To The Last Ukrainian
The U.S. is willing to (proxy-)fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian.
White House presses Ukraine to lower draft age to meet manpower needs against Russia
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden's administration is urging Ukraine to quickly increase the size of its military by drafting more troops and revamping its mobilization laws to allow for the conscription of those as young as 18.A senior Biden administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private consultations, said Wednesday that the outgoing Democratic administration wants Ukraine to lower the mobilization age to 18 from the current age of 25 to expand the pool of fighting-age men available to help a badly outnumbered Ukraine in its nearly three-year-old war with Russia.
The official said “the pure math” of Ukraine's situation now is that it needs more troops in the fight.
"Pure math" also says that following the advice order from Washington will guarantee that there will be no future Ukrainians left to fight for:
I have pointed out six month ago that there are hardly a significant number of 18 to 25 year old left in Ukraine. If that cohort gets further diminished by senseless dying Ukraine's future will be even more bleak than it is now. Even the British nuts who earlier proposed to draft 18 year old Ukrainians have learned to shut up about it.
The graphic below, taken from Wikipedia's Demographics of Ukraine, presumes that Ukraine has a population of some 40 million:
biggerBut the real population number in the areas under control of the Ukrainian government is by now only about 20 million, half of which are people of retirement age. Drafting the few men of age 18 to 25 will not help to win the war but will, over time, further depopulate Ukraine.
Even without sacrificing its youth Ukraine's demographic outlook is already bad:
Ukraine’s total fertility rate – the average number of babies per woman of child-bearing age – is currently 0.7, the lowest in the world. The country’s demographics have been further affected by a mass exodus to the West and significant casualties on the battlefield, to the point where the very survival of the nation is in question, a government-funded think tank told The Times earlier this year.“Male life expectancy has decreased from 66-67 before the war to 57-58,” said Ella Libanova, head of the Institute for Demography and Social Studies at the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine. Only four African countries – Chad, Nigeria, Lesotho and the Central African Republic – have lower life expectancies.
During the war on Vietnam the U.S. completely destroyed the town of Ben Tre:
“It became necessary to destroy the town to save it,” a U.S. major said Wednesday.
Now the U.S. is likewise destroying the people of Ukraine to "save them" from further existence.
Ukrainian officials have for now rejected U.S. demands to lower the mobilization age:
"We are now in the situation when we need more equipment to arm all the people that have already been mobilized, and we think the first priority is to send quicker, faster military aid," Heorhii Tykhyi, a spokesman for Ukraine's foreign ministry, told reporters in Kyiv.
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His statement echoed a comment on Wednesday from Ukrainian presidential adviser Dmytro Lytvyn, who criticized what he said was sluggish military aid."Ukraine cannot be expected to compensate for delays in logistics or hesitation in support with the youth of our men on the frontline,” Lytvyn wrote on X.
Politicians in Ukraine, like elsewhere, are bribable. With a significant amount of additional cash the Zelenzki regime can be induced to follow whatever wishes Washington might have.
Mobilizing the youth may though be the last decision the former president of Ukraine will make.
Posted by b on November 28, 2024 at 16:36 UTC | Permalink
next page »''Mobilizing the youth may though be the last decision the former president of Ukraine will make.''
Thats why the dollar needs to go..
Posted by: Nick | Nov 28 2024 16:43 utc | 2
''Politicians in Ukraine, like elsewhere, are bribable. With a significant amount of additional cash the Zelenzki regime can be induced to follow whatever wishes Washington might have.''
Thats why the dollar needs to go..
Posted by: Nick | Nov 28 2024 16:43 utc | 3
I still can't believe the babushkas are taking the annihilation of their husbands, kids, brothers and uncles without marching on the Rada. The rate this is going the death rate as a % of population could encroach on that of the USSR in WW2.
Elsewhere I read today that South Korea has birth rate per female of 0.69 !
Posted by: Al Dossary | Nov 28 2024 16:45 utc | 4
This is just another way of ethnic cleansing. Prepares the land for resettling by immigrants, or for exploitation by the likes of Blackrock and Monsanto.
Posted by: grunzt | Nov 28 2024 16:48 utc | 5
Are we all mistaken about nato. It seems they really want to finish off ukraine for whatever reasons.Russia just a means to achieve that goal. Z ever ready to oblige
Unless smote from the Earth, the United States, a Jewish ethnic supremacist entity, will continue its policy of global genocide until the entirety of Eurasia (the colloquial “Lisbon to Vladivostok”) is cleared of human presence, all in the service of Pax Talmudica. The Ukraine and Lebanon may be first and second in line, but they most certainly won’t be the last. All the countries of geographical Europe are next.
Posted by: Matthew | Nov 28 2024 17:02 utc | 7
The war ends when Ukraine's military middle management wakes up to how and why they are being used by "the west" and either defect or refuse to fight. I am surprised it has not happened already. Are their brainwashing techniques that effective?
The NATO missile operating brigades could continue for a couple of weeks, then what? Short of massive NATO boots on the ground, it's over.
Posted by: Foot Me Twice... | Nov 28 2024 17:06 utc | 8
To the last Ukrainian, of course, this will never happen. When ladimir elensky is the last Ukrainian standing; he’ll scoot to Miami instead of getting his gun and trying to re-capture Crimea with a one-man death or glory charge.
Posted by: kerdasi amaq | Nov 28 2024 17:07 utc | 9
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 28 2024 17:09 utc | 10
Nobody in Washington, nobody in Brussels, nobody in Kiev cares about Ukraine or Ukrainians, except as a spear to point at Russia.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 28 2024 17:10 utc | 11
Ukrainian officials have for now rejected U.S. demands to lower the mobilization age:"We are now in the situation when we need more equipment to arm all the people that have already been mobilized, and we think the first priority is to send quicker, faster military aid," Heorhii Tykhyi, a spokesman for Ukraine's foreign ministry, told reporters in Kyiv.
I don't think these UKR officials understood what they signed up for.
USA is compensating lack of/expensive equipment with a meat wall of Ukrainians. US can't deliver 'equipment' so they demand more mobilization to compensate lack of weapons. After all that is what Nato paid $65 billion last Spring for, already loot divided by Z-team.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 28 2024 17:10 utc | 12
The US hates nazis, the Russians hate nazis. The current situation has helped with lowering the nazi population in Ukraine. Does anyone have accurate numbers of the percentage of nazis/neonazis in Ukraine?
Posted by: freedom fritos | Nov 28 2024 17:10 utc | 13
This is a WWII demographic decimation scenario for Ukraine, perhaps this is what the US wanted all along, since there has always been, it seems to me, this unspoken sense among Anglophone elites that Slavs are both undifferentiable and far less interesting then, e.g. Mediterraneans. Perhaps they weren't always so perceived, the very success of American brainwashing on said Slavic populations seems to have bred contempt rather than a higher level of esteem. Of course one sees something similar vis a vis US elites and 95% of their own internally thoroughly brainwashed American population, ergo Trump. The result is that both Ukrainians and Americans are perceived as entirely replaceable and undifferentiable from any other population that has been rendered as easily brainwashable and unidimensional in their attitude towards the entity known as the "Leader of the Free World."
Posted by: Ludovic | Nov 28 2024 17:11 utc | 14
Debating with Pro-Ukrainian types is easy as pie.
