State Of The War For Palestine
Pressed by their allies Lebanon and Israel have agreed on a cessation of fire.
The 13 points of the ceasefire agreement are reinstating UN Security Council resolution 1701. Thus the status quo ante has been restored.
I do regard as a pause in fighting, not as an end to the war.
Both sides are in need of a pause.
The Israeli Defense Forces are depending on reservists. It is organized to fight short, high intensity wars. But it has now been in the field for over 14 month. Many of its reservists simply fail to show up when they are recalled for another round of fighting. High material and human losses at the front in Lebanon, where little to no progress was made, have further weakened the force.
The Lebanese resistance movement Hizbullah is likewise in need of a time-out. The Israeli attacks on its leadership have seriously weakened its organization. Its local fighters have managed to resist Israeli attacks on the frontline and its missile forces were able to hit Israel where it hurts. But the utter destruction caused by Israeli air attacks were threatening its support within the wider population of Lebanon.
Both sides will claim to have won the war. Hizbullah has managed to resist against a very capable Israeli enemy which is in itself a victory. Israel has managed to dampen the support of the resistance for the population of Gaza.
But neither side has achieved any of its aims. Israel has failed to destroy Hizbullah. It has failed to capture any new land. Its settlers will still reject to return to the north. While the population in south Lebanon will return to its villages it will take several years for it to rebuild all the places that Israel has destroyed.
The original UNSCR 1701 had kept a semblance of peace between Lebanon and Israel since 2006. Its reinstatement is very unlikely to hold that long.
As the conflict in Lebanon subsides Israel and the U.S. have reignited the war in Syria. There have been signs for a while that this was going to happen. Yesterday Al-Qaeda affiliated HTS fighters, which has been rebuild and sponsored with CIA money, have relaunched their attacks on Syrian government forces west of Aleppo. Syrian and Russian air force attacks have for now stopped their progress. Hizbullah's Rudwan forces have yet to intervene but are deployed to defend Aleppo.
I do not expect the situation to Syria to escalate further.
The Axis of Resistance had promised to support Gaza. The cessation of fire in Lebanon has for now blocked one way of doing so. It will have to activate new vectors of attacks to prevent Israel from finishing its genocide in Gaza.
Posted by b on November 28, 2024 at 10:22 UTC | Permalink
next page »the animals in Gaza have been thrown under the bus by both Hezbollah and Iran who claimed they won't ceasefire as long as Israel is cleaning up the animals in their Promised Land.
The animals truly have no real friends.
Posted by: Surferket | Nov 28 2024 10:34 utc | 1
The MSM call this mob, "Syrian Rebels".
Kevork Almassianđ¸đžđŚđ˛
@KevorkAlmassian
The Islamic Turkistan Army is the leading force in the terrorist offensive on Western Aleppo. Some known nationalities are Uigurs (Chinese), Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turks, Chechens, and other Arabic nationalities.
https://x.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1862061298088915314
Posted by: Menz | Nov 28 2024 10:49 utc | 2
Seyed Mohammad Marandi
@s_m_marandi
Erdogan continues to send cheap Baku oil to Netanyahu. He preserves diplomatic ties despite the genocide.
Netanyahu regularly bombs and threatens Syria. Erdogan arms multinational terrorists to attack and occupy Syria from the north.
Erdogan and Netanyahu are not enemies.
https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1861983353114615834
Posted by: Menz | Nov 28 2024 10:51 utc | 3
The animals have committed innumerable acts of genocide. The denizens of that shitty little state have devolved into something other than human as their tribal WarGod, Yahweh, has been revealed as a totally evil entity...worshipped by fanatics and idiots.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 10:51 utc | 4
Thanks for providing the 13 points of the ceasefire, b.
However, the conditions set out by Bibi, in psuedo-agreement with the spirit of the ceasefire, make it crystal clear that the thieving, lying Genocide Jews have left so many options to retaliate for real or imagined breaches by the arabs,
that Bibi will concoct an excuse to resume the ultra-violence by the Jews within a week.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 28 2024 10:52 utc | 5
It is ErdoÄan betraying Putin, by backing HTS and others. Check A. Koribko.
Posted by: Biochar | Nov 28 2024 10:52 utc | 6
Aaron MatĂŠ
@aaronjmate
Accepting the 2024 Sterling Prize from SFU, @DrGaborMate
compares the Vietnam war to Gaza, and dedicates the prize money to medical aid for Gaza.
https://x.com/aaronjmate/status/1861975867855142917
Posted by: Menz | Nov 28 2024 10:52 utc | 7
The perpetual alien invaders are wallowing in pride as they have captured the feral govmint of the U$$A; a land which has fallen under the near total control of the enemies of humanity.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 10:54 utc | 8
Darn my post on previous thread got eaten in preview as it clashed with this new article going up⌠grrr.
Anyway totally agree about the timing
âYesterday Al-Qaeda affiliated HTS fighters, which has been rebuild and sponsored with CIA money, have relaunched their attacks on Syrian government forces west of Aleppo.â
Hey the Uiggers are even being shown in action! Along with Ukronazis!! Erdoâs is refusing to stop being the Natzios enforcerâŚ
The Gang Is Back In Town . Yeehaa letâs go get us some more of that oil and gas - who gonna stop us?
Who? What more like. Nuts! Whole hazelnuts!
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 28 2024 10:57 utc | 9
i don't see the functionality of allowing comments like these https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/11/state-of-the-war-for-palestine.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3c4d585200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3c4d585200c
Posted by: Giandavide | Nov 28 2024 10:57 utc | 10
Vanessa Beeley
@VanessaBeeley
The Aleppo front is nowhere near collapsing. It was a trap set by the Syrian Arab Army and the terrorists are now being hammered, their supply lines cut and their rear guard destroyed. You are working for the Zionist regime with all the BS you are spreading. Turkiye has now broken the 2020 Idlib ceasefire agreement and will suffer the consequences for Erdogan's proxy forces occupying Syrian territory as a result. I am in Syria before you ask.
https://x.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1862083095769264483
Posted by: Menz | Nov 28 2024 10:59 utc | 11
Hi b
You donât agree that the 13 points will be a return of American manrines to Lebanon?
That would be , for me , one of the major takeaways and means they forgot why they left in the first place and that IDF canât clean Lebanon on their own.
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 28 2024 11:07 utc | 12
Thread:
Mazen A. Nakkach | Ů
از٠أŮŮŘł اŮŮŮاش
@NakkachM
đ´ Introduction: Syria Under AttackâA New Chapter in the War of Wills
In the grand war on the Axis of Resistance, nothing happens by coincidence.
đş Al-Qaedaâs affiliates, led by Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, have launched a significant offensive against Syrian Army positions near Aleppo.
đş The timing is calculated, coinciding with a lull on the southern Lebanese front.
đş The objectives are clear: to weaken Syria, scatter the Axis of Resistance, and force new dynamics on the battlefield.
But Syria is no passive player in this game. The Axis of Resistance understands these moves and sees through their long-term implications.
đŻ In this thread:
Who is orchestrating this escalation?
Why is Aleppo the chosen target?
How does this fit into the broader regional war?
This is not just a skirmishâitâs a new chapter in the ongoing battle of wills.
10:48 AM ¡ Nov 28, 2024
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https://x.com/NakkachM/status/1861920097540948064
Posted by: Menz | Nov 28 2024 11:17 utc | 13
Erdogan continues to send cheap Baku oil to Netanyahu. He preserves diplomatic ties despite the genocide.
Erdogan and Netanyahu are not enemies.
Posted by: Menz | Nov 28 2024 10:51 utc | 3
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I see this point made here a lot, to imply that Erdogan's stated stance on Israel is insincere and mere theater. I think that oversimplifies the calculus behind it. Note that before the recent US sanctions against Russian banks, Russia was still delivering natural gas to Europe, even while Russia was at war with NATO and has largely pivoted away from Europe to Eurasia.
Why? Because Russia wants to maintain its credibility in honoring its contracts and promises. Which, in general, is important for business and international standing; only the Hegemon can eschew all norms and behave like a rogue, but even that has consequences. And credibility is especially important in the energy business with its long-term contracts: buyers must be reassured that their commitments will hold in the face of geopolitical turbulence, which is constant these days.
Likewise, Turkiye wants to be the energy major hub for transporting energy from West and Central Asia to Europe. To achieve this, European countries must be assured that any conflicts between US/NATO and Turkiye will not result in their energy contracts being reneged on.
