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November 8, 2024
‘Pogrom’ Against Hooligans Accusations Follow A Zionist Propaganda Scheme

There are two recurring schemes in pro-Zionist propaganda:

  • In any conflict the Zionists (or Jews) are always the victims.
  • Conflicts with Zionists always occur out of nowhere, i.e without any provocations and outside of any context. They are thus pure anti-semitism.

On October 7 2023, following provocations of radical Zionists at the Al Aqsa mosque, Hamas soldiers and random Gazans broke from their open air prison and attempted to take Israeli hostages. These were to be exchanged for Arab prisoners in Israeli hands. During the operation the Israeli military ordered its forces to follow the Hannibal directive which says that any potential Israeli hostage shall be killed before it is taken to Gaza.

Various reports have since shown that the majority of those killed on that day were Arabs from Gaza. The majority of Israeli casualties of that day were caused by the Israeli military, primarily by its helicopter forces which fired Hellfire missiles and machine cannons against random cars fleeing the scene.

But the Zionist friendly media reported the Hamas excursion as unprovoked. It seemed to have happened without any context. But there is a context of more then 70 years of expulsion and killing of Arabs up to today.

It also depicted the killed Israeli as the victims killed by the Arab attackers even as Israel's own military admitted that it had killed a large share of them.

A recent incident in Amsterdam follows a similar scheme.

Israel decries ‘pogrom’ in Amsterdam as soccer fans come under attack by riotersTimes of Israel, Nov 8 2024
All Israelis accounted hours after 10 injured, many besieged in hotels as gangs of hooligans — apparently Muslims and Arabs — ambush, beat Israelis after game

The headline suggests that:

  • The Zionist 'soccer fans' were the sole victims.
  • There was no context, i.e. the attack was presumably unprovoked.

Both points are, of course, wrong.

Some context, not mention in recent reports, can be found in a three days old Jerusalem Post report:

Just in case: Mossad agents to join Maccabi Tel Aviv FC trip to AmsterdamJPost, Nov 5 2024

After a disappointing 1-0 league loss to Ironi Kiryat Shmona, Maccabi Tel Aviv is refocusing on European competition, set to face Ajax in Amsterdam on Thursday night.

As with all Israeli teams playing in Europe over the past year, security concerns are paramount. On Tuesday, Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf reported that, in addition to Maccabi’s regular security personnel, Mossad agents will join the team in Amsterdam to provide maximum protection.

Maccabi fans are long known for their racist behavior:

In 2014, a group [of Maccabi] fans reportedly shouted racist slurs in the direction of Mahran Radi, an Arab-Israeli who was then playing for the club. Graffiti was also sprayed around Tel Aviv.

It allegedly said "we don't want Arabs at Maccabi!" and "Radi is dead".

In June, Israel’s “Kicking Out Racism” initiative tried to quantify the amount of racist language used by the fans of various football clubs. They found that Maccabi was second only to Beitar Jerusalem in terms of the quantities witnessed by researchers.

It is alleged those same sentiments were on display in Amsterdam this week, with fans chanting racist slogans, as well as refusing to mark a minute’s silence for the victims of the flooding in Spain.

Minor riots with Maccabi fans actually took place on two nights. On the night of the 6th to 7th November, a day before a game against Ajax Amsterdam, hooligan soccer fans of Maccabi Tel Aviv, presumably under Mossad 'protection', teared down Palestinian flags from private Dutch dwellings (video) and attacked Dutch taxi drivers of Arab descent:

Taxi Driver @DutchTaxiDriver – 2:55 UTC · Nov 7, 2024

Schandalig en onacceptabel: een Amsterdamse taxichauffeur aangevallen en mishandeld door Maccabi hooligans. Dit geweld moet stoppen. Steun voor onze chauffeurs die onze stad draaiende houden, ook in moeilijke tijden. #StopGeweld #Amsterdam #RespectVoorChauffeurs #Ajax

Outrageous and unacceptable: an Amsterdam taxi driver attacked and abused by Maccabi hooligans. This violence must stop. Support our drivers who keep our city running, even in difficult times. #StopGeweld #Amsterdam #RespectVoorChauffeurs #Ajax
Video

As The British Mail Online reported yesterday:

Israeli football hooligans tore down Palestine flags as they marched through Amsterdam in a Wednesday night of chaos ahead of Maccabi Tel Aviv's visit to Ajax.

