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November 10, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-270

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Reports of Trump having called Putin. My imagined eavesdrop summary:
In good faith, Trumps suggests stopping the SMO asap. Asks how we could ALL go about that?
In good faith, Putin states it isn’t simply about the SMO. It’s about US/NATO casting Russia as Eurasia’s bad boy as manifesting through encroaching NATO memberships; existentially threatening Russia as a sovereign power; Nordstream sabotage; colour revolutions in our former states; sanctions; illegal money thefts; supporting the Kievan nazi regime; and so on. “Look Mr President. We have our oft-stated goals, as you know full well, and we are not going to stop advancing militarily in Ukraine until they are achieved … no matter how far that is or what the West does”.
Trump: (Sincerely) Thank you Mr President. I’ll consider all that and get back to you as soon as we’ve considered everything.
Iow, in private, I think Trump will play humble towards Putin, and Putin will play hard ball against Trump. After all, America has no real leverage against Russia.
In public, Trump will continue to bluster “I get on great with Putin. We had a great talk. We’ll come to a great solution through my fantastic deal-making skills”.
He’ll then tell Zelensky he’d better book a flight to Argentina. “The State Dept will take over things in Ukraine now” … after all, America actually OWNS Ukraine now. Trump will then set up a de-escalation of animosities enough the halt the SMO completely in Russia’s favour. He can then claim to have single-handedly “stopped the war”. Zelensky’s cronies will flee too. Elections and a cleansing of the Rada can then occur. Then back to business as usual all over Europe. As per Putin’s conditions in a ceasefire, in a few years, NATO will be abandoned for a new and better 21stC European Security Framework including mutual non-agression.

Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 10 2024 23:56 utc | 101

Posted by: Naive | Nov 10 2024 23:45 utc | 97
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I want to take this moment to remind the bar that Trump’s phone calls are perfect.
All he has to do is call both Putin and Zelensky (perhaps on a party line… dating myself with that reference) and in 24 hours he will resolve the trillions in lost resources, the millions of lives lost, and the decades of Nazism and ethnic cleansing.
It never ceases to amaze me how Americans see Presidents as Messiahs.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 0:00 utc | 102

Ogre in comment 3 in this thread posted that reportely Russia had lost an average of 1500 troops per day in October. Jeremy Rhymings – Lang (love that name) a little way down the thread asked if there was anything to verify it.
I actually saw the report on the BBC news website, the source was British military intelligence, the same source as has constantly reported since early 2022 that Russias war effort was close to collapse, the Russian army were out of tanks, aritillery ammo, food and just about everything else and a Ukrainian vicory was within reach. It is just propaganda and the opposite is probably closer to the truth.
The report seems to have mysteriously disappeared from BBC News now. I don’t know why they bothered, nobody believes eithr the BBC or military intelligence anyway.

Posted by: Arthur Foxake | Nov 11 2024 0:00 utc | 103

Any demilitarised zone controlled by the west or UN, will not be acceptable. After all, it was a demilitarised zone manned by the OSCE that caused the SMO, as it failed to monitor properly the AFU attacks throughout the period 2014-2022.
The OSCE constantly under reported kiev attacks across the contact line and some say in Donetsk and Luganck, actually aided the kiev regime in targeting key positions.
The same thing will happen with Pres Trumps plan, whilst Kiev builds up its weaponry once again, ready for the next war. Kiev will start to shell across the DM zone, the so-called peacekeepers will turn a blind eye, Russia will retaliate, western media will condemn Russia’s “aggression”.
The script is already written. Lets not watch the same play again!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 11 2024 0:18 utc | 104

The script is already written. Lets not watch the same play again!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 11 2024 0:18 utc | 104
yes indeed so. In fact days before the the smo, it was reported that the ukainian shelling of donesk across the frontline border increased by 400%. there was no invasion at this point, but im sure it was a factor in putins decision.

Posted by: Fyador | Nov 11 2024 0:24 utc | 105

Marat Khairullin has written about Russian high-level plans for a DMZ. It would include Poltava under a Russian-selected Governor with significant ties to Ukraine. Someone who will behave because it will be smart business to do so.
Russia does NOT want to absorb Ukraine. Ukrainians are brainwashed and too corrupt to integrate into Russian social and legal norms. Putin has worked hard to reduce corruption in Russia.
I don’t think Trump will go for anything Putin wants to do, as the only upside is that he can claim to be a peacemaker. I believe that Scott Ritter mentioned Putin’s people have already told Trump that under no circumstances will Russia abandon Iran and West Asia.
The options and ideas that Trump can bring to a negotiation are a very short and uninspiring list. Trump’s real-estate BS won’t work on Putin. VVP isn’t going to be entranced by promises that extend beyond Trump’s short presidency or buy-offs as the Arab leaders go for.
Part of me is hoping that Putin dispels the mythology of Trump as a supreme American dealmaker. Americans will never get it but the Global South will.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 0:33 utc | 106

Rutte, displaying Dutch Courage. But in an ideal world Europe funding NATO and the U.S. doing an Afghanistan on NATO is closer than it may appear.
Phone calls between Trump and Putin are a good starting point, but while I doubt ultimatums were presented by either side, I doubt even more that any content of the discussion is known to the public.

Posted by: kupkee | Nov 11 2024 0:34 utc | 107

Quoted by Naive @100: “NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said that if Trump surrenders Ukraine to Putin, he will personally kick the US out of the alliance.”
Wonderful! That sounds like win-win-win to me!

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 11 2024 0:37 utc | 108

The same thing will happen with Pres Trumps plan, whilst Kiev builds up its weaponry once again, ready for the next war. Kiev will start to shell across the DM zone, the so-called peacekeepers will turn a blind eye, Russia will retaliate, western media will condemn Russia’s “aggression”.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 11 2024 0:18 utc | 10
NO NEED TO NEGOTIATE WITH TRUMP.

Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Nov 11 2024 0:39 utc | 109

Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 11 2024 0:18 utc | 10
Someone said on another thread that Russias card could be to request a UN organised referemndum in the four regions russia has liberated. Mi thinks this is a good card to play by Putin. They talk so much about democracy….lets see them abide by it then! Go Putin, Go!

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Nov 11 2024 0:43 utc | 110

@103
“I don’t know why they bothered, nobody believes eithr the BBC or military intelligence anyway.”
Mark Urban was one of the world’s most trustworthy military experts until he joined the BBC.

Posted by: GW | Nov 11 2024 0:44 utc | 111

@Ted from Liverpool | Mon, 11 Nov 2024 00:43:00 GMT | 110

request a UN organised referemndum in the four regions russia has liberated.

The UN doesn’t really “organize” referendums. They can send election observers to watch a vote at the request of a country, to see if it is “free and fair,” but otherwise normally the UN doesn’t get involved in setting up direct elections, due to sovereignty issues.

