Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 28, 2024
To The Last Ukrainian

The U.S. is willing to (proxy-)fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian.

White House presses Ukraine to lower draft age to meet manpower needs against Russia

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden's administration is urging Ukraine to quickly increase the size of its military by drafting more troops and revamping its mobilization laws to allow for the conscription of those as young as 18.

A senior Biden administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private consultations, said Wednesday that the outgoing Democratic administration wants Ukraine to lower the mobilization age to 18 from the current age of 25 to expand the pool of fighting-age men available to help a badly outnumbered Ukraine in its nearly three-year-old war with Russia.

The official said “the pure math” of Ukraine's situation now is that it needs more troops in the fight.

"Pure math" also says that following the advice order from Washington will guarantee that there will be no future Ukrainians left to fight for:

I have pointed out six month ago that there are hardly a significant number of 18 to 25 year old left in Ukraine. If that cohort gets further diminished by senseless dying Ukraine's future will be even more bleak than it is now. Even the British nuts who earlier proposed to draft 18 year old Ukrainians have learned to shut up about it.

The graphic below, taken from Wikipedia's Demographics of Ukraine, presumes that Ukraine has a population of some 40 million:


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But the real population number in the areas under control of the Ukrainian government is by now only about 20 million, half of which are people of retirement age. Drafting the few men of age 18 to 25 will not help to win the war but will, over time, further depopulate Ukraine.

Even without sacrificing its youth Ukraine's demographic outlook is already bad:

Ukraine’s total fertility rate – the average number of babies per woman of child-bearing age – is currently 0.7, the lowest in the world. The country’s demographics have been further affected by a mass exodus to the West and significant casualties on the battlefield, to the point where the very survival of the nation is in question, a government-funded think tank told The Times earlier this year.

“Male life expectancy has decreased from 66-67 before the war to 57-58,” said Ella Libanova, head of the Institute for Demography and Social Studies at the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine. Only four African countries – Chad, Nigeria, Lesotho and the Central African Republic – have lower life expectancies.

During the war on Vietnam the U.S. completely destroyed the town of Ben Tre:

“It became necessary to destroy the town to save it,” a U.S. major said Wednesday.

Now the U.S. is likewise destroying the people of Ukraine to "save them" from further existence.

Ukrainian officials have for now rejected U.S. demands to lower the mobilization age:

"We are now in the situation when we need more equipment to arm all the people that have already been mobilized, and we think the first priority is to send quicker, faster military aid," Heorhii Tykhyi, a spokesman for Ukraine's foreign ministry, told reporters in Kyiv.

His statement echoed a comment on Wednesday from Ukrainian presidential adviser Dmytro Lytvyn, who criticized what he said was sluggish military aid.

"Ukraine cannot be expected to compensate for delays in logistics or hesitation in support with the youth of our men on the frontline,” Lytvyn wrote on X.

Politicians in Ukraine, like elsewhere, are bribable. With a significant amount of additional cash the Zelenzki regime can be induced to follow whatever wishes Washington might have.

Mobilizing the youth may though be the last decision the former president of Ukraine will make.

