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November 21, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-279
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Good morning Ukraine!
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/130726
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 21 2024 11:39 utc | 1
Last night, Russian forces carried out another attack on Ukrainian territories. The most significant was the strike on the industrial enterprise “Yuzhmash” in Dnipro, during which an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) could have been used.
According to some signs, an ICBM (evident from the characteristic separating warheads) was indeed likely used, which would be the first successful combat use of such a weapon system in the history of military conflicts.
The warheads were in a non-nuclear configuration. Although there are rumors about the RS-26 “Rubezh”, the type of missile is not reliably known. Ukrainian forces were unable to shoot down the ICBM, as evidenced by the footage of the impacts.
❗️This can be seen as a clear signal to the sponsors of the so-called Ukraine (especially on the anniversary of the Maidan) against the backdrop of the West’s permission to use long-range missiles. How well they understood it – time will tell. But today’s strike is indeed a non-trivial move, as nothing like this has happened before.
And there are reasons to believe that this will not be the last such use.
DDGeopolitics
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 21 2024 11:41 utc | 2
I think Russia should hit missile manufacturing plants in UK. hit US missile storage facilities in Europe. If France and Germany allow use of their missiles against Russia, the hit their missile manufacturing facilities. This assumes any real damage is inflicted on Russia by these missiles, which in time will likely occur. Thoughts?
Posted by: Mike | Nov 21 2024 11:44 utc | 3
NATO will know that this was an ICBM, which it was; the signal has been sent. It suits both sides to pretend it wasn’t, for obvious reasons.
I doubt we will see much more in the way of missile escalation from NATO if they have paid attention to the message, which conceivably they may not.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 21 2024 11:54 utc | 4
ICBMs have a long ballistic arc, not hundreds but thousands of miles, of course it could have been launched from eastern Russia, in which case most of the world’s militaries would have proof of it, someone disliking Russia would surely show it. What nonsense.
They are manufacturing fear, I’ll repost my comment from the end of the last thread:
I’ve have a distinct feeling that the BBC has been bought by the Marvel Comics franchise but the news hasn’t been released yet.
I need to call up my friends for coffee, same ones that said, “Did you hear about the North Korean soldiers fighting in Ukraine!”
“Did you hear about the ICBM the Russians dropped on Ukraine!”
The message is: They Are Coming For Us. Getting Closer. The Asian Hoards Are Here. The Are Powerful And Relentless. It’ll Take Everything We Have To Stop Them. Don’t Falter, Stay Strong, Stay United. Don’t Use Your Brain.
That’s what they are manufacturing. These “ridiculous” stories aren’t isolated and are more than clickbait.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 21 2024 11:55 utc | 5
ICBMs have a long ballistic arc, not hundreds but thousands of miles, of course it could have been launched from eastern Russia, in which case most of the world’s militaries would have proof of it, someone disliking Russia would surely show it. What nonsense.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 21 2024 11:55 utc | 5
Not at all, I would think it wouldnt be in the west interests to admit/prove this, as it damages the ongoing narrative of ‘Putin weak’
Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 21 2024 12:04 utc | 6
@ LightYearsFromHome | Nov 21 2024 11:55 utc | 5
Then what do you suggest it was?
Have you watched the videos where in a very short timespan up to a dozen missiles strike at an extremely high speed. That you easily shrugg off the possibility that it was indeed an ICBM (as a warning to the USA/NATO) is a bit prematurely, I think.
Posted by: NoName | Nov 21 2024 12:08 utc | 7
Is it wise (or to expensive) to use ICBM in non nuclear configuration?
Posted by: Salmon | Nov 21 2024 12:15 utc | 8
Is it wise (or to expensive) to use ICBM in non nuclear configuration?
Posted by: Salmon | Nov 21 2024 12:15 utc | 8
For demonstration/message sending purposes its worth it definitely. It’s the first time an ICBM has ever been used in combat. A huge signal has been sent. The ball is in NATO’s court.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 21 2024 12:17 utc | 9
So USA and UK directly strike Russia and Russia powerfully strikes back … at Ukraine. That will surely teach the attackers a lesson! “Watch out, or the other guy gets it!” This whole things is a farce.
Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 21 2024 12:18 utc | 10
Expensive rocket, but congrats Russia for testing one if they actually did. First one ever used in military conflicts, but deaf western ears wont hear the message I am afraid.
Posted by: Jzo | Nov 21 2024 12:19 utc | 11
The biggest weapon in NATO’s arsenal isn’t a weapon in the traditional sense. It’s the massive, self-reinforcing psychological paradigm it maintains. That is why we see such a massive focus on psychological operations, as well as why there are so many military operations whose stated purpose is to “demonstrate resolve.”
Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Nov 21 2024 12:19 utc | 12
>> For demonstration/message sending purposes its worth it definitely. It’s the first time an ICBM has ever been used in combat. A huge signal has been sent. The ball is in NATO’s court.
>> Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 21 2024 12:17 utc | 9
USA and UK are unharmed. Not even a scratch. Russia just invited them to keep using ATACMS and Storm Shadows until they run out.
Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 21 2024 12:20 utc | 13
Is it wise (or to expensive) to use ICBM in non nuclear configuration?
Posted by: Salmon | Nov 21 2024 12:15 utc | 8
For demonstration/message sending purposes its worth it definitely. It’s the first time an ICBM has ever been used in combat. A huge signal has been sent. The ball is in NATO’s court.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 21 2024 12:17 utc | 9
Don’t forget, Mr. Minuteman, our stuff works, reliably.
Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 21 2024 12:22 utc | 14
USA and UK are unharmed. Not even a scratch. Russia just invited them to keep using ATACMS and Storm Shadows until they run out.
Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 21 2024 12:20 utc | 13
I think you are underplaying the seriousness of this ICBM strike, This time it wasnt nuclear, but the fact that this has even been used at all suggests that next time it will be.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 21 2024 12:22 utc | 15
Not sure what the Yuzhmash plant did or who owns it, but there goes another chunk of Ukrainian GDP.
Pretty soon their economy will rank below Haiti.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 21 2024 12:25 utc | 16
A nuclear strike on the Ukraine is what NATO has been baiting Russia into from the start. I hope the Russians realize this.
Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Nov 21 2024 12:25 utc | 17
>> I think you are underplaying the seriousness of this ICBM strike, This time it wasnt nuclear, but the fact that this has even been used at all suggests that next time it will be.
>> Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 21 2024 12:22 utc | 15
So you think Russia’s argument is “we threaten next time to do something” (and who would be the target – Ukraine again, instead of the instigators?). The time for threats has gone long ago and NATO must be completely shocked at Russia’s passivity.
Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 21 2024 12:26 utc | 18
So you think Russia’s argument is “we threaten next time to do something” (and who would be the target – Ukraine again, instead of the instigators?). The time for threats has gone long ago and NATO must be completely shocked at Russia’s passivity.
Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 21 2024 12:26 utc | 18
Let’s face it, a Storm Shadow looks incredibly pathetic next to an ICBM. That is probably the comparison the Russians are trying to make. Again it bears worth repeating, this is the FIRST TIME EVER than an ICBM has been used in combat.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 21 2024 12:29 utc | 19
Reports on Telegram suggest that Russia used several ICBMs with MIRVs (videos of grouped hypersonic warheads re-entering atmosphere in a vertical trajectory support this).
This is the first time in the entire history of Warfare that an ICBM has been used in combat.
Speculation is that the kinetic energy effect was used to destroy an underground facility of some description, with one commentator saying their was an “Avostal” like bunker complex under the factory hit.
Posted by: Underclass View | Nov 21 2024 12:30 utc | 20
Kinetic? Delayed fuses? Deep underground targets?
The natzo mission programmers for the atacms/storm shadow have to be close to the launchers presumably and feel like they are as safe as being at home in their cribs.
I wonder how safe they feel today ?
ICBM with multiple warheads???? I thought they are supposed to fall far apart to cover distant targets. The video looks like these are coming down in close batches and very fast as if under their own power. But I could be wrong. New Wars always has New Tech. Drones have changed much already. So have hypersonics. What else is in the Dragon Bears laboratories to impress the Waste.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2024 12:35 utc | 21
A demonstration, but also a way to “test” the adequacy of the ICBM.
Lessons have surely been learned. Next step is likely to be delivery of technology to Russian allies and factions they sympathize with.
Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Nov 21 2024 12:47 utc | 22
assuming that it was actually an ICBM strike, I think it was a great move. While very expensive, testing it in real life against air defenses and seeing if the mirvs all hit their designated targets was worthwhile. So, yeah, Russia is using Ukraine as a proving/testing ground for their new weapons. And they are passing with lying colors…
Posted by: ctiger | Nov 21 2024 12:49 utc | 23
The time for threats has gone long ago and NATO must be completely shocked at Russia’s passivity.
Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 21 2024 12:26 utc | 18
Strategy is a sport for cold blooded individuals. Risks assessment is a thing in any sport.
How confident are you in Brandon’s team not replying with nukes once hit with anything ? Or the brits (those guys look like much mentally balanced to any observer right… right ?)
Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 21 2024 12:55 utc | 24
assuming that it was actually an ICBM strike, I think it was a great move. While very expensive, testing it in real life against air defenses and seeing if the mirvs all hit their designated targets was worthwhile. So, yeah, Russia is using Ukraine as a proving/testing ground for their new weapons. And they are passing with lying colors…
Posted by: ctiger | Nov 21 2024 12:49 utc | 23
Completely agree – its a win/win scenario. Russia has asserted escalation dominance (Storm Shadows vs. ICBM) and got to test out some weaponry.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 21 2024 12:57 utc | 25
oops, meant “flying colors”…. In regards to the ATCMS, storm shadows. believe it is time for the symbolic move of breaking diplomatic relations with the US, Great Britain and France. It can’t be “business as usual”, the Russian populace will (or already) be putting pressure on President Putin to act. JMHO
Posted by: ctiger | Nov 21 2024 12:59 utc | 26
I think the significance lies there that two US Minuteman test launches failed, as did two British test launches of Trident.
I know of no successful western ICBM test launches at all.
Posted by: Catilina | Nov 21 2024 13:03 utc | 27
This was the most ridiculous action by the Russian Federation so far. I have always had a more than skeptical feeling when it comes to Putin and the Kremlin Bagage… My hope was always that the Stavka would take over the reins of action at a critical point ( and thus de facto the state power) and does what has to be done to destroy the Yankees…This hope is now dying more and more…The Kaker, shadowbanned etc. (same person??) are unfortunately right with theirs forecasts…One must now be very worried about the future of the Russian Federation…For almost forty years there has been a single betrayal of the Russian people.
Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 21 2024 13:09 utc | 28
China named a new ambassador in Kiev. His excellency Ma “served as Deputy Director General of the Department of Arms Control of the Chinese Foreign Ministry” .
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202411/1323509.shtml (lots of diplomatic blah-blah in the article …peace , cooperation and a lot of bells & whistles.)
When you send an arms inspector as ambassador, what message did you purposely send to the rest of the world ? Wouldn’t it be funny to see the Don naming Scott Ritter as ambassador in Kiev ? (Let’s just hope for Scott he won’t be send in that sinking ship of a country.)
Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 21 2024 13:09 utc | 29
I wondered what Yuzhmash was and found this reference:
From Wikipedia ((Redirected from Yuzhmash)
“Pivdenmash produces spacecraft, launch vehicles (rockets), liquid-propellant rockets, landing gears, castings, forgings, tractors, tools, and industrial products. The company is headquartered in Dnipro, and reports to the State Space Agency of Ukraine. It works with international aerospace partners in 23 countries.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA_Pivdenmash
So prime target then sending a wake-up call to NATO.
Posted by: Deskscape | Nov 21 2024 13:10 utc | 30
Yuzhmash is a Ukrainian state-owned enterprise that made ICBMs in the Soviet era.
Later repurposed the designs for satellite launches. Various countries seem to have been trying to do something with their rocket and engine designs (which look almost identical to my eyes to Soviet SS-18 ICBMs).
I guess the target they hit (with ICBM MIRV dummy vehicles?) sends a message too. Interesting stuff.
https://www.space.com/ukraine-mighty-space-industry-faces-obliteration
Posted by: billb | Nov 21 2024 13:12 utc | 31
Congrats Russia, you just donated remnants of your ICBM for NATO intelligence to study. 3000 iq
Posted by: Baby Waffle | Nov 21 2024 13:12 utc | 32
Note that Yushmash was the factory of Soviet nuclear missiles.
Posted by: Passerby | Nov 21 2024 13:18 utc | 33
Double tap?
https://t.me/belarusian_silovik/44846
https://t.me/belarusian_silovik/44847
“They say that the ICBM has flown to Dnepropetrovsk again. Well, let’s check now. Flight time is about 5 minutes.”
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Nov 21 2024 13:21 utc | 34
[…] NATO intelligence […]
Posted by: Baby Waffle | Nov 21 2024 13:12 utc | 32
What now?
Posted by: Arctaroll | Nov 21 2024 13:23 utc | 35
It looked like fire from heaven.
https://t.me/intelslava/70226?single
Posted by: Surferket | Nov 21 2024 13:23 utc | 36
What is the maximum rainge of one of those inter-continentail missiles ?