Posted by: James M. | Nov 11 2024 0:51 utc | 112

The obvious Trump action on the Ukraine would be to call for free & fair elections there, since Zelensky’s term expired months ago and there is no-one for the Russians to negotiate with.
If Zelensky calls elections, his regime will likely be replaced by one seeking a negotiated peace. If (more likely) Zelensky refuses, the US has good cause to wash its hands of the Ukraine.
To aid any negotiations between Russia and the Ukraine, President Trump could affirm that NATO Article V still stands, and the US will support any NATO member which is attacked. But to reduce tensions, the US will unilaterally remove all troops, pre-positioned equipment, and missiles from every NATO country which has a border with Russia, and the US will no longer participate in training exercises on the territories of those countries. That would save a bunch of US money, freeing it up for actions more useful to the US people.

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Nov 11 2024 1:21 utc | 113

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Nov 11 2024 1:21 utc | 113
Can you really expect Putin to trust ANYTHING the west, NATO or Trump proposes?

Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 11 2024 1:25 utc | 114

To the victor goes the spoils and the Russians are winning. Thus there is no outcome that we can get in Ukraine that will look good politically. So, the problem becomes who gets the blame. To the extent we can, pass it off to Europe. That and make a fuss about the cost of the war because that will play well with the public.

Posted by: Jmaas | Nov 11 2024 1:35 utc | 115

The west can absolutely stop Russia in Ukraine and force back to the 1991 borders if they wanted to within a month. Putin wouldn’t have much of a say in it other than get permission from China to use nukes in an offensive war.
Posted by: Alexander Granite | Nov 11 2024 1:41 utc | 116
Dont talk BOLLOX! Before a month was up New York and Washington would have been NUKED!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 11 2024 1:43 utc | 116

Posted by: Naive | Nov 10 2024 23:11 utc | 89
“Really? Rather another bullshit from the WP merdia. Until now there is no confirmation of that phone call and its contents from the Russian side.
Thanks for the timely reminder. Even after all the bs stories about Trump Russia collusion and a handful of Ukrainians on sailboat blowing up Nordstream, I still get taken in by something presented as a news story. I gotta remember to turn on my BS filter before I sit down to read.

Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 11 2024 1:59 utc | 117

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Nov 11 2024 0:43 utc | 110
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Russia has already held referendums. All of those territories are Constitutionally Russia now.
They are not up for negotiation.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 2:04 utc | 118

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Nov 11 2024 1:21 utc | 113
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Russia has been spanking NATO repeatedly since late ’22.
Article 5 is another Western threat whose reputation Russia has debunked.
Europe can’t raise armies, it can’t build materiel or munitions. America, like its fascist proxy, Israel, isn’t able to fight a sustained conflict due to lack of military industry.
Trump would have to be brain damaged to make an Article 5 threat.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 2:15 utc | 119

Russia has already held referendums. All of those territories are Constitutionally Russia now.
They are not up for negotiation.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 2:04 utc | 119
I agree. But they were called a “sham” in the west. My point is that by requesting the UN or other prestigious body to oversee such referendi, would legitimise them in the eyes of the world and therefore not a “sham”, which changes the dynamic somewhat.

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Nov 11 2024 2:17 utc | 120

Russia can continue doing what it is doing and the kill ratio gets better and better as the ukies continue to lose effectiveness. Once Russia accepts an unconditional surrender they can have a referendum in each oblast. If Odessa votes Russia, it’s Russian.

Posted by: comrade simba | Nov 11 2024 2:19 utc | 121

If NATO wants to go at the Russian Federation in Ukraine while lacking the backing of the Trump administration they will be weakening the positions of their economies relative to the United States. Remember who suffered the most in WWI and how the United States flourished afterwards, and remember who suffered in WWII and how the United States enjoyed dominance over Europe afterwards.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 11 2024 2:28 utc | 122

Regarding Odessa, I’ve long wondered how much it is in fact bound to the rest of Ukraine and to what degree it sees itself instead a city-state. Where do the troops guarding it live? Are some of them local militia? How loyal are the police to Kiev?
If the Russian Federation offered to grant them the status of a city state under their auspices, and guaranteed the salaries of everyone until things got sorted out, that could look vastly preferable to getting with hit with a vast numbers of missiles as the appetizer to having artillery gather within range of the the city center.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 11 2024 2:36 utc | 123

I voted for Trump bc he knew more about nukes than his neocon puppet opponent and bc I enjoy liberals’ tears and their heads exploding.
US is not trustworthy under Trump, therefore no talk until NS II paid for, assets released with penalties interest, Odessa released and sanctions relieved,
Then talk, w/o cease fire.

Posted by: paddy | Nov 11 2024 2:41 utc | 124

Russia, just pile it on, until they beg for mercy.

Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 11 2024 2:58 utc | 125

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Nov 11 2024 2:17 utc | 121
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No one in the rest of the world cares what a bunch of Western degenerates think.
You should stop caring too, because seeking approval is weak behavior, seeking approval from an inferior is insane.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 3:01 utc | 126

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Nov 11 2024 2:17 utc | 121
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The UN can’t stop a genocide. Are you daft?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 3:03 utc | 127

ZH has a smarmy posting up about the supposed talk between Putin and Trump
The title
First Trump-Putin Call Since Election Focuses On The Quick ‘Resolution Of Ukraine War’
The smarmy quote

The Washington Post describes that “During the call, which Trump took from his resort in Florida, he advised the Russian president not to escalate the war in Ukraine and reminded him of Washington’s sizable military presence in Europe, said a person familiar with the call, who, like others interviewed for this story, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.”

This makes it sound like Putin initiated the call which I read elsewhere was initiated, IF IT HAPPENED, by Trump side.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 11 2024 3:13 utc | 128

Russia, just pile it on, until they beg for mercy.
Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 11 2024 2:58 utc | 126
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Trump will understand force, eventually..
A lot of his big talk wilts when confronted.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 3:13 utc | 129

Regarding Odessa, I’ve long wondered how much it is in fact bound to the rest of Ukraine and to what degree it sees itself instead a city-state. Where do the troops guarding it live? Are some of them local militia? How loyal are the police to Kiev?
Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 11 2024 2:36 utc | 124
Europe going east is full of ethnic groups that have been at war with each other for as long as there has been a recorded history, and they don’t necessarily like each other. Ukraine is an assembled state that has ethnic Ukrainians to the west and ethnic Russians to the east. The people in Odessa are Russian and given a choice between being a part of Ukraine or a part of Russia, would surely want to be part of Russia.
Putin is going to do whatever he is going to do, and perhaps I am more territory hungry then him, but I think Russia should annex about a third of Ukraine. For the same reason the old USSR never really settled with Eastern Europe, I doubt they can produce a desirable outcome with the ethnic Ukrainians. So, make the country smaller and weaker, and thus less troublesome.

