Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 4, 2024
Presidential Election 2024

"Neither is qualified. Both deserve to lose."

Video: Prof. Jeffrey Sachs Q & A at Cambridge Union as published on Oct 30 2024

Starting at 48:06 min (automated transcript, slightly edited):

Sachs:

I will not vote for a candidate that doesn't meet the minimum threshold for being president of the United States and we have two candidates, lead candidates, that don't. And so I decided I'm not voting – period. Because I want a candidate that actually has some possibility of doing something.

Now maybe they will but not based on what they say every day.

It is a profession of love for Israel's murderous reign in the Middle East. Okay, by itself I wouldn't support that. That's enough for me because Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza and it's sickening and it's obvious and we see it every day. And if a candidate can't figure out to say something about then I can't support them. Period.

But then Kamala Harris, who would normally be my candidate because I was a lifelong Democratic Party voter. Although with great disappointment whether they won or lost. Because when they won I was disappointed with what they did. When they lost I was disappointed that my candidate lost. So I've never been happy for a while about us politics.

It's been five miserable presidents as far as I'm concerned from Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, awful all of them. They brought us to the brink of nuclear war. I can't forgive them for that kind of recklessness.

But when it comes to Ukraine Harris says we stand with Ukraine. Just everybody understand what does it mean to stand with Ukraine, like Boris Johnson stands with Ukraine. It means 2,000 Ukrainians killed or wounded severely every single day. That's not standing with Ukraine. That is standing with the destruction of Ukraine. It's exactly the opposite. And so that's a purely Orwellian idea that we're standing with Ukraine by continuing this war.

And that's what she says because she doesn't seem to have any idea other than what she's told to say or she says her ideas. And either way I can't vote for her.

And with Trump – don't even get me started.

So the answer is I don't see either of them based on what they're saying right now doing much.

But I think there's another point that is important in this. I'm not without hope for a quite different reason and that is that our politics is not determined by American presidents. Our politics is determined by the Security State apparatus. And what is happening right now is not in America's security interest and so they could change their mind.

President Putin said something actually very interesting in an interview in 2017, I think in Figaro. By the time he had three presidents as his counterparts, Bush, Obama and Trump, and he said to this French reporter in 2017.

He said: "You know I've dealt with three American presidents. Now they come into office with ideas but then men in dark suits and blue ties come to tell them how the real situation is and you never hear of those ideas again."

And this is from a very tough-minded leader who was himself KGB he understands how the American system works very well. He understands what the CIA means for American foreign policy. He understands that American foreign policy is very deeply rooted.

It's not this one wins then Obama changes everything and then Trump comes in and changes nothing like that. By the way this has been a consistent foreign policy arguably since 19 certainly since 1991 and arguably since 1945.

– end of Jeffrey Sachs quote

Comments

And there goes Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 6 2024 6:27 utc | 501

Okay. Barring extremely blatant cheating now, it’s Trump. Hard to see how it could even be cheated at this point.
Posted by: Tichy | Nov 6 2024 6:15 utc | 495
Challenge accepted! Never underestimate the DNC, if they annul the votes of 6.000.000 North Koreans that were sent by Russia to tamper with the us elections… kamel still has a chance (sarcasm intended … I hope)

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 6 2024 6:27 utc | 502

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 6 2024 3:28 utc | 469
As a veritable and honorable “Mexican” myself (various term of endearment nicknames), I do have to ask you, as it piqued my curiosity, what the heck is a “quesadilla maker”?!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 6:27 utc | 503

And there goes Pennsylvania.
Posted by: Tichy | Nov 6 2024 6:27 utc | 501
And there’s always Alaska , it’s over!

