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November 14, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-273
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Waltz in 2022:- Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 14 2024 15:28 utc | 1 New article by S on his substack. Posted by: Newbie | Nov 14 2024 15:33 utc | 2 Constant pincer attacks by R.U. forces are enclosing one Ukrainian strongpoint after another. Yes, they are taking their sweet time to reduce casualties rather than directly assaulting those urban and villages fortified sites. With overwhelming numbers, armor, FTD drones, artillery and missilry, the Russians are steadily degrading the UAF units. Worst news for the Ukies is that the season of General Mud has yet to develop. Thus, the Russian advances march onwards. Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 14 2024 15:35 utc | 3 Posted by b on November 14, 2024 at 15:00 UTC | Permalink Posted by: Newbie | Nov 14 2024 16:25 utc | 4 To # 1 Posted by: GMC | Nov 14 2024 16:29 utc | 5 Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 14 2024 15:28 utc | 1 Posted by: jopalolive | Nov 14 2024 16:38 utc | 6 Sorry to everyone for post 4, for a while the site deleted all 3 posts and I wanted to apologize if B had taken offense on anything I said, justify the content insomuch as possible and prove that it was not an handle hijack. Posted by: Newbie | Nov 14 2024 16:46 utc | 7 Harping on a particular topic, the east needs to be aware that the US focus is not on conventional arms. The morphing of warfare will go into other tech. Chip making equipment backdoors should be assumed. There was a room temperature silicon based quantum computing chip reported a few years back by a company called Xanadu, no news since. And the elephant in the world, Space X and it’s launch rate, capacity and cost will enable space based artillery among other things. Posted by: Newbie | Nov 14 2024 16:50 utc | 8 NATO officially aknowledges importance of nuclear weapons for sovereignty: Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 14 2024 17:04 utc | 10 @ Newbie | Nov 14 2024 16:25 utc | 4 Posted by: malenkov | Nov 14 2024 17:04 utc | 11 I’m guessing Trump is telling the banderas that it’s time to wrap this thing up. He’ll probably say the same to the Russians, eventually. The retribution in Ukraine will be awful. But that’s what they get for being a merc nation. If the banderas eat some crow, a ceasefire could come soon. Trump’s likely telling them that, and that they’re best to settle now. The handwriting is on the wall, and probably Z’s brains soon, too. Posted by: seer | Nov 14 2024 17:17 utc | 12 Incidentally, I am now convinced that Russia cannot win the SMO. Time is running out. The 5D chess masters have miscalculated. Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 14 2024 17:19 utc | 13 For some reason the Deputy Prime Minister in Canada, – who is an individual with too much invested in Ukraine feels she is ‘home free’ now – the Trudeau govt WONT release the names of about 900 alleged Nazi war criminals! To remain secret! Ah, that’s why, among others, she can breathe easier. Yes, the shame of what her own family were part of should have led her to a life that was a rejection of high nationalistic pride ! Because this is the factor which produces racial hatred, blind patriotism and fanatascism, and that is hell on earth – which should not be! My criticism of her, does not rest solely at her feet – this is something Trudeau has done – and her constituents voted for her. So, only promoting this news story, may imprint on someone who did not know, so i wanted to re-affirm this here. Posted by: Same sun | Nov 14 2024 17:24 utc | 14 My last comment was from my cellphone, and I think I got kicked off for sock puppeting??? Posted by: Arcticman | Nov 14 2024 17:24 utc | 15 Looks like b’s predictions right from the onset of the SMO are coming to fruition. The ukes are in complete collapse mode and no amount of money or new weapon supply is going to stop the momentum. Almost at the end finally. See how the MSM spins this total failure into a win. Posted by: Watzov | Nov 14 2024 17:28 utc | 16 Russia already lost by fighting. That was the point. And this SMO will just as soon be followed by another and another. This is the Spain, of World War. The boundaries are marked, the contestants are named, the rules are written clear —there are none. Posted by: Nothingburgers | Nov 14 2024 17:37 utc | 17 #13 Posted by: Zakukommander | Nov 14 2024 17:39 utc | 18