Ukraine's government is the worst on earth because no other government has the extinction of its population as its explicit goal (not even North Korea). Thus, "to the last Ukrainian".
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 28 2024 17:13 utc | 15
Never since Vietnam has CCR's 'Fortunate Son' been so apt and the lyrics so timelessly true.
Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 28 2024 17:15 utc | 16
The idea is to: 1) ensure that all the able-bodied Ukrainians are killed and 2) force Russia to conquer the whole territory. This way, Russia will be forced to take care of millions of elderly people and cripples, costing them massive amounts of money that could otherwise be spent on productive development.
Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Nov 28 2024 17:20 utc | 17
it is definitely more depressing the loss of lives like this, but almost as depressing is thinking of those who are pushing for this, under the guise of ''helping'' ukraine, and 'whatever it takes' and all the other constant lies being given by politicians publicly... i wish these politicians were taken out and shot for all the lies they profess..
Posted by: james | Nov 28 2024 17:21 utc | 18
The US hates nazis,Posted by: freedom fritos | Nov 28 2024 17:10 utc | 13
the us only hates nazis in their hollywood version of history.
bidens regime has removed azov and other neonazi regiments from their ban list on weaponsdeliveries. they now have no issues when neonazis use american weapons to kill slavic people.
no, the us loves nazis.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 28 2024 17:23 utc | 19
This looks like the characteristic final phase of US infestation. The diseased nation becomes progressively less capable, with a declining force count and excess elite 'enforcers', while it hovers on the verge of collapse waiting for a final catastrophic challenge. In Vietnam it was the Tet Offensive. In Cuba, revolutionaries chasing out Battista. In Afghanistan a revitalised Taliban. But in the end, US departs suddenly in its choppers, with its prepared government in exile, trailing a stream of greenbacks in the night.
If Ukraine capitulates soon, it stands a good chance to emerge as a country with some sovereignty. If it does not, it will at best be fragmented into pieces, some redeveloped by Russia, some exploited by Western multinationals for their own benefit.
Time for the Kiev regime to stop singing the Horst Wessel and start planting bombs in Zelensky's war room.
Posted by: Tom Paine | Nov 28 2024 17:23 utc | 20
Posted by: StormShadow_1488 | Nov 28 2024 17:20 utc | 18
"The pain is only beginning for pooh-tin & russian orcs...heheheh..."
Only beginning? If it's only beginning now then WTF have you been doing for 3 years? Trying to work out where the batteries go?
Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 28 2024 17:26 utc | 21
@StormShadow_1488
Halt dein dummes Maul, du kleines, dreckiges Nazi-Schwein.
Es geht nicht darum, die Ukraine zu besiegen, sondern darum, die NATO zu zerschlagen. Am Ende der SMO werden deutschland und Russland eine gemeinsame grenze haben. Polen, Litauen, Estland, Lettland und die Ukraine werden nicht mehr existieren.
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 28 2024 17:28 utc | 22
It seems they really want to finish off ukraine for whatever reasons.
Posted by: Michael J | Nov 28 2024 17:00 utc | 6
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“A Land without a People for a People without a Land”
Posted by: too scents | Nov 28 2024 17:35 utc | 23
There are not enough arms even gor current mobilised soldiers nor time to get to Ukraine by end of Biden presidency because of the delays
.....even Litvin an aid to Z says unfair of USA to lower the age to compensate because of these factors .
Lack of weaponry means higher losses..to compensate with more poor mobilisation with even less weaponry and poorer training = fast ever decreasing very nasty spirals.
For Biden to spend remainder of the funds would mean spending effectively 101 dollars every day to use up the ,6.5 billion due. Clearly impossible...let alone taking into account to huge percentages of corruption.
Posted by: Jo | Nov 28 2024 17:39 utc | 24
"Are we all mistaken about nato. It seems they really want to finish off ukraine for whatever reasons. Russia just a means to achieve that goal. Z ever ready to oblige"
No, you have it right. Much easier to use the land and settle it if it is cleaned out first.
Ask the American Indians, the buffalos too!, the Palestinians, the Australian aborigines, The Mayas and numerous other, now extinct, sub groups.
After all, where else are you going to settle the refugee Jews from Israel?
Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 28 2024 17:42 utc | 25
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 28 2024 17:23 utc | 20
I'm aware a Azov, etc., and that doesn't disprove my point. They are being expended in the process. I would like to see some trustworthy numbers for deaths in the various factions. Cheers.
Posted by: freedom fritos | Nov 28 2024 17:44 utc | 26
It seems they really want to finish off ukraine for whatever reasons.
Posted by: Michael J
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“A Land without a People for a People without a Land”
Posted by: too scents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRnOHXzOED4
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 28 2024 17:45 utc | 27
It's nice that StormShadow_1488 added the 14 to hi name. It was a good suggestion from one of the barflies the other day. See, sometimes it does help to converse with the trolls!
Go NAFO!
Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 28 2024 17:53 utc | 28
Ukraine CRUMBLES As Russia is Storming Velyka Novosilka (HistoryLegends)
Russia launched a new offensive on the Zaporizhia Front. Ukrainian fortress of Velyka Novosilka is getting encircled in a wide flanking maneuver. Thousands of Ukrainian soldiers, mainly conscripts, are trapped in a cauldron. Meanwhile, Russian storm detachments are already at the gates of Velyka Novosilka. How long can the Ukrainian garrison hold out?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBRHQPlAFVE
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 28 2024 17:59 utc | 29
Am Ende der SMO werden deutschland und Russland eine gemeinsame grenze haben. Polen, Litauen, Estland, Lettland und die Ukraine werden nicht mehr existieren.
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 28 2024 17:28 utc | 23
Glaubst Du wirklich, dass Deutschland zu den Siegern gehören wird. Jetzt haben wir erst einmal Wahlen, und dann die Höchststrafe: Merz als Kanzler. Er will richtig tief einsteigen, z.B. Taurus liefern usw. Viel schlimmer als Scholz.
Posted by: grunzt | Nov 28 2024 18:00 utc | 30
Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 28 2024 17:15 utc | 16
Indeed. remember all those videos of Putins, Lavrovs, Medvedevs etc. young relatives going off to rob, sorry, police the Ukraine. Hmm, me neither.
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Nov 28 2024 18:03 utc | 31
Young Ukrainians who are dying in the trenches are either stupid and lacking ambition and often unhealthy, or else fanatics who need to be killed sooner or later to ensure lasting peace. Most quality young men are either part of the system and thus far from the front lines (biggest component of these is maybe a million police and other security types, plus Azov and other Nazi military units who are kept away from danger), or else outside Ukraine. No big loss if the lowest 20% of the male population in terms of health and intelligence and ambition is exterminated in any country. Women shouldn't be breeding with these low quality men anyway. Higher quality men can do the impregnating of essentially unlimited women. Or the Ukrainian women can get foreign sperm donors.
Real demographic crisis is in Ukrainian women, but that is a bridge that had to be crossed regardless. WWII losses were recovered in a single generation, because women in the post-WWII era wanted children. If modern Ukrainian women don't want children, then Ukraine has a massive demographic problem with or without war.
