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November 14, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-273
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Posted by: KevinB | Nov 15 2024 3:22 utc | 99 Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 15 2024 5:12 utc | 101 Why does the Ukrainian army occupy so much Russian territory in Kursk, Donetsk, Luhansk and even the Capital Cities of Kherson & Zaporizhzhia?!? Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 15 2024 5:26 utc | 102 Posted by: Arcticman | Nov 15 2024 4:04 utc | 101 Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 15 2024 5:30 utc | 103 “I had thought Trump was of the opinion that this war is a bust” Posted by: TrumPet | Nov 15 2024 5:36 utc | 104 Posted by: KevinB | Nov 15 2024 3:22 utc | 99 Posted by: Milites | Nov 15 2024 6:31 utc | 105 If they did, they’d probably see clear indicators of what Trump is planning. Posted by: too scents | Nov 15 2024 6:34 utc | 106 “Russia is running out of time.” Posted by: ossi | Nov 15 2024 7:26 utc | 107 too scents | Nov 15 2024 6:34 utc | 107 Posted by: flying dutchman | Nov 15 2024 7:28 utc | 108 You missed the part where Trump declares bankruptcy and walks away. Posted by: rk | Nov 15 2024 7:44 utc | 109 Posted by: wp007 | Nov 14 2024 19:48 utc | 40
new garbage Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 15 2024 7:47 utc | 110 According to Dima, the Russians have huge losses in the last days because they are attacking. Posted by: vargas | Nov 15 2024 8:28 utc | 111 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 14 2024 21:00 utc | 54
did you really think THIS ( Vargas ) is the vargas-idiot ? Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 15 2024 8:43 utc | 112 USD-RUB now over 100 again. I’m guessing they can’t maintain a stable currency because they continue to sell oil for useless Rupees they can’t spend and trade away jet engine technology and everything else from the Soviet era to China for whatever China gives – perhaps forex, perhaps chips. If Russia ruins itself, it will be financially and economically, not militarily. Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 15 2024 8:45 utc | 113 Also, according to Dima, it is not the west who is going to launch nukes on Russia. It will be Ukraine so the west is not afraid. Ukraine can make simple tactical nukes and even doesn’t need western long range missiles for that. Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 15 2024 9:09 utc | 114 Posted by: Nothingburgers | Nov 14 2024 17:37 utc | 17
This is where you are wrong – it was EU that lost (against US) the moment Russia joined the war in Ukraine. Posted by: Seppo | Nov 15 2024 10:45 utc | 115 Posted by: too scents | Nov 15 2024 6:34 utc | 107 Posted by: Milites | Nov 15 2024 10:46 utc | 116 Ukraine Weekly Update, 15th November 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-1f7 Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Nov 15 2024 11:11 utc | 117 Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 14 2024 17:19 utc | 13 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 15 2024 11:17 utc | 118 Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Nov 14 2024 23:27 utc | 76
Yes, considering so much yapping about our values and shit, our liberal leaders should send our military to the Ukraines, yet after 2.5 yr they still are outside the ring throwing water to and cheerleading for the beaten up ukrops. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 15 2024 11:29 utc | 119 guest from franconia has won the, “Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today”. “Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 14 2024 21:00 utc | 54 ” The grotesque math I’m thinking of is, that losing 2-3 million means Ukraine is demilitarized, denazied, gone with no bogus treaty needed. They go extinct – although it’s possible that happens demographically anyway. I recall Zaluznihy mentioning a “Mannerheim moment” as with Finland saying enough to Soviet invasion. That’s a bit more hopeful and maybe he has some credibility with the Azov types. ” Posted by: seer | Nov 15 2024 12:16 utc | 122 More and more Z reminds me of some of the PowerPoint heroes that I met throughout my work life…. Posted by: Newbie | Nov 15 2024 12:52 utc | 123 You mean that you are aware you worked with war criminals? Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 15 2024 12:54 utc | 124 Thank you DR. Rob Campbell. Your weekly updates are informative. Posted by: Ansocpol | Nov 15 2024 12:54 utc | 125
https://x.com/witte_sergei/status/1857142360708383123 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 15 2024 13:07 utc | 126 It will be interesting. Let’s see if the latest reports are officially confirmed. Putin has allegedly ordered a victory in Ukraine by January 20, 2025. Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 15 2024 13:58 utc | 127 Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 15 2024 13:58 utc | 128 Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 15 2024 14:25 utc | 128 (Thanks wiki, for helping us to make sense of this wonky planet) Posted by: Nothingburgers | Nov 15 2024 14:32 utc | 129 People’s MIC.