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November 24, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-282

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Posted by: Konami | Nov 26 2024 1:55 utc | 400
Trump’s imminent arrival and the collapse of the frontline will end the party, then the hangover begins. I’m reliably informed that a certain countries leader was in disbelief that Trump won, and that they are scrambling to formulate some sort of not-Kamala policies. Incredible to think these people have literally thousands of people advising them, yet they still get it wrong. Then again this countries governmental incompetence is legendary!

Posted by: Milites | Nov 26 2024 2:05 utc | 401

@ Milites | Nov 26 2024 1:59 utc | 401
i am not confident of his peace credentials to be frank..
simple answers are for simple people.. remember i qualified my post with this comment – it was a ‘simple breakdown’…

Posted by: james | Nov 26 2024 2:08 utc | 402

i think it is a huge stretch to think trump is going to walk away from ukraine… he gave shit to biden for doing this in afganistan..

Posted by: james | Nov 26 2024 2:10 utc | 403

Borell is selling Europeans a dead-end deli counter nob as a retail franchise opportunity again.
“We can no longer depend on USA to defend Europe! We must create our own army!
As part of the franchise deal, we will pay licensing fees to our suppliers (Raytheon?) and take direction from corporate marketing (ISW?). They’re our partners. They’ll help make our war franchise a success!
Don’t read too much into the fact that now we’ll double our spending on war like Obama and then Trump previously asked. We’ll spend more to spite Trump!”
I’m running out of sarc tags. Can I borrow one from the bar?

Posted by: I forgot | Nov 26 2024 2:18 utc | 404

Not “nob”. Should be “job”.

Posted by: I forgot | Nov 26 2024 2:19 utc | 405

@ Milites
If Starmer is far-left (let alone left), what are Galloway and Corbyn (not Corbinets) in your classification?

Posted by: burak | Nov 26 2024 2:20 utc | 406

* Corbynites

Posted by: burak | Nov 26 2024 2:24 utc | 407

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1980499/uk-france-in-talks-deploy
How the f**k did a personality such as Starmer ever enter politics? He’s like the polar opposite of a master manipulator such as Tony Blair. There are hermits or people in long term confinement who could manifest better sense. And then we have Macron as Mr. Popularity as well. It is hard not to feel some sympathy for whack a doodle types who react to these weirdly detached leaders by thinking that they are Reptile Aliens or controlled by some black magic from afar.
You could drag most any common person off the streets and put them in these decisive roles and have them react, “I wouldn’t do that, it’s arrogant to the point of being weird”. And they’d be right.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 26 2024 2:33 utc | 408

Posted by: james | Nov 26 2024 2:08 utc | 403
True, but the realm of complexity is often where people hide their lack of real understanding, or aids in their attempts at obfuscation. So, nothing wrong with simple, simplistic is the problem.
Posted by: james | Nov 26 2024 2:10 utc | 404
Apples to oranges comparison, Afghanistan was an overt deployment, Ukraine covert, with mainly financing and logistics support. He gave ‘shit’ to Biden because it was a clusterfuck from start to finish, there’s even a suggestion those responsible are held, shock-horror, accountable and be sent in front of a court-martial.
Posted by: burak | Nov 26 2024 2:20 utc | 407
They are all pinkish (to a lesser or greater degree) of authoritarians, who seek to impose their perfect world on people. G.K. Chesterton had it right about the worst tyrant not being evil, but thinking they are doing good. After all Sauron just wanted the world to be ordered!

Posted by: Milites | Nov 26 2024 2:37 utc | 409

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 26 2024 2:33 utc | 409
See my response to Tom Q Collins on the Week in review 2024-281, about the Starmoid.

Posted by: Milites | Nov 26 2024 2:41 utc | 410

@ Milites | Nov 26 2024 1:59 utc | 401
Why say Left and Right when you’re describing the behavior of specific parties? Those two camps of criminals pretend they represent a broad spectrum of people. But let’s not help them perpetuate that falsehood.

Posted by: I forgot | Nov 26 2024 2:44 utc | 411

https://youtu.be/REB-BAAe7_Q?si=r2SbJsQ0_p7qWedX
Borzzikman…

Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 26 2024 2:58 utc | 412

Ritter is of the opinion that Trump played the american people…No CHANGE in Ukraine, none!

Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 26 2024 3:20 utc | 413

Posted by: Anton Gerashchenko | Nov 25 2024 23:28 utc | 364
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Is this you?
https://x.com/gerashchenko_en

Anton Gerashchenko
@Gerashchenko_en
Ukrainian patriot. Advisor to Internal Affairs Minister (2021-2023).

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2024 3:26 utc | 414

Ritter is of the opinion that Trump played the american people…No CHANGE in Ukraine, none!
Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 26 2024 3:20 utc | 414
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No surprise.
MAGA was designed for the gullible.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2024 3:27 utc | 415

The tragedy is that Ritter voted for Trump and worked to get votes for him.
Electoral politics makes fools of everyone.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2024 3:29 utc | 416

i think it is a huge stretch to think trump is going to walk away from ukraine… he gave shit to biden for doing this in afganistan..
Posted by: james | Nov 26 2024 2:10 utc | 404
It goes deeper than that I think. I am losing confidence Trump will make the right moves initially because Trump follows the culture, he does not bend it.
To illustrate culture I’m going to look at music. Asbury Park NJ always had a vibrant and diverse music scene all through the ’20s through the 60’s. It kind of hit a peak with Bruce Springsteen. For the next 40 years every kid musician wore black jeans and played a Telecaster. The culture was moribound and the art dissipated to nothing.
How does this relate to foreign relations? Churchill, as the anti Neville Chamberlain (and the Bruce Springsteen of foreign relations), singlehandedly defeated Hitler, because he was not weak. Every western diplomat, given all their edjumication, can only see one pattern. Every opponent is Hiltler, or as post modernist educated see it unjust power, and it must be dealt with by neocon toughness (Black jeans and a Telecaster). Diplomacy is culturally a dead art.
Now, the best path would be leave the neocon path entirely and to learn a new style of music. They kind of liked Enter Sandman in Moscow once upon a time.

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 26 2024 3:40 utc | 417

They are all pinkish (to a lesser or greater degree) of authoritarians, who seek to impose their perfect world on people. G.K. Chesterton had it right about the worst tyrant not being evil, but thinking they are doing good. After all Sauron just wanted the world to be ordered!
Posted by: Milites | Nov 26 2024 2:37 utc | 410
Nice insight on evil.
Describing political debate positions as left or right is just so tiresome. I look debate positions as locations on a globe – North Pole is that aspirations of the US Declaration of independence and the south pole is Pyongyang.

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 26 2024 3:47 utc | 418

Posted by: james | Nov 25 2024 23:36 utc | 367
Actually it is good that someone of Anton’s status is commenting here. obviously he will have a biased perspective but i for one want to know what is actually going on in Russia and found his information interesting.
yes he should do Germany and of course Ukraine but it is nevertheless interesting. Putin et all have some problems to solve – possibly and i would be interested in knowledgeable replies

Posted by: watcher | Nov 26 2024 3:49 utc | 419

Sorry to exit the discourse after my long comment. I’d planned an early Thanksgiving dinner for tonight since we’re travelling on the holiday to take in Taj Majal’s sounds, and I’m the chef. What seems to be happening is an indication that the West finally listened to Putin and are taking his advice that they “think about it” just as we are except from a differing perspective. I still want to write a longer essay on the issue, but that’s not going to happen until tomorrow, which I’m sure will present new twists.
Lavrov gave another of his important addresses “at a meeting with participants of the Alexander Gorchakov Fund’s Dialogue in the Name of the Future programme.” It was almost entirely about NATO/Outlaw US Empire and its recent history and that of the current crises. I didn’t get the time to perform my usual translation work, For those able, I suggest reading a machine translation. I will provide his concluding paragraph which given the audience you’ll see efforts are still being made toward establishing peace:

Therefore, we would like to unobtrusively develop recommendations on how to form a security architecture open to all countries of the continent, with the involvement of officials (ministers, their deputies, heads of relevant agencies), academia, experts and scientists. This work will continue. We have set a goal to develop a Eurasian Charter for Diversity and Multipolarity.