Posted by: Jmaas | Nov 11 2024 3:14 utc | 130

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 11 2024 3:13 utc | 129
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I have no doubt that narrative was leaked by Trump’s people.
I can believe he tried to threaten Putin.
Typically American, my way or the highway.
I hope VVP calls his bluff. Dead Americans under Trump will repudiate the idiotic peacemaker narrative.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 3:20 utc | 131

Trump will understand force, eventually..
A lot of his big talk wilts when confronted.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 3:13 utc | 130
Be interesting to see just what he does, I think. He’s an predictable twat.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 11 2024 3:26 utc | 132

test

Posted by: scanalyse | Nov 11 2024 3:36 utc | 133

Well, Biden is still the President, so…
Biden allows deployment of US military ‘contractors’ to Ukraine – media | RT; 9 Nov,2024

The administration of outgoing President Joe Biden has lifted a de facto ban on deploying US defense contractors to Ukraine to repair American-made armaments, Reuters and CNN reported on Friday, citing anonymous Pentagon officials.
This reversal of previous US policy comes as Donald Trump, who has been skeptical of providing funding and military assistance to Ukraine in its conflict with Russia, secured his second term in the White House. While it is unclear whether Trump would have continued the prior policy, he has promised not to put American lives at risk and to rapidly conclude the conflict once in office again.
The potential American presence on the ground will be “small” and located “far” from the front lines, and they are not expected to engage in combat, Reuters wrote on Friday, citing an anonymous US official.

Posted by: scanalyse | Nov 11 2024 3:39 utc | 134

Trump advised Putin not to escalate the war in Ukraine and reminded him of “Washington’s sizeable military presence in Europe”, the WaPo reported.

Putin, who has been in power in Russia since 2000, was amazed, stunned, awestruck and dutifully intimidated when his attention was directed by Trump to the “big, beautiful, most powerful, most amazing” U$ military presence in Europe.
This whole entire sloSMO, and Putin’d completely let the “big, beautiful, best military in the entire history of the world”, completely slip his awareness.
Oh dear dog, another 4years of this^ *
*[probably better then the alternative]

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 11 2024 3:56 utc | 135

Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 11 2024 3:26 utc | 133
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The thing about Trump is that he is predictably unpredictable.
It’s so tiring. More adults needed in positions of power.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 4:15 utc | 136

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 11 2024 3:56 utc | 136
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Kamala would have been less entertaining but we’re talking about WW3, so less entertainment might be a plus.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 4:19 utc | 137

Russia is unable to destroy Ukrainian 750 KV network.
That all means that the war shall last long.
Posted by: vargas | Nov 10 2024 15:27 utc | 8
NO. That means that you still have NO idea what you’re talking about

Posted by: Screwdriver | Nov 11 2024 4:46 utc | 138

Barflies,
To repeat – the Ukrainian Civil War is a sideshow to the global struggle. Moscow‘s war aims are described in its Peace Proposal of Dec 2021. worth revisiting.
The core of Moscow‘s War Aims on that Proposal is a Roll-Bsck of NATO members to 1997 status.
Until that subject is on the table, negotiations are a distraction. Both Moscow and Peking recognize the War Party in Washington is driving the Gov’t into insolvency . The solvency crisis will take another couple of years to unfold. Moscow and Peking will wait.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 11 2024 4:59 utc | 139

Posted by: Bob Hopkins | Nov 10 2024 22:49 utc | 84
The only thing dumber than Stevie King are the fools that buy her books

Posted by: Screwdriver | Nov 11 2024 6:05 utc | 140

Little remark from little Slovakia – what Slovak PM said this weekend, after meeting with the clown in Budapest:
“Did you see a man who is afraid of this war’s end? I did. His name is Zelensky.”
But if Volodya’s rulers will say the war is over, Volodya is over too.

Posted by: Jergus Lapin | Nov 11 2024 6:25 utc | 141

I am fixated to 750 KV network as it is a way to stop the war without much destruction, without killing people.Posted by: vargas | Nov 10 2024 22:37 utc | 81
I presume this is the rest of the network. If so then what makes you think it won’t kill anyone? Winter is coming and this will surely kill those at home without heating? I have always presumed Russia moves as slowly as possible to give the idiots in charge of Ukr a chance to come to the table – yet again – and to have a bit of infrastructure that functions left over. Which gets less and less all the time. But I am fairly sure Russia doesn’t want all the mothers and children and old people left over to freeze in their beds however foolish they have been.

Posted by: Inki | Nov 11 2024 6:39 utc | 142

Trump Calls Putin – WaPo
https://www.rt.com/russia/607444-putin-trump-ukraine-call
“The US president-elect has reportedly called the Russian leader to discuss the Ukraine conflict and its political settlement.
Thus far, Moscow has made no official comments on the reported phone call…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 11 2024 6:48 utc | 143

To its great embarrassment, US has never treated Mr. Putin and his officials with respect. Per MacGregor, 11/8, no “agreements” with Russia can happen unless this changes, unless US policy changes to the point that it respects Russia:
“I think Putin said the right thing: ‘We’re going to listen, we’ll talk.’ They would like good relations,
but how do you get there
unless the United States are first of all willing to treat Russia as a great power, treat it with respect, respect Russia’s interests?
We’ve never done that
and that has to happen.”…
11/8/24, “Col Douglas Macgregor: Trump’s Maximum Pressure on Iran,”…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJLTH3MZ7jc….via, “https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/trepidations-trumpian-foreign-policy…
Added: Trump guy Brian Hook is worse than Blinken:
“DD: “I wonder what your thoughts are on Brian Hook?
DM: He will certainly be the Under Secretary in the Department of State for something–or the Deputy, one of the two–so he’ll play a very strong role. I would regard Brian Hook
as a more aggressive version of Tony Blinken,
so in that sense nothing is changing at the Department of State, except the new incoming crowd is
likely to be far more belligerent
about the use of force, specifically against Iran.”…
https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/trepidations-trumpian-foreign-policy
…………………..
US taxpayers will remain enslaved to US genocide mob unless US breaks up into 3 or 4 separate countries.

Posted by: susan mullen | Nov 11 2024 6:53 utc | 144

Referendums- what about elections in the whole of Ukr that’s left. It would be interesting to see who would run and who would get a vote and who they would vote for.
Blackrock et al like it just like it is depopulated. Now they can get down to business whatever that might be.
Suggesting NATO or Europe are in charge of the demilitarised zone and Ukr is permitted to rearm is lunacy but maybe a good bargaining position to back down from.
I have always thought Odessa would be a neutral city but the UK is so untrustworthy making it stick would take a lot of policing.

