Repost from the dead thread

Power Out at Ukraine Atomic Plants After Russian Missile Strikes
. IAEA monitors at Ukraine plants report hearing explosions
. Seven of country’s nine operational reactors were impacted
November 17, 2024 at 1:29 PM GMT+1
Ukraine powered down most of the remaining operational nuclear reactors under its control following a massive overnight Russian missile and drone attack.
Staff from the International Atomic Energy Agency stationed at plants in Ukraine reported that only two of nine reactors were generating electricity at full capacity on Sunday. Generation was dialed down to between 40% and 90% of capacity at the other units, according to a statement from the UN’s nuclear watchdog.
continues ==> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-17/war-in-ukraine-power-out-at-nuclear-plants-after-missile-strikes
Posted by: too scents | Nov 17 2024 13:38 utc | 211

Posted by: too scents | Nov 17 2024 14:12 utc | 3

“Where is Vargas?
The day he wished for appears to have arrived.”
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 17 2024 14:20 utc | 4
There are two of them: “vargas” the Blog Idiot and 6 time winner of “The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today” ; and, “Vargas” who seems to have more grey matter.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 17 2024 14:24 utc | 5

Video of strikes on Rivne substation
https://x.com/squatsons/status/1858120594753225112

Posted by: Mary | Nov 17 2024 14:39 utc | 7

Rezident:
“The missile strike on Ukraine’s energy system is a warning from the Kremlin that the Office of the President must objectively assess the situation.
120 missiles and 90 drones were launched by the Russian Federation today at Ukraine. At the same time, the government’s statements that more than 140 air targets were destroyed are not true; our air defense currently reflects 25-30%.
Winter will be hard for ordinary citizens, all this needs to be understood and we need to stop relying on the government.”
Rezident 🇺🇦 TG

Posted by: Mary | Nov 17 2024 14:42 utc | 9

Here is a delicious article starring thug Igor Kolomoisky.
It contains quite a cast. There is the CIA (Radio Liberty), London carpetbaggers (in the background, offstage), “Western Values”,
Nazi militias, “thick-necked men in black” and of course Igor.
“Drinking Coffee with Kolomoisky”
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/watching-the-ukrainian-oligarchs
https://archive.ph/mC5zz

Posted by: librul | Nov 17 2024 14:45 utc | 11

Dima says that there are massive Russian missile and drone attacks on Ukraine today. Have the Ukrainians been significantly impressed by this?

Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 17 2024 14:50 utc | 13

Russia’s massive attack on Ukraine caused a threat to nuclear security: IAEA statement
Due to a massive Russian attack on energy facilities on November 17, a decrease in electrical capacity was recorded at Ukrainian nuclear power plants. This caused damage to the country’s energy infrastructure
This is reported by RegioNews with reference to the statement of the IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi.
According to the report, the attack on November 17 was aimed at substations that depend on the reliable operation of the Khmelnitsky, Rivne and South Ukrainian nuclear power plants.
The main lines from four substations were disconnected, which affects the stability of the power supply.
Only two of the nine active reactors are currently operating at 100% capacity, and six more have reduced production to 40-90%.
Grossi stressed that the stability of the power grid is key for the safety of nuclear facilities. He also stressed the importance of adhering to the seven basic principles of nuclear safety, in particular ensuring reliable external power supply for nuclear power plants.
Recall, as previously reported by the air forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on November 17, air defense worked in almost all regions of Ukraine.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/economics/1731849130-masovana-ataka-rosiyi-po-ukrayini-sprichinila-zagrozu-yaderniy-bezpetsi-zayava-magate (via translation ad-on.)

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 17 2024 15:07 utc | 15

In Dnipropetrovsk region, the enemy hit the depot of railway workers: there are dead and wounded
On the morning of November 17, as a result of Russian shelling in the Dnipropetrovsk region, two railway workers were killed.
This is reported by RegioNews with reference to the press service of Ukrzaliznytsia.
As noted in the report, Russian troops attacked the depot of railway workers.
Two employees of the railway company were killed and three others were injured. Doctors assess their condition as satisfactory.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/dnepropetrovshchina/1731830521-na-dnipropetrovshchini-vorog-udariv-po-depo-zaliznichnikiv-e-zagibli-ta-poraneni (via translation add-on.)