So, Turkiye continuing to sell oil to Israel is not a sign of its lack of credibility, but exactly the opposite. The world doesn't revolve around Israel, and whatever happens with Gaza and Lebanon, Turkiye's policies shouldn't be designed solely around it. More to the point, the demise of Israel is its own doing, and will happen regardless, with or without Turkiye's interventions. Turkiye must be focused on leveraging its geopolitical position to become a major hub. Why sacrifice that for a rogue state called Israel? In any case, I see that as a Turkiye-first policy.
Moreover, the point of a multi-polar world is for mid-level countries such as Turkiye to be able to pursue their own interests instead of having to align into this or that camp. That is the opposite of the US position in which "you're either with us or against us", and the Israel position in which "you either support the genocide or you're an anti-semite." I say good riddance to this camp-based, Manichean outlook on international relations. Why should Turkiye, or anyone else, mimic the framework of US/Israel?
Posted by: Mastameta | Nov 28 2024 11:22 utc | 14
Simply to stop Israel from invading Lebanon is an accomplishment. The Israelis and wider Jewry, like Bill Kristol, have been talking about how they would destroy Lebanon next time, but next time came and they couldn't.
Four attempts to control Lebanon: 1978 (gave rise to the Hezbollah resistance), 1982, 2006, 2024. By now it is clear to all that Israel can never take Lebanon and can never destroy the Party of God.
Posted by: Tenet | Nov 28 2024 11:26 utc | 15
These israelie monsters are the same people who control our govenments, and our govenments control us.
See Gaza ?
We are next.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 28 2024 11:27 utc | 16
@H
@HakanMetin54793
The wooden head NAZI NATO Secretary General went to Turkey and on the same day the USA announced that they could give F35s to Turkey. AND THE NEXT DAY, the radical Islamists supported by Turkey in the occupied Syrian lands launched an attack on Syria. HERE IS THE FRAUDULENT WEST
https://x.com/HakanMetin54793/status/1862054745566814678
Posted by: Menz | Nov 28 2024 11:32 utc | 17
The Israelis have already broken the ceasefire, firing on civilians attempting to return home. The Israeli report calls the civilians "suspects", but we all know that means just plain uninvolved civilians. I don't have that much hope for the ceasefire lasting.
Posted by: laguerre | Nov 28 2024 11:39 utc | 18
mastameta@1122
There are no nuances when dealing with an insane, self-chosen genocidal, colonialist, imperialist entity. Sultan Erdogan must get off his high horse...even though some of his family members are deeply involved in the theft of Syrian oil and selling it to the genociders.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 11:42 utc | 19
Much is made of western leadership(including Israel) being out of touch with reality. What about online sources and those who support any resistance against the Empire?
Were we not led to believe Hizbollah missiles were so advanced since 2006 that they could shut down Israel on their own? They couldn't even shut down the Israeli air fields! Thus we got the "escalation excuse" stringing us further along that Hizbollah can do so much more if they want to.
It's the same deal with Iran. They could destroy Israel with conventional weapons if they want to...yet they never seem to want to. They could bring western economies to their knees by cutting off the oil...but they never even did that!
Just look at the scorecard: thousands of dead Palestinians, thousands of dead Lebanese, entire Hizbollah leadership wiped out and numerous Iranian leaders assassinated.
What price has Israel paid? The war criminal leadership still alive and well. For the most part it is business as usual if Haifa and Tel Aviv. Yes Hizbollah and Iran are not targeting civilians. Is that really smart when the other side is running a terror campaign? And what exactly is civilian about the West Bank settlements? These are the biggest supporters of the genocidal policies of Israel. West Bank Palestinians are attacked each day. The settlers still have their nice comfortable homes to go back to each night.
We get the same narrative about Ansar Allah. They could sink US navy ships any time they really want to. How many have they sunk so far?
I'm not saying the experts we are listening to online are wrong. Maybe it is a war of attrition and Israel falls in the long run. They are intelligent men and everything they say could be right. Yet their basis for Israel losing is entirely speculative. They are, I suspect, guilty of their own bias and are telling their audience what they want to hear.
However the conclusion I must reach is that the Resistance is afraid to go to all out war. It's a war of attrition because that's all they have the courage to attempt. Until Putin strikes NATO outside Ukraine the exact same accusation applies to the Russians. This behavior simply encourages Israel/USA to use more violence - because they are not paying any price that really hurts them.
It's a shame the Iranians/Russians couldn't have gone after the West's Ponzi scheme economy and shocked the whole thing into immediate collapse. That is the only way you stop this endless warmongering.
The domestic analogy I'd use(and it really applies to Putin who is so pro-West) is this is an abusive marriage. The BRICs are trying to end it but they don't want to really upset the abusive West in the process.
I may be guilty of being too emotional, however with the Gaza Holocaust still ongoing I'll forgive myself. I'd like to see WW3 now and western "civilisation" get exactly what it deserves. I might be guilty of wishful thinking but I can't help but wonder that if the Resistance really pushed back on the West, on all fronts, the USA would suddenly look like Russia in 1905.
I'm complaining, yet in a way I'm not. I've got a very high quality of life and the status quo suits me fine personally. But I am finding all that Palestinian, Lebanese and Russian blood on my hands difficult to ignore.
Posted by: EoinW | Nov 28 2024 11:54 utc | 20
Erdogan must get off his high horse...even though some of his family members are deeply involved in the theft of Syrian oil and selling it to the genociders.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 11:42 utc | 19
No member of any Mafia family does anything without giving his cut to the Boss ...
That is Rule #1.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 28 2024 11:57 utc | 21
Al-Julani, the head of HTS, is a brutal terrorist with a $10 million bounty on his head from the United States government, but surprisingly, Washington wants him to replace Assad.
The US State Department under Secretary Antony Blinken has planned for Julani to be installed in Damascus as leader of the proposed Islamic State of Syria. Barbara Leaf, Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs traveled in September 2022 to the Middle East, but never visited Damascus. She and the US government she represents do not recognize Damascus as the government, but they do recognize Al-Julani and the Salvation Government, who they promote as the legitimate representatives of Syrians, even though the area they exist in is a mere 1% of the territory of Syria.
https://syria360.wordpress.com/2023/02/26/idlib-earthquake-aid-hijacked-by-terrorists/
Posted by: CIROC | Nov 28 2024 12:03 utc | 22
There will be no repite come 20th of January,
Israel ownes trump bought and payed for.
https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2024/november/27/lowkey-exposes-donald-trumps-pro-israel-funders
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 28 2024 12:06 utc | 23
Posted by: EoinW | Nov 28 2024 11:54 utc | 21
You are fairly right.
What they do not want is to end the game.
They need some terrible opponent to enforce their Rule over their people.
They need an unending conflict to extort money.
They need sanctions to raise all prices on otherwise abundant commodities...
They will play on as long as We The Peons keep on believing in the Rules ...
We live in the Rules based order, never forget.
The Mob Rules ...
I might look like a little bit obsessed by the Mafia: its just that I see it everywhere ...
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 28 2024 12:09 utc | 24
# Hezbollah has not been defeated. Albeit damaged, it will now have time to refresh and rebuild. This is simply a 'cessation of hostilities' - and were its military campaign to continue at this time it would have risked losing some support from its Shia base and allow the Empire to instigate hostility towards it from the Sunni and Maronite sections of Lebanon.
# The Zionist entity called for this 'ceasefire' due to the IDF having failed in its ground 'invasion' and exhaustion and no-shows in its 'reserves'. Militarily, this is a win for the Resistance. Daoud the Shia has sorely smitten the wounded Golani.
# The Shia have suffered from American bombs dropped from American aircraft piloted by Zionists on civilian homes and infrastructure and forced displacement of over one million. This is TERRORISM.
# After over a year the Zionists can claim some victory from severing, for now, the link between Hezbollah and Hamas.
# The Empire has gained some foothold as it seeks to increase the 'capacity' of the very weak Lebanese army and probable entry of 'military advisors'. Attempts to divide and rule will continue.
# France, in the person of Macron, has whored itself out to the Empire so that is can pretend to have some influence in Lebanon - which it carved out of Greater Syria post WW1 to create a majority for the Maronites - a majority which has fizzled out over the past century.
# Iran will continue to support the Shia - and Hezbollah.
# As the Gaza Genocide continues the Pariah status of the Zionist entity is clear to the rest of the world. And this will now accelerate in the West Bank under the Trump presidency. Probable that both will be annexed.
# Northern areas of the occupied territory is a wasteland and doubt that the 60,000 settlers will be in any hurry to return.