Completely unmentioned is the problem posed by rogue nuclear armed nations that refuse to abide by Humanity’s laws who are almost at the point of saying: Do as we say or we’ll blow up the planet.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2024 4:04 utc | 420

Completely unmentioned is the problem posed by rogue nuclear armed nations that refuse to abide by Humanity’s laws who are almost at the point of saying: Do as we say or we’ll blow up the planet.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 26 2024 4:04 utc | 421
Nice turn of a phrase. From the mouths of the War Vampires.

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 26 2024 4:14 utc | 421

@ frithguild
nice bit of creative writing in your posts tonight..imaginative! i like that..
lets see what trump does when he gets in office.. my feeling is a lot of folks will be disappointed..

Posted by: james | Nov 26 2024 4:33 utc | 422

*** my feeling is a lot of folks will be disappointed..
Posted by: james | Nov 26 2024 4:33 utc | 423
Thanks Jimmy Boy!
Politics is just entertainment for the ugly. I’m just calling attention to the fact that Trump’s entertainment presence was not in a creative or innovative role. He was a genius at getting attention but, like his personality, he worked in an established form in a narrow niche. He is thus at risk for being pigeon holed by neocon War Vampires.

Posted by: frithguild | Nov 26 2024 5:07 utc | 423

https://youtu.be/xxxxxxx
Borzzikman: “Putin is preparing to launch an Oreshnik with a nuclear a warhead”.
Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 26 2024 2:58 utc | 413
Total fucking bullshit. Borzzikman. Pffft. How tf would he or anyone know what Putin is preparing to do. No official or unofficial or even suggestive Kremlin statements have hinted at this. As if Putin would let out such plans. Pure speculative grifting. How can you watch such confected shit. Stop posting such fucking nonsense here.

Posted by: Wtf | Nov 26 2024 5:08 utc | 424

Borzzikman: “Putin is preparing to launch an Oreshnik with a nuclear a warhead”.@413
COMPLETE BOLLOX!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 26 2024 5:19 utc | 425

Posted by: Anton Gerashchenko | Nov 25 2024 23:28 utc | 364
######
Is this you?
https://x.com/gerashchenko_en
Anton Gerashchenko
@Gerashchenko_en
Ukrainian patriot. Advisor to Internal Affairs Minister (2021-2023).
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2024 3:26 utc | 415
If it is then we should feel honored, we are used to much lower grade trolls , wonder what happened to the lower ranked guys?
Stormtroopers battalion ? Good, good, first door on the left , one gun each .
Now seriously … (just kidding it is serious from the start) would a guy like that be posting something so low grade, as some have made clear, an equivalent list for Germany would be endless, even the states have enough to make that one poor (intel and Boeing just top of mind )
Maybe I should ask him how many days , not months, till they hit the 3 million permanent casualties and how soon after that he hears a knock on the door and it’s his turn for the first door on the left.
Maybe I should, but let us be polite and welcome whoever he is and whoever he wants to pretend to be.
If he happens to read all replies and is ho he claims he is, it will be fun when he tries to correct sun of Alabama

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 26 2024 5:27 utc | 426

Is the talk of direct troop injection by UK and France out of fear of loosing Odessa?

Posted by: Michael J | Nov 26 2024 5:27 utc | 427

Is the talk of direct troop injection by UK and France out of fear of loosing Odessa?
Posted by: Michael J | Nov 26 2024 5:27 utc | 428
Ask Anton, he should still have some friends at the SBU 😀
Now excuse me, I’m waiting for galant to drop by at the Palestine thread

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 26 2024 5:35 utc | 428

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 26 2024 5:35 utc | 429
You better watch what you say or Anton might put you on Myrotvorets…

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 26 2024 5:40 utc | 429

Judge Nap: Pepe Escobar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGEaL6EOaE
“Captain America’s [Dangerous] Delusions.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 26 2024 5:44 utc | 430

You better watch what you say or Anton might put you on Myrotvorets…
Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 26 2024 5:40 utc | 430
Sounds a lot like MOA but without the trolls 🙂

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 26 2024 5:45 utc | 431

Judge Nap’s interview with Ritter today. Is a must-listen, IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1mCWo9_hCU
Trump fans beware, you won’t like the part where they play audio from Trump’s nominated people (those not requiring confirmation).
As an accelerationist, I couldn’t ask for more.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2024 6:01 utc | 432

Taking Odessa is the knockout blow to the west,cascading effect felt globally. Also the beginning of the end of empire

Posted by: Michael J | Nov 26 2024 6:11 utc | 433

413, 425, 426 — Alistair Crooke on Judge Nap today explains that Putin now has escalation dominance with the hypersonic ballistic missile Oreshnik without having to revert to the nuclear option.

Posted by: Lavieja | Nov 26 2024 6:28 utc | 434

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2024 3:29 utc | 417
And he is old enough to remember Nixon pulling the exact same thing and did not see it.

Posted by: Badjoke | Nov 26 2024 6:38 utc | 435

Underground weapons factories being made by Germany in Ukraine will be destroyed by Oreshnik missiles within several days.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Nov 26 2024 6:46 utc | 436

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 26 2024 5:27 utc | 427
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I will never be honored or impressed by a bureaucrat.
I have self respect.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2024 6:57 utc | 437

Besides, Ukrainian bureaucrats are all crooks.
“Patriot” from a Nazi country that has demographically destroyed itself for BlackRock. LOL

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2024 7:02 utc | 438

‼️ Bankruptcies, losses, and optimization of the largest and most important enterprises and banks are happening in Russia.

Posted by: Anton Gerashchenko | Nov 25 2024 23:28 utc | 364

LOL!
Anton Gerashchenko: Current official advisor and a former deputy minister at the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs.
you forgot the “winky” emojis and the “sarcasm” marker! 🤣

Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 26 2024 7:24 utc | 439

Underground weapons factories being made by Germany in Ukraine will be destroyed by Oreshnik missiles within several days.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Nov 26 2024 6:46 utc | 437
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Do you mean that the Germans are building their promised weapons factories underground or have to build them?
Why…
If these are destroyed by the Russians, the German taxpayer will pay for the financial loss according to the German government’s decision. Reinmetall and & can’t sleep from laughing but they can on the stock market.
Construction workers are mostly Poles with exorbitant hourly wages of €35 and up…this is included in the bill in the event of damage (Kinzal etc.). Yes, that’s how the German taxpayers and the government are praised, who would come up with the idea of ​​building up a new weapons production facility in the catchment area of ​​Kinzal and &…the stupid Germans really do it to shine internationally.
The world is laughing, Reinmetall is laughing, Sylenski is laughing, and the special thing is…the Germans who themselves have NO materials (raw materials) for their tank ammunition etc. are bringing the leftovers with them. Or are buying them expensively on the world market because Germany’s industry can no longer produce anything for weapons and &
Feedback geben

Posted by: ossii | Nov 26 2024 7:24 utc | 440

@HERMIUS | Nov 26 2024 5:19 utc | 426
Borzik had interesting videos in the past. I think it was sometime this year when he completely changed to copy the worst thing: the retarded Ukro propaganda videos. Even the thumbnails are in the same style.