Comments

Barflies, I have a question about a thought that occurred to me on this Ukraine and other ongoing geopolitical crisis of US authorship.
The US increasingly in its slide from the peak of its power, is discovering limits here and there. A true heagemon is able to set and achieve geopolitical objectives, but a diminished power increasingly runs into obstacles and finds these unachievable, then has to settle for a spoiler role i.e. “if I can’t have it, nobody can”. So in post occupation Afghanistan, Syria, and now Ukraine, the initial objective of subduing and bringing these states under its control has failed, so the goal then becomes “denying adversaries the strategic potential” of the territory in question.
In Afghanistan it is denying China resource deals and scuttling belt and road (which depends on a reasonable level of peace, even if it is the rule of the Taliban). So we are seeing efforts at starting insurgent type conflicts against the Taliban, and the execution of Chinese engineers etc (some in Pakistan Baluchistan as well, possibly by same or afiliated actors). In Syria, being an Iranian ally which they couldn’t dislodge, the goal is for it to remains weak and conflict ridden.
So, finally, getting to my point, Ukraine, I think having failed in the initial goal of bringing ukraine into its orbit, the goal is to ensure that it never drifts back into the Russian orbit, and if it does, a nation that (internal corruption etc aside) held great potential as part of a military or economic alliance for Russia, will be largely useless and perhaps even a burden if it drifts back. So now, beyond the fading dream of Ukraine filling a long term role as Afghsnistan 2.0, the new goal is to “deny/destroy its strategic potential for the adversary” in the event internal anger over how Ukraine has been used by the west leads its social and political majority sentiment back into the Russian orbit. Does it strike others here as a possible strategy, not just in Ukraine but as broader US geopolitical philosophy?
Posted by: Olivia DeOliveira | Nov 29 2024 1:03 utc | 146
The preeminent and overriding US objective is to maintain US hegemony. The spoiler role you’ve mentioned is, rather than the secondary strategy they’ve fallen back on, the primary strategy to ensure no rivals can develop. This applies to every country, not just traditional boogiemen like China or Russia, but also emerging powerhouses of the EU, India, Brazil etc. Brian Berletic of New Atlas (https://www.youtube.com/@TheNewAtlas/videos) is very good at explaining how this all works and he backs it up with evidence from official policy papers from foremost US think tanks. I found his indepth evidence based analysis very insightful on the workings of US foreign policy and regime change tactics.
While the Ukraine proxy war was a failure in regards to Russia, it was massively successful at sabotaging the EU. Not only economic wise but also diplomatically. The betrayal of the Minsk agreements ensures Russia will not develop meaningful relations with the EU, and the show of unity that Russia, Germany, and France had in opposing the US war on Iraq will not happen again, nor could an axis of those countries form to oppose US foreign policy.

Posted by: Autumn | Nov 29 2024 9:53 utc | 201

https://johnhelmer.org/putin-announces-retaliation-strikes-against-americans-french-and-electric-grid-targets-oreshnik-saved-for-a-rainy-day/
Putin once again threatens ‘decision making centers’ in Ukraine.
Isn’t that the same threat he’s been making for nearly 3 years now??? Is it any wonder NATO doesn’t feel deterred and keeps sending ATACAMS and Storm Shadows, blows up Russian pipelines and all other manner of escalations?
It appears to me that Putin purposely leaves Western staff and weapons in Ukraine unchallenged, so that he then has something to hit later, after his own people and equipment get hit and die, to make it look like he is the one in charge and controlling the escalation ladder. Who does he think he is kidding? Evidently, not NATO.
“We reserve the right to strike the countries that supply weapons to Ukraine” is a weak statement that means Russia is deterred, and not NATO.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Nov 29 2024 9:54 utc | 202

Seems like a reasonable deal for the trump/vance vance/? years.
Opinions?
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2024 0:51 utc | 142
Everything Trump does will be reversed. Nothing is going to change over the longer term. They are a very, very, very tiny minority of the American ruling class. 99.9% of which wants things to continue as they did under Bush and Biden.
Hitching hope to the Trump campaign is a fools game drowned in short term thinking. As for Vance he will do anything the 99.9% tell him after Trump is gone.
In 50 years time will anybody have even remembered Trumps first term ? The same will be said in 50 years time regarding his second term. It will barely be remembered.
That’s why the blob always wins they very simply wait you out. If you want real change then you have to have no set presidential terms. Like Putin stay for 30 years and implement the change that is needed.
The blob is excellent at absorbing change to ensure change doesn’t happen. That ensures the status quo remains. They identify any weakness and fix it. Why of course the media today is now part of the blob. It used to be a thorn in their side now they own it. The unions and the peace movement used to be a weakness so they dismantled both. Any threat that got passed the blobs defences will be analysed and obliterated. They wait you out.
The left existed between 1945 – 1975 and it took them 5 years to completely destroy it. To the point if you were born today you wouldn’t even know it had existed at all. Unless your parents and grandparents told you about it. Until those stories also disappear over time. Vanish like the generations before them.
To the point, it now seems perfectly normal to fight elections over how far right on the right wing spectrum do we want to go. A situation the blob created. Which was anything but normal a generation ago.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 29 2024 10:16 utc | 203

What happens to Russia when Putin goes ?
Can anybody seriously name a successor that would represent Russia the way he has ?
Most don’t want to look that far ahead as they fear a game of thrones red wedding.
It’s his weakness as he should be grooming a protege. If he dropped down dead tonight of a heart attack. Russia would be thrown into complete turmoil.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 29 2024 10:31 utc | 204

