Ukraine Open Thread 2024-285
News & views related to the war in Ukraine ...
Posted by b on November 29, 2024 at 13:26 UTC | Permalink
next page »The war finally begins in earnest. Whatever held the Russkies back has broken. Like everything in life its the final chapter in a Scooby Doo real estate play.
Posted by: steve | Nov 29 2024 13:43 utc | 1
"The war finally begins in earnest."
I hope the Kremlin's not been listening to SB2020, or I'm going to need my iodine tablets.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2024 13:54 utc | 2
Incidentally the Russians returned hundreds of bodies to Ukraine recently - either 500 or 900, I forget. Yet the Guardian, where I read it, says Russia doesn't release information on Russian bodies returned.
I wonder why Ukraine don't tell the world how many Russian bodies they're repatriating?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2024 13:57 utc | 3
Dmitry Orlov with Nima. Good conversation as always.
Make note that Zelensky, entire Rada and Ukraine's supreme court are all currently transferred in underground bunkers in the Bankova district. Russia just needs to collapse the exits and through poetic justice it would be all over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neBQhqveeXg
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2024 13:59 utc | 4
I wonder why Ukraine don't tell the world how many Russian bodies they're repatriating?Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2024 13:57 utc | 3
Because they are not even collecting their own bodies.
Posted by: Jergus Lapin | Nov 29 2024 14:01 utc | 5
Ukraine Weekly Update, 29th November 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-f5c
Posted by: The Busker | Nov 29 2024 14:24 utc | 6
"Incidentally the Russians returned hundreds of bodies to Ukraine recently - either 500 or 900, I forget. Yet the Guardian, where I read it, says Russia doesn't release information on Russian bodies returned.
I wonder why Ukraine don't tell the world how many Russian bodies they're repatriating?"
The last exchange I saw numbers for was 15 for one.
Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 29 2024 14:36 utc | 7
I wonder why Ukraine don't tell the world how many Russian bodies they're repatriating?
I read somewhere on Telegram that the count was 500 Ukrainian bodies for 50 Russian bodies. Mas o menos. 10:1 ratio. Sounds pretty realistic. Not quite sure where I saw it. Probably Slavyangrad or DDGeopolitics.
Posted by: Matt Moscow | Nov 29 2024 14:36 utc | 8
"Canadian soldier dies of medical complications while serving in Belgium"
Apparently the Canadian Government controlled Media thinks the War in Brussels is killing Canadian Soldiers.
Posted by: kupkee | Nov 29 2024 14:41 utc | 9
This latest swap seems to be closer to 6 for 1:
"Saraliev, a representative of the parliamentary coordination group for what Russia calls its “special military operation”, said that Ukraine had received the bodies of 501 servicemen, while Russia had received 89 in return."
Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 29 2024 14:43 utc | 10
To be fair you would expect the side that's advancing to collect the majority of bodies - of both side's soldiers.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2024 15:04 utc | 11
YetAnotherAnon @3: "I wonder why Ukraine don't tell the world how many Russian bodies they're repatriating?"
Cannot collect bodies when you are too busy running away.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 29 2024 15:18 utc | 12
Canadian Police Treat Nazi Monument As War Memorial in Vandalism Case - Media
https://www.rt.com/news/608395-canada-nazi-monument-war-memorial/
"Police and prosecutors in the Canadian province of Alberta have classed a monument to Ukrainian veterans who fought for Nazi Germany as a protected 'war memorial' when charging a journalist who allegedly defaced it, according to Canadian news website The Maple.
The monument to Ukrainian SS veterans, allegedly defaced has a family link to Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland, The Maple noted. Freeland's maternal grandfather, Michael Chomiak, served as a Nazi propagandist in occupied Poland, during the war and helped to raise the money for the monument."
Canadian war veterans must be turning over in their graves. A pity the Royal Canadian Legion veterans organization has chosen to remain silent on this abomination.
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 29 2024 15:27 utc | 13
The Electric War Escalates To Final Stage...
"Lights out in General Kellogg's brain too..."
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 29 2024 15:35 utc | 14
Incidentally the Russians returned hundreds of bodies to Ukraine recently - either 500 or 900, I forget. Yet the Guardian, where I read it, says Russia doesn't release information on Russian bodies returned.
I wonder why Ukraine don't tell the world how many Russian bodies they're repatriating?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2024 13:57 utc | 3
If Ukraine does the proper paperwork it will have to issue death certificates and pay the widows/family members compensation. Unless of course the paperwork is never done and the soldiers remain missing in action.
Posted by: Mike R | Nov 29 2024 15:36 utc | 15
RT The NATO Parliamentary Assembly’s resolution on Wednesday calling for Ukraine to be supplied with medium-range missiles — defined by the now-defunct INF Treaty as those with ranges between 1,000 and 5,500 kilometers — is a significant development, though not a final decision by the bloc or any national government.
Posted by: salmon | Nov 29 2024 15:36 utc | 16
"I think that’s crucial that we have a good deal because the whole world will be watching what type of deal will be struck between Russia and Ukraine when it comes to it," Rutte said."We have to make sure that Ukraine is in a position of more strength than they are at the moment," Rutte continued, "so that a deal can be struck which is favorable not to the Russians — and therefore to China, North Korea and Iran — because they all will be watching."
"And if it is the Russians, that will pose a threat long term, so we have to make sure that Ukraine is in a position where they can start these talks, and obviously then we have to take it step by step, make sure that Putin comes on board."
i know he is nothing but a spokesperson, basically a glorified secretary (i wonder if he wears a skirt behind his little podium, like the good little bitch that he is), but he is "highly educated". shouldnt he notice some discrepancies in the text he is reading out loud?
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 29 2024 15:48 utc | 17
shouldnt he notice some discrepancies in the text he is reading out loud?
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 29 2024 15:48 utc | 17
Yes, of course he notices that.
But the text is intended for an audience that, in order to limit the propaganda effort, is preferred to be considered quite stupid. They seem to be content with maybe 50% of people believing them.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 29 2024 16:03 utc | 18
reply to 15
Is the huge number of deserters inflated? If Ukr. commanders are forced to account for their reduced battle groups, then labeling people as deserters might be cheaper than KIA
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 29 2024 16:13 utc | 19
Mass desertions in the Ukrainian Armed Forces are "paralyzing Ukraine's battle plans" at a "decisive moment in the war" and putting it at a disadvantage ahead of potential peace talks, AP reports.According to military commanders and soldiers, entire units have abandoned their posts, leaving defensive lines vulnerable and accelerating territorial losses.
