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The MoA Week In Review – OT 2024-275
Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:
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Other issues:
China:
Russia:
> An unbiased assessment of Russia’s economic capabilities presented in the report excludes almost any chances of a serious crisis caused by internal factors in at least three-to-five-years perspective. <
Lebanon/Syria:
Tech:
> “[Musk's] problem is overpromising. I talked to him,” [the founder and chairman of CATL, Robin Zeng, told Reuters]. “Maybe something needs five years. But he says two years. I definitely asked him why. He told me he wanted to push people.” <
Use as open (not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine) thread …
@ Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 19 2024 1:55 utc | 114
Thanks for that – it is reminiscent of Russias pre SMO declarations to natzo.
‘Let’s agree on this or let’s get to war as you want. But it will be not as you expect!’
The Collective Wasters ZioFascist Owners are trying to hold on at the G20 while they slip on the BRICS Road.
Some of the pettiness on show there is childish beyond a joke. Not partaking in the photos. surkyirStarmztrooper talking tough – like he is putting down a Boxer Rebellion.
Pathetic.
Arnaud Bertrand has summarised the speech which I agree is a clear agenda for the incoming potus to fulfill the noises he’d made in the first term. I’ll post it in full for posterity here.
‘Arnaud Bertrand
@RnaudBertrand
Nov 17
Wow, looks like Xi was extremely straightforward during his meeting with Biden, probably the most he’s ever officially been in a meeting with a US president.
According to the Chinese readout (guancha.cn/internation/2024_…) here’s what he told Biden were the 7 “lessons of the past 4 years that need to be remembered”:
1) “There must be correct strategic understanding. The ‘Thucydides Trap’ is not historical destiny, a ‘new Cold War’ cannot and should not be fought, containment of China is unwise, undesirable, and will not succeed.”
2) “Words must be trustworthy and actions must be fruitful. A person cannot stand without credibility. China always follows through on its words, but if the U.S. side always says one thing and does another, it is very detrimental to America’s image and damages mutual trust.”
3) “Treat each other as equals. In exchanges between two major countries like China and the United States, neither side can reshape the other according to their own wishes, nor can they suppress the other based on so-called ‘position of strength,’ let alone deprive the other of legitimate development rights to maintain their own leading position.”
4) “Red lines and bottom lines cannot be challenged. As two major countries, China and the United States inevitably have some contradictions and differences, but they cannot harm each other’s core interests, let alone engage in conflict and confrontation. The One China principle and the three China-US joint communiqués are the political foundation of bilateral relations and must be strictly observed. Taiwan issue, democracy and human rights, development path, and development rights are China’s four red lines, which cannot be challenged. [Note: Bold text in the original] These are the most important guardrails and safety nets for China-US relations.”
5) “There should be more dialogue and cooperation. Under current circumstances, the common interests between China and the United States have not decreased but increased. Whether in areas of economy and trade, agriculture, drug control, law enforcement, public health, or in facing global challenges such as climate change and artificial intelligence, as well as international hotspot issues, China-US cooperation is needed. Both sides should extend the list of cooperation, make the cooperation cake bigger, and achieve win-win cooperation.”
6) “Respond to people’s expectations. The development of China-US relations should always focus on the wellbeing of both peoples and gather the strength of both peoples. Both sides should build bridges for personnel exchanges and cultural communication, and also remove interference and obstacles, not artificially create a ‘chilling effect.'”
7) “Demonstrate great power responsibility. China and the United States should always consider the future and destiny of humanity, take responsibility for world peace, provide public goods for the world, and play a positive role in world unity, including engaging in positive interaction, avoiding mutual consumption, and not coercing other countries to take sides.”
Funnily, all this is summarized in the official US readout (china.usembassy-china.org.cn…) with this short sentence: “The two leaders reviewed the bilateral relationship over the past four years”. Talk about an understatement 😅
The language compared to the readout of the last Xi-Biden meeting in San Francisco one year ago is noticeably more forthright, especially on the U.S.’s lack of trustworthiness (“if the U.S. side always says one thing and does another…”). Looks like he’s getting very frustrated with U.S. duplicity…
The 4 red lines he enumerates are also new (not new individually as they’ve each been mentioned before, but packaging them together as “four red lines” and explicitly labeling them as such in a president-level diplomatic readout is new):
1) Taiwan issue
2) Democracy and human rights
3) Development path/system
4) Development rights
The Taiwan issue is obviously not new as a red line but it’s interesting that in the readout Xi explicitly calls on the U.S. to “recognize the ‘Taiwan independence’ nature of Lai Ching-te and the DPP authorities if the U.S. side wants to maintain peace across the Taiwan Strait”, and to “clearly oppose ‘Taiwan independence'”.
The US has always opposed Taiwan independence in words (if you read the US State Department’s page on “U.S. Relations With Taiwan”, it’s written “we do not support Taiwan independence”: state.gov/u-s-relations-with…) but, as per Xi’s point on “the U.S. side always saying one thing and doing another”, the U.S. has been very supporting of Lai Ching-te and the DPP authorities even though they’re explicitly a pro-independence party…
With the red lines on “Democracy and human rights” and “Development path/system”, it looks like China is effectively telling the U.S. it will not humor them anymore in discussions about its internal system and so-called “human rights”, and that it will consider any U.S. initiative aimed at interfering with China’s internal affairs or otherwise shape China as hostile actions on the same level as Taiwan. This is also clear with Xi telling Biden that “neither side can reshape the other according to their own wishes”.
On development rights Xi states that “the Chinese people’s right to development cannot be deprived or ignored” and criticizes how “while all countries have national security needs, the concept shouldn’t be overgeneralized or used as an excuse for malicious restrictions and suppression”. He also said that “great power competition should not be the theme of the era; unity and cooperation are needed to overcome difficulties together. ‘Decoupling and breaking chains” is not the solution; mutually beneficial cooperation is the path to common development. ‘Small yards with high fences’ is not befitting of great powers.”
In other words, he’s telling Biden that he believes the U.S. is attempting to curtail China’s development in the guise of national security, but that this is “an excuse for malicious restrictions and suppression” and a red line as China has a fundamental right to develop as any other country.
This is all, of course, also signaling to the upcoming Trump administration. The fact these are “red lines” means they’re non-negotiable regardless of who leads the US: he’s telling Trump too that attempts to “reshape” China or restrict its development will be viewed as hostile actions. And the emphasis on US “saying one thing and doing another” also puts the future administration on notice that China will judge the US by its actions rather than its diplomatic statements.
Conclusion: by framing these positions as “lessons learned” from the past four years, Xi is effectively closing the book on one approach to US-China relations – which he’s obviously very critical about – and very clearly signaling to Trump a change is badly needed, particularly around the “4 red lines” and matching words with actions. The language is very confident, telling the U.S. they need to “treat each other as equals” and that they have no “position of strength” anymore.
The US readout on this (china.usembassy-china.org.cn…), as usual for the Biden administration, is very illustrative of exactly what Xi is complaining about: a complete disregard for China’s stance on these issues and a refusal to engage with them, or even mention them at all. Not sure that “America first” Trump and the team of China hawks he put together will be much better…
Nov 17, 2024 · 5:27 AM UTC ‘
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Pretty comprehensive as anyone would agree, the CW pivots to a bigger war and sacrifices South Korea as they have done Ukraine – to thwart Drumpffs first terms greatest gambit – to make peace on that peninsula with his visit to it. By inciting nukes being used there, as I speculate on Ukraine thread. A means of constraining 47.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 19 2024 13:17 utc | 118
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