Posted by: rk | Nov 26 2024 7:27 utc | 441

@frithguild | Nov 26 2024 3:47 utc | 419

I look debate positions as locations on a globe – North Pole is that aspirations of the US Declaration of independence and the south pole is Pyongyang.

In that model Pyongyang is the one representing independence.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 26 2024 7:33 utc | 442

Learn a lesson from the banderites in ukraine, encoaraged and funded by the western warmonger’s to be violent zenathobic. exclusive and violent toward Russian language speakers, armed by the west, and sent to their death, on mass.
This is what we will now see in england,
(Reform Party, Farage)
This is what we will see in america, armend funded and frustraited trump supporters given an external enemy to use as a scapegoat.
This is what we witness right now in most of Euroupe.
Dont make the same mistake as the banderites, it’s a cristal clear comparison.
Dont die a rich mans fool or tool.
They are ‘right eing fascists.
They punch downward not upward.
Trumps actions already show that.
Starmer too.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 26 2024 7:33 utc | 443

@Karlof1. 316
In the yearly report to Putin of the Russian fédéral médical and biological agency of which you provide the web link, there is the mention of a huge breakthrough regarding so-called « ARN vaccines »; the Agency Head claims that its Agency was able to create a platform in order -among other things, including cancer – to produce ARN(m) Covid 19 vaccines without the adverse effects triggered by Moderna and BioTech-Pfizer produits.
First time I hear about this research area

Posted by: Dany | Nov 26 2024 7:35 utc | 444

Analyse RT
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On November 21, 2024, a new chapter in the history of Russian military strategy was opened. On this day, the Russian Federation deployed its Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) in a real combat mission for the first time. This move marks a historic escalation and puts the strategic importance of this special unit, known as the “Troops of the Apocalypse” since its formation in the Soviet Union, in the spotlight.
The RVSN, are a separate branch of the Russian Armed Forces, responsible for the intercontinental missile arsenal. These “Soldiers of the Apocalypse” are equipped with firepower theoretically capable of causing a global catastrophe. They were on high alert on several occasions during the Cold War, particularly during crises such as the Cuban Missile Crisis and the RYAN/Able Archer crisis in the fall of 1983. Until this November day in 2024, the RVSN had never been used in a real combat mission.
The context of the use of the “Oreshnik” (Hazelnut)
The Ukraine conflict had developed in the months before into one of the most dangerous security crises in modern history. The western Ukrainian side repeatedly ignored Russian warnings to stop long-range attacks on undisputed Russian territory such as Bryansk and Kursk. Provocations by NATO, which acted as Ukraine’s main backer, helped to further escalate tensions. In view of these developments, Moscow decided to use one of its most powerful weapons – but initially in a non-nuclear form.
The target of the attack was a huge Ukrainian arms factory in Dnipro (Dnepropetrovsk), where missiles had been manufactured since Soviet times, continuously until last week. The weapon used was the newly developed Russian hypersonic missile, codenamed “Oreshnik”. This missile had previously only been tested theoretically and has now proven to be extremely effective in a real combat scenario. In the final phase of the unpredictable trajectory, up to 36 warheads separate from the carrier rocket, which in turn head for their own targets independently of one another with their own rocket propulsion. The destructive power of the respective warheads is multiplied by the kinetic energy of the extremely high impact speed. Apparently, the “Oreshnik” had the effect of a small tactical nuclear weapon on the large and widely dispersed area of ​​the Ukrainian arms company, despite its only conventional armament.
With its impressive speed and destructive precision, the “Oreshnik” has also caused a stir as a conventional weapon in the previously blind and deaf government levels of the European NATO countries. The western warmongers must now reckon with the fact that these missiles with a range of 6000 km can reach any place in Western Europe – whether conventional or nuclear – in the shortest possible time using hypersonic technology, and at the same time there are no western weapons that can stop the “Oreshniks”.
From the Russian perspective, the use of the Oreshnik had two main goals. First, it served as a test to confirm the efficiency of this new technology under real conditions. Second, it was a “final warning” to Ukraine and its Western backers. Moscow wanted to demonstrate that it had the means and the will to respond adequately to the escalations, but without immediately resorting to the use of nuclear weapons.
The message to NATO was unmistakable: there is no existing military technology that could stop Russia’s intercontinental missiles. If nuclear options were chosen, the targets would certainly be hit – regardless of the Atlantic Alliance’s defense measures.
For Ukraine, the warning was even more direct. The attack was intended to make it clear that no one would protect the Kiev regime from the consequences of its actions. Washington, which had allegedly been warned by Moscow 30 minutes before the Oreshnik was launched that it was not a nuclear-armed missile, chose inaction.
Despite having thousands of experts trained to respond to nuclear crises, the US government did not take countermeasures. This reluctance may indicate fear of further escalation or the belief that the target would only be Ukrainian territory.
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Strategic and political implications
The US decision not to respond has also sent a clear message to Kyiv: Russia will not shy away from retaliation against Ukraine, and in the event of a nuclear attack, Ukraine would have to bear the consequences alone. This stance also raises questions about NATO’s collective defense strategy. If a member or close ally such as Ukraine is not protected by direct support, doubts about the unity and reliability of the alliance could arise.
Orbán warns: What Putin says is not just nonsense, but should be taken at face value
Orbán warns: What Putin says is not just nonsense, but should be taken at face value
However, on Monday, November 25, just days after the Oreshnik was used, the New York Times (NYT) reported that some of the neoconservative puppet masters in the White House have not learned anything. According to the NYT, several administration officials have even suggested that US President Biden has allegedly considered “giving nuclear weapons to Ukraine. That would be an immediate and enormous deterrent” against further Russian attacks, the officials said. These people are citing a senile president who can no longer even find his way to the bathroom on his own.
The situation in Washington is outrageous, because with the threat of nuclear war, no one knows who in the White House is supposedly making decisions on Biden’s behalf. Even the NYT, which has always advocated “Ukraine-above-all,” finds this uneasy, writing: “Such a step (nuclear weapons to Ukraine) would be complicated and would have serious consequences.”
Former Ukrainian Defense Minister and Zelensky advisor Andriy Zagorodnyuk, already known to RT-DE readers, is also drumming up support in the NYT for more firepower for Ukraine, because Ukraine and its allies must first reverse the dynamics on the front in order to create the conditions for talks on a successful ceasefire. At the same time, he called on the West to provide a sufficient arsenal of weapons with a longer range to cause immediate damage in Russia if the Kremlin resumes hostilities.
Obviously, many warmongers still have not understood and “Oreshnik” still has to teach more lessons. However, these seem to have already reached the mainstream in parts of the so-called “quality media”. We see that there are now increasing calls for diplomatic peace efforts and talks with the Russians, something that would have resulted in a shitstorm just a few days ago.
Russian military: Oreshnik can hit targets across Europe without hindrance
Russian military: Oreshnik can hit targets across Europe without hindrance
Conclusion
The deployment of the Oreshnik missile and the involvement of the Strategic Missile Forces in the Ukraine conflict demonstrate Moscow’s determination to defend its strategic interests while attempting to avoid nuclear escalation. November 21, 2024 will undoubtedly go down as a turning point in Russian military history. By deploying the RVSN in an active military operation, Russia set a precedent that could redefine the dynamics of modern conflicts. The decision to rely on conventional missiles initially demonstrates the Kremlin’s strategy: demonstrate strength without immediately risking the worst consequences of a nuclear conflict. But the deployment of this “final warning” also underscores the potentially catastrophic consequences should diplomatic efforts fail.
The future of the conflict in Ukraine remains uncertain. Decision-makers in Kyiv would do well to remember the motto of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces (RSF): “After us – silence.” This motto is a reminder of the devastating power these troops could unleash. These events underscore how fragile global security has become. The coming weeks and months will show whether it is possible to correct this dangerous course and create a basis for negotiations and long-term peace.

