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November 24, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-282
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Posted by: 5thcolumn | Nov 25 2024 11:54 utc | 190 Posted by: _unimperator_ | Nov 25 2024 13:10 utc | 201 Posted by: 5thcolumn | Nov 25 2024 11:54 utc | 190 Posted by: _unimperator_ | Nov 25 2024 13:13 utc | 202 I ead that the Russian factory in Caluga or Kaluga is attacked with long range missiles. Posted by: Salmon | Nov 25 2024 13:13 utc | 203 Apparently an oil refinery not factory and 1 of 3 drones got through. Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 25 2024 13:18 utc | 204 HOPEFULLY JOE BRANDON (or whoever is controlling him) WON’T SET OFF WORLD WAR 3 BEFORE TRUMP (our legitimate president from 2020) ASSUMES OFFICE. Zelensky is a WAR CRIMINAL AND NEEDS TO ANSWER FOR HIS CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. Posted by: Fortuna | Nov 25 2024 13:22 utc | 205 Posted by: Fortuna | Nov 25 2024 13:22 utc | 206 Posted by: ossii | Nov 25 2024 13:26 utc | 206 @201-203 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2024 13:27 utc | 207
https://x.com/distant_earth83/status/1860980580390670475 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2024 13:38 utc | 208 the Kursk region was under relentless attack by AFU strike UAVs and American Atacms missiles overnight. Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 25 2024 13:47 utc | 209 Valery Zaluzhny, former UA commander-in-chief:
A blatant attempt to internationalize the Ukrainian war. Just mentioning North Korean troops and Ukraine in the same sentence classifies a sentence as falsehood. Posted by: Passerby | Nov 25 2024 14:00 utc | 210 Re the Kursk region. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 25 2024 14:08 utc | 211 the question is whether there will be the push to rebuild military stock in failing economies…..hope not. Posted by: Mary | Nov 25 2024 14:09 utc | 212 After an ATACMS attack on an airfield in the Kursk region. Posted by: ossii | Nov 25 2024 14:12 utc | 213 Posted by: Passerby | Nov 25 2024 14:00 utc | 211 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2024 14:14 utc | 214 Now that they are being used to hold the Kursk salient, they can be pinned down and destroyed. The longer the Russians keep Kursk running, the more of these units will be sent there to be destroyed. Posted by: ossii | Nov 25 2024 14:19 utc | 215 Posted by: ossii | Nov 25 2024 14:19 utc | 216 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2024 14:24 utc | 216 Adm. Sam Paparo, Commander of US Indo-Pacific Command Posted by: Mary | Nov 25 2024 14:26 utc | 217 In his latest podcast (“Implications”) Andrei Martjanov muses about use cases for oreshnik. Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 25 2024 14:30 utc | 218 re: ossii | Nov 25 2024 14:19 utc | 216 Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 25 2024 14:32 utc | 219 RUAF reportedly controls 50 % of Kurakhove. I would assume the front will quickly move to the level of Bogatyr (the next ‘fort city’ 20km west of Kurakhove), more in an uncontrolled than controlled fashion. Plus Uspenivka will automatically collapse. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2024 14:37 utc | 220 ossii | Nov 25 2024 14:19 utc | 216 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 25 2024 14:45 utc | 221 By the way, if you look at deployment maps you see Ukraine has prepared a large defensive line in the same fashion Russia prepared 2023, running east-west. Losing Kurakhove will compromise the massive effort of west-east line as RUAF will be able to roll up the east-west line from behind (north), and systematically roll the defensive line from the side (east). Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2024 14:45 utc | 222 Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 25 2024 7:53 utc | 173
I don’t believe it is feasible to create ethnic-specific bioweapons, regardless of biotechnological sophistication, bacause we’re just too similar at this point in human speciation. This doesn’t mean well-paid technicians wouldn’t sell the idea as if it were feasible. Probably COVID was an attempt (Ron Unz’s hypothesis) but if that was the case look at the blowback.
Let me clarify one thing: elites need large populations of consumers, followers, voters, administrators and workers. Elites are sitting on top of an inmense hierarchy. Elites don’t want a reduction in population. Period.
The logic is faulty. If you have something big to throw at your enemy you don’t escalate timid bit by timid bit as Lance’s correctly describe the West has been doing to counter Russia in the Ukraines. The West is known for shock and awe against its enemies when it has the power to do that. Escalating timid bit by timid bit is the strategy of the fearful, of the careful, of those that hope a small escalation will suffice eventually. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 25 2024 14:46 utc | 223 the question is whether there will be the push to rebuild military stock in failing economies…..hope not.