Posted by: anonposter | Nov 28 2024 18:04 utc | 32
I read this on RT a day or so back. Yes, it is Miss Lindsey Graham; however, I have seen the same statements made by several of Trump's new appointees as well. This stuff actually has not been a secret since 2014. Getting Ukraine's rich soil for Monsanto and its potential fracking sites for Western oil companies, as well as the rare earth minerals is why the US started fucking with Ukraine 10 years ago. Note in the article that Zelensky is quite prepared to sell his own country to the US.
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Ukraine could be extremely useful to the US because it is brimming with valuable natural resources and is willing to negotiate an agreement with Washington on extraction, Senator Lindsey Graham has said.
The Republican senator from South Carolina told Fox News that the Ukraine conflict is ultimately “about money.” An extract of the interview was published on the senator’s YouTube channel on Wednesday. “You know that the richest country in all of Europe for rare earth minerals is Ukraine?” he said, estimating the worth at 2 to 7 trillion dollars.
Graham added that Ukraine is ready to “do a deal with us,” but not Russia. “So it’s in our interest to make sure that Russia doesn’t take over the place,” he said, describing Ukraine as the “breadbasket of the world.”
“We can make money and have an economic relationship with Ukraine. It would be very beneficial to us, with peace,” Graham went on to say. “Donald Trump is going to do a deal to get our money back, to enrich ourselves with rare earth minerals. A good deal for Ukraine and us.”
The president-elect, he added, will also help settle the conflict by concluding an “honorable deal” that would avoid “humiliating” Russian President Vladimir Putin and setting the stage for another conflict.
“Donald Trump knows how to end wars. All Joe Biden knows how to do is start wars,” he said.
Graham is known for his hawkish stance on aiding Ukraine and containing Moscow. In February, he was added to Russia’s list of ‘terrorists and extremists’, after the senator advocated for designating Russia as a ‘state sponsor of terrorism’. In 2023, Moscow expressed outrage over Graham’s remarks during a meeting with Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky, when he said: “The Russians are dying. The best money we’ve ever spent.”
In mid-October, Zelensky presented his ‘victory plan,’ which stated that Kiev is ready to sign with its Western backers “a special agreement on the joint protection of the available critical resources” in Ukraine.
Earlier this month, Mikhail Podoliak, a top adviser to Zelensky, also stressed that Ukraine has “deposits of rare minerals, such as lithium and titanium, which we can exploit together [with the US].”
Trump has vowed to quickly end the Ukraine conflict. Media reports have suggested that he may try to force Ukraine to drop its NATO ambitions and negotiate a freeze of the conflict. Moscow has ruled out a freeze along the current front line, insisting that all the objectives of its military operation must be achieved.
https://www.rt.com/news/608128-ukraine-can-make-america-rich/
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Posted by: teri | Nov 28 2024 18:07 utc | 33
Posted by: anonposter | Nov 28 2024 18:04 utc | 35
Ukraine took the largest demographical hit precisely in the 18 - 40 year woman category, who dispersed steadily outside Ukraine and vast majority will NEVER go back. Anyone can understand that there is no future for that state.
Thus, the SMO prophecy becomes fulfilled.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 28 2024 18:10 utc | 34
"The US hates nazis,"
The Us have literally joined hands with the Nazis! Operation paperclip had a "civilian" undisclosed side to it as well, where 100s of Nazi administrators were settled in USA, no questions asked. Dulles, again.!
What's more, the Jews and the Nazis found a common path in the US, believe it, if you can! They are running the world.
If we let them.
Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 28 2024 18:11 utc | 35
"Jetzt haben wir erst einmal Wahlen, und dann die Höchststrafe: Merz als Kanzler. Er will richtig tief einsteigen, z.B. Taurus liefern usw. Viel schlimmer als Scholz."
Posted by: grunz
Soll er seine Scheiss-Taurus liefern. Glaubst du, das ändert irgendetwas? Putin weiß, dass Deutschland ein besetztes Land ist und dass nur US-Marionetten in der Regierung sitzen.
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 28 2024 18:12 utc | 36
The age pyramid shows that Stalin and Brezhnev were the best ever leaders of Ukraine.
Note, that there are more women born during World War 2 than there are men or women in the post-independence 20 to 25 years old age group. The post-Maidan years have been even worse for Ukraine's demographics.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Nov 28 2024 18:16 utc | 37
"The Us have literally joined hands with the Nazis! Operation paperclip had a "civilian" undisclosed side to it as well, where 100s of Nazi administrators were settled in USA, no questions asked."
Posted by: g wiltek
The US also sponsored Hitler in the 1920s and gave him most of his ideas. Hitler called the book "The passing of the Great Race" by US-racist and eugenist Madison Grant his "bible". He also admired Henry Ford. The "Nuremberg laws" were inspired by American legislation: https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 28 2024 18:21 utc | 38
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 28 2024 18:21 utc | 38
Tom Lehrer - Wernher von Braun - with intro
Gehlen, too. Don't let the Japanese Unit 731 types off the hook, either.
Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 28 2024 18:25 utc | 39
@grunzt, #5
"This is just another way of ethnic cleansing. Prepares the land for resettling by immigrants, or for exploitation by the likes of Blackrock and Monsanto."
Its Blackrock and fucking Bayer, Monsanto hasn't existed as an independent company or even a name since around 2016. I know most of you Euros or wherever hate Monsanto for issuing in the GMO crop era but the company wasn't even that big of player in the U.S. ag crop seed industry until it released GMO soybeans in the 1990s.
The real culprits behind the masks are the global big chemical companies, they have been profiting from war since 1914. Current Big Chem not only now owns most of the major ag seed companies but much of pharma as well. Its about putting together molecules to do whatever to score coin.
Posted by: DakotaRog | Nov 28 2024 18:31 utc | 40
“To the last Ukrainian — and beyond!”
- Buzzsaw Lindsay, as he plans for war “with bots and other Europeans”
Posted by: I forgot | Nov 28 2024 18:31 utc | 41
Acheter les terres. Supprimer la population. Placer ce qui restera sous la protection de l'OTAN, financer la reconstruction de l'Ukraine par l'U.E. ...Et on trouve ainsi le lieu parfait pour réimplanter les populations juives d'Israël qui ne pourront plus vivre en paix suite aux ravages de leur guerre. Ah, mais si c'était le plan dès le départ !
Buy the land. Remove the population. Place what will remain under the protection of NATO, finance the reconstruction of Ukraine by the EU...And we thus find the perfect place to resettle the Jewish populations of Israel who will no longer be able to live in peace following the ravages of their war. Ah, but if that was the plan from the start!
Posted by: Cotyle | Nov 28 2024 18:35 utc | 42
Posted by: anonposter | Nov 28 2024 18:04 utc | 32
Most quality young men are either part of the system and thus far from the front lines (biggest component of these is maybe a million police and other security types, plus Azov and other Nazi military units who are kept away from danger), ...
Azov ukrops fought in Mariupol (and surely other lost places at the start).
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 28 2024 18:36 utc | 43
Over 300 civilians massacred by Ukrainians?
@Donbass Lives Matter | Nov 28 2024 17:20 utc | 17
The idea is to: 1) ensure that all the able-bodied Ukrainians are killed and 2) force Russia to conquer the whole territory. This way, Russia will be forced to take care of millions of elderly people and cripples, costing them massive amounts of money that could otherwise be spent on productive development.
Exactly!