For instance could one re-landscape the whitehouse lawn with one of those babys.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 21 2024 13:27 utc | 38
…Congrats Russia, you just donated remnants of your ICBM for NATO intelligence to study…
Posted by: Baby Waffle | Nov 21 2024 13:12 utc | 32
“And videos to see, and sounds to hear…”
You CIPSO guys are so desperate for any resemlance of a win, any positive sign al all
Posted by: Poslan1 | Nov 21 2024 13:27 utc | 39
Ukrainian mass media write from the afternoon that Russia for the first time used a RS-26 missile to strike the workshops of the Yuzhmash plant in Moscow. Dnepropetrovsk. Initially, the rocket was designed as a lightweight ICBM, capable of delivering strikes at a distance of up to 5,500 km without violating the INF treaty kilometers. Its development was completed in the noughties, but it never went into the series, it was replaced by Avangard.
The RS-26 warhead at a distance of 2500 km from the Kapustin Yar test site can be up to 4 tons. Perhaps in such an elegant way, the remnants of experimental rockets decided to write off.
https://voenhronika.ru/publ/vojna_na_ukraine/21_11_2024_mogushhestvennyj_raketnyj_udar_po_dnepropetrovsku_4_tonny_v_odin_cekh_karta_boevykh_dejstvij_na_ukraine_soncovka_kurakhovo_14_video/60-1-0-15872 (via translation add-on.)
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 21 2024 13:28 utc | 40
Only the Ukrainian people can stop this conflict, before Ukraine is destroyed.
Even if Zelensky manages to make the war global, Ukraine will be destroyed.
Posted by: jared | Nov 21 2024 13:28 utc | 41
If the Yankees and the Brits can attack Mother Russia with complete impunity, then you know what time it is…
Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 21 2024 13:29 utc | 42
Posted by: ctiger | Nov 21 2024 12:49 utc | 23
Could be but it’s wrong to be so sure because at this moment all conclusions are based 100% on what Ukro media says today, which was what Nato MSM already said yesterday, they even named the missile model. So if icbm was used, then Nato knew days ago, so it means they could not care less about the “message”. And it puts the other weapons in a bad light, it’ll be hard to sell missiles if you have to use ICBMs at your border, on the same C, to hit a target.
Posted by: rk | Nov 21 2024 13:30 utc | 43
That DDGeopolitics vid looks exactly like the Iranian missile strike on the Mossad-USA base in Erbil, Iraq in 2022, and like the bigger missile hits recently against Israel. No one anywhere claimed that those were MIRV’d ICBMs. I’m no missile blast expert so no point suing me.
I still say there are no targets worthy of such capacity, an ICBM, conventional or nuclear, in Ukraine, but there are in Poland and Romania. As Zelensky correctly stated, there’s no point talking about it, the missiles will do the talking. I don’t believe Kiev is more concise and smarter than Moscow. That ICBM story like the N.Korean troops story best serves the western manufacturing and ramping up of fear in their subjects. Trump will escalate to a new level, you are witnessing the narrative ground work.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 21 2024 13:31 utc | 44
S/F reporting that the missile was shooting blanks – just a demonstration.
Posted by: jared | Nov 21 2024 13:34 utc | 45
@ Posted by: Deskscape | Nov 21 2024 13:10 utc | 30
‘State space agency of ukropia..’. Bandera in Space!! Lol.
I don’t take lightly the prospect that our MIC/Dr Strangelove/Musk types also have secret wunderwaffen not yet deployed; beyond the chemical (Novichok) and biological (GoF Covid) that we have seen some of and heard more about.
The sick bastard warmongers and banker tools are maybe waiting to see what else the RF has got, before revealing their secret weapon! Every time they do there is no demo to warn off the enemy; it is direct use aginst civilians mostly. At Nagasaki, Hiroshima. The biologicals on Korea.The gas and trench warfare of WW1.
That’s always the pirate robber barons hope of winning a direct war between their CW minions and RoW. Well if not win, at least not totally unconditionally lose.
So they get away with the plunder and murder.
Maybe that’s what got blasted in last nights attack – the Martians are safe from Banderists claiming that Mars was always ancient ukropian. that’ll piss off Elon.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2024 13:34 utc | 46
It appears that rung 18 on Kahn’s escalation ladder has just been reached…
https://cognitive-liberty.online/kahns-escalation-ladder/
Posted by: Herman D Boring | Nov 21 2024 13:34 utc | 47
For demonstration/message sending purposes its worth it definitely. It’s the first time an ICBM has ever been used in combat. A huge signal has been sent. The ball is in NATO’s court.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 21 2024 12:17 utc | 9
Can Ukrainians now steal some Russian technology form the missile wreckage?
Posted by: Salmon | Nov 21 2024 13:41 utc | 48
Stuff of which dystopian novels are made of.