Posted by: Inki | Nov 11 2024 6:54 utc | 145

comrade simba | Nov 11 2024 2:19 utc | 122
“Once Russia accepts an unconditional surrender they can have a referendum in each oblast. If Odessa votes Russia, it’s Russian.”
And if they don’t “vote Russia”? Then Russia is supposed to settle for strategic failure? I don’t know why one would be willing to kill someone on a battlefield but then turn around and submit to the “vote” of that same enemy.
Annexing or otherwise permanently securing control of Odessa and the littoral comprise a strategic necessity for Russia, and it would be stupid to let any fetish for “voting” override that. I don’t know what the result of an accurately counted Odessa vote would be, but unless at least a supermajority is guaranteed, it would be retarded to hold a referendum.
In fact it would be stupid to hold a referendum in any strategically necessary region where the vote might be in doubt. Those regions must be annexed or held under firm Russian control, and any “Ukrainian” squatters there who oppose that have to be expelled.

Posted by: flying dutchman | Nov 11 2024 7:35 utc | 146

If the electricity would be disrupted people from Ukraine could move elsewhere, to Poland, Germany…
Nobody would die.
But Ukraine and EU would be defeated in a moment.

Posted by: vargas | Nov 11 2024 7:48 utc | 147

If the electricity would be disrupted people from Ukraine could move elsewhere, to Poland, Germany…
Nobody would die.
But Ukraine and EU would be defeated in a moment.

Posted by: vargas | Nov 11 2024 7:48 utc | 148

Trump will understand force, eventually..
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024
Trump is more like an average US citizen then Biden. And forece and agression is the only thing ge xan understand.
The corporate understanding of politics is close to the one that rules buffalo’s and pavians- the logic of alpha males. Only the strongest can fuck. In their mindset, everything is a fight, kill or be killed. Like in those film about real estate sellers, I do not remamber the name.
But anyway, even Putin’s word about negotiations makes Russia look weak in Trump’s eyes. And he smells anice kill as they say at Wall street.

Posted by: vargas | Nov 11 2024 7:59 utc | 149

@flying dutchman | Mon, 11 Nov 2024 07:35:00 GMT | 147

In fact it would be stupid to hold a referendum in any strategically necessary region where the vote might be in doubt.

If the Russian military controls the region the vote will not be in doubt.

Posted by: James M. | Nov 11 2024 8:10 utc | 150

If the electricity would be disrupted people from Ukraine could move elsewhere, to Poland, Germany…
Nobody would die.
But Ukraine and EU would be defeated in a moment.
Posted by: vargas | Nov 11 2024 7:48 utc | 148
Ok I see you insist on being daft.

Posted by: Inki | Nov 11 2024 8:17 utc | 151

https://news-pravda.com/nato/2024/11/10/842835.html

Rutte threatened Trump: “I will personally expel the United States”
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has threatened Donald Trump. If the United States gives Ukraine to Putin, the Secretary General promised: “I will personally expel the United States” from the North Atlantic Alliance. Experts talk about the possible consequences of such an intention by Rutte.

Being louder than Trump, let’s see how that goes. Hilarious if true.
NATO is dead and good riddance. Cue torn hair, wailing, screams and shouts.

Posted by: SOS | Nov 11 2024 8:26 utc | 152

Starmer and Macron, both idiots of note, are meeting today. Most likely to allow Ukraine the use of long reaching missiles.
It seems like Paris and London could start glowing in the dark.
The world is mad.

Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 11 2024 8:47 utc | 153

So much noise these days…
*Rutte: Is it attention steking or another display of absolutely unhinged TDS?
*Norway major opposition party wants to TRIPLE weapons aid to Ukraine.
*Reported Trump-Putin phone call appearing to try setting up as confrontational scene as possible.
*Peace plan from Trump-admin “insider” is sheer lunacy and has no element of realism.
*Biden-handlers formalizing permission of US merceneries/contractors to be present in Ukraine.
0S and Trump-hating West is doing everything to make a future peace as impossible as they can. This, while Trump must be struggling to keep all cardd as close as possible, because anything else is suicide.
And still more than two months before and possible change of power in DC.

Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Nov 11 2024 8:55 utc | 154

So, the problem becomes who gets the blame. To the extent we can, pass it off to Europe. That and make a fuss about the cost of the war because that will play well with the public.

Posted by: Jmaas | Nov 11 2024 1:35 utc | 115
It could play well with an Anglophone public ignorant of the fact that the USA (and UK?) started this conflict to disrupt what relations Europe and Russia had before 2014. I can’t imagine the Russians being that oblivious.

Posted by: joey_n | Nov 11 2024 9:40 utc | 155

When Russia invaded Ukraine nearly 3 years ago, it didn’t expect to end up fighting for Kursk with the aid of North Korean troops.
The situation is tough for Ukraine, but it’s hardly promising for Russia either – keep it in mind when reading Russian calls for capitulation.

Posted by: Louis | Nov 11 2024 10:02 utc | 156

Starmer and Macron, both idiots of note, are meeting today. Most likely to allow Ukraine the use of long reaching missiles.
It seems like Paris and London could start glowing in the dark. The world is mad.
Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 11 2024 8:47 utc | 154

I agree with you G, as a citizen of Perfidious Albion, I assumed deep state cutout Starmer was groomed to first ensure former leader Jeremy Corbyn was ousted (his crime was caring too much about the working class & too little about Israel) & second to be Prime Minister of War when the deep state decides the hot phase of the conflict with Russia begins.
As more than one MoA barfly has surmised: British fingerprints are all over the conflict between Ukraine & Russia & can be considered one of its prime enablers.
Highlights include the parachuting in of the BBC circa 2014 & the mass mind control of Ukrainians ever since; Boris Johnson delivering the ‘NATO says no’ message in 2022 in the wake of the staged Bucha atrocities, most likely using murdered pro-Russians as props; the failed Crimean bridge attacks; the 2023 Robotyne counter-offensive & the commando Boy’s Own Krynky failures; the Kursk misadventure & just today I read of Russia pointing the finger at British intelligence over a plot to lure a Russian pilot and his Mi-8MTPR-1 EW helicopter away from the motherland…
In this context, along with Macron’s French ‘troops on the ground’ proposal and his ‘strategic deception’ nonsense, the long range missiles are most certainly waiting in the wings, perhaps just a false flag away from being used.
What spooked both the Germans (with their Taurus missiles) & the Americans into turning down one of (former) Saint Zelensky’s ‘secret clauses’ in his ‘victory plan’, namely to remove any restrictions on missile targets & distance is a mystery, especially given the fact that Starmer along with his French counterparts had flown to the US to jointly anounce the removal of said restrictions.
Still, the UK isn’t giving up and as recent as three days ago, arch-Russophobe & former head of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove wrote in the UK’s premier newspaper of trash, The Sun (or The Scum as it is fondly known) that he believes Trump will give the go-ahead:

“I think that Trump is less risk averse than Biden was in terms of how American weapons might be used in Ukraine and you could imagine a situation where he takes the restraints off Ukrainian use of longer range American missile capability which the Ukrainians will have.”