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 6 2024 6:29 utc | 504

Okay. Barring extremely blatant cheating now, it’s Trump. Hard to see how it could even be cheated at this point.
Posted by: Tichy | Nov 6 2024 6:15 utc | 495
Idiots in EU talking about “cheating” in American politics is a laughable subject. Would that you were aware of the legalized/codified means that the right (including centrist Democrats) have of cheating others including the left, Democrat voters and others in this country. Good god, are you done with whining about being banned/shadowbanned finally and onto straight up regurgitating Trump’s lies from 2020 while doubting the Democrats’ lies from 2016?
I wish I had a reason to care about fucking Norwegian politics the amount of time people like you spend here bitching about ours.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 6:30 utc | 505

wow deerbprn michigan, big muslim vote: harris 14% , trump 49%, stein 35%.
Black people 20% Trump, black men, 25%. Most Latino county in America, 97% Trump. Women, 43% Trump.
I was wrong, the pro choice women did not come out like they always do.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 6 2024 6:38 utc | 506

I was wrong, the pro choice women did not come out like they always do.
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 6 2024 6:38 utc | 506
They finally realized the Dims have been lying about that all these years too.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 6:40 utc | 507

Tom_QQ @505
Show me a post of me “whining about getting banned,” monkey.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 6 2024 6:43 utc | 508

Show me a post of me “whining about getting banned,” monkey.
Posted by: Tichy | Nov 6 2024 6:43 utc | 508
Nearly your entire ‘catalog’ at MOA, dumbfuck. Thing is a lot of them literally were deleted because you’re so insufferable and spent so much time posting links of short videos of yourself that you made out to be intimidating challenges to fights on YouTube.
Or do I have it all wrong and you’re a ‘different’ tichy now, tough guy?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 6:47 utc | 509

@503 Tom
The most lazy and redundant cooking gadget on the planet. Basically, it enables you to walk away from a quesadilla (it cooks on both sides).

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 6 2024 6:48 utc | 510

Pfff I use a toaster oven and it works fine

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 6 2024 6:50 utc | 511

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 6 2024 6:48 utc | 510
Ah, so like a George Foreman grill but only for tortillas? Where do you even get something like that?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 6:50 utc | 512

@ 512 tom
https://www.thespruceeats.com/best-quesadilla-makers-4150350

Posted by: james | Nov 6 2024 6:52 utc | 513

“I was wrong, the pro choice women did not come out like they always do.”
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 6 2024 6:38 utc | 506
At least you are man enough to admit your mistake.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 6 2024 6:54 utc | 514

james and Nemesis:
LOL! that’s hilarious. I had no idea there were waffle-irons for quesadillas. And I love me a good quesadilla, on both corn and flour (I bet I could make either of you the best you’ve ever had in either format!).
Makes me happy to know that you northerners have embraced a bit of Mexican or Tex-Mex “cuisine” and that there are devices manufactured specifically for it.
But I promise either of you that I can make the meanest quesadilla you’ve ever had with just a seasoned iron skillet and some care along with some secret ingredients were you ever to travel to Texas.
Cheers to a possible Trump detente over Ukraine!!! (and hopes that Bibi doesn’t cynically use Biden/Harris’s lame duck presidency to drag us all into world war regardless).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 6:59 utc | 515

I was wrong, the pro choice women did not come out like they always do.
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 6 2024 6:38 utc | 506
The Dems have been dangling that carrot for too damn long. They had a chance to make it law and they failed.
Now it’s state by state. And the results in the state elections where it was put to a popular vote has been very positive for abortion rights.
Fuck the dems. and their “democracy”.