# The northern settlers and the families of the hostages will continue to place pressure on Netanyahu. Zionist economy would collapse without US support.
# We await the next Iranian response to the Zionist attempt to attack it - probably in the next month or so IMHO.
# Syria remains in a shocking state and without the support of RF it would have collapsed. Zionist attacks and deadly mischief by both the US and Turkey will continue. Difficult to know at times whether Erdogan is a whore or/and a pimp as he tries to play all sides ....
# Egypt and the Arab Princes clearly support the complete destruction of Hamas in Gaza - as deemed too close to their existential enemy - The Muslim Brotherhood. A plague on all their houses.
# Al Quassam brigades continue to fight on.
# The Resistance will continue.
# The myth of Zionist 'invincibility' has been shattered - Sinwar's goal has been achieved - albeit at very high and continuing cost in civilian lives.
# The epitaph 'Israel delenda est' has been written and will enter history.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 28 2024 12:09 utc | 25
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 11:42 utc | 19 "even though some of his family members are deeply involved in the theft of Syrian oil and selling it to the genociders."
What oil is being stolen from Syria and sold to the genociders?
Are you mixing up Azerbaijan oil that is transported across Turkey and then exported?
Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 28 2024 12:09 utc | 26
Al Manar live feed
Lebanese Army: We started to implement missions in south Lebanon, Bekaa and Beirutâs Dahiyeh (southern suburb), in parallel with boosting deployment south of Litani River
13:31 Yedioth Ahronoth: Israeli posts along the border with Lebanon were severely damaged by Hezbollahâs Burkan missiles
13:27 Egyptian Team Visits âIsraelâ to Present âComprehensive Visionâ for Gaza Deal More..
13:25 Resistance Unbreakable: Imam Khamenei Declares Israelâs Doom, Al-Aqsa Storm Unstoppable More..
12:30 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon: Israeli enemy forces violate ceasefire, fire 4 shells at the border town of Taybe
12:28 Israeli occupation forces arrest 18 Palestinians during raids across occupied West Bank
12:27 More than 100 Zionist settlers including Jewish students desecrate Al-Aqsa Mosque this morning, some 50 Israeli policemen offer protection: Palestinian media
Posted by: Exile | Nov 28 2024 12:13 utc | 27
aristodemos 19
Now that Turkiye has no power in Palestine, it's only satisfaction is in betraying its former subjects. The Turks have continued their centuries old tradition of a policy of self-interest, which happens to be same policy of its British tormentors.
Two great civilisations on the scrapyard of history, both finding out the hard way that doing evil is the surest way to lose power. The US and Israel are next.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 28 2024 12:17 utc | 28
@ Posted by: EoinW | Nov 28 2024 11:54 utc | 21
Yes it is frustrating for many of us who can see the problem from anything other than the Anglo European Centric point of reference.
You know? the one that âourâ Collective West built on centuries of baton passing conquest, empire building and colonisation has made the only âHistoryâ that matters.
That of course led to the hubris of the neolib/conmenâs owners to declare and End of anymore such History. Declaring themselves as undisputed winners of the Whole World to finally do whatever they wanted after centuries of trying and failing and only getting so far.
And like conmen and charlatans they expected the Whole Worlds humanity and civilisations to just accept that o he the case and roll over to be tickled!
The 90âs to the now mid 20âs has been that WW3 you and others dream of. It has been going on with mass destruction and invasions and genocides. Yeah even in Europe starting with Yugoslavia being bombed by natzo Bimbo Bill and Bambi Blair leading the charge- before Shrub and his daddyâs gang went for the main course of 7 countries in 5 years⌠flattening Afghanistan ,Iraq and l Libya , returning them to the Slave Ages.
Along with massive rapine and pillage in the African vastness.
Using Private Military âCompaniesâ replacing conscripted national service âheroesâ - because mercenaries donât need to be worried about if they end up dead. No one even expecting body bags and military funerals or âfake Heroesâ with their missing limbs who need support forevermore.
So we get mass migrations from such war zones. Total upheaval as the Bankers come to reap their harvest. The heir plans ready for a golden billion, the rest of humanity 90% planned to be extinguished. Through starvation and disease.
So when that majority of humanity, the majority of ancient civilised Peoples REFUSE to go calmly to their planned extinction and Resist - it does not mean they have to resort to the same barbaric methods and certain greater deaths of that humanity.
We are nearly there. Donât worry.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 28 2024 12:23 utc | 29
Posted by: EoinW | Nov 28 2024 11:54 utc | 21
I feel your pain, brother[?].
It's a truly horrible situation and makes one feel guilty just for being a member of the "society" that is inflicting this on the people of West Asia.
The Zionists have long used the "mad dog" method to get their way, and they can do so because they are assured of unlimited support from their masters (or servants, take your pick) in the West. The world's biggest and nastiest spoiled brat.
Posted by: expat | Nov 28 2024 12:37 utc | 30
Craig Murray is in Beirut this very minute Zionist drones are still flying overhead.
"Please listen to this carefully. The Lebanese ceasefire agreement is a smoke and mirrors trick by the USA and Israel.
They have no intention of keeping it; comparable to the Minsk Agreements."
https://nitter.poast.org/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1861617980544590261#m
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 28 2024 12:47 utc | 31
I agree, it does seem that both sides have lost, significantly.
Perhaps one could argue Israel is the one facing the more strategic damage, but it's a tough one to sell when one considers that literally all of Hezbollah's leadership has been annihilated, their land was invaded (unlike Israel's) and its support is in crisis due to the destruction of civilian areas inhabiting the very people they are supposed to protect.
Israel on the other hand still benefits from the unwavering support of the entire West. And if you think Russian or Iranian support is preferable, then go sit at command post in Iraq or Syria and see what those S-400's can do for you as Israel blows you to kingdom come with total impunity.
Any analysts who fail to acknowledge these obvious facts, are more concerned with clicks and repeat appearances on the preaching to converted media farce, and this applies to both sides.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Nov 28 2024 12:53 utc | 32
The Axis of Resistance had promised to support Gaza. The cessation of fire in Lebanon has for now blocked one way of doing so. It will have to activate new vectors of attacks to prevent Israel from finishing its genocide in Gaza.
Posted by b on November 28, 2024 at 10:22 UTC |
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I think Iran will step in significantly.
I think Turkey has declared itself to not be part of the resistance but supportive of NATO and that Russia will act accordingly in Syria.
Posted by: financial matters | Nov 28 2024 13:27 utc | 33
Yves Smith on all this yesterday: well worth reading
Israel Agrees to Ceasefire in Lebanon After Ground Invasion Fails
Posted on November 27, 2024 by Yves Smith
While a cessation of hostilities should be a welcome event, the ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon is not cause for great cheer. While it does mean that Israelâs air assault on Beirut and other parts of Lebanon are off for now, and maybe even a long time, that does not mean Israel is foreswearing its belligerent ways. It will instead be free to turn its full attention to Palestine and the West Bank.
The big reason for this ceasefire is that Israel was suffering high costs and getting nowhere in its ground invasion of Lebanon.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 28 2024 13:32 utc | 34
Posted by: EoinW | Nov 28, 2024 11:54 UTC | 21
The only thing that is sufficiently clear from your exposition is that: If you could do something, you do not have the will or the decision to do it. The only thing that is under your control are your own actions, but of course, by blaming others we all seem innocent and pure...
Every day, every hour, every minute, every second, is an opportunity to take responsibility for your words and your thoughts.
Thanks b, that sort of levelled out the picture for me.
Remaining questions are if Qassem did sign, and the extent that LAF is willing to go to.
It seems weak of Qassem to not announce anything personally, but there might be reasons for that, as in quietly playing along because it suits.
On the other hand the current ceasefire proposal goes in the direction Qassem has been portrayed as representing, which would be fuller political integration of Hezballah in Lebanese politics.
Maybe Hezballah are just keeping their cards very close.
As for LAF, it might be an arranged token presence , or the ceasefire terms could be used to persecute Hezballah and initiate a full coup or attempt at ejecting Hezballah from Lebanon with western backing. Two extremes.
Sporadic ground conflict is expected to continue in south of Lebanon for some time.
An uneasy arrangement, but sought by all sides for their own respective reasons.