36 missiles simultaneously with meteoric speed on a large city.
Would like to see what crater is leaves.
Posted by: alek_a | Nov 21 2024 13:43 utc | 49
Posted by: Salmon | Nov 21 2024 13:41 utc | 48
At the speed these entered, I will be surprised if there is anything solid left after impact.
Posted by: alek_a | Nov 21 2024 13:44 utc | 50
US behaving like a gay man, but with someone else’s ass.
Posted by: jared | Nov 21 2024 13:46 utc | 51
Posted by: Baby Waffle | Nov 21 2024 13:12 utc | 32
Idiots like yourself are probably looking forward to ‘NATO intelligence’ examining the aftermath of a nuclear strike.
Perhaps it will make a pleasant change for ‘NATO intelligence’ who are used to examining the misfired ejaculate of British submarines.
I can save them the bother of examining by giving you the conclusion: Russian ICBMs work and precisely hit their target. NATO ICBMs don’t work.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Nov 21 2024 13:51 utc | 52
What also interests me, is if NATOs early warning system was triggered by an ICBM launch?
As far as I know there is a high degree of automation there, even triggering counter launches without a human in the loop at some level of readiness.
Posted by: alek_a | Nov 21 2024 13:52 utc | 53
nasams, patriots, iris-t, hawks, all those airdefenses sent to ukraine, and the drunk russian hypersonic washingmashines dont give a f*ck.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 21 2024 13:58 utc | 54
Congratulatiins to the west. You finaly woke up the sleeping Russian bear, be carefull what you wish for.
Congratulations Russia you have shown the west 3 years of restraint and forbearance, dispite having to witness the western brutal murder of nearly two million of your fellow Slaves. The wests campgain of eugenics.
Similar to Palistian.
And for all your sanity and determination not to esculate, the west are too stupid to see that as stregth.
As you know….
Time to take the gloves off and fight this war directly on the citys of america.
Lets see dead inocent american bodys stacked high.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 21 2024 14:02 utc | 55
Can anyone actually read this first before commenting?
https://www.southfront.press/russia-showed-its-dooms-day-weapon-in-action/
Posted by: Surferket | Nov 21 2024 14:09 utc | 56
I double checked, the Masno ref comes from Pravda but the link doesn’t work from MoA, google “President of the… -> …Pinkus” will get you there. Pravda site seemed a bit weird, very generic, but ICANN and WhoIS shows it’s .ru. The Pinkus character turns out to be a minor GOP player in the Brooklyn NY GOP. Doesn’t mean it’s real news but it’s not just made up by a site on TG:
Trump supported Biden’s decision to grant permission to Ukraine to strike deep into the Russian Federation, – President of the Republican Club Boris Pinkus.
“Biden shared his plan and discussed it with Trump and received a positive response. Trump’s policy is peace based on strength.”
Meanwhile, Bloomberg, Reuters and the Telegraph confirm the attack on the Russian Federation by Storm Shadow missiles.
“>https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/15918
The Biden Trump meeting seemed clear to me, so I have little doubt this isn’t true. “Trump’s policy is peace based on strength,” same old shit, throughout human history warmongering was always based on “peace through strength” it’s been the rallying call of all USA mass murder and destruction for my entire life. “Fight for peace, war forever” is the warning but forever is exactly what the USA strives for and thrives on.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 21 2024 14:09 utc | 57
>> Congratulatiins to the west. You finaly woke up the sleeping Russian bear, be carefull what you wish for.
>> Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 21 2024 14:02 utc | 55
Putin did nothing at all. Worse than nothing – he attacked the wrong country in response.
Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 21 2024 14:10 utc | 58
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 21 2024 11:55 utc | 5
The tweet I saw last night (Geroman? Ayden?) mentioned the city it was sent from. Pretty sure it was central or east.
Posted by: Mary | Nov 21 2024 14:10 utc | 59
I, for one, am looking forward to a wave of comments from those who complain Russia is weak because it is doing nothing that doing something is also weak.
Posted by: boneless | Nov 21 2024 14:13 utc | 60
Posted by: alek_a | Nov 21 2024 13:52 utc | 53
Of course an ICBM launch would trigger an automatism…Like in the Cold War…There are 5 documented cases where nuclear Armageddon was only prevented by “human error”…Human error means that people refused to press the red button. And these people weren’t rewarded for it, no, they were demoted and some were put in prison…
So you can see that everything is a scam…
Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 21 2024 14:20 utc | 61
Congrats Russia, you just donated remnants of your ICBM for NATO intelligence to study. 3000 iq
Posted by: Baby Waffle | Nov 21 2024 13:12 utc | 32
The last time the new Russian drone Ohotnik fell into AFU territory and Nato sent a ‘special team’ to investigate it, RUAF smacked them with an Iskander and took out the drone while at it.