Posted by: ossii | Nov 26 2024 7:41 utc | 445

My previous post “RT Analysis” may be related to this report on German TV (Welt & NTV)
Sylenski is threatening Russia because of the attack on the missile plant.
He is threatening new attacks, with newer weapons.
Whatever that will be.
But one thing is certain: HE will continue to provoke at ANY cost… and he can only do that with civilian targets.
But let’s wait and see

Posted by: ossii | Nov 26 2024 7:51 utc | 446

Sylenski is threatening Russia because of the attack on the missile plant.
He is threatening new attacks, with newer weapons.
Whatever that will be.
But one thing is certain: HE will continue to provoke at ANY cost… and he can only do that with civilian targets.
But let’s wait and see
Posted by: ossii | Nov 26 2024 7:51 utc | 447
Thanks for this short but strong analysis.
I agree 100 %.
There is not threshold for Ukrainians, no limit of western actions.
To drop nuclear bomb on Moscow, that is their dream.

Posted by: salmon | Nov 26 2024 8:15 utc | 447

Incredible, every time a left-wing government show they are incompetent the ideologues rush in to say they aren’t really left wing. So, a budget that targets pensioners, private schools and farmers, (traditional conservative supporting) whilst lavishing money on public sector workers and foreign aid (both traditional left-wing causes) wastes billions on Green energy, injects DEI into more public areas, is NOT left-wing?
Don’t tell me, it’s right-wing, and a product of evil conservative forces. In the end childish avoidance strategies are useless, the common perception in the UK is Sir Starmlin is a lefty, running a lefty government, whatever the wannabe PPE students on this forum like to think, to protect their world-view. The petition to have another election is close 2.5 million signatures in two days, last one about Europe reached 6 million, but it took 6 months.
Posted by: Milites | Nov 25 2024 23:07 utc | 358

Milites,
As others have said here, Keir and his government are fully neo-liberal with regards to economics. The Labour party has been purged of all those elements that could be considered left, or at least more left than that what remains of Labour. If they inject a little more money into the public sector, that alone does not make them “left”, or “far-left”. It makes them merely slightly more “left”(ish) than the Conservatives.
The same here in Germany. Just because the SPD injects a little more money into social security and unemployment benefits than the CDU, it does not make them “left”, but only slightly to the left of CDU. Hell, the SPD under Schröder actually made things worse for the unemployed. (Hartz IV). But like for Trumpists in the USA who think the Dems are communists, the AfD fans here in Germany think everyone to the left of them are leftists and the Perussuomalaiset in Finland think everyone to their left is a leftist. These terms have, as others have said, completely lost their meanings today.

Posted by: jure | Nov 26 2024 8:25 utc | 448

@LoveDonbass | Nov 26 2024 6:01 utc | 433

Judge Nap’s interview with Ritter today. Is a must-listen, IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1mCWo9_hCU

I am sometimes critical of Scott Ritter, but I agree this is something you must listen to. Then read the comments on youtube. Every comment goes like this:
Russia is not our enemy. Greetings from [ insert country ].
And it is true, Russia is not our enemy. Our enemies are the insane ‘leaders’ in power in the west, they must simply be removed.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 26 2024 8:41 utc | 449

It seems that Ukraine again managed to fire long range missiles into Russia and hit a S400 system.
The west really wants to force Russia to use nuclear weapons before 20.01.2025.

Posted by: salmon | Nov 26 2024 8:49 utc | 450

@Johan Kaspar | Nov 25 2024 14:46 utc | 224

Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 25 2024 7:53 utc | 173
missile research money has been going into bio-weapons research, and there is very little to laugh about, given advances in genetic engineering, CRISPR, and a proven inhumanity with regard to causing “excess statistics”.

I don’t believe it is feasible to create ethnic-specific bioweapons, regardless of biotechnological sophistication, bacause we’re just too similar at this point in human speciation.

All humans are very similar: admitted.
But what if some humans were genetically tagged? Say, by something marketed as a Covid “vaccine”?
We know that all Covid vaccines were/are not created equal:
https://principia-scientific.com/how-bad-is-my-covid-vaccine-batch/
So admit that some humans have been geo-tagged by a marker.
If you know how “gene-silencing” works, then round 2 (upcoming bio-weapon release) could be designed to passover those appropriately marked.
Granted this is all experimental stuff, so for now assume “excess mortality” was unfortunate “collateral damage”.
Dutch Health Minister recently spilled the beans: Operation Lock-Step for covid response was a NATO operation.
https://www.sott.net/article/496064-Dutch-Health-Minister-Defends-Governments-Covid-Measures-We-Were-Bound-by-NATO-Obligations
What makes you so certain that that particular NATO operation has run to completion?

What if the next one has extreme lethality? They’ve already floated that 7/8 of humanity needs to just “go”… for a more “sustainable” world fleet of private jets.

Let me clarify one thing: elites need large populations of consumers, followers, voters, administrators and workers. Elites are sitting on top of an inmense hierarchy. Elites don’t want a reduction in population. Period.

I’m sorry, but your ignorance at this point is laughable, just ask Yuval Noah Harari, or better yet, ask the Palestinians how that’s working out for them. THEY don’t need 8 billion humans, and they’ve been becoming increasingly vocal about it.
The 1% club are betting on AI, robotics, automated factories. Yes you will need some technicians still, and enough people to avoid a genetic population bottle-neck. They keep tossing around numbers between 500M and 1G for “their” ideal world population.

I read it [Lance’s argument] as: they are prodding Russia for response, as “justification” for something just awful.

The logic is faulty. If you have something big to throw at your enemy you don’t escalate timid bit by timid bit as Lance’s correctly describe the West has been doing to counter Russia in the Ukraines. The West is known for shock and awe against its enemies when it has the power to do that. Escalating timid bit by timid bit is the strategy of the fearful, of the careful, of those that hope a small escalation will suffice eventually.

shock and awe were 17000 sanctions against Russia. That was supposed to turn the “Ruble to Rubble”. Slow escalation after that was “just give the sanctions time to work”. “Anton Gerashchenko” himself (?) chimed in on MoA tonight to assert that FINALLY the sanctions were having an effect. Hallelujah! or LOL!
Then too, the goal was never for the Ukraine to win — the goal was for Slavs to die, for the Ukraine to be depopulated, and for Russia to be broken into manageable pieces. Hence, all weapons escalations to the Ukraine have been consistently a day late, and a dollar short. But if Russia were to win (survive), that will demand the bio-weapon escalation that I fear.

Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 26 2024 8:54 utc | 451

Posted by: jure | Nov 26 2024 8:25 utc | 449
Never waste your time with a liberal who lost a fight with their cat.