Videos show dozens of hooded figures dressed fully in black cheering and chanting 'f*** you Palestine' and 'ole' as one climbed halfway up the front of a building and removed a flag on the Rokin, a major street.

Footage also shows one thug thumping a taxi with crowbar before the driver takes off, while there have been reported clashes between the visiting hooligans and cabbies.

Meanwhile, clips shared by a prominent pro-hooligan page depict bust-ups purported to be between Maccabi fans and a group of Moroccan Ajax supporters.

On the evening of November 7 Maccabi Tel Aviv lost its game against Ajax Amsterdam. Ajax won 5 to 0.

Before the game a minute of silence was asked for victims of flooding in Spain. The Mossad directed Maccabi hooligans ignored it.

After the game more scuffles and riots reportedly happened. But this time the Zionist hooligans were apparently in a minority against a group of pro-Palestinian Ajax fans and had to flee to their hotels.

Today the justified action against the outrageous, Mossad protected, behavior of Maccabi hooligans is called a progrom.

A convenient result for the Mossad people who have planned and incited this provocation.

Comments

DunGroanin @ 202
Ther seems to be a delay in posting and apearence of comments at the momment.
It could be b monitoring closely as this is such a senseitive subject.
Or it could be ‘outsiders’ wink wink.
Give your first attempt a little time to apear and if it dosent try again.
Becouse your comments are always valuble.
Respect.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 9 2024 12:51 utc | 201

Thanks Mark perhaps too long – I start writing and … part 1 has appeared instantly , part two still in jail. Maybe I’ll break that into further parts. Don’t want to cause b unnecessary work.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 9 2024 12:58 utc | 202

Part 3 now.
So to the main purpose of the lengthy exposition.
In the sports stadiums and the streets with the now multiracial multiethnic fans as happened in Amsterdam. It’s clear that those locals don’t like the mass murder, attempted final total extermination of Palestine and genocide of its Peoples.
They hate it as much as any right thinking human that sees the injustice and evil murder of innocents would. The urge is to help them and stand up against the ultra violent thugs.
So. How about a match between Tottenham Hotspur at their great most advanced new stadium that hosts American Football and Rugby too in north London and the Maccabi Tel Aviv ziofascist illegal apartheid entity team and its fans, IOF on leave and Mossad mass murderers of unarmed civilians most of whom are women and children (70%).
Settle it with songs and if necessary sticks and stones if the settler colonialists fans want to start that on our streets of North London. We saw off their agit prop state supported Tommy EDL ZioSupporter gangs, just a few months ago when they tried to start a riot.
Again the masses would turn up in support of Palestinians anyway and David Lammy and sHerr Starmztrooper and the whole ziofascist owned government and Opposition would be revealed as the bare arsed tools to the watching world.
There is no argument about who are the real xenophobic racist supremacists and whom the anti fascist protesters that go by the name of the Yid Army – Oi Oi ! Or their equivalents acroos the football fan world.
Bring it on. What says the bar?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 9 2024 13:06 utc | 203

God’s chosen people have invented a very powerful weapon. This weapon is very subtle and turns the weak minds of those they torment into devoted and obedient followers and excuse makers who provide them comfort.
This weapon is called the “judeo-christian” value.

Posted by: chunga | Nov 9 2024 13:26 utc | 204

This weapon is called the “judeo-christian” value.
Posted by: chunga | Nov 9 2024 13:26 utc | 208
… And like any illusion, once you try to grasp it you find there’s nothing there.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 9 2024 13:32 utc | 205

Only the last of the six Dolphin submarines, the Drakon, has an enlarged sail that might be fitted with vertical launch tubes. I don’t think the Drakon has been delivered yet.
Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 9 2024 12:43 utc | 203