The publication cites "an imperfect mobilization campaign" and "overexertion and depletion of forward units" as reasons.
"Frankly speaking, we have already squeezed the maximum out of our people," says an officer of the 72nd Brigade. According to him, desertion was one of the main reasons for the loss of Vuhledar in October.
According to the Prosecutor General's Office, more than 100,000 servicemen have been accused of desertion since the Russian invasion. Almost half of them deserted in the last year alone, when force mobilization began under new rules. Government officials and military commanders admit that it "failed."
The real number of deserters could be up to 200,000. "This is a staggeringly large number by any standards, since before the start of the mobilization campaign, about 300,000 Ukrainian soldiers took part in the fighting," AP comments.
@Rezident_UA
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2024 16:24 utc | 20
I don't know if anyone posted this before:
Harald Kujat und Markus Reisner zum Krieg in der Ukraine | Talk Spezial
In German 27:30 min.
Posted by: schkid | Nov 29 2024 16:29 utc | 21
CNN is publishing the Kellogg's ultimatum to Russia, points are as follows
1 If Russia agrees to negotiations, it will receive a limited easing of sanctions.
2 A complete lifting of sanctions will take place only if a peace agreement is concluded that Kiev likes.
3 Russian energy exports will be subject to a special fee that will pay for the restoration of Ukraine.
4 Ukraine should not abandon the occupied territories, but undertakes to seek their return only through diplomatic means.
5 Regarding the last point, Kellogg admits that this will only be possible after Putin is removed from power.
point 3 is especially ridiculous, Russia agrees to tithe a % of all energy exports to Ukraine in perpetuity to pay for "reconstruction" (i.e. to be embezzled to the West), how would this even be applied? The plan probably makes use of the US dollar system conditional on proof that the fee has been applied to the transaction has been processed (again more incentive to drop the US dollar system entirely)
I like the Duran, but I think Mercouris is clutching at straws when he says he is hopefully that this plan is a sign of Trump's commitment to dialogue. These terms are so insulting to Russia that they seem designed to be rejected by Russia in order to justify further escalation by the US.
Posted by: Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22
@ Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22
sounds like a successful way to sabotage the whole process and keep the money thing working for the military industrial complex.. i guess that is the plan.. i guess that is called negotiating from a place of strength.. nice to know kellogg's alliance and servitude to the mic..
Posted by: james | Nov 29 2024 16:54 utc | 23
@ Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22
they are laughable at best... the comedian will approve!! - trump and zelensky!
Posted by: james | Nov 29 2024 16:56 utc | 24
I trust Mercouris more than CNN. I understood him to say that the report the US media claims is Kellogg's "peace plan" was actually written during the campaign as a paper giving Trump talking points for his campaign.
I didn't hear him say that this was an example of Trump's commitment to dialogue. I did hear him say that he hoped that 80 y.o. Kellogg was old enough to understand how diplomacy works. That doesn't mean that someone who thinks the US has piles of weapons to pass out can be a credible diplomat. I would prefer someone who understands Russia's security needs to have been selected as an envoy.
I think that Trump is majorly screwing up with his foreign policy picks. Either that, or Scott Ritter was right, and he was conning us during the campaign when he called for peace with Russia.
Or, Trump doesn't want to be accused of catering to Russia, the way he was accused in 2016. The Deep State went after Gen. Flynn, Trump's NSA pick, for talking with Russia's ambassador during the transition period! That was insane! But they got away with it.
I guess we'll see which it is in the days to come.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 29 2024 17:02 utc | 25
Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22
Captain cornflakes has always promoted war and that garbage certainly no different. Anyway, just a matter of time until the inauguration, if the world survives that long, and we will see if any change occurs then.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2024 17:03 utc | 26
Posted by: Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22
Those conditions are focussed just on territory and money. Barbaric. Not on what is important for Russia: getting NATO missiles away from their border and the rights of Russian speaking people in Ukraine.
As such, this is actually a good start for negotiations and I hope Russia gets on board to achieve what it wants.
Posted by: alek_a | Nov 29 2024 17:09 utc | 28
US diplomacy
Just do as you are told
don't make us use the stick
cuz we can be quite ruthless
when we wanna be a prick
Our good and faithful minions
share all of our opinions
so if ya wanna live
here's what yer gonna do
remove Putin?
Bahahahaha
Posted by: ld | Nov 29 2024 17:12 utc | 29
Thank you, wage laborer at| Nov 29 2024 17:02 utc | 25
I posted on this last night- here's the link to Alexander Mercouris and part of my comment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhC21YJo9G8&t=3896s
The last part of the video deals with Trump's appointment of General Kellog and is as important as the first part. I won't describe it in detail, but it begins with the fact that the report folk have used as a measure of the man was issued early in the presidential campaign and should be regarded in that provenance. I am reminded of President Kennedy's campaign, in that he too sounded much different from his actual course of action before he was in actuality President. So appointments made during this period ought to be viewed in the current circumstances.
At any rate, please give a listen. I agree with what Alexander is saying, and I thank him for saying it.
Posted by: juliania | Nov 29 2024 4:18 utc | 180
Posted by: juliania | Nov 29 2024 17:30 utc | 30
My comment inserted above was made under b's thread "To The Last Ukrainian".
Posted by: juliania | Nov 29 2024 17:33 utc | 31
Re:wagelaborer @25,
Oh, I trust CNN more than Mercouris, I trust CNN to lie to me about everything and anything equally, even if there is no logical benefit for CNN to lie, they will. If CNN told me the sun would rise in the East in the morning, I would look to the West. in his video yesterday, Mercouris admitted he was only slightly hopefully that this was sign Trump was willing to have a dialogue Russia, which is more than what Biden has done. However, Trump made terrible foreign policy choices last time, so Trump making terrible choices in this arena would not be surprising. Also, in today's video Alex and Alexander talked about the recent ceasefire in Lebanon and Alexander suggested that Trump made a secret commitment to Israel to go after Iran again (Maximum pressure campaign redux) to get Netanyahu’s support for a ceasefire. Trump simultaneously pushing hard against Russia, China, Iran & India (which is what he appears to be signaling) is going to push the Eurasian powers together even more. I'm not sure if the US wants a world war, but it appears certain that we'll get a new Cold War with a dictatorial US ruling tyrannically over a bunch of vassal states that it grinds up to preserve it's own elite's power vs an increasingly economically integrated Eurasia
Posted by: Kadath | Nov 29 2024 17:37 utc | 32
Kellogg's plan is breath taking in its stupidity.....its not even a starting point......
