Ukraine Open Thread 2024-282
News & views related to the war in Ukraine ...
Posted by b on November 24, 2024 at 15:15 UTC | Permalink
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Storm shadow and ATACMS are being employed in none of the ways they were specified to perform.
IOW they have no more effect than to make your agitated.
21st century V-1 no use terror machines.
All the empire has
Posted by: paddy | Nov 24 2024 15:30 utc | 2
The values-Western worthless media are desperately hiding the ORESHNIK-diaster
Hatomune
Posted by: hatomune | Nov 24 2024 15:33 utc | 3
Posted by: paddy | Nov 24 2024 15:30 utc | 3 "Storm shadow and ATACMS are being employed in none of the ways they were specified to perform."
What do you mean? How should they be employed according to specifications?
Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 24 2024 15:35 utc | 4
StormShadow_88-
The mentally ill, retarded child who enjoys flinging his poo at everyone else in the room....
Posted by: Robert Hope | Nov 24 2024 15:39 utc | 5
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 24 2024 15:22 utc | 1
More likely because of the terrible weather!!!!
Posted by: KingCobra | Nov 24 2024 15:41 utc | 6
Ukraine Weekly Update, 22nd November 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukrainian-weekly-update
Posted by: The Busker | Nov 24 2024 15:46 utc | 7
As ATCAMs and storm shadows are a foregone conclusion but scalps might not, b excuse me for reposting but some good can come out of this.
Was thinking about the talk of using French scalp and remembered that macron does not have a majority.
With the smallest lever France might get away from this mess and save millions. Feel free to use in French forums or better bring it up with a politician you might know.
Maybe if a single deputy in the National Assembly , ideally a maverick from one respectable big old party (not a reference to gop just that it would work better from a non fringe one) would present the following law for immediate vote.
“We the people of France, in the person of its deputies reafirm our friendship with the Russia federation , and renegue on any words or acts that we are but at peace with RF. And the Russian people.
To ensure that no confusion exists about the peace between our countries we explicitly forbid, any French aiithority , civilian or military , on penalty of treason, to supply any and all weapons that might be used to significantly impinge upon the safety of Russia internationally recognized territory.
Given current situation an immediate ban on the supply , maintenance and operation of any and all scalp misiles, which if still present in the hands of the Ukrainian government must be returned or certifiably destroyed or rendered harmless.
Same applies to any French assets , public or private in anyway involved in a kill chain with potential targets within the same territory.
A commission for the review of current supplied means will be set up by the National Assembly , to assess all current supplies of material, intelligence and human means and equally stop and forbid those not compatible with the peace between our people. Same commission will also have veto on any further requests internal or to discharge international obligations, to assure that no decision of war is taken without consulting the National Assembly
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 3:47 utc | 636
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 15:50 utc | 8
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"Putin needs to use these weapons now and strike a decisive blow especially to the war plotter England - the West won't have them for about two-years - if the shoe was on the other foot - the West wouldn't hesitate to use them.
If Putin doesn't strike home this tactical advantage whilst he has the upperhand - Russia will ultimately regret it.
I say Putin should strike whilst the iron is hot - as the saying goes - the West cannot be trusted, as soon as the West has these weapons they will attack - imagine if Russia didn't have them right now, and the West did - do you think for one second they wouldn't use them?
Russian President Vladimir Putin has confirmed that Russia has a stockpile of the new Oreshnik medium-range missiles, following its successful combat test on Thusday."
Posted by: Sam | Nov 24 2024 15:55 utc | 9
"the West won't have them for about two-years"
Posted by: Sam | Nov 24 2024 15:55 utc | 10
What makes you think the west will have them in 2 years? Because they'll throw more $$ at them?
Posted by: Mary | Nov 24 2024 16:10 utc | 10
I find it interesting that, since the ATACMS/Oreshnik exchange, there's been almost no discussion of events on the ground in any news that I'm following (Dr. Busker excluded)
Also interesting:
https://lite.cnn.com/2024/11/24/europe/russia-fires-commander-false-claims-ukraine-intl/index.html
Posted by: CT | Nov 24 2024 16:12 utc | 11
Kremlin needs to stay on course and not let agitation from the West set the "rules" of how to make their moves. The more Western agitators and Langley-drones harp on that "Putin needs to do this or that"; the more this needs to be avoided.
On the ground in Donbass the grind keeps rolling westwards at increasing pace.
Behind the scenes one may wonder if there is increased work from incoming administration to stop the escalation in a race against the current opne who is working hard to INCREASE the same escalation.
Kremlin needs to stay calm and let the Western dogs bark.
As mentioned above by paddy, the Western use of their SS "Wunderwaffen" is even less effective than the orignal ones in 1944..
Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Nov 24 2024 16:12 utc | 12
In the previous thread, we saw numerous postings relating rumors of "a raid by about 10 ATACMS" yesterday (Saturday). This looks poorly substantiated, so far as I can tell, with ultra-vague accounts such as "explosions were heard in the cities of Kursk and Kurchatov."
I'm guessing no such thing occurred. On the contrary, we might be seeing a significant halt to NATO missile-attacks on Russia since Thursday. It's possible the MSM's absurd indifference to Oreshnik is only contrived to mask effective apprehension, behind velvet curtains in the halls of power. What we call deterrence.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 24 2024 16:13 utc | 13
[email protected] bombs are "terror" bombs, or is one side's bombs evil, and other side's good? Asking for the dearly departed.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 24 2024 16:15 utc | 14
@5
What is the t in ATACMS?
Storm Shadow is about the bang of a 100 kg bomd, what good on target outside of FEBA?
Just as US’ trillion buck a year military kluge don’t beat men in sandals
Posted by: paddy | Nov 24 2024 16:18 utc | 15
Britain is ready for war apparently. Top general says if needed to fight tonight, we’re ready!