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 15 2024 14:46 utc | 130 Then there were the Portuguese who fought in Angola in the 70’s against the ANC. They told stories about and being ambushed by women and children. That left some fucked up individuals who were left completely untreated for what they experienced. I was friendly to them but most of the English speaking carpenters were hostile to them and whouldn’t even let them eat in the same trailer. They had no idea who they were fucking with. Posted by: Newbie | Nov 15 2024 14:47 utc | 131 Posted by: Newbie | Nov 15 2024 14:47 utc | 132 Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 15 2024 15:21 utc | 132 So genocide supporter, the German Chancellor Scholz has phoned Putin, its the first time they have spoken in two-years, Scholz wants to talk about peace in Ukraine, either Nato has realised that it can’t win in Ukraine, or Scholz is doing a Merkel – and is stalling for time to rearm, and resupply the Neo-Nazi dictatorship of Ukraine. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 15 2024 15:52 utc | 133 It shows just how bad the Neo-Nazi ran country is – when a Western backed body in Africa has an ex-official come out and say this about the failed state of Ukraine. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 15 2024 15:56 utc | 134 https://t.me/infomil_live/11952
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 15 2024 15:56 utc | 135 We can’t let you publish your book, on the Ukraine, Russia conflict, Nordstream – and the Maidan, because it tell the bloody truth – and we don’t want the bloody truth out in the open. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 15 2024 16:01 utc | 136 That’s a bit more hopeful and maybe he has some credibility with the Azov types. ” Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 15 2024 16:53 utc | 137 Posted by: vargas | Nov 15 2024 8:28 utc | 112 Posted by: Mario | Nov 15 2024 17:01 utc | 138 Ukrainians already have shown to be idiots so… Posted by: too scents | Nov 15 2024 17:03 utc | 139
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/kievshchina/1731676892-u-minoboroni-rozpochali-perevirku-shchodo-strilyanini-pratsivnikom-ttsk-na-kiyivshchini (via [edited] translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 15 2024 17:12 utc | 140 Scholz calling Putin now in wake of the coalition crisis in Germany seems odd. Things must become really pressing in that country now. Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Nov 15 2024 17:59 utc | 141
Canadian historian Irving Abella noted in an interview with the CBS show “60 Minutes” that one of the ways to get into Canada after WW2 was to show your SS tattoo. Such a tattoo confirmed that you were a [pathological] anti-communist and, therefore, a suitable candidate for Canadian citizenship. Posted by: NH | Nov 15 2024 18:17 utc | 142 If I remember correctly, Kim Philby claimed to have made counter-intelligence work by MI6 much more difficult by greatly increasingly the overhead of paperwork and bureaucratic hurdles. One can easily conceive of related schemes, necessary and obvious actions not taken, a torrent of shabby excuses. Questions of motive are to be expected.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 15 2024 18:21 utc | 143
It’s inconceivable that Scholz called Putin without OK from New York. We know that he called Selensky before and after (who still expressed unhappiness). Posted by: Konami | Nov 15 2024 18:42 utc | 145 UK publisher Routledge has been trying to impose “other sources and alternative perspectives” on a Canadian-based scholar …if he wishes to get his “open access” book published with them.
See British publisher censoring truth Posted by: NH | Nov 15 2024 18:49 utc | 146 Apologies, I messed up with the link re Prof. Katchanovski: Posted by: NH | Nov 15 2024 18:54 utc | 147 I’m not sure the glow is a target illumination laser (looks rather diffuse and at a shallow angle) but the homebrew laser detector and optics quality are relevant points.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 15 2024 19:13 utc | 148 Konami.. Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Nov 15 2024 19:21 utc | 149 https://161.ru/text/politics/2024/11/06/74302541/
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 15 2024 19:29 utc | 150 https://t.me/philologist_zov/1718
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 15 2024 19:37 utc | 151 C17 globemaster transport of SAC Heavy Airlift Wing leaving Rzeszow, Poland – usual weapon delivery airport. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 15 2024 19:57 utc | 152 Posted by: Mario | Nov 15 2024 17:01 utc | 139 Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 15 2024 20:06 utc | 153 RUAF has moved to Sukhy Yal, south of Ulakly (far west of Kurakhove). That will probably seal the deal for Kurakhove and Uspenivka the stronghold south of Kurakhove, and the cauldron around it. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 15 2024 20:06 utc | 154 “That being said I’ll bet if you follow the money those oligarchs are getting the money to organize and pay militias from western letter agencies via some convoluted way” 138 Posted by: azeclecticdog | Nov 15 2024 20:13 utc | 155 @MS Posted by: unimperator | Nov 15 2024 20:23 utc | 156 147 – Although my memory may be at fault, I think Routledge was the publisher of a book on the Slavic languages, including an article on Ukrainian by a British academic who maintained that especially under the Soviet Union, the authorities tried to make Ukrainian as much like Russian as possible and made vocabulary selections in line with this aim. Implicitly the academic favoured making Ukrainian as different as possible from Russian, a likely and over-arching Western goal. Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 15 2024 20:35 utc | 157
This is true but it will not happen with the current politicians. Needs a clean swipe.