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 17 2024 15:11 utc | 17

Map of strikes:
https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1858116440924029243
Posted by: Mary | Nov 17 2024 14:44 utc | 10
Is it me or it looks much less convoluted than previous strikes where a lot of missiles made huge detours to strike from different directions?
It could signal how good (bad) is current AFU AD.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 17 2024 15:57 utc | 19

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 17 2024 15:57 utc | 19
Ukraine raised F-16 fighters to shoot down missiles, but reportedly they failed even at that. Using F-16 is a last resort for air defense, which implies non-existent or ineffective air defense.
On the flip side of the coin, it means the strikes were very effective. Also judging by the amount of screaming and raging by western MSM and EU politicians.
The targets included hydroelectric dams, generator rooms, gas infrastructure, and military target including air fields in western Ukraine. Maybe a few western mercenary bases in the mix.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 17 2024 16:00 utc | 21

Re: power attacks
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/update-260-iaea-director-general-statement-on-situation-in-ukraine
Read carefully for relevant details
330 kv substations targeted
Only 2 of 9 reactors producing 100%
Warning of need for off power for nuclear reactor cooling.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 17 2024 16:01 utc | 23

Read carefully for relevant details
330 kv substations targeted
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 17 2024 16:01 utc | 23
so, this i still nothing.
Putin is still afraid.

Posted by: vargas | Nov 17 2024 16:04 utc | 25

UN: Civilian Casualties Since 24 February 2022
https://x.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1858036169478472134
“UN identified 12,162 civilians, including 183 in October and 659 children, killed in Russia-Ukraine war. This number includes 2,615 (22%) civilians killed in Russia and Donbas separatist-controlled territory…”
Small potatoes compared to Palestine/Leb genocide.
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 17 2024 15:10 utc | 16
In Dnipropetrovsk region, the enemy hit the depot of railway workers: there are dead and wounded
On the morning of November 17, as a result of Russian shelling in the Dnipropetrovsk region, two railway workers were killed.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 17 2024 15:11 utc | 17th
I added Jeremy’s post because when people talk about 9.500 civilans killed it includes:
Civilians doing work with military material
Civilians that live or pass by AFU sites placed in the middle of civilians facilities
Etc
But even taking the full 9.500 we’re talking 2% of military KIA.
(without human shields and those that work in military related activities I’d bet it would be less than 1%)
Anyway, comparing 1 or 2 % with 1000or 2000 % is ludicrous. 3 magnitudes is what separates civilization from barbarians.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 17 2024 16:05 utc | 27

It’s not nothing it’s an escalation
Like gruff hypothesized it’s a signal to start turning them. I think that’s an idea that has merit and should be kept in mind when analyzing further actions.
Clearly it was enough of a hit to jolt the idea into action. It’s not nothing and not everything, but it was something

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 17 2024 16:07 utc | 29

Heat, water and electricity supply interruptions occur in Odesa Region due to attack by russians
On the night of Sunday, November 17, russian terrorists attacked the Odesa Region. As a result of the shelling, the energy infrastructure of the region was damaged.
Oleh Kiper, the head of the Odesa Regional Military Administration, announced this on his Telegram channel.
According to Kiper, there are interruptions in the supply of heat, water and electricity in the region. Currently, emergency power outages are being applied as directed by Ukrenergo. And hospitals and other critical infrastructure facilities work with the help of generators.
“All authorized services are working to eliminate the damage. At this moment, specialists are taking all possible measures to restore heat and water supply within a few hours. Power engineers are continuously working to eliminate the consequences of the shelling,” Kiper emphasized.
As the Ukrainian News agency earlier reported, on the night of November 17, russia launched a massive combined strike on Ukraine’s energy facilities with various types of air-, land-, and sea-based missiles, as well as Shahed-type attack drones. According to preliminary data, 210 enemy aerial targets were identified and escorted: 120 missiles and 90 UAVs.

https://ukranews.com/en/news/1047750-heat-water-and-electricity-supply-interruptions-occur-in-odesa-region-due-to-attack-by-russians

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 17 2024 16:09 utc | 31

Ukrainian Intel Officers in Syria to be Eliminated as Terrorists’ Accomplices
https://tass.com/politics/1872139
“Ukrainian intelligence officers arming terrorists in Idlib.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 17 2024 16:15 utc | 33

“On November 17, 2024, the planned payment of reparations to Ukraine took place. As part of the quarterly payments, 120 missiles and more than 90 drones were transferred.
The joy of such a gift was shared by energy structures all over Ukraine.