Why would RF, now in complete command all along the LOC give up its huge advantage and cave on all key points.......?
This plan is going no where, and even members of the Trump inter circle like DJT,Jr and Tucker think this plan is a non starter.
File this plan under the heading "neo con junk" !!
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 29 2024 17:47 utc | 33
These so-called peace plans coming out of the US or NATO are all non-starters, as they refuse to leave the NATO supremacist bubble, they are all just proposing a weaker NATO victory. Russia´s goals re: Ukraine are public, and so any diplomacy or dialogue would at minimum need to be recognizing those. One can hardly ever hear OF, never mind hear the specifics of Russian positions in NATO bubble discourse... So clearly they are not recognizing or engaging in dialogue about those. I mean, those positions are all abstract enough, there is plenty of room to negotiate the specific means to achieve them, or even to reject one hypothetically. But they will not even engage with them seriously to reject them specifically, they are just whole-sale off the table, nobody even thinks about them.
All this is at the loss of the people of Ukraine of course, but the most important thing for NATO is not Ukraine but it´s own power, which is the main topic behind the Russian demands they ignore. They refuse to concede any limit on their own power, which of course isn´t even any imposition on Ukraine per se if NATO would agree to it... I keep seeing fantasist scenarios like EU peace keepers etc, when clearly that is unacceptable given their previous arming of Ukraine and of course mocking of Minsk diplomacy. NATO-with-the-serial-numbers-filed-off is not any great change obviously since Ukraine is currently not in NATO yet is the entire focus of NATO as their proxy war. Any security guarantees will be for Russia to intervene in case a rump Ukraine returns to NATO orbit. NATO has done everything in it´s power to destroy ¨neutral¨ status, and IMHO even imposing that officially is not sufficiently plausible. Russia will demand security guarantees, which may even evolve towards Union State scenario where Russian forces are empowered to defend that neutral status if need be.
Of course the outcome of an even greater failure re: Ukraine does not mean the over-all policy was necessarily a failure. From US perspective, it´s NATO allies and the EU are incomparably more strongly yoked to it´s agenda, despite e.g. NATO treaties clearly being limited in geographic scope, they are now much more tight ¨global¨ allies, sending warships to China and signing up to alliances with Japan etc. Actually direct involvement in war vs China is perhaps less overtly possible in near term, but what matters is they are ¨gathered¨ to the US´ global alliance and will support it at least politically/economically. At the time of Bush Jr / Obama transition there was even open discussion in US of the ¨Byzantine model¨ of abusing allies to fight for them (or even against each other), taking care of their enemies at the same time as they keep their ¨allies¨ weak. That elite interest may find this to their advantage isn´t a surprise, one just needs look at Latin America, who has been closely tied to first Britain then the USA since it´s independence, and prefers to export it´s capital to US and Europe rather than develop sovereignty.
Posted by: x | Nov 29 2024 17:50 utc | 34
Given Putin's anti-Communist commitment, it's conceivable to me that he might attempt to make a deal. But I suspect that would require his turning his government into a personal dictatorship to force this down against popular resistance, which could be expected to only increase as the cost of reparations is felt. In the short term, he might even have to ban the KPRF?
The issues in the decline of the ruble are much greater for the wealthy in Russia. The oligarchs are part of Russian bourgeois democracy and as always in bourgeois democracy the property of the bourgeoisie is paramount. In the bourgeois ideology, property is the ultimate freedom. That's why I think Putin's government has not even instituted a proper war economy, despite being at war with the US/EU/NATO. Calling it SMO doesn't change that in my opinion.
Kellogg's nomination is part of Trump's second administration. The fact proven by Trump's first term, that he can change officials like disposing of a kleenex doesn't change that so far as I can see.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 29 2024 18:16 utc | 35
steven t johnson | Nov 29 2024 18:16
Money isn't property, nor wealth.
Property is property and, therefore, wealth.
Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 18:43 utc | 36
The Russians were happy the lametacms were used. That underground facility needed to go and the time was right to toss the squirrels a few hazlenuts. Russia "please use more lametacms".
Posted by: Fred | Nov 29 2024 18:48 utc | 37
Putin's anti-Communist commitment
He is committed to reconciliation, as he has stressed and shown.
He is not a Yeltsin...
For the first time in our recent history, the minimum wage was equated with the subsistence level. This provision will come into force on May 1, 2018, and will benefit about 4 million people. This is an important step but it still falls short of offering a fundamental solution.
We need to upgrade the employment structure that has become inefficient and archaic, provide good jobs that motivate people, improve their well-being and help them uncover their talents. We need to create decent well-paid jobs. This would help deliver on one of the key objectives for the next decade, which is to guarantee sustained long-term real income growth, and to reduce the poverty rate by at least one half over the next six years.
It is our moral duty to provide all-round support to members of the older generation, who have made a tremendous contribution to national development. Senior citizens must have worthy conditions for a long, active and healthy life. Most importantly, we must raise pensions and index them regularly, so that they outpace inflation. We will also strive to reduce the gap between the size of pensions and pre-retirement wages. And, of course, we must raise the quality of healthcare and social support for senior citizens and help people who are alone and those facing problems in life.
en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/56957
Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 18:52 utc | 38
Want to know what a anti war president looks like? JFK. Over and over again they promise I will end the wars and over and over they create and sustain them.
Glad I voted for Stein not Trumpstein. Small consolation. Dont look at the flash.
Posted by: Fred | Nov 29 2024 18:53 utc | 39
After what is happening in Syria with the direct NATO and IDF attack on the SA...........RF needs to immediately take out the Ukronazi 750kv stations, every single one of them, leave not one in operation, and end all rail service between Kieve and Poland and Odessa. Knock out every rail bridge and rail electropower stations, and all locomotive service yards.
Time to up the ante........big time....
Drop all Dnieper bridges, strand all UAF troops and units on the east side of the river........force them to surrender or starve in the cold.
Do it now, respond in kind to what's happening in Syria........
Lets see if Iran responds with another mass missile strike.........they are not signatories to the ceasefire and neither is Hezbollah.............