Posted by: JAB | Nov 6 2024 7:01 utc | 516

@Tom_Q_Collins #420
The Teamsters did not endorse Harris – because their members clearly did not agree on that.
Most of the rest: Teacher’s Union lol – might as well be the Communist Party, except replacing the C word with the D word.
Anyway, the fact remains: Trump has won the Presidency. As I repeatedly noted: the Rust Belt swing states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania would be won by one candidate – and that candidate is Trump. 312 looks like it will hit right on the dot.
Harris failed miserably with the working class, the 18-24, the black men, the Hispanics, the Catholics.
The Senate will be dominated by the Republicans – not only dominated, but it is looking real good that I will get paid for betting on 55 or 56+ Republican Senate seats.
It looks like the dinosaur Republican House leadership f’d up a resounding Trump win to possibly lose control of the House.
So your wonderful union endorsements of Harris did not translate into votes – which means those unions are apparently not representative of the blue collar population. So sad.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 7:11 utc | 517

no marijuana legalization in Florida. Trump supported, but Ron Desantis opposed.
:/
Sure fire way to get the populace to hate the police.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 6 2024 7:12 utc | 518

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 7:11 utc | 517
You’re delusional. Virtually every major and minor/local union that made an endorsement at all openly endorsed Harris. The Teamsters couldn’t agree but since when do you support or agree with the UAW/Teamsters?
You’re a fraud GOP propaganda agent pretending to be something else.
Anyone who is dumb enough to think I support, endorse or vote for Corporate Democrats is also not even worth reading past the first sentence.
Yeah so sad that you hate the blue collar population so much. Do you put that on your LinkedIn prior to the many important business trips you take to engage with the well-heeled and well-connected or is it just more closeted/phony pretension such as you exhibit here?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 7:17 utc | 519

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 7:11 utc | 517
P.S. – do you want to repost your statement/quotation on unions and Harris or do you want me to?
“No unions” or “none of the unions” is my recollection. Am I wrong? Did you read the list of major and minor unions that DID endorse her, regardless of the outcome with which I have never once disputed, derided or said anything one way or the other about in terms of reality or legitimacy?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 7:20 utc | 520

@Featherless #466
Nope.
I helped my wife set up a Kalshi account on Sunday evening. Since she was betting, I threw in some money along with hers.
At that time – Trump was only 52% chance to win. That was a slam dunk bet in my view because I believed his chance to win was well over 65%.
By the time November 5 started (today/election day) – the Trump odds had jumped to 57%/58%. Still too low but better.
But the side bets were egregiously wrong.
Sunday night – the favored (highest chance) Senate bet was 51 Republicans at 25%. By start of election day, it had fallen to half that. Similarly , the 54, 55, 56+ Senate Republican bets were 5%, 7%, 5% on Sunday night but had jumped to 12%, 8% and 13% by day start. As of right now – Republicans have 51 Senate seats and are winning in 5 more races.
Let’s move on to the Rust Belt. Pennsylvania was 52% to 54% Trump, but Michigan and Wisconsin were both under 40% for Trump.
I have repeatedly said that no candidate has won only 1 of these 3 states in a Presidential election since 1988 – whoever wins one, wins all of them. Given the general obvious trends favoring Trump, the Michigan and Wisconsin bets were a great way to get odds. I only did not bet because I put my speculative bets on the 55/56+ Senate. As of when I type this: Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have both called for Trump, and Trump is leading in Michigan by 3.8% with 79% reported i.e. not particularly close.
Another egregious failure was JD Vance’s replacement as Senator in Ohio: Moreno. Only a moron could think Moreno was going to lose but the betting markets had Moreno as a significant underdog pretty much until election morning. Moreno won by 3.8% i.e. not that close at all.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 7:24 utc | 521

c1ue takes the cake and door prize for broaching the Red Menace and “communist” threat.
LOL. Living in Commiefornia must be very DDS stress inducing for C1ue Birch McCarthy.
Let’s see you openly and transparently add your derision of the following labor unions to your LinkedIn bio:
The following is an incomplete list of unions that have formally endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris for president of the United States:
Actors’ Equity Association
AFL-CIO
New York State AFL-CIO
Amalgamated Transit Union
American Federation of Government Employees
American Federation of School Administrators
American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME)
American Federation of Musicians
American Federation of Teachers
American Postal Workers Union
Association of Flight Attendants
Communication Workers of America
International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE)
International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers
International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail & Transportation Workers
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW)
International Brotherhood of Teamsters Joint Council 28, Local 186 and Local 572
International Longshore and Warehouse Union
International Organization of Masters, Mates & Pilots
International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers
International Union of Elevator Constructors
International Union of Operating Engineers
International Union of Painters and Allied Trades
Laborers International Union of North America
National Education Association
National Nurses United
National Union of Healthcare Workers
North America’s Building Trades Union
Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union
Seafarers International Union
Service Employees International Union (SEIU)
UNITE HERE
United Auto Workers (multiple locals)
United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America
United Farm Workers
United Food and Commercial Workers International (UFCW)
United Steelworkers
Writers Guild of America West PAC