And here’s some more detail on the status of Britains new aircraft carriers. One has to be scrapped.
Let’s up and at ‘em Russkis!
I also do sarcasm.
Posted by: Vragtes | Nov 24 2024 16:19 utc | 16
Russian advances from Day 1001 to 1003 of the War - SuriyakmapsTotal Russian Advance (Gross) = 98.73km2
For those that asked, Advances excluding Kursk:
Total Russian Advance (Gross) = 93.68km2
Not so much Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries as Ravel's Bolero. NATO will have to put up or shut up soon, unfortunately, these people just don't shut up, they only will when they get hit in the face with a brick. Sorry to repeat but as Russia get's closer to victory the more, not less, dangerous things get.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 16:20 utc | 17
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It is a bizarre wonderment how a broken decaying nation such as Britain talks so tough.
I think you have to recall that they gave the world the Monty Python "Black Knight" meme.
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 24 2024 16:23 utc | 18
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 16:20 utc | 18
If the west wanted, was able, to defy RF, it should have done before not now.
Posted by: Mario | Nov 24 2024 16:25 utc | 19
Posted by: StormShadow_88 | Nov 24 2024 15:25 utc
Did you forget the 14 in your name?
Posted by: Hunsdon | Nov 24 2024 16:36 utc | 21
What’s all this fuss Great Britain is making on sending soldiers to Ukraine? Great Britain is great no more. When Queen Elizabeth passed, she took what was left of it with her. They should worry more about their domestic issues than trying to relive past glories. All that bloviating that they are doing is more appropriate for reenactment events or Renaissance festivals. And with the issues of using Storm Shadows. That’s really all that they have or ever will again. The Russians will sooner or later figure them out. And what I have read in the past is that they have been used before and have been using them for quite some time. And it hasn’t changed the course of this operation to favor Himmler’s descendants, in other words, the people who are running the Ukraine.
Posted by: Jose Garcia | Nov 24 2024 16:45 utc | 22
NATO military commander stating "we are ready for war" is a given. It is their job after all, to go to war if ordered, whether they are ready or not. It would've been funny if one of them said: "Forces under my command are not ready for war, I should be fired", but it's not the honest world we live in.
The important point I see, is that UK and other USA vassals will go to war if commanded, whatever state their military is in. The suicide cult mentality is strong among them.
Posted by: boneless | Nov 24 2024 16:53 utc | 23
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/145453
Regarding the stuffing about the deal that Trump allegedly wants to offer "Ukraine in exchange for severing ties with China and Iran."
Even if we seriously talk about its reality, then this is a deal from the cycle "Betray those who helped you, and in return here is a bone for you, we will deal with you a little later, when we are done with China and Iran."
The danger to the United States is not one country individually, but a set of countries that oppose the Washington world order.
It is this combination of countries that leads to the destruction of the global hegemony of the United States.
The Biden administration tried to put pressure on everyone at once, and it frankly failed.
The Trump administration will try to destroy this situational alliance, including by possibly proposing various separate deals, where the same Ukraine can easily be sacrificed as a pawn to win the game.
I believe that the Kremlin also understands this and will not break off relations with China and Iran, if this is proposed, we will not agree.
Including due to the loss of confidence in any assurances from the West, although some of the elites who previously cheerfully marched to the West still have illusions that it is possible to return to pre-war times.
But those days are long gone and will not return.
Posted by: guest | Nov 24 2024 16:54 utc | 24
BMA has an article up on the Dnipro missile attack. Kinetic penetrator warhead. Worth a read.
Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 24 2024 16:55 utc | 25
Read this blog, it seemed to be take a different path of thinking about what might be going on which I found to be stimulating.
https://lancepeatling.substack.com/p/now-thats-quite-a-firework-you-have
Posted by: ElbowRoom | Nov 24 2024 16:56 utc | 26
There is some entertaining speculation that Russia’s new missile may use the same “new physical principles” that turned the twin towers to dust during the 9.11 attack.
If that is correct, selling the rubble to China might not have been a good idea; the Chinese and Russians co-operate with each other and share information on all manner of subjects.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Nov 24 2024 17:02 utc | 27
Why is the western MSM so silent about Orehsnik? As it never happend. They always look for sensation but now they do not care. Have they managed to hide this event completely from the masses?
Posted by: salmon | Nov 24 2024 17:05 utc | 28
Yes, Russia are stuggling, evident of the non moving frontline in Ukraine and the situation in Kursk. Unbelievably after 4 months in Kursk, smaller Ukraine still control 555 square kilometres of Russian territory and are attacking other fronts in different regions. Russia has serious problems and the foreign screws are tightening financially, economically and materially on them. They are one step from becoming a pariah state just like North Korea.
Posted by: peacenow | Nov 24 2024 17:08 utc | 29
Posted by: salmon | Nov 24 2024 17:05 utc | 29
They look for sensation if it plays for they theater.
What sensation could they convey by a strike that they could not stop on a military related facility?
Posted by: Mario | Nov 24 2024 17:09 utc | 30
@ peacenow | Nov 24 2024 17:08 utc | 30
One step away? I thought they already were isolated, literally years ago. Did US and EU lie? Also, bringing up a country size makes your Western MSM show more than anything else. Don't forget to zip it up next time.
Posted by: boneless | Nov 24 2024 17:12 utc | 31
All the more reason for Putin to take the initiative and use the new non-nuclear weapons to strike Nato in Europe - the US would not be able to complain that Russia had launched nukes against Europe - which will continue to supply its proxy Ukraine for years to come - the war against Russia via Ukraine will continue until Russia is defeated - or Russia takes out Nato/European military bases in Europe - that are supplying Ukraine.