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 29 2024 19:00 utc | 40
Alexander Mercouris just put out a new video replying to the latest news regarding Kellog's "plan" and all of the new details that are being leaked. The short summary is that the Neocons are taking Kellog's idea document and are re-working his rough outline of ideas into something that serves their goals. Namely, they want a repeat of the Yugoslavia solution, get 100,000 European soldiers in the Ukraine so they can rebuild the Ukrainian army and then once they've rebuild the army, the Ukrainians will restart the war and invade Russia again. Basically Minsk III, the new wrinkle is that Mercouris thinks the Europeans are serious about sending 100,000 soldiers there even if Russia attacks them, as the Neo-Cons are hoping to stage a situation where Trump has to escalate US support for Ukraine or he would abandon the Europeans troops to a humiliating retreat or destruction. Overrall tone of the video is pretty downbeat, looks like Mercouris agrees that the US is building towards more escalation.
Mercouris even apologized if his prior video gave the impression that the Kellog document was a good starting point for talks. He meant that it was a election document that existed to criticize the existing Biden government and didn't require or outline anything Trump should do (i.e. boiler plate election trash, the current guy sucks, I'd be better, vote for me).
Posted by: Kadath | Nov 29 2024 19:18 utc | 41
Dmitry Orlov with Nima. Good conversation as always.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2024 13:59 utc | 4
############
I love how Dmitry reminds the listeners that Trump armed Ukraine to precipitate this war. I remember Trump crowing about how he gave Javelins and Obama only gave blankets.
And some here still believe that Trump is for peace. LOL
Elections rely upon voters having simplistic worldviews combined with the memories of goldfish.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2024 19:19 utc | 42
"We have to make sure that Ukraine is in a position of more strength than they are at the moment," Rutte continued, "so that a deal can be struck which is favorable not to the Russians — and therefore to China, North Korea and Iran — because they all will be watching." Rutte
This seems to be the prevailing position of spokespeople for the West, or at least the prevailing talking point. Just off the top of my head:
-Ukraine continues to undergo demographic collapse, to the point where if the war stopped right now, the collapse is probably baked in the cake.
-Ukraine continues to lose personnel faster than they can be replaced even while using extreme methods of conscription.
-Ukraine continues to lose fortified positions and territory at a rate that is increasing over time. It is highly doubtful that any additional supply of weapons/munitions will even allow a temporary stalemate, unless there is a direct and massive intervention by NATO.
-Ukraine's electric grid is nearly destroyed. It looks like Russia can finish it off at any time. This will cause a mass migration crisis in Europe far worse than anything since WW2.
-Ukraine is essentially insolvent, its economy held together only by aid from the West.
And somehow, Rutte and his party people will find a way to put Ukraine in a position of strength, at which time Russia will be willing to make a deal on their terms. What are these people smoking?
Posted by: Mike R | Nov 29 2024 19:24 utc | 43
So Putin was caught with his pants down yet again, and yet again deceived by dear partners he seeks to do business with (Turkey in this case)
How many times is that now? Can anyone even keep count?
What is next on the menu? Belgorod city falling like Aleppo is now? What is to stop it?
Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 29 2024 19:27 utc | 44
@ #1 - Steve
Like everything in life its the final chapter in a Scooby Doo real estate play.
Nice turn of phrase. I had to resort to AI because in my wasted youth, I obviously didn't pay enough attention to the Scooby Doo plots.
Posted by: DM: | Nov 29 2024 19:28 utc | 45
Information from Yuzhmash still seems to be completely locked down, certainly the Western legacy media networks have effectively memory-holed it.
If it wasn’t massively damaged then why not release photos, satellite images etc, showing this?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 19:41 utc | 46
Given Putin's anti-Communist commitment, it's conceivable to me that he might attempt to make a deal.Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 29 2024 18:16 utc | 35
This man gets it.
Putin's #1 job when he was installed in power was to cement the results of the 1990s and make sure the communists never took power again.
This is why the country was resurrected a bit -- because if it had not been, the communists would have taken power again as the situation became even more intolerable. They already won the election in 1996 (although it was in the end stolen), but the absolute bottom was not even the first Yeltsin term, that happened during his second. So in order to preserve their newly gained positions and stave off another communist revolution, the Russian oligarchy had to resurrect the country. But only up to a point, with serious limits remaining.
One cannot understand the way the SMO/not-war is (not) fought without always, always keeping in mind these considerations.
Seriously fighting the war would mean the Russian oligarchy giving up much of its power and wealth and the country transformed to something much more like the USSR than what it is now. It can't really be fought seriously without that happening.
Foolishly some of us were ecstatic when the SMO started because we naively thought that this is exactly what is coming. Because nobody in their right mind would ever start an existential war without a serious intention to win it, i.e. naturally the expectation was that both the war would be won and that transformation of Russian society would happen along it.
A conclusion resting on a very faulty premise as it turned out...
Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 29 2024 19:44 utc | 47
If it wasn’t massively damaged then why not release photos, satellite images etc, showing this?Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 19:41 utc | 46
How many photos from inside Yuzhmash did you see before November 21?
Having said that, given what has happened since then that strike clearly did not accomplish its purpose.
And neither will any strikes in Ukraine.
You need to start hitting decision-making centers in the West. The actual ones. Which means not the official governmental buildings, but the mansions in the countryside, while the relevant people are there.
Putin doesn't have it in him, because even if he does not directly work for those people (which is quite plausible given everything that has happened), he works for people who would like to work for them/be part of the same club and still see themselves as only temporarily rejected from it.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 29 2024 19:48 utc | 48
Scandal with defective shells: the manufacturer failed delivery dates, but wants new orders, - mass mediaThe plant, with which the state signed contracts for the supply of 500 thousand 120-millimeter shells for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, is delaying deliveries. At the same time, it is already putting forward proposals for contracts for 2025
This is stated in the material of "Economic Truth", reports RegioNews .
The publication refers to interlocutors in the Defense Procurement Agency of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Strategic Industry.
Earlier, the Ministry of Strategic Industry noted that approximately 24 thousand shellls are subject to return. And this, they say, is less than 1% of the total amount of products produced this year. However, according to the publication, by the end of the year, the specified manufacturer will at best fulfill the contract by 35%. And of these 35% of the completed part of the contract, about 16% are unusable and must be replaced.
As noted, almost all the need for 120-millimeter shells for the Armed Forces of Ukraine had to be closed with one contract for 500 thousand units from the manufacturer, whose ability was initially doubted. The state-owned enterprise, which is subordinate to the Ministry of Strategic Industry, has had overdue and unfulfilled contracts since 2023, and the company's director and his management are involved in criminal cases of abuse of office.
The first shells under the contract would have to enter the army in April 2024 and then monthly in equal batches. However, the first shipments started arriving in June. Deliveries of more or less large batches started only in autumn. According to the EP, as of the end of November, a little more than a third of the contracted 500 thousand were transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But the military began to complain massively about the quality of shells.