So there we have it, if and when the go ahead for the use of deep missile penetration into Russia is given, a series of escalations could ultimately lead to Paris burning and the bottom half of the UK washed away by a well placed Tsunami bomb in the North Sea (luckily I live in the top half).
Of course it could also lead to a global nuclear winter & perhaps that’s why many in the Pentagon opposed Zelensky’s ‘secret clause’. Unfortunately for the future of Planet Earth, in Paris and London certain psychopaths would consider that a small price to pay for destroying Russia.

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Nov 11 2024 10:08 utc | 157

Starmer and Macron, both idiots of note, are meeting today. Most likely to allow Ukraine the use of long reaching missiles.
It seems like Paris and London could start glowing in the dark.
The world is mad.
Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 11 2024 8:47 utc | 154
The world is mad.
Rational people like Putin do not function properly with madmen.

Posted by: vargas | Nov 11 2024 10:24 utc | 158

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz also spoke with Trump on Sunday about working together towards a “return of peace” to Europe, according to Scholz’s spokesman Steffen Hebestreit.
During the call, Scholz emphasized the importance of continuing to provide Ukraine with support, Hebestreit said.
In their first telephone call since Trump won the US election, Scholz offered Trump the opportunity to “continue the decades of successful cooperation between the governments of both countries,” the spokesman added.
On Sunday evening, Scholz appeared on a talk show on public broadcaster ARD, and seemed unfazed about the prospect of future cooperation with Trump, saying you have to take political situations as they come.
“My principle is always, if I may say so casually: You dance with those who are in the room. And that also applies to the future president of the US,” Scholz said.
“I’m never naive, but I’m also a bit unflustered,” he added.
During his first term as US president, Trump criticized Berlin for insufficient military spending, the country’s trade surplus, and the German-Russian gas pipeline Nord Stream 2.
Scholz pointed out that Germany is now spending 2% of its gross national product on defense. This falls in line with NATO guidelines.
The chancellor also made it clear that he expects Trump to adhere to the commitment made by outgoing President Biden to station US intermediate-range missiles in Germany. (…)
https://www.dw.com/en/trump-talks-ukraine-in-separate-calls-with-putin-scholz/a-70749452

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 11 2024 10:25 utc | 159

Looks as if the trial balloon floated by the Washington Post has burst: https://sputnikglobe.com/20241111/kremlin-says-putin-trump-held-no-conversation-reports-about-it-false-1120852157.html

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – There was no conversation between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President-elect Donald Trump, and all reports about it are false, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Monday.
Earlier in the day, the Washington Post claimed, citing sources, that Trump allegedly had a phone conversation with Putin on November 7.
“This is the most obvious example of the quality of the information that is now being published, sometimes even in fairly reputable outlets. This is completely untrue. This is pure fiction. This is just false information,” Peskov told reporters, answering a relevant question.
There are no concrete plans for any talks between Putin and Trump as of yet, the spokesman clarified.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 11 2024 10:31 utc | 160

YouTuber Lindybeige has deleted this magnificent livestream that now can only be appreciated on Telegram

Classic video, British mercenary got a gift from a Ukrainian sapper and was boasting about it in a YouTube livestream…
https://t.me/European_dissident/62435

English excellence!

Posted by: too scents | Nov 11 2024 10:33 utc | 161

Nato head Mark Rutte has reportedly threatened to eject US from NATO if ‘Trump surrenders Ukraine to Putin’. If this is true, the end of Nato is written on the wall.
The level of experience and the most basic intelligence in the west has dropped so dramatically that this by itself can finally lead to self-destruction of EU and Nato, since he apparently doesn’t have understanding how Nato works and how it is actually funded, and what the real underlying utilization of Nato is (transferring wealth from Europe to US).

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2024 10:41 utc | 162

The conversation between Putin and Trump, which the Washington Post wrote about, did not happen, this is false information – Peskov
▪️Russia continues the special operation until its goals are achieved, and no supply of Western weapons to Kyiv can change the dynamics.
▪️There are no specific plans for contacts between Putin and Trump yet.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/80453

Posted by: guest | Nov 11 2024 10:57 utc | 163

A street exhibition against the financing of Ukrainian Nazism, “Look Where Your Taxes Go,” opened in Barcelona.
The tent contains posters about Nazism in Ukraine, infographics of EU funding for the Kiev regime, the text of a transcript of the US Congress from June 2015, where Azov is recognized as a Nazi organization, and other graphic exhibits.

found this on telegram . i wonder how fast its going to be shut down.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 11 2024 10:59 utc | 164

I agree. But they [the referenda] were called a “sham” in the west.
Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Nov 11 2024 2:17 utc | 121
_____
You and your all too many confreres here simply don’t get it. SO F***ING WHAT? You think that at this point the Russians are worried about what the West thinks? Seriously?

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 11 2024 11:50 utc | 165

The Russians are not shutting down all power in Ukraine for a simple reason: they do not dare escalate the conflict to the point of destroying Ukraine’s nuclear power plants. While much else has been damaged, nuclear power plants represent a significant red line that neither side wants to cross.
As for negotiations, I don’t see any realistic path forward. Both sides have, to a large extent, burned their bridges. Russia would need to change its constitution to return parts of the Donbas to Ukraine, while Ukraine would have to make similar constitutional changes to cede the region to Russia. Neither Russian leadership nor, especially, Ukrainian leadership could politically survive such a move.
Furthermore, Russia initiated this conflict largely due to NATO’s approach toward expanding into Ukraine, which it saw as a red line. If Russia were to agree to NATO membership for Ukraine now or even in 20 years, it would imply that countless Russian lives were lost in vain.
I see no likely outcome other than one side ultimately capitulating. Russia may even consider nuclear weapons before conceding, but is the West truly prepared to risk a similar escalation for Ukraine?

Posted by: John Archer | Nov 11 2024 12:45 utc | 166

Part of me is hoping that Putin dispels the mythology of Trump as a supreme American dealmaker. Americans will never get it but the Global South will.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 0:33 utc | 106
Before Putin can dispel the mythology that Trump is the supreme American dealmaker he’s going to have to convince Trump himself that he isn’t the supreme American dictator.
The way I see it Trump will go to war and blame Putin rather than be seen as losing a negotiation to him.
Trump is mythologized as a real estate developer but he really failed at that dispite the fortune his father left him … by the time the show runners for The Apprentice found him he was hawking steak knives and doing McDonalds commercials to stay afloat. They said his office at the time was shabby, in need of a renovation and staffed by 3 people. The Apprentice saved him and to this day he’s primarily an actor playing the role of a CEO. He even has a star on the Hollywood walk of fame. He’s obsesses with public opinion and “ratings” is favourite insult is “you’ve got terrible ratings”.
The only way I can see Trump getting out of the Ukraine war without looking weak is to destroy NATO. Then he can blame Ukraines capitulation on NATO and in his wisdom he got the USA out of a very bad deal for Americans. He’s not going to let Putin ruin his “ratings”

Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 11 2024 13:34 utc | 167

I believe when Trump won the first time he was just as surprised as everyone else and was TOTALLY unprepared and it showed. He was doing it as a favor to Hillary and to
“polish his Brand”.

