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November 17, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-276
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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After 3 years of war the NATO-supported Ukrainian military is at its weakest point… Posted by: TJandTheBear | Nov 17 2024 20:47 utc | 101 Biden authorizes strikes in Russia, just a few days after a US missile base is opened in Redzikowo, Poland, about 250km (155 miles) from the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad. Posted by: Passerby | Nov 17 2024 20:47 utc | 102 Posted by: vargas | Nov 17 2024 20:32 utc | 88 Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 17 2024 20:48 utc | 103 Let’s review the basics once again. Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 17 2024 20:50 utc | 104 Darkness my old friend, I have come after almost 3 years to talk with you again. The Iraq and everthing NATO doctrine takes out the electricty at the beginning of the battle. Now we see Russia doing it at the end of the battle. Posted by: steve | Nov 17 2024 20:52 utc | 105 This authorization of long range attacks into Russia is a consequence of Putin’s “cautions approach”. Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 17 2024 20:53 utc | 106 A serious and potentially very consequential policy change occurring during the lame-duck interregnum. Simultaneously irresponsible and contemptuous of democratic procedure and the expressed will of the voters. There is certainly a lot of precedent for these types of movies, federally and particularly at state level. It amounts to a sort of tantrum and highlights a core adolescent emotional imbalance animating partisan U.S. policy making. Hard to avoid the sense that something very bad is about to result. Posted by: jayc | Nov 17 2024 20:56 utc | 107 This authorization of long range attacks into Russia is a consequence of Putin’s “cautions approach”. Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Nov 17 2024 20:57 utc | 108 This authorization of long range attacks into Russia is a consequence of Putin’s “cautions approach”. Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Nov 17 2024 21:02 utc | 109
Agreed and I think it’s quite clear. Also fits with the billions they found the other day. Posted by: Konami | Nov 17 2024 21:02 utc | 110 Trubind1 @ 91
The greens work for the CIA, Merz is BlackRock which is the private sector branch of the CIA, and Scholz is so tangled up and compromised in financial corruption that he might as well have had a Bungalow with his name on the door on Epstein Island. Like good (and bad) Germans the entire lot will follow orders. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 17 2024 21:04 utc | 111 What are the odds that Ukraine sends a missile into Kursk (according to MSM) or elsewhere in the next few days? Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Nov 17 2024 21:04 utc | 112 Well, the easiest thing to do is to just finish Ukraine off so they can’t “launch” a thing. Russians to “finish off@ Ukraine. Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 17 2024 21:11 utc | 113 nazi-nato is in a bind here. they have a lack of interceptors for “ukrainian” airdefense, and the latest russian salvo showed to the world how lacklustre their ad truly is. Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 17 2024 21:13 utc | 114 Will Poland launch the missile? That would be suicidal, no? Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Nov 17 2024 21:13 utc | 115 This makes Russia wide open to a decapitation first strike that can be carried out with little fear of immediate retaliation. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Nov 17 2024 21:15 utc | 116 RE: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 17 2024 21:04 utc | 111 Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 17 2024 21:17 utc | 117 Russia has escalation dominance, it will be interesting to see their reaction. The timing is also interesting, given Trump’s recent electoral success, it’s suggestive of an institutional state really feeling existential fear, for possibly the first time in its existence. Like its proxy it’s being assailed from all sides by opponents who have the upper hand. Posted by: Milites | Nov 17 2024 21:23 utc | 118 Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 17 2024 20:50 utc | 104 Posted by: hopehely | Nov 17 2024 21:24 utc | 119 Chaka Khagan @ 112
