet about something that didn’t happen, caused by a Russian weapon that doesn’t exist, that caused no damage”… Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 22:51 utc | 81 “What are we all focussing on, right now?” Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2024 23:04 utc | 82 @Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 23:11 utc | 83 My expectation of Trump’s success in any diplomacy is about zero. Even with a miraculous agreement, his efforts will be chopped up by all of his opponents – both open and hidden. Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 29 2024 23:22 utc | 84 Quick note to RF MOD……check your pagers….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 29 2024 23:28 utc | 85 @NH | Nov 29 2024 22:35 utc | 79 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 23:29 utc | 86 Trump sold america to the jews. Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 29 2024 23:40 utc | 87 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 23:29 utc | 87 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 23:41 utc | 88 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 22:51 utc | 82 Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 30 2024 0:02 utc | 90
I love how you’re trying to present the use of proxy Maerican pet terrorists invading from underneath a Tukish SEAD envelope as a position of strength. It seems rather the opposite. But then I cannot fathom supporting the murder of people on foreign countries so I can steal from them, or to perpetuate the value of a debated currency. I guess I’m just too human. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 30 2024 0:21 utc | 91 Debased of course, not debated. Like the thoughts of the one I quoted. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 30 2024 0:23 utc | 92 Trump sold america to the jews. Posted by: kupkee | Nov 30 2024 0:26 utc | 93 DS map update: Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 30 2024 0:27 utc | 94 B̳O̳R̳I̳S̳ J̳O̳H̳N̳S̳O̳N̳ I̳S̳ A̳ B̳I̳N̳ B̳A̳G̳ O̳F̳ R̳O̳T̳T̳I̳N̳G̳ C̳U̳S̳T̳A̳R̳D̳!̳😂 Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 30 2024 0:28 utc | 95 @Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 23:41 utc | 89 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 30 2024 0:41 utc | 96 ZH has a posting up with the title
Too much cocaine, eh? Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2024 1:06 utc | 97 Too much cocaine, eh? Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2024 1:28 utc | 98 Too much cocaine, eh? Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 30 2024 1:30 utc | 99 Zelensky says that he wants the remaining territory of Ukraine to be taken under the umbrella of NATO. He does not mention membership. Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Nov 30 2024 1:35 utc | 100 |
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