“The description of the Sea Beast is found in Revelation chapters thirteen and seventeen. Chapter thirteen gives the fullest description.
It rises out of the sea (Rev 13:1). The four animals of Daniel 7 also arise from the sea, explained as four kingdoms arising from the earth (Dan 7:3, 17). In Revelation, the “many waters” on which the harlot sits are explained as “peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues” (Rev 17:1, 15).
The beast has seven heads and ten horns (Rev 13:1), equal to the total number of heads and horns in Daniel 7, indicating some relationship.
The beast has crowns on its horns (Rev 13:1).
The beast “was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion” (Rev 13:2). These are the first three animals in Daniel 7, but in reverse order.
“The dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority” (Rev 13:2).”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 9 2024 13:36 utc | 206

DunGroanin @ 207
What says the bar.
Mmmm in princble i like it. But…..
At the momment we have the moral high ground,
It would could be what the izzies want.
The best two weapons are….
(1) the truth.
(2) sheer weight of numbers on a peacefull demo.
(3) mass comunication… posters ect ect.
Have you got any good links to actavist sites
in london. I lost mine after they declared antifa a domestic terrorist org.
Ther was a brillant girl called miss duffy on twitter i depended on, she really had her finger on the pulse and fearless, sadly disappered. I need a replacement.
Cheers

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 9 2024 13:38 utc | 207

@ Arch – 209 I am NOT a student of religion and there is no topic on earth I care to think about less than religion. By no choice of my own, however, I AM a student of religious people.
There is no meaningful pushback from those who dwell under the christian umbrella concerning this “judeo-christian” invention of theirs. A small group constantly abusing a large group, and getting away with it all the time, must have a source of power and leverage. This is the only one I can come up with. Let it be known that believe it or not, I have no desire to insult anyone just for the heck of it. I urge those in that community to consider this carefully and immediately and give it very serious debate because what they are collectively doing is destructive and harmful.

Posted by: chunga | Nov 9 2024 13:54 utc | 208

this is really weird…there seems to be in the UK a small but growing movement for Uruv’s. Large community areas eg several square miles in one circumstance are delineated to exempt Jewish peoples from ancient law that their actions are to be limited quite strictly on certain days. Areas will be delineated by pole markers and either side of pathways accessways and the like they are to be 18ft high and joined by “fishing wire” presumably to be some kind of metaphysical or symbolic
connection???
Peoples objecting to this method have been complained to by being accused of antisemitism.
Anyone else come across this???
Could not these peoples wishing to be part of the exemption just be notified by their religious leaders instead?

Posted by: Jo | Nov 9 2024 14:29 utc | 209

Jo @ 210
They did the same thing 15 to 20 years ago,
Its attention seeking setting themselves up as some how exceptional and privaliged.
People disaproved mildly, ignored it and it fizzeled out.
It dosent matter, deliberate distraction to start a diolouge for attention.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 9 2024 14:40 utc | 210

b you are an idiot pr-palestine Ajax fans ? ahahahah, you know the history of Ajax, do you ? no ofc not you are jusat a stupid propaganda troll, and firt of all it is called football not soccer , got it ?
and if you have no clue about the european football, in specific Ultras and Hooligans , better stfu , you idiot

Posted by: acab | Nov 9 2024 14:40 utc | 211

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 9 2024 1:10 utc | 140
well you idiot in the first vid of your link i see a moroc provoking Macabi fans, he is lucky that it is just Macabi , same action against Polish or Hungarain club instead k.o.
all of you idiots should understand what it is all about being a football fan and going on away matches, but you are just propaganda victims,

Posted by: acab | Nov 9 2024 14:48 utc | 212

I urge those in that community to consider this carefully and immediately and give it very serious debate because what they are collectively doing is destructive and harmful.
Posted by: chunga | Nov 9 2024 13:54 utc | 209
Ime, the Judeo-Christians (aka ZioChristians) are brainwashed to such a degree that they may not be reachable. Such is the power of satan who subverted His word via the Sanhedrin & Constantine.
(I’m not a “Christian” in that all the members of their various churches seem to never have actually read, with comprehension, the words of Jesus Christ. I do my best to follow the Way of the Christ.)