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/9501003.html (via translation add-on.)

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 17 2024 16:50 utc | 35

so, this i[s] still nothing.
Putin is still afraid.
Posted by: vargas | Nov 17 2024 16:04 utc | 25
—————————————————–
A more pertinent word would be “cautious.” But you, being the Putinphobe that you are, don’t want a conversation; you only want the opportunity to attack President Putin, that makes you a troll. Goodbye!

Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2024 17:01 utc | 37

https://t.me/milinfolive/135214

According to the enemy, the missiles used today also included hypersonic 3M22 Zircon missiles , launched from ground-based launchers in Crimea.
Zircons had previously been launched in a similar manner against targets in Kiev, at least in February and March 2024.
Apparently, the ground-based SPU for the 3M22 Zircon missiles is the modernized Bastion coastal missile systems , which have been adapted for such missions since 2021.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 17 2024 17:18 utc | 39

“Putin is still afraid” — that’s a good one.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 17 2024 17:34 utc | 41

“Ukrainians face harsh winter as Russian attacks destroy energy infrastructure”
https://www.voanews.com/a/ukrainians-face-harsh-winter-as-russian-attacks-destroy-energy-infrastructure-/7865623.html

Posted by: WMG | Nov 17 2024 17:50 utc | 43

Ucrania ya ha sido abandonada como Moises en una cesta, para que el río decida… dentro de unos pocos años, los mismos que pedían más y más guerra dirán: Ucrania? Que es Ucrania? Las águilas saben muy bien donde van a aterrizar.
https://textosandroides.blogspot.com/2024/11/pastelitos.html
Como dijo Napoleón Bonaparte: “El que parte y reparte, se queda con la mejor parte”. O lo había dicho María Antonieta? Claro, tal vez lo dijo Nerón, o Rómulo. No importa, nada ha cambiado por diez mil años.
Seguimos intentando trazar lineas en el suelo, para dejar de un lado lo que no debe quedar del otro, como si el mundo entero fuera un pastel. Y luego, sobre y desde esas lineas, disconformes, intentamos trazar otras mas pequeñas, porque hemos dejado demasiado para los demás. Es la base de la diplomacia: mentir sin descanso hasta poder imponer la verdad.
Pero el mundo se lleno de gente, ahora no es tan fácil! Trazamos una linea, y nuestro lápiz choca con el cuerpo de una persona, como hacer? Adivinaron! Se hace como debe hacerse! Como siempre se hizo! Se arrasa, se alisa, se masacra. Y solo ahí, entonces…
Claro, no deja de ser ilusorio, dado que no funcionó bien desde el principio, y no tenemos que ir a la linea Durand, que partió al medio a los pastunes, ni a la linea Balfour, que cercó a los palestinos, ni siquiera a la linea Oder-Neisse o a la linea del paralelo 38, que según los amables acuerdos de la época, debía ser borrada rápidamente para que las familias coreanas siguieran siendo un solo pueblo.
Cada día, en este planeta, cometemos el iluso error de dejar que los asesinos de ayer y hoy, tomen el lápiz en nombre de la paz, y prometan la bienaventuranza mutua si les dejan trazar una nueva línea divisoria. Son adictos a partir las cosas al medio -llámese Yemen o Sudán, Vietnám, Industán…Palestina!- Cuando se acaban las formas de continuar la guerra, engañan a todo el mundo con una falsa e imposible paz armada que siga haciendo girar los engranajes de la historia.
Bueno, últimamente las cosas no salen tan bien… Todavía están intactos Irán y Siria, Irak y Argentina, Nigeria, Bolivia, Guatemala…
O lo mas intactas que pueden! Las naciones ya no obedecen a la dirección programada, todo el mundo se pregunta antes, cual es la ventaja de ser legalmente ametrallado.
Pero estamos en un mundo de recursos limitados. Cada vez, más limitados. Así que podemos ver a un montón de burócratas y seniles empresarios con el cuchillo en la mano. Sin importar cuanta sangre chorrée, nos dirán que es chocolate, y que el sabor de la torta es lo que importa. Debemos quedarnos sentados, quietos y en silencio, esperando nuestra porción.
Como todo, sin embargo, el tiempo nunca corre a favor de los arrogantes, y con sus flamantes portafolios, los nuevos geómetras quedan esperando sin oportunidad siquiera de presentar sus planes.
Así es como la fantasía de un Yemen sumiso y dividido quedo en la imaginación, y pronto la de una Ucrania congelada en una trinchera eterna que sirva para apuntar a Rusia como un pato de feria se demostrará imposible siquiera de pensar. Pero no se rinden.
Si es posible arrancarán las confituras de la torta europea, y se comerán la cereza alemana sin escupir el carozo. No hay derrotas, solo cambios de rumbo, solo nuevos objetivos.