Posted by: Badjoke | Nov 26 2024 8:56 utc | 452

“Russia set a precedent that could redefine the dynamics of modern conflicts. The decision to rely on conventional missiles initially demonstrates the Kremlin’s strategy: demonstrate strength without immediately risking the worst consequences of a nuclear conflict”
Posted by: ossii | Nov 26 2024 7:41 utc | 446
RT weed smokers should focus more on what the others can do, not on a sad movie script. Not even old Soviet weapons were used against Nato’s happy men in Ukr, unless they were dancing in Donbass or Kursk, the only place where smo happens. Kremlin can try “demonstrate strength” all day long, they’ve already failed, no one cares. “Kremlin’s strategy” is completely irrelevant when they’ve already seen Nato couldn’t care less about the 6k nukes, which is more than rest of the world combined. Oreshnik, exactly like Kinzhal, does not change anything for smo. Unless it’s used against useful targets at least in Ukr if not somewhere else. But it’s not used even against Ukr, so who cares? They don’t even sell weapons outside Nato, to protect Nato from any harm, even from a third party. Is there any S400, any Mig outside Nato?

Posted by: rk | Nov 26 2024 9:20 utc | 453

Midget Vlad & his “red lines” are a joke!
More Storm Shadows headed up Russia’s azz soon!
Posted by: StormShadow_88 | Nov 24 2024 15:25 utc | 2
Who is “Vlad”?

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Nov 26 2024 9:31 utc | 454

Not even old Soviet weapons were used against Nato’s happy men in Ukr, unless they were dancing in Donbass or Kursk, the only place where smo happens (…) Unless it’s used against useful targets at least in Ukr if not somewhere else. But it’s not used even against Ukr (…)
Posted by: rk | Nov 26 2024 9:20 utc | 454
You should stop smoking too, it corrupts your memory or did you happen to memoryhole strikes on training centers and airports that have been happening since the start of the SMO in western ukraine on purpose?

Posted by: 5thcolumn | Nov 26 2024 9:44 utc | 455

Posted by: rk | Nov 26 2024 9:20 utc | 454
if only the hms defender didnt flee, they couldve taken crimea by now.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 26 2024 10:37 utc | 456

Describing the very pro-big business and system-friendly Starmer as far left is probably a far right perspective. Nobody left of say, Oswald Mosley would think Starmer is far left.

Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 26 2024 10:49 utc | 457

https://vz.ru/news/2024/11/26/1299964.html
Vzglyad online newspaper reporting that the “British mercenary” Anderson has been imprisoned under guard in Kursk. Personally I would move him to Moscow, to make rescue attempts less likely. I hope he does not benefit from some quick exchange which might just allow him to go back into service with Kiev, as has happened in other cases.

Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 26 2024 10:58 utc | 458

osted by: Waldorf | Nov 26 2024 10:49 utc | 458
I think Oswald Mosely was to the left of Starmer, at least initially. He was recall originally a Labor man. Sure an upper class elite one but generally to the left.

Posted by: watcher | Nov 26 2024 11:00 utc | 459

This guy knows what’s coming down the line – even with Trump in office – striking Nato/European military bases in Europe might be a foregone conclusion.
“Washington’s authorization for Kiev to carry out attacks on internationally recognized Russian territory using Western-supplied long-range weapons will inevitably lead to an escalation of the conflict, the head of Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB), Aleksandr Bortnikov, has warned.
Moscow must be prepared for any provocations from Washington, London, and their allies, the FSB chief said, specifically noting that US President Joe Biden and his team were likely to aggravate the situation in the key global regions as much as possible before leaving office in January.
He also expressed doubt that the incoming Trump administration would take a drastically different course, stating that “it is unlikely that the election of a new US president will lead to a fundamental change in Washington’s foreign policy.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 26 2024 11:01 utc | 460

But like for Trumpists in the USA who think the Dems are communists, the AfD fans here in Germany think everyone to the left of them are leftists and the Perussuomalaiset in Finland think everyone to their left is a leftist. These terms have, as others have said, completely lost their meanings today.
Posted by: jure | Nov 26 2024 8:25 utc | 449

Be thankful at least that the individual to whom you wrote the above reply did not trot out the line about the NSAPD being ‘left wing’ or socialist’ because it had ‘socialist’ and ‘worker’ in its title.
There is a long history of deliberate efforts to sow confusion about this.
On a related note, given that the name of this site is a reference to Bertolt Brecht, one really has to wonder what many individuals are doing here.

Posted by: Lengai | Nov 26 2024 11:14 utc | 461

460 – Originally a Tory, disappointed by the outcome of the First World War he was in Labour, then set up a “New Party” that went nowhere but showed some fascist characteristics. After that he established the BUF, his most famous or notorious political home.
Mussolini of course started off as a Socialist, but supported Italian participation in WW1, which led to a break. He was apparently in receipt of money from Britain.

Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 26 2024 11:16 utc | 462

Scotland and Russia have history – so this shouldn’t be a surprise.
“A former Tennent’s Brewery worker has been unmasked as the second Scots mercenary fighting for Vladimir Putin in Ukraine.
Jay Fraser, from Dunblane, Stirlingshire has told how he cut ties with family to join Russian forces on the frontline in Eastern Europe.”
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ex-tennents-worker-unmasked-scots-34179883

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 26 2024 11:25 utc | 463

https://t.me/fighter_bomber/18913

The world situation is such that we can state that this world has completely fucked up.
And calling for the strength of our leaders’ balls, for some reason we miss the point that our enemies demand the same from their leaders.
I don’t remember when in one week the planet changed its nuclear doctrine, smashed another country with an intercontinental ballistic missile, called for a preemptive strike on a country with the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons on the planet and threatened a tribunal to the current president of the country, warning him against transferring nuclear weapons to a proxy country.
It is impossible to say what will happen next, because apparently it is impossible to reach an agreement. And when it is impossible to reach an agreement, millions die.
Well, since this is the case, as always, I am against a nuclear war with both hands and feet, but at the slightest suspicion of the presence of nuclear weapons in/on Ukraine in any form and execution, a nuclear strike should be carried out, not a demonstrative one, but one that excludes the use of these weapons against our country in the near future.
Giving some kind of response when some Russian city burned down in a nuclear fire is stupid. We need to strike first, because it is unlikely that the hohols will be given one munition.
And what kind of relations will there be with the world community afterwards, what will they call us there – I don’t give a damn. The lives of our citizens must come first.
The same with your NATO. At the slightest suspicion of preparation for a strike on our country, hit with all the money, with everything you have.
Because they will try to strike in such a way that we will have nothing to respond with.
Have a good day everyone!😘

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 26 2024 11:30 utc | 464

I think Oswald Mosely was to the left of Starmer, at least initially. He was recall originally a Labor man. Sure an upper class elite one but generally to the left.
Posted by: watcher | Nov 26 2024 11:00 utc | 460

So what? Before he became a blackshirted tool of the capitalist oligarchy, Mussolini started out as a member of the PSI, which was the Italian party affiliated with the Second International. If only PCI partisans could have hoisted him up a lamppost on a rope twice – once for being a turncoat and the second time for being a fascist..

Posted by: Lengai | Nov 26 2024 11:30 utc | 465

Why would anyone try to “rescue” a British merc who is a complete nobody?