European military bases are the USA/UK's staging posts - they must be neutralised by Russia using those new missiles - if not Russia will pay a heavy price at a later stage in the creeping war with Nato.
"The US will adjust its nuclear deterrence strategy to meet potential threats from Russia and China, according to a Pentagon report.
In a statement on Thursday, the Department of Defense said that “multiple nuclear peer adversaries challenge the US and its allies’ and partners’ security,” adding that those countries are growing and modernizing their nuclear arsenals."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 24 2024 17:15 utc | 32
Andrei Martyanov was probably too quick to spread rumors about the complete destruction of Yuzhmash.
Was there one whisky too much?
The first blurred satellite images that are now becoming known show little or no damage.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 24 2024 17:16 utc | 33
Taking Odessa could be a swift surprise. Who knows the number of Russian special forces already in leading the partisans who are very well armed. Plus para air drops and Transnistria route along with the main assault. Once nato troops taken care of,Ukies could be persuaded to either surrender,walk away or join. Feel it could happen before January 20th. Quoting Ossi, it is only 45 kms away from the current front. Doable
They are one step from becoming a pariah state just like North Korea.
Posted by: peacenow | Nov 24 2024 17:08 utc | 30
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Its just a jump to the left and then a step to the right.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 24 2024 17:21 utc | 35
What is the t in ATACMS?Storm Shadow is about the bang of a 100 kg bomd, what good on target outside of FEBA?
Just as US’ trillion buck a year military kluge don’t beat men in sandals
Posted by: paddy | Nov 24 2024 16:18 utc | 16
The ATACMS is the sole tactical ballistic missile the US deploys. Which means that you can forget about the official fairy tales that it is not a nuclear-capable weapon, with 99.9% certainty it has multiple nuclear variants that have simply not been disclosed publicly. It is large enough to carry very substantial nuclear warheads.
Same for the Storm Shadow/SCALP. Unofficially? Not nuclear. But anything that has such a large conventional warhead can carry nukes. The space is there. And should be treated as such.
This is the scheme here -- get Russia accustomed to having these (and other) things launched at them, eliminate LoW from the Russian system that way, then swap the missiles with nuclear ones and do decapitation one day.
It was already a huge mistake that Putin acquiesced to those being fired at Crimea and the Donbass. A lot of people died as a result, and it set a precedent that everyone knew was going to lead to even more escalation unless cut off immediately. It wasn't cut off, so here we are.
But at least you could make the argument that there was nothing strategically vital in Crimea and the Donbass, thus those strikes were never going to do unacceptable damage.
That is not the case for strikes on the pre-war mainland.
So far the response has once again not been adequate -- sure, we got a nice technology demonstration, but nobody was deterred by that, because Russia had superior weapons to NATO already even without that one. The bet all along has been that Putin doesn't have the balls to hit NATO directly. And indeed, he hit Dnepropetrovsk as a "response", not NATO. Nobody cares.
When he finally seriously hit the "decision-making centers" in Kiev, nobody will care either.
Only if he hits Brussels, London and DC will those responsible for what is happening feel scared.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 24 2024 17:22 utc | 36
Odessa is the city that interests the Western strategists, NOT Kiev. Because without Odessa, all the billions of investments from Blackrock and others are lost. Without Odessa, the possible Rst Ukraine is not viable...why did Putin not mention Odessa in his offer, did he not want to attract attention? It is only about 45 km from the current front to Odessa...no blogger speaks of any offensives in this area...there are offensives everywhere for 1200 km, only in this area is there a deceptive calm...really? Time, Putin just needs time at the moment, time to further thin out the Ukrainian army, then take Odessa by surprise, which would mean the END of the war. But the West, especially France, wants to prevent this at ANY COST..Odessa is the future of all investment, the raison d'être of UkrainePosted by: ossii | Nov 24 2024 15:08 utc | 773
Coincidentally, this was just posted on Russian Telegram:
https://t.me/dva_majors/58498They write to us from the front;
🖋Good evening!
We would like to ask you a favor. Pro-Russian people in the Russian city of Odessa have recently felt somewhat abandoned due to the increasing rumors about negotiations and the freezing of the LBS line. In this regard, having contacted the Odessa underground and learned that they read the Two Majors channel, we ask you to publish a video with words of support for these brave people. We hope that these words will support them and serve as confirmation that Russia has not forgotten about them.
Who cares about those people? Certainly not the Kremlin...
Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 24 2024 17:24 utc | 37
I have said if Russia wants to end this war it needs to deal with the private multi national companies that have claims to [or their eyes on] the resources that exist within the parts of Ukraine Russia has already liberated and the parts of the Ukraine that is still under Zaleski's control. . Graham's is a most likely person to know what Trump's plan is. and I suspect Putin will listen intently to offers like the following:1. the fighting stops
2. both waring sides keep what they have gained or loss
3. the privately owned Multi nation companies in both Russia and the west will be given mineral extractions contracts from both sides
4. the contracts will provide royalties (maybe 15% of the spoils) to be paid to governments that had control over property from which the extractions are or will be made...
5. the private own all control all multi national companies will put up the capital to mine or exploit the spoils of war from Ukraine. Deal done. Trump is on top of the mountain.This is exactly how I think Trump thinks he can end the war.. and I agree Putin mostly likely will listen..and this deal will cut off at the pass all of the militaries and their politicians trying to get at Russia.
Posted by: snake | Nov 24 2024 16:25 utc | 791
The last thing Putin should do is make deals. There is no conceivable deal to be had that the US would accept and is not a total strategic defeat for Russia. Russia needs to push the US out of the former Warsaw pact entirely, and Finland too (thus taking the US out of SRBM point blank range), and then negotiate a new INF treaty. If no new INF treaty can be negotiated (and enforced), then the task becomes to physically push the US out of Eurasia altogether.