That. Very much. If you can read German: https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/wirtschaft-verantwortung/alles-falsch-gemacht-ist-deutschland-der-kranke-mann-europas-li.2272526
No, this won’t happen: unlike Scandinavian countries, there’s no culture for minority governments in Germany. It’s been tried in one Landestag before (Schleswig-Holstein 2005, didn’t even survive the *first* vote) and is now discussed for Saxony where conditions are extreme (CDU and SPD are desperately trying to avoid re-election).
I agree with lost case. Because of AfD’s good standing, there is on-going talk about prohibiting the party. They won’t manage before the upcoming elections but this must happen because the current parties have nothing to put against the opposition. (The bitter irony is that large parts of AfD leadership are deeply neoliberal, all for social cuts and more money on weapons — the party is divided there).
Who’s that? I hope you don’t mean Dan Sullivan, senator of Alaska 🙂 Germany is in tatters but it’s not there yet. Posted by: Konami | Nov 15 2024 21:21 utc | 158 I’m surprised by how quiet it is here today vs what’s supposedly happening on the ground. RUAF looks to be pushing hard all across the LOC and (possibly) making progress in multiple areas. Timing is interesting too as we all know the Russians are suckers for historical sentiment. It was around this time in 1942 that they launched operation Uranus which sealed the deal for Stalingrad and kicked the Rumanians and Italians out of the war practically speaking. Granted, they’re a few days early (Nov 19 1942 was the official start date for Uranus) but, have to ask if it’s a coincidence. Anyone feel free to disabuse me of this notion- note the handle, I won’t take offense 🙂 Posted by: Clown Shoes | Nov 15 2024 21:44 utc | 159 Kevin B 99 – Could not agree more, the Biden/Harris years were about lies and lies and more lies. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 15 2024 21:52 utc | 160 I agree with lost case. Because of AfD’s good standing, there is on-going talk about prohibiting the party. … Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 15 2024 22:00 utc | 161 @157 Posted by: GW | Nov 15 2024 22:15 utc | 162 Konami | Nov 15 2024 21:21 utc | 159 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 15 2024 22:24 utc | 163
I’m from East Germany and too young for 1968, so I don’t know much about it apart from the stereotypes: “marching through the institutions” (this ultimately led to Fischer, Baerbock and Habeck), RAF and “leaden autumn” (bleierner Herbst). Some reasons why the current situation is unlike 1968: Posted by: Konami | Nov 15 2024 22:27 utc | 164
There are more reports on usual TG Channels of RUAF digging in north Kupyansk, having intact supply lines from the north and bringing more to hold the territory. The ‘came-and-left’ story was the AFU narrative which seems to have been false. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 15 2024 23:35 utc | 165 ZH has a posting up with the title
Before when, what happens? Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2024 3:02 utc | 166 https://www.rt.com/russia/607707-ukraine-no-land-for-peace/ Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 16 2024 3:36 utc | 167 This Reuters posting title may also explain the pressure building on Z Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2024 3:48 utc | 168 Posted by: Ansocpol | Nov 15 2024 12:54 utc | 126 Posted by: The Busker | Nov 16 2024 7:44 utc | 169 Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2024 3:48 utc | 169 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2024 7:58 utc | 170 @anon2020 | Nov 15 2024 19:29 utc | 151
That why the old Chinese said “Don’t waste good iron for nails or good men for soldiers”. Even Prince Harry knows that he is just a SPARE, and since the oldest is always going to get the biggest inheritance the spare has to risk his life out there if he is going to achieve anything. How many Russians have paid off their property already by taking out a British or American tank in Ukraine? Lots. Posted by: gT | Nov 16 2024 7:58 utc | 171 Tomorrow is “Volkstrauertag” National Day of Mourning in Germany. A day of remembrance for the dead of war. Posted by: Old Chinahand | Nov 16 2024 8:54 utc | 172 Borzzikman sheds some light on recent events in Kupyansk. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2024 11:24 utc | 174 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2024 7:58 utc | 171