Each side portrays a win of some kind, but some also try to enforce a sense of loss on the other and continue to persecute from that position. Just an example, which maybe gives a glimpse of wider strategy at work, or how it approaches the ceasefire:
https://yalibnan.com/2024/11/28/time-for-accountability-in-lebanon-iran-must-pay-for-war-damages/
Posted by: Ornot | Nov 28 2024 13:38 utc | 36
@EoinW | Nov 28 2024 11:54 utc | 21
Yeah, Hezbollah is highly overrated. They should have at least destroyed every building in Tel Aviv but supposedly they have some moral and ethical problem about bombing civilians, like any Muslim knows what morals or ethics are. Only in the last days of the conflict did Hezbollah send some fireworks to indiscriminately hit Tel Aviv. As I posted in the previous Palestine open thread
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Wasn't following the Middle East issue much, never knew why. But now I know why. Those Arabs armies are useless, they don't have the IQ to conduct a campaign beyond the opening rounds. Whats it like 60 days since Hezbollah entered the conflict in a proper fashion? Syria would have done better as Syria has at least got anti-air defences, what Russia allows Syria to have that is. But Syria has been under the attack by Turkish, Kurdish and Jordanian Muslims ably supported by the US and Israel since forever, so Syria is in no condition to get involved.Russia must be happy, no WW3 erupting in the Middle East. Pity about the soon to be exterminated Palestinians though, but even those of their own religion like Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia don't give a damn about the Palestinians, so why should Russia?
Apartheid South Africa was not defeated by military means, the Apartheid regime collapsed when the easy gold ran out, plain and simple as that. So Israel can only be defeated when America runs out of money to give to Israel. And in Ukraine Russia is defeating the USA. Hopefully Russia keeps their SloMO going on forever, until NATO retreats back to the 1990's lines that is."
However Iran is a different kettle of fish, Iran is Persian, not Arab. The Persians are much, much more capable than the Arabs. Israel will never be able to defeat Iran by themselves, Israel would need the West (USA) to do the bulk of the heavy lifting in the event of a war with Iran.
Still can't understand why Hezbollah just didn't unleash all their missiles on Tel Aviv, where were the donkey's transporting missile components across the mountains from Syria ala Viet Cong style? Where were the Ho Chi Minh Trails from Syria to Lebanon? Oops forgot, Arab armies don't understand logistics. But Hezbollah do fight well, a non state actor who can fight a state to a standstill takes some doing, someone else needs to take care of logistics and supplies and strategy though.
Posted by: gT | Nov 28 2024 13:43 utc | 37
Posted by: laguerre | Nov 28 2024 11:39 utc | 18
The additional zio attack breaking the ceasefire targeted and wounded journalists, including from the Associated Press.
"Three journalists, including a freelance photographer working for The Associated Press, were injured by Israeli gunfire while reporting on the return of displaced people to Khiam, a town close to the border that had recently seen intense fighting."
https://dailystar.com.lb/three-wounded-israel-strikes-markaba-shells-wazzani/
Posted by: mmi | Nov 28 2024 13:49 utc | 38
Tiny Palestine and Lebanon are taking on the most lethal, powerful, wealthiest countries in the world. A tie against the hegemonic monster is a win for the undisputed underdog. In the contest of which leader betrays his people more and is more genocidal, the flawed Erdogan doesnât hold a candle to the Biden, Starmer, Scholz. Macron and it now looks like Trump.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 28 2024 13:56 utc | 39
Time is on the Resistance side.
Oct 2023 was a bit early.
Winners do not desist.
Posted by: paddy | Nov 28 2024 13:56 utc | 40
https://x.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1862083095769264483
Posted by: Menz | Nov 28 2024 10:59 utc | 11
Thank you for this. When I read last night that the defense was collapsing I immediately though to of the many times Ukr rushed into traps & prayed this was the case.
So relieved...
Posted by: Mary | Nov 28 2024 14:04 utc | 41
Yeah, Hezbollah is highly overrated. They should have at least destroyed every building in Tel Aviv but ...
Posted by: gT | Nov 28 2024 13:43 utc | 39
Hell knows no fury like the wrath of disappointed arm warriors. Neither IDF nor Hezbollah has city destroying capability of Allies during WWII. Given that, IDF had copious supplies by air and sea, while Hezbollah relies on clandestine channels that have vastly smaller cargo delivery capacity.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 28 2024 14:05 utc | 42
The animals truly have no real friends.
Posted by: Surferket | Nov 28 2024 10:34 utc | 1
Not true. Time will tell.
Posted by: Mary | Nov 28 2024 14:05 utc | 43
Both Hamas and Hezbollah and PIJ and PFLP have absorbed the full force of the IDF for fourteen months, and despite the losses in key leadership positions have kept on ticking.....
Its an amazing story of survival in the field under the worst of conditions...........
Just like in Ireland in the period 1916 - 1998, there were many setbacks for the IRA, but they were never defeated in the field of battle.......they persisted because of one factor.....they had the support of the insurgent population against the occupier........
The IDF has failed and failed badly in its mission to destroy the insurgent native forces......they will live to fight another day......
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 28 2024 14:06 utc | 44
typo: disappointed arm warriors --> disappointed armchair warriors.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 28 2024 14:08 utc | 45
Posted by: financial matters | Nov 28 2024 13:27 utc | 35
I think you may be right on Iran and, unfortunately, about Turkey in Syria, which seems to be where the Empire and its local enforcers is turning its attention after Lebanon.
But in Syria they are coming closer to engaging directly with Iran and Russia, so I believe it won't be cake-walk time for the "Axis of Democracy" in this iteration of the struggle.
I tend to get my information on this from Vanessa Beeley's Telegram Channel: https://t.me/VanessaBeeley
Posted by: expat | Nov 28 2024 14:14 utc | 46
B is simply putting lipstick on a pig. US organized and supported Lebanon Army is busy deploying South of the Litani river guaranteeing Hezbollah withdraws north of the Litani. The IDF. retains the right to maneuver against any Hezbollah forces that remain south of the Litani. 5000 Lebanese troops (reenforced by 2-3 thousand additional US trained and supported troops over the next few months) are expected to ensure that Hezbollah does not re-occupy its positions along the Israeli border.
This hardly sounds like the reestablishment of the status quo, rather it has all the appearance of the loss of all that Hezbollah gained since 2006.
Posted by: Zargo | Nov 28 2024 14:15 utc | 47
Posted by: Mastameta | Nov 28 2024 11:22 utc | 14
#########
Many people are romantic they believe in loyalty and morality in international relations.
Good guys and bad guys. Caricatures of power relationships.
Erdogan is what he is but he always puts his interests first. If he is "bad" he is predictably so, and thus easy for Putin to manage.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 28 2024 14:17 utc | 48
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 28 2024 14:05 utc | 44
Hear, Hear!
Posted by: expat | Nov 28 2024 14:18 utc | 49
Are you mixing up Azerbaijan oil that is transported across Turkey and then exported?
Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 28 2024 12:09 utc | 27
Almost a waste of time to reply, but No. He is referring to the illegal US base in occupied Syria, al Tanf, set up to protect & steal Syrian oil & ship to Israel.
Posted by: Mary | Nov 28 2024 14:19 utc | 50
Given that Gaza is mostly doomed now and the northern threat to Israel is neutralized, what next? I think genocide continues and nobody does much of anything about it. Israel will keep it on the down low. If they can do a Final Solution on Palestine, then Iran and Hezbollah and the rest don't matter. A weird positive here might be a ham handed Trump Administration that ditches whatever pretense is left of "international laws", so as to prevent future interventions. It might be amusing to observe warmongering done honestly with a State Dept. pronouncing, 'cause we say so'.
But... I wonder about Netanyahu. What does Israel do? Let him off? Do nothing? Hard to say. I do think Israel will have severe internal problems with the incompatible mess that Netanyahu has stitched together. Racist settlers, Torah study bums, and assorted fanatics - with secular/Labour types excluded and thinking about leaving. Good Luck with all of that.
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 28 2024 14:20 utc | 51
Rubiconned 34
' Both sides have lost significantly.'
The Nazi side, USUKIS has printed the money to make the bombs to send free to Israel. They have trashed Palestine and Lebanon which for a Nihilist cult is mot losing.
The Nazis , USUKIS, will be delirious over their success in exterminating the Palestimians and they want to catch breath for a fleeting second before exterminating Lebanese civilians on some pathetic pretext.
International Law has been reduced to a stump and burned in the streets of Western Capitals, never to be seen again. Russia is now totally exonerated for doing a slo-mo-smo, because most of us had previously thought that USUKIS were bad, but not actual Nazis.
All that the West has lost is its credibility which it seems to think are its boxers , easily changed when necessary.
This is dangerous because the normally sane majority will prepare for action.