There’s a film coming out this weekend based on a Robert Harris novel called Conclave.
If it is anything like the book it will be awesome.
Multiply the plot of conclave by a thousand when Putin retires. Nobody knows what will take his place. A red wedding without the bloodshed. Politics is a dangerous ole game.
Just saying it will be fine and there is nothing to worry about is foolish and wishful thinking. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 29 2024 10:45 utc | 205

Sun of Alamaba: I don’t think that Putin or anyone needs your advice about how to run a country. “Groom a protege” — perhaps it’s time to separate novels from real life. Under Putin, Russia transformed from a failed state, about to fragment into the country now successfully conducting war against the West. He didn’t do this alone and I’m sure the Russians know how keep their country together when Putin retires or dies.
Your comment is very condenscending. Classically PRINO: pro-Russian in name only.

Posted by: Konami | Nov 29 2024 10:54 utc | 206

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 29 2024 10:31 utc | 205
Bs. First, the Russian government is not a single person. It is a complex of the Dumas, Federal Assembly, Federal Council, President, & Prime Minister.
Second, prove they have no plans for succession should any key players die or be incapacitated.

Posted by: Mary | Nov 29 2024 10:58 utc | 207

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 29 2024 10:31 utc | 205
That’s is your western though and desire.
It won’t happen nothing in RF after Putin or even if Putin would die tonight, the same way that nothing will happen in USA with Trump or elsewhere.
Relevant changes require time and, at least a minimum of popular consensus.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 29 2024 11:02 utc | 208

F.Scott Fitzgerald summed it up thusly
They were careless people, Tom and Daisy—they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 28 2024 19:07 utc | 59

This about CLASS, not about a culture or nation.

Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 11:15 utc | 209

@ Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 29 2024 10:31 utc | 205
“It’s his weakness as he should be grooming a protege.”
If he had a protege waiting in the wings, he would have been pushed out already since he really screwed up the invasion and now can’t end this war, plus he managed to piss off every billionaire who lost their villas and yachts in Europe and are losing both status and millions. The elite love money first, not Russia, and there are only so many military contracts to go round.
Contrary to what Martyanov (who hasn’t been to Europe in decades and relies on fake and biased reports) wants us to believe, majority of Russian elite much prefer to be in Europe than Russia, Middle East or Asia, because its nice places are very nice indeed, and a culturally superior experience to anything else. Putin has turned Russia into a weapons manufacturing industrial economy and made imported nice things unavailable or twice as expensive. Rich and powerful people in Russia don’t like this, but even ordinary people are being punished. Wanna get a home loan? That’ll be >20% interest now. That is why wages are rising. Good luck getting those last few remaining gas revenues now that Russia’s last bank has been sanctioned too.
So called alt ‘analysts’ keep saying NATO is crazy for continuing the war. I think the West believes that the longer the war goes, the more likely a coup or the financial dysfunction that is brewing will cause a collapse of the system before Russia can ever win militarily. The fact they are willing to risk nuclear war is crazy, yes, but i think we are being lied to when we are told that Putin has everything under control.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Nov 29 2024 11:16 utc | 210

Posted by: Mary | Nov 29 2024 10:58 utc | 208
We all suffer from short term thinking Mary. It’s foolish to believe everything will be just fine and dandy. Everyone will live happy ever after.
Russian history proves it beyond any doubt. This is quite simply not the case.
It is so easy to get dragged into believing the last 30 years of Putin’s reign is the norm.
Why ?
Because we lived half of our lives through it.
When really the last 30 years has been anything but the norm by Russian historical standards.
It shouldn’t even be a controversial statement Mary. It just common sense that nobody knows for sure which faction will take over.
It may well be even more hard-core than Putin. Or one that aligns with the West.
Roll a dice.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 29 2024 11:19 utc | 211

Personally, it’s great news if there were no more Yukropseez, and, to put a bonnet on it, I think it’s only fair that Ukraine be utterly and completely destroyed and never exist again as a nation.
Shouldn’t there be consequences.
I’m with Putin I want war-crimes tribunals.