Posted by: Mary | Nov 9 2024 14:52 utc | 213

@209 Chunga
As judaism does not see Jesus as the messiah sent to deliver “Israel”, it obviously rejects Christian help, so there is no judeo-christian philosophy so to speak, unless it is Christians trying to prove Jesus was the messiah by delivering “Israel” to jews, just stupid goy basically and their corrupt politicians.
If Jesus was the messiah, I expect he would have now changed his mind about anything to do with “Israel”. If he could handle crucification he could certainly have handled a little rejection. Judaism writes the messiah would be rejected by jews, it didn’t seem to write the outcome of that, except some kind of nuclear war to resolve it all, which everyone is supposed to look forward to. Again, that is not Jesus’ teachings.
So in short, there is no such thing as judeo-christian, it stands for all that does not add up, which is a narrative any imbecile can invent out of anything:
A man in Chelm once thought up a riddle that nobody could answer: “What’s purple, hangs on the wall and whistles?”
When everybody gave up, he announced the answer: a white fish.
“A white fish?” people said. “A white fish isn’t purple.”
“Nu,” replied the jokester, “this white fish was painted purple.”
“But hanging on a wall? Who ever heard of a white fish that hung on a wall?”
“Aha! But this white fish was hung on the wall.”
“But a white fish doesn’t whistle,” somebody shouted.
“Nu, so it doesn’t whistle.”
Entertaining, until it involves mass murder.

Posted by: Ornot | Nov 9 2024 14:56 utc | 214

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 8 2024 12:34 utc | 87
The empire does not want independent economic activity anywhere. Its parasitic mechanism for dominance is simply too vulnerable. [Everyone] does what the empire wants them to do. <= or else! <= the thing that must be understood is the empire is not made up of a single government, or a coalition of governments, nor is it identified to the people that get appointed to lead the governments. Greed transforms governments from devices designed to secure the needs of those it governs to weapons that can be aimed at populations and people who refuse to conform their behaviors and at populations that refuse to accept indoctrination as a substitute for independent logical thinking. The demands that governments express are made by the private Oligarchs on the leaders of the governments, institutions and enterprises. The directors and organizers that explain the behaviors of nations can be found in the group of privately-owned multi-mega corporate economic empires and among the oligarchs who own these economic empires. These empires are highly camaflouged by type, form, shape and look and they are well distributed throughout the global economic space. So it is the collective of these empires that own everything, control everything and decide everything. Politicans are appointed to manage, use and direct governments to be sure the governed populations do as the private owners expect.. When a politican fails the oligarch, he or she is removed. When the people of a nation become restless, the NGOs are sent in, and the media distributed propaganda becomes nearly continuous with life. Its going to take the people, not the governments, not the leaders of industry, not the bankers, not the military or its exgenerals, not the social scientists in the world but instead, its going to take the everyday people to disentangle the bonds and sever the links that bind and synchronize the collective efforts of the various empires and the governments that empire greed controls [There is not just one empire, there are many empires]. There is a whole collection of empires which are lead by the some of the most greedy in the world. The ordinary people of the world are going to have to find ways to respond, to outrageous propaganda and to maldirected government demands that promote violation of, or infringement on, human rights, in ways that backfire and discourage oligarch imposed empire intentions. Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 8 2024 18:14 utc | 54 ..this sense of entitlement.. goes with the take everything, own everything, control everything king of the mountain ideology Posted by: librul | Nov 8 2024 18:38 utc | 58 the CIA/Mossad/FBI/NSA are attacking Musk and Trump, etal. <=Maybe Trump needs to ask his fellow Americans, in his inauguration address, for support and help to deal with these agencies? Posted by: lysias | Nov 8 2024 19:01 utc | 61 US media, including the Washington Post and WTOP news radio in DC, are reporting this story as the Jews being the victims. <=IMO, claims by media of that class serve as prima facia peer reviewed evidence to me that the perpretrators were the Israelis.. thanks. Posted by: Ed | Nov 8 2024 22:44 utc | 108 More than 90% of the US House of Congress and the Senate have declared that Zionism and Judaism are the same. They, and many of the Universities and most of the MSM, now equate anti-Zionism with Anti-Semitism. So, go somewhere else and peeve off on yourself, hypocrite! <=Thank you ED for your post it suggest the Post by: Woodenhue | Nov 8 2024 21:31 utc | 94 "that Zionism should not be equated with jewsishness or with the Jewish Talmud." should be followed. IMO, Zionism is an own everything, control everything, king of the mountain ideology. It seems to have attracted to its cause some of the world's most greedy persons some of whom live in Israel? Religious Zionism is certainly not restricted to Jews there are as many or more Christians subscribers as there are Jewish subscribers who claim to be Zionist..and the Christian religion does not claim its religious principles to be the same as those appearing in Judaism. Posted by: Woodenhue | Nov 8 2024 22:58 utc | 110 I`m sorry that you believe that Congress and the Senate, MSM,and Universities are truthful....maybe someday you will realise that that is not the case... <=Agree! Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 8 2024 23:50 utc | 126 Your statement "Zionism is an essential part of Jewish identity" <=probably to some Jews but it also an essential part of the identity of many Christians. Even so Jewish or Christian identity has little to do with Zionism ? Your statement that Zionism is the belief that Jews have the right to self-determination and a Jewish state in its ancestral home. <=history suggests such a definition to be a WWII invention designed to attract support for the wish or goal that the Jews in Eastern Europe can be convinced to immigrate to Israel. Moreover, your third premise "that the people now called Jews living in Israel are direct lineal descendants of the Biblical Jews" is yet to be proven. Zionism is an ideology; its premise is that all men should be greedy, that quality life is a open only to those few that can become king of the mountain. Its a take-all, own-all, control-all things everywhere, everyplace, all of the time ideology. Zionism describes an ideology, one that people can, if they wish, elect to devote their lives to it. Its premise goes beyond selfish, beyond greedy. IMO, Historically Zionism has attracted to its calling the greedy. Zionism is an ideology.. to be believed, to be discounted, to be ignored; to be acted on, or whatever but its not a belief. It may be a word to describe the ideology that people believe in, but its not a belief. Your definition of Zionism would make Zionism into a wish or a goal but wishes and goals are neither ideologies nor beliefs. The right to self determination is a universal human right given to all mankind equally..self determination is not a Jewish idea its not even a human idea ...The American Declaration of Independence said clearly what it is: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are Created equally, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these rights are the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness'. . Nowhere can I find support for a claim that a particular class of humans have or can earn exclusive ownership rights in a piece or stretch of land or that the right of return to a place abandoned by ancestors exist, if it exist at all, for a period that extends longer than the life time of the generation that actually rightfully owned, and rightfully occupied the abandoned place? Do the Jews have a right to return to Portugal