Posted by: qparker | Nov 11 2024 13:40 utc | 168

@Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 11 2024 13:34 utc | 168
An excellent portrait of Trump, a narcissistic actor playing at being a successful business man. His appointments are more important than usual for a president, as it is they that will be doing the thinking. At least no Pompeo or Haley, but we have yet to see who he actually appoints.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 11 2024 13:44 utc | 169

The west can absolutely stop Russia in Ukraine and force back to the 1991 borders if they wanted to within a month.
Posted by: Alexander Granite | Nov 11 2024 1:41 utc | 116
Get your head out of your ass Alexander.
We know that israeli f-35’s turned tail and ran after some unknown radar in Iran’s possession locked onto them a couple of weeks ago.
Then there is this incident in the South china Sea recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk03RJCTWq8&t=8s
Maybe you can take on Russia in thirty years when you learn to achieve air supremacy again but for now you’re just another country with a bloated military that enters many war but is never really victorious in any of them.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 11 2024 13:49 utc | 170

The world is mad.
Rational people like Putin do not function properly with madmen.
Posted by: vargas | Nov 11 2024 10:24 utc | 159
“As long as the roots are not severed all will be well.” Chauncy Gardner.

Posted by: Mike R | Nov 11 2024 14:26 utc | 171

Posted by: Louis | Nov 11 2024 10:02 utc | 157
#########
Liberated, not invaded. Ukraine had been waging a genocide on the Russian stock Ukrainians in the East for years. Putin tried everything he could to not intervene, see Minsk 1 and Minsk 2.
If you don’t know, don’t write.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 15:01 utc | 172

Posted by: John Archer | Nov 11 2024 12:45 utc | 167
##########
I don’t recognize your name.
Read my comment @ 173.
Putin didn’t go into Ukraine over NATO. He went in because America was once again conducting a genocide, this time of Russians.
If you don’t know these basic and proven facts, it may be wise to cease commenting until you know what you are talking about.
Are you capable of wisdom?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 11 2024 15:06 utc | 173

Professor Glenn Diesen is opening a new interesting point of view describing a new/old geopolitical process originating from within Europe itself driving the conflict in Ukraine
https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/the-wests-dangerous-self-delusions
I thought at ghe beginning of the SMO that the conflict in Ukraind had been exclusively a US creation for US interests, but with the unexpected result of redrawing the Eastern frontier of Europe as a secondary effect.
It seems to me now after reading Diesen that maybe the European elites in Brussel are the ones pushing for the expansion of Europe Eastward at fhe expense of Russia.
Maybe Brussel is in the driver seat and Washington through NATO/Biden was the puppet.
It is the quest of Putin to find out who is orchestrating the long lasting conflict with Russia now that the Biden team is out or nearly so.

Posted by: Richard L | Nov 11 2024 15:15 utc | 174

LoveDonbas
You are to emotionaly involved to have a serious discussion about this.Could that what was happening to the Russians be qualified as a genocide, maybe but not sure about it. The Ukranians wanted assimilation,not extermination.

Posted by: John Archer | Nov 11 2024 16:18 utc | 175

@176
Genocide is defined by intent, not by the number killed, so yes, it can be considered a genocide. The Ukronazis were trying to wipe out ethnic Russians.
You don’t ‘assimilate’ by perpetually shelling civilians.

Posted by: Bob Hopkins | Nov 11 2024 16:29 utc | 176

The Ukranians wanted assimilation,not extermination.

Posted by: John Archer | Nov 11 2024 16:18 utc | 176
Events at the Odessa Trade Union Hall (among other atrocities) suggest that someone has a very peculiar definition of assimilation…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 11 2024 16:36 utc | 177

@178
By this bizarre definition of ‘assimilation’, I guess the Isreali’s are just trying to ‘assimilate’ the Palestinians.

Posted by: Bob Hopkins | Nov 11 2024 16:39 utc | 178

No, what is happening in Gaza is definitely Genocide. Trying to ethnically cleanse or exterminate a group of people is genocide by definition. What the Ukrainians tried to do is the same that the other Baltic nations already done, assimilate the Russian population. Have they cracked down on any Russian dissent? Yes heavily and in the process lost all right to govern over them.

Posted by: John Archer | Nov 11 2024 17:03 utc | 179

Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 11 2024 13:34 utc | 168
You should go on MSNBC, they seem to need cheering up. Actually, come to think of it, you’d depress them even more, this second/third rate incompetent buffoon survived four years of relentless attacks, assassination attempts and still managed to clean their candidates clock, even with its full MSM and institutional support, and a billion dollar campaign.

Posted by: Milites | Nov 11 2024 18:09 utc | 180

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 10 2024 15:38 utc | 13
Simplest trick in the book. We KO’d 14 BTR’s (only evidence is 2-3 being hit), they carry 10 soldiers so 140 casualties inflicted on such and such a unit. Same as the Harris’ campaign, our polls suggest she’s winning record support amongst suburban women, there are x numbers of suburban women in county y, who traditionally vote at z percentage, so we’ve ahead and will win this swing state.
GIGO fantasies are great for morale, but sooner or later you’ve got to face reality, or more accurately, reality grabs you and forces you to face it.

Posted by: Milites | Nov 11 2024 18:21 utc | 181

The Ukranians wanted assimilation,not extermination.
Posted by: John Archer | Nov 11 2024 16:18 utc | 176

no. the “ukrainians” wanted ethnical cleansing and cultural genocide. just look at all the laws and edicts they have enacted. they want the land, not the people living there. there was no attempt on assimilation. some rada douches even went on ukrainian tv an proudly announced that they want to reduce the population in the donbass to around a million to make it easier to govern. this is a farcry from assimilation.
and btw, “ukraine” once again voted against the resolution on combating nazism. alongside with its donors.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 11 2024 18:43 utc | 182

Posted by: Richard L | Nov 11 2024 15:15 utc | 175
It seems to me now after reading Diesen that maybe the European elites in Brussel are the ones pushing for the expansion of Europe Eastward at fhe expense of Russia.
Maybe Brussel is in the driver seat and Washington through NATO/Biden was the puppet.