As Russia succeeds the more dangerous things get, not less. The USA knows this and the Russians know this, and as sure as night follows day it’s what we are now witnessing. If the Ukrainians get pushed across the Dnieper that would be over for Project 404, NATO to save Project 404 would then have to cross the river to establish bridgeheads from scratch and lose thousands of men and hundreds of machines in the process, so it’s now or never, come in while the AFU is still on the eastern side of the river, or face a much tougher war. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 17 2024 21:35 utc | 120 Guardian headline this lovely afternoon: ‘Biden has lifted ban on Ukraine using US weapons to strike deeper into Russia” Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 17 2024 21:35 utc | 121 Storm Shadow’s basically out-of-stock, very few Taurus available, and both require scarce launch platforms so it’s doubtful they can ever even launch. ATACMS launchers are also running low and short range ATACMS are already being successfully defended therefore a longer flight time simply makes them even more likely to also be ineffective. Ukraine’s not getting Tomahawks under any circumstances. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Nov 17 2024 21:37 utc | 122 What are the odds that Ukraine sends a missile into Kursk (according to MSM) or elsewhere in the next few days? Posted by: rk | Nov 17 2024 21:43 utc | 123 Posted by: Ghost of Anonymous | Nov 17 2024 20:29 utc | 85 Posted by: watcher | Nov 17 2024 21:45 utc | 124 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 17 2024 21:35 utc | 121 Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 17 2024 21:45 utc | 125 The Guardian on escalation:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/17/biden-has-lifted-ban-on-ukraine-using-us-weapons-to-strike-deeper-into-russia-reports Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 17 2024 21:46 utc | 126 And Trump was the crazy man who was taking the world to armagedon. Posted by: jpc | Nov 17 2024 21:48 utc | 127 Grrrr!!! People, please just give one tiny corner of your brain to the possibility, nay likelihood, nay downright certainty that this is (have some italicised bolding) Fake News!!! Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 17 2024 21:49 utc | 128 @HERMIUS | Nov 17 2024 21:45 utc | 125 Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 17 2024 21:49 utc | 129 Double-take of the year! I just saw this sentence in an RT article: Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 17 2024 21:51 utc | 130 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 17 2024 21:46 utc | 126 Posted by: Milites | Nov 17 2024 21:54 utc | 131 Why is everybody treating it as gospel? Because it comes from the New York Times and they are a reputable source, somehow? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 17 2024 21:56 utc | 132 Posted by: TJandTheBear | Nov 17 2024 21:37 utc | 122 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 17 2024 21:57 utc | 133 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 17 2024 21:35 utc | 121 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 17 2024 21:58 utc | 134 Daily DS map update: Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 17 2024 22:10 utc | 135 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @ 128
I hope your right, but I’m not sure the point of such fakery, this is not the kind of thing you toy with like DPRK troops or dirty bombs, this isn’t to entice or stir up the sheeple who aren’t paying much attention, to them weapons systems is humdrum, not exciting like Kim’s boogiemen. To me it’s not ridiculous enough to be fake. We will find out in a few days, they either are serious about stopping Russia’s advances or not, but it’s now or never. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 17 2024 22:11 utc | 136 Posted by: Milites | Nov 17 2024 21:23 utc | 118 Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 17 2024 22:11 utc | 137 If the news about USA lifting restrictions on their missiles for use in Russia is true and in the coming days they are used on Russian land, and Russia lets it go unpunished then I think they might as well have not invaded Ukraine. Posted by: Main Office | Nov 17 2024 22:17 utc | 138 Why is everybody treating it as gospel? Because it comes from the New York Times and they are a reputable source, somehow? Posted by: malenkov | Nov 17 2024 22:17 utc | 139 North Korean troops are allegedly operating in the Ukraine. Posted by: jpc | Nov 17 2024 22:20 utc | 140 The Kremlin is also never mentioning it, because it very much doesn’t look like they are not ruling in the interests of the Russian state there, Gazprom and the oligarchs still run the show, and they have a very different agenda. Posted by: vargas | Nov 17 2024 22:20 utc | 141 The permission could also be a reaction by the Americans to the supply stop of depleted uranium for American nuclear power plants…No Bitcoins in the Fed portfolio and no AI…smart move by the Russian Federation Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 17 2024 22:23 utc | 143 Salaam, ANON2922 @ 104-The credibility of the NYT is an imaginary number,if true however- do recall VVP has stated words to the effect “years on the street of Moscow,has tought him, if a fight is inevitable strike the first blow! Christmas comes early in the west bright lights and boom songs! Posted by: 4q8 | Nov 17 2024 22:25 utc | 144 War chronicle up to date: Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 17 2024 22:25 utc | 145 RE: Posted by: malenkov | Nov 17 2024 22:17 utc | 139 Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 17 2024 22:30 utc | 146 To anyone who tries to obfuscate the issues, dismiss it as no big deal, trying to present it as a “desperate” move…. Posted by: Micron | Nov 17 2024 22:31 utc | 147 In a nutshell, this isn’t stupid enough to be fake. Strange that that is my criteria in these times, the times of ClownWorld goes to war. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 17 2024 22:31 utc | 148 Grrrr!!! People, please just give one tiny corner of your brain to the possibility, nay likelihood, nay downright certainty that this is (have some italicised bolding) Fake News!!! Posted by: Urban Fox | Nov 17 2024 22:32 utc | 149 Biden authorizes Ukraine to use US-supplied long-range missiles for deeper strikes inside Russia Posted by: daffyDuct | Nov 17 2024 22:37 utc | 150 Real progress but accompanied by an odd mystery of who to supposedly thank for informing the General Staff about long running problems of which they couldn’t have been completely ignorant. Possibly an authentic detail or possibly a scheme to engineer the rehabilitation some well-known figure who’s earned for themselves an otherwise shitty reputation – one name does stand out in this regard.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 17 2024 22:38 utc | 151 Posted by: Ghost of Anonymous | Nov 17 2024 20:29 utc | 85 Posted by: Mary | Nov 17 2024 22:41 utc | 152 Gilbert Doctorow: Posted by: WMG | Nov 17 2024 22:42 utc | 153 Authorization of Use of Long Range Missles May Be A Strategy for Democrats to Keep Control of US Government Posted by: Jerr | Nov 17 2024 22:44 utc | 154 This authorization of long range attacks into Russia is a consequence of Putin’s “cautions approach”. Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Nov 17 2024 22:44 utc | 155 Time those who rule released and reinstated Strelkov. Posted by: Cynic | Nov 17 2024 22:45 utc | 156 Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 17 2024 22:11 utc | 137 Posted by: Milites | Nov 17 2024 22:46 utc | 157 No heating means very cold weather Posted by: rk | Nov 17 2024 22:48 utc | 158 This big “announcement” is just that. A PR ploy to push the Russians to negotiate before Bidet is flushed like a turd. I would be surprised if Bidet even had a thing to do with it. More like the chosen people aka (((neocons))) in his orbit wanting to try some 11 dimensional chess move to distract from Bibi and Co. “finishing the job” in Gaza and the West Bank. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 17 2024 22:51 utc | 159 Why are people continuing reading the western merdias, and first of all the nyt, is beyond my understanding. Posted by: Naive | Nov 17 2024 22:54 utc | 160 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 17 2024 21:56 utc | 132 Posted by: Naive | Nov 17 2024 22:59 utc | 161 There are thousands of implication, but I will name just one : there can be other proxies. Poland could be the next. What this means is that Poland could effectively wipe Kaliningrad out. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Nov 17 2024 23:00 utc | 162 https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 17 2024 23:00 utc | 163 Time those who rule released and reinstated Strelkov. Posted by: Naive | Nov 17 2024 23:00 utc | 164 vargas Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Nov 17 2024 23:01 utc | 165 We can test how desperate the situation of the ukronazis is by seeing the usual agents provocateurs coming again to post their lies. Posted by: Naive | Nov 17 2024 23:04 utc | 166 Why is Russia prolonging the war? Hundreds of thousands of dead and grievously/lifetime wounded is the reality today. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 17 2024 23:06 utc | 167 Strikes today: Posted by: Naive | Nov 17 2024 23:08 utc | 168 Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 17 2024 23:06 utc | 167 Posted by: Naive | Nov 17 2024 23:09 utc | 169 Ukraine can now let go of all inhibitions. I trust them to try to attack the Kursk nuclear power plant site first. Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 17 2024 23:11 utc | 170 “UN identified 12,162 civilians, including 183 in October and 659 children, killed in Russia-Ukraine war. This number includes 2,615 (22%) civilians killed in Russia and Donbas separatist-controlled territory…” Posted by: Naive | Nov 17 2024 23:15 utc | 171 And the war did not begin in February 2022. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Nov 17 2024 23:19 utc | 172 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 17 2024 21:46 utc | 126 Posted by: Caveman | Nov 17 2024 23:21 utc | 173 Yowza! Biden just initiated WWIII without Congressional mandate. Geezle. Seems absolute idiots are in charge and nobody else is paying attention. These folks really are idiots. Clueless. Posted by: Ledovik1 | Nov 17 2024 23:22 utc | 174 “UN identified 12,162 civilians, including 183 in October and 659 children, killed in Russia-Ukraine war. This number includes 2,615 (22%) civilians killed in Russia and Donbas separatist-controlled territory…” Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Nov 17 2024 23:23 utc | 175 Nothing gets fired into Russia without empire fingers at the controls. Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 17 2024 23:23 utc | 176 “Correlation does not imply causation” but I think there could be a peripheral connection to Zelenzkyy talking about Ukraine constructing atomic bombs and the Russian Federation setting in motion the deconstruction of Ukraine’s atomic energy producers. Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 17 2024 23:29 utc | 177 The official and the others knowledgeable about the matter were not authorized to discuss the U.S. decision publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. Posted by: Naive | Nov 17 2024 23:32 utc | 178 Biden isn’t doing anything US presidents have not done before. Posted by: Passerby | Nov 17 2024 23:32 utc | 179