Cuando los frentes actuales terminen de consumir la chatarra bélica, increíblemente sobrefacturada, se retirarán con los bolsillos llenos, a ejecutar pedidos urgentes para reemplazar el material perdido. No importa cuantos pueblos queden destrozados en el camino. Solo son negocios.
Pero… El hecho es que: cuando fallan los grandes objetivos, se toma el camino hacia los mas pequeños. No nos están diciendo que ya se olvidaron de Rusia, China, India…son demasiado grandes, demasiado resilientes, demasiado memoriosos como para dejarse embaucar de nuevo.
Las guerras actuales solo son una ultima mascarada para fijar la atención de la prensa y desgastar a los organismos internacionales. El próximo objetivo es el mal llamado Sur Global, países pequeños y diversos, con una gran reserva de adictos al vasallaje y el colonialismo. Sociedades fracturaras y divididas desde su misma creación por parte de los ejércitos conquistadores, dueños de todo poder económico y financiero, político.
Que tan difícil sería intentar amontonar al resto en algunas porciones de territorio estéril, y reclamar la soberanía sobre las zonas que aun concentran los mas valiosos recursos naturales?
Claro, durará años la preparación ideológica para aceptar la sumisión, pero cuantos van? Hace cuanto tiempo gobiernos de todos los colores hacen los deberes, polarizando a la sociedad y multiplicando la violencia?
When the empire’s arsenals are full again, it will only take a couple of sparks to justify the fire, a couple of false flags and scapegoats to allow the armored caravans that protect the army of financiers and bankers, industrialists and corporate directors, to pass through the front door of each nation harassed and impoverished to the limit.
There is always someone inside who opens the doors, it is not even necessary to resort to the old Trojan Horses of the fight against corruption or terrorism, of the endless, supposed and never-won war against drugs. The central governments are leading their administrations with skilled negotiators, who know what value to give to what they can give in exchange for the best part of everything.
The war has already begun on the screens, a while ago, the conquest will be done by “Multiple Choice” polls. The war of “Likes” is the most sinister thing that humanity has achieved. Millions of people daily and carefully avoid reality to dive into virtual promises of random and ephemeral joy.
That is the territory that will remain on our side of the line, a country, a virtual world that constantly renews itself to make us smile without thinking about anything, without getting up from our chair even if explosions sound, without looking up from our phone even if we walk towards an abyss.
Is there a limit? Of course there is! When our elbows collide with those next to us, and stumbling, we cannot focus our attention on the detailed monitoring of the latest trends, we will have reached the overcrowding that preludes extermination. Of course, it will be too late, the lines we let draw around us will not let us escape.
We will lift our eyes from the screen perhaps late, for the last time. Our final landscape will be that of a great shadow covering what little we have left, the shadow of the knife’s edge, about to cut again…

Posted by: Santi | Nov 17 2024 18:32 utc | 45

Now we know definitively why the DPRK bullcrap was shoveled. My guess they’ll be striking weapons factories not bases which are protected and the factories are more critical. RT citing NYT:

Biden approves Ukrainian strikes deep into Russia with US missiles – NYT
The reported decision by the American president would signify a major change in policy
President Joe Biden has reportedly approved Ukraine’s first use of US-provided long-range missiles for strikes deep within Russia, the New York Times (NYT) has claimed, citing anonymous American officials.
Authorization to use the Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) was reportedly prompted by Russia’s alleged move to utilize North Korean troops in the conflict, the outlet said.
Russian and North Korean forces operating in Kursk Region of western Russia are apparently the intended targets for the weapons, the officials told NYT.
DETAILS TO FOLLOW
“>https://www.rt.com/russia/607789-biden-ukrainian-strikes-russia/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 17 2024 18:38 utc | 47

NYT: Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long Range…
Looks like Butcher Blinky wants to make good use of his remaining time in office – he probably owes that to his billionaire friends.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 17 2024 18:54 utc | 49

If I am not mistaking, aren’t those ATACMS missiles only launched with HIMARS? Considering how many were destroyed/disabled already by RU how are those going to make any difference?