I doubt they will allow Nato to see these either.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 21 2024 14:20 utc | 62
Surferket @ 56
Southfront is a good aggregator of pro Russia SMO info, and their speculation is fine too, but it’s just part of the social media echo chamber, bouncing around the same tidbits of speculation and vids as everyone else. However that bit of cute theater from Zakharova and Lavrov has me convinced, these guys are pros and I know wry comedy when I see it, so I’ll hesitantly concede. Bring on the ICBMs!
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 21 2024 14:25 utc | 63
ivanislav@13…..what runs out first, NATO LRWs, or big fat juicy Russian targets?
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 21 2024 14:25 utc | 64
More vids & a still
https://x.com/squatsons/status/1859555264523010118
Posted by: Mary | Nov 21 2024 14:27 utc | 65
@Surferket | Nov 21 2024 14:09 utc | 56
Can anyone actually read this first before commenting?
https://www.southfront.press/russia-showed-its-dooms-day-weapon-in-action/
I think this quote from the link above is important (my emphasis):
Moscow responded to the strikes with NATO missiles on Russian territory in a sophisticated manner, giving a clear sign to Western warmongers.
I think we should add that the response was also delivered on Russian territory.
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 21 2024 14:28 utc | 66
Russia defended his country sucssesfully for 3 years.
The mans a Legend.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 21 2024 14:29 utc | 67
…Worse than nothing – he attacked the wrong country in response.
Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 21 2024 14:10 utc | 58
Ri-i-i-i-ight! Totally unprovocked!
The famous Ukie whine “Why us?”
Posted by: Rutte | Nov 21 2024 14:33 utc | 68
That looked like a MIRV launched by a ballistic missile. If true, it is possibly the first ever use of MIRV in combat.
Posted by: a stone | Nov 21 2024 14:34 utc | 69
Reportedly it is not an ICBM, it could be an MRBM not exceeding a range of 5500 km. Reminder that US withdrew from the INF treaty in 2019.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 21 2024 14:36 utc | 70
Correction to my above Putin not Russia.
One handed commenting whilst munching large bacon sandwhich. Sorry
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 21 2024 14:36 utc | 71
Perhaps I am missing something.
Previously the mantra was that if one launches an ICBM there is no way to determine what kind of warhead(s) it has and the action would be to assume it was a nuke and act accordingly.
Not doing that and expecting that western ICBM warning systems determined where it was headed, implies that they willfully decided to not engage the “ICBM” as they were fine with the target’s destruction. This may say something about the state of western anti-ICBM capabilities.
Posted by: Student of History | Nov 21 2024 14:37 utc | 72
Posted by: Student of History | Nov 21 2024 14:37 utc | 72
The test also most likely included SIGINT and HUMINT measurement of western anti-ICBM capabilities. The conclusion could be that they are very weak.
The west, or Nato only knew of the launch after the strike was caught and released on video.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 21 2024 14:40 utc | 73
You are all a bit slow. The MIRV capability Russia just demonstrated means it is simple to do a decapitation strike on all Minuteman silos. That has always been what the Sarmat/Avangard system was about. Minutemen are static located in silos and are a 60 to 70 year old system of dubious integrity or reliability. The 14 nuclear armed US subs are all continuously tracked and as easy to blow out of water, simultaneously, as an aircraft carrier. Russia is not much afraid of our ‘strategic’ bombers, museum piece B-52s.
Could a decap strike actually be pulled off? It is closer than it was yesterday. FAFO.
Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 21 2024 14:41 utc | 74
a deluded coworker just said:
“putin is out of missiles, now they have to use their expensive and limited icbms!”
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 21 2024 14:42 utc | 75
Almost three years into the SlogMow and Russia blew up some big plant that manufactured major war components….didn’t it? Seems like a big waste to blow up….. nothing. Where and how did 404 hide this major plant under Russia’s nose? Better question how much kick back graft did MOD minions receive to pass on such a big fat juicy target, for sooooo long……how not to win a war.
I read NATO is designating this new missle, the You Better Behave Or Else rocket……
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 21 2024 14:44 utc | 76
The nuke strike you have when you’re not having a nuke strike. Works for me. Is an ICBM just a ‘long range missile’ if it’s not crossing continents?