According to the EP, this manufacturer had failures with the supply of at least two more types of ammunition. Despite this, the plant sends its commercial proposals to the AO for millions of shells and mines, which it is supposedly ready to produce in 2025.
Recall that on November 26, the Verkhovna Rada registered a draft resolution on the dismissal of Rustem Umerov from the post of Minister of Defense of Ukraine.
This happened after the Ministry of Defense recalled domestic shells for 120 mm mortars. Before that, the military complained that these shells did not explode and did not reach the target.
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/ukraine/1732889474-skandal-z-brakovanimi-minami-virobnik-provaliv-stroki-postavok-ale-hoche-novi-zamovlennya-zmi (via translation add-on.)
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 19:52 utc | 49
The Ukrainian Gambit (1997-, 2008-)
what a horror
(1) summit of cynicism and contempt for human life of the ruling class of London and Washington and the puppets of Brussels
(2) the despicable kamikaze regime in kyiv (2014-) and on top of that
(3) the Russian ruling class that has preferred to sacrifice thousands and thousands of Russians rather than bother the empire at its weakest point
The Russian ruling class is neither rational, nor patriotic, nor does it know how to play chess
Posted by: Simon | Nov 29 2024 19:52 utc | 50
Wow. I thought that responding to US and UK attacks on old Russia by advocating flattening Ukraine was bad, but this? This is absolutely bizarre.
"After what is happening in Syria with the direct NATO and IDF attack on the SA...........RF needs to immediately take out the Ukronazi 750kv stations, every single one of them, leave not one in operation, and end all rail service between Kieve and Poland and Odessa. Knock out every rail bridge and rail electropower stations, and all locomotive service yards.
Do it now, respond in kind to what's happening in Syria........"
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 29 2024 19:00 utc
Actually, Russia should respond to the Empire's attack on Syria by taking out the Empire's troops who are occupying 1/3 of Syria, and stealing their oil and wheat, while supporting the terrorists.
It is bizarre to advocate attacking Ukraine for what the US does in Russia, but to attack Ukraine for what the US does in Syria???
Pure insanity.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 29 2024 20:02 utc | 51
Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 29 2024 19:48 utc | 48
Don’t particularly care about photos from inside the place and, if you read my earlier post properly, I wasn’t asking for those. Just a general overview, or satellite overflight image, but none have been publicly-released. In this media-saturated age, where narrative management is the theme, aren’t you just a little curious about this whole episode?
Or perhaps you aren’t bothered, because you have some sick and deep-seated fetish about seeing the Northern Hemisphere covered in irradiated dust and smoke, as many of your other postings make all too clear.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 20:03 utc | 52
The "Kellogg Plan" appears to be another instance of NATO and the "collective west" negotiating with itself and then presenting some sort of ultimatum. It is a bit more refined than that, but only on the margins.
It will be rejected by the Russian regime.
And if I can see this, as well as many other poor uninformed bloggers like me, then someone close to power or even in power must see it aswell.
So what is going on here? I have broadly two explanations. The first is that Mr T is playing some 3D chess and is somehow snookering his war hawks. This might be true but for the life of me I cannot understand how this might pan out. The other that Mr T is out of his depth, been given sh*te intelligence and a narrative not facts, and is making decisions based upon misinformation and from a background of commerce not international relation. So it is a trap for the Don.
IMHO Mr T needs to walk away from this FUBAR asap. Maybe appointing warhawks is a domestic safety measure. But these proposals will never fly and then what?
Posted by: marcjf | Nov 29 2024 20:08 utc | 53
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 19:41 utc | 46
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I think more telling is that the Russians have said little.
I assume (with all of the dangers that entails)) that the message sent was unambiguous.
I am partial to a conclusion drawn from Karlof1's translation. This wasn't only about the equipment and buildings but also the human capital of rocket engineering being used for the West.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2024 20:11 utc | 54
Actually, Russia should respond to the Empire's attack on Syria by taking out the Empire's troops who are occupying 1/3 of Syria, and stealing their oil and wheat, while supporting the terrorists.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 29 2024 20:02 utc | 51
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Russia feels about terrorists as it does about mercenaries. Cockroaches to be crushed.
I suspect that 6 months from now, Turkiye will no longer be "administering" Idlib and that Syria will properly be controlling that region, perhaps after they evacuate civilians and turn it into a Stalingrad for the various Western proxy organizations there.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2024 20:15 utc | 55
Blinken, the Jew with the bloodiest hands since Kissinger, must be quite desperate about the situation in Ukraine if he is now sending his Islamist friends to Aleppo again, as he did under Obama. But he will no longer be able to achieve what was expected of him for his clients...
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 29 2024 20:16 utc | 56
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2024 20:11 utc | 54
Yes, I read Karl’s Substack piece earlier. It was an enlightening article. Maybe I’m guilty of over-estimating the destructive power of the Oreshnik system and parts of the complex are still intact.
As you infer, the Russians saying very little speaks volumes.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 20:20 utc | 57
It has also occurred to me that Mr T is keeping one foot on the ground, cleaning the stables at home whilst allowing the sh*te to continue overseas. So 2 1/2 D chess. But I suggest he is totally at sea on the international stage. He is America first focused, and that will be is priority.
The best option for Mr T is early walk away from the inevitable debacle in Ukraine and pass the blame onto the [Biden] cabal. The longer he leaves it, the worse it gets. Of course the narrative is still one more push and Russia will collapse. So he needs to straighten out the messaging, bearing in mind the MSM will crucify him whatever happens.
But who ever said the world was a fair place?
Posted by: marcjf | Nov 29 2024 20:20 utc | 58
Over 400 US/Turkey backed terrorists - in Syria killed by Russian and Syrian forces in and around Aleppo and Idlib in Syria today. The Hayat Tahrir-al-Sham (HTS) terrorist group – formerly known as Jabhat al-Nusra – and a collection of allied militias, suffered a devastating blow today.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 29 2024 20:28 utc | 59
Can anyone believe a word that this known liar now says - I think not.
"Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel has urged Ukraine to “consider diplomatic solutions” as well as military ones to end the conflict with Russia. However, Merkel refused to say when Kiev should enter talks with Moscow.
Speaking to German broadcaster ZDF on Thursday, Merkel said that she supports Chancellor Olaf Scholz’ decision to reverse decades of foreign policy pacifism and arm the Ukrainian military, declaring that it is “not only in the interest of Ukraine but also in our interest that [Russian President Vladimir] Putin does not win this war.”"