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 14 2024 17:42 utc | 19 Posted by: Newbie | Nov 14 2024 15:33 utc | 2 Posted by: jopalolive | Nov 14 2024 17:44 utc | 20 Posted by: seer | Nov 14 2024 17:17 utc | 12 Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 14 2024 17:44 utc | 21 Posted by: seer | Nov 14 2024 17:17 utc | 12 Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 14 2024 17:44 utc | 22 Marat’s latest sitrep: https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-report-from-the-front-on-november-754 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 14 2024 17:56 utc | 23 Waltz should know that, for all the posturing. What is Trump doing anyway, putting a standard issue neocon in that position? Maybe doing a Bolton? Bad cop Waltz so he can do the good cop? Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 14 2024 18:00 utc | 24 War chronicle up to date: Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 14 2024 18:02 utc | 25 ” Russia’s main point is the security issue vs NATO. The Russian troops will go up to the Polish border… ” Posted by: seer | Nov 14 2024 18:05 utc | 26
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 14 2024 18:10 utc | 27 Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 14 2024 17:04 utc | 10 Posted by: Paco | Nov 14 2024 18:17 utc | 28 For some reason the Deputy Prime Minister in Canada, – who is an individual with too much invested in Ukraine feels she is ‘home free’ now – the Trudeau govt WONT release the names of about 900 alleged Nazi war criminals! To remain secret! Ah, that’s why, among others, she can breathe easier. Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 14 2024 18:19 utc | 29 Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 14 2024 17:19 utc | 13 Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 14 2024 18:25 utc | 30 The AFU is clearly an equal opportunities employer, with no discrimination against those with chronic illnesses:
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/ukraine/1731590450-u-minoboroni-poyasnili-za-yakih-umov-lyudi-z-vil-chi-tuberkulozom-pridatni-do-sluzhbi-v-armiyi (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 14 2024 18:30 utc | 31 Posted by: seer | Nov 14 2024 18:05 utc | 26 Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 14 2024 18:38 utc | 32 And Russia knows how to build a multicultural nation. I look forward for Lemberg once again being a peaceful multiethnic town. Which it was before Habsburg started sowing their pus. Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 14 2024 18:43 utc | 33 @ Hamburger, §10: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 14 2024 18:50 utc | 34 @34 John Marks Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 14 2024 19:11 utc | 35 There are reasons the US is half halfheartedly ramping the traditional MIC. Why is there no urgency if the demise of the west is so imminent? Because it does not perceive it that way. Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 14 2024 19:33 utc | 36 North Korean Koksan Superheavy Artillery Arrives in Russia. Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 14 2024 19:34 utc | 37 Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 14 2024 17:19 utc | 13 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 14 2024 19:39 utc | 38 @MorePain4Cakes – “The Russian troops will go up to the Polish border” Posted by: wp007 | Nov 14 2024 19:42 utc | 39 German paper https://www.n-tv.de/politik/17-58-Die-Ukraine-plant-eigene-Atombombe-Aussenminister-weist-Times-Bericht-zurueck–article23143824.html Posted by: wp007 | Nov 14 2024 19:48 utc | 40 Posted by: wp007 | Nov 14 2024 19:42 utc | 39 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 14 2024 19:50 utc | 41 Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 14 2024 19:33 utc | 36 Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Nov 14 2024 19:55 utc | 42 Posted by: Nothingburgers | Nov 14 2024 17:37 utc | 17 Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 14 2024 19:58 utc | 43
Incidentally, why would any one care? In my admittedly limited experience, I have never seen you do anything but regurgitate Western propaganda, nary an original thought to be had. Id love to hear you regale us with stories of Ukraines winning, it’s bound to be interesting. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 14 2024 20:06 utc | 44 29 HB_Norica Posted by: Same sun | Nov 14 2024 20:09 utc | 45 Posted by: wp007 | Nov 14 2024 19:48 utc | 40 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 14 2024 20:11 utc | 46 No conflict. SU needed 8/9 (?) years after WW II to extinguish the Nazi terrorism (funded by the west even then?) Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 14 2024 20:15 utc | 47 Posted by: GMC | Nov 14 2024 16:29 utc | 5 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 14 2024 20:19 utc | 48 When the Ukrainian Army collapses, as it inevitably will, then all bets are off as to what Russia can do in 404. Posted by: PalmaSailor | Nov 14 2024 20:25 utc | 49 ” extinguish the Nazi terrorism (funded by the west even then?) Russia today knows how to deal with terrorists, take a look at Chenya. Main point: terrorists are not taken prisoner. Ask Kadyrov. ” Posted by: seer | Nov 14 2024 20:33 utc | 50 I managed to get an ear on the far-right German völkische nationalists/ Neonazis to hear what the scene thinks about the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists and their Nazi batallions. It might surprise you, but apparently most of this spectrum is supporting Russia and Putin. Apart from the mercenaries, which I suspect have their own lines to the front which probably extend into the Bundeswehr, very few of the genuine Neonazis went to Ukraine. I heard about just one person, and he was reported to be there mostly busy with the beautiful Ukrainian blondes, rather than doing much political work. Posted by: persiflo | Nov 14 2024 20:36 utc | 51 General Mud has yet to develop. Thus, the Russian advances march onwards. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 14 2024 20:50 utc | 52 Incidentally, I am now convinced that Russia cannot win the SMO. Time is running out. The 5D chess masters have miscalculated. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 14 2024 21:00 utc | 53 Oh, nearly forgot, always like to ask this question of screen names I’m not familiar with: do you happen to know the current whereabouts of Ukraine’s national gold reserves? Posted by: Original Newbie | Nov 14 2024 21:06 utc | 54 Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 14 2024 15:28 utc | 1 Posted by: Mike R | Nov 14 2024 21:17 utc | 55 My guess for now: some NATO poodle/chihuahua will eventually trip the wire. At some point even the supervisor needs a nap. Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 14 2024 21:23 utc | 56
I do enjoy a snort-through-the-nostrils slice of irony with my MoA + morning coffee Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 14 2024 21:28 utc | 57 According to Dima, Zelensky says that Ukraine is going to make a simple nuclear weapon and use it against Russia if Trump stops financing and helping Ukraine. Posted by: vargas | Nov 14 2024 21:37 utc | 58 It will become clear at the beginning of next year who is the idiot here. Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 14 2024 21:46 utc | 59 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 14 2024 20:50 utc | 53 Posted by: Mary | Nov 14 2024 21:46 utc | 60 Zakharova about missile strikes deep in Russia: Posted by: Passerby | Nov 14 2024 22:00 utc | 61 @ wpoo7, §39: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 14 2024 22:00 utc | 62 Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 14 2024 21:46 utc | 60 Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 14 2024 22:02 utc | 63 war-gas-lighting is becoming more stupid every day. “a simple nuclear weapon”… Very simple indeed… LOLOLOLOLOL!!! Posted by: Naive | Nov 14 2024 22:04 utc | 64
Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 14 2024 21:46 utc | 60 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 14 2024 22:12 utc | 65 @ guest from franconia | Nov 14 2024 21:46 utc | 60 Posted by: NoName | Nov 14 2024 22:29 utc | 66 The sad thing is most Americans who voted for him will like his choice of cabinet … or at least they won’t give a shit until the economy dumps on them. Posted by: Organic | Nov 14 2024 22:35 utc | 67 Yeah, if they’re not giving the ukies long range heavy weapons, they can’t give them nukes. It’d kill civilians and have a signature. I could only see it if the zionists were on the ropes and needed a lifeline/distraction. That’s the genius of Russia opening up the 2nd front. It ensured the ukie project would be sacrificed to spare Israel. Posted by: seer | Nov 14 2024 22:38 utc | 68 Posted by: Newbie | Nov 14 2024 16:50 utc | 8 Posted by: Newbie | Nov 14 2024 22:49 utc | 69 Jams O’Donnell – > “You may know the area, but do you know the present state of the Ukrainian Amed Forces, their troop numbers, state of morale, reserves of ammunition, etc. etc.?” Posted by: wp007 | Nov 14 2024 22:58 utc | 70 The west is thus not afraid. Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 14 2024 23:09 utc | 71 Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 14 2024 18:00 utc | 24 Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 14 2024 23:14 utc | 72 @Jeremy Rhymings-Lang Posted by: wp007 | Nov 14 2024 23:16 utc | 73
Mediocre! Your ‘just one’ example turns out to be science fiction. Nobody knows what, except what it isnt – a hypersonic missile. So you came back with death rays and psychic cannons, and I am supposed to take you seriously? Please spare us this drivel. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 14 2024 23:26 utc | 74 The west is thus not afraid. Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Nov 14 2024 23:27 utc | 75 @vargas >”Only Putin is afraid but he will have to use n weapons or Russia is going to be crushed.” Posted by: wp007 | Nov 14 2024 23:28 utc | 76 @Posted by: vargas | Nov 14 2024 21:37 utc | 59 Posted by: Fyador | Nov 14 2024 23:29 utc | 77 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 14 2024 23:26 utc | 75 Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 14 2024 23:46 utc | 78 ALL PEOPLE HERE SHOULD WATCH DOCUMENTARY CALLED “EUROPA THE LAST BATTLE” Posted by: billy936 | Nov 14 2024 23:48 utc | 79 https://youtu.be/7a-uQTtO0ts?si=fju7b0mKT3GnOZbZ Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 14 2024 23:50 utc | 80
