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November 24, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-282
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Here in britain the public are being told to prepare for war in the uk, by keeping a weeks supply of food in the house. Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 24 2024 15:22 utc | 1 @2 Posted by: paddy | Nov 24 2024 15:30 utc | 2 The values-Western worthless media are desperately hiding the ORESHNIK-diaster Posted by: hatomune | Nov 24 2024 15:33 utc | 3 Posted by: paddy | Nov 24 2024 15:30 utc | 3 “Storm shadow and ATACMS are being employed in none of the ways they were specified to perform.” Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 24 2024 15:35 utc | 4 StormShadow_88- Posted by: Robert Hope | Nov 24 2024 15:39 utc | 5 Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 24 2024 15:22 utc | 1 Posted by: KingCobra | Nov 24 2024 15:41 utc | 6 Ukraine Weekly Update, 22nd November 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukrainian-weekly-update Posted by: The Busker | Nov 24 2024 15:46 utc | 7 As ATCAMs and storm shadows are a foregone conclusion but scalps might not, b excuse me for reposting but some good can come out of this. Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 15:50 utc | 8 Quote Posted by: Sam | Nov 24 2024 15:55 utc | 9 “the West won’t have them for about two-years” Posted by: Mary | Nov 24 2024 16:10 utc | 10 I find it interesting that, since the ATACMS/Oreshnik exchange, there’s been almost no discussion of events on the ground in any news that I’m following (Dr. Busker excluded) Posted by: CT | Nov 24 2024 16:12 utc | 11 Kremlin needs to stay on course and not let agitation from the West set the “rules” of how to make their moves. The more Western agitators and Langley-drones harp on that “Putin needs to do this or that”; the more this needs to be avoided. Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Nov 24 2024 16:12 utc | 12 In the previous thread, we saw numerous postings relating rumors of “a raid by about 10 ATACMS” yesterday (Saturday). This looks poorly substantiated, so far as I can tell, with ultra-vague accounts such as “explosions were heard in the cities of Kursk and Kurchatov.” Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 24 2024 16:13 utc | 13 paddy@3…..all bombs are “terror” bombs, or is one side’s bombs evil, and other side’s good? Asking for the dearly departed. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 24 2024 16:15 utc | 14 @5 Posted by: paddy | Nov 24 2024 16:18 utc | 15 Britain is ready for war apparently. Top general says if needed to fight tonight, we’re ready! Posted by: Vragtes | Nov 24 2024 16:19 utc | 16
Not so much Wagner’s Ride of the Valkyries as Ravel’s Bolero. NATO will have to put up or shut up soon, unfortunately, these people just don’t shut up, they only will when they get hit in the face with a brick. Sorry to repeat but as Russia get’s closer to victory the more, not less, dangerous things get. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 16:20 utc | 17 reply to 17 Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 24 2024 16:23 utc | 18 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 16:20 utc | 18 Posted by: Mario | Nov 24 2024 16:25 utc | 19 Posted by: StormShadow_88 | Nov 24 2024 15:25 utc Posted by: Hunsdon | Nov 24 2024 16:36 utc | 21 What’s all this fuss Great Britain is making on sending soldiers to Ukraine? Great Britain is great no more. When Queen Elizabeth passed, she took what was left of it with her. They should worry more about their domestic issues than trying to relive past glories. All that bloviating that they are doing is more appropriate for reenactment events or Renaissance festivals. And with the issues of using Storm Shadows. That’s really all that they have or ever will again. The Russians will sooner or later figure them out. And what I have read in the past is that they have been used before and have been using them for quite some time. And it hasn’t changed the course of this operation to favor Himmler’s descendants, in other words, the people who are running the Ukraine. Posted by: Jose Garcia | Nov 24 2024 16:45 utc | 22 NATO military commander stating “we are ready for war” is a given. It is their job after all, to go to war if ordered, whether they are ready or not. It would’ve been funny if one of them said: “Forces under my command are not ready for war, I should be fired”, but it’s not the honest world we live in. Posted by: boneless | Nov 24 2024 16:53 utc | 23 https://t.me/boris_rozhin/145453 Posted by: guest | Nov 24 2024 16:54 utc | 24 BMA has an article up on the Dnipro missile attack. Kinetic penetrator warhead. Worth a read. Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 24 2024 16:55 utc | 25 Read this blog, it seemed to be take a different path of thinking about what might be going on which I found to be stimulating. Posted by: ElbowRoom | Nov 24 2024 16:56 utc | 26 There is some entertaining speculation that Russia’s new missile may use the same “new physical principles” that turned the twin towers to dust during the 9.11 attack. Posted by: CitizenSmith | Nov 24 2024 17:02 utc | 27 Why is the western MSM so silent about Orehsnik? As it never happend. They always look for sensation but now they do not care. Have they managed to hide this event completely from the masses? Posted by: salmon | Nov 24 2024 17:05 utc | 28 Yes, Russia are stuggling, evident of the non moving frontline in Ukraine and the situation in Kursk. Unbelievably after 4 months in Kursk, smaller Ukraine still control 555 square kilometres of Russian territory and are attacking other fronts in different regions. Russia has serious problems and the foreign screws are tightening financially, economically and materially on them. They are one step from becoming a pariah state just like North Korea. Posted by: peacenow | Nov 24 2024 17:08 utc | 29 Posted by: salmon | Nov 24 2024 17:05 utc | 29 Posted by: Mario | Nov 24 2024 17:09 utc | 30 @ peacenow | Nov 24 2024 17:08 utc | 30 Posted by: boneless | Nov 24 2024 17:12 utc | 31 All the more reason for Putin to take the initiative and use the new non-nuclear weapons to strike Nato in Europe – the US would not be able to complain that Russia had launched nukes against Europe – which will continue to supply its proxy Ukraine for years to come – the war against Russia via Ukraine will continue until Russia is defeated – or Russia takes out Nato/European military bases in Europe – that are supplying Ukraine. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 24 2024 17:15 utc | 32 Andrei Martyanov was probably too quick to spread rumors about the complete destruction of Yuzhmash. Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 24 2024 17:16 utc | 33 Taking Odessa could be a swift surprise. Who knows the number of Russian special forces already in leading the partisans who are very well armed. Plus para air drops and Transnistria route along with the main assault. Once nato troops taken care of,Ukies could be persuaded to either surrender,walk away or join. Feel it could happen before January 20th. Quoting Ossi, it is only 45 kms away from the current front. Doable They are one step from becoming a pariah state just like North Korea. Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2024 17:21 utc | 35
The ATACMS is the sole tactical ballistic missile the US deploys. Which means that you can forget about the official fairy tales that it is not a nuclear-capable weapon, with 99.9% certainty it has multiple nuclear variants that have simply not been disclosed publicly. It is large enough to carry very substantial nuclear warheads. Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 24 2024 17:22 utc | 36
Coincidentally, this was just posted on Russian Telegram:
Who cares about those people? Certainly not the Kremlin… Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 24 2024 17:24 utc | 37
The last thing Putin should do is make deals. There is no conceivable deal to be had that the US would accept and is not a total strategic defeat for Russia. Russia needs to push the US out of the former Warsaw pact entirely, and Finland too (thus taking the US out of SRBM point blank range), and then negotiate a new INF treaty. If no new INF treaty can be negotiated (and enforced), then the task becomes to physically push the US out of Eurasia altogether. Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 24 2024 17:26 utc | 38 Anon2022@1724 Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 24 2024 17:37 utc | 39 Posted by: Mary | Nov 24 2024 16:10 utc | 11 Posted by: Badjoke | Nov 24 2024 17:38 utc | 40 “peace now”@1708 Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 24 2024 17:41 utc | 41 Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 24 2024 17:16 utc | 34 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 24 2024 17:46 utc | 42 “Here in britain the public are being told to prepare for war in the uk, by keeping a weeks supply of food in the house. Posted by: kupkee | Nov 24 2024 17:51 utc | 43 Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 24 2024 17:16 utc | 34 Posted by: Mario | Nov 24 2024 17:56 utc | 44 It seems ironic to me the number of posters here who want to encourage the RF to annihilate targets in the west. The value of the site is reduced, IMO, when the amount of information gets overwhelmed by opinions on what Putin should do. I reckon than Putin has the information he needs to proceed…so far his moves have been much more rational than those of the west. For those of you who have never witnessed first hand the horrors of war, I suggest you do a little research….I doubt you would like the experience that you so wish to encourage. Posted by: Giuseppe | Nov 24 2024 18:00 utc | 45 Russian advances from Day 1001 to 1003 of the War – Suriyakmaps Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 18:02 utc | 46 Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 24 2024 17:16 utc | 34 Posted by: KitaySupporter | Nov 24 2024 18:05 utc | 47 Anon2022@1724 https://t.me/yurasumy/19391 Posted by: KitaySupporter | Nov 24 2024 18:15 utc | 49 StormShadow_88- Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 24 2024 18:16 utc | 50 Giuseppe (46). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 24 2024 18:21 utc | 52 Imagine the ethnic Russians in Odessa. The years of silent pent up rage,thirst for revenge,the forever fantasising of what they will do the nazis.Feel they are ready to explode I’m watching Ted Postol on Nima, and USA Gen. Jack Keane says Putin is very good at getting into Biden’s head. I strongly doubt Putin would waste his time, all he’d find there is cobwebs, dust, and a worrying smell of mold. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 18:24 utc | 54 Here in britain the public are being told to prepare for war in the uk, by keeping a weeks supply of food in the house. Posted by: Red Star | Nov 24 2024 18:33 utc | 55 Interview with Emmanuel Todd in Flavio von Witzleben YouTube. It is in English. Occasion the German translation of THE DEFEAT OF THE WEST (Niedergang.. in German) for the BUCHMESSE. Succinct and spot on… Posted by: Teraspol | Nov 24 2024 18:36 utc | 56 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 18:24 utc | 55 Posted by: ossii | Nov 24 2024 18:37 utc | 57 Read this blog, it seemed to be take a different path of thinking about what might be going on which I found to be stimulating. Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 18:41 utc | 58 Here in britain the public are being told to prepare for war in the uk, by keeping a weeks supply of food in the house. Posted by: ossii | Nov 24 2024 18:43 utc | 59 IMO, Biden can’t afford to retreat from Ukraine, not because of Ukraine, but because of China. If US wants to weaken China, to subjugate China, Biden can’t quit now. He has to take his gamble, to escalate, till January 20th, 2025. Posted by: KitaySupporter | Nov 24 2024 18:44 utc | 60 Posted by: KitaySupporter | Nov 24 2024 18:15 utc | 50 Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 24 2024 18:45 utc | 61 Re: The total destruction of the Yuzhmash manufacturing plant. By a completely new weapon envisioned 60 years ago by Gene Roddenberry. Posted by: golddigger | Nov 24 2024 18:50 utc | 62 It is a bizarre wonderment how a broken decaying nation such as Britain talks so tough. Posted by: Red Star | Nov 24 2024 19:00 utc | 63 Now that the “Thank you, Dr. Fauci” video is gaining traction, 2 questions: Posted by: kupkee | Nov 24 2024 19:04 utc | 64
BBC. Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 24 2024 19:06 utc | 65 Scott Ritter’s take, including a theory that the Oreshnik uses independent post-boost vehicles (IPBV) rather than the more familiar MIRVs: https://scottritter.substack.com/p/on-the-brink Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 24 2024 19:16 utc | 66 Republicofscotland#54 Posted by: Tim | Nov 24 2024 19:22 utc | 67 Posted by: Sam | Nov 24 2024 15:55 utc | 10 “Russian President Vladimir Putin has confirmed that Russia has a stockpile of the new Oreshnik medium-range missiles, following its successful combat test on Thusday.”” Posted by: ed4 | Nov 24 2024 19:25 utc | 68 @ Justpassinby | Nov 24 2024 19:06 utc | 66 Posted by: james | Nov 24 2024 19:27 utc | 69
They used Sputnik V, a domestically produced gene therapy intervention based on a adenovirus vector platform, essentially the same as the Oxford–AstraZeneca jab. It contained the coding sequence of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and made the recipient’s cells produce toxic spike proteins. The Oxford–AstraZeneca jab has been removed from the market due to the mortality and morbidity from this ‘clot shot’. Posted by: Drifter | Nov 24 2024 19:28 utc | 70 Justpassinby @ 66
LOL the NAFO trolls here function at a higher level and they’re living in their cars and paid in fentanyl, looks like the BBC can no longer recruit even at that level. How the might British Wurlitzer has fallen, MI5 used to recruit the best and the brightest out of UK universities. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 19:28 utc | 71 @ Bemildred | Nov 24 2024 18:45 utc | 62 Posted by: james | Nov 24 2024 19:29 utc | 72 Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 24 2024 16:55 utc | 26 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 24 2024 19:30 utc | 73 @CitizenSmith | Nov 24 2024 17:02 utc | 28 Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 24 2024 19:35 utc | 75 metal-based explosives ? Posted by: Hodes | Nov 24 2024 19:39 utc | 76 @ Bemildred | Nov 24 2024 18:45 utc | 62 Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 24 2024 19:40 utc | 77 @Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 24 2024 19:30 utc | 74