Except Ukraine has now started executing all the babushkas waiting for the Russian liberators. Over 300 civilians are are reported to have been massacred in Selidovo and Novogrodovka. See:
Selydove massacre - A Closer Look On Syria
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Nov 28 2024 18:36 utc | 44
Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Nov 28 2024 17:20 utc | 17
It seems the kokhols did a new "Bucha" before retreating from Solidovo... so I'm more inclined to think the banderast will kill anyone "waiting for the Russians" and destroy all they can in a kind of "scorched earth" policy. The "Einsatzgruppen" are back, it was to be expected for people using "Das Reich" emblem.
Unfortunately for them , the Russians are more the kind of people doing "Stalin's trials" than the ones doing "operation paperclip".
Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 28 2024 18:38 utc | 45
Re: population living in Kiev governed territory ?
My estimates range from a high of ~15 million to a low of ~9 million.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 28 2024 18:38 utc | 46
Posted by: teri | Nov 28 2024 18:07 utc | 33
Probably the American politician is trying to advertise a business angle to this war or just want to be mean.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 28 2024 18:41 utc | 47
The US hates nazis,
Posted by: freedom fritos | Nov 28 2024 17:10 utc | 13
ROFLMAO**10
The US and the Banderas folks have been best buddies since the end of WWII
Elsewhere around the world the US loves dictators, autocrats, fashists, and all other ideologal deviations that can be used to dissolve democratic functional states.
Posted by: MAKK | Nov 28 2024 18:41 utc | 48
The USA's puppet leader and dictator in Ukraine Zelensky isn't that popular.
"Only 16% of Ukrainian voters would back Vladimir Zelensky if a long-overdue presidential election were held now, a survey has revealed.
According to the Zerkalo Nedeli news website, the poll conducted by the Sociological Association of Ukraine, published on Tuesday, was the first to gauge Ukrainians’ electoral preferences since the escalation of hostilities between Moscow and Kiev in February 2022.
The study found that Ukraine’s former top general, Valery Zaluzhny, is far more popular than Zelensky, with 27% of those surveyed saying they would vote for him. Zaluzhny, who was dismissed as head of the armed forces in February, now serves as Kiev’s ambassador to London.
Former Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko, who lost to Zelensky in the 2019 election, would receive 7% if the vote were held now, followed by military intelligence chief Kirill Budanov, on 6%, the poll said.
A further 15% of respondents said they do not know whom they would vote for, while 10% replied that they would not cast their ballots at all."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 28 2024 18:45 utc | 49
https://youtu.be/_3eWrrPtbO8?t=49
Bill Maher - Future Headlines - Last Living Ukrainian asks Congress for More Weapons
Posted by: Michael Droy | Nov 28 2024 18:45 utc | 50
Only 16% of Ukrainian voters would back Vladimir Zelensky
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 28 2024 18:45 utc | 49
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When the next Ukrainian election is held it will set a precedent for highest ever diaspora turnout.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 28 2024 18:48 utc | 51
Posted by: anonposter | Nov 28 2024 18:04 utc | 32
Congratulations! Heinrich Himmler couldn't have written a better opening paragraph.
Posted by: morongobill | Nov 28 2024 18:51 utc | 52
Well that's it, Trump has definitely been bought and sold, he named Keith Kellogg as his Russia - Ukraine envoy, an 80 year war criminal who has previously called for giving Ukraine Trillions of dollars to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. looks like on Foreign policy at least, Trump and Biden will be completely identical. This is disappointing, but not unexpected, ever since the Washington Post refused to endorse Kamala I had the grave suspicion that a deal had been struck and Trump had bent the knee to the Deep state. Looks like the deal was Trump continues all of Biden's foreign policies and in exchange he'll get a free hand on domestic & economic policy. This will ensure that Putin has no choice but to completely liberate all of the Ukraine from Western occupation, Tragically, Ukraine will probably suffer 1.5 million KIA by the time that happens, but if you agree to be cannon fodder for other people, you have no one else to blame.
Posted by: Kadath | Nov 28 2024 18:52 utc | 53
If anyone has noticed the talk out of Russia has changed, I don't mean tougher rhetoric I mean the vibe. Not ClownWorld hysteria bluster talk but pithy cold hard facts, and not from Medvedev or other Russian Bad Cops but from the Good Cops, Lavrov, Nebenzya, and the Chief of Police himself Putin.
I get the feeling the red line testing is over now, of course the Clowns will test it, it's in their nature. I know there are no nuclear worthy targets in Ukraine, I'm not sure what conventional ones there are worthy of a Oreshnik, hitting Bankova is useless and ugly, not Russia's style. Maybe there's some secret bunker in Lvov the Killer Clowns have all piled into. Plenty outside Ukraine however, would be hard to choose or pick just one, hopefully very far from me:
The Russian leader said that the Russian Army has one path - to Victory, and explained why:"Our guys are fighting for the Motherland, for the future of Russia and their children, and therefore no supplies of even the most modern weapons to Ukrainian territory will change the situation on the battlefield."
Western weapons will not change the situation. They will only change the number of lives that Russians will have to give for Victory. That is why the West's participation in this war must be interrupted in the most brutal way. But do I have to explain this?
Decision-making centers in Kiev may become a target for the Oreshnik missile, - Putin.
▪️Russia has several missiles of this system ready for use.
▪️Russia launched 100 missiles at Ukraine in two days in response to strikes deep into Russia.In the event of a massive use of the Oreshnik, the force of the strike will be comparable to nuclear weapons , – Putin.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 28 2024 18:56 utc | 54
Trump had bent the knee to the Deep state.
Posted by: Kadath | Nov 28 2024 18:52 utc | 53
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LOL. Pull the other one.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 28 2024 18:56 utc | 55
Perhaps what we’re seeing now is a burnt earth strategy from the sore losers in HATO.
If we can’t have Ukraine then nobody will!
It must be destroyed so that the world sees what happens when the rules based order crowd can’t have something.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 28 2024 19:00 utc | 56
modern Ukrainian women don't want children, then Ukraine has a massive demographic problem with or without war.
Posted by: anonposter | Nov 28 2024 18:04 utc | 32
Yes, but in Russia is almost the same, and in Eastern Europe in general.
The women there dream about becoming something better then ordinary mothers. They would love to become like Kardashian girls. They dream about Paris
Posted by: salmon | Nov 28 2024 19:02 utc | 57
Patrokolos @16
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, no
But when the taxman come to the door
Lord, the house lookin' like a rummage sale, yeah
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no millionaire's son, no, no
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one, no
Yeah, some folks inherit star-spangled eyes
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord
And when you ask 'em, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer, "More, more, more, more"
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no military son, son, Lord
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one, one
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one, no, no, no
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate son, no, no, no
It ain't me, it ain't me
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 28 2024 19:06 utc | 58
Perhaps what we’re seeing now is a burnt earth strategy from the sore losers in HATO.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 28 2024 19:00 utc | 56
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It is not that NATO are sore losers. It is because Western thought is vacuously banal.
F.Scott Fitzgerald summed it up thusly
They were careless people, Tom and Daisy—they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 28 2024 19:07 utc | 59
The Russian General Staff Prepares Retaliation Friday Night, Saturday Morning
"Gorilla radio reviews the coming Russian message for the Trump warfighters."