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 29 2024 20:29 utc | 60
Very true - England and the USA have treated many countries as their colonies - Scotland is still a colony of England's, it has been plundering it wealth for centuries - including its oil and gas resources and lately its renewable energy sector.
"The US and UK, along with their NATO allies, directly control the authorities in Ukraine, acting like colonizers, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has claimed.
Lavrov issued the statement during his speech at the roundtable meeting with heads of accredited diplomatic missions in Moscow on Friday.
”The Kiev regime is directly controlled by the Anglo-Saxons (the US and UK) and works in line with colonial practices,” the foreign minister said."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 29 2024 20:35 utc | 61
Can anyone believe a word that this known liar now says - I think not.
Republicofscotland | Nov 29 2024 20:29
Read her bio; from when she, as a child, and her father, a protestant priest, emigrated from the British Occupation Zone to East Germany, where she lived an absolutely normal life.
Then, with the collapse of East Germany, she suddenly became politically active, almost immediately made a minister by Kanzler Kohl and within 10 years became head of Germany's most powerful party. MI6?
Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 20:45 utc | 62
Republicofscotland | Nov 29 2024 20:28 utc | 59
Thats good to see. The assorted American proxies around the world have lost any right to exist.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2024 20:49 utc | 63
Far be it from me to language-police our host, but still I have to ask: should we call the Oreshnik a "game-changer" (horribly overused word anyway) before the game has actually been changed? Which "change" was it supposed to accomplish? I thought to tell the West to knock it off. The yanks lob some missiles into Russia; Oreshnik drops but not on them; and UK/FR poodles go "yup, all safe, just as we thought" and start lobbing their own missiles as well. The Kremlin's Red Line, which Alexander Mercouris had always maintained was Serious Business, always seemed a tad contrived to me: "We'll huff and puff over just about the only non-nuclear thing the West hasn't done to us yet up to this point." Now that it is getting exposed as a joke, you better believe that Friedrich Merz is itching to get in on the action. Isn't Pres. Putin being advised that he's only setting himself up for repeated humiliation if he can neither do what is needed nor keep his mouth shut?
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 20:55 utc | 64
Over 400 US/Turkey backed terrorists - in Syria killed by Russian and Syrian forces in and around Aleppo and Idlib in Syria today.
Republicofscotland | Nov 29 2024 20:28
Thats good to see.
Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2024 20:49
Indeed
Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 20:56 utc | 65
Scandal with defective shells: the manufacturer failed delivery dates, but wants new orders, - mass media
The plant, with which the state signed contracts for the supply of 500 thousand 120-millimeter shells for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, is delaying deliveries. At the same time, it is already putting forward proposals for contracts for 2025
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 19:52 utc | 49
I think its a scandal that Russia allows such a factory to work normally in Ukraine.
Posted by: salmon | Nov 29 2024 20:59 utc | 66
@ Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 20:55 utc | 64
is the german public stupid enough to elect this guy - Friedrich Merz? i guess we have to wait until early in the new year to find out..
Posted by: james | Nov 29 2024 20:59 utc | 67
Posted by: salmon | Nov 29 2024 20:59 utc | 66
A couple of points: firstly, if it is only able to deliver 35% of its contracted output, and 16% of that output is rejected, clearly it isn’t working normally.
Secondly, in separate posts in an earlier thread it was reported that Iskanders had already “visited” and carried out “quality control inspections”, leading to the the defective output.
Remember, these are translations from Ukrainian outlets, who will be doing their best to put a shiny gloss on the actual situations.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 21:08 utc | 68
There is information that Syrsky sent the 157th Mechanized Brigade there to prevent a complete collapse of the front south of Kurakhovo.
The 157th Mechanized Brigade is a packed fresh one with a full set of armor.
They can throw it not only to strengthen the defense of the Kurakhovsky and Velikonovoselkovsky directions, but also to send part of their forces to counterattack our exhausted units.In this situation, our options for attacks north of Velikaya Novosyolka are sharply narrowed, as mentioned above : in the direction of Novy Komar/Novoocheretovaty; Otradny/Komar. In any case, the enemy is taking feverish measures to seal off everything they can now, to block our path to the west.
Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 29 2024 21:10 utc | 69
Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 29 2024 21:10 utc | 69
Pokrovskoe direction. It is reported that the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Syrsky arrived in this direction and brought with him the 157th fresh mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It is trying to rectify the situation with the periodic collapse of the front with strategic reserves. 157th brigade armed with NATO equipment, it belongs to the strategic reserve for 2025. Artillery from the Zaporizhia direction is also being dragged to it in addition.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 21:19 utc | 70
Concluding from what I've read throughout the day (mostly links from in here but too much to cite sources) I think something really big is going to happen tonight or early tomorrow. Retaliation from Russia. Probably in Ukr but possibly Nato.
Probably another Oreshnik round.
Posted by: Avtonom | Nov 29 2024 21:33 utc | 71
@Avtonom | Nov 29 2024 21:33 utc | 71
If they yell it from the rooftops usually nothing is going to happen.
Posted by: NoName | Nov 29 2024 21:45 utc | 72
is the german public stupid enough to elect this guy - Friedrich Merz? i guess we have to wait until early in the new year to find out..
Posted by: james | Nov 29 2024 20:59 utc | 67
They have voted for 16 years of Kohl and 16 years of Merkel - 32 years of lies, fooling around and stupidity - but that's just what they want. They will also choose the good friend from Blackrock, you can rely on that…
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 29 2024 22:00 utc | 73
CrossTalk: 'Kamikaze Joe'
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/608234-biden-russia-palestine-legacy/
"Joe Biden is in legacy mode. He has less than 2 months to leave his historical mark. He will be remembered for being unfit for office and being one of the engineers of the Palestinian genocide. To cap it all off, we can add that 'Kamikaze Joe' is playing a game of nuclear chicken with Russia.
CrossTalking with Wilmer Leon, Sarah Bils and Yves Engler."
CrossTalk: 'Transmigration'
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/608362-biden-ukraine-project-failure/
"By all accounts, Joe Biden is looking to end his presidency with a bang, literally. And by doing so, he aims to saddle Donald Trump with his foreign policy failure called the 'Ukraine Project'. Many in Trump's orbit seem to have no problem with this.
CrossTalking with John Laughland, Patrick Henningsen and Alexandre Guerrero."
