Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 28, 2024
To The Last Ukrainian

The U.S. is willing to (proxy-)fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian.

White House presses Ukraine to lower draft age to meet manpower needs against Russia

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden's administration is urging Ukraine to quickly increase the size of its military by drafting more troops and revamping its mobilization laws to allow for the conscription of those as young as 18.

A senior Biden administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private consultations, said Wednesday that the outgoing Democratic administration wants Ukraine to lower the mobilization age to 18 from the current age of 25 to expand the pool of fighting-age men available to help a badly outnumbered Ukraine in its nearly three-year-old war with Russia.

The official said “the pure math” of Ukraine's situation now is that it needs more troops in the fight.

"Pure math" also says that following the advice order from Washington will guarantee that there will be no future Ukrainians left to fight for:

I have pointed out six month ago that there are hardly a significant number of 18 to 25 year old left in Ukraine. If that cohort gets further diminished by senseless dying Ukraine's future will be even more bleak than it is now. Even the British nuts who earlier proposed to draft 18 year old Ukrainians have learned to shut up about it.

The graphic below, taken from Wikipedia's Demographics of Ukraine, presumes that Ukraine has a population of some 40 million:


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But the real population number in the areas under control of the Ukrainian government is by now only about 20 million, half of which are people of retirement age. Drafting the few men of age 18 to 25 will not help to win the war but will, over time, further depopulate Ukraine.

Even without sacrificing its youth Ukraine's demographic outlook is already bad:

Ukraine’s total fertility rate – the average number of babies per woman of child-bearing age – is currently 0.7, the lowest in the world. The country’s demographics have been further affected by a mass exodus to the West and significant casualties on the battlefield, to the point where the very survival of the nation is in question, a government-funded think tank told The Times earlier this year.

“Male life expectancy has decreased from 66-67 before the war to 57-58,” said Ella Libanova, head of the Institute for Demography and Social Studies at the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine. Only four African countries – Chad, Nigeria, Lesotho and the Central African Republic – have lower life expectancies.

During the war on Vietnam the U.S. completely destroyed the town of Ben Tre:

“It became necessary to destroy the town to save it,” a U.S. major said Wednesday.

Now the U.S. is likewise destroying the people of Ukraine to "save them" from further existence.

Ukrainian officials have for now rejected U.S. demands to lower the mobilization age:

"We are now in the situation when we need more equipment to arm all the people that have already been mobilized, and we think the first priority is to send quicker, faster military aid," Heorhii Tykhyi, a spokesman for Ukraine's foreign ministry, told reporters in Kyiv.

His statement echoed a comment on Wednesday from Ukrainian presidential adviser Dmytro Lytvyn, who criticized what he said was sluggish military aid.

"Ukraine cannot be expected to compensate for delays in logistics or hesitation in support with the youth of our men on the frontline,” Lytvyn wrote on X.

Politicians in Ukraine, like elsewhere, are bribable. With a significant amount of additional cash the Zelenzki regime can be induced to follow whatever wishes Washington might have.

Mobilizing the youth may though be the last decision the former president of Ukraine will make.

Comments

Posted by: salmon | Nov 28 2024 21:09 utc | 90
Hi there, @vargas, wondered why you had gone quiet? Wasn’t that Oreshnik impressive???

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 28 2024 21:55 utc | 101

I also believe that in so doing, strategically, Russia is using a variant of the (tactical) Mongol defense, where they cede the line, and the attacker ends up putting himself in a cauldron. By letting the attacker exhaust and attrit himself in that way, Russia also wins politically worldwide, by OBVIOUSLY acting cautiously, and showing the West to be bonkers, and also domestically, so that the People are on board when Russia finally decides to retaliate.
The Kursk trap is an obvious example. By NOT focusing on a « show of strength », Russia is on the Defense, which – when in doubt – is the more moral position, particularly in the eyes of the RoW. While making a show of strength, they’re exhausting themselves against Russia’s Rope-a-dope strategy. Additionally, this makes NATO’s escalation to nuclear more obviously objectionable. So as NATO weakens itself, Russia strengthens, and improves its position.
Posted by: Featherless | Nov 28 2024 21:29 utc | 96

Two issues with this line of reasoning
1) The survival of human civilization is at stake. If there is anyone to sort through the radioactive rubble and write a history of what happened, objective historians will identify Putin as one of the people to blame for what happened too. Because he could have cut off escalation altogether by taking over the whole of Ukraine in early 2022, or even better, back in 2014. Not merely could have, it was absolutely imperative to do so. He didn’t, and that allowed the West to escalate all the way to WWIII.
2) Putin is even more so to blame given the real reasons he didn’t take over the whole of Ukraine, which have nothing to do with rope-a-dope 5D-chess strategies or any other copium of the sort.
The reasons are much more banal — it was not in the Russian oligarchy’s interest to go on a proper war footing, and that is what was required to take over and then absorb Ukraine. Doing that would have very seriously threatened the internal power and the main sources of the Russian oligarchy’s wealth, so it was vetoed by them. And Putin is not that mythical wise statesman that does what is best for Russia, he is a balancer between competing power factions; in this case there were forces pushing for a proper solution to the problem, but they were not powerful enough to override the resource extraction and banking oligarchs.
Thus Putin being reduced to looking for some kind of a very shitty for Russia deal, so that he does not have to go on a total war footing.
Ironically, Kiev and the West have been doing their very best to force it on him regardless, and thus acting in Russia’s best interests — saving it from Putin and the oligarchs in a certain very perverted way. But that is only up to the point where the Tomahawks start destroying strategic objects and Putin still does not fire back. Which point we are now approaching…

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 28 2024 21:56 utc | 102

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 28 2024 20:32 utc | 85
I learn Spanish on a Saturday morning at a local college where I live in the UK. There are Ukrainian families getting taught in Ukrainian in the college.
I started a conversation with them asking what it was all about. They told me it was to keep up their children’s education for when they go back to Ukraine.
I doubt many people know this is happening across the country. I know it doesn’t mean they will all go back, as all it takes for the women to meet local men. However, many fathers are with them and came to the UK to avoid the fighting. They all stand outside waiting for the class to finish.
It is interesting that this is taking place and they are going to these classes being taught in Ukrainian and not in English. So some definitely want to go back.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 28 2024 22:00 utc | 103

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 28 2024 20:54 utc | 88
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I have heard it said (don’t ask me where) that after Israel kills enough Palestinians in Israel, they may consider moving the rest of the Palestinians to some small remote section of land in Ukraine.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 28 2024 22:02 utc | 104

It seems the kokhols did a new “Bucha” before retreating from Solidovo
Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 28 2024 18:38 utc | 45

It’s quite a different situation actually.
In Bucha they killed “collaborators” and others who simply happened to be within sight, for the dual purpose of exacting revenge and staging the hoax that Russians killed all those people as they retreated.
In Selidovo they killed the “waiters”, i.e. those civilians waiting to greet the Russian army as liberators, as the NATO- and Ukronazis were retreating. Given that they were not going to be in control of the town, there was no way for them to stage another Bucha.
This was done purely out of genocidal Nazi spite — the people of the Donbass are subhuman for them and are to be exterminated, so that is what they did.
Expect a lot more of that as they get more and more desperate.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 28 2024 22:06 utc | 105

Firstly as B says, there are not that many 18-25 year olds left in the country due to both demographics and migration. Any intelligent mothers should have already bolted with their 16 and 17 year olds as well.
Secondly, this could easily be the straw that broke the camel’s back when it comes to large scale social unrest. The press gangers are already having to use their weapons to abduct hapless souls and they could become hunted vermin if they go after the remaining youth.
The small pool and the extreme resistance of the population to the press gangs will make any such move not very fruitful, and certainly will nowhere near offset the 60,000+ a month Ukie losses. While risking outright rebellion on a large scale. Ukraine is a defeated nation walking, it just needs to be allowed to accept the fact.
Depopulation can be easily fixed with a “homesteading act” and an openness to (carefully vetted) immigration. Then again even agriculture is being rapidly mechanized with automated vehicles, AI and drone technology, with China at the forefront.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 28 2024 22:09 utc | 106

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 28 2024 22:00 utc | 103
Well, all I did was post a quote from a Ukrainian news outlet. What will all those fathers do if the British government decide that all military age Ukrainian men should go back and “fight the good fight, in the name of freedom and democracy”?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 28 2024 22:13 utc | 107

In the very start of the SMO, President Putin apologized for not intervening in the ongoing genocide in the Donbas. The targeting of civilians could be the final straw.
Lavrov’s latest comment was “Russians are slow to get started…”
The are no “decisions centers” in Ukraine.