Posted by: JamesBond | Nov 17 2024 18:56 utc | 51

US will never allow their pet Nazis to lose so that means Putin must surrender.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20241117/biden-authorizes-ukrainian-long-range-strikes-into-russia-using-atacms-missiles—reports-1120914282.html

Posted by: Surferket | Nov 17 2024 19:03 utc | 53

NYT: Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia with Long Range…
Looks like Butcher Blinky wants to make good use of his remaining time in office – he probably owes that to his billionaire friends.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 17 2024 18:54 utc | 49
and make it harder for Trump to “retreat”, and, possibly hoping to kick off ww iii before Trump takes office, as Gaetz AG and Gabbard DNI signals revenge.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 17 2024 19:07 utc | 55

Reuters says Biden allows Ukraine to use US arms to strike inside Russia
I expect this announcement is the reason for Russia stepping up the controlled shutdown of the Ukraine electrical system last night….good intelligence…..force the nukes into a cold shutdown and continue to disable electrical and gas distribution….bring the country to a stop.
How will Russia respond to an attack like just allowed by Biden?
Climax in Ukraine building….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 17 2024 19:16 utc | 57

Nope, file this under “Trump/Putin phone call” and “Maccabbi football supporters are innocent victims”…
Anyway, Bibi gets first dibs on US weapons these days…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 17 2024 19:23 utc | 59

Yawn. How often have we heard this cackle about strikes and freezing in the winter? Third year in a row. Heck the RFA hasn’t even really taken the gloves off and gone after the plants themselves. Yawn, yawn, yawn.
You people are as silly as the Ukrops when they talk about strikes. Hopium, copium.
Territory, territory, territory. That’s what matters.

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 17 2024 19:28 utc | 61

Lucas Leiroz from yesterday:

Indeed, the eventual authorization of the use of long-range missiles against targets deep inside Russia would place Moscow and NATO facing the near inevitability of a nuclear confrontation. As spokeswoman Zakharova has made clear, Russia is on high alert for the use of advanced missiles against its territory. Moscow has repeatedly stated that if such attacks occur, Russia’s response will be strong and decisive. This would not only imply a military escalation, but also a redefinition of relations between Russia and the West, with the possibility of unpredictable consequences for international stability.

https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/11/16/moscow-continues-to-warn-the-west-about-the-risk-of-nuclear-escalation/
Fairly summarizing the situation here, well known to barflies. What do you know? It’s finally finally Ukraine Day at MoA! Were it not for the radioactive implications, it would be an occasion to celebrate…
Most of my life, I assumed this tired old world could scrape through somehow, and reverse our cliffward trajectory. But the future got mislaid. I could have sworn I set it down somewhere around here. Someone must have stolen it.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 17 2024 19:37 utc | 63

https://t.me/xronikabpla/8106

Additional information about the post from a bourgeois drone
We decided to bring understanding between short-wave IR matrices and thermal imaging matrices.
Short-wave IR matrices (SWIR) operate on reflected short-wave IR. Modern SWIR matrices have very high sensitivity and high resolution, so they give a good picture even at night with minimal illumination. At dusk, when visible cameras almost do not work, SWIR does an excellent job. SWIR is able to see through smoke, dust, aerosol, but not through water vapor, fog. Despite the fact that they use special enlightened optics, they still do not require expensive germanium lenses like thermal imagers. The range is 0.9-2.5 microns. The image is similar to a regular black and white in the visible spectrum. There are no thermal differences in objects, there are shadows! Plus they overlap all types of laser rangefinders and target designators. There are a lot of videos with a blinking spot of target illumination from the same TB2. It should be noted that the spot is almost always very small and very stable, which leads to high efficiency of hitting the target.
Thermal imaging matrices (MWIR, LWIR) are 3-5 microns and 8-12 microns. These are detectors of objects emitting IR waves. The main part is LWIR. In particular, LWIR is used in all binoculars, monoculars, sights, suspensions for small drones and fpv. It is important to remember that the brightness of objects depends not only on the temperature of the object but also on the emissivity of the object’s material! It is different for each material. Therefore, objects with the same temperature but different emissivity glow differently.
Modern GOES are usually multispectral and allow you to choose not only one type of image but also superimpose / combine them.
In the attached video, either multispectrum or SWIR. The direction to the north N, the direction of the shadows and their size indicate that most likely this is in the morning at dawn. The shadows indicate that it is a SWIR. And obviously the “hot” objects do not glow, indicating that it is not a thermal imager.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 17 2024 19:45 utc | 65