Iran will prepare its nukes. NATO will collapse. Confidence in Western Banking will collapse. The cheap workforce of immigrants will go back to their own countries. The new generation of idealistic youth will run away.
The West has lost its future. ROW have regained their self- confidence.
A Nazi future is inadmissible to sentient human beings. They've screwed their garden world.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 28 2024 14:23 utc | 52
Amos Hochstein was interviewed on US PBS News Hour last night, and never once mentioned the word Hezbollah, intead he mouthed the party line of a "new" Lebanon, where the LAF would be in control of the border regions........
That is funny and sick too.......Hezbollah will never give up its entrenched positions in the south, and they have not committed to withdraw north of the Latani River.......
Amos is just a mouthpiece for the IDF........the UN forces and the LAF are mere window dressing.....they have no power to actually take on Hezbollah. H still has thousands of ATGM's, RPG's, and missiles available, and they could if pushed destroy the LAF in the south, doubt they will, but they are fully capable of doing so.
One last point, Amos was definitely encouraging a new civil war between the various Lebanese factions.......truly an evil man......
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 28 2024 14:27 utc | 53
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 28 2024 14:20 utc | 53Why is negativity your default approach? Yes, the times are shitty but things happen: true, Israel will proceed to "ethnically cleanse" (=kill/deport) Palestinians from Gaza. But this is televised, and has a price. I believe that we will see sanctions against Israel eventually, just like against South Africa during Apartheid. I also believe that Israel is in a weak, not a strong, position. The tensions inside Zionism are well documented. Demographically, economically, politically, it is not looking good for them. Again true, as long as the USA provides everything (in particular, money and bombs), this can go on. But the costs are real and I expect a turnaround to happen soon.Given that Gaza is mostly doomed now and the northern threat to Israel is neutralized, what next? I think genocide continues and nobody does much of anything about it.
Also I really should stop talking to people who write "nobody does anything about it". Did you hear of Ansar Allah? Of Francesca Albanese?
Posted by: Konami | Nov 28 2024 14:32 utc | 54
The vast majority of the world's population would feel comfortable if they were offered the possibility of increasing their level of comfort without asking or finding out where it came from.
What has definitely been broken is the possibility of staying away from information, since everything happens live and direct, and it can no longer be hidden, and it can no longer be resolved with a Hollywood movie filmed ten years later, just as it could not be resolved with movies filmed ten years earlier.
What we are experiencing is an unstoppable virus that consists of the propagation of real information in real time, through its very protagonists, which puts the world's population in the dilemma of accepting its responsibility in the massacre and the war, or being part of it, but no longer believing itself innocent, every object and every consumer good is stained with blood, that is increasingly evident.
The current battle belongs to the little ones, to individual people, to internal thought. And that is impossible to defeat with missiles and planes, globalization has reached its tipping point.
At this very second, millions of people are changing their lifestyle, so as not to be responsible and participate in the extinction of humanity, that cannot be stopped by propagandists or lobbyists.
The only way out is universal brotherhood and that is what they are trying to avoid, creating a thousand new enemies every day. Thousands of nations have disappeared before Palestine was under siege, but the human spirit has never been defeated.
"Cessation of hostilities" usually happens because both sides have difficulties with logistics; they need to rest, refit, recruit and reload. That seems very likely what has happened in Lebanon. One of the izzies goals is to prevent Hezbollah from doing all that, while pursuing that for itself. The looming question is what will the "resistance" do? As yet, nobody knows but them. The Izzies will start shooting again as soon as they think they are ready, and I assume they think 60 days is enough for that.
Of course none of that may work out in practice, and I would tend to think it will not.
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 28 2024 14:43 utc | 56
Merkava IV Barak Down: How Israelâs Enhanced New Tank Was Designed to be Near Indestructible Before Being Taken Out
On November 15 the first footage emerged showing the destruction of a Merkava IV Barak main battle tank, a heavily enhanced variant of the Israeli Merkava design which entered service in 2023 with significant improvements to its situational awareness and armour protection levels. The vehicle was neutralised by Palestinian paramilitary groups operating in the Gaza Strip, with three of four crewmembers killed. The baseline Merkava IV which entered service in 2005 was considered to have insufficient armour protection, particularly after it took heavy losses during an attempted Israeli invasion of Southern Lebanon in 2006 to local Hezbollah forces. The tank class had begun development in 1999, and was intended to bridge the performance gap with enhanced variants of the T-72 tank fielded by neighbouring Syria. The Merkava IV was later enhanced with the integration of the Trophy active protection system in 2009, which was one of the worldâs first systems of its kind. It functioned by using a radar to continuously monitor the surrounding environment for incoming threats, and automatically tracking such threats, calculating their trajectories, and deploying protective munitions to intercept and destroy them before impact.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/merkavaiv-barak-tank-designed-indestructible
Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 28 2024 14:50 utc | 57
These israelie monsters are the same people who control our govenments, and our govenments control us.
See Gaza ?
We are next.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 28 2024 11:27 utc | 16
Exactly. If Trump and Putin, or whatever the story is, make a deal over Ukraine, it's back to the road to Gaza for the whole west (and possibly the whole world). Probably in the form of a new pandemic.
Let's hope Trump and Putin don't make a jew deal over Ukraine.
Posted by: Jack M | Nov 28 2024 14:50 utc | 58
@Piotr Berman | Nov 28 2024 14:05 utc | 44
Hey circumcised fruitcake, I clearly stated that I haven't been following the Middle East issue much. I've probably made 20 comments about the situation in Ukraine for every comment I made about Palestine. So I'm an armchair warrior for Russia, but my heart is with the Palestinians and Hezbollah anyway, in fact my heart is with anyone who doesn't like Jews.
Posted by: gT | Nov 28 2024 15:10 utc | 59
Jack M @ 61
Thanks but....
Putin has already got the west on the ropes as far as ukraine is concerned.
That is why the west started the Middle East conflict on oct 7 last year. To distract from a war in ukraine they new they could'nt win.
Vladimir Putin wont do any kind of deal envolving Iran. Dont worry about that.
"An attack on Iran would be considerd an attack on Russia" Vladimir Putin dosent lie, he dosent brag or threaten.
Touch Iran and the white house lawn gets relandscaped, (a rock garden)
And that could be any day right now.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 28 2024 15:16 utc | 60
reply to 57
As Muhammed Ali said after taking a punch in the ring, 'That's all you got?'. I thank you for neatly summarizing the problem. Negativity is irrelevant - similar to 'positivity' about Ukraine. It's about harsh realities in play.
As you say, the genocide will continue. The mainstream media - that successfully hid a senile, shuffling President for so long, as well as being astoundingly incurious about the mental state of Word Salad Kamala - will bury pictures of dead children in Gaza and the rest, Oh, and let's not forget the mind numbing spectacle of international Climate Change worry (Florida under water in 20 years) while the West's attitude to nuclear oblivion is 'Meh, whatever, dude'.
I've said this before but how can we manage to use rationality to judge popular psychotic delusion?
I shouldn't be surprised but it can be a bit galling to see the Muslim world with its 'Jews hiding behind a rock' Hadith - get a clear lesson on How To Defeat Israel in real practical terms but have other stuff to do. How's that Neom coming along? Turkey needs those shekels, huh? Iran and the Saudis seem to 'kissed and made up', at least that looks positive. At this rate, in 2050, Jewish scientists will be regrowing entire organs while Arabs return to the desert with the oil gone. (Thanks, Lawrence of A. you tried)
Well, the critical, central part of this horror is what happens internally to Israel? That's pretty much all that's left. If you favor their collapse, let's talk step by step how that can happen, I'd like to know. Netanyahu and fractiousness are real problems but where does that go - or end?
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 28 2024 15:20 utc | 61
Dialogue Works - Nima
Prof. Mohammad Marandi: IDF Defeated by Hezbollah Hands Down - Tensions in Syria Growing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhW6IDmGf3I [1 hour
Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 28 2024 15:38 utc | 62
Eightman: predicting the future is tough business. In this forum, we don't change the world at all but we can try to understand it a bit better. I believe that Israel (as a Zionist project) is in dire straits:
(1) It has always been a tiny state surrounded by hostile neighbours. It is entirely dependent on provisions from elsewhere (now mostly US but also European, especially in the past). Its goal to dominate a much larger area (you probably know the dreams that Smotrich etc. openly talk about) with much fewer people is harder than it was before, e.g. in Apartheid South Africa or the British colony India.