Yes, you read that right. No US bases in Germany, Italy, Belgium, Turkey, the Middle East, Japan, South Korea, etc. That has to be the goal.
Meanwhile here we are discussing deals along the current line of contact in a war that Russia has, to this day, never seriously fought. That is just absurd.
What Putin should do is strike at the multinationals, not deal with them. While they are a hydra/ameoba/octopus, ultimately there are real powerful individuals behind them and they are not an infinite number. Take them out kinetically and thus cut the head of the snake off. Russia has the means to do it. But not the balls, and not the conviction, because the elite is deeply compromised.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 24 2024 17:26 utc | 38
Anon2022@1724
"Who cares about these people (Odessans) certainly not the Kremlin". What an utterly stoopid statement.
As I've noted earlier today, Odessa is the cornerstone, the key to the entire conflict. Established in the late 18th Century by Ekatrina the Great; Odessa, though historically cosmopolitan, is thoroughly an ethnic Russian people.
You're goddamned informed that the R.U. cares greatly about Odessa and its people. No negotiations will be seriously possible until the key to the entire Black Sea northern side has been duly liberated and the people there given a choice as whether or not to referendum in favor of returning to the hugs of Mama Bear.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 24 2024 17:37 utc | 39
Posted by: Mary | Nov 24 2024 16:10 utc | 11
Whilst not as sophisticated due to the age of the design the MX missle was a MIRVed IRQBM that was quite accurate and near impossible to intercept even with modern Russian BMD.
If they cannot restart production of a missile from almost 40 years ago in two years they should probably quit the whole empire game.
Posted by: Badjoke | Nov 24 2024 17:38 utc | 40
"peace now"@1708
Hiding behind the mask of pretend peace is the M.O. of yet another concern troll.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 24 2024 17:41 utc | 41
Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 24 2024 17:16 utc | 34
“The first satellite images that were doctored by the West to deliberately mislead their own docile and ignorant populace”
There, fixed it … you’re welcome.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 24 2024 17:46 utc | 42
"Here in britain the public are being told to prepare for war in the uk, by keeping a weeks supply of food in the house.
So thats alright then.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 24 2024 15:22 utc | 1"
Not-so-great British Subjects to King Chuck of Windsor (AKA House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) ought to be tracking the whereabouts of Robespierre Starmer and his crew as they take Britain over the cliff. Knowing you have a few minutes left to seek recompense instead of looking for those old sandwiches as you glow in the dark, should be your highest priority.
Posted by: kupkee | Nov 24 2024 17:51 utc | 43
Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 24 2024 17:16 utc | 34
No need for blurred satellite images, it's Ukraine controlled land, send a TV crew there and show the location.
Posted by: Mario | Nov 24 2024 17:56 utc | 44
It seems ironic to me the number of posters here who want to encourage the RF to annihilate targets in the west. The value of the site is reduced, IMO, when the amount of information gets overwhelmed by opinions on what Putin should do. I reckon than Putin has the information he needs to proceed...so far his moves have been much more rational than those of the west. For those of you who have never witnessed first hand the horrors of war, I suggest you do a little research....I doubt you would like the experience that you so wish to encourage.
Posted by: Giuseppe | Nov 24 2024 18:00 utc | 45
Russian advances from Day 1001 to 1003 of the War - Suriyakmaps
Total Russian Advance (Gross) = 98.73km2
For those that asked, Advances excluding Kursk:
Total Russian Advance (Gross) = 93.68km2
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/16045
Not so much Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries as Ravel's Bolero. NATO will have to put up or shut up soon, unfortunately, these people just don't shut up, they only will when they get hit in the face with a brick. Sorry to repeat but as Russia get's closer to victory the more, not less, dangerous things get.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 16:20 utc | 18
Seems to be heading well for something I proposed some days/weeks ago
2023all 1,39 km2/day
2024/01 2,78 km2/day
2024/02 5,56 km2/day
2024/03 11,11 km2/day
2024/04 22,22 km2/day
2025/01 44,44 km2/day
2025/02 88,89 km2/day
2025/03 177,78 km2/day
2025/04 355,56 km2/day
with that progression by the 3d quarter of 2025 RF would basically be in the march maximum position but with a magnitude more soldiers to spare, while AFU will have little to no recruitment potential left and empty arms shelves on nato's stocks, enough to make a proper reboot of the SMO where it left off then and an easy path to the full objectives. Of course a collapse earlier is strongly probable.
This wouldn't be possible without a proper attrition of nato's weapons, and ukraine's men
A tragic mistake for most of the 3 million that lost life or limb having decided that it was riskier to turn weapons against their masters than against RF)
Could the next countries in line take notice and do something about a political class that thinks so little about their subjects? Please?
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 18:02 utc | 46
Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 24 2024 17:16 utc | 34
Martyanov wrote about Yuzhmash based on human Intels, reports from Dnepropetrovsk.
The first low-quality satellite images of the territory of "Yuzhmash" in Dnepropetrovsk is "LOW Quality", so we cannot do image validity analysis. Why did Ukraine top security of "anything related to Yuzhmash event"?
The west shows you what the west wants to show you.
Why there are no photos of damages of ATACMS attack on Ammo Depot in Russia's Bryansk Region since Nov 19?
Why there are no photos of USS Abraham Lincoln during and after Houthis heavy attacks and after it left Red Sea in a hurry?
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Nov 24 2024 18:05 utc | 47
Anon2022@1724
"Who cares about these people (Odessans) certainly not the Kremlin". What an utterly stoopid statement.
As I've noted earlier today, Odessa is the cornerstone, the key to the entire conflict. Established in the late 18th Century by Ekatrina the Great; Odessa, though historically cosmopolitan, is thoroughly an ethnic Russian people.