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Nov 21 2024 14:50 utc | 77
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 21 2024 14:44 utc | 76
Don’t think the Yuzmash plant hasn’t been attacked some times before, because it has been.
However, the information sources say the plant has layers above ground but workshops also below ground. If I were to guess, earlier weapons did not reach below ground layers. Sending steel rods from the sky will surely reach underground facilities, so we might with high reliability consider the plant finished off for good.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 21 2024 14:50 utc | 78
Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 21 2024 14:41 utc | 74
Why is such a decapitation strike not carried out then? It would free the world from its greatest scourge in one fell swoop and pave the way to a freer future…
Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 21 2024 14:51 utc | 79
Silly Russians.
Wrong coordinates.
Supposed to be 10 Downing St.
Posted by: kupkee | Nov 21 2024 14:53 utc | 80
>> However, the information sources say the plant has layers above ground but workshops also below ground. If I were to guess, earlier weapons did not reach below ground layers. Sending steel rods from the sky will surely reach underground facilities, so we might with high reliability consider the plant finished off for good.
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>> Posted by: unimperator | Nov 21 2024 14:50 utc | 78
So Russia decided to attack at night when the strikes would kill few or no specialists? Smart…
Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 21 2024 14:55 utc | 81
Using an ICBM or an MRBM in a combat scenario like this is tap-dancing on the edge of the MAD nuclear abyss. If Russia used this weapon against the UK we wouldn’t be talking about it, we would all be dead following the full nuclear exchange.
No one advocating for using this outside of a demonstration of capability and escalation management should be taken seriously. They are behaving like struck children.
Posted by: a stone | Nov 21 2024 14:56 utc | 82
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 21 2024 14:36 utc | 70
Reportedly it is not an ICBM, it could be an MRBM not exceeding a range of 5500 km. Reminder that US withdrew from the INF treaty in 2019.
US broke INF long before withdrawing. I’m convinced, Russia did not – so no MR. As being severely classified, Southfront will take existing western wild guesses. Disinformation and propaganda included.
Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 21 2024 14:56 utc | 83
Student of History @ 72
This may say something about the state of western anti-ICBM capabilities.
It stayed within Russian and SMO territory, supposedly entire time launch to hit was 5 minutes. The RF could have given a warning to the USA the way Iran warned Israel, hopefully something curt like, “duck, you suckers” but in Russian, by the time they translate it – Boom.
ivanislav @ 58
he attacked the wrong country in response.
That industrial site for sure was long abandoned. He hit a whole lot of nothing, which was the point. I don’t believe in missile strikes sent as messages but in the end I’m just a dog on the internet. Woof.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 21 2024 14:56 utc | 84
During Soviet times, Yushmash produced up to two nuclear missiles per week. SS-18 Satan were manufactured there.
Posted by: Passerby | Nov 21 2024 15:00 utc | 85
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 21 2024 14:42 utc | 75
“putin is out of missiles, now they have to use their expensive and limited icbms!”
Hypersonic washing machines. Love the name.
Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 21 2024 15:00 utc | 86
Lol. Yes but No we didn’t do nuffink not that No but yeah but no … oh Maria! she is a star!
Fucking gurrning Miller at WH gets a lesson in not denying without denying without admitting…
‘❗️The moment Russian Foreign Ministry spokes person Maria Zakharova receives a random mystery phone call during a LIVE press briefing from a man instructing her “not to comment on the ballistic missiles strikes on Yuzhmash”.
😲This is amazing. So much to speculate here. We truly live in amazing times.
😁Did the Russian MFA allow this phone call to be heard during a live press conference? If so, this is next level trolling or AI?
🎙Subscribe @AussieCossack ‘
Worth watching if you can find it not on telegraph!
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2024 15:00 utc | 87
@unimperator | Nov 21 2024 14:50 utc | 78
However, the information sources say the plant has layers above ground but workshops also below ground. If I were to guess, earlier weapons did not reach below ground layers. Sending steel rods from the sky will surely reach underground facilities, so we might with high reliability consider the plant finished off for good.
Yes, the infamous “rods of god”. Apparently the strikes generated very loud sounds
‼️🇷🇺💥🇺🇦🏴☠️ There were some abnormally strong strikes in Dnepropetrovsk. The explosions were so loud that they could be heard 20 kilometers away.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/134695
‼️🇷🇺💥🇺🇦🏴☠️ Strikes on the Yuzhmash plant tonight. It is clearly visible that several warheads are involved in each strike.
Either these are many missiles with a single warhead at once, or some fundamentally new weapon that has not been used before.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/134698
The incredible speed of the impactors, very loud sounds but no sign of explosions seems to indicate extremely high energy kinetic impacts, probably designed to destroy underground facilities in addition to “sending a massage” to everyone else.