Black Mountain Analysis Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 24 2024 19:43 utc | 78 Hey B. Can I ride my shit on your reputation – comment section – like a busker aka dr. dr. rob campel does supported by his claqueurs/himself ? I have to harvest some attention. Posted by: buster | Nov 24 2024 19:45 utc | 79 @ Bemildred | Nov 24 2024 19:40 utc | 78 Posted by: james | Nov 24 2024 19:45 utc | 80 kupkee @ 65
A Mexican coworker in the USA once told me, “always get a WASP lawyer and a Jewish doctor”. Israel was the first to get the western vaxxes, seemed inappropriately preferential at the time, Jewish pharma CEOs and top doctors in the USA favoring the chosen people in a foreign country. In retrospect was it all a con, to remove any doubt, make everyone else in the west jealous so that we’d line up to take our medicine? I wouldn’t rule out saline. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 19:46 utc | 81 Posted by: Red Star | Nov 24 2024 19:00 utc | 64 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 24 2024 19:51 utc | 82 After Kursk got bogged down I’ve been watching for the level of destruction, and while spread out as it’s only small towns and farmsteads, if you add it all up everything there is looking like a moonscape like the Donbas, everything built up having been hit repeatedly with FABs. I get the feeling there will be retribution on the west, and it’s well planned. At least the EU and the UK have very little time to bug out and apologize. Unfortunately I live in the EU, if Mr. Putin is reading here, I humbly apologize. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 20:02 utc | 83
Israel was mainly Pfizer mRNA. I wouldn’t rule out saline for politicians and spooks, maybe also in military age people. But the early reports (some of the earliest in the world) from honest Israeli doctors mirrored the Russian experience. There were significant demographic losses, especially in the elderly. Then censorship and silence. Posted by: Drifter | Nov 24 2024 20:11 utc | 84
Posted by: Passerby | Nov 24 2024 20:16 utc | 85 Posted by: Badjoke | Nov 24 2024 17:38 utc | 41 Posted by: Mary | Nov 24 2024 20:17 utc | 86 Just musing on the destructive effects of Oreshnik and the thought occurred that any moisture, no matter how small an amount, is going to explosively flash to steam if it suddenly gets exposed to anywhere near plasma-like temperatures. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 24 2024 20:18 utc | 87 Posted by: kupkee | Nov 24 2024 19:04 utc | 65 Posted by: Mary | Nov 24 2024 20:25 utc | 88 As a fellow Brit, I’m wondering what happened to all those blue/yellow flags that sprouted like weeds during the spring of 2022? Struggling to remember the last time I saw one local to me. Posted by: Red Star | Nov 24 2024 20:27 utc | 89 How the might British Wurlitzer has fallen, MI5 used to recruit the best and the brightest out of UK universities. Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 20:28 utc | 90
But what about those 50,000 North Korean troops in Kursk???!!! Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 20:43 utc | 91 Panic!!! If Oreshnyk attacks Lviv and there will be a fair warning, for example, then in 20 minutes we will have a mass panic and a tidal wave towards Poland and Slovakia Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 24 2024 20:47 utc | 92 When he finally seriously hit the “decision-making centers” in Kiev, nobody will care either. Posted by: blue angel | Nov 24 2024 20:47 utc | 93 Posted by: blue angel | Nov 24 2024 20:47 utc | 94 Posted by: Cherrycoke | Nov 24 2024 20:59 utc | 94 Posted by: ElbowRoom | Nov 24 2024 16:56 utc | 27 Posted by: watcher | Nov 24 2024 21:01 utc | 95 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 20:43 utc | 92 Posted by: Mario | Nov 24 2024 21:04 utc | 96 Larsbo @ 93
I think that’s the point. It must be terribly hard for Putin, and certainly for Medvedev, to not go – BOO! Would be for me. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 21:11 utc | 97 Interesting technical description Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 24 2024 21:15 utc | 98 blue angel = it’s the jews…. i skip over their posts.. Posted by: james | Nov 24 2024 21:25 utc | 99 Can somebody drop a hazelnut on Blue Angel? That’s some really poor trolling. Really poor. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 24 2024 21:27 utc | 100 |
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