again garbage Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 16 2024 11:33 utc | 175
https://x.com/distant_earth83/status/1857718140186276203 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2024 12:19 utc | 176 Update from Reuters
Just reporting the words…. Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2024 12:32 utc | 177
AfD, that reactionary, asocial, neo-liberal right-wing party, which even by the BND is considered in parts “gesichert Rechtsextrem” (which is completely true, especially with regards to Björn Höcke and his “der Flügel”) will do absolutely nothing against wealth inequality. To the contrary, they will make it even worse. Posted by: jure | Nov 16 2024 12:48 utc | 178 ZH has a posting up with the title
What is parity? Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2024 13:42 utc | 179 G7 Pot Calls Russia Black Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 16 2024 14:03 utc | 180
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2024 14:13 utc | 181 @180 Posted by: paddy | Nov 16 2024 14:26 utc | 182 @161 Posted by: paddy | Nov 16 2024 14:39 utc | 183 Posted by: jure | Nov 16 2024 12:48 utc | 179 Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 16 2024 14:46 utc | 184 paddy @184: “Those printers were not turned on for Harris (74 million ballots) !” Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2024 15:01 utc | 185 Posted by: paddy | Nov 16 2024 14:39 utc | 184 Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 16 2024 15:02 utc | 186
The quotes were there to show to complete lack of empathy and compassion on part of sympathizers of the extreme-right. I forgot to write on the 4th quote how it continued. After “Absolutely.” I asked, Why? His answer was “Islam is a cancer which must be eradicated.” Thereby implying the eradication of over a billion people… after that I stopped out of complete disgust. Posted by: jure | Nov 16 2024 16:08 utc | 187
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2024 17:08 utc | 188
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2024 17:27 utc | 189 Posted by: jure | Nov 16 2024 16:08 utc | 188 Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 16 2024 17:42 utc | 190 Optical target following.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2024 18:00 utc | 191
I am not saying that immigrants have never done criminal acts. A certain % of any population commits crimes. Even so called “Bio-Germans”. Yes, some immigrants have also committed them, but the far-right pretty much generalizes and gives a picture that all muslim immigrants are rapists and criminals and are here only because of free money from the state, and that is certainly not the case. Posted by: jure | Nov 16 2024 18:06 utc | 192 Artyom Dmitruc – a former member of the Ukrainian parlament, from Zelensky’s party “Servant of the People”, recently spoke out about Zelensky toward RT. It was covered on RT news of November 14th. Dmitruc is a businessman from the Odessa region, making him enough of an insider to shed some light on the inner working of Zelensky’s money and war machine. Here is the transkript of what he revealed to RT:
Posted by: grunzt | Nov 16 2024 18:31 utc | 193 Posted by: jure | Nov 16 2024 18:06 utc | 193 Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 16 2024 18:36 utc | 194 Paranaense, let’s take this to the Open (neither Ukraine nor Palestine) thread, since this is the Ukraine one. Posted by: jure | Nov 16 2024 18:47 utc | 195 Paranaense, let’s take this to the Open (neither Ukraine nor Palestine) thread, since this is the Ukraine one. Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 16 2024 18:55 utc | 196 Paranaense, let’s take this to the Open (neither Ukraine nor Palestine) thread, since this is the Ukraine one. Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 16 2024 18:55 utc | 197 https://t.me/CyberspecNews/68179
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2024 19:02 utc | 198
The actual statement on the PMO website is quite brief and, therefore, easy enough to quote in full:
Absolute boilerplate, ha ha. I see the addition of “Russia as the sole obstacle to (a) just and lasting peace” as something new; I don’t know how the G7 geniuses can square the circle of the Ukrainian regime making it illegal to negotiate and, nevertheless, making such dubious claims. Just pile one lie on top of another on top of another. Posted by: NH | Nov 16 2024 19:59 utc | 199 Whoops, I forgot the link to the Canadian PMO statement: Posted by: NH | Nov 16 2024 20:00 utc | 200 |
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