You're goddamned informed that the R.U. cares greatly about Odessa and its people. No negotiations will be seriously possible until the key to the entire Black Sea northern side has been duly liberated and the people there given a choice as whether or not to referendum in favor of returning to the hugs of Mama Bear.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 24 2024 17:37 utc | 40
Yes, anon's idea is preposterous; Odessa must be liberated or the SMO is a strategic blunder.
I agree that Ekatrina the Great established Odessa; Potemkin did all the work.
https://t.me/yurasumy/19391
Итоги удара по "Южмашу": разрушения значительные, но не глобальные...
Многие наши каналы уже успели у себя перепостить аудиосообщение, что мол на месте "Южмаша" после попадания туда "орешника" одни руины.
Конечно это было неправдой. Странно, что кто-то на это купился.
Реальность по данным источника Олега Царева (а у него они хорошие, он местный) следующая:
"Некоторые каналы писали, что завод Южмаш после попадания российской сверхзвуковой ракеты полностью разрушен. В пыль. Это неправда. Разрушения значительные, но они локальные и в местах попадания ракет. Узнать информацию подробнее невозможно. Места попадания ракет оцеплены СБУ. Туда не пускают сотрудников завода. Собирают фрагменты наших ракет".
Комментарий. С учетом того, что БЧ была не ядерная, результат, как я понял вполне себе достойный.
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Nov 24 2024 18:15 utc | 49
StormShadow_88-
The mentally ill, retarded child who enjoys flinging his poo at everyone else in the room....
Posted by: Robert Hope | Nov 24 2024 15:39 utc | 6
Yes, at this stage of Ukraine's utter humiliation, this guy is a certified retard.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 24 2024 18:16 utc | 50
Giuseppe (46).
A noble comment indeed - however, when you are dealing with mad men, reason sometimes cannot apply - like the Zionists currently committing genocide in Gaza - and soon to be the West Bank and Southern Lebanon - the Nato/Pentagon/Whitehall bigwigs only respect force.
Also in my comments I'm not calling for war - I'm suggesting that Putin should use these shiny new weapons - to take out Nato/European military bases in Europe - bases that are forwarding the missiles to Ukraine to fire into Russia.
Of course we could all get behind Angela Merkel, in her suggestion that a dialogue is the way forward - and we could also conveniently forget that Merkel used dialogue with Russia years back, to allow Ukraine to build up its military forces - forces that have been deployed and destroyed at the behest of the West.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 24 2024 18:21 utc | 52
Imagine the ethnic Russians in Odessa. The years of silent pent up rage,thirst for revenge,the forever fantasising of what they will do the nazis.Feel they are ready to explode
I'm watching Ted Postol on Nima, and USA Gen. Jack Keane says Putin is very good at getting into Biden's head. I strongly doubt Putin would waste his time, all he'd find there is cobwebs, dust, and a worrying smell of mold.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 18:24 utc | 54
Here in britain the public are being told to prepare for war in the uk, by keeping a weeks supply of food in the house.
So thats alright then.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 24 2024 15:22 utc | 1
Yeah, I noticed the pro-war propaganda being forced up a notch or two today. Any news on where our local bomb shelters are ? I suspect Kiev Starmer has his aired and fully stocked.
Project Alchemy - for anyone who hasn't seen it, this article describes the clandestine UK support for keeping the war ticking over :
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/11/16/uk-plot-keep-ukraine-fighting/
Posted by: Red Star | Nov 24 2024 18:33 utc | 55
Interview with Emmanuel Todd in Flavio von Witzleben YouTube. It is in English. Occasion the German translation of THE DEFEAT OF THE WEST (Niedergang.. in German) for the BUCHMESSE. Succinct and spot on...
Posted by: Teraspol | Nov 24 2024 18:36 utc | 56
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 18:24 utc | 55
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What does Putin want in Biden's head, apart from spiders and mold...
If so, Putin would have to get into the heads of those who use Biden as a puppet...and that could get very confusing...as is the case with madmen. Ergo, Putin should stay the way he is, normal and reliable in what he says and announces.
Posted by: ossii | Nov 24 2024 18:37 utc | 57
Read this blog, it seemed to be take a different path of thinking about what might be going on which I found to be stimulating.
https://lancepeatling.substack.com/p/now-thats-quite-a-firework-you-have
Posted by: ElbowRoom | Nov 24 2024 16:56 utc | 27
I hesitated on answering here or on the open thread.
But as the proximate cause is ukraine I'll let it stand here.
If, and it is a big if (remember the star wars bluf from reagan's america that basically broke the ussr?) , the us is developing and deploying space weapons, then (and with added bonus on ISR and data-link degradation ), a solution might be a short term Kesslerization of LEO from 600 kms down (99% of us advances are in that area) . Not even sure if it would render classic ICBMs vulnerable to orbit degrading debris (which would give an added bonus to RF new wave riders that just grazes space.
Yes, Kessler syndrome from 600 kms downwards would probably render LEO a mess for a decade and then some. (but it's low low earth orbit, most would be down in 5 years if memory serves me right)
my 2 micro-debris
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 18:41 utc | 58
Here in britain the public are being told to prepare for war in the uk, by keeping a weeks supply of food in the house.
So thats alright then.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 24 2024 15:22 utc | 1
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As an Englishman with the knowledge of the elites there, I would also have every reason to stock up... I doubt whether the "normal" Englishman knows why he should stock up on these supplies... because if he knew what his government was really doing to start World War III, I doubt it...
Because all media in the Western bubble have one thing in common... the concealment of truths. So hardly any normal person will know why and how he lives in danger... ONLY THAT PUTIN IS TO BLAME
as in every country in the Western bubble... Putin is universally guilty
Posted by: ossii | Nov 24 2024 18:43 utc | 59
IMO, Biden can't afford to retreat from Ukraine, not because of Ukraine, but because of China. If US wants to weaken China, to subjugate China, Biden can't quit now. He has to take his gamble, to escalate, till January 20th, 2025.