Posted by: Catilina | Nov 26 2024 11:30 utc | 466

Waldorf | Nov 26 2024 10:58 utc | 459
*** Vzglyad online newspaper reporting that the “British mercenary” Anderson has been imprisoned under guard in Kursk. Personally I would move him to Moscow, to make rescue attempts less likely. I hope he does not benefit from some quick exchange which might just allow him to go back into service with Kiev, as has happened in other cases. ***
The alleged mercenary — complete with somewhat unlikely background story and accent — seems very fake. He ought to be moved to a more secure location than Moscow for destruction testing.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 26 2024 11:36 utc | 467

james @404: “i think it is a huge stretch to think trump is going to walk away from ukraine… he gave shit to biden for doing this in afganistan..”
You’re not reading that accurately. Trump is the one who gave the order and set the deadline to exit Afghanistan. Unlike in Syria, where the military wanted to stay and so dragged their feet and manufactured excuses, the military wanted out of Afghanistan real bad, and so they made sure to be out by the deadline. That deadline fell during Biden’s watch, but Biden was already a vegetable by that time and wasn’t paying attention. The individuals running the Executive in Biden’s place are people of modest intelligence, to put it kindly, and they are all focused on their own narrow agendas. They never bothered to check up on what the military was doing at the moment in Afghanistan, and they thought that like in Syria, the military wasn’t going anywhere. In any case, it is standard procedure in the Deep State to say they are doing one thing that matches public expectations, while doing anther thing that serves Imperial interests. Since Imperial interests were confused in Afghanistan, the Deep State tripped over their their own systemic confabulation, thinking that when the military said “Yeah, we’re getting out of that place”, they really meant they were staying, as in Syria. So when the deadline to leave came, the military was gone and the civilian spooks and shit-stirrers from the Establishment were left naked in Kabul screaming “OMGWTF!!! What do we do now?”
That clusterfuck was 100% on the Biden Administration for being “situationally oblivious” and dropping the ball. It was a massive screw-up arising from blind stupidity and stunningly incompetent negligence, and it deserves criticism and ridicule. Trump is right to use that shocking buffoonery to score political points. That doesn’t mean Trump changed his mind about getting out of Afghanistan, or Syria, for that matter.
Do keep in mind that Trump was trying to pilot a “ship of state” that was resisting, sandbagging, and sabotaging his every command and directive. Who’d `ave thunk the Pentagon would go full in on the order to get out of Afghanistan? It should have been obvious to anyone in the government who was paying attention because the military cannot make big moves without anyone knowing about it, but who was paying attention?

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 26 2024 11:36 utc | 468

Caracal, Aegis Ashore, might get lucky and avoid a visit.
Highly dependent on Romanian election results.
Slight possibility of non NATO/EU lackey election.

Posted by: necromancer | Nov 26 2024 11:37 utc | 469

Caracal, Aegis Ashore, might get lucky and avoid a visit.
Highly dependent on Romanian election results.
Slight possibility of non NATO/EU lackey election.
Posted by: necromancer | Nov 26 2024 11:37 utc | 470
At the current rate of escalation, they’ll need hell of a luck.
https://t.me/belarusian_silovik/45104

NATO called for providing Ukraine with medium-range missiles from 1,000 to 5,500 km. The Alliance adopted a resolution that provides for the possibility of transferring medium-range missiles to Ukraine.

Posted by: 5thcolumn | Nov 26 2024 11:45 utc | 470

NATO called for providing Ukraine
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Nov 26 2024 11:45 utc | 471

As if Brussels isn’t a soft target.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 26 2024 11:54 utc | 471

Describing the very pro-big business and system-friendly Starmer as far left is probably a far right perspective. Nobody left of say, Oswald Mosley would think Starmer is far left.
Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 26 2024 10:49 utc | 458

Exactly.
Incidentally, I had missed your post about Mussolini when I wrote mine. Interesting information you provided about him being funded by the British. Churchill was certainly a fan of his.

Posted by: Lengai | Nov 26 2024 12:00 utc | 472

Waldorf | Nov 26 2024 11:16 utc | 46
*** .. he [Mosley] was in Labour, then set up a “New Party” that went nowhere but showed some fascist characteristics. After that he established the BUF ***
The “New Party” was violently attacked by Labour Party heavies, which made it unviable.
Mosley originally changed parties partly in protest against the UK government’s actions in Ireland.
He had subsequently given up on Labour — of which if he was dishonest enough he might well have become leader — because it was even then a heap of rhetorically-disguised Establishment shit … as it, especially Snowden its bankerite-arselick Chancellor, proved beyond doubt during the Depression.
So however bad Mosley was, that paled to relative insignificance compared to Churchill, the Liberals or the so-called Labour Party. Constant demonisation of him has conveniently served to deflect attention from just how rotten these other politicians were.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 26 2024 12:00 utc | 473

Sorry — my last post was a response to post number 463, not 46.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 26 2024 12:04 utc | 474

Posted by: Lengai | Nov 26 2024 11:14 utc | 462
“Be thankful at least that the individual to whom you wrote the above reply did not trot out the line about the NSAPD being ‘left wing’ or socialist’ because it had ‘socialist’ and ‘worker’ in its title.
There is a long history of deliberate efforts to sow confusion about this.”
It is Mr Lengai who is confused here.
The NSDAP was a socialist party, simply not of the Marxist internationalist flavour. It was a national socialist party, precisely like the name suggests.

Posted by: Jan Sobieski | Nov 26 2024 12:05 utc | 475

The NSDAP was a socialist party
Posted by: Jan Sobieski | Nov 26 2024 12:05 utc | 476

Sure. Where Socialism can be interpreted as partnering with industry as in Fascism.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 26 2024 12:18 utc | 476

re: too scents | Nov 26 2024 12:18 utc | 477
Better stated as “partnering with the ownership of industry”.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 26 2024 12:20 utc | 477

Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 26 2024 8:54 utc | 452

But what if some humans were genetically tagged? Say, by something marketed as a Covid “vaccine”?

Tinfoil hat territory but note that Russians did not receive Western RNA substances.

I’m sorry, but your ignorance at this point is laughable, just ask Yuval Noah Harari, or better yet, ask the Palestinians how that’s working out for them. THEY don’t need 8 billion humans, and they’ve been becoming increasingly vocal about it.

Yeah okay, lol!

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 26 2024 12:30 utc | 478

Churchill in WW2 lamented “the trouble with our British lads is that they’re not natural killers”
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 25 2024 20:32 utc | 327

The US has fixed that issue.
US troops are unthinking killers infused by their exceptionality and self perceived heroism warring against a world full of subhumans, ragheads, …
Fall out is e exposing “effective military killing” as unsuitable for solving problems. Hammer in hand ..

Posted by: MAKK | Nov 26 2024 13:03 utc | 479

Be thankful at least that the individual to whom you wrote the above reply did not trot out the line about the NSAPD being ‘left wing’ or socialist’ because it had ‘socialist’ and ‘worker’ in its title.
There is a long history of deliberate efforts to sow confusion about this.
Posted by: Lengai | Nov 26 2024 11:14 utc | 462
_______
In all fairness, the early NSDAP did have a minority wing with socialist tendencies. This wing had to be eliminated, of course, in order to cement the Party’s relationship with the industrialists, which in turn was necessary to prepare the Reich for war.
That wing was headed by a certain Ernst Röhm. It was for that reason, and not because of his sexual behavior (which Hitler had known about for at least a decade), that he was the primary target of the Night of the Long Knives.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 26 2024 13:07 utc | 480

https://t.me/mod_russia/46206

According to confirmed data, over the past three days, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have carried out two strikes with long-range Western weapons on targets in the Kursk region.
Thus, on November 23, the enemy launched a strike with five American-made ATACMS operational-tactical missiles in the area of ​​the settlement of Lotaryovka (37 km northwest of Kursk) on the position of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile division.
During the anti-missile battle, the combat crew of the Pantsir air defense missile and gun system, which was providing cover for this division, destroyed three ATACMS missiles, and two reached their target.
As a result of the strike, the radar was damaged. There are casualties among the personnel.
On November 25, 2024, the Kiev regime launched another strike with eight ATACMS operational-tactical missiles on the Kursk-Vostochny airfield (settlement of Khalino). Seven missiles were shot down by combat crews of the S-400 air defense missile system and the Pantsir air defense missile and gun system, one reached its target. As a result of falling missile fragments, two servicemen were slightly injured, and infrastructure facilities were slightly damaged.
During the inspection of the places subjected to attacks, it was reliably confirmed that the Ukrainian Armed Forces carried out strikes with American-made ATACMS operational-tactical missiles.
The Russian Ministry of Defense is monitoring the situation, and response actions are being prepared.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 26 2024 13:16 utc | 481