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 28 2024 22:17 utc | 108

Senator Lindsay Graham was instrumental in making this happen, lobbying hard the Biden administration on the need “… to strip those young Ukrainian men of their civilian clothes … and then dress them as soldiers”.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 28 2024 22:18 utc | 109

Wasn’t Trump a Vietnam Era draft dodger? Hasn’t he said those of us who didn’t dodge were “Losers” and “suckers”?
But the live of Ukrainians are cheap to US politicians.

Posted by: lester | Nov 28 2024 22:20 utc | 110

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 28 2024 22:13 utc | 107
Just saying I found it very interesting this was taking place as normally people miss the ins and outs of it. Don’t realise what infrastructure has to be put in place when large numbers run away from another country.It definitely never crossed my mind. I thought they would have just of been thrown in with everyone else and be educated in English.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 28 2024 22:25 utc | 111

That infamous remark of Zelensky about wanting a Jewish state in Ukraine? Pretty sure it meant his vision of post-war Ukraine was one where the Ukrainians treated the ethnic Russian/Russian language speaker like Palestinians. Presumably the Donbas would be slowly expropriated by Banderist settler colonies. And those who didn’t care to be on the fascist frontlines would have the forms of democracy and a multitude of economic privileges in their enclaves pure from Russians.
And by the way other ethnic minorities like Rusyns and Tatars and Roma/Sinti would be lucky to live like Druze or Samaritans.
My belief is that if someday its possible to write an honest history from surviving records, the historians will find an appalling series of covered up anti-Semitic harassment, beatings, vandalism and the occasional murder of Jews not connected to Kolomoyskiy or Chabad. God only knows what might happen to Ukrainian Jews in the fallout from the overthrow of Zelensky. But regardless, the orgy of anti-Semitic BS is appalling.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 28 2024 22:28 utc | 112

If Ukraine wants to survive (forget zelinsky he’s expendable) …..
All they need to do is de-militerize completly, perminantly, 100%.
Next.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 28 2024 22:29 utc | 113

Canadian Lieutenant-Colonel, Kent Miller who oversaw the training of Ukrainians was successfully liquidaтed by the Russian AF in Ukraine.
This marks the highest ranked NATO officer dead in Ukraine.
According to NATO; he “suddenly died of medical complications”
https://x.com/Alex_Oloyede2/status/1862253639902839259

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 28 2024 22:42 utc | 114

@114
NATO claims Lieutenant Miller of Canadian armed forces died of medical complications, but at the same time RUAF stated they liquidated up to 40 foreign or mainly US ‘specialists’ in a missile strike in Kraken division HQ in Kharkov.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 28 2024 22:45 utc | 115

@ 102 “. But that is only up to the point where the Tomahawks start destroying strategic objects and Putin still does not fire back. Which point we are now approaching…”
Tomahawks are nothing special. They will be shot down like all the other missiles used in this war.
In 2017 The Us launched 59 Tomahawks at Shayrat Air base in Syria. After the attack the air base was back in operation launching air strikes less than 24 hours afterward.
In 2018 US and friends launched 108 various missiles including Tomahawks against Syria. The very next morning Syrian armed forces launched an operation that drove insurgents out of south Syria.
Both attacks did little damage to Syria’s military.
After the 2nd attack Russia was showing pics of intact Tomahawks they brought down. The head of Russian Military said ” Thanks for the missiles. We will reverse engineer them and naxt time nothing will get by”.
The knowledge gained from those missiles has been applied with great effect in Ukraine.
I am sure Russia will welcome Tomahawks. it will give them a good excuse to flatten the NATO bases they came from.

Posted by: golddigger | Nov 28 2024 22:46 utc | 116

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 28 2024 20:54 utc | 88
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Thanks for the list of reasons that back up the assertion.
As always, time will tell. One hopeful aspect of this speculation is that the West will want to avoid WWIII and nukes if this is their plan. Trump will cool this war down and Russia will get what it wants. What’s left of Ukraine will reform in some manner, likely with a Jewish flair, and we’ll all live happily ever after.

Posted by: A rope leash | Nov 28 2024 23:00 utc | 117

@Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 28 2024 20:32 utc | 85
Thanks for that update on demographics. A very,very, dismal outlook for the future.
Of course, BlackRock et al. are not that interested, if at all, in its human resource – only the mineral, petro and Ag. resources.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 28 2024 23:09 utc | 118

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 28 2024 22:45 utc | 115
This is not a direct reply to unimperator’s post.
Nevertheless it was posted on the previous Ukraine thread, and I think it is generally relevant, since i concerns the new RF hypersonic weapons.
It was originaly posted in repy to JRL
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 28 2024 21:28 utc | 477
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 28 2024 21:39 utc | 478
“Is it stretching things to regard J-P P as a modern-day minor Galileo? Poo-poo-ed by the reigning orthodoxy, yet an influential Soviet scientist was intrigued enough to explore further and now things are where they are. The much-vaunted West being perhaps 30 years behind?”
Yes J-P-P appears to be regarded as being somewhat “eccentric” by the Western scientific establishment, but was (is) still respected enough to retain some sort of platform where he could talk about his ideas. Belatedly the Western scientific brains trust appears to have woken up.
I would point out that Russian and Soviet applied mathematicians and physicists have a very long history of significant breakthroughs in non-linear control theory, hydro (fluid) dynamics, high temperature physics and various interactions between these (sometimes a bit arbitrary) areas of study. Given this appreciation of these very complex matters, it is no surprise to me that Russian scientists (and the associated military thinkers) were/are receptive to the ideas of J-P-P, and may have already deduced many of them already, and were well advanced in development of their military applications.
There is a lot of speculation, cope, hope and general bullshit on MoA about what these new hypersonic Russian weapons are and their ramifications-not least the political and strategic ramifications.
All I will add now is that-
(1) The RF has these things now and has demonstrated their accuracy and destructive potential;
(2) If the Western cope addicts maintain that the strike on Dnipro was just a test, then they are severely deluded. The Rf would not have undertaken this “test” unless they were bloody sure that it would work and serve as a warning/demonstration to the Western pin-heads who have continued to “prod the bear”.
(3) I bet they have a significant number of these Hazel missiles primed and ready to go, but will refrain from predicting their probable targets.
(4) I conclude that the political and military “thinkers” in the West are in deep shock, and are -at the present time- really perplexed as what to do next in regards to RF/Ukraine. I hope they do not over react in despair.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Nov 28 2024 23:09 utc | 119

According to NATO; he “suddenly died of medical complications”
https://x.com/Alex_Oloyede2/status/1862253639902839259
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 28 2024 22:42 utc | 114
A kinzhal enema?
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Well, all I did was post a quote from a Ukrainian news outlet. What will all those fathers do if the British government decide that all military age Ukrainian men should go back and “fight the good fight, in the name of freedom and democracy”?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 28 2024 22:13 utc | 107
From the 6-8 million ukrainian refugees, from which MAYBE a million able bodied men could be raise , 1.2M are safely in russia, the uk has probably 200k, maybe 30k usable. Poland, Germany and Czech Republic could probably within their 3 Million find 500k usable (and I doubt german courts would allow that, at least delay), so yes, maybe 300 «k from poland and Czech Republic, the rest too little and too dispersed to be worth the political battle.
So trying to get the ones that escaped might, at most, bring as many as the boys at school. Each of those batches would buy what, a couple of months, a quarter?

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 28 2024 23:11 utc | 120

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 28 2024 21:56 utc | 102
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ANON2022, you short-sighted little troll: President Putin was NOT the one who escalated the US/NATO proxy war in Ukraine, and Putin, perhaps to your surprise, did not start the US proxy war either. That ALL came from the US, UK, Germany and France.
If you have been paying attention from the beginning, you would know that the US announced that they planned to expand NATO arms into Ukraine (and on Russia’s border) in 2008. You would have also known about the US coup to oust the elected President of Ukraine in 2004 (the orange “revolution”) and again in the bloody 2014 Maiden coup: All because he wanted to remain neutral regarding NATO, as the majority of the Ukrainian who voted for him did as well.
If you had paid attention then, you would also have known that Putin tried to discuss with Biden a diplomatic compromise that could have worked for all parties involved; Biden all but told Putin to stick up his arse.
You said that Putin “…could have cut off escalation altogether by taking over the whole of Ukraine in early 2022, or even better, back in 2014.” Yeah, and with what fucking army would he have done so? When Russia entered Ukraine in February 2022, the RU forces were woefully limited, and its main goal was to defend the resistance fighters in the Donbas, which was about to get clobbered by a much more muscular US/NATO trained and armed Ukrainian force: Time was of the essence; get the picture ANON?
Russia needed time to mobilize a sufficient force to win the proxy war, which it is doing now. Because Russia is winning, Biden, in his last days in office, is desperately trying anything to prevent Ukraine’s surrender before he leaves office. So, why are you blaming Putin for the evil of the US/NATO colonial expansion into Russia’s border?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 28 2024 23:15 utc | 121

Similar to standing water & swamps that produce mosquitoes, the people of a nation – their apathy, ignorance, greed, indulgence, virtue, courage – those people in that nation will get the jews they deserve
It goes without saying that the most virtuous and courageous of nations has ZERO jews…
YEMEN !