Well, yes … BUT Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 14:55 utc | 224 adding to 225, Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 14:59 utc | 225 Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 14:59 utc | 226 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2024 15:05 utc | 226 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2024 13:38 utc | 209 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 25 2024 15:09 utc | 227 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 25 2024 15:09 utc | 228 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2024 15:11 utc | 228
True, but China has a lot to loose. Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 15:18 utc | 229 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 25 2024 14:08 utc | 212 Notice that RUAF is sucking AFU reserves into Velyka Novosilka. However, you notice that there are 2 – 3 rivers criss-crossing the village. RUAF can destroy a handful of bridges which can lead additional AFU reserves trapped there, while RUAF continues enveloping the village from west and north. Posted by: Newbie | Nov 25 2024 15:21 utc | 231 x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1861037485083803997 Posted by: rk | Nov 25 2024 15:22 utc | 232 Apollyon (187). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 25 2024 15:22 utc | 233 Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 15:18 utc | 230 Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 25 2024 15:26 utc | 234 re: ossii | Nov 25 2024 14:19 utc | 216 Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 25 2024 15:32 utc | 235
this is a huge issue and should really be thought over by all those countries that want to have normal relations with anyone. the usa/nato has shown that its an ENEMY to THE WHOLE WORLD if it does not get its way. Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 25 2024 15:33 utc | 236 Lethal or potentially lethal rhetoric has made its way into the Sense site which currently features a “question” as to whether Russia should make a nuclear attack London. No discernment. Yes, within the politically independent “Square Mile”, more properly known as City of London or The City, there is a prime iteration of the heart of the Beast. Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 25 2024 15:40 utc | 237
Posted by: Toby C | Nov 25 2024 15:42 utc | 238 Zounds! Auto-correct has fucked me over once again. It substituted Rense with Sense. On occasion that feature can assist in poor choices of spelling and orthography. However, the AI feature infesting this iMac is but a harbinger of programmed mind-control on behalf of evil agendas. Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 25 2024 15:44 utc | 239 ossii | Nov 25 2024 14:19 utc | 216 Ukraine’s Western backers are at the same time trying to assist Kiev in jump-starting and expanding its own defense manufacturing sector. Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 25 2024 15:52 utc | 241 Adding 1+1+1: Posted by: dh-mtl | Nov 25 2024 15:52 utc | 242
There were rumors that British or US specialists were helping Ukraine develop or manufacture missiles in the Yuzhmash plant. Perhaps something to do with nuclear technology, too. You know, the British have been beating the drum of giving Ukraine nukes… Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2024 15:57 utc | 243 re: dh-mtl | Nov 25 2024 15:52 utc | 243 Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 25 2024 15:58 utc | 244 Posted by: rk | Nov 25 2024 15:22 utc | 233 Posted by: Mario | Nov 25 2024 16:09 utc | 245 Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 25 2024 15:44 utc | 240 Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 25 2024 16:09 utc | 246 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 25 2024 15:22 utc | 234 Posted by: Mario | Nov 25 2024 16:11 utc | 247 Then people said that the factory in Dneipropetrovsk was Soviet era and had been shuttered for years, so why did Russia take it out? Such a waste of a new weapon. Posted by: ossii | Nov 25 2024 16:11 utc | 248 One more thing, I know the plant superficially. Posted by: ossii | Nov 25 2024 16:18 utc | 249 Enter the hazelnut. Russia destroys Ukr nukes with a non-nuke hypersonic weapon. NATO has no excuse to attack Russia. Posted by: rk | Nov 25 2024 16:23 utc | 250 Turn off auto-incorrect. Posted by: Mary | Nov 25 2024 16:31 utc | 251 Weather permitting, Russia probably has satellite pics of the facility struck by Oreshnik – mainly to compare intended results with true results. I’m not sure if there’s any incentive for Ru to make the images public. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 25 2024 16:33 utc | 252 Nato is going into hyper-panic, per Rob Bauer statements today. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2024 16:34 utc | 253 Posted by: Toby C | Nov 25 2024 15:42 utc | 239 Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 25 2024 16:35 utc | 254 Thanks for the feedback. I agree that the US/UK were probably working with the Ukies in that plant developing nuclear weapons. Or at least one. Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 25 2024 16:36 utc | 255 The suicidal calls for starting a world war is reaching raving status over here. Posted by: boneless | Nov 25 2024 16:41 utc | 256 Even IF US looses the exchange and it is fully obliterated the fallout from so many nukes will put ALL life on Earth in danger of extinction. Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 25 2024 16:42 utc | 257 ChatNPC@1609 Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 25 2024 16:42 utc | 258 unimperator@1557 Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 25 2024 16:46 utc | 259 Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 25 2024 14:30 utc | 219 Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 25 2024 16:49 utc | 260 I’m gratified to find well-informed commentators such as Danny Davis and Andrei Martynov giving voice to an interpretation of Oreshnik similar to my own, and expanding into implications yet to be dreamed of in the delusional west. If military history is a steeplechase race, Oreshnik just mowed down all the steeples.