Posted by: jimmy | Nov 29 2024 11:27 utc | 212

Ukraine Weekly Update, 29th November 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-f5c

Posted by: The Busker | Nov 29 2024 11:29 utc | 213

As expected, the West is laughing at Putin’s red lines since it’s just PR for the home crowd.
https://thealtworld.com/andrew_korybko/russias-foreign-intelligence-service-warned-about-a-100k-strong-nato-intervention-in-ukraine

Posted by: Surferket | Nov 29 2024 11:31 utc | 214

I don’t see a real change in anything until the Russians get to the Dnieper river. Up until now, the combatants have been destroying predominately Ethnic Russian cities and towns in the East of Ukraine. The Ukrainians and their western backers are happy to go along with that. Watch what happens when and if the Russians enter Western Ukraine and start destroying cities and towns. I bet the mood changes quickly.

Posted by: Chicago Bob | Nov 29 2024 11:32 utc | 215

reply to 215
The West can laugh at Putin because they’re burned out jaded people who often lean into suicidal ideation anyway. They obsess with Florida being underwater in 20 years while treating nuclear war in 2 hours as a trivial concern. 77% of young US men couldn’t qualify in a draft because they’re too fat, dumb, drug dependent or criminal (Pentagon). Oblivion? Who cares?

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 29 2024 11:51 utc | 216

Posted by: Konami | Nov 29 2024 10:54 utc | 207
500 years of Russian history proves otherwise Konami.
Or have you been sucked into believing the 30 years of Putin’s reign is the norm. As you lived half your life watching it ?
There is absolutely nothing controversial about what I’m saying. Leaders come and go and politics is brutal.
It is merely a fact the last 30 years has been anything but the norm When It comes to the history of Russia.
Many factions will be licking their lips waiting for the time he goes. He’s even under pressure from the many different factions today, as we speak, regarding how he has implemented the SMO.
Unless, you think that statement is controversial also?
The last 30 years has been anything but the norm Konami. Even though in your very short lifetime it may well have felt like it.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 29 2024 11:56 utc | 217

Posted by: Autumn | Nov 29 2024 9:53 utc |202
Spot on. US maintains hegemony primarily by dollar power.Military power is secondary. This smo should be seen in wider global conflict primarily by BRICS and allies to dethrone the hegemon by destroying its primary weapon. Unlike Gadaffi and Saddam who perished moving against dollar Russia China India are nuclear powers, hence attempt by hegemon to weaken nuclear deterrence. It is existential fight for both as hegemon doesn’t know coexistence
Probably by end of the decade we will have a winner. Europe getting worried evident by the talk of arms self sufficiency,increasing military budget etc. Europe will survive. As for eastern lackeys like Australia Japan S Korea reminded of the song what you gonna do when they come for you

Posted by: Michael J | Nov 29 2024 12:01 utc | 218

@DakotaRog | Nov 29 2024 1:23 utc
Way to go, DakotaRog. I grew Bloody Butcher and several other OP corns on test-plots years ago. I regularly buy small lots of other OPs optimized for the southeast, and yes, they make good corn meal, chix love it, and … not done this yet, but those cultivars have made a lot of good moonshine over the years.
More to the point: I think your idea of scaling up prod a bit to produce more seed is good. I often find these seeds “out of stock” when I look to order. And there are a whole lot of new distillers in the biz (craft distillers) up your way in the cities, makes for a good market. Those distillers are looking for differentiation.
Relevance to this thread:
Local production routes income streams away from oligarchs and into the hands of Patriots. That’s a good thing.
The Ukraine war is a grand resource war initiated and conducted for profit and control on behalf of a few, at the expense of the many.
Every new product you invent / adapt / apply is one more income stream for you, and one less for the sociopaths.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Nov 29 2024 12:22 utc | 219

@Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 29 2024 7:06 utc | 190
Thanks, Roger.
I don’t doubt that the Ukrainians who are in Russia now would return to a decent future. Their kids will also have had a decent education while away.
I was interested in a kind of double or triple whammy that faces Ukraine.
The graphic of the demographic status in the original post certainly shows the very dismal prospects for population recovery. I’m trying to imagine a situation where a country produces virtually no engineers, doctors, scientists and people capable of lecturing at university level for a year or more.

Posted by: Liolia Paluzas | Nov 29 2024 12:38 utc | 220

Games without frontiers war without fears.