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 28 2024 19:13 utc | 60
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Nov 28 2024 18:36 utc | 44
Thanks for the link, Sounds like the French trained under IDF
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Posted by: ld | Nov 28 2024 19:18 utc | 62
Sometimes I think that from the very beginning, maybe even from 1945, the Americans always knew that they could never separate Ukraine from Russia and that together they represented immense power opposed to the US Empire. So to weaken Russia you don’t need to get Ukraine on your side if you can destroy it in order to deny Russia the benefits of alliance with Ukraine. Even better if you get the Russians to do the destroying.
Posted by: John G | Nov 28 2024 19:23 utc | 63
Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 28 2024 18:25 utc | 39
Wonderful, as always. On the same topic: It takes a wee bit longer to read "Gravity's Rainbow" but I definitely recommend to do so.
Posted by: Cherrycoke | Nov 28 2024 19:24 utc | 64
Breaking: Ukrainian recruiters are now visiting neonatal wards for potential recruits.
Nov. 27, 2024
Sneaking out at night to wrangle groceries in Kiev is a lot more challenging these days says 19 year-old Slavic Ivanenko. "I have been extra hungry as of late. I don't want to leave my flat even though I am out of traditional Ukrainian food and ramen. But I am afraid I will be spotted by the recruiters. My friend, Petro, was able to dress up in his Grandma's clothes, because she was enlisted last week, and was able to sneak out for some baklava. But I don't have a Grandma anymore because she was killed in the Battle of Bakhmut last year. My father took her clothes and escaped the country." He groans, "I am very hungry. Luckily I have Minecraft which takes my mind off of the war."
The situation for the Ukrainian Army is difficult. The washing machines the Russians are heaving at the Ukrainians are becoming more difficult to avoid. A platoon commander of the Ukrainian army says, "The Russians are now launching washing machines in trebuchets that are still plugged in. The extension cord technology is increasing dramatically and, as a result, when the washing machines land, they are still on spin cycle." He pauses and kicks the dirt. "Those fascist pigs. Clothes came spilling out of one that landed. Men's underwear landed on a brand new recruit's face, smothering him in lavendar-scent. They didn't even use fabric softener in the load."
If things are bad on the battlefield, for the recruiters, it is even tougher. They are being mocked and spat at but they maintain the noble cause of their mission. Pavlo, a recruiting captain: "In order to keep Uncle Sambo's gravy train at our station, we must keep feeding the front lines. Children, dementia-addled retirees, mercenaries from Timbukto, Eskimos, pygmies from New Guinea: they are paying the price for our freedom. We must keep doing our job behind the line."
There really is no price that the Ukrainians are not willing to pay. Pavlo explains that last week, they visited a neonatal ward, the last one standing in Ukraine (all the others and all animal hospitals have been leveled by hyper-sonic washing machines), and counted the potential recruits.
"This one has a cone-head. Give her another day and then size her up for uniform," Pavlo told her mother, Natalya, who wept with proud tears of submission. Pavlo visited the preemie ward, as well, eyeing the potential recruits.
"We are strong. Ukraine's future is bright. We are not afraid of Herr Putler and his cowardly, faggot-army. We will continue to push towards Moscow and will taste victory."
As Pavlo walked away from the interview, a bus load of recruits passed us on an old city bus, the reverse-facing child seats neatly stacked on top of each other. The breath of all the recruits fogged up the window. I heard no cries of worry. Onward, brave soldiers.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 28 2024 19:27 utc | 65
Maybe a bit higher than 20 million, but the big question as I mentioned in the last thread
He can find, maybe, 400.000 boys, where are the 4.000.000 men z had?
Maybe some hundreds of thousands escaped, maybe other hundreds of thousands are "protected", maybe some hundreds of thousands still holding the line. Let's say 300.000-400.000 in each group? Where the hell are the other 3 millions?
I also used the phrase "to the last ukranian man", but always thought in regular war mode, say 16% of all men killed, other 16% maimed. Here we're talking about double that, something unheard of and when we discount the unfit for service we're talking about no adult man whole in a country...
Unspeakable.
"I for one would rather he was not taken down before explaining why he so desperately needs less than 400.000 boys , and where he misplaced most of the 4.000.000 men…
Why waste a missile on him when he’ll be hung and gutted if he’s lucky?
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-war-biden-draft-08e3bad195585b7c3d9662819cc5618f
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 28 2024 16:19 utc | 458 "
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 28 2024 19:28 utc | 66
Kadath @ 53
Well that's it, Trump has definitely been bought and sold, he named Keith Kellogg as his Russia
Think about it Trump's too rich to be "bought and sold" he was a rogue elephant in the china shop last time, this time he was the vetted fully approved mainstream candidate of the GOP, don't let the residual MAGA "drain The Swamp" nonsense fool you, The Swamp is The State, Trump would be flushing himself down the drain along with the rest of the vile snakes and rats. There will be vendettas but they will be personal ones, for himself, Tulsi and RFKjr, that was the deal with the GOP, but no shaking up the system, otherwise the bullets wouldn't have missed, twice.
Trump's the new Face of the escalation, avuncular had turned in stinky old man which was killing the franchise, new star jumped the shark but the show was cancelled, Trump is the brand new spin off needed to sell the final escalation into WW3, MAGA takes the working class to war, the neocons still can't believe Trump delivered to them a captive audience, they are already stocking up on yellow ribbons by the millions.
Four years Trump will be gone and forgotten like Hindenburg. Art Of The Deal Con. Zelensky was off-Broadway, Trump is the multi-million Broadway spectacular. The world wide blockbuster movie starring hot young star JD Vance expected for 2028.
Hope I'm wrong, bet I'm not.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 28 2024 19:29 utc | 67
It's been obvious from the start of the SMO that Ukraine did not have a chance against Russia without direct military action from their Western allies.
The evil of the "best money we've ever spent" is eclipsed only by the stupidity of the Ukrainian people. Depopulation of Ukraine as part of the overall plan now seems clear as day...weaken Russia, kill as many Ukrainians as possible, enrich the military industrial complex by getting rid of old armaments that must now be replaced, and secure properties to be rebuilt as a new homeland for Israelis seeking shelter from the constant wars.
Zelinsky has said that he would like to see Ukraine reborn as a Jewish state. All he has to do now is make peace with Russia by giving them what they wish. A rebuilt rump Ukraine ruled by jews might not be Russia's favorite outcome, but they might find it easier to deal with than a rebuilt Ukraine in the EU and NATO.
It may seem like chaos, but both sides have a plan. Ukraine marching on Moscow was never a possibility, but they threw billions at it as if. Nothing really explains why unless the real goal was to break down Ukraine for future purposes.
Posted by: A rope leash | Nov 28 2024 19:31 utc | 68
too scents @ 59
They were careless people, Tom and Daisy—they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.
Hell of a timely quote, it had disappeared into the attic of my mind. Thanks for pulling it out.
In the past when there were real power brokers as leaders there were some tough mofos who had come up from the ghetto street or factory floor, on the left and right, corrupt and honest, but grounded in reality, aware of consequence. Now every which way you turn it's only Toms and Daisies, mindless toffs running every part of our lives.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 28 2024 19:38 utc | 69
It's too late for Ukraine. But it's not too late yet for Taiwan and Philippines.