Oh for $DEITY’s sake folks! Leaving aside the usual trolls, some long-standing and intelligent barflies seem to be getting their knickers in an unnecessary knot about this so-called authorisation.
First of all, look at the source; the New York Times, doing its usual trick of citing anonymous officials, no attribution, nothing substantive; think back to the Washington Post and b pulling that to pieces. I’ve no doubt this is of a similar vein.
Second, look at the timing, it’s all about news management; the legacy media outlets have had to cover a heavy missile and drone salvo against Ukraine today, what better way to distract from this than flying a complete kite of a story?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 17 2024 19:56 utc | 67

Following the United States, the French and the British have authorized Ukraine to use SCALP/Storm Shadow cruise missiles deep into Russian territory, the Le Figaro newspaper has reported.
“>https://t.me/Slavyangrad/113301

Figure Scholtz to authorize the Tauruses next, he’s on his way out so he’s the perfect guy to light the fuse and run just like Biden, the Germans probably waited exactly for this moment to collapse the govt. Trump election, traffic light coalition falling, DPRK bs, USA missile approval, German and French approval, and Taurus probably all planned to coincide.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 17 2024 20:00 utc | 69

Denazification of Ukrainian tourists near Olgovka Forest.
AFU units were blocked near Olgovka Forest during successful operations of the North Group of Forces.
Today at 04:00, the enemy with small groups of 15 to 20 men attempted to break through a pocket formed around him. As a result of fire engagement, the enemy lost over 80 nationalists, 40 AFU servicemen were wounded, some of them were left behind. Moreover, 24 Ukrainian militants surrendered.
At this very moment, Russian units are mopping up the area and obliterating the enemy.

https://t.me/denatofication/9942

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 17 2024 20:04 utc | 71

AP: Biden authorizes Ukraine’s use of US-supplied long-range missiles for deeper strikes inside Russia . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 17 2024 20:02 utc | 70
I expect the Russians already know where they are and will take them out before they get off the ground.

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Nov 17 2024 20:09 utc | 73

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @ 67
It’s a pretty crazy thing for the NYT to fake, what happens when Ukraine launches a SCALP or ATACAM at Engles or HQ at Rostov on Dom, or factories in Voronezh or Moscow? Does Biden throw a hissy fit at the NYT for starting WW3? Maybe it’s a revival of the yellow journalism of the Spanish American War and William Randolph Hearst but even there the state and the press were always acting in tandem.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 17 2024 20:10 utc | 75

´well, looks like nazi-nato goes full retard.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 17 2024 20:11 utc | 77

BBC (British Bullshit Company)
Biden allows Ukraine to strike inside Russia with US missiles
US President Joe Biden has given the green light for Ukraine to use long-range missiles supplied by US to strike Russia
Earlier, Russia targeted energy infrastructure in a large-scale overnight attack across Ukraine, which also hit civilian buildings
At least 10 people were killed in the strikes
President Zelensky said 120 missiles and 90 drones were launched during a “massive combined strike on all regions” with missiles reaching Ukraine’s westernmost part
Two Ukrainian MPs told the BBC their country needs more military support from its allies

Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 17 2024 20:13 utc | 79

Thats why Ukraine’s allies started taking big steps that we would not have thought possible 2 years ago.
Posted by: sonsabah | Nov 17 2024 20:10 utc | 76

Care to elaborate, Ukraine’s allies are taking what steps exactly? Making new fake news, gaslighting and lies within their own media?