Posted by: Fortuna | Nov 29 2024 12:45 utc | 221

De-militerization is the key.
We will know when saniy has returned to the world when ukraine can trial, convict and sentence its own war criminals.
For the mass murder of ukraine’s own people.
Aswell as Russians.
The same can be said for israel.
Oh wait add america, uk and europe to the list.
A win for the world peace loving public.
A win for sanity.
A win for all human kind including those not born yet.
That wont happen under the far right, thats for sure.
So go figure sherlock.
Addressed to no one in particular.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 29 2024 12:46 utc | 222

Typo… secound line
Sanity not saniy.
But you new that anyway.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 29 2024 12:55 utc | 223

We are on the ladder of escalation that has the final step as strategic nuclear exchange. This is the endgame for NATO. The Russians stopped the buck with NATO in Ukraine. My intuition is that both sides would want to back down and save face right before the end. The US and Russia that is. As for the EU and UK, I do not have high hopes. The duplicitous, rabid Brits do not have any shame like the Israelis, therefore, no lower limit exists to how low they can go. I also think that Russia will next year hit NATO territory with a non-nuclear strike if the provocations continue on Russian territory. NATO will then be put into a position where Article 5 will reveal the entire edifice as a big bluff. NATO will split, there will be a pro-British led expeditionary force that will operate outside of NATO that may attempt an incursion into Ukraine. They will get shattered. The West has gone mutterly mad. Imagine the grandfathers of Europeans who died fighting Nazis were alive today, to see the EU what it has become – a US appendage, revelling in trans-genderism, pro-Banderite virtue signalling and grovelling to Zionism. They would immediately go back to the grave.

Posted by: USSA Empire Of Lies | Nov 29 2024 13:04 utc | 224

B should add that economically it is “to the last European”.
The technos are fully on board with the great reset.

Posted by: Tom | Nov 29 2024 13:16 utc | 225

USSA Empire of lies @ 225
Well said sir.
I looked at your persnal link and recomend it to others.
I look forward to many more comments / contarbutions from you.
Kudos.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 29 2024 13:26 utc | 226

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 29 2024 12:46 utc | 223
Putin & Lavrov in the cage in Kyiv would indeed be a return to sanity. Wonder what the sentence would be?
Posted by: USSA Empire Of Lies | Nov 29 2024 13:04 utc | 225
“Russia will next year hit NATO territory with a non-nuclear strike if the provocations continue on Russian territory!”
NATO will hit some fourth rate city, like Kazan or Vladivostok with missile barrage that Kinzals or anything else can’t defend against. Putin goes to meet Trump and apologises. Just like he did with Erdogan.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Nov 29 2024 13:30 utc | 227

Posted by: Rubiconned | Nov 29 2024 11:16 utc | 211
Oh really…If you are an American, I would be more concerned:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V
Even in the economically very difficult years of the 70s and 80s, the velocity was never below 1.6… With a velocity below 1.4, you have to ask yourself whether you can still speak of an economy as a whole or whether you should only speak of individual sectors… Mathematically, that is certainly the case…

Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 29 2024 13:34 utc | 228

Posted by: Rubiconned | Nov 29 2024 9:54 utc | 20
https://johnhelmer.org/the-electric-war-escalates-to-final-stage-lights-out-in-the-ukraine-in-general-kelloggs-brain-too/
That is the really important article my friend…Notting else matters…

Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 29 2024 13:40 utc | 229

economically it is “to the last European”
Tom | Nov 29 2024 13:16 utc

That’s been going on since the USA had completed its empire in North America, and now turned to escalate and profit from Europe’s war. Britain became the USA’s proxy; the UK gatecrashed the war under false pretences, getting Belgium to refuse a decent offer (sound familiar?) and then ended up being propping up by the USA in the classic war of attrition (sound familiar?) – leaving the UK heavily in debt, though it did get bits of africa and west asia – but not for long… that war destroyed europe utterly – mainly because of Wilson’s racialism (ethnic nations) – we are still watching the repercussions of that.

Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 13:43 utc | 230

with missile barrage that Kinzals or anything else can’t defend against.
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Nov 29 2024 13:30 utc | 228

“highly educated”

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 29 2024 13:45 utc | 231

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 29 2024 10:31 utc | 205
IMHO, Putin is the last Tsar that looked west. The next leader of the Russians will look east.