Posted by: Passerby | Nov 28 2024 19:43 utc | 70
@ 65 The situation for the Ukrainian Army is difficult. The washing machines the Russians are heaving at the Ukrainians are becoming more difficult to avoid. A platoon commander of the Ukrainian army says, "The Russians are now launching washing machines in trebuchets that are still plugged in. The extension cord technology is increasing dramatically and, as a result, when the washing machines land, they are still on spin cycle." He pauses and kicks the dirt. "Those fascist pigs. Clothes came spilling out of one that landed. Men's underwear landed on a brand new recruit's face, smothering him in lavendar-scent. They didn't even use fabric softener in the load."
Return to Sender :)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11340285/Putins-men-spotted-stealing-WASHING-MACHINE-Ukrainian-home.html
Posted by: golddigger | Nov 28 2024 19:44 utc | 71
Posted by: A rope leash | Nov 28 2024 19:31 utc | 68
A rebuilt Ukraine by EU and NATO.
You're joking, EU has no money to rebuild Ukraine and what it has will be sucked by corruption both sides.
Posted by: Mario | Nov 28 2024 19:46 utc | 72
@Eighthman, #15:
Ukraine's government is the worst on earth because no other government has the extinction of its population as its explicit goal (not even North Korea).
Not even North Korea??? Looks to me like you've been brainwashed by the western MSM pretty damned good :-)
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 28 2024 19:55 utc | 73
Foot Me Twice @1706
Far superior for those mid rank officers would be neither defection or refuseniks. Properly, they should take down their "superior" orficers and their goon guards...then spread the word...then march on Kiev...the latter escorted by the R.U. air wings. In order to save some elements of the male breeding population and thusly some future NovoUkrainia in Ukraine dialect oblasts; those who have finally come to their senses would obviously need to take down the entire Maidanite coup infrastructure.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 19:55 utc | 74
LightYearsFromHome @67,
Yup I agree, more proof the US political elites have learned nothing from the prior 8 years. This means that institutional reform is now impossible. The only way for things to get better are for a full system collapse (a la Soviet Union 1991), triggered by a crushing defeat in the Ukraine. Going to be a bad 8-16 years
Posted by: Kadath | Nov 28 2024 19:57 utc | 75
Gore warning!
@ld | Nov 28 2024 19:18 utc | 62
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You may need to be logged in to X to see shadow banned posts. I have no difficulties seeing the videos.
SIMPLICIUS Ѱ @simpatico771 on X, November 24, 2024 (video)⚡️🇺🇦‼️🚨"Scary footage from Selidovo, where the bodies of almost 100 shot civilians were found, killed by soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the retreat. As an example, the place of execution of three people at the address Kuchurinskaya 89."
https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1860603063267959228
Lord Bebo @MyLordBebo on X, November 28, 2024 (4 videos)
The residents of Selidovo who stayed in the city to wait for the Russian soldiers were simply shot point-blank by Ukranians.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Nov 28 2024 20:10 utc | 76
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 28 2024 18:36 utc | 43
>Azov ukrops fought in Mariupol (and surely other lost places at the start).
Yes, but after suffering those early losses and observing that this is a brutal war of attrition, Azov started disobeying orders that put them in danger. Unlike ordinary soldiers, SBU doesn't go after Azov for disobeying orders nor does Zelensky criticize them. Azov rejects negotiations, are unwilling to fight on the front lines and are a major part of the corruption racket, thus profiting from war and trying to prolong it. It is ultimately up to the other Ukrainian soldiers to revolt and go after Azov for interfering with negotiations, at which point Azov will fight like tigers.
My guess is that Azov and the other Nazis will eventually retreat into Galicia (like in 2026 or 2027), then it will take several more years for Russia and Poland and Romania working together to exterminate the last remnants.
Posted by: anonposter | Nov 28 2024 20:14 utc | 77
@ Petri Krohn | Nov 28 2024 20:10 utc | 76
says the x posts in your link don't exist.. thanks for trying..
on a related note - nima/alex krainer interview that suzan shared on the week in review thread.. it's from today - 49 minutes..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHicfFPdcnU
Posted by: james | Nov 28 2024 20:17 utc | 78
I think Black Mountain Analysis has this one exactly right: the majority of Ukrainians are Russians. So of course the Empire has them scheduled for extinction. From what I understand of Bandera ideology, its adherents are cool with purifying the race and getting rid of naysayers. So odds are the plan will succeed. If Russia wants something better, then it's up to them to change the current dynamic.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Nov 28 2024 20:22 utc | 79
Dakota Rog@1831
NAME the bass-turd perps of Big Chem. It's the DuPont Crime Clan, holders of Delaware as their private fiefdom, being the biggest employers and even owning the $enile One, currently transmuting the White House into the Tainted House, what with his Depends and all that...to say nothing of his Talmudist handlers along with those probably Black serfs who attend to his Depends and provide ice cones, while introducing him to 9 Y.O. girls whom he can sniff to his dark hearted delight.
The DuPonts got their start after migrating from France in the times when the aristocraps were losing their heads as a result of their embedded privileges. They were a major gunpowder producer for the Feds in the War of 1812 and in every succeeding conflict including the massacres of native peoples. In WWI they went bigtime and were gifted by the govmint with massive chemical warfare factories.
Their fortunes had become so huge that very shortly after than horrific conflict which the U$ got snookered into by Cabalists in the House and $enate, along with the J.P. Morgan blackmailed Woodrow Wilson...the DuPont crime clan was one of the primaries in amalgamating General Motors, in which they have long been the most significant shareholders.
Another criminal production by the DuPont was the development of hybrid corn, "Pioneer Hybrids" as they chose to call them. That development eventuated in the destruction of dozens of open pollenated varietals and thus ultimately resulting in monopolistic control over corn production. To go with that control corn; their chemical plants went balls to the walls in developing pesticides; weed killers and all imaginable longevity reducers besides.
In 1937, when Henry Ford built the entire body of his V-8 prototype model entirely out of hemp fibers; the DuPont got their Mellon crime clan to supply them with Harry Anslinger, who engineered the criminalization of hemp along with cannabis in order to destroy the rayon competitor of their nylon, developed by them in collusion with the ruling crime clans, the Rottenfellers, to get their petroleum based product.
All those ruling crime clans, who, by the way, created the United States of America CORPORATION in 1938 under the guess where...Delaware Corporate statutes. Those in on the know, are all about abolishing directly the Constitution and totally destroying the Bill of Rights, in order to fully embed their RULES BASED ORDER right across the fruited plain.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 20:26 utc | 80
"....to the last Ukrainian!" was a slogan uttered at the beginning of SMO in jest and exaggeration. But it sadly seems to be the actual motto in the minds of the Empire/5-eyes/NATO leadership. By Empire/5-eyes/NATO leadership I meant the thousands of people at leadership roles in the west: politicians, generals, media high echelons, think-tank grunts, weaponry merchants, etc. etc.
Russia won't be able to stop this war unless they willingly surrender. Even if they conspicuously win battles, artillery exchanges, economical warfare, or even propaganda warfare, this war continues as long as the western leadership persists. The only way for the war to stop is mass protests against this war in western countries, and in unison. It's not going to happen yet for a while, because the psychology of the western population isn't there.