(2) Israel has always been a war-like state. Perhaps these wars are inevitable because of the hostility towards all neighbours (peace can and has been bought but is always temporary) and/or to unify the home front. I don't think that October 7 was a sign of Israel strength but of weakness: I see it as a high-stakes gamble. The win they're hoping for is a greater Israel, adding Gaza without its former inhabitants (whoever remains will be deported or live miserably in the ruins) but the potential loss is *much* bigger: the end of the Zionist project. This is only a rational decision if you think you're about to lose anyway. And there are reasons to think that: with the USA getting weaker globally, it is not clear if they can (or want to) keep up the safety net for Israel. So perhaps Netanyahu (ignoring his private reasons for a never-ending war that everybody here knows) may have seen October 7 as a good opportunity to start a regional war before USA support becomes more shaky.
(3) I don't see how Israel can solve its pressing problems in the short run: economy in a bad state; lack of soldiers (so bad that they have to resort to recruiting the orthodox); loss of settler areas in the north; world-wide loss of diplomatic standing; losing the aura of invincibility. Each of these can be papered over with money and (for Western audiences) propaganda. But I don't see how they can be solved: even if Trump would manage to re-instate the Abraham accords, that wouldn't magically fix these issues.
Because of all this, I don't think that Israel can win the wars it started. It may not lose militarily but I lack the fantasy for a strategic win. I can totally imagine a future where in a few years large ships leave Tel Aviv and Haifa full of desperate Zionists, abandoning their homeland.
Posted by: Konami | Nov 28 2024 15:46 utc | 63
https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1861767578382700641
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
There's no more blatant bullshit than US/EU lectures on a "rules-based international order."
France now says it won't enforce ICC warrants because Israel isn't a signatory.
But Russia isn't either, yet the West demanded S. Africa and Brazil arrest Putin if he went there.
https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1861774761396703278
Ali Abunimah @AliAbunimah
Director of http://electronicintifada.net. Author of âOne Countryâand âThe Battle for Justice in Palestine.â
Is it a coincidence that France announced clearly that it wonât arrest Netanyahu only the day after the announcement of the Lebanon ceasefire in which Macron played a role as a âmediatorâ? Clear they feel free of any type of restraint now.
https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1861760718615265516
Ali Abunimah @AliAbunimah
There's no bottom to "Western" depravity and bloodlust.
In its statement saying it won't arrest Netanyahu, the @EmmanuelMacron
regime calls France and "Israel" "two democracies attached to the rule of law and respect for an independent and professional judiciary."
Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 28 2024 16:02 utc | 64
Thanks for the update b. Hard to tell what is going on.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 28 2024 16:08 utc | 65
Re: Trophy reactive Armor on the upgraded Merkvava IV
Mostly useless against the 2 stage Yassin 105 RPG; designed and produced in the underground Fortresses of Gaza. There were also a couple of combat videos of Resistance Soldiers firing simple RPGs. One soldier would fire a RPG to set off the Reactive Armor and the second soldier would fire off another RPG close thereafter. Finally, in the last months, the Gaza resistance has been using captured explosives to produce a entire series of landmines. The resistance must have beaucoup captured explosives because some of these landmine explosions are massive. return to sender
On the Northern Front, the Lebanese have designed and produced ATGMs for years (also in their underground fortress workshops). Combat Footage indicates these ATGMs have a effective range of 5km and maybe even 6km. Lebanese also have plenty of anti-Merkava capable drones.
any time the IDF has sent in Armor, the IDF Armor gets wacked. The big Rafeh turkey shoot of last Spring was stunning in its daily tally of MBTs and IFVs. The last 2 months of IDF throwing masses of Armor against the Lebanese fortress was jaw dropping it the carnage of IDF Armor. Last weekend alone, the Lebanese destroyed 8 Merkavas and their sad sack crews. Tragic and avoidable. No wonder the Likud capitulated
Merkava Tally of more than 270 Destroyed and more than 700 damaged since 2.Oct 2023.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 28 2024 16:18 utc | 66
Not Palestine, but immediately relevant, I think:
General Pourhashemi [a senior Iranian military adviser to Syria] was martyred as the Hayâet Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), a terrorist group allied to al-Qaeda, stormed the city of Aleppo on Wednesday.
In a statement carried by state news agency SANA on Thursday, the Syrian army said âa huge and large-scale terrorist attack, with large numbers of terrorists and using medium and heavy weaponsâ, had targeted villages, towns and military sites.
https://tehrantimes.com/news/506857/Iranian-military-advisor-killed-in-terrorist-attack-in-Syria
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 28 2024 16:23 utc | 67
reply to 67
That's very articulate and difficult to argue with.
It's gotten trite but as we know, 'what doesn't kill me makes me stronger' and that applies to both sides in the conflict. They get tempered and adapt and practice endurance. Unfortunately, with Gaza, if they're just dead, that learning might not happen.
The external? Israel's always been at war. The hostility around them is no big deal (aside from Hezbollah). Those nations are corrupt and feeble. Maybe if Egypt collapses if the US can't make payments .... Sanctions will make things more expensive but we here at MOA know about their weakness (!) Actually, the whole Iran thing may be off the table now. One less worry for them. OTOH, they can forget about imperial expansion unless Gaza counts - and even that will cost them, big time.
Internally? What do they do about Netanyahu? AND, how do they cope with societal divisions that make MAGA in the US look feeble? What does it say about a human as repellent as Netanyahu - that he's the only coalition builder they got? Yuck.
The critical number here is emigration, as you say. Let the Labour types leave (who have brains) and let the Settlers and baby making Torah study bums reproduce. So, maybe.....
The final thing is the opposite of what Nietsche said: lack of suffering makes weakness. Israel may not last as a nation of Oct 7 partygoers. I wonder about the endurance of IDF troops compared to Israel past
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 28 2024 16:24 utc | 68
Just before the ceasefire went into effect, Israel bombed the Syria/Lebanon crossing, killing and injuring many.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 28 2024 16:24 utc | 69
Israel from finishing its genocide in Gaza âŚ
Not the end, but the means to the end. Zionist dream is their âbiblical landâ from the Nile River into Mesopotamia. Beyond Eretz Yisrael ⌠still a long way to go ⌠time is measured in eons, not years. Destroy the Palestinian land, resources, erase and transfer its indigenous people. Joe is careful in this process, Donald will use some loftier measures. Forget Ukraine, thatâs Europeâs problem now âŚ
Normalization with Arab states is out of the question ⌠a clear and definite path towards a State of Palestine is the condition ⌠see the Arab League proposal of 2002.
Iranâs path towards a nuclear bomb has shortened after this week decision by the IAEA Board of Governors [Read: USA]
Iran will get a defense pact with Russia and a few days ago âŚ
I wouldn't be surprised if the IDF tries some sort of 'smallpox on blankets' thing with Gaza. Starvation may not be effective enough for genocide
If you think I'm crazy, I would consider what Israel did to Ethiopian Jews with devo provera years back (reported by the Guardian). There's wrong and then, just a bit more wrong.
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 28 2024 16:48 utc | 71
Ed4@1209
Haven't been keeping up in your research, have you? The Azeri oil is simply a matter of trans-shipment for Turkey to I$rael. On the other hand the Kurds, the U$$A and the Erdogan family is deeply involved in personal wealth accumulation for the Erdogan clan in stealing Syria's oil...at a rate of thousands of barrels per diem.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 17:00 utc | 72
I much enjoyed konami's comments (55, 65), and think they're close to correct. The best historical analogy is the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem, to get an idea of how Israel's future might develop. It's not a new analogy, been brought up frequently, but it is relevant here. If the media had existed in the 12th century, or blogs, they too would have accused the Arabs of doing nothing, and feebly allowing the crusaders to do what they want. It was the alien quality of the Crusaders that did for them in the end. It was October 7th now that finally established Israel as an alien colony in the ME (though it always was in reality). And it was an Islam-based leadership that brought the Crusaders down, at least an Islamic façade, and the same sort of development is emerging today. When it was the old Arab nationalist states, like Nasir's Egypt, no-one wanted to fight, which is what led to the 6-day war. I expect the analogy to continue to develop in the future. Whether the time-scale this time around will be more compressed, I don't know, but the sequence of events is very likely to be analogous.