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 29 2024 22:17 utc | 74
@Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22
Remember any recent victorious American wars, where promising majors and colonels earned promotion to General rank through skill and valor? Yeah me neither. One becomes a Gen by "playing the game", and Kellogg won't be an exception. That said, the incoming Trump administration is just another US Govt; by the giddy talk of some people on the Russian side, it seems they really thought they could play it slow until 20 Jan '25, and start receiving presents from that point onwards. If so, they will be sorely mistaken. With missile strikes here and jihadi offensives there, the usual suspects are trying hard to unbalance the Russkies. "Slower is better" always seems to assume that their enemies will just wait for Putin and Gerasimov to get their act together; keep dreaming. I see that RT is still trying to cover for Putin's dear friend Erdogan, suggesting that the Aleppo blitzkrieg of the moderates may be a plot against Turkey. Amidst all this excitement, Russian intel seems to have been out to lunch.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 22:20 utc | 75
@ markjf, §53:
Trump needs to urgently bring back Mike Flynn and Douglas Macgregor.
Posted by: John Marks | Nov 29 2024 22:27 utc | 76
This from the Russian Press (machine translated)
Turkey Unleashes A New Major Syrian Conflict - by Evgeny Krutikov
https://vz.ru/world/2024/11/28/1300427.html
"The situation in Syria has sharply escalated. Several anti-government groups attacked the posts of the Syrian government army west of Aleppo on a wide front.
The attack is so large that there is reason to talk of the resumption of the intra-Syrian armed conflict with the apparent assistance of Ankara..."
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 29 2024 22:31 utc | 77
@unimperator | Nov 29 2024 13:59 utc | 4
>>Make note that Zelensky, entire Rada and Ukraine's supreme court are all
>>currently transferred in underground bunkers in the Bankova district. Russia
>>just needs to collapse the exits and through poetic justice it would be all over.
Putin is NOT going to touch the Jew. Not. Gonna. Happen. Period. Anyway, for some reason the wholesale slaughter of the Slavic population of this region seems to suit both sides. We may be able to understand it better once we'll have seen what comes after. Personally, I'd also prefer for the Azov types to take care of Ze eventually. Not because it'd be justice; not because it'd lead to a better Ukraine. But instead to split the jew-nazi coalition which rules not only Kiev, but pretty much the EU and Canada as well.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 22:32 utc | 78
Amidst all this excitement, Russian intel seems to have been out to lunch.Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 22:20 utc | 75
Right. That explains why the SAA and the Russian military contingent in Syria just gave the "rebels" a monstrous thrashing. How many hundreds were sent to the afterlife? I'm sure the Syrians and Russians were just "lucky".
Have a look at Global South in which the author today points out the "hasbara" or propaganda around events in Syria. The western regimes, and, of course, their beloved Israel, puts a premium on propaganda and narrative. But it won't bring back their beloved mercenaries, sheep-dipped NATO soldiers and officers, or jihadis back.
Take a deep breath and focus on reliable sources. And wait.
Posted by: NH | Nov 29 2024 22:35 utc | 79
@ Avtonom, §71:
Idlib certainly warrants an oreshnik.
These fanatical, barbarous jihadi head-choppers need to be expunged from the face of the earth once and for all.
Putin would also make it clear to Erdoğan that his selfish opportunism won´t be supported any longer.
Posted by: John Marks | Nov 29 2024 22:37 utc | 80
[email protected], hmm, like some Kenyan refugee becoming President of the USA.....you did say MI6?
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 29 2024 22:42 utc | 81
Narrative management: “Yuzhmash has been obliterated by a weapon we can’t intercept, so let’s heat up Syria instead and keep quiet about something that didn’t happen, caused by a Russian weapon that doesn’t exist, that caused no damage”...
What are we all focussing on, right now?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 22:51 utc | 82
"What are we all focussing on, right now?"
Shadowbanned2020 and his anti-Putin schtick? Odd how he seems to turn up just before the US have an initiatve, even if this one's in Syria.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2024 23:04 utc | 83
@Kadath | Nov 29 2024 16:48 utc | 22
>>I like the Duran, but I think Mercouris is clutching at straws when he says he
>>is hopefully that this plan is a sign of Trump's commitment to dialogue.
If one wishes to fix the relationship between the USA and the rest of the world, it is foundational to recognize that the US currently is physically incapable of conducting actual diplomacy, and has been for a long time. By nominating Marco Rubio, Donald Trump shows that he doesn't see this state of affairs as problematic. Nor do the senators who'll no doubt confirm Liddle Marco, absent some unforeseen salacious facts which would out him as heterosexual. And yet, Rubio has no more the temperament to be a diplomat than did Blinken, Pompeo, or Hillary. Say what you want of John Kerry, but he patiently negotiated the JCPOA with the Iranians IIRC--in bad faith perhaps, but still...
Let's face it, Russia operates by rules that not even the British poodles let alone the USA themselves can be touched directly, no matter what these two inflict on the Russian Federation directly. Even as the wheels come off one by one, we're still mostly on the old pardigm.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 23:11 utc | 84
My expectation of Trump's success in any diplomacy is about zero. Even with a miraculous agreement, his efforts will be chopped up by all of his opponents - both open and hidden.
In particular, ANY agreement on Ukraine that includes any hint of re-arming the nation will send a message to Ukrainian refugees that they will be cannon fodder in Western plans, to fight Russia yet again, if they go back. The Ones that left are unlikely to be idiots who would fall for this trap. If EU tries to force them back, Russia can reach out, with free land even.
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 29 2024 23:22 utc | 85
Quick note to RF MOD......check your pagers.....
Funny thing is, if true, more sploddin' comms devices, you gotta give credit where due.
For the past week or more most die hards here had Russia taking the war to the west via proxy, no sooner mentioned, and the west activates their proxies, while the Axis of Resistance just had their hands tied in a ceasefire giving the Occupation Forces free reign to as they wish. No sooner signed a Lebanese Peacekeeping force, can you say UNIFIL, which in Lebanon is controlled by the Brits moves to the border. Oy vey, very bad mojo there people.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 29 2024 23:28 utc | 86
@NH | Nov 29 2024 22:35 utc | 79
Hm; I see video evidence of moderate opposition walking the streets of Aleppo without a care, weapons on full display. That part seems "reliable" enough. People who know this stuff better than me would caution that "in Aleppo" and "in control of Aleppo" are different things; so your point about waiting a couple days for a dust to settle is well taken.
Sure I see the Russian Air Force bombing jihadis here and there. So what, the whole fun of using these goons is that they are expendable. Anyway, I never said that Russia is MIA or a blanket statement like that. But, unless I have this wrong, isn't the idea of military intel that you spot an impending attack before it overruns a ton of your ally's positions? Didn't quite happen that way. Again, in a week or so both of us will know more.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 23:29 utc | 87
Trump sold america to the jews.