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 7:25 utc | 522

@515 Tom
Cheers, m8! Quesadillas on Tom in honor of the peace candidate winning? I hope so. But we’ll see.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 6 2024 7:26 utc | 523

Irrespective of how one likes or doesn’t like the big Trump win, I CAN’T WAIT to see the big Dems meltdown and the MSM meltdown about how wrong they all got it. As bad as 2016.
Hilary and Karmala, each severly beaten by the orange rug rat.
MSM thoroughly spanked for their biases and duplicitous “it’s close, it’s close”.
Trumpism was a lurking force of “up yours to the PTB”.

Posted by: ScoobyDoo | Nov 6 2024 7:37 utc | 524

Trump’s spray tan is lookin’ bad!
I’m sure the corporate Dems will make up for it with 4 years of fake Russia conspiracies!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 7:38 utc | 525

Posted by: ScoobyDoo | Nov 6 2024 7:37 utc | 524
Crap, man. “Close”? It was gonna be a BLUE TSUNAMI! LOL

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 7:39 utc | 526

Btc all time high and climbing. It was painfully obvious that musk and the orange one were going to win. So all the eggs for the sionist basket now to bully and ethnic cleanse defenseless Palestinians and quietly dump the Ukraine which was more of a personal Bidet clan project. Chinese and Venezuelans (not the gusanos ones) might not be the happiest right now. Tariffs and sanctions upcoming for them.

Posted by: Mariátegui | Nov 6 2024 7:42 utc | 527

Posted by: Mariátegui | Nov 6 2024 7:42 utc | 527
Yup. More crushing sanctions on Latin American socialist states and more “finish the job” for Bibi and the genocidal maniac Zionists (who c1ue fully and gleefully supports but doesn’t have the intellectual balls to admit) and probably something designed to provoke Iran and/or China into something resembling full-scale war.
Getcha popcorn ready! (and pray for your family and compatriots in the targeted countries)