Posted by: ryanggg | Nov 28 2024 23:26 utc | 122

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 28 2024 22:28 utc | 112
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Are you as concerned as much about the tens of thousands of dead Palestinian mothers and children in Gaza and the West Bank as you are about the imaginary Jews in Ukraine?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 28 2024 23:26 utc | 123

@ unimperator | Nov 28 2024 22:42 utc | 114
the canadian gov’t leaves out the details and suggests his death had nothing to do with being inside ukraine… thanks for your posts..
Non-operational death of Canadian Armed Forces member deployed to Europe

Posted by: james | Nov 28 2024 23:29 utc | 124

Posted by: salmon | Nov 28 2024 21:13 utc | 91:

What do you mean by “psychology of the western population”.

I meant “psychological orientation of the western population”. Pardon the poor English.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 28 2024 23:32 utc | 125

of all the utter tripe that comprises a good deal of this thread this by anonposter 18.04|32 is the worst when it asserts:
“Most quality young men are either part of the system and thus far from the front lines (biggest component of these is maybe a million police and other security types, plus Azov and other Nazi military units who are kept away from danger), or else outside Ukraine”
I cannot fathom whether that totally elitist statement which pays no regard to the needs of the backbone of any nation, the average working bloke has been written by a paid up member of the local nazi party or simply by a half-witted pretender so indoctrinated by the faux values of capitalism that he/she is content to wallow in the shit environment that has been created for him/her.
This entire thread is comprised of shallow reaction, just knee jerk stuff rather than actually thinking about how ukraine has been deliberately reduced to this state. Have no doubt if things continue as they are all those behind the lines thugs anonposter asserts gallop around Ukraine will become front line thugs eventually, something that nazi behind the lines enablers’ discovered by late 1944.
In fact going back even further would be an excellent way of uncovering a few things from how the zionist entity became a seeming favoured son of the west to what is the conflict in Ukraine really all about.
Some may have had a MEE interview with historian Roy Casagranda come up on their YT feed in the last few days.
It discusses the infamous Sykes-Picot agreement made between england and france after WW1 in which the entire M.E. was divided up by the two strongest imperialist powers after that war.
One issue which rarely comes up because there is no one still around who remembers it, that between the 7th century AD and 1918 there had always been a ME superpower, the final one of course being the Ottoman Empire. It’s very simple really england’s imperial strength rested upon its navy & up until it was decimated by Germany france’s had come from its army. Both france & england had decided that maintaining their armed forces would require lots of oil in the 20th century & so since they knew the ME was a major source, even if they didn’t know exactly where eg witness the screw up england made over grabbing kuwait off from Iraq/Syria, they needed to control that region by making certain no new Islamic superpower emerged.
Which they did and post WW2 the Eisenhower doctrine promoted the same ideal, that no islamic superpower would emerge in the ME. From time to time when that conflicted with the public aim of the eisenhower doctrine, to supress communism, then the eisenhower administration would side with communist initiatives as long as it divided their big worry of the day ‘Pan-Arabism’.
Empowering israel became part of that effort to ensure no pan-Arab movement could establish & that support of zionism has been used ever since as a way to keep the Arabic speaking people divided ever since.
As far as ukraine goes the issue has never been Ukraine’s alleged mineral wealth, which is just a furphy used by the neocons to justify their outrageous expenditure on the ukie takeover.
No one really knows how much ‘rare-earth’ deposits actually exist in the world because it hasn’t even been two decades since it became a thing. I suspect that once rare-earth deposits have been sufficiently analysed by geologists to quickly predict where deposits occur, we shall find it far more plentiful than just in ukraine & China or whatever the current claims are. I reckon the neocons are well aware of the same but dragged up the rare-earth thing when more amerikans became opposed to sending more billions to the ukie cause.
The area where the RF & amerikan proxy forces are in conflict is the beginning area of the Steepe a vast plain which begins in Hungary through ukraine and continues thousands of clics to the heart of Russia (including Moscow with a slight diversion required to St Petersburg) then onwards into East Asia.
Right from the end of WW2 whilst amerikans were be indoctrinated into their insane ‘anti-communism’ the amerikan elite had their caps tilted at grabbing all that mineral wealth which was contained with the huge chunk of Eurasia that is Russia.
When the cold war ended amerikans tried their usual methods of theft ie financial scams based around unpayable loans etc but V Putin won election and quickly stymied that path to amerikan theft.
What to do now? Only one thing to do – hunker down with the englanders who had been seeking to emulate Bonaparte’s plan for grabbing Russia since the 1880’s. As per usual englanders always copy rarely originate. So that by the 1890’s england had invaded Crimea (remember england had a strong navy not so strong army so they invaded by the Black Sea) in the hope of defeating cuzzy-bro, the Tsar (royal blood being much thinner than water), and grabbing alla those resources plus eventually developing a rail route into India.
So amerika & england whose elites see the writing on the wall, that successful capitalism requires continuous expansion and they are suffering a dearth of ‘markets’ to expand into meaning capitalism has begun to fail in a major way, that makes fracturing the RF into several competing interests a very viable (they think) plan.
Their biggest problem is that the crisis in capitalism has spread everywhere including the ME, making success in the RF plus the ME extremely doubtful, yet they have no intention of giving up as that would spell the death of corporate capitalism, an outcome which cannot be countenanced.
Ukrainians are dying for the same reason ordinary people always die, to advance the interests of greedheads. Nothing more nor less.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 28 2024 23:36 utc | 126

Oh dear … if Kent Miller died from “medical complications” but his death was “non-operational”, are Canadians supposed to assume that he died from complications from eating too many chips dunked in gravy, poutine-style, together with steamed mussels and Belgian champagne while he was stationed in Belgium?

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 28 2024 23:40 utc | 127

RT, via Bloomberg, just now:
Published: 28 Nov 2024 | 21:29 GMT
“EU can’t replace US aid to Ukraine”
https://www.rt.com/news/608367-eu-supply-ukraine-weapons-bloomberg/
(Attn Peter AU1)
It may be a trick PR or the simple truth. Knowing this, what will Trump do??? Renege on his stop the war rhetoric and keep funding, or abandon Europe (=NATO) to its fate? Or it could be his way of forcing more EU$ into NATO kitty … as he has often whinged about 🙂

Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 28 2024 23:52 utc | 128

Posted by: Ed | Nov 28 2024 23:26 utc | 123 Jews in Ukraine are quite real, which makes one ask, how real are you? BS about “imaginary” Jews in Ukraine suggests you are not.
Forget whether you are one of the multitude of Trumpers, but if this were in any sense an honest question, you would ask them. Nobody who cares about Palestinians pushes Trump.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 28 2024 23:53 utc | 129

AryanVolt – oops sorry NorthVolt, the Fourth Reich’s great hope for EV electric batteries, just went bankrupt. That big ole race war against China ain’t leading anywhere good for us koalas. Nissan, VW, Toyota all soon bankrupt also. Even India can now make EVs better than us Reichy boys. We would back down if we had any sense. That last sentence is an inverse-conditional tautology.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Nov 28 2024 23:54 utc | 130

Not even North Korea??? Looks to me like you’ve been brainwashed by the western MSM pretty damned good 🙂
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 28 2024 19:55 utc | 73
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Yeah, “Best Korea” is unironically superior to “Yankee Colony Korea”. In terms of not going extinct as an ethnos.
People used talk about the height difference between the Koreas due the 90’s famine.
The current *age* difference might be more striking, and growing moreso with time.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Nov 28 2024 23:54 utc | 131

@John G | Thu, 28 Nov 2024 19:23:00 GMT | 63

. So to weaken Russia you don’t need to get Ukraine on your side if you can destroy it in order to deny Russia the benefits of alliance with Ukraine.