He did a deal.
With the devil.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 29 2024 23:40 utc | 88
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 23:29 utc | 87
Uh, can you help me out here? I’m struggling to find a place called Aleppo on a map of Ukraine.
Maybe it‘s just a function of machine translation, maybe I should be looking for Alepposkoye, or Alepposkovya, or...
At any rate, it doesn’t feature on any of Marat Khairullin’s maps, or the Ukrainian subcontractor DeepState maps.
Dunno...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 23:41 utc | 89
Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 22:51 utc | 82
Thread after thread, posts from you provide a wry small chortle.
Be advised. Your efforts are noted and appreciated.
~~~~
Yush-now-mulch must have been “something”.
The yt algorithm is feeding me pages of Russians and North Koreans dying and Ukraine triumphing.
I’ve done nothing to feed the algorithm in months. Lost interest in all the blather. Could never tolerate Mercouris verbosity … the Judge and his team have nothing new to say.
suddenly the yt algorithm is insistent I know about catastrophic Russian and North Korean losses.
Tells me Yushmush was very mushy.
~~~~
Trump’s Kellogg pick.
The U$ has zero good “pure” intel on what’s happening in Ukraine.
There’s too many factions and competing fiefdoms.
There’s the Nuland Kagan ISW Blinken Sullivan camp.
There’s the Pentagon
There’s the Britz
There’s NATO
There’s the academia- intel coalition of Michael McFaul, Kofman, Lee, CNA.
Not one is committed to genuine analysis of what’s happening in Ukraine.
All information is politicised and weaponised.
There’s absolutely no one to bring sound counsel to Trump.
And even if there were, Trump’s own instincts are contradictory.
He says he wants peace, to “make a deal”, but he defaults to U$ braggadocio and bullying.
Right now, they are partying hard and long at Trumps private fiefdom.
Right now, the team that’s ruled with Biden as an animated corpse, is plotting.
I doubt Team Mar-a-Lago is paying attention.
I saw Nosferatu (John Podesta) at the table when Biden met Xi at the G20….
Creeps like him adhere to administration after administration.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 30 2024 0:02 utc | 91
But, unless I have this wrong, isn't the idea of military intel that you spot an impending attack before it overruns a ton of your ally's positions? Didn't quite happen that way. Again, in a week or so both of us will know more.Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 29 2024 23:29 utc | 87
I love how you're trying to present the use of proxy Maerican pet terrorists invading from underneath a Tukish SEAD envelope as a position of strength. It seems rather the opposite. But then I cannot fathom supporting the murder of people on foreign countries so I can steal from them, or to perpetuate the value of a debated currency. I guess I'm just too human.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 30 2024 0:21 utc | 92
Debased of course, not debated. Like the thoughts of the one I quoted.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 30 2024 0:23 utc | 93
Trump sold america to the jews.
He did a deal.
With the devil.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 29 2024 23:40 utc | 88
You been asleep under the tree, Rip?
Hollywood, Media, Federal Reserve, Finance/Banking/New York, Washington, D.C. (the Owner was just over for a Glorious Visit). Long, long before the Donald.
Posted by: kupkee | Nov 30 2024 0:26 utc | 94
DS map update:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#6/49.4324126/32.0581055
Overall: Strong day with 38.7 kmsq taken, as compared to 17/day in OCT.
S to N:
1. 16.0 kmsq E of Urozhaine. (SE of Velyka Novasilka.)
2. 8.4 kmsq in and S of Rozdolne, including that town capture. (NE of Velyka Novasilka.) RFA presence (gray) is now near the main supply road for VN, along a broad front.
3. 4.9 kmsq SW of Uspenivka, which is further threatened.
4. 2.8 kmsq N of Illinka. Gray conversion in the pocket. More to come.
5. 0.5 kmsq in Kurakhove.
6. 1.9 kmsq E of and into Pushkine. Pokrovsk front.
7. 4.2 kmsq in and around Pustynka and Zhovte, including capture of both of those hamlets.
Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 30 2024 0:27 utc | 95
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The drinks are on me!!!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 30 2024 0:28 utc | 96
@Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 29 2024 23:41 utc | 89
>>Uh, can you help me out here? I’m struggling to find a place called Aleppo on a map of Ukraine.
In comment #75, I made a point which I stand by: there is a current of thought in Russia that they should play it slow, don't rock the boat with their partners, until the dawn of the Age of Aquarius on Jan 20. And then reality intrudes, and Russia gets unbalanced by coordinated actions in Ukraine (rather, in *Russia* but launched from Ukraine) and Aleppo. Oh and in the financial sphere as well. After all, even if Trump is serious about negotiations (especially if he is), he'd surely prefer to do it with a Kremlin that is smarting from the blows, practically begging to catch a break--Art of the Deal and all that.
Then someone reacted specifically to the Aleppo part and in replying to that indeed I got OT (as I had already noticed when looking for my own post in the wrong thread); sorry. Donbass place names are confusing enough as is--and getting more so now that increasing numbers of them are once more changing. :-)
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 30 2024 0:41 utc | 97
ZH has a posting up with the title
Zelenskyy Offers To End 'Hot Phase' Of War In Exchange For NATO Membership
quote
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says he's willing to end the "hot phase of the war" with Russia - including ceding captured territory - in exchange for NATO membership that includes Ukraine's internationally recognized borders."If we want to stop the hot phase of the war, we need to take under the Nato umbrella the territory of Ukraine that we have under our control," he told Sky News, adding "We need to do it fast. And then, on the occupied territory of Ukraine, Ukraine can get them back in a diplomatic way."
Zelenskyy said that a ceasefire was needed to "guarantee that [Russian President Vladimir] Putin will not come back" to take more Ukrainian territory," or that "he [Putin] will come back."
In short, to end the war, Zelenskyy wants the thing that started the war.
Too much cocaine, eh?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2024 1:06 utc | 98
Too much cocaine, eh?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2024 1:06 utc | 98
1.) It is interesting that he still seems to think NATO is going to save him.
2.) He has descended from making threats to bargaining to stanch the bleeding.
I never liked cocaine, nasty stuff.
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2024 1:28 utc | 99
Too much cocaine, eh?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2024 1:06 utc | 98
It must be reminiscent of the final scene in Scarface at this point. Maybe he'll shoot Yermak in a coke driven rage?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 30 2024 1:30 utc | 100
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