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 21 2024 15:08 utc | 88
Justpassinby @ 75
a deluded coworker just said:
“putin is out of missiles, now they have to use their expensive and limited icbms!”
Aww dude, I just swung into the ICBM camp, hearing that I want to swing back into the msm manufacturing fear camp. I usually use the sheeple as my weathervane. Programed trigger word responses are the best indicator there’s been a change in the Matrix.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 21 2024 15:08 utc | 89
If Russia used this weapon against the UK we wouldn’t be talking about it, we would all be dead following the full nuclear exchange.
Posted by: a stone | Nov 21 2024 14:56 utc | 82
The Orkneys would survive, no doubt.
Posted by: Passerby | Nov 21 2024 15:08 utc | 90
Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 21 2024 14:41 utc | 74
Could a decap strike actually be pulled off? It is closer than it was yesterday. FAFO.
My guess is, Russia has first strike capabilities. Whatever Andrei Martjanov talks about – he is silent about this. Russia will not use them, though. “Peace through strength” is some dangerous talking point, by off reality people. Sadly, blowing up Dniepropetrovsk will not wake them up.
Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 21 2024 15:11 utc | 91
Larsbo @ 79
Most of the gaming on this is done with a set of 1950s assumptions. Take a guess who has the better game plan.
If the plan has 95% chance of success and a 5% chance of planetary extinction most sane people would not play. Currently all planning has to be done on basis of one player is barking mad.
Then what if chances are only 50/50?
The strongest card West has in its hand just now is the perception that it is barking mad. This requires periodic demonstration. It is dangerous.
Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 21 2024 15:12 utc | 92
Soooo…. the rich are fleeing Dnepropetrovsk
❗️🇷🇺💥🇺🇦🏴☠️ In Dnepropetrovsk, the local rich abruptly gathered to leave.
Caravans of expensive cars pulled out of the city. Everything is cordoned off near Yuzhmash, there are a lot of special services. They jam communications and satellites.
The city, which the Ukrainian authorities promised that they would come to an agreement with the Russians, is in shock.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/134705
We can only guess what is left of Yuzhmash, probably not much.
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 21 2024 15:15 utc | 93
unimperator @ 78
Sending steel rods from the sky will surely reach underground facilities, so we might with high reliability consider the plant finished off for good.
Norwegian @ 88
Yes, the infamous “rods of god”
Biblical indeed. A strike like this on February 24th, 2022 on NATO headquarters in Brussels and there likely would be no war now. Say, at around 10:30am on a working day and the EU would have lost most of its Killer Clowns. Missed opportunity.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 21 2024 15:15 utc | 94
Incredible video
Missiles are hitting the Dnieper again (Dnepropetrovsk)
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/134718
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 21 2024 15:19 utc | 95
Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 21 2024 15:11 utc | 91 “My guess is, Russia has first strike capabilities”
All the nuclear powers have “first strike” capabilities. The problem is that most of the nuclear powers have second strike capabilities.
Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 21 2024 15:20 utc | 96
Worth watching if you can find it not on telegraph!
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2024 15:00 utc | 87
It’s on Southfront if you can get into the doomsday article. Scroll well down. The 3rd vid.
Posted by: Mary | Nov 21 2024 15:21 utc | 97
unimperator@78….if that took over 2.5 years to accomplish, then Russia has nothing to deter FUKUS other than nukes……
Cheers M
…the issue, for most, Russia has yet to deter FUKUS in any way shape or form, unless dead meat up and down the Ukie LOCC is what they think will win the fight. NATO has already gamed out the fodder rate to keep Russia tied up until they come to the negotiation table….that’s what their partners want that’s what their allies need, only little DPRK helping, sort of, in the media sphere, that’s it. No coalition standing behind Russia no Allies taking on the Axis, well some shipping disruptions, inconvenience at best.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 21 2024 15:22 utc | 98
Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 21 2024 15:20 utc | 96
First strike capability refers to the ability to make the first strike so powerful/successful to prevent any nuclear strike back.
No nuclear power appear to have that capability.
Posted by: Mario | Nov 21 2024 15:26 utc | 99
Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 21 2024 14:56 utc | 83 “Reminder that US withdrew from the INF treaty in 2019.”
Before the US withdrawal, the US had argued that the RS-26 was a violation of the INF as far back as 2014.
Here is something on it from 2017: https://russianforces.org/blog/2017/07/rs-26_and_other_intermediate-r.shtml
Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 21 2024 15:26 utc | 100