Yes, and it is even worse. They were brothers, no alliance needed. The whole thing is a genocide.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 28 2024 23:54 utc | 132

Steven t. johnson @2228
Would you perchance be a relative of the fortunately late Lyndon Baines Johnson, whose maternal side were Cryptos? Every president since LBJ has toed the Zionist line in some capacity or another…they are becoming metastasizingly worse.

Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 29 2024 0:02 utc | 133

jeremy @ 85
I realize this is a machine translation, and in the context of the return of Ukranian diaspora, but
this quote from the article disturbing:

I hope that Ukraine will still join the European Union and then it will be so that we will have one free space for the movement

But *which* people are going to move into the newly-depopulated lands of Ukraine?

Posted by: CT | Nov 29 2024 0:06 utc | 134

‘More and More Astute Geopolitical Commentators Are Saying That We Are Heading That We Are Heading Toward Nuclear War With Russia’… (&vid)
https://x.com/dimitrilascaris/status/1861772222102179908
“One of them is retired US Army Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, the former chief of staff to US Secretary of State Colin Powell.
According to Wilkerson, both Biden and Trump have surrounded themselves with brutal Neanderthals who seem incapable of grasping the extreme danger to which their agressions are exposing humanity.
Our best hope now is for people to rise up en masse and demand de-escalation. Complacency is collective suicide.”
Complacency Is collective suicide. But if we ‘rise up en masse’ we could and should demand a great deal more than that.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 29 2024 0:09 utc | 135

DS map update:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#11/48.0278285/37.2965240
Overall:
A meh day, with 16.6 kmsq taken, as opposed to a 17/day average in OCT (and higher in general in NOV). All advances were in small pieces and within the S Donetsk.
S to N:
1. 2.6 kmsq E of Velyka Novasilka. Flattening the front.
2. 4.3 kmsq N of Yasnia Poliana, widening a northward salient. Possibly menacing Kostiantynopil in the future, although still more than 5 km away. The fall of that town would make supply to all the towns east very difficult (Kurakhove, Uspenivka pocket, etc.
3. 0.3 kmsq in Kurakhove.
4. 0.9 kmsq in Beretsky. DS still has a small portion of that town in the gray.
5. 3.8 kmsq E of Zoria. (W Oche bloom.)
6. 0.4 kmsq in a salient towards the E and Pushkine. (W Oche bloom.)
7. 2.3 kmsq in/near Shovte. (NW running rail line, towards Pokrovsk.)

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 29 2024 0:13 utc | 136

All I will add now is that-
(1) The RF has these things now and has demonstrated their accuracy and destructive potential;
(2) If the Western cope addicts maintain that the strike on Dnipro was just a test, then they are severely deluded. The Rf would not have undertaken this “test” unless they were bloody sure that it would work and serve as a warning/demonstration to the Western pin-heads who have continued to “prod the bear”.
(3) I bet they have a significant number of these Hazel missiles primed and ready to go, but will refrain from predicting their probable targets.
(4) I conclude that the political and military “thinkers” in the West are in deep shock, and are -at the present time- really perplexed as what to do next in regards to RF/Ukraine. I hope they do not over react in despair.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Nov 28 2024 23:09 utc | 119
1. probable to certain, mach 10+ in dense sea level air? Yeps!
2. I mentioned test for the mirv part, probably vertical or horizontal dispersion and sequenced return to target (with different V if different altitudes), also probable test of effect on multy level buildings.
3. If by significant you mean aprox.10, I’ll agree, usual RF procedure is to keep in prototype to a dozen +-, maybe 1 or 2 “useless” destructive tests and the dnipro one, then they go to produchtion and probably churn 2 or 3 per month as they streamline the production line to 5 (and 10 if double shift)
4. Maybe not completely, if the story about “how much” , answer, no, not how much, 30 years and 1.000 engineers is true they are way beyond that, bargaining stage (but maybe that was only the 1% non idiots at the millitary that nobody trully believed)

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2024 0:15 utc | 137

Yes, and it is even worse. They were brothers, no alliance needed. The whole thing is a genocide.
Posted by: persiflo | Nov 28 2024 23:54 utc | 132
Genocide attempt by the west using the pseudo-vikings from banderaland, fought between those truly in the trenches as a tragic fratricide civil war.
But to return for something so often stated, it was the possible war for RF. Rendered inevitable by the constant push eastward by nato and practiced with a sustainable frame in mind. This is not a barely 3 year old war, its the turning point in a 30 year war of attrition against RF (and before against the soviet union).
Wouldn’t be surprised that we’d get a dozen years truce before things get too complicated elsewhere and RF reenters the fray.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2024 0:31 utc | 138

Remember, Stupidity usually explains more than Conspiracy.

Posted by: lester | Nov 29 2024 0:40 utc | 139

If the Ukis all move away, then Tatars, Kalmucks, Poles, etc., can move back.

Posted by: zhubajie | Nov 29 2024 0:45 utc | 140

As I’ve suggested several times, the only way lowering the conscription age to 18 makes any sense is if Ukraine withdrawals their forces behind the Dnieper and massively fortifies that natural defensive position AND gets sent all the equipment NATO has remaining except nukes and naval vessels. And since NATO is already considered to be at war with Russia, it might as will send what it has for air forces–fixed wing and rotary. If NATO refuses to do that, it ought to Capitulate. IMO, if Ukraine had agency, it would Capitulate on its own as it’s clearly lost and will only lose much more.
As for the Outlaw US Empire, this is one of the clearest, extremist, cases of Profit over People that could be imagined–an entire nation of 40 million being 100% sacrificed for Neoliberal interests. Oh, and this didn’t begin in 20014 or 2004 or 1994; it began in 1945 when the Outlaw US Empire and its sidekick UK kept the OUP, OUN, and Nazism alive to use as a tool against the USSR/Russia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2024 0:46 utc | 141

Was rereading my last post, a couple of minutes ago, and remembered B’s comment on the lebanon deal
“I do regard as a pause in fighting, not as an end to the war.
Both sides are in need of a pause.”
And yes, short of a WWIII that nobody (sane) wants, a defeat that the west can’t take and a total victory that RF would rather avoid (it has to choose absorbing, rebuilding policing and managing ukraine, a country without able bodied men, or continuing improvements at home). Yes a truce may be doable on the june terms, trump and putin might surprise everyone.
Anyone here wants WWIII? Anyone here thinks that taking the whole of ukraine is without risks, immediate and deferred?
With a perverse twist trump might even get that the western part will be for us companies(even odessa), no EU, and no nato whatsoever (with stern warning to european vassals). If romanian elections go against eu, trump might even allow romania (a shit-hole country AFAtrumpK) to drop out of nato (and no huuuge base there) and moldava would follow suit (screw the EU but with a trump accent). Though not a return to status quo ante as requested by RF before the SMO, might be enough to do the trick.
Seems like a reasonable deal for the trump/vance vance/? years.
Opinions?

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2024 0:51 utc | 142

freedom fritos | Nov 28 2024 17:10 utc | 13
*** The US hates nazis, the Russians hate nazis. The current situation has helped with lowering the nazi population in Ukraine. Does anyone have accurate numbers of the percentage of nazis/neonazis in Ukraine? ***
If, as they claim, both the US and Russian governments “hate nazis” … then shouldn’t they concentrate on attacking Israel as soon as possible?
All the more so since it is the real home of the Oligarchs who sponsored and deployed the nazi forces and regime in Ukraine.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 29 2024 0:59 utc | 143

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 28 2024 21:56 utc | 102
110% true.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 29 2024 1:00 utc | 144

As I’ve suggested several times, the only way lowering the conscription age to 18 makes any sense is if Ukraine withdrawals their forces behind the Dnieper and massively fortifies that natural defensive position AND gets sent all the equipment NATO has remaining except nukes and naval vessels. And since NATO is already considered to be at war with Russia, it might as will send what it has for air forces–fixed wing and rotary. If NATO refuses to do that, it ought to Capitulate. IMO, if Ukraine had agency, it would Capitulate on its own as it’s clearly lost and will only lose much more.
As for the Outlaw US Empire, this is one of the clearest, extremist, cases of Profit over People that could be imagined–an entire nation of 40 million being 100% sacrificed for Neoliberal interests. Oh, and this didn’t begin in 20014 or 2004 or 1994; it began in 1945 when the Outlaw US Empire and its sidekick UK kept the OUP, OUN, and Nazism alive to use as a tool against the USSR/Russia.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2024 0:46 utc | 141
Yes, we’re on the same page, I mentioned some months ago (under a different model) that AFU had to get whatever they could recover east of dniepre AND go for the schoolboys with the impetus of a full catholic synod and hold at the river.’
And yes, I mentioned before the ussr stage as well, though the ukraine angle was a minor one then.
Now bear with me…
“AND gets sent all the equipment NATO has remaining except nukes and naval vessels. And since NATO is already considered to be at war with Russia, it might as will send what it has for air forces–fixed wing and rotary. ”
Is that doable? with boots on the ground because the river won’t limit AFU’s attrition as much as they might desire.
“If NATO refuses to do that, it ought to Capitulate.”
Maybe a freudian slip but you hit the nail, NATO would have to capitulate. Is that doable?
And now I’m back to my truce scenario, drop the EU, drop a couple of shit-hole countries and get some money from west ukraine… the trump and vance administrations could live with that.
Don’t ask me what happens to europe during that dozen years. Have to ponder more on that.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2024 1:02 utc | 145