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 7:44 utc | 528

@Jane #468
I have my views, but regardless of why – the what is without debate:
SF has more homeless than ever. Is dirtier and less safe than ever. Is still horrifically expensive.
Some anecdotes:
1) There used to be literally 6 CVS and 4 Walgreens within 6 blocks of where I live. Now there are 1 and 2, respectively. The previous numbers were way too many, but the latter is way too few.
But that’s secondary to my experience in the one remaining nearby CVS this year alone. I don’t visit that often but I do regularly because it is one of the few places I can get six-packs of Mentos mints for the wife. The 3 times I have bought something from there, there was literally a retail theft each time. Note I am not spending hours in the store – we are talking 10 minutes or so per visit. I have visited more than 3 times – probably 4 or 5 times in addition – but these don’t count because I am in the store even less time due to lack of inventory. The display area with the mints and gum was literally empty the other times due to retail theft until they put in yet another locked glass cabinet. The 2nd visit – an apparently visiting black man had to ask a retail clerk to unlock the refrigerator with the 20 ounce bottles of soda. He asked why these are locked – the clerk said that if this was not done, the case would be empty. The 1st theft – I walked in just in time to see a man grab a double handful of gum and candies from in front of the checkout counter and saunter out. I asked the clerk if this happened a lot – they said that they see that specific guy over and over again. Even when arrested, he gets out within a day or two and comes right back.
2) I don’t even bother keeping a car anymore – I ride public transit while in the City, full time. The problem is that this is increasingly dangerous for people who are not 6 foot, 250 pounds (not all fat) like me. For example: a black woman and her young child (under 6, still using a stroller) asked a black man if he could let the child sit. He not only refused, he started verbally abusing and threatening her.
Another case, just last week: I crossed literally 2/3rds of the city because that’s where the nearest Smart & Final store is. On my way back, a white man got on the bus and started to curse and threaten the Asian women sitting near him in the middle of the bus, as well as spitting repeatedly all around him onto seats, the bus walls and the floor. After 10 minutes of this, I told him to shut up as we had no interest in his rants. He started for me, but then he realized I would beat his ass so he went to the other (front) side of the bus and continued his crap. After getting off in the Tenderloin (of course), he threw a can or some such at the window behind my head; I knew he was going to try some shit like that so I was watching him as he did it.
To the above: throw in the need to literally always watch the sidewalk in front of you as you walk around because of the frequent human and dog poop; the smell of piss everywhere, even in the nice waterfront area I live in and despite the daily power washing that the condo maintenance staffs do every morning; the broken glass from car window breakins – well, it isn’t too hard to see why people are not happy with the way things are going.
My friends are precisely the type of liberal you would expect of SF but they are spitting mad at what is going on and told me specifically to vote out London Breed – one of the latest Willie Brown ex-girlfriends (Kamala is one of the earlier ones).

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 7:45 utc | 529

“For example: a black woman and her young child (under 6, still using a stroller) asked a black man if he could let the child sit. He not only refused, he started verbally abusing and threatening her.”
LOL “under 6 still using a stroller” – are you “AI”?
How many kids under 3 or 4 use a stroller?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 7:49 utc | 530

@Tom_QQ
So no link. Got it. Surprising to see you think all I post is challenges to fights.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 6 2024 7:50 utc | 531

As I mentioned, America is full of consumerists and failed coup rejects.
All that Latino immigration brought a bunch of anti communists in, because America overthrows and sanctions Socialist nations almost exclusively.
I have also noticed, Latinos are not big fans of Putin. Communism vs capitalism is a hot issue for central and south America.
Black men, well, I think a lot of them got sick of the pandering and generalizations. 20% of black vote is amazing high, all things considered. 25% of black men I think meant a 2 -1 ratio of black men vs black women voting Trump.
I am happy to see the race issue getting strangled, but not sure I am cool with right wing Latino power, especially if they are pro-topple the newest south american socialist government.
Also, the casta system is still alive and well today on the Latino community, I dont really want to get i to it, but there was a time Latinos were struggling in large numbers to be officially recognized as a higher shade of white.
I am guessing this may be the beginning of the end of woke power. So some good may come from results… maybe.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 6 2024 7:50 utc | 532

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8s-Xx7aJsg

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 7:51 utc | 533

So no link. Got it. Surprising to see you think all I post is challenges to fights.
Posted by: Tichy | Nov 6 2024 7:50 utc | 531
How’s about this: you post your YouTube links yourself. I certainly didn’t bookmark ’em. I seem to remember you standing in some kind of sloppy workshop and ranting at the camera. The only reason I saw ’em was you posted them in a threatening manner to another MOA poster.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 7:53 utc | 534

@Tom_Q_Collins #492
I am always amused that people like you think you know me.
You don’t know diddly – much as clearly don’t know diddly about developing actual working technology or identifying actual technological progress.
I am constantly in awe of just how unquestioningly you accept the nonsense that gets passed off as “progress”.
Anyway, now that Trump has swept the 2024 Presidential election – well over 300 electoral votes probably topping out at 312; very likely to win the popular vote – certainly it won’t be a big difference if somehow 4.5 million more Democrat voters magically appear from the West; the Senate is going to be absolutely dominated by the Republicans.
Only the House might potentially slip from Republican control due to Mike Johnson’s incompetence.
But either way – look forward to more Trump appointed Supreme Court justices.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 7:57 utc | 535