Posted by: Wtf | Nov 26 2024 5:08 utc | 425
This is absolutely not nonsense…One should not only watch/listen to Putin’s statements in the National Security Council, but also what other members have to say…And Sergei Viktorovich Karakayev has given clear indications of what will happen if the provocations do not stop.
And Borzzikman’s statements have surprisingly often turned out to be correct…

Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 26 2024 13:23 utc | 482

Can’t help getting a Shadowbanned vibe from our Anon2022…
In more cheerful news, the Globalist is getting twitchy.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/11/24/ukraines-warriors-brace-for-a-kremlin-surge-in-the-south
Ukraine’s problems, meanwhile, are worsening mainly because of manpower issues. The army is long out of willing recruits, and its mobilisation campaign is falling short, recruiting barely two-thirds of its target. A senior Ukrainian official says he is worried the situation may become irretrievable by the spring. An even bigger problem is the quality of the new recruits. “Forest”, a battalion commander with the 65th brigade, says the men being sent from army headquarters are now mostly too old or unmotivated to be useful. All but a handful are over the age of 45. “I’m being sent guys, 50 plus, with doctors’ notes telling me they are too ill to serve,” he says. “At times it feels like I’m managing a day-care centre rather than a combat unit.”
The situation on the front lines is widely accepted to be as difficult as at any time since the early days of the war, with many fearing a significant Ukrainian retreat may soon be inevitable… Ukraine’s systemic weakness is clearly taking its toll on the morale of its front-line fighters. With no hope for rotation or demobilisation, some of the once most committed now wonder if a ceasefire might be the only way out. “Chechen”, the brigade officer leading the new soldiers’ training session, says he remains determined to fight to the end. “Giving away territories to these disgusting people is no guarantee it will stop.” But he admits that fewer soldiers than ever share his resolve. “It’s not even 50-50 any more, but 30-70.” Lemberg puts the situation in even starker terms. “In 2022 I was ready to tear the Russians apart with my teeth,” he says. “In 2023, I just needed rest. This year? I almost couldn’t give a fuck.”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 26 2024 13:27 utc | 483

Posted by: Hunsdon | Nov 25 2024 19:04 utc | 308
Kind of you to say so but it’s not like that at all! TTG only keeps the site going out of respect for Colonel Lang’s memory and is scrupulous in allowing both sides of the question to be put. The only bravery involved is the bravery, or risk taking, I see on “b”s site as well.
If you’re writing from Europe, as many on MOA do as well, it’s possibly chancy expressing one’s views on the genocide in the ME. The authorities seem to be more concerned with social media and the activists rather than with specialist websites but much of what is said about the genocide here and on Colonel Lang’s old site could lead to trouble for Europeans were that not the case.
But what’s happening in the ME is an open and shut case. Ukraine, the main question there is whether the Russian invasion of Ukraine was “provoked” or “unprovoked”. You have to be aware of a lot of back history to be able to assess that. Certainly in England, very few are aware of that back history so most of us buy “unprovoked”.
I think it’s the same in Germany. I’ve only seen one public figure there, that very minor, stating explicitly that we provoked the Ukrainian war, and he was kicked out of the AfD soon after. The big names among the sceptical, Kujat and so on, explain that we’re on a loser in this war but as far as I know they don’t explain why we should never have provoked it in the first place. Though Krone-Schmalz has intimated that a few times. I don’t know what weight she has, though, in the wider public debate.
None of that makes a lot of odds when it comes down to the reality of this Ukrainian war. What’ll happen there will happen regardless of what we Europeans or indeed the Americans themselves believe or say. Just written that on the site you mention. All the talk on this war we engage in in the West counts for very little now:-
… I came down to breakfast this morning and saw Ritter pointing out much the same as Professor Postol. We in the general public might still be waiting for further information, but American Intel will know all about Hazel. They will have been watching the launch preparations and following the missile’s subsequent course with interest.
But I still can’t see what all the fuss is about. If the Russians wanted to take out Brize Norton or some Rheinmetall plant they could have done so any time in the last two or three years. European AD is not so brilliant that it’d take this new missile to get past it. So what’s changed?
Nothing. The Russians will neutralise remnant Ukraine, or “rump Ukraine” as some call it, right up to the Polish border and that’s been obvious since February 2022. As said so often, the Russians cannot tolerate NATO using a country on their borders to mount “look no hands” missions into Russia, any more than the US could tolerate the Russians using Mexico for the same purpose.
Barring nuclear there’s nothing NATO can do about that and the various suggestions that there is, given our equipment and manpower inferiority in this theatre, are just so much hot air.
The Western analysts and journalists are also fussing too much about what President Trump might or might not do in the war after he’s inaugurated. Some say Biden’s team is attempting to “Trump proof” policy on Ukraine. Others, that Trump has sold his voters a pup and is himself intent on continuing the war. Others, that he’s doing what he did with North Korea at the start of his previous presidency. That is, making various threats to start his negotiations with Putin off with and then slipping in some sensible compromise. The bad cop good cop routine.
But none recognise that whatever he does, President Trump will be as powerless as President Biden when it comes to influencing the outcome in Ukraine.
More sanctions won’t work any better than the old ones did. And though there’s talk of sending in far more equipment, that talk ignores the plain fact that in the matter of equipment the NATO cupboard is bare. Certainly if the Americans want to keep some for the Pacific.
I don’t believe Trump would go nuclear any more than Biden would so no matter the excited talk, the Ukrainian enterprise we’ve been hoping so much from is a dead duck.
As, in reality, the Americans recognised two years ago. Pity the Europeans didn’t have the same sense. RIP Lady Ashton and Victoria Nuland and please don’t dance on their graves. It’s disrespectful.
…………………………
So we are now spectators only in this war, then, watching to see how the Russians decide to go about neutralising remnant Ukraine.
I suppose the main point of interest there for most is Odessa. It still has a majority Russian population so it’d be logical for the Russians to incorporate it. Maybe other parts of the old Party of Regions area where there’s a pro-Russian majority. Maybe more. That’s up to the Russians.
But it’s how it will go in the western part of the remnant that’ll be critical. The Russians don’t want to have to occupy and police that part.
They may not have to. The sense of betrayal coming out of Ukraine now, from Zelensky down, is palpable.
We kept the Ukrainians fighting by promising we’d be with them as long as it takes. Who can forget Zelensky’s triumphal progress through the Western capitals, the standing ovations, as we hailed him as the new Churchill?
The Ukrainians believed all that. Took a million casualties holding to that belief. And then we ditched them at Vilnius. The dismissive “We are not Amazon” must have hit them like a bucket of cold water. It may be that after such betrayal the western Ukrainians are no longer so intent on belonging to the West. As with Odessa, we’ll just have to wait and see.

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 26 2024 13:34 utc | 484

> Shadowbanned vibe from our Anon2022…
Every other time, I disagree with barflies guessing about new names for long-time posters. In this case, I agree, because the perspective, reasoning, and writing style match perfectly AFAICT.
Welcome back, Shadowbanned. I appreciate your contributions.