Barflies, I have a question about a thought that occurred to me on this Ukraine and other ongoing geopolitical crisis of US authorship.
The US increasingly in its slide from the peak of its power, is discovering limits here and there. A true heagemon is able to set and achieve geopolitical objectives, but a diminished power increasingly runs into obstacles and finds these unachievable, then has to settle for a spoiler role i.e. “if I can’t have it, nobody can”. So in post occupation Afghanistan, Syria, and now Ukraine, the initial objective of subduing and bringing these states under its control has failed, so the goal then becomes “denying adversaries the strategic potential” of the territory in question.
In Afghanistan it is denying China resource deals and scuttling belt and road (which depends on a reasonable level of peace, even if it is the rule of the Taliban). So we are seeing efforts at starting insurgent type conflicts against the Taliban, and the execution of Chinese engineers etc (some in Pakistan Baluchistan as well, possibly by same or afiliated actors). In Syria, being an Iranian ally which they couldn’t dislodge, the goal is for it to remains weak and conflict ridden.
So, finally, getting to my point, Ukraine, I think having failed in the initial goal of bringing ukraine into its orbit, the goal is to ensure that it never drifts back into the Russian orbit, and if it does, a nation that (internal corruption etc aside) held great potential as part of a military or economic alliance for Russia, will be largely useless and perhaps even a burden if it drifts back. So now, beyond the fading dream of Ukraine filling a long term role as Afghsnistan 2.0, the new goal is to “deny/destroy its strategic potential for the adversary” in the event internal anger over how Ukraine has been used by the west leads its social and political majority sentiment back into the Russian orbit. Does it strike others here as a possible strategy, not just in Ukraine but as broader US geopolitical philosophy?

Posted by: Olivia DeOliveira | Nov 29 2024 1:03 utc | 146

Remember, Stupidity usually explains more than Conspiracy.
Posted by: lester | Nov 29 2024 0:40 utc | 139
Believing conspiracies don’t exist is the stupidity top of the world.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 29 2024 1:11 utc | 147

I never thought I would see the day where it is now normalised for the US, UK etc to be launching missiles into Russia and its leadership does nothing except batter an obvious proxy that is as disposable as a used condom.
Putin and gang are obviously compromised.

Posted by: evilsooty | Nov 29 2024 1:12 utc | 148

anonposter | Nov 28 2024 18:04 utc | 32
*** Real demographic crisis is in Ukrainian women, but that is a bridge that had to be crossed regardless. WWII losses were recovered in a single generation, because women in the post-WWII era wanted children. If modern Ukrainian women don’t want children, then Ukraine has a massive demographic problem with or without war.***
Since the betrayal and end of the USSR, the NATO planners were determined to destroy society in Ukraine even though it was separate from Russia. The war has really been going on since that time, with preparations for bringing about that situation having been made decades earlier.
And those — the controllers of “NATO” — who deliberately, and in alliance with gangsters, destroyed Ukraine certainly won’t stop at that.
All the European countries are on the eventual kill-list and are already well into the process of being likewise destroyed … including Britain.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 29 2024 1:17 utc | 149

karlof1 | Nov 29 2024 0:46 utc | 141
I think what is occurring now and up until the inauguration is aq lot of fog of war and muddy water type thing. Lot of desperation/consternation on the part of the globalist crowd.
That Tass interview and Musk involvement in the missile plant. Musk Trump Carlson Pentagon. The Tucker Carlson interview with Putin. Carlson CIA. A somewhat complex incestuous circle there.
This escalation we are seeing now – I fully expected it but expected it to be the British not the so called Biden administration. This seems to be an act of desperation by the now minority faction in the US.
Trump has appointed a TV general to some position related to Ukraine and it seems the main object is to free up US to concentrate on China rather than end the war as such, though US pulling out pretty much ends it anyway.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2024 1:19 utc | 150

@ aristodemos, #80
I almost mentioned the good ole DuPonts in my posting about the recent “non-existence” of Monsanto but didn’t go there. I didn’t know they were making gunpowder for the U.S. government back to 1812 but obviously the U.S. Civil War is where they really made their coin to move up in the ranks of big late 1800s American corporations. A little more digging into the history of the Monsanto company reveals that they too were a chemical company before they got into developing GMO ag seeds. An Anglo-American with the interesting last name of “Queeny” founded Monsanto at the turn of the 20th century in mid-America and named it after his wife’s family name. The Monsantos ended up having a rather unique background for this part of the US of A, descending from Spanish empire Jews who ended up in Louisiana in the second half of the 1700s and who made good coin from selling slaves. I find that bit ironic for good Exodus people but I digress.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_family
I didn’t realize that the Monsanto company had an interesting track record before GMO crops in the later 20th century. The company created all kinds of toxic brews (Agent Orange anyone?). It’s obvious by the time Round Up ready soybeans came out in the 1990s that the Monsanto company was well connected with the ruling elites of the United States. I didn’t realize that Monsanto had gotten into the ag seed business by buying DeKalb Seed in the 1980s. I wonder what one of my farmer uncles who used to sell DeKalb seed back in the day would have thought about GMO dominance of corn and soybeans today (we’re too far north to raise cotton)? He was towards the end of his farming career when American soy went to GMO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto
I’m surprised that when you talked about the DuPonts helping to found hybrid corn seed in the 1930s that you didn’t mention Henry Wallace, who was the main guy for Pioneer and became FDR’s first Sec of Ag and later U.S. Vice President during most of WWII until the elites knew that FDR was dying in late 1944 and wouldn’t stand for Wallace becoming POTUS. Thus, they got a scrappy but obedient U.S. Senator from Missouri named Harry Truman to be their sucker in early 1945. So, did the DuPonts give Wallace the seed money (pardon the bad pun) to get “Hi-Bred Corn Company” (Pioneer) turned into the creature it became in American ag or was it Wallace being Sec of Ag in 1933 that really pushed hybrid corn to national fruition or a combo of it all?
https://www.iowapbs.org/iowapathways/mypath/2655/henry-wallace
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace
There are still open-pollinated corn varieties out there but they are afterthoughts on the national and global scales because they tend not to produce as much per land unit as the hybrids and they also don’t fit the corporate model of keeping the farmer beholding to new, bought inputs every year, a model taken to vengeance under Monsanto when they sued farmers for trying to keep their own grown GMO seed to be used the next year (primarily with non-hybrid soybeans) because the GMO patent resided with the parent company.
Most American farmers bought off on all the agricultural improvements but by the 1950s even some lone voices in the U.S. government saw that this was going to create another form of bondage. One of Eisenhower’s Under Sec of Ag, an agricultural economist named Willard Cochrane, came up with a thesis called the “technological treadmill”—if Cochrane didn’t come up with it, he used it effectively in his discussions. One of the first temporary cropland retirement programs, called the “Soil Bank”, was started during Eisenhower’s POTUS terms. Cochrane published his last book at the age of 88 in 2002/03, an overall interesting man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_treadmill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willard_Cochrane
If you have some friends up there near the North Woods who want to play around with a neat open-pollinated, supposedly high anti-oxidant, short-season corn, you can steer them my way and I’ll sell them some. Start small and save their outputs and in a few years, they’ll have a bunch to plant on larger patches of ground. Hard to sell this colored, “non-traditional” corn at the local elevators but it makes great cornmeal, probably excellent chicken and other livestock feed, and some good whiskey 😉. Maybe this time next year—if we’re still around—I might have some Bloody Butcher red dent open-pollinated corn to sell, a truly magnificent heirloom corn.
https://dakprstreamseed.us/products/for-home-grinding-4-pounds-montana-morado-maize-corn

Posted by: DakotaRog | Nov 29 2024 1:23 utc | 151

@ Olivia DeOliveira | Nov 29 2024 1:03 utc | 146
> “ if we can’t have it, nobody can”.
Yes, every barfly agrees the hegemon applies this philosophy.