For those interested in the abortion rights issue, very good night. Several more pending but wins already in Missouri, Colorado, Maryland, in Missouri will overturn ban currently in place. In Arizona it looks like constitutional amendment will pass: “This proposition [#139] would amend the state Constitution to establish a fundamental right to the procedure, limiting the state’s power to interfere with this right before fetal viability.” (NY Times)…Though 57% in Florida voted for it, 60% was req. in Florida for a constitutional amendment. Sadly, Gov. DeSantis is rabidly anti-abortion. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-florida-amendment-4-right-to-abortion.html… AP, “Abortion-rights advocates win in 4 states, clear way to overturn Missouri ban but lose in Florida:”…” Voters in Missouri cleared the way to undo one of the nation’s most restrictive abortion bans in one of four victories Tuesday for abortion rights advocates, while Florida defeated a similar constitutional amendment, leaving in place a law barring most abortions after the first six weeks of pregnancy.
Abortion rights amendments also passed in Colorado and Maryland. Another that bans discrimination on the basis of “pregnancy outcomes” prevailed in New York.
Results were still pending in five other states with abortion measures on the ballot.
The Missouri and Florida results represent firsts in the abortion landscape, which underwent a seismic shift in 2022 when the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, a ruling that ended a nationwide right to abortion
and cleared the way for bans to take effect in most Republican-controlled states.
Missouri is positioned to be the first state where a vote will undo a ban that’s already in place. Currently, abortion is barred at all stages of pregnancy with an exception only when a medical emergency puts the woman’s life at risk. Under the amendment, lawmakers would be able to restrict abortions past the point of a fetus’ viability — usually considered after 21 weeks, although there’s no exact defined time frame.”…https://www.marketwatch.com/story/abortion-rights-advocates-win-in-4-states-clear-way-to-overturn-missouri-ban-but-lose-in-florida-884b5cd..
The GOP Establishment loved being being the “anti abortion party,” loved that it caused them to lose elections, won’t easily give it up. By protecting abortion rights, voters in states have given new life to the GOP. Abortion should never have been a political issue. Reagan and Bush made me sick by constantly complaining about abortion. It was none of their business. I see that Virginia went to Ms. Harris tonight. GOP Gov. Youngkin and Va. state legislators were cavalierly and grotesquely anti-abortion. I hope they get blame for losing the state to democrats.

Posted by: susan mullen | Nov 6 2024 7:58 utc | 536

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 7:57 utc | 535
At what point do you start hitting us with mOrE FeeGURezz and eQUaSHUNz to JooSTIFy yer learned and superior knowledge (to include your easily proven and debunked lies about unions), c1ue?
I don’t think I know you. I know I know you and you’re a fucking phony. Now as ever.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 7:59 utc | 537

@Tom_Q_Collins #519
Nope – I actually look at the votes.
Only idiots like you think that diktats from corrupt union heads actually translate into real votes.
The numbers have been clear for months now: the blue collar, the union, the working class – most of them support Trump over Harris, whatever the heads say.
Look at the resounding Trump wins in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.
Look at the Trump massive popular vote showing – I think it is a done deal that Trump is going to win the popular vote, so even that cope won’t be available for the TDS like you – but I will admit that only time will tell.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 8:01 utc | 538

“…developing actual working technology or identifying actual technological progress.”
lol

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 8:02 utc | 539

@UWDude #532
I call bullshit on your nonsense.
Putin is not even remotely a Communist, and to try and then build from that – the notion that Hispanics hate Putin because he is a Communist is the type of garbage I would expect from a National Endowment for Democracy spiel.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 8:04 utc | 540