Trump may as well continue this weakening China strategy. So in Biden's lap, he has to tough it out.
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Nov 24 2024 18:44 utc | 60
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Nov 24 2024 18:15 utc | 50
Translation:
The results of the strike on Yuzhmash: the damage is significant, but not global....
Many of our channels have already managed to repost an audio message that there are ruins on the place of Yuzhmash after the “hazelnut” hit there.
Of course, it was not true. It is strange that someone bought it.
The reality according to Oleg Tsarev's source (and he has good ones, he is a local) is as follows:
“Some channels wrote that the Yuzhmash plant was completely destroyed after being hit by a Russian supersonic missile. Into dust. This is not true. The destruction is significant, but it is localized and in the places where the missiles hit. It's impossible to find out more information. The places where the missiles hit are cordoned off by the SBU. Employees of the plant are not allowed to go there. They are collecting fragments of our missiles”.
Comment. Taking into account the fact that the projectile was not nuclear, the result, as I realized, is quite decent.
Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 24 2024 18:45 utc | 61
Re: The total destruction of the Yuzhmash manufacturing plant. By a completely new weapon envisioned 60 years ago by Gene Roddenberry.
Putin has given his order.
"Arm the Photon Torpedos Mr Chekhov."
Posted by: golddigger | Nov 24 2024 18:50 utc | 62
It is a bizarre wonderment how a broken decaying nation such as Britain talks so tough.
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 24 2024 16:23 utc | 19
I think - as a Brit - that we should be very clear that Britain does NOT support Ukraine. It supports Palestine, and can get 300,000 on the streets of London in support of them.
But where are the pro-Ukraine marches ? - there aren't any. And perhaps more to the point, there aren't any ANTI-Russia protests either.
This is an Elite war - persued by the Westminster bubble in London. So target the City of London by all means (and maybe GCHQ and the American spy base at Menwith Hill) but the vast majority of us aren't pro-Ukraine or anti-Russia.
Although as a whole we are getting increasingly anti-Starmer. If he is stupid enough to start something (and it appears that he is) then that may well be the end of his career - hopefully swinging from a London lamp post.
Posted by: Red Star | Nov 24 2024 19:00 utc | 63
Now that the "Thank you, Dr. Fauci" video is gaining traction, 2 questions:
1. Does anyone know what Russia used for their national vaccine?
2. What about Israel? They promoted the vaccine like no one else. Did they have their own concoction, the Pfizer goo, or a saline solution so that everyone else could get sick, harmed or killed? The pager incident tells you the depth of their morality/depravity.
Posted by: kupkee | Nov 24 2024 19:04 utc | 64
"The Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant, under the control of Russian forces, was on the verge of a blackout twice this week due to constant shelling by Russian troops, Ukrainian Energy Minister Herman Galushchenko stated."
BBC.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 24 2024 19:06 utc | 65
Scott Ritter’s take, including a theory that the Oreshnik uses independent post-boost vehicles (IPBV) rather than the more familiar MIRVs: https://scottritter.substack.com/p/on-the-brink
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 24 2024 19:16 utc | 66
Republicofscotland#54
Putin creates reality. We just get to watch.
Posted by: Tim | Nov 24 2024 19:22 utc | 67
Posted by: Sam | Nov 24 2024 15:55 utc | 10 "Russian President Vladimir Putin has confirmed that Russia has a stockpile of the new Oreshnik medium-range missiles, following its successful combat test on Thusday.""
Where did he confirm that? The quote I saw was that Russia was going to start mass producing these missiles.
"President Vladimir Putin said Friday that Russia will continue to test and start mass-producing the hypersonic ballistic missile that it fired at Ukraine Thursday."
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/23/europe/russia-testing-oreshnik-missile-putin-intl/index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-new-oreshnik-missile-continue-testing-mass-producing/story?id=116141663
Posted by: ed4 | Nov 24 2024 19:25 utc | 68
@ Justpassinby | Nov 24 2024 19:06 utc | 66
bbc - a bastion of neutrality, lol... they are almost as objective as steimer, lol..
Posted by: james | Nov 24 2024 19:27 utc | 69
Does anyone know what Russia used for their national vaccine?
They used Sputnik V, a domestically produced gene therapy intervention based on a adenovirus vector platform, essentially the same as the Oxford–AstraZeneca jab. It contained the coding sequence of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and made the recipient's cells produce toxic spike proteins. The Oxford–AstraZeneca jab has been removed from the market due to the mortality and morbidity from this 'clot shot'.
Early reports from Russia were that there was substantial excess mortality, especially in the elderly, the demographic effect was said to be ~600,000 excess deaths - in line with western experiences. The jabs were mandated for people in many roles in St Petersburg and Moscow. Doctors reporting problems with the jabs were censored and threatened with loss of license, same as in the west. Nothing has been heard from Russian dissident doctors since the start of the SMO, the whole affair has been memory holed.
Posted by: Drifter | Nov 24 2024 19:28 utc | 70
Justpassinby @ 66
...under the control of Russian forces...due to constant shelling by Russian troops...
LOL the NAFO trolls here function at a higher level and they're living in their cars and paid in fentanyl, looks like the BBC can no longer recruit even at that level. How the might British Wurlitzer has fallen, MI5 used to recruit the best and the brightest out of UK universities.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 19:28 utc | 71
@ Bemildred | Nov 24 2024 18:45 utc | 62
of course it was ineffective, lol.. that is why they refuse to show pictures of it!! the bullshit continues until it doesn't..