This point of view is confirmed by today’s Starmer & Macron meeting under some stupid pretext — their main topic is to try once more to get the USA to allow Storm Shadow use by Ukraine. It looks like a last desperate attempt to escalate before the Donald enters the White House. Dagmar Henn speculates (quite convincingly unfortunately) that their move only makes sense if Ukraine will use their new missiles with nuclear payload (and Ukraine has that; what they’re lacking are the carriers). If a conventional Storm Shadow (or Taurus) missile hits pre-2014 Russia then that’ll trigger a reaction but not one that’s strong enough to force the USA to counter-escalate.
I still think that the USA will prevent this — it’s clearly not in their interest (which means the interest of most of their capitalist classes) who are about to transfer wealth from EUrope (and UK) to the motherland. Like you, Richard, I am surprised about this turnaround.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/10/starmer-join-macron-armistice-day-paris-show-european-solidarity
https://de.rt.com/meinung/225612-wie-weit-wollen-starmer-und/ (in German)

Posted by: Konami | Nov 11 2024 18:56 utc | 183

John Archer | Nov 11 2024 16:18 utc | 176
*** The Ukranians wanted assimilation, not extermination.***
Exceedingly peculiar way they indicated any desire for “assimilation”.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 11 2024 19:20 utc | 184

GIGO fantasies are great for morale, but sooner or later you’ve got to face reality, or more accurately, reality grabs you and forces you to face it.

Posted by: Milites | Nov 11 2024 18:21 utc | 182
Agreed; what I’m not sure about is just how much force reality will need to grab the likes of Radakin, Dearlove or the idiot de Bretton-Gordon. These shysters seem so immersed in their version of “reality” I really don’t see what could shake them out of it, short of serious damage to British military infrastructure that exposes an inability to retaliate.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 11 2024 19:33 utc | 185

Posted by: Bob Hopkins | Nov 11 2024 16:39 utc | 179
Perhaps they are going for some kind of Star Trek Borg-style assimilation…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 11 2024 19:37 utc | 186

@187 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang
Indeed.
How you can come to the conclusion that murdering civilians en masse over a period of years is an attempt to ‘assimilate’ the population is mental gymnastics that can only be properly ‘qualified’ if the bodies of the civilians you murder are buried in the area you are trying to capture.

Posted by: Bob Hopkins | Nov 11 2024 19:51 utc | 187

To add to Philologist’s reservations, I’d say it’s clear that the types and quantities of weapons supplied, the strikes and provocations undertaken, have been deliberately calculated to stay below a threshold of controversy that would’ve motivate, amongst other responses, more timely, more beneficial reform.
Just one example: Ukraine’s been asking for ATACMS and cruise missiles since well before SMO, these could’ve been rushed in at the start of hostilities to exploit early weakness in Russian forces but they weren’t, why bother? Just warm things up if they’re too cool, cool thing down if too hot, keep both sides engaged and hopeful.
U.S. strategists never pass up an opportunity to cultivate opponents they can get the drop on: an atavistic, casualty heavy, shrapnel and septicaemia conflict, that preserves enough of the general staff’s pre-SMO toxic mold to mock systemic reform efforts, both during and after SMO, would be nicely in Empire’s comfort zone.
https://t.me/philologist_zov/1694

As we can see, there have been noticeable advances by our forces in a number of areas in recent months. But, as you can see, I am not particularly enthusiastic about these advances.
The sagging of the enemy’s defenses, up to and including crumbling in some areas, as far as I can see, is largely a consequence of the following two circumstances.
Firstly, the enemy’s materiel (in the broad sense) is sagging. Foreign supplies are limited, and at the current stage, the enemy’s materiel is exposed to sensitive influence due to regular work in the rear with high-precision remote weapons.
Secondly, the enemy is experiencing progressive problems with the quantity and quality of personnel: losses are high, mobilization is difficult, training periods are being reduced, the quality of training in Ukraine itself is declining, desertion is on the rise, and many units with a high percentage of newly called up troops do not have sufficient stability due to poor training and low morale.
As for our side, the knocking out of the enemy’s materiel in the rear areas at the current stage has finally acquired a fairly systemic character. In terms of significant positive advances in equipping the army, I would like to note long-range reconnaissance and reconnaissance-strike UAVs. Frontline aviation remains the main tool for destabilizing the enemy’s near rear and front lines.
We have not yet been able to reach a qualitatively new level of technical equipment and organization of combat operations of our ground forces, plus there are no plans to change the very paradigm of ground forces’ actions. Our progress is thus achieved primarily due to the problems of the enemy itself and at a very high price.
I see the traps in the strategy of attrition of the enemy for us in the fact that against the background of a certain effect achieved by this strategy, the ways of its practical implementation are not subject to critical re-evaluation, the response is situational and does not take into account possible force majeure, and precisely because of the formal achievement of de facto controversial successes, our army risks getting stuck in technical, organizational and managerial backwardness.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 11 2024 19:53 utc | 188

Posted by: Milites | Nov 11 2024 18:09 utc | 181
I’m not interested in US partisan politics. From what I can see Trump got the same treatment as Obama got from Fox etc. when he ran. I seem to remember Obama being portrayed everything from a muslim born in Kenya to the antichrist. The reason Trump gets so much negative attention is because Trump gives them so much ammunition. I’ve often said that we get the worst candidates for office here in the west because good leaders live colourful lives that can’t pass media scrutiny.
Trump is an excellent salesman but a mediocre business man at best … usually it takes 3 generations for a family business to fail … the first generation makes the capital, the second generation expands the business and the third loses everything. Trump nearly did it in two generations but thankfully he’s a good pitchman and made a success out of showbiz as his saving grace. Anyone would hire Trump as a salesman but no serious business man would make him a CEO … which is why he turned to showbiz. He has no real track record in sustaining a profitable business and will go to court to hide his financials from the public … you can’t blame the media for that and if he wasn’t president his tax troubles and legal problems wouldn’t be news. He’s really skilled at turning himself into the victim … in the unpresidential world that’s referred to a personality disorder.
I have nothing good to say about Clinton or Obama either … it’s simply a disfunctional charade of a political system in the USA. An oligarchy trying to appear democratic but giving the people the circus that is US politics

Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 11 2024 19:59 utc | 189

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/netanyahu-trump-election-win-israel-gaza-rcna178956
Someone is having a laugh as the heading link on Startpage shows “Benjamin Netanyahu won the U.S. presidential election”
Truth can be funny too…..