Which means “the vikings kicked but again.” Or, as Porky Pig says, “that’s all, folks!” Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 25 2024 16:56 utc | 261
Most countries want to survive and not get bombed into stone age or color revolutionized or ISIS invaded or sanctioned into starvation bu US and friends. Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 17:07 utc | 262 They’re selling postcards of the hanging Some sources in AFU are afraid that Zaporozhye and all forts around it will be bypassed. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2024 17:18 utc | 264
I wish … that wester people will stop dreaming that Russia will “solve” all their problems by bombing this or that target in US / UK / EU / NATO and friends. Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 17:22 utc | 265 Hi folks, hold on the euphoria about the Hazel attack until we have accurate reports and pictures of the situation on the ground. Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 25 2024 17:23 utc | 266 Denial from laws of physics is indeed strong among the propagandists. They simply can’t shut up about how much “it doesn’t matter”. Posted by: boneless | Nov 25 2024 17:27 utc | 267 Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 17:22 utc | 266 Posted by: Mario | Nov 25 2024 17:28 utc | 268 aristodemus 260 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Nov 25 2024 17:29 utc | 269 Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 25 2024 17:23 utc | 267 Posted by: Mario | Nov 25 2024 17:30 utc | 270 bog 230 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Nov 25 2024 17:36 utc | 271 re: Mario | Nov 25 2024 16:11 utc | 248 Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 25 2024 17:36 utc | 272 Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 25 2024 16:49 utc | 261 Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 25 2024 17:39 utc | 273 Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 25 2024 16:33 utc | 253 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 25 2024 17:40 utc | 274 unimperator 215 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Nov 25 2024 17:44 utc | 275 Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 25 2024 17:36 utc | 273 Posted by: Mario | Nov 25 2024 17:44 utc | 276 @ MorePain4Cakes, §219: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 25 2024 17:48 utc | 277 Posted by: John Marks | Nov 25 2024 17:48 utc | 278 Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 25 2024 17:50 utc | 278
(Blushes) I own no smartphone, so sadly, no. Posted by: ChatNPC | Nov 25 2024 17:51 utc | 279
can you give us a link to the source of this claim? a credible one at that. Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 25 2024 17:51 utc | 280 Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 25 2024 17:50 utc | 279 Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 25 2024 18:02 utc | 281
I’ve read that RU informed the US 30minutes ahead (arrival or dispatch? open). Posted by: MAKK | Nov 25 2024 18:12 utc | 282 The Russians warned the Ukro-Nazis about the attack in good time. Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 25 2024 17:23 utc | 267 Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 25 2024 18:13 utc | 283
Survival no matter the cost is always a “smart move” for life forms. Together with reproduction and propagation of life. Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 18:18 utc | 284 Peter AU1 | Nov 25 2024 17:40 utc | 275– https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/#post-colonelcassad-9516951 Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 25 2024 18:20 utc | 286
Please do not insult tardigrades, they might survive. Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 18:25 utc | 287 Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 18:18 utc | 285 Posted by: Mario | Nov 25 2024 18:26 utc | 288 No, first you need to prevent any possible supply line to europe…It’s all about logistics… Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 25 2024 18:26 utc | 289 Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 25 2024 18:02 utc | 282 Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 25 2024 18:34 utc | 290 Posted by: boneless | Nov 25 2024 17:27 utc | 268 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 25 2024 18:36 utc | 291 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 25 2024 17:40 utc | 275 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 25 2024 18:39 utc | 292
Unfortunately, I agree with all you say above … Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 18:42 utc | 293 The Russians informed the Americans that it was not a nuke. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 25 2024 18:43 utc | 294 Reports of a Brit named James Scott Rhys Anderson being captured in Kursk Oblast while fighting for the Kiev forces. Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 25 2024 18:44 utc | 295 I agree that Ekatrina the Great established Odessa; Potemkin did all the work. Posted by: Samu | Nov 25 2024 18:44 utc | 296 karlof1 | Nov 25 2024 18:20 utc | 286 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 25 2024 18:48 utc | 297 Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 18:18 utc | 285
Hmm, yes 10×10 would be my error sorry. Posted by: bog | Nov 25 2024 18:51 utc | 298 I’ve searched & searched for a way to turn off autocorrect on my phone. Posted by: Passerby | Nov 25 2024 18:51 utc | 299 *** Russia maintains a lot of partisans in Ukraine and BDA of an experimental weapon would be well planned. Posted by: frithguild | Nov 25 2024 18:51 utc | 300 |
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