Posted by: I forgot | Nov 29 2024 1:23 utc | 152

There’s still a few more white, Christian young men left in Ukraine
Best to kill them all off before Blackrock and WEF can repopulate it with Arabs and Africans

Posted by: FJB | Nov 29 2024 1:25 utc | 153

@ Olivia DeOliveira | Nov 29 2024 1:03 utc | 146
i am not sure that is the intentional strategy, but it is a byproduct of the unipolar dynamic being replaced by a multipolar one… i suppose one could say it is what sore losers do too… or maybe it is just the lack of maturity which is on real display.. lacking the ability to accept reality, it continues to destroy the future of itself and others.. at any rate, we are sort of their, or here with regard to the usa/uk west at this point, although most folks haven’t completely woken up to this.. i think we will have reached this point when an actual leader from the usa/uk acknowledge this – and we are a long ways off from that as it seems to me here… a serious financial collapse might speed it up some.. thanks for your post..

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2024 1:36 utc | 154

A rope leash | Nov 28 2024 19:31 utc | 68
*** Zelinsky has said that he would like to see Ukraine reborn as a Jewish state. All he has to do now is make peace with Russia by giving them what they wish. A rebuilt rump Ukraine ruled by jews might not be Russia’s favorite outcome, but they might find it easier to deal with than a rebuilt Ukraine in the EU and NATO.***
Depends what you mean by “Russia”. The same satanic cult exists, and is pandered to by the Putin administration, in Russia. Having a mass of them also lording it directly in Ukraine (and eagerly anticipating their promised 2,800 slaves each) would actually be even worse than the EU + NATO (both of which their like control) being there but with a lower concentration of these genetic cultists.
Both are seriously possible scenarios unless the Russians can purge their country of fifth-columnists and then annihilate the New Khazarians.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 29 2024 1:51 utc | 155

Mishka78 from
https://en.topwar.ru/254624-prezident-rf-o-sledujuschem-udare-oreshnikom-celju-mogut-byt-centry-prinjatija-reshenij-v-kieve.html
<< April 13 2022 The Russian Armed Forces will strike at decision-making centers in Kyiv if attempts to organize sabotage and shelling of Russian territory continue, said the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry Igor Konashenkov. https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/2022/04/13/917995-minoboroni-rf-prigrozilo-nanesti-udar
6 2022 June
Nebenzya: Russia has the right to strike decision-making centers after MLRS supplies to Kyiv
https://tass.ru/politika/14837365
17 2022 June
Vladimir Putin preferred to keep to himself the answer to the question about red lines, the crossing of which would lead to attacks on decision-making centers in Ukraine
https://tass.ru/politika/14956849
October 23 2022
Some Russian politicians spoke about strikes on Ukrainian “decision-making centers”.
In particular, Deputy Head of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev spoke about this possibility.
“If these types of weapons (MLRS supplied to Kyiv by the US) are used against Russian territories, the armed forces of our country will have no choice but to act to destroy decision-making centers,” he said.
Medvedev explained: “Everyone understands what these centers are – the Ministry of Defense, the General Staff, and whatever else.”
On October 20, Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov called on social media to “wipe off the face of the earth” decision-making centers in Ukraine if Kyiv allows itself to strike at Russian territory.
https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2022/10/23/15665341.shtml?updated
30 May 2023 years
Putin: We have already spoken about the possibility of striking at decision-making headquarters, at decision-making centres.
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/71256
Etc. etc.

Posted by: burak | Nov 29 2024 1:58 utc | 156

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang@107……they wouldn’t dare do that……would they?
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 29 2024 1:58 utc | 157

Newbie | Nov 29 2024 1:02 utc | 145–
Thanks for your reply. It doesn’t appear that you read “NATO Faces Capitulation in Europe” from two days ago. For the Outlaw US Empire/NATO, IMO it’s either all-in with all that remains or all-out as in gone. From Ukraine’s POV, the Outlaw US Empire/NATO have acted like a used-car salesman who knows everything on his lot is a lemon, but he must get rid of the inventory regardless. Zelensky continuously pleads for something better off the lot, but all he gets delivered is crap. And that crap is what NATO forces would also be forced to use. Thus, the analogy to Hitler in 1945 thinking he still has formidable forces when he had next to none. That’s the political reality NATO/Outlaw US Empire dares not admit, although its media is beginning to admit facts.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2024 1:58 utc | 158

My belief is that if someday its possible to write an honest history from surviving records, the historians will find an appalling series of covered up anti-Semitic harassment, beatings, vandalism and the occasional murder of Jews not connected to Kolomoyskiy or Chabad. God only knows what might happen to Ukrainian Jews in the fallout from the overthrow of Zelensky. But regardless, the orgy of anti-Semitic BS is appalling.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 28 2024 22:28 utc | 112
I am usually more polite than this, but you pushed it…..
FUCK YOU DIE IN A 🔥!
Fuck you and all your hasbara bullshit and your malformed diseased tiny little mind.
I curse you and all the spawn of your pathetic loins until the end of time.
May you and your line end forever!

Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 29 2024 2:08 utc | 159

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGx_OEZkc5w
Guy in the comments claims 90% of Ukr rail is electric and US can’t replace engines with diesel electric ’cause the gauge is wrong. So, Ukr logistics are due to fail mostly now. Makes me wonder why Russia didn’t do it sooner, if that’s true. Ukraine wants to mobilize 160K – what’s the point? They’ll be dead or incapacitated in less than 3 months at current rates.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 29 2024 2:20 utc | 160

Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2024 1:19 utc | 150–
Thanks for your reply. I tend to agree with your assessment. Iran too. The problem of course is the Empire spreading itself too thin to have a positive outcome, which will lead to frustration and gaffs because of the temper that causes. What the Empire needs is to be appeased with meaningless victories that alter nothing but satisfy the ego of the megalomaniacs. Yes, that’s going to be hard to do, and maybe cannot be done. Currently, Neoliberal policy is the West’s worst enemy but it’s blind to that fact. Trump’s admin choices tell me he’ll do nothing to alter that policy, which will cause the Empire to decline faster. The most important thing is to keep the Nukes buried in their silos and armories.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2024 2:20 utc | 161

Georga is kicking off right now their govenment have put a stop to joining the EU.
Thousands rioting.
Allepo in Syria, major clash between western backed terrorists. And Syrian and Russian troops, syria and Russia air force bombing the crap out of them.
We told them not to poke the Russian hornets nest.
This is all interconected.
They mistook Vladimir Putins restrant as weakness.
Now we wake up to world war 3.
And its only 2.30 am here.
Lets hope i’m still alive at 7 am.
Iran ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 29 2024 2:40 utc | 162

steven t johnson | Nov 28 2024 22:28 utc | 112
*** My belief is that if someday its possible to write an honest history from surviving records, the historians will find an appalling series of covered up anti-Semitic harassment, beatings, vandalism and the occasional murder of Jews not connected to Kolomoyskiy or Chabad. God only knows what might happen to Ukrainian Jews in the fallout from the overthrow of Zelensky. But regardless, the orgy of anti-Semitic BS is appalling.***
No, it is realism. Too many ordinary Jews almost invariably tend to cover up for the extremist bad element and always have done, everywhere — a historical reason why they’ve often all eventually been clobbered.
Decent ones who do try to oppose the bad element tend to get demonised or cancelled, since it is the bad element who have influence in the mass-media. finance and big party politics.
In Ukraine the Lubavich cult — or rather, its ambition — is a very serious threat. They want that country instead of Israel; their ideological/theocratic leaders were from Ukraine and have shrines there. Their cult is already effectively in control of Ukraine. It really does regard other (non Jewish and probably some Jewish as well) people as mere animals.
Previous mention of these cultists wanting to end up as — regarding themselves as theologically meant to be — slave-owners is fact, not fantasy.
There are plenty of whitewashing lies on the internet about their most recently departed leader Schneerson … originally from Ukraine, and in all aspects as malevolent a character as ever existed.
As you correctly mentioned, Kolomoisky and other criminal Oligarchs belong to their ultra-racist cult, as do most at the top of of Zelensky’s administration (hence they genuinely couldn’t care less if millions of Ukrainian “animals” get killed).
Kushner is also one of theirs, so Trump may make the Ukraine situation even worse than it already is — and since they managed to become the most powerful Jewish outfit in Russia, and Putin is disturbingly friendly with them … they might well acquire much of Ukraine for themselves and displaced Israeli Zionists.
Just as Zelensky said — and meant.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 29 2024 2:53 utc | 163

just mind-blowing how the Ukrainian population, minus those that identify as Russians, can be nearly destroyed in one generation. for every family-ready male killed or majorly maimed, that’s all his children never to be born, and a would-be spouse that will now marry outside or not at all. seen as the termination of all future lines, the kill and maim count is multiple times the ostensible number.
what a tragedy. but even with the anti-russian propaganda pumped for generations, they themselves must be held responsible for the fate they suffer. to be someone’s dog is to die a dog’s death.