Posted by: laguerre | Nov 28 2024 17:06 utc | 73
Zargo@1415
Highly improbable that Hezbollah took this "ceasefire" scheme laying down. Ever access info on the immense amount of tunneling they have done since '06? Intuition tells me that they have tunneled deeply UNDER the Litani river and are present literally underground, yes beneath the hapless Lebanese army. If a squad of that pretend army wanders too far into some arroyo or mountainside and disturbs the hornets' nest...they might just disappear into Hezbollah custody.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 17:13 utc | 74
thanks b....
thanks konami for your commentary as well which laguerre makes note of...
thank you @ michaelj72 | Nov 28 2024 16:02 utc | 64 as well... menz too earlier in the thread.. thanks all..
Posted by: james | Nov 28 2024 17:13 utc | 75
Tobias Cole@1427
$hithead Amos deserves to have his cajones every bit as circumsized as his wounded weenie. High-$tone is drenched in the blood of the innocent. Are all the most devout Talmudists actually Satanists?
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 17:18 utc | 76
IMO
This is the end of the Palestinians.
West Bank and Gaza will be annexed entirely. Trump's team will back them even more than Biden's. Israel will use the 'ceasefire' to rearm and regroup. The West will 'take care' of Lebanon for them.
Israel is fighting a war of extermination. Their enemies are not willing to commit to what is necessary to stop them.
The rest of the region is only delaying their turn for extermination by allowing Israel to continue the genocide of the Palestinians. It has been made very clear that most of the rest of the world does not care to stop Israel, ever. Those that do will be prevented by the USA/West.
RIP Palestinians. Sorry, but far too few in the world give a shit about you.
Posted by: saner | Nov 28 2024 17:22 utc | 77
Of course, Turkiye is part of NATO, NATO is a military organization, not a democracy, it's lead by an American general, that is, the Pentagon. The Turkish military just got its marching orders from Brussels:
It appears that Erdogan agreed to open a second front against Russia during his meeting with Rutte (USA).Difficult situation south and west of Syrian Aleppo, fighting is going on for the city
Pro-Turkish militants are already on the outskirts. The Syrian army in these directions, according to several sources, is retreating. Organized resistance is provided only by units of the Russian Armed Forces and PMCs.
Turkish specialists, who are the main striking force, have been spotted among the militants.
In one of the videos, a terrorist from the banned Hayat-Tahrir al-Sham threatens the Russian and Syrian military in Turkish. On the second, the assault begins (Caution, very heavy footage).
It is reported that terrorists captured the base of the 46th regiment of Assad's army. The militants also captured 8 tanks in the rural area of ââRif Muhandisin1 west of Aleppo.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 28 2024 17:22 utc | 78
one way for much of this to end would be for the usa to end.. they are the ones supply israel all the bombs to murder innocent civilians... it is another reason why the sooner the usa exits the stage, the better off the world will be..
Posted by: james | Nov 28 2024 17:27 utc | 79
Don Firineach@1450
That touted Trophy radar system on the Merkavas is calculated to detect rockets or missiles coming from some distance. Even their latest iterations are highly vulnerable to a brave Palestinian, who perhaps has suffered the genociding of his family by the Evil One$. So he stealthily approaches the intruder from behind, shod in sandals and holding an explosive charge which ingredients have been removed from an Izzy dud bomb. He deposits the bundle upon a most vulnerable location on the Merkava and quietly slips away.
Moments later the charge explodes and no more Merkava as well as four Izzy intruders. An ironic but satisfying utilization of explosive material supplied by the Zioni$t occupied U$$A, dontcha think?
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 17:29 utc | 80
How about balloons?
We talk about a starvation genocide as Israel gets away with blocking food and medicine. I wonder if a prevailing wind could be used to help Gaza. I'd say drones but I don't know their capacity nor vulnerability to radar that a balloon might escape. How else do they survive?
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 28 2024 17:34 utc | 81
Posted by: EoinW | Nov 28 2024 11:54 utc | 21
the Resistance is afraid to go to all out war.
<-maybe but it seems to me the problem is more that the so-called resistance is not well enough organized under one central command so its heroic efforts don't penetrate deep enough in coordinated to accomplish their goals.
responding to EoinW @ 21 Greg Galloway at | Nov 28 2024 12:09 utc | 25
created a list of CLASS I (MOB) needs and wants.
They do not want is to end the game.
They need some terrible opponent to enforce their Rule over their people.
They need an unending conflict to extort money.
They need sanctions to raise all prices on otherwise abundant commodities...
They will play on as long as We The Peons keep on believing in the Rules ...
We live in the Rules based order, never forget.
HE called these "The Mob Rules" ...
for clarity i post here the 4 dominate classes observable in most nation states
Class 1. Oligarch those with the wealth active in gaining more wealth.
Class 2. POPFMEs: the privately owned, publically [stock market] financed multinational entities (POPFMEs).
Class 3. Government including local, regional, national, domestic and international entities.
Class 4. Slaves: the patriotic people who are governed by the governments that are controlled by the POPFMEs that are owned by the Oligarchs.
I think the posts of EoinW and Galloway describe the situation.. but I see it changing.. Class 4 people everywhere are catching on.. and voting out those controlled by class 1.
mark2 @ 24 says
That is why the west started the Middle East conflict on oct 7 last year. To distract from a war in Ukraine they new they could not win.
<= cannot agree, the genocide and extermination of the Palestinians in Gaza has to do with the oil and gas found in the Levant and the pipelines built or planned to be used to supply Mediterranean sourced gas to Europe. (Russian gas has been kept out by sanction and war, and Levant gas has been ushered in by investors anxious to make a profit.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Mediterranean_Gas_Forum a form formed three or 4 years after the discovery in the Levant. HQ= Cairo, Egypt
Congress Adopts Exxon Mobil-backed law promoting New Gas Pipeline, Arms to Cyrus
these pipelines provide the Mediterranean (Levantine) gas to Europe. Its investors had to clear the so the war in Ukraine. and sanctions against Russia. Russia has been blocked from supplying its gas to Europe?
I believe the genocide in Gaza is another expression of the oil and gas discovery in the Levant Reserve (about 2016.. Cannot find the exact date of that discovery).
excerpts from https://theintercept.com/2020/02/06/congress-exxon-mobil-eastmed-pipeline-cyprus/ follow:
"In December, legislators tucked an obscure provision into the Omnibus spending package that lifted arms restrictions and boosted a controversial pipeline dale in the eastern Mediterranean Sea. ""
" Cyprus, ..has come under increasing pressure from Turkey, which opposes the development of new gas fields discovered of the disputed coasts of the island state and ...
then read this in particular Aphrodite zone gas and Leviathan field gas just 12 miles off shore to Gaza. https://www.dw.com/en/eastmed-gas-paving-the-way-for-a-new-geopolitical-era/a-49330250
and here.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Mediterranean_Gas_Forum#
Posted by: snake | Nov 28 2024 17:36 utc | 82
Ceasefire?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-carries-operations-southern-lebanon-165721948.html
Silly people, only YOU are to cease fire.
Posted by: saner | Nov 28 2024 17:37 utc | 83
The zionists want some french, brits, german and US troops and if not possible, intelligence assets to patrol with UNIFIL in Southern Lebanon to destroy and if it is not possible, to give them the coordinates to buster-bunker bomb them in the future, but it is possible some of them will "dissapear" or suffer some "accidents" in this area.
In fact what the zionists want is a western trip-wire force in Southern Lebanon working for them and when attacked by Hezbollah be the "casus belli" for the US intervention to flatten Lebanon to the last brick, so they can have an scorched earth policy to increase the price of "messing" with them (tryin to avoid their genocides)
But all of this is short-term policy, the future is dark for the zionists and also for their puppets (USA), more a more Russia and China are allying with Iran and then with the Axis of Resistance to counter USA in the region, and that is the wave of the future, and the zionists settlers will also be the losers.
Posted by: Dave | Nov 28 2024 17:38 utc | 84
Cyprus proven to be useful USA and UK base for I tell surveillance and supplies to Israel. Lebanon subjugated.Syria still not strong enough. Iraq in an iffy stateprobably not politics to host USA anything.USA still has every I mention to get Israel and Saudi in some kind of agreement whatever the cost to Palestine and "false" peace ceasefires so that the supply chain is re-established to confront Iran.And USA fleet to be able to be positioned for that scenario too in Indian Ocean.
Posted by: Jo | Nov 28 2024 17:46 utc | 85
The ceasefire was orders from new Trump administration to Netanyahu, enough distractions and games, you fucked it up, stop bashing your head against a wall, get your priorities right, greater Israel will happen easy-peasy once Iran is made to capitulate or is destroyed, after which Hezbollah withers. Syria is just one vector of attack against Iran, and Iran is ultimately a vector of attack against Russia and China which is what all of this is about. A defeated subjugated Iran opens the Caucasus and the Caspian Sea to the USA and NATO.