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 29 2024 13:45 utc | 232

What happens to Russia when Putin goes ?
Can anybody seriously name a successor that would represent Russia the way he has ?
Most don’t want to look that far ahead as they fear a game of thrones red wedding.
It’s his weakness as he should be grooming a protege. If he dropped down dead tonight of a heart attack. Russia would be thrown into complete turmoil.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 29 2024 10:31 utc | 205
John helmer on his website johnhelmer.net has a bunch of articles on putins potential successors.

Posted by: Feck | Nov 29 2024 13:48 utc | 233

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 29 2024 13:45 utc | 232
Thank you kind sir! Glad to know I’m not the only one who has noticed that the rate those AS-400’s are getting destroyed, russia needs to repurpose everything for air defense. Oresniks too.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Nov 29 2024 13:55 utc | 234

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Nov 29 2024 13:55 utc | 235
“never go full retard!”

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 29 2024 14:01 utc | 235

https://www.youtube.com/live/neBQhqveeXg?si=6lFeTNqjaVSzQkFI
Nima and Orlov…Orlov is the right deal!

Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 29 2024 14:06 utc | 236

Passerby | Nov 29 2024 13:45 utc

Tsar?

Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 14:15 utc | 237

It may well be even more hard-core than Putin. Or one that aligns with the West.
Roll a dice.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 29 2024 11:19 utc | 212
People in the west think the Putin is a dictator that controls every aspect of the Russian state … he isn’t. For example it’s come out that Putin learned of the existence of the Oreshnik missile days before he launched it on Dnipro. Russian strategic missile development is done on a need to know basis and Putin’s input into the project wasn’t necessary but other members of the United Russia party were. That’s not how dictatorships generally work in fact I’d say the US president has more dictatorial powers than Putin has.
You hear putin make speeches but you don’t see the cabinet meeting where Putin decides what to put in that speech. Like any good leader Putin has surrounded hiself with capable people and it among those that the next leader of United Russia will be chosen and like most political parties there will have to be consensus on platforms like foreign policy

Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 29 2024 14:21 utc | 238

It’s funny how people talk about imaginary Tsars, but ignore real kings who are heads of the military, who declare the wars and unite more parts of the earth than any one else.
Instead they talk about imaginary races called anglo-saxon – because they speak english? – and believe that is why countries such as the UK, Canada, Australia a.s.o. get together. Doesn’t explain the Gurkhas though…

Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 14:21 utc | 239

Turkish forces are advancing in Northern Syria. It would appear CIA forces are working with Turks to attack Allepo. So perhaps Turkey a d Mossad are still working together, like two sides of a tunnelling operation running straight through Syria

Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 29 2024 14:48 utc | 240

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 29 2024 14:01 utc | 236
What do you expect.
Do you know what membrum virile means in Latin? 😉

Posted by: Mario | Nov 29 2024 14:49 utc | 241

unimperator@187….. notice he didn’t mention bridges……Zman has be to the front up on the surface, even a motorcade watched by Russian drones, but, but ……oh no, Russia, they’ll wait till he’s deep in a bunker……how to fight a war and loose an SMO.
Cheers M
…..and if the Russians taps Zman down a hole, that’s a good indicator of how behind the cue ball they are……it’s a long way to Odessa, even further to Poland and the poor folks trapped in Transnistria, well, maybe next SMO or whatever silly name they call it.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 29 2024 15:15 utc | 242

Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 14:15 utc | 238
Whether empire, communism or Russian Federation, the successful leader of Russia has similar traits.
If you took a Russian peasant of more than a century ago to todays’ Russia, he would immediately recognize Putin as the Tsar.

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 29 2024 15:20 utc | 243

If you took a Russian peasant of more than a century ago to todays’ Russia, he would immediately recognize Putin as the Tsar.
Posted by: Passerby | Nov 29 2024 15:20 utc | 244
The Tsar ruled Russia as Gods emissary on earth. As far as Russian peasants were concerned God spoke directly to the Tsar and the Tsar talked back to God … directly as in a conversation.
The Tsars had ministers that governed the country. Putin would be seen more like a Pyotr Stolypin who ran the Russian government from 1905 to 1911 and reformed the Russian government after the 1905 revolution. Putin isn’t descended from a royal family and no one thinks he hangs out with God

Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 29 2024 16:22 utc | 244

Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 28 2024 18:11 utc | 35
“The US hates nazis,”
The Us have literally joined hands with the Nazis! Operation paperclip had a “civilian” undisclosed side to it as well, where 100s of Nazi administrators were settled in USA, no questions asked. Dulles, again.!
What’s more, the Jews and the Nazis found a common path in the US, believe it, if you can! They are running the world.
If we let them.
Posted by: MAKK | Nov 28 2024 18:41 utc | 48
Elsewhere around the world the US loves dictators, autocrats, fashists, and all other ideologal deviations that can be used to dissolve democratic functional states.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 29 2024 0:59 utc | 143
If, as they claim, both the US and Russian governments “hate nazis” … then shouldn’t they concentrate on attacking Israel as soon as possible?
All the more so since it is the real home of the Oligarchs who sponsored and deployed the nazi forces and regime in Ukraine.

Thank you all. Also karlof1 mentions somewhere that post the Soviet break-up, secret papers came to light about the official practice of pitting nazis against the communists.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Nov 29 2024 17:47 utc | 245

Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 29 2024 0:02 utc | 133 No. This question is too stupid to bother explaining why it’s stupid.
Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 29 2024 2:08 utc | 159 Even stupider than @133.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 29 2024 2:53 utc | 164 Ukrainian fascists are largely Banderaites who do have a tradition of anti-Semitism in addition to anti-Communism, anti-Polish, anti-Russian and anti- others as well. So-called Lubavitchers however do not rule Ukraine. That claim is nothing but a ludicrous anti-semitic fantasy. The current alliance between fascist Ukrainian Jews is tactical, only partially harmonized by their political affinities. That’s why I speculate on the possibilities for horrible fallout for even Lubavitcher Jews when Zelensky goes, and why I believe non-fascist Jews have probably already been targeted by the Ukrainian fascists. Zelensky ran against Poroshenko’s war program, but promptly proceeded to defy his mandate and carry out Poroshenko’s program. The thing is, Poroshenko was not a Jewish fascist, nor was his program. The notion Zelensky foisted some Jewish fascist program on Ukraine as a Jewish plot to conquer Ukraine is more crazy anti-Semitism.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2024 3:35 utc | 170 My comments are in a Ukraine thread. In that context, anti-semitism in Ukraine is (I believe) reserved largely against non-fascist Jews (without fascist connections, at least) in Ukraine, with the old animus against all Jews cherished in the Ukrainian fascists’ hearts, pending the outcome of events. There are non-fascist Jews even in the state of Israel (that’s inevitable) but since I also believe the Zionist enterprise is fundamentally fascist, and the people don’t matter in fascist states, that’s an issue for who not to target after Palestinian victory…which is a long way off I fear. Zionism may not be considered fascist by some because the Zionist variety doesn’t have a single dictator (yet) but I don’t think that’s appropriate to a sound understanding of fascism. Japanese fascism didn’t have a single dictator, for instance. Many disagree. Zionists are not Nazis, because Nazis are singularly committed to anti-semitism. But Italian, Spanish, Portuguese and Japanese were no more centered on anti-semitism in the Nazi style. It may be called old fashioned to call the Japanese Empire fascist, but I don’t think the people of the era were mistaken about that.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 29 2024 17:58 utc | 246

Sun Of Alabama | Nov 29 2024 11:19 utc | 212 (re successor to Putin)…
*** It may well be even more hard-core than Putin. Or one that aligns with the West.
Roll a dice.***
Could even be someone who is not a neoliberal and hates the WEF.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 29 2024 19:47 utc | 247

various comments
The remaining young men and women of child-bearing age in 404 are stupid, sick, unambitious. Any with any prospects at all have left. One of the very few reasons to stay is that the stay behind is a Nazi and a nationalist. The other reason would be skimming a profit off the war. The Nazis will not stay behind when Russia advances. The profiteers will have no reason to stay when the war ends. Ukraine is demographically finished.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 29 2024 21:00 utc | 248

I don’t know why US/NATO elites are urging Kiev to lower the draft age to 18. Is there evidence suggesting that Ukrainians aged 18 to 25 are willing to risk their lives in the battle zone? I doubt it. The latest reports indicate the UAF’s desertion crisis is only getting worse each and every month.
Desertion threatens to starve Ukraine’s forces at a crucial time in its war with Russia
https://apnews.com/article/deserters-awol-ukraine-russia-war-def676562552d42bc5d593363c9e5ea0

Posted by: GW | Nov 29 2024 21:22 utc | 249

Desertion threatens to starve Ukraine’s forces at a crucial time in its war with Russia
GW | Nov 29 2024 21:22

King Charles could send some Ukrainians from Canada, like his ancestor sent Hessians to fight Washington.