Posted by: Mastameta | Nov 29 2024 2:55 utc | 164

Thanks for your reply. It doesn’t appear that you read “NATO Faces Capitulation in Europe” from two days ago..
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2024 1:58 utc | 158
I hadn’t and though I browsed it a serious reply will take long time. (I agree that the us is always trying to screw someone, but I’m not sure that it’s so early, I think they were mainly trying to screw the Brits and the French until they were dealt with , only were they subdued did the focus change)
How about the truce scenario, can you picture it?

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 29 2024 3:00 utc | 165

Chad has informed France today that they intend to “sever all ties”
It would be good if our world wide network of commenters could whatch for more anti west actions at the realtime momment.
‘Somethings afoot’
que scary music.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 29 2024 3:03 utc | 166

One positive outcome. These new recruits could be the ones to finish off their superiors and embedded nazi enforcers and mass surrender

Posted by: Michael J | Nov 29 2024 3:05 utc | 167

MichaelJ @ 168
That would be a victory for the people of Ukraine not a surrender.
It’s all about marketing the good idear.
But i hope your right.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 29 2024 3:16 utc | 168

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 28 2024 22:28 utc | 112
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When you say anti-semitic, are you talking about Arab speakers of Semitic languages or do you mean Western Jews from Poland and America, who claim anti-semitism to shut down critique of crimes against humanity as they ruthlessly and brutally slaughter innocent people?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2024 3:35 utc | 169

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 29 2024 3:03 utc | 167
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African nations with traditional ties to France have been charting independent courses for 2 years now, including but not limited to Niger, Mali, and Burkina Faso. Russia and China have been helping to remove the Western-sponsored terrorist forces used to maintain a colonial presence in the region. Remnants of Wagner now provide security for the Burkinabe government.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2024 3:40 utc | 170

We Will All Go Together When We Go
or How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb

Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 29 2024 3:41 utc | 171

Ukraine took the largest demographical hit precisely in the 18 – 40 year woman category, who dispersed steadily outside Ukraine and vast majority will NEVER go back. Anyone can understand that there is no future for that state.
Thus, the SMO prophecy becomes fulfilled.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 28 2024 18:10 utc | 34
That is one of the most serious issues that point to a dramatic decline in standards of living for Ukraine.
Another serious issue that I have not seen addressed anywhere is the education status of the children who are still left in Ukraine. (If anyone knows of work addressing this issue I’d appreciate a link to it.)
Every year that the war continues means the kids are (IMO) 6 months behind kids in the surrounding countries. I know it doesn’t sound like much, but I believe it will prove to be significant. Employment prospects in the EU will be diminished for those wanting to emigrate. The number of STEM graduates will fall to low levels, as will the number of suitably qualified scientists/engineers/medicos who are capable of teaching STEM subjects at a high university level.
Ukraine has very dismal prospects for the next 2 or 3 decades, at least.

Posted by: Liolia Paluzas | Nov 29 2024 3:48 utc | 172

At least Georgia won’t seemingly be following Ukraine into oblivion.
The Georgian parliament has voted to reject all EU ‘grants’ (payments for politicians and officials to sell out the country) and voted to suspend EU membership negotiations until 2028 (by which it is very likely EU will be already a buried organization).

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2024 3:58 utc | 173

Police use watercannons against EU-American fan club gathering in Tbilisi.
https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1862263592244191341

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2024 4:06 utc | 174

Someone asks, whether it is true that NATO lieutenant-commander Kent Miller choked on a hazelnut causing the medical complication.
https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1862283029210710347

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2024 4:10 utc | 175

Ukrainians Stage Bucha 2.0 In Selidovo – Part I

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2024 4:13 utc | 176

unimperator | Nov 29 2024 3:58 utc | 174
Georgia wil come under some nasty attacks from the usual suspects. I hope they survive them.
Hopefully a good portion of the Georgian population realise it is a matter of life or death for them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2024 4:16 utc | 177

The United States are evil personified.

Posted by: rgl | Nov 29 2024 4:17 utc | 178

Apologies — I am coming on here late so I don’t know,again, if this has already been noted here. I am referring to Alexander Mercouris’s post for today, which I have just finished reading. It is shorter than usual, but jampacked with information, including passages from Putin’s latest speech. So, here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhC21YJo9G8&t=3896s
The last part of the video deals with Trump’s appointment of General Kellog and is as important as the first part. I won’t describe it in detail, but it begins with the fact that the report folk have used as a measure of the man was issued early in the presidential campaign and should be regarded in that provenance. I am reminded of President Kennedy’s campaign, in that he too sounded much different from his actual course of action before he was in actuality President. So appointments made during this period ought to be viewed in the current circumstances.
At any rate, please give a listen. I agree with what Alexander is saying, and I thank him for saying it.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 29 2024 4:18 utc | 179

Newbie | Nov 29 2024 3:00 utc | 166–
There will be no “truce” negotiations; Russia has already said Nyet. There will be a settlement related to Western Capitulation. Only two other results are possible: Nuclear War or a complete slinking away by the West to leave Ukraine hanging by itself, wherein it will Capitulate and the #1 issue of Eurasian Security will remain to be forged by all non-NATO Eurasian actors.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2024 4:47 utc | 180

Putin said RUAF is compiling a list of industrial facilities, bases and decision making centers in Ukraine. Zelensky has reportedly been 3 straight days inside his (Fuhrer?) bunker in Kiev, but Putin also hinted no bunker is safe from the new type of weapon.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2024 4:52 utc | 181

Guy in the comments claims 90% of Ukr rail is electric and US can’t replace engines with diesel electric ’cause the gauge is wrong. So, Ukr logistics are due to fail mostly now. Makes me wonder why Russia didn’t do it sooner, if that’s true. Ukraine wants to mobilize 160K – what’s the point? They’ll be dead or incapacitated in less than 3 months at current rates.
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 29 2024 2:20 utc | 160

Good that you picked up on the gauge issue.
Which brings us back to the topic of Putin having to answer for a lot, really, really a lot, regarding the way he has been prosecuting the war, which has cost needlessly tens of thousands of Russian lives and has brought us to the brink of WWIII.
Guess what the most obvious target for a missile strike, the day after the West announced it was going to begin weapon transfers into Ukraine, was?
The gauge change stations in Mostyska and a handful of other places.
Destroy that and railway traffic stops. When they repair it, hit again, and again, and again. See what effect it has — it will stop the transfer of tanks and ammunition for at least a while. Trucks can only partially substitute, and the roads can be blocked with missile strikes too.
Yet it has not been touched to this day.
Meanwhile they spent probably 30 Kh-101s hitting the gas storage and transfer facility in nearby Striy, with absolutely no effect on the war.
The only token efforts to block logistics have been the strikes on the tunnel under the Carpathians (with no effect) and on the Zatoka bridge south of Odessa (which was again struck recently, which tells you how effective the previous strikes were; not sure if this time it was finally finished — Ukies are not known for being transparent — but it doesn’t matter, the Polish border is wide open, as is the Romanian one west of Moldova).