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 8:01 utc | 538
No, dumbass. You literally said, straight up, that no unions endorsed Harris. That isn’t a subtle or nuanced comment about how the actual membership works or what individuals think. It’s a blanket statement and one that was not only factually and easily provably false, but one that belied your desired image here as someone who says what he means and does so with care. You’re a liar. A partisan liar on a mission. And that makes you even more pathetic given how terrible the party against which you devote so much of your effort really is. The Corporate Dumbocrats. Only a total moron would come to MOA and speak to us as if any of us support, let alone enthusiastically cheer for them.
Off to GOP headquarters with you. You’ve been the exact same since Bush and Cheney were in office. And if you deny that, then you’re also a bald faced liar.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 8:06 utc | 541

@Tom_Q_Collins #537
I don’t need to prove a thing, because I have 2+ decades of successful technology deployments in a range of fields.
You, on the other hand, are clearly a Dunning Krueger type insecure individual.
Maybe you are very successful at marketing or sales or some other function – it certainly isn’t anything remotely involving atoms.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 8:07 utc | 542

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 8:07 utc | 542
lol you’re really kinda dumb too aren’t you. Atoms. ha ha ha ha!!!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 8:09 utc | 543

From Trump’s Victory Speech
“I’m not going to start wars, I’m going to stop wars…Promises made, promises kept.”
We’ll see.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 6 2024 8:09 utc | 544

@Tom_QQ
Define “threatening manner.” I linked the post because the person who argued with me told me I wasn’t a worker.
@UWdude
It’s been the reverse in Sweden, though our immigration wave from Latin America was most prominent in the seventies. Overwhelmingly Socialists fleeing from fascist juntas. Good people. Integrated very well.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 6 2024 8:10 utc | 545

@Tom_Q_Collins
Yep, I’m so dumb that I predicted Trump’s electoral college result ahead of time – against all of the mainstream consensus.
I’m so dumb that I’m going to win at least 15 to 1 long shots because I predicted a Republican Senate rout.
You, on the other hand, are so smart that you apparently thought Kamala had a prayer of winning.
LOLOLOLOL

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 8:11 utc | 546

Lastly, the increasingly open anti-Semitism of so much of the MoA commentariat is appalling. Sure some Jews are in the ruling class, most are not. Most ruling class members are not Jewish. “Jews” are not all powerful behind the scenes. There are many conspiracies in history, but history is not a conspiracy. And for the umpteenth time, the tail does not wag the dog.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 5 2024 15:02 utc | 366

Excellent contribution, as usual.

Posted by: Lengai | Nov 6 2024 8:12 utc | 547

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 8:11 utc | 546
Good God. Stop digging. I predicted every presidential result correctly since 2000 including the fraud and Kamala’s loss. Do you have some sort of brain malfunction? When did I predict Kamala would win in this alternate universe you’re living in, ya fraud?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 8:13 utc | 548

@Tom_Q_Collins
And not only did I predict correctly, I have been saying Trump would win over 300 electoral college and likely around 312 for at least 2 weeks.
But that’s the thing about Dunning Krueger types – they not only think too much of their own, frequently nonexistent, skills – they cannot recognize when other people demonstrate superior skills.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 8:15 utc | 549

Haha, but I am amused by how we got from “atoms! I understand ATOMS you marketing loser!” to “I predicted Trump would win the Electoral College!”
It’s amusing. I’ll say that. And….ATOMS! (one presumes c1ue means the MCDE or some other semiconductor sector where she’s a “leader in thought and technology advancement” or another bullshit LinkedIn catch phrase that replaces her absolute hatred for the working class).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 8:17 utc | 550

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 8:04 utc | 540
I know, yet, there is a very deep haye of Putin among Latinos… …and it is like a weird leftover from hating communism, like they just hate Russia for supporting socialists back in tne days.
And it must be kept in mind, chile and Argentina have quite violent regimes in recent history, esp right wing. In fact much of South American history is quite fractured and violent, some of it ideological politics, and some of it grudge politics. The violence makes it passionate and personal.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 6 2024 8:18 utc | 551