Posted by: I forgot | Nov 26 2024 13:37 utc | 485

n all fairness, the early NSDAP did have a minority wing with socialist tendencies. This wing had to be eliminated, of course, in order to cement the Party’s relationship with the industrialists, which in turn was necessary to prepare the Reich for war.
That wing was headed by a certain Ernst Röhm. It was for that reason, and not because of his sexual behavior (which Hitler had known about for at least a decade), that he was the primary target of the Night of the Long Knives.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 26 2024 13:07 utc | 481
First off unlike most members of Wehrmacht serving during WW1 the Austrian corporal was never de-mobilized. He served in plain clothes and was trained in the art of persuasion including oratory skills.
The 1919 German revolution put quite a scare into the German “deep state”. The NSDAP were chosen to become an “anti-communist” party and young Adolph was to serve as their leader. The socialist part was to appeal to the working class. The whole point was to peel the working class away from communism and turn them into commie hating nationalists.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 26 2024 13:46 utc | 486

The NSDAP was a socialist party
Posted by: Jan Sobieski | Nov 26 2024 12:05 utc | 476

Sure. Where Socialism can be interpreted as partnering with industry as in Fascism.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 26 2024 12:18 utc | 477
Partnering as imposing change. The original was, as mentioned before, socialist but not komintern, Rhom and his SA paid the price for not bending the knee to oligarchs.
Was hitler ever socialist? Possibly, but turned. Goering? Unlikely, but Rhom? Certainly, maybe with a distinct flavor but certainly. The night of the long knives was the purging of that line.
The third international was perhaps the trigger for much of the problem, by being more than an international and threatening an hegemony based in Moscow .
Maybe current parties like AfD are the same kind of answer to an American led “liberalism”, as many here remind, most are socio-economically right, but present themselves as not bound to dictates from the us.
But why discuss this on the Ukraine thread? Maybe because the third international was meant as a means, and effective one at that, to keep members within orthodoxy and minimize risks of defection. These last months, how often have we discussed about china dropping Russia or Russia being forgiven as a price of dropping china , or even both letting Iran to hang. Divide and conquer was/is always a nice card to play.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 26 2024 13:47 utc | 487

MoD knew where they were going to be hit and still failed to intercept two small attacks.
Official statement on Kursk: attack on Nov 23 – two hits out of five. Attack on Nov 25 – one hit out of eight. “The operation was a success, but the patient died”

Posted by: rk | Nov 26 2024 13:54 utc | 488

I forgot | Nov 26 2024 13:37 utc | 486
What makes you welcome him is I assume the same things that cheese me off, namely his non-stop “If Putin were any good he’d do X. Or Y. Or Z.”
Russia are winning this strange hybrid war of a kind we’ve not seen, as much financial as military, after a thousand days, with NATO/US providing the weapons, the intelligence and the targeting. There will always be things in any war that could have been done better.
My only worry about Putin’s leadership is the succession.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 26 2024 13:55 utc | 489

The socialist part was to appeal to the working class. The whole point was to peel the working class away from communism and turn them into commie hating nationalists.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 26 2024 13:46 utc | 487
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Taking the wind out of the socialist sails by coopting part of the socialist agenda has occurred frequently enough in modern history. That’s why Bismarck created state-operated health insurance a good generation before the rise of the NSDAP. (It also explains the New Deal.)
And we all know how easy it is to manipulate the working class into bloodthirsty (and later commie-hating) nationalists. Look at 1914.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 26 2024 13:56 utc | 490

My only worry about Putin’s leadership is the succession.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 26 2024 13:55 utc | 490
Why? Don’t you love Shoigu? That’s the succession prepared for years but the smo failures have damaged the votes for these elections. Putin’s high approval, which is real, does not translate to government or others. So Shoigu failed upwards, moved out of public view waiting for next elections. His buddy Gerasimov always fails upwards too. In only two years he took full control over both smo stuff and internal stuff, but can’t show even tiny results

Posted by: rk | Nov 26 2024 14:08 utc | 491

@ Milites
@ jure | Nov 26 2024 8:25 utc | 449
Agree, jure. It’s even more insidious though. These regimes devalue their currencies faster than they increase payments to the serfs. Meanwhile, higher per capita bennies flow to the upper class, who benefit disproportionately from tax “cuts” and own the corporations that suck up all the excess money.
To anyone who doesn’t always, always, always consider devaluation impacts on purchasing power, many of these politicians look “socialist”.

Posted by: I forgot | Nov 26 2024 14:25 utc | 492

rk | Nov 26 2024 14:08 utc | 492
sb’s little brother?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 26 2024 14:32 utc | 493

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 26 2024 13:56 utc | 491
This is it. If you’re a capitalist you aren’t going to leave something as important as your country falling into an ideology that would take your fortune and hang you from a lamp post to chance and you sure as shit won’t leave it up to a democratic vote.
You’re going to use your money to make sure that can’t happen just like you’d use your money to buy insurance. Revolution and socialism are a risk you have to hedge against.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 26 2024 14:51 utc | 494

It’s a titans’ fight about who gets to own/rape Europe as in the old myth.

Posted by: Tom | Nov 26 2024 14:52 utc | 495

I see that the Putin butthole-lickers at MOA are still fantasizing about a “surprise KO blow” by russia against the “totally collapsed” AFU…heheheh…bunch of pathetic keyboard generals…

Posted by: Sane Voice | Nov 26 2024 14:55 utc | 496

Putin butthole-lickers
Posted by: Sane Voice | Nov 26 2024 14:55 utc | 497
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All I see here is an asshole that no one wants to lick…that’s you!!

Posted by: ossii | Nov 26 2024 14:59 utc | 497

Posted by: ossii | Nov 26 2024 14:59 utc | 498
when you see an idiot with “heheheh”, just ignore it. they/them are spouting the same jibberish on different forums for years now under different names, because it is afraid. and its also always moving the goalposts after its predicitons never come to fruition.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 26 2024 15:06 utc | 498

sb’s little brother?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 26 2024 14:32 utc | 494
I don’t ask for nuclear strikes on Nato, just not a fake smo.
If you don’t like that, you can always move to Marty from Amerika’s blog. He’s on a denial tour these days, his “sources” deep inside MoD told him there was no Atacms attack on Kursk, it’s all internet fakes.
Here’s some more realism:
“Bloody Attack in Nova Kakhovka: Ukrainian Terrorist Regime Strikes a Bus, Killing 4 People and Wounding 13, Then Strike Emergency Vehicles Arriving to Help the Injured
Ukrainian drones targeted emergency vehicles that arrived to assist the wounded passengers of the bus in Nova Kakhovka, damaging 2 vehicles, the Governor of Kherson region told Zvezda.
“The strike was precise, meaning the location had been zeroed in. They were waiting for the bus to stop at the bus stop to carry out the attack in such an inhumane way,” added Vladimir Saldo.”

Posted by: rk | Nov 26 2024 15:08 utc | 499

English Outsider #485
“the main question there is whether the Russian invasion of Ukraine was “provoked” or “unprovoked””
I would argue “What invasion”?
Crimea – no invasion in any meaningful sense
Donbass – not part of Ukraine in 2022. Russia was invited in.
Zap/Kher – The initial “invasion” was mostly peaceful. These areas were no longer part of Ukraine when the heavy fighting took place, and the population support Russia.
Karkhiv – Ok the Russians invaded but left after the referendum rejected them.

Posted by: Tim | Nov 26 2024 15:14 utc | 500