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 29 2024 4:55 utc | 182

“Too many ordinary Jews almost invariably tend to cover up for the extremist bad element and always have done, everywhere — a historical reason why they’ve often all eventually been clobbered.”
@Cynic | Nov 29 2024 2:53 utc | 164
I wonder to what extent might a similar condition describe how anglosaxons cover up for their own elites?
And that is important since the oligarchy’s machinery usually is behind the emergence of cults. For example The sabbatean cult from the 17th century was created by English universities in order to help create nodes in Turkey to help the east indian company.
And for whom did those cults you mention actually work when they were clobbered?
Were they on their own or were they middlemen for a greater power?
Since there were series of expulsions one would expect the targets to change behaviour. But if they were working for somebody else like they usally are today they may have saved the profits for that party.
According to articles by the Larouche associates the Knights of Malta was secretely the higher power above the jews who were causing indignation.
That oligarchic mechanism is usually not brought up. The anglosaxon elites have been doing what they could to divert attention from themselves by way of carefully crafted propaganda.
So this meme about them always having done this and that fits well together with the lifes work of Nesta Webster spreading this type of historical account but in reality covering up that Britain was the mastermind of it all.
The 19th century saw the British elites producing tens of different cults be they zionist och christian or christian zionist. All of it intended to expand the empire. The whole angloamerican support for zionism and the Israel project was decisively erected in that period and that was long before Balfour and Wilson came into the picture.
The first important period in England was in the 1500s and it was all related to Englands plans for building an empire.
And while it wasnt outspoken it was simultaneously about controlling the financiers to join and to remain lojal to Britain. To have them tied up to care for a vulnerable region would make them dependent on the protection of the empire.
All the talk about international financiers only expressed Britain’s fears that the financiers might become international instead of always letting Britain being the major beneficiary of the wars
I agree about the narcissistic character of the zionists but
where is there any sign of selfcriticism among the anglosaxons?

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 29 2024 4:59 utc | 183

Putin said RUAF is compiling a list of industrial facilities, bases and decision making centers in Ukraine. Zelensky has reportedly been 3 straight days inside his (Fuhrer?) bunker in Kiev, but Putin also hinted no bunker is safe from the new type of weapon.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2024 4:52 utc | 182

Zelensky has been in FPV and artillery range from Russian positions on many occasions, and it even got the point of soldiers having the red dot on him and being ready to pull the trigger but their commanders strictly forbidding it under threat of severe punishment, because those were the orders from on top.
What makes you think they need to get him in his bunker? They could have taken him out easily all that time.
And should have – the moment it became clear he internalized the role he was playing and fully embraced his previously hidden inner Zhidobandera self, which was some time in mid-2022 the latest, that had to be done.

Posted by: ANON2022 | Nov 29 2024 5:01 utc | 184

@Donbass Lives Matter | Nov 28 2024 17:20 utc | 17
The idea is to: 1) ensure that all the able-bodied Ukrainians are killed and 2) force Russia to conquer the whole territory. This way, Russia will be forced to take care of millions of elderly people and cripples, costing them massive amounts of money that could otherwise be spent on productive development.
Exactly!
Except Ukraine has now started executing all the babushkas waiting for the Russian liberators. Over 300 civilians are are reported to have been massacred in Selidovo and Novogrodovka. See:
Selydove massacre – A Closer Look On Syria
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Nov 28 2024 18:36 utc | 44
I dont think you know what “babushka” means: It means “grandmother”, not “woman”.
Perhaps you are thinking of the Russian word “”baba” [баба], which means “woman”, but is often used derogatively or mockingly, like “broad” in American English.
In Russian, “grandmothers” is “babushki” [бабушки], pronounced “bahbushkee”, and “broads” is “baby” [бабы], pronounced as “bahbee”.

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Nov 29 2024 5:46 utc | 185

RT has reported that Shoigu at the CSTO Summit stated “Russia’s allies are under ‘nuclear umbrella’ – security chief”: “The secretary of the Russian National Security Council has advised Western countries to study Russia’s new nuclear doctrine with care, highlighting that it provides for the use of Moscow’s arsenal to defend its Eurasian allies.” [My Emphasis]
Team Biden needs to wake up to reality. There’s much more to come from the CSTO Summit that will get posted Friday.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2024 6:14 utc | 186

The problem of course is the Empire spreading itself too thin to have a positive outcome, which will lead to frustration and gaffs because of the temper that causes.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2024 2:20 utc | 161

I’m here for the gaffs. I want to die laughing.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 29 2024 6:54 utc | 187

The only aim of the west from the very beginning was that Ukraine does not align fully with Russia and become like a second Belorussia. With the gradual increase of prosperity in Russia that would have been the natural evolution. In order to prevent that they aimed at a total destruction of Ukraine and its people. From that perspective look at what happened since 2014 and before and you will understand. In most things what the outcome is is also what the intention was. Lowering the living standards in a country and use mass psychology and you can do whatever you like with the people in it.

Posted by: hubert | Nov 29 2024 6:56 utc | 188

@Posted by: Liolia Paluzas | Nov 29 2024 3:48 utc | 173
The millions who are currently in Russia may very well return home to the new Russian oblasts, and then there can also be carefully controlled immigration combined with a homesteading act. The new Russian oblasts will become a great place to be as the industrial heartland is rebuilt and with extensive farmland and other resources. With a much better future ahead the birth rate may very well pick up substantially. Lets remember that Russian GDP per capita was twice that of Ukraine even before the war broke out.
Any area controlled by the West will continue to be exploited by homegrown and foreign oligarchs, as well as having little industry. Most of those that fled to the West may very well stay there given the dim prospects in the Western resource colony.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 29 2024 7:06 utc | 189

Z is the best thing going for Russia. No way they are going to take him out yet. His military blunders too numerous. It is the job of his country men when they come out of the mass formation psychosis or whatever that was applied on the poor souls

Posted by: Michael J | Nov 29 2024 7:39 utc | 190

West just gave whole of Ukraine to Russia to repopulate. Good job.
Those who stayed will be cleansed of any love for the ones that forced them to die. They will be the people who hate nazis and west most in the world. Will welcome Russia as savior that liberated them from this insanity.
Those who ran away from Ukraine will be rabid “patriots”, and Russophobic for generations to come – same as all jews, nazis and all those colourful bunch that escaped Russia/Europe to the west in last centuries. They will bark and hate but won’t be able to do anything.
And, IMO, depopulated Ukraine will force Russias hand to take all of it. They can’t let any piece of land be left for west to take it and make new base for future attacks.
Good work, western geniuses. Russia (re)settled whole Far East and Siberia. Ukraine will be cakewalk.

Posted by: Abe | Nov 29 2024 7:53 utc | 191

that’s nonsense. Russia will never completely conquer the Ukraine.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 29 2024 8:19 utc | 192

“Politicians in Ukraine, like elsewhere, are bribable.”
Which raises the question: Could Russia have achieved its objectives in Ukraine (de-Nazification, de-militarization, no NATO membership) more cheaply through bribery of Ukrainian officials vs. their Special Military Operation.

Posted by: Jeff | Nov 29 2024 8:25 utc | 193

Which raises the question: Could Russia have achieved its objectives in Ukraine (de-Nazification, de-militarization, no NATO membership) more cheaply through bribery of Ukrainian officials vs. their Special Military Operation.
Posted by: Jeff | Nov 29 2024 8:25 utc | 194
This was actually attempted by Putin but the level of corruption within that gangster state meant whoever he paid couldn’t be relied on, or simply ran off with the money.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 29 2024 8:30 utc | 194

Posted by: Jeff | Nov 29 2024 8:25 utc | 194
Think many Russian objectives could be met by bribes at micro level. But at macro level west printing press bigger. De dollarization is another long term objective of BRICS to counter this

Posted by: Michael J | Nov 29 2024 8:37 utc | 195

man, they could just ship in some voluntaries from north korea, they’re cheap and available and would like to defend freedom and democracy for a greencard.

Posted by: Grasdackel | Nov 29 2024 8:42 utc | 196

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 28 2024 19:27 utc | 65
Brilliant dark humor.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 29 2024 9:11 utc | 197

Posted by: kupkee | Nov 28 2024 20:31 utc | 84
Agree. Utterances by that American politician should not be taken seriously, as in revealing any part of any strategy, nope, it is pure bile by a resentful faggot that hates to be in the loser’s side.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 29 2024 9:22 utc | 198

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 28 2024 20:54 utc | 88

But the longer that senseless killing in Ukraine is lasting, and now being extended to ages 18 to 24, the more it looks to me that there is a plan behind it,…

There is no such plan. Western leaders don’t give a shit about ukrops one way or another. It is like this: (1) West only cares about weakening Russia but the costs far exceed the returns and Russia is actually getting stronger, (2) Jewish ukrop leadership is consuming ukrop population bottom up to grab Western treasure in typical Jewish fashion, (3) ukrop population is weak, feebleminded and extensively propagandized but may explode if pressed hard enough, (4) Russians are winning slowly to avoid casualties because Putin is counting on a demographic boost after the war and for that he needs horny men returning from the Ukraines to inseminate horny females.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 29 2024 9:32 utc | 199

What are those “decision-making centers” in Ukraine, that Russia wants to hit.
I think, these are only empty buildings by now.

Posted by: Salmon | Nov 29 2024 9:43 utc | 200