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 17 2024 20:18 utc | 81

psychohistorian @68
I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next few days a story comes out that there is an Iranian brigade in Kursk, the whole thing about yellow journalism is that it needs to be unrestrained to work, it’s the fantastical part that draws readers in. Pile all the demons that keep the Golden Billion from sleeping at night into Kursk and they’ll line up in phalanxes against Russia. Bet you a hundred new USA crypto coins with Elon Musk’s face on them that 99% of the Golden Billon think Kursk is in Ukraine.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 17 2024 20:22 utc | 83

I more or less agree with Anonymous @61 but in the sense that the Ukrainian people will just have to suffer through the winter without having much of a grid to power things.
They’ll adapt just like Ecuador and Haiti. Generators can provide some relief, though they are noisy, expensive, and pollute. Almost no one will freeze to death. Wood burning stoves are another option. Lots of timber to be cut down in the forests.
The real losers are the Ukrainian bond holders. Not gonna be much in the way of GDP for the foreseeable future. More western fiat will need to be printed and sent to buy generators, food, and pay those existing bond holders so they don’t default. It’s now a Ponzi scheme writ large.

Posted by: Ghost of Anonymous | Nov 17 2024 20:29 utc | 85

Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 17 2024 20:13 utc | 79
Seriously dirty trick by the dems. Theyre gonna launch a massive escalation just as trump takes office…..”it’ll be trumps problem”.

Posted by: Fyador | Nov 17 2024 20:31 utc | 87

Kk… looks like WW3 a green light:
Or BS…
https://tass.com/world/1873753
MILITARY OPERATION IN UKRAINE
17 NOV, 14:18
Paris, London authorize strikes inside Russia — newspaper
According to Le Figaro, Kiev “will be able to use SCALP/Storm Shadow missiles for these purposes”
PARIS, November 17. /TASS/. France and the United Kingdom have authorized the use of their long-range weapons to strike inside Russia, Le Figaro reported.
According to the newspaper, Kiev “will be able to use SCALP/Storm Shadow missiles for these purposes.”
Earlier in the day, The New York Times reported that US President Joe Biden has allowed to use US-supplied long-range missiles, known as the Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, to strike inside Russia.
****The Pentagon, however, refused to comment on these reports, ****while the White House and the Department of State have not yet responded to TASS’ inquiry.
Up to DOD as always.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 17 2024 20:34 utc | 89

RE: Posted by: vargas | Nov 17 2024 20:34 utc | 90
Honestly, don’t see Germany jumping on this ignorance train.
Think Germany already see the smoke rising and the ashes in abundance in France, Uk & US.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 17 2024 20:39 utc | 91

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 17 2024 20:10 utc | 75

It’s a pretty crazy thing for the NYT to fake

Maybe, but remember the comment attributed to Karl Rove about “creating their own reality”.

what happens when Ukraine launches a SCALP or ATACAM at Engles or HQ at Rostov on Dom, or factories in Voronezh or Moscow?

Not going to happen, because the “authorisation” is fake news.

Does Biden throw a hissy fit at the NYT for starting WW3?

I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that Biden throws hissy fits at his own reflection.

Maybe it’s a revival of the yellow journalism of the Spanish American War and William Randolph Hearst but even there the state and the press were always acting in tandem.

The past is a different country, that level of control has been lost, never to return despite the feeble efforts to stifle alternative outlooks.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 17 2024 20:42 utc | 93

As posted before;
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-828938
Bibi has been ordered to appear to testify December 2.
Maybe the orders came down to get WW3 proper going before then or NuttyYahoo will release the Epstein tapes?
Insane psychopaths will burn it all down when cornered.

Posted by: saner | Nov 17 2024 20:43 utc | 95

@vargas | Nov 17 2024 20:34 utc | 90
FDP planned fall of coalition … called D-day … how original, no?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/17/free-democrats-reportedly-planned-german-coalition-exit-weeks-before-final-split

Posted by: Oui | Nov 17 2024 20:43 utc | 97

This authorization of long range attacks into Russia is a consequence of Putin’s “cautions approach”.
Posted by: vargas | Nov 17 2024 20:40 utc | 92
More like desperation on the part of the west to somehow turn a disastrous situation round to their favour. The mentality of the insane.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 17 2024 20:45 utc | 99