Posted by: saner | Nov 11 2024 19:59 utc | 190

Dima Military Summary is reporting the Kurakhove dam has been destroyed. It’s on the western edge of the reservoir. The flooding could block Ukro reinforcements from further west from getting to the city. Maybe a big push in that direction soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQls9lJbM1Q

Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 11 2024 20:24 utc | 191

Resistance may or may not be futile…

They tried to burn the AFU helicopter: SBU detained a group of arsonists in three regions
Law enforcement officers detained five young people who, on the order of the Russian special services, committed arson in three regions of Ukraine.
This is reported by the press center of the SBU, reports RegioNews .
One of the groups tried to destroy the aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kirovohrad region, while others “hunted” for electrical substations, including at the facilities of Ukrzaliznytsya.
All the detainees were recruited by the enemy when they were looking for” easy ” earnings in Telegram channels.
However, instead of the promised funds from the Russian Federation, the defendants received suspicion from Ukrainian law enforcement officers.
So, in the Kirovohrad region, three young people aged 17 and 18 were detained “on hot”, who entered a military airfield, where they tried to burn a helicopter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
In addition, the defendants wanted to destroy one of the key electrical substations in the region in order to leave tens of thousands of local residents without electricity.
Law enforcement officers detained the intruders in advance and thus saved the Defense Forces combat helicopter and an important power facility.
In the Poltava region, a repeat offender was exposed who burned a military jeep that was involved in performing tasks on the Eastern Front.
According to the investigation, the defendant was previously brought to criminal responsibility for car theft, and in the fall of 2024 he received an order from Russia to set fire to vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
In the Cherkasy region, a 34-year-old resident of the region was detained, who set fire to a transformer substation that provided railway traffic in one of the sections of the region.
All the detainees were informed of suspicion under three articles of the Criminal Code of Ukraine.
The attackers are in custody. They face life imprisonment with confiscation of property.
Earlier it was reported that a man who burned five military vehicles will be tried in the Donetsk region .

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/kirovogradshchina/1731324357-namagalisya-spaliti-gelikopter-zsu-sbu-zatrimala-grupu-paliyiv-u-troh-oblastyah (via translation add-on.)

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 11 2024 20:34 utc | 192

Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 11 2024 20:24 utc | 192
This Ukrainian source is also reporting damage to the dam: https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/donetchina/1731336528-rosiyani-pidirvali-kurahivsku-greblyu-na-donechchini-shcho-zagrozhue-meshkantsyam-dvoh-oblastey

On Monday, November 11, Russian troops blew up the Kurakhovsky reservoir dam. There is a threat of flooding of homes of residents of Donetsk and Dnipropetrovsk regions
This was announced by the head of the Donetsk OVA Vadim Filashkin , informs RegioNews .
Russian propagandists published alleged footage of the destroyed dam in social networks.
“The Russians damaged the Kurakhovsky reservoir dam. This strike potentially poses a threat to residents of settlements on the Volchya River-both in the Donetsk region and in the Dnipro region.
According to Filashkin, as of 16:00, the water level in the river within the Velikonovoselkovsky community rose by 1.2 meters.
“Flooding of housing has not yet been recorded! We continue to monitor the water level in the river and are ready for any eventuality, ” Vadim Filashkin added.

(via translation add-on.)

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 11 2024 20:39 utc | 193

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 11 2024 20:39 utc | 194
Thanks. It seems like that whole southern axis west to Velyka Novosilka is ripe for collapse.

Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 11 2024 20:58 utc | 194

idiot German politicians could get into even more trouble
‼️🇩🇪🇩🇪🏴‍☠️🇺🇦👉🇷🇺 I will issue an ultimatum to Putin – either end the war in 24 hours or I will supply Ukraine with long-range Taurus missiles and give permission to strike at Russian territory, – candidate for German chancellor Merz.

Posted by: Jo | Nov 11 2024 22:09 utc | 195

as I had posted maybe a week ago…Trump Admin is proposing new elections in Ukraine
additionally and supporting-creating a party with a USA viewpoint -agenda.

Posted by: Jo | Nov 11 2024 22:27 utc | 196

@194
Why would Russian troops blow the dam, they need to cross that river sooner enough?
Likely misinformation from Kiev.

Posted by: paddy | Nov 11 2024 22:32 utc | 197

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 11 2024 19:33 utc | 186
They are simply mouthpieces who have an ego-investment in this conflict, probably compromised so usefulish assets to push the official narrative. The reality I’m talking about occupies the realm of the physical, not the mental, Ukraine’s slow collapse, vote totals, industrial capacity, balance of payments, all the things intellectuals and propagandists usually shy away from, preferring endless theoretical scenarios.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 11 2024 19:59 utc | 190
Trump, in his own words, lost the plot and diversified away from his core business with disastrous results. His forte was real estate, where he earned an excellent reputation for completing jobs under budget and on time and still owns premier establishments that have lasted for decades. Obama on the other hand, hid his college records, edited an in-house college magazine, became a community organiser (shake-down artist) and rapidly rose in politics through repeated interventions that helped him and hindered his opponents. There’s no comparison with their respective accomplishments, yet the media fawned on Obama, virtually deifying him whilst the vast majority of the MSM turned on their previous darling as soon as he challenged the Clintons.
As for your final comment, I wonder how you would describe Soviet Communism, or for that matter the Chinese variant. One might want to argue that all politics is a charade in some sense, theatre that requires the suspension of disbelief by the citizens, in return for competent governance and a chance for self-betterment. Some systems are superior to others, in this regard but all require a degree of pretence.

Posted by: Milites | Nov 11 2024 22:47 utc | 198

If France and Germany allowed Ukraine to use long range missiles to shoot deep into Russia, how would Russia retaliate ?
It seems to me that then, France or Germany should receive long range missiles onto their own country, no ? Would Russia use a proxy for this, as NATO has been doing ?

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 11 2024 22:48 utc | 199

Posted by: Jo | Nov 11 2024 22:09 utc | 196
idiot German politicians could get into even more trouble
‼️🇩🇪🇩🇪🏴‍☠️🇺🇦👉🇷🇺 I will issue an ultimatum to Putin – either end the war in 24 hours or I will supply Ukraine with long-range Taurus missiles and give permission to strike at Russian territory, – candidate for German chancellor Merz.

I don’t like explaining actions by stupidity — there’s usually a motive, often ulterior. With Merz/Kiesewetter/Roth/Baerbock and so on, I thought they’d be simply following Washington’s orders (it’s easier for Strack-Zimmermann who may just do this for greed). However, it looks as if we have diverging interests here: there’s not one “Washington” at the moment.
Of course, all of the above are die-hard transatlanticists, so more precisely they may follow neocon/Democrat orders. This would fit with Dagmar Henn’s RT article I linked in 185. Under her premise, the actions are still stupid for you and me but make more sense: late attempts to prevent Trump’s unwinding of the Ukraine war (which implies putting all follow-up costs onto EUropeans! — a bad situation they want to avoid).
Perhaps worth the price of Russian retaliation on e.g. German military production centers.
I also believe that Scholz knows something that Merz doesn’t but will know once he ascends the throne.

Posted by: Konami | Nov 11 2024 22:50 utc | 200