Posted by: james | Nov 24 2024 19:29 utc | 72
Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 24 2024 16:55 utc | 26
What's BMA?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 24 2024 19:30 utc | 73
@CitizenSmith | Nov 24 2024 17:02 utc | 28
You hypothesize about new physical principles on 9/11
Private Geiger counters were forbidden on the wtc area after 9/11
Selling the steel to china removed the evidence. And also bolstered the myth about how a lot of material vanished.
Another thing that deserves mention is that the NNSA used choppers to systematically scan a wide area around ground zero both before and after 9/11.
This to map how radioactive fingerprints changed.
NNSA=National Nuclear Security Administration
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 24 2024 19:35 utc | 75
metal-based explosives ?
mercouris afaik talked shortly about this
Posted by: Hodes | Nov 24 2024 19:39 utc | 76
@ Bemildred | Nov 24 2024 18:45 utc | 62
of course it was ineffective, lol.. that is why they refuse to show pictures of it!! the bullshit continues until it doesn't..
Posted by: james | Nov 24 2024 19:29 utc | 73
Hi james.
I just copied the translation. I think it was quite effective, but maybe not quite a sea of dust, that (sea of dust) is a compelling image though. So that I posted sort of fits that idea.
I've been thinking about what "new physical principles" might mean, with the constraint they must be mostly compatible with the old physical principles, or a new application of old principles.
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 24 2024 19:40 utc | 77
@Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 24 2024 19:30 utc | 74
What's BMA?Black Mountain Analysis
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/oreshnik-enters-the-chat-i
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 24 2024 19:43 utc | 78
Hey B. Can I ride my shit on your reputation - comment section - like a busker aka dr. dr. rob campel does supported by his claqueurs/himself ? I have to harvest some attention.
Posted by: buster | Nov 24 2024 19:45 utc | 79
@ Bemildred | Nov 24 2024 19:40 utc | 78
thanks... yes they mentioned nothing but dust a few days ago.... read the bma article that b posted on the week in review thread.. that is a good summation.. cheers!
Posted by: james | Nov 24 2024 19:45 utc | 80
kupkee @ 65
What about Israel? They promoted the vaccine like no one else. Did they have their own concoction, the Pfizer goo, or a saline solution so that everyone else could get sick, harmed or killed? The pager incident tells you the depth of their morality/depravity.
A Mexican coworker in the USA once told me, "always get a WASP lawyer and a Jewish doctor". Israel was the first to get the western vaxxes, seemed inappropriately preferential at the time, Jewish pharma CEOs and top doctors in the USA favoring the chosen people in a foreign country. In retrospect was it all a con, to remove any doubt, make everyone else in the west jealous so that we'd line up to take our medicine? I wouldn't rule out saline.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 19:46 utc | 81
Posted by: Red Star | Nov 24 2024 19:00 utc | 64
As a fellow Brit, I’m wondering what happened to all those blue/yellow flags that sprouted like weeds during the spring of 2022? Struggling to remember the last time I saw one local to me.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 24 2024 19:51 utc | 82
After Kursk got bogged down I've been watching for the level of destruction, and while spread out as it's only small towns and farmsteads, if you add it all up everything there is looking like a moonscape like the Donbas, everything built up having been hit repeatedly with FABs. I get the feeling there will be retribution on the west, and it's well planned. At least the EU and the UK have very little time to bug out and apologize. Unfortunately I live in the EU, if Mr. Putin is reading here, I humbly apologize.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 20:02 utc | 83
kupkee @ 65
What about Israel? They promoted the vaccine like no one else. Did they have their own concoction, the Pfizer goo, or a saline solution so that everyone else could get sick, harmed or killed? The pager incident tells you the depth of their morality/depravity.
A Mexican coworker in the USA once told me, "always get a WASP lawyer and a Jewish doctor". Israel was the first to get the western vaxxes, seemed inappropriately preferential at the time, Jewish pharma CEOs and top doctors in the USA favoring the chosen people in a foreign country. In retrospect was it all a con, to remove any doubt, make everyone else in the west jealous so that we'd line up to take our medicine? I wouldn't rule out saline.Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 19:46 utc | 82
Israel was mainly Pfizer mRNA. I wouldn't rule out saline for politicians and spooks, maybe also in military age people. But the early reports (some of the earliest in the world) from honest Israeli doctors mirrored the Russian experience. There were significant demographic losses, especially in the elderly. Then censorship and silence.
Of note US demographic losses were huge. As per Ed Dowd, the US lost an excess of 60,000 people aged 20 - 40 in 2021, equivalent to the whole Vietnam War. The losses were synchronised with jab mandate dates. Per ex-Pfizer whistleblower Karen Kingston, the US had excess mortality of ~ a million elderly people in 2021 (but no significant excess mortality of the elderly in 2020)
Posted by: Drifter | Nov 24 2024 20:11 utc | 84
Military equipment that Spain supplies to Ukraine cannot be used to attack Russia because it lacks the necessary features, Spanish Defense Minister Margarita Robles stated.
...
The missiles from Spain’s deliveries "will not be able" to reach Russian territory, Robles emphasized.(tass)
Posted by: Passerby | Nov 24 2024 20:16 utc | 85
Posted by: Badjoke | Nov 24 2024 17:38 utc | 41
Afaik, we're already struggling to manufacture weapons. Broken supply chains. Mis-educated people. Inthe case of older systems,the generation that used to produce & maintain gone, manuals lost.
Besides, sooner or later if they don't give up, Russia will take out critical mfg plants. They like to wait as long as possible before taking things out after the $$ investments are made.
Posted by: Mary | Nov 24 2024 20:17 utc | 86
Just musing on the destructive effects of Oreshnik and the thought occurred that any moisture, no matter how small an amount, is going to explosively flash to steam if it suddenly gets exposed to anywhere near plasma-like temperatures.