Russian are not going to urge their government to surrender either. For them, it's existential. Similarly, Chinese people are not going to demand their government to surrender in the economic war raging against them. It's their aspiration after the century of humiliation. So, this struggle against the west's campaign on upholding their hegemony will persist until the west is thoroughly beaten. Beaten it will be.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 28 2024 20:28 utc | 81
The Great Ukrainian PR Scam
https://en.rtdoc.tv/films/1443-the-great-ukrainian-pr-scam
"More than 150 PR agencies from the US and Europe are shaping Ukraine's media image...Who will win the bloodiest information war in history?"
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 28 2024 20:30 utc | 82
@ Oriental Voice | Nov 28 2024 20:28 utc | 81
unless something radical and completely unexpected happens - i share your viewpoint. thanks..
we do see people in europe increasingly voting against war.. that is slightly encouraging..
Posted by: james | Nov 28 2024 20:30 utc | 83
More repetition of Miss Lindsey Nonsense.
If the U.S. wanted cheap resources there are plenty of places on this planet to get them cheaper than the cost of the War in Ukraine.
Why would the American People need more farmland? The U.S. already has food surpluses. Unless the plan is for Blackrock/Monsanto to buy Ukraine farmland to destroy it and jack up prices.
Posted by: kupkee | Nov 28 2024 20:31 utc | 84
Ukraine is losing its children. Demographers are sounding the alarm because of the mass departure of schoolchildren abroadExperts began to talk about the second wave of emigration of Ukrainians to European countries. Now we are talking about traveling abroad for high school students, who go there not by themselves, but mainly with their parents. RegioNews found out what this threatens Ukraine in the future, given whether our country will have enough labor to restore the state after the end of the war.
Director of the distance school Vladimir Strashko published his observations on the mass departure of schoolchildren to other countries. According to him, over the past few months, he has been receiving an abnormal number of applications for completing Ukrainian schools remotely, saying that students are leaving Ukraine. Uladzimir Strashka also says that there are more and more students in the 11th grade who will not write the National Multi-Subject Test (replacing the EIT during martial law). In other words, this means that all these children do not plan to enter Ukrainian universities. Moreover, according to the director of the distance school, in some classes of Ukrainian schools, about 90% already refuse NMT.
What makes you want to leave Ukraine
Leading researcher at the Institute of Demography and Quality of Life Problems of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine Lydia Tkachenko in a comment to RegioNews noted that parents decide to take their children out due to the terrible forecasts of some experts that there will be no heating or light in Ukraine.
"Therefore, parents, if they have the opportunity, try to take their children abroad, so that they, as they say, have a normal childhood at least for the period of this winter. In addition to everyday issues, there are also quite a lot of statements that almost children should already fight in the future. The general information tone greatly influences the decisions of parents, " says Lydia Tkachenko.
At the same time, in a comment to RegioNews, Boris Krimer, a senior researcher at the Institute of Demography and Social Research, said that today it is actually very difficult to say how many people are leaving. They say that information from different sources is very different: the data from the European Union may be the same, and the data provided by the UN is also different, and from the Ukrainian border guards are completely different.
"In general, Ukrainians who take older children abroad consider it more profitable in the future, justified than staying in Ukraine. This may be related to the issue of safety, as well as forecasts for the coming winter, " says Boris Krimer.
Will emigrants return
In general, if we take into account the mass departure of women with children after February 24, 2022, then the current outflow of Ukrainian schoolchildren abroad can already be safely called the second wave of emigration of Ukrainians. Of course, the Ukrainian state hopes that all Ukrainians will return home sooner or later, but whether this will happen en masse is a big question.
Boris Krimer, a senior researcher at the Institute of Demography and Social Research, says that whenever there is a migration flow, some people still come back.
"It all depends on how long the migration of the population will be and how much Ukrainians will take root abroad. If the fighting ends in Ukraine and it becomes safe, economic development begins, then at least some of the emigrants can be expected to return. I hope that Ukraine will still join the European Union and then it will be so that we will have one free space for the movement of people, " says Creamer.
In turn, Lidia Tkachenko, a leading researcher at the Institute of Demography and Quality of Life Problems of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, notes that if there are many jobs in Ukraine with normal pay and working conditions, then of course Ukrainians who have left abroad will have more incentives to return to Ukraine.
"But many Ukrainians abroad now choose not even large fortunes and opportunities, but simply the opportunity to live in peace without explosions of all sorts and the like. For many, the sense of security may even outweigh the opportunity to get a position in Ukraine or a lot of money, " says Lydia Tkachenko.
There is also a lot of discussion about how long it takes for Ukrainians to take root in the same Europe, after which they will not return to Ukraine. According to Borys Krimer, on the one hand, this is very individual, because even a year is enough for someone to take root, but of course, the longer a person stays abroad, the less desire they have to return to Ukraine later.
"For example, in the first year of a full-scale war, we estimated that 50% of those who went abroad would remain there, and 50% would still return. Then we focused on a variety of surveys. Today, the share of those who will not return is more than 50%, but this is again a situational thought. If, for example, the economic situation in the country where a particular Ukrainian is located worsens, he will be ready to return home. But the vector is really such that the longer people live in another country, the more they will have new connections, the more children will get used to kindergarten or school. As a result, they are less likely to return to Ukraine, " Borys Krimer sums up.
What can be the consequences of population outflow
Experts say that in any case, the consequences of the war for Ukraine will be terrible, because in some places the impact of military operations in countries can last even 50 years after their completion.
According to Lydia Tkachenko, it is now very difficult to make any demographic forecasts for Ukraine.
"Previously, everything was calculated based on the birth rate and mortality, and migration did not significantly affect this. For example, since the beginning of the zero years, the migration growth was already small, but with the beginning of a full — scale war, migration flows, of course, have increased very much," the expert says.
She confirms that there will still be a large percentage of those Ukrainians who do not want to return to Ukraine, and there may also be such a problem that as soon as the borders are opened, many men may still leave, not only those who already have a wife and children abroad, but also men who have survived the war. war is very stressful. Lydia Tkachenko emphasizes that this will be the loss of the young population, which can still work for the development of Ukraine for a long time. That is, the state will gradually lose the necessary amount of labor, and there will be no one to replace it. Relatively speaking, today high school students in 5-7 years should replace in the labor market those Ukrainians who are now of pre-retirement age. If students continue to leave the country en masse and do not return, then those who retire will have no one to replace them in the labor market.
As a result, Ukraine risks facing another problem — there will be fewer working citizens than the same pensioners. For example, even before the full-scale war in Ukraine, there was about one working citizen per pensioner. That is, in fact, we can say that one employee withheld one pensioner at the expense of his taxes. Lydia Tkachenko says that while this ratio still remains, if Ukrainians continue to go abroad en masse, in particular, high school students who will later be able to work, the situation will worsen. If this trend continues, then sooner or later, relatively speaking, there will already be two or three pensioners per person working in Ukraine. But according to experts, no pension system can withstand such a load, and therefore we will have to resort to drastic measures. For example, raise the retirement age.
https://regionews.ua/ukr/articles/1730982278-ukrayina-vtrachae-ditey-demografi-b-yut-trivogu-cherez-masoviy-viyizd-shkolyariv-za-kordon (via translation add-on.)