Posted by: hh | Nov 29 2024 21:39 utc | 250

@Posted by: Liolia Paluzas | Nov 29 2024 12:38 utc | 221
That’s why I see the new Russian oblasts needing something like a homesteading act and major, but very carefully vetted, immigration. With its massively productive farmlands, industrial centres and extensive mineral resources the depopulated Ukraine resembles the US “West”. There are very large number of well educated people in the world who are quite poor who would greatly benefit from such opportunities. Russia as the new land of opportunity, Crimea as the new Ellis Island. Also, a couple of million Russian/Israeli Jews who may be looking for a new abode!

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 29 2024 23:19 utc | 251

All the “after Putin” speculation above.
This is a dumb line of thought for various reasons. First, there is no indication that a Putin exit, by death or otherwise, is anywhere on the horizon.
Secondly, look at the talent Russia has found in a number of other critical positions and how that has been reflected in Russia’s battlefield progress. It is primitive to make a fetish out of a single man, despite Putin’s world historic struggle with US imperialism. In the end Russia, the nation, is incredibly strong, increasingly unified and clear headed as to the challenges before it. With or without Putin it will crush the Nazi proxies in Ukraine and, if needed, pull Nato’s pants down revealing it for what it is: an enormous, trillion dollar bluff.
That much is certain. The real test for Russia is not Ukraine/NATO (it’s already aced that one), but how it will defend its allies and interests in the ME against the zio proxy’s of US imperialism.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 29 2024 23:28 utc | 252

freedom fritos @13 I don’t think the nazis are front line combat troops. I thought they were mostly backing troops who would use their artillery to shell the conscripts if the tried to retreat under russian attack.

Posted by: a machinist | Nov 30 2024 0:20 utc | 253

“Drafting the few men of age 18 to 25 will not help to win the war but will, over time, further depopulate Ukraine”
One wonders if that is exactly what the Zionist globalists want. Isn’t this now a genocide of Ukrainian men? The Zionists are good at that too. Will those 18-25 being conscripted revolt? In a recent poll, 70% of Ukrainian are DONE with this war. And who will be left to pay that monstrous IMF loan?
It is DISGUSTING that the moronic cadaver in the white house would have the absolute GALL to order a foreign country to force it’s citizens to die for THEIR DESIRE TO STEAL Russia’s RESOURCES
WHAT A CLOWN SHOW OF PSYCHOPATHS

Posted by: Kay | Nov 30 2024 4:14 utc | 254

Posted by: a machinist | Nov 30 2024 0:20 utc | 254
One more thing I wasn’t aware of. Debisdead, 126, makes the point that eventually these protected troops will end up at the front due to attrition.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Nov 30 2024 5:23 utc | 255

– I fear a much darker scenario / plan. I fear that the US will force the Ukraine to fight to the last ukrainian and depopulate the country. That way it will be much more easy to plunder all the resources of the Ukraine.

Posted by: WMG | Nov 30 2024 9:07 utc | 256

Posted by: freedom fritos | Nov 30 2024 5:23 utc | 256
Banderistas as barrier troops seem to have been the first to run
when recently major UKR fortifications “changed control”.

Posted by: MAKK | Nov 30 2024 12:43 utc | 257

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 29 2024 17:58 utc | 247
“Zionists are not Nazis, because Nazis are singularly committed to anti-semitism.”
Bullshit. Do you think ‘semitic’ means ‘jewish’? Look at what the nazi supposedly ‘semitic’ jews are doing to the actually semitic Palestinians. You should spend a long time reading a dictionary, then you won’t post such tripe.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 30 2024 14:47 utc | 258

Posted by: MAKK | Nov 30 2024 12:43 utc | 258
Banderistas as barrier troops seem to have been the first to run
when recently major UKR fortifications “changed control”.

Upon consideration that’s very likely. Nazis in charge of planning and administration would tend to be analytical, over-thoughtful. In a real-life situation, with the need to act and react, they would freeze and flee.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Dec 1 2024 1:55 utc | 259