Even a residual amount of moisture in concrete or brickwork would be affected, never mind moist or damp subsoil surrounding any underground sub-structures.
Can’t remember the details but many years ago (back when Britain had such things) there was a nasty incident involving a molten steel-carrying “torpedo” wagon that hadn’t been properly dried out after having its refractory lining renewed and molten steel was poured into it. The resulting steam explosion blew the roof of the building and sprayed white-hot steel all around. Sadly there were several fatalities IIRC.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 24 2024 20:18 utc | 87
Posted by: kupkee | Nov 24 2024 19:04 utc | 65
Iirc, Russia used a more traditional dna vax. Definitely not mRNA.
I stopped following covid a while back, but did follow closely Igor Chudov & Bad Cattitude. Last I read, Israelis were suffering a lot of the side effects, same as the rest of us. They did a lot of boosters, too. Iirc, 1/3 of the country reported some degree of disability to perform normal daily tasks. Once the problems became obvious, they tightened up info, same as the rest.
Posted by: Mary | Nov 24 2024 20:25 utc | 88
As a fellow Brit, I’m wondering what happened to all those blue/yellow flags that sprouted like weeds during the spring of 2022? Struggling to remember the last time I saw one local to me.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 24 2024 19:51 utc | 83
There's one outside our town hall still, but its very faded and ragged ... which seems to be an appropriate metaphor for the situation.
Posted by: Red Star | Nov 24 2024 20:27 utc | 89
How the might British Wurlitzer has fallen, MI5 used to recruit the best and the brightest out of UK universities.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 19:28 utc | 72
Maybe they still do! Just the crappification of sweet albion
As this is almost on a joke level and tangential to ukraine I'll take the occasion to invite
CitizenSmith | Nov 24 2024 17:02 utc | 28
petergrfstrm | Nov 24 2024 19:35 utc | 76
Hodes | Nov 24 2024 19:39 utc | 77
Bemildred | Nov 24 2024 19:40 utc | 78
to join the open thread (james is already there) if the focus is dust/radioactive/fairy dust
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 20:28 utc | 90
"US authorities have mapped about 200 Russian military facilities that the Ukrainian Armed Forces could hit with ATACMS missilesAccording to the publication, the next target for the strike could be objects in the Rostov region. The Ukrainian Armed Forces may try to hit several military airfields located in this Russian region.
Permission to use longer-range missiles comes as Russia gains momentum on the battlefield"
But what about those 50,000 North Korean troops in Kursk???!!!
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 20:43 utc | 91
Panic!!! If Oreshnyk attacks Lviv and there will be a fair warning, for example, then in 20 minutes we will have a mass panic and a tidal wave towards Poland and Slovakia
Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 24 2024 20:47 utc | 92
When he finally seriously hit the "decision-making centers" in Kiev, nobody will care either.
Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 24 2024 17:22 utc
Actually, the inexplicable features of this war are simply explained.
The Jews completely own (non-Russian) Ukraine.
This includes "owning" the Nazis.
It is well known that the wages of the Nazi soldiers were paid by the Jew Kolomoisky till American Jew politicians began paying them with American taxpayer money (which is the current situation).
Because their compatriots own Ukraine many Jews in the Russian military command quietly undermine any attempt to significantly damage Ukraine. There are so many Jew traitors that they protect each other and are very difficult to purge from the system.
It's that simple.
As another example of the Jew traitors in the Russian military command at work, they have managed to prevent the bridges over the Dneiper being destroyed. To this day, they still used to transport Ukrainian soliders and weapons to the front.
Posted by: blue angel | Nov 24 2024 20:47 utc | 93
Posted by: blue angel | Nov 24 2024 20:47 utc | 94
You lost me at "Jews".
Posted by: Cherrycoke | Nov 24 2024 20:59 utc | 94
Posted by: ElbowRoom | Nov 24 2024 16:56 utc | 27
Interesting.
Of course it is obvious that the west is goading Russia towards an attack on a NATO nation. Russia is resisting as hard as it can but it is getting harder. (You can measure the west's enthusiasm via comments on this blog, where trolls encouraging Russia's direct response abound).
So the question is why? Lance's idea that the US has some secret powerful weapon certainly is possible and indeed that may be exactly why Russia is resisting being caught in the trap. Certainly the west remains filled with hubris, so perhaps this is right.
However it is probable that Russia is well aware of this possibility and is working very, very, very hard to develop a counter measure.
But for the war mongering trolls here, Russia will not start WWIII until it is pretty damn sure it will win. It will be the job of the USA to start WWIII. Who wins is yet to be known except we ordinary people are all losers.
Posted by: watcher | Nov 24 2024 21:01 utc | 95
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 20:43 utc | 92
Yesterday they were 10000, tomorrow they will be 100000, a few days more and aliens will be fighting in Kursk.
Posted by: Mario | Nov 24 2024 21:04 utc | 96
Larsbo @ 93
Panic!!! If Oreshnyk attacks Lviv and there will be a fair warning, for example, then in 20 minutes we will have a mass panic and a tidal wave towards Poland and Slovakia
I think that's the point. It must be terribly hard for Putin, and certainly for Medvedev, to not go - BOO! Would be for me.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 24 2024 21:11 utc | 97
Interesting technical description
Now I am scared: the New Oreshnik Missile Attack on Dnipro
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 24 2024 21:15 utc | 98
blue angel = it's the jews.... i skip over their posts..
Posted by: james | Nov 24 2024 21:25 utc | 99
Can somebody drop a hazelnut on Blue Angel? That's some really poor trolling. Really poor.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 24 2024 21:27 utc | 100
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Here in britain the public are being told to prepare for war in the uk, by keeping a weeks supply of food in the house.
So thats alright then.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 24 2024 15:22 utc | 1