Exactly! IMO, most of the dreams regarding militarising space, other than ISR, are still delusional. However with the $/kg to LEO cost reduction and lift capacity increase already provided by SpaceX, the old cold war ‘Star Wars’ dreams have returned. With even greater future lift capacity promised by the Starship system, imaginations are running wild. I would not be surprised at all if launching space based artillery is the real mission for Starship. It would not be a game changer, but explains the lack of panic from US war hawks. Posted by: Drifter | Nov 15 2024 0:20 utc | 81 No need to add complications with EU-flirting Moldova. Posted by: Original Newbie | Nov 15 2024 0:41 utc | 82 Just one example. Huge new building complexes were created in record time in the US military zone in Grafenwoehr. Nobody knows what weapons technologys is being researched, built and tested there. Posted by: Original Newbie | Nov 15 2024 0:48 utc | 83 Another excellent video from Brian Berletic. Posted by: acementhead | Nov 15 2024 0:52 utc | 84 Exceptionally dry fall weather has been a huge benefit to RF who are rapidly rolling up villages in the northern front and in the central and southern fronts too. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 15 2024 0:54 utc | 85 The outcome for Russia continues to look impossible. To demilitarize and de-nazify Ukraine requires either the total conquest of Ukraine (ridiculous and this isn’t The Thirty Years War,) or kill off maybe 2-3 million conscriptable males (a very, very tall order) or depend on some dumb treaty that promises these things (yeah, like Minsk….). Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 15 2024 1:09 utc | 86 “…the election of DJT who despises Volo and the Vindman brothers, is the kicker. The ammo and cash pipeline is going to dry up on 1/21/25……payback is a bitch…..” Posted by: acementhead | Nov 15 2024 1:10 utc | 87 Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 15 2024 1:09 utc | 87 Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 15 2024 1:49 utc | 88 Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 15 2024 1:09 utc | 87 Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 15 2024 1:51 utc | 89
Not “conscriptABLE”, but “conscriptED”. No one will hunt males at their Ukranian or NATO home, but if they pick arms against Russia and are conveniently delivered into the artillery fire-range, why not kill coupla more hundred thousand? Soon even the dumbest would understand: if you fight against Rusdia – you die. NATO troops included. Posted by: Rutte | Nov 15 2024 1:59 utc | 90 Ukrainian forces have been in Kursk for over 3 months and it doesn’t look like they will be driven out anytime soon. I think it will take to April/May at least. Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 15 2024 2:13 utc | 91 Posted by: Newbie | Nov 14 2024 22:49 utc | 70 Posted by: Grishka | Nov 15 2024 2:27 utc | 92
Why destroy a gift that keeps on giving? They are not so much driven out, as being killed. Killed while assembling, killed on the way in, killed in place and killed on the way out. At a rate of about 250-300 troops and 3-tanks a day, it might as way linger this way even longer than May, if Ukies conveniently continue to oblige. Posted by: Rutte | Nov 15 2024 2:29 utc | 93 The grotesque math I’m thinking of is, that losing 2-3 million means Ukraine is demilitarized, denazied, gone with no bogus treaty needed. They go extinct – although it’s possible that happens demographically anyway. I recall Zaluznihy mentioning a “Mannerheim moment” as with Finland saying enough to Soviet invasion. That’s a bit more hopeful and maybe he has some credibility with the Azov types. Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 15 2024 2:34 utc | 94 “I had thought Trump was of the opinion that this war is a bust” Posted by: KingTrump | Nov 15 2024 2:39 utc | 95 Re: Posted by: Zakukommander | Nov 14 2024 17:39 utc | 18
Oh really. Posted by: Julian | Nov 15 2024 2:40 utc | 96 For the Russians it’s open season on any military or dual use facilities anywhere in Ukraine. If Waltz doesn’t know that someone should tell him and stop him making a fool of himself. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Nov 15 2024 3:16 utc | 97 I cannot fathom all these posts about Trump. They seem to forget that first and foremost, he was a businessman and a salesman. Posted by: KevinB | Nov 15 2024 3:22 utc | 98 Wow. Everytime I headknock a known scuttlebutt, the trolls come out. Um, is it because I am just a dumb Eskimo? E5-1796 is my Canadian name…hence my other name Arcticman. Hah Hah Hah. Okay, Uncle Sam. Since I was born within an American weather station acre of US soil, does that make me an American Eskimo? NAH!!! Posted by: Arcticman | Nov 15 2024 4:02 utc | 99 Wow. Everytime I headknock a known scuttlebutt, the trolls come out. Um, is it because I am just a dumb Eskimo? E5-1796 is my Canadian name…hence my other name Arcticman. Hah Hah Hah. Posted by: Arcticman | Nov 15 2024 4:04 utc | 100 |
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