There was talk recently that project Greater Israel actually includes parts of Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and even Saudi Arabia, seems ridiculous right now pre WW3, but if Iran then Russia then China are defeated/broken/subordinated Israel can strive to be as Great as it dreams. Along with all food, energy, banking, money creation, all global weapons production will be wholly under the Empire's control to dole out to its henchmen and willing subordinates, no more Russian and Chinese AKs, RPGs, and drones, any recalcitrant resistance will be perfunctory to bring to crashing halt, starve, freeze, or bake in 50deg summer heat.
That's the Great Reset, a Pax American as it will be sold by the western msm but in reality a 1000y dark Reich over humanity. All that illuminati, anon, woke conspiracy stuff are just psyops tools to attain that goal, a means not an end. What world leaders are doing is weighing this up and choosing sides, the gangsters like Erdogan always side with the biggest ugliest brute.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 28 2024 17:48 utc | 86
Ceasefire ,"largely holding" says press TV...some breaches by IDF....eg some Lebanese returning to the south were targeted by IDF tanks because they did not have "permission" from IDF.....IE anyone can still be labelled suspicious undesirable a potential Hezbollah maybe..without proof..?
Is that part of the ceasefire that citizens are vetted by IDF? Remember many thousands of Palestinians held by IDF in torture camps without being charged.Same thing?
Posted by: Jo | Nov 28 2024 17:56 utc | 87
@ LightYearsFromHome | Nov 28 2024 17:48 utc | 86
interesting speculation... i don't think russia is going to sit by idly while usa-israel goes after iran... the neo con loons do dream up some crazy shit though...
Posted by: james | Nov 28 2024 18:04 utc | 88
The ceasefire is to give Trump some ability to fulfill his promise to end the wars both in the middle east and in Ukraine however unlikely. If Hizbollah is blowing up Israel every day he can only escalate. The ceasefire provides some small chance that Trump wishes to deescalate. Of course knowing Trump he will blow everthing up just because Its Biden brokered like he did the JCPOA. Inherent to the ceasefire is a possible truth that any cessation of the genocide in Gaza can only come from USA pressure. This will never be overt only behind closed doors. The ceasefire is a attempt to avoid WW3 by Iran. The ceasefire is inherently a capitulation and that capitulation is significant. The capitulation provides Trump with a opening if his promise to end the wars was truthful. The ceasefire could possibly be considered a attempt to avoid WW3. The attack from Iran has not happened. Iran is trying very hard to avoid a world war that will be catastrophic for all nations. Jan 20 is a Rubicon moment. If it turns out Trump is just a lieing neocon then Russia Iran and China will resign themselves to world war but they dont wish circumstances that tie Trumps hands.
The north third of Gaza being depopulated is a done deal but perhaps there is some wiggle room on the fate of the the other two thirds.
Posted by: Fred | Nov 28 2024 18:09 utc | 89
Mastameta | Nov 28 2024 11:22 utc | 14 ....
You seem to have forgotten a few years ago (when Erdogan was openly advocating a Turkish caliphate -- with him as top dog, of course -- all the way to China) .... Erdogan called the Israelis cousins of the Turks, and Netanyahu happily agreed.
Which made absolute bullshit of the Israeli claim to be the ancient inhabitants of the Middle East, and therefore entitled to own most of it.
In the frequently -- by Zionists and so-called Judeo-Christians -- cited Biblical times, the Turks were actually far away, somewhere to the north-west of China. They moved west into what is now Turkey much later on.
There certainly weren't any Turks in present day Turkey in Roman times.
But some of the post-biblical Khazarians were, perhaps, more likely to be related to Turks.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 28 2024 18:21 utc | 90
Al Manar live feed;
Lebanese Army: Israeli enemy targeted our territories with different weapons, and we are following up its violations with the competent authorities
18:37 Lebanese Army: Israeli enemy breached ceasefire several times yesterday and today
Posted by: Exile | Nov 28 2024 18:22 utc | 91
Video in tweet is about a minute and a half long. This is how the people in Gaza are forced to live:
The UN sends a reminder that more than two million people are now trapped in the Gaza Strip with little access to food and no access to safe drinking water.
âFood is scarce, and famine is imminent. Most of Gazaâs water supply is unsafe to drink. With nowhere to go, families are living in abandoned homes or out in the open,â the UN said.
Posted by: teri | Nov 28 2024 18:29 utc | 92
The whole idea that occupation or genocide or ethnic cleansing is illegal doesn't seem to exist any more, despite the very recent statements from various courts and the UN. Also tossed is any notion that the Palestinians should be allowed to resist occupation or to pick their own political parties and government.
Here's Egypt telling Palestine to give up:
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Egypt has informed Hamas that its demand that Israel fully withdraw from Gaza as part of a ceasefire is no longer realistic, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal.
According to the report, Israel plans to spend "years" in the Gaza Strip.
Egypt has also told Hamas to assume that Israel will have a veto over whoever governs the enclave after the war.
And here's Ben Gvir saying the disgusting crap he always does, but I wonder what he means by "re-occupy" - when did they de-occupy Gaza?:
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Israel's National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir wrote on X that Israel must "reoccupy Gaza" and impose a "voluntary emigration" of Palestinians out of the beseiged enclave.Â
Ben Gvir also slammed Israel's ceasefire in Lebanon.
He said the Lebanon deal was "being violated repeatedly" since Wednesday. "We must not stop! We must continue until absolute victory."
Turning to Gaza, he wrote that Israel has "a historic opportunity" to "reoccupy the Gaza Strip, and encourage the voluntary emigration of Israel's enemies".Â
Posted by: teri | Nov 28 2024 18:57 utc | 93
Cynic@1821
The Khazars, originally a Turco-Ugrian people, were highly aggressive in their earlier centuries and conquered and absorbed, perhaps mostly the surviving females, including Armenians, Georgians, other Caucasian tribes and numbers of Slavic tribes whom they absorbed, with the more refractory ones being sold in the Mediterranean slave-markets.
How they came to speak Yiddish, a corrupted form of German, probably eventuated by German speaking Jewish traders. Their Kagan (ruler) converted them to TALMUDISTICAL Judaism in ca 740 Anus Dominated. Their rabbinical classes, the Aharonites, became a part of the ruling elite, rarely intermarrying with the plain old Yids. Proof of that is to be found in Fiddler on the Roof: Yenta the matchmaker speaking: "...and SHE would marry the Rabbi's SON!!!"
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 19:32 utc | 94
Apropos Slum Lord Commander Trump's pick of neocon theorist & longtime practitioner, the (retired - ha ha) superhawk General Keith Kellogg as 'envoy for Ukraine and Russia':
Only idiots don't know Trump's picks are deep state picks because Trump is owned by the deep state. Thinking 101.
American Fascism like all the other fascism allows but one (inhuman) leader.
Posted by: elmagnostic | Nov 28 2024 19:38 utc | 95
Jo@1746
Cyprus: Could be that the R.U. is evaluating its options for the next switching administered by their Hazel Wand. Since Perfidious Albion appears to be the eye of the Cabal Octopus; perhaps that British airbase in Cyprus would be their initial strike on those longtime haters of Russia. Any U$$A aircraft and personnel parked at that scene would be merely "collateral damage" to the designated attack-dog for the Talmudist imperium
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 19:39 utc | 96
Dave@1738
Long-planned by the Talmudist Khazarian imperium is that long-suffering Ukraine is currently being depopulated so that in case of flight from Occupied Palestine; the bulk of the Pale of Settlement will once again be a Talmudist paradise.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 19:42 utc | 97
Eighthman@1734
Balloons is a good idea. Perhaps their "cargos" would feature shovels, #2 spades and entrenching tools. Digging in deeply, the Gaza folk would not be effected by Izzy shrapnel and only affected by direct hits. Another advantage would be that the wintry cold which is killing as many as the starvation regimen and no access to potable water, would be obviated in part by deep digging, where the earth is a comfy 55 degrees F. Numerous lives could be saved by even hot air balloons which would have drone-directed drops of the shovels all across Gaza.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 28 2024 19:50 utc | 98
aristodemos @ 96
Cyprus
Hmm, interesting thinking, outside of Eastern EU. Given Erdogan's recent bowing down to Israel's and NATO's command, maybe Incirlik? So few Oreshnik, so many targets.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 28 2024 19:53 utc | 99
Posted by: saner | Nov 28 2024 20:05 utc | 100
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