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 28 2024 20:32 utc | 85
Are we all mistaken about nato. It seems they really want to finish off ukraine for whatever reasons.Russia just a means to achieve that goal. Z ever ready to oblige
Posted by: Michael J | Nov 28 2024 17:00 utc | 6
My point:
Are we all mistaken about nato. It seems they really want to finish off ukraine for whatever reasons.Z just a means to achieve that goal. Russia ever ready to oblige
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 28 2024 20:37 utc | 86
Depopulation of Ukraine as part of the overall plan now seems clear as day (...) and secure properties to be rebuilt as a new homeland for Israelis (...) Zelinsky has said that he would like to see Ukraine reborn as a Jewish state.
Posted by: A rope leash | Nov 28 2024 19:31 utc | 68
For a German like myself, the above ideas must seem like blasphemy. But the longer that senseless killing in Ukraine is lasting, and now being extended to ages 18 to 24, the more it looks to me that there is a plan behind it, the "overall plan" stated in the first sentence of my quote. I just can't stop thinking about it, it appears convincingly plausible. See for yourself:
(1) Is Zelensky helping actively to eliminate Ukraine's male population? Yes, he is.
(2) Is he Jewish? Yes, Sir.
(3) Could it be that Israelis are hungry for more land? Oh yes, this hunger is the reason, after all, why we're having a genocidal war in Palestine. They are overpopulating their small country even if you do not count all the (former) Gaza population.
(4) Is the Ukrainian land attractive for Israelis? You bet it is: the most fertile soil on the planet, plenty of minerals, and adjacent to the Black Sea.
Posted by: grunzt | Nov 28 2024 20:54 utc | 88
erreur tragique des judéo-kiéveins... les russes ne sont pas des Palestiniens
tout comme ils n'ont jamais été des peaux rouges!
Posted by: limousin87 | Nov 28 2024 20:59 utc | 89
Dima said one stupid thing today.
That US AA can bring any Russian long range ICBM down and that is the reason for deployment of Satan II.
Posted by: salmon | Nov 28 2024 21:09 utc | 90
The only way for the war to stop is mass protests against this war in western countries, and in unison. It's not going to happen yet for a while, because the psychology of the western population isn't there.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 28 2024 20:28 utc | 81
What do you mean by "psychology of the western population".
Posted by: salmon | Nov 28 2024 21:13 utc | 91
I didn’t read any of the comments posted above.
All I have is a warning to ALL Slavic peoples: Munich, September 1938
Know how to differentiate between annoying cousins and enemies.
That is all.
Posted by: OldFart | Nov 28 2024 21:14 utc | 92
US Imperialism: depopulating poor countries since WW2! Palestine, Ukraine are just the appetizer.
Don't let this happen to your country. Reject any local politician under Imperialist influence.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 28 2024 21:20 utc | 93
"Is the Ukrainian land attractive for Israelis? You bet it is: the most fertile soil on the planet, plenty of minerals, and adjacent to the Black Sea."
Posted by: grunzt
Es gibt einen weiteren Grund, warum die Ukraine für Juden attraktiv ist:
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 28 2024 21:20 utc | 94
In mid-October, Zelensky presented his ‘victory plan,’ which stated that Kiev is ready to sign with its Western backers “a special agreement on the joint protection of the available critical resources” in Ukraine.
Earlier this month, Mikhail Podoliak, a top adviser to Zelensky, also stressed that Ukraine has “deposits of rare minerals, such as lithium and titanium, which we can exploit together [with the US].”
Trump has vowed to quickly end the Ukraine conflict. Media reports have suggested that he may try to force Ukraine to drop its NATO ambitions and negotiate a freeze of the conflict. Moscow has ruled out a freeze along the current front line, insisting that its military operation's objectives must be achieved.
https://www.rt.com/news/608128-ukraine-can-make-america-rich
Posted by: teri | Nov 28 2024 18:07 utc | 33
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I wonder if it ever occurred to Lady Lindsey or Zelensky that they could sell a nation's natural resources. This would require first being elected again and then gaining the approval of a legitimately elected parliament. Of course, a dictator can do as they wish, but the world will probably not support their plans when Ukrainian citizens appeal to the world courts, even though they appear to be worthless. It would require a vicious and well-publicized legal struggle. Should they succeed in the courts, the reputation of the US/EU and the courts will go from horrible to completely grotesque, like Lady Lindsey already is.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 28 2024 21:27 utc | 95
As one of the folks often cheering for Russia to bomb NATO bases everywhere, I realize that might not be the best thing to do, but I continue to cheerlead for it anyway, as Russia is unlikely to act based on that, and will continue to err on the side of caution, which I believe is ultimately the best thing.
I also believe that in so doing, strategically, Russia is using a variant of the (tactical) Mongol defense, where they cede the line, and the attacker ends up putting himself in a cauldron. By letting the attacker exhaust and attrit himself in that way, Russia also wins politically worldwide, by OBVIOUSLY acting cautiously, and showing the West to be bonkers, and also domestically, so that the People are on board when Russia finally decides to retaliate.
The Kursk trap is an obvious example. By NOT focusing on a « show of strength », Russia is on the Defense, which - when in doubt - is the more moral position, particularly in the eyes of the RoW. While making a show of strength, they’re exhausting themselves against Russia’s Rope-a-dope strategy. Additionally, this makes NATO’s escalation to nuclear more obviously objectionable. So as NATO weakens itself, Russia strengthens, and improves its position.
Posted by: Featherless | Nov 28 2024 21:29 utc | 96
@90
"Dima said one stupid thing today.
That US AA can bring any Russian long range ICBM down and that is the reason for deployment of Satan II."
Oh yes Us AA works so well that Israel mothballed all their Patriot Nissile Systems in the middle of a war.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/airdefence-challenges-israel-retire-patriot
Russia deployed the RS 28 Sarmat because it is unstopable and it has a 10 long tonne payload.
Depending on what it was loaded with. 1 Sarmat could destroy every major city and military base in France.
Dima is stupid.
Posted by: golddigger | Nov 28 2024 21:37 utc | 97
US / Israel / WEF cabal and the faceless demonic investment groups' (such as Blackrock) campaign of ETHNIC CLEANSING / GENOCIDE for complete domination and all the money, is about to meet a real nemisis; an 'orrible cunt (although Russia is not horrible to non-demons).
Yes, It stops with Russia. The Chinese don't quite have the balls. They are goal-hanging waiting for glory without sacrifice. A manor shout out to North Koreans for having true courage and willingness to back a bro all the way.
NATO hasn't heeded the warning to stop their murderous bullying and ethnic cleansing, so Russia is about to unleash a major can of whup ass on the offenders as a very serious message to f'ck off or die. Its going to hurt. (THEY). CANNOT. DEFEAT. RUSSIA. But Russia CAN and WILL defeat (THEM). Solution? NATO withdraw completely from the Russian sphere, return all it has stolen, and stop medfling in Russia's affairs.
Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Nov 28 2024 21:43 utc | 98
It is astonishing that the "friends of Ukraine", of all people, are calling for the country to completely burn out its population. And then (if you take a closer look at the "friends of Ukraine") not.
Posted by: xblob | Nov 28 2024 21:43 utc | 99
Not even North Korea??? Looks to me like you've been brainwashed by the Western MSM pretty damned good :-)
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 28 2024 19:55 utc | 73
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What do Westerners know about NK that they didn't get from the lying Western MSM? The same is true for Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Iran, Palestine, Libia, Syria, and many other nations that refuse to kiss the US ass.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 28 2024 21:52 utc | 100
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