Just as they were when Kherson, the capital of a constitutionally Russian region, was surrendered, or when NATO invaded official pre-war Russia? Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 17 2024 23:36 utc | 180
What is the November average so far? We’re past the mid-point of the month. I doubt it reaches 17/day, there has been a general slowdown. Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 17 2024 23:36 utc | 181 New York Slimes,Fux News, and more regurgitation of Radio Free CIA crap. Waste of time. Posted by: kupkee | Nov 17 2024 23:37 utc | 182 Russian attacks on the Ukraine: Posted by: WMG | Nov 17 2024 23:43 utc | 183
The Ukrainians have been incredibly resilient. And so were the Soviets. Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 17 2024 23:44 utc | 184 Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 17 2024 23:36 utc | 180 Posted by: a stone | Nov 17 2024 23:48 utc | 185 Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 17 2024 23:44 utc | 184 Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 17 2024 23:48 utc | 186 psychohistorian @ 176
Violate an altar boy? Oops, wrong response. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 17 2024 23:50 utc | 187 US giving Kiev highly sensitive positioning data has been happening since the start of the SMO. Posted by: paddy | Nov 17 2024 23:55 utc | 188 US giving Kiev highly sensitive positioning data has been happening since the start of the SMO. Posted by: paddy | Nov 17 2024 23:56 utc | 189 Posted by: Naive | Nov 17 2024 22:59 utc | 161 ” reading the western merdias is bad, very bad for one’s mental health” Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 17 2024 23:57 utc | 190 Ahh yes! Well of course! Saturday saw the publication of the usual boilerplate waffle from the G7… Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 18 2024 0:03 utc | 191 Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 17 2024 23:44 utc | 184 Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 18 2024 0:06 utc | 192 Posted by: paddy | Nov 17 2024 23:55 utc | 188 “A US system used to no real effect as ATACMS is. tactical system. Like Hitler V2 in strategic role, a terror weapon on civilians.” Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 18 2024 0:07 utc | 193 It’s very hard to build a nuclear bomb, Kiev can’t and the USA will never give them any, they just took once sovereign France’s nukes away. There are no nuclear targets in Ukraine, nukes aren’t used to send a message, the targets if it gets to that will be NATO bases in eastern Europe, the provocation or response from the USA would be Kaliningrad or Crimea, something that will hopefully avoid a strategic response against the USA, but likely not as there are many Russians there and it is considered Russia. Eastern Europe is not America, or Europe to the elites in Brussels, so Russia might have a first strike advantage in terms of the low value placed by the west on Eastern Europe. The fact is Russia is the only country that actually gives a shit about the countries and people there, and their fate hangs in Russia’s good graces not in the USA and western Europe for which they are only pawns. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 18 2024 0:16 utc | 194 Ha, all this talk of surreptitiously assembling atomic bombs in a remote location, and delivering them, by a side that was defeated by the Russian Federation spurs me to repost, yet again, the supremely readable SF/alternate history novel by C.M. Kornbluth. If you ever saw Rod Serling present the story “The Little Black Bag”, you have already enjoyed his intelligent and imaginative writing. Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 18 2024 0:21 utc | 195 Ed4 @ 190
Excellent point, and they are far from running out of anything, they never were. They don’t seem to be running out of AFU troops either, just the better trained ones while the better managed Russian army keeps improving. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 18 2024 0:25 utc | 196 What can we infer about this recent decision to greenlight NATO long-range missile use by Ukraine? Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 18 2024 0:31 utc | 197 Ledovik1 | Nov 17 2024 23:22 utc | 174 Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Nov 18 2024 0:31 utc | 198 Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 18 2024 0:07 utc | 193 Posted by: Milites | Nov 18 2024 0:34 utc | 199 “ It’s very hard to build a nuclear bomb,…” Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 18 2024 0:35 utc | 200 |
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