Internet Deeb8 Skillz 102:
KeEp RePEAting “Dunning Kreuger”…
Tellin’ y’all – Ekwashunzz are coming up shortly…standby.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 8:19 utc | 552

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 6 2024 8:10 utc | 545
That’s actually pretty interesting.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 6 2024 8:20 utc | 553

What I’m most thankful for tonight is that Trump is a lame duck and can never run for pres. again. I’d be looking for a good candidate for 2028 but neocons are hopelessly embedded in US gov. So I’m looking for a candidate who’ll promote peaceful breakup of the US. The only hope for ending US taxpayer funded global genocide is for US breakup into 3 or 4 separate countries. Forget DeSantis, he’s as bad a warmonger and Russia-hater as Mike Pompeo, Tom Cotton, Marco Rubio, McCain, Lindsey Graham, Nuland, Kagan, and Trump himself, as his actions have shown.

Posted by: susan mullen | Nov 6 2024 8:22 utc | 554

This is a global victory. Americans have proven their humanity by not giving Democrats a mandate to continue the genocide.

Posted by: Willow | Nov 6 2024 8:29 utc | 555

@UW_dude
We have practically zero Cubans here, as in I never met a single one in my life.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 6 2024 9:06 utc | 556

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 6 2024 9:06 utc | 556
makes sense. i just think sweden would be an odd place for latino leftists to flee too. But Sweden was very leftist, while spain was unstable, so i guess it makes sense.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 6 2024 9:10 utc | 557

Crap, man. “Close”? It was gonna be a BLUE TSUNAMI! LOL
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 6 2024 7:39 utc | 526
Sorry if we had a mix up. I meant — THIS YEAR the polls and media said close-close. But you’re right, in 2016 they said a blue tsunami. But their close-close this time was just preventative cope against a “little” Trump win! But they got smacked again. Lol.

Posted by: ScoobyDoo | Nov 6 2024 9:41 utc | 558

There has never been a better time to check out the bleatings of the Daily Kos sheeple. 😁😁😁

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 6 2024 10:34 utc | 559

My friends are precisely the type of liberal you would expect of SF but they are spitting mad at what is going on and told me specifically to vote out London Breed – one of the latest Willie Brown ex-girlfriends (Kamala is one of the earlier ones).
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 7:45 utc | 529
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I have been appalled at videos of the retail theft going on.
Now when I meet people who live in SF I just look at them, wide-eyed. What a sorry, sorry decline.
I am especially sad to hear of the degradation of public transit. I was quite a fan of the BART system when I needed to spend time in Berkeley because my elderly father lived in Section 8 housing there.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 6 2024 15:40 utc | 560

Having a bit of trouble with my computer this evening, so I hope this posts – Jane, you really should watch that video!
{Ow! … Ducks, protecting head with nearby pillow}
Posted by: juliania | Nov 6 2024 4:32 utc | 475
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A stupid little postlet.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 6 2024 15:46 utc | 561

Posted by: susan mullen | Nov 6 2024 7:58 utc | 536
Indeed. This was very good news and a clear indication of where change has to come from going forward: from the bottom to the top.
Workers of the world…

Posted by: JAB | Nov 6 2024 16:22 utc | 562

Posted by: Willow | Nov 6 2024 8:29 utc | 555
Well it’s a mixed message. I mean I’m certain that one of the many reasons Harris lost is her unconditional support for Israel. The Democratic party needs to hear that loud and clear…if they care.
But while Trump is not interested in starting WWIII, he also supports Israel unconditionally.

Posted by: JAB | Nov 6 2024 16:25 utc | 563

But while Trump is not interested in starting WWIII, he also supports Israel unconditionally.
True, but Trump didn’t need that demographic, whereas Harris likely did.
Having said that, I think Harris actually won a greater share of the Jewish vote (?)

Posted by: ConscriptionTheorist | Nov 6 2024 19:42 utc | 564