Posted by: snake | Nov 9 2024 15:00 utc | 215

“Various reports have since shown that the majority of those killed on that day were Arabs from Gaza.”
Can you link to those reports, please? Thank you.
Posted by: Paul Schneider

Updated the piece with a number of links …

Posted by: b | Nov 9 2024 15:02 utc | 216

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRThFwyddvk
Caitlin’s brilliant takedown

Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 9 2024 15:11 utc | 217

DunGroanin @203:
Aren’t Tottenham Hotspurs known as ‘The Yids’ and their followers the ‘Yid Army’?

Posted by: SLM | Nov 9 2024 15:19 utc | 218

It has recently come to me that we are blessed that almost 1.9 Billion people are Muslims.
For if they decided to cast away their faith and fight war like atheists fight wars we’d be doomed.
Imagine that?

1.9 Billion humans unrestrained by the protocols of Islam, free to commit mass murder on the same basis as the Zionists do it …

As a Buddhist, I am thankful they remain thus restrained.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 9 2024 15:19 utc | 219

I found this recent comment by philosopher Slavoj Zizek thought provoking, however I’m not sure what ultimate point is vis a vis the nature or role of conspiracies in the present conflict:
“Crazy as it may sound, the best way to account for our moral predicament may be to entertain a conspiracy theory. Almost a year ago, I imagined a phone call between Israeli and Hamas hardliners:
Israeli hard-liner: “Hi, do you remember how we discreetly supported you against the Palestine Liberation Organization? Now you owe us a favor: Why don’t you attack and slaughter some Jews close to Gaza? They’re friends to Arabs, peaceniks, so we don’t need them. What we need is something to end the civil protests against us and to distract from the slow ethnic cleansing of the West Bank. The world will be shocked at your brutality and we will be able to play the victim, achieve national unity and accelerate ethnic cleansing in the West Bank!”
Hamas hard-liner: “Okay, but we need a favor: To avenge our slaughter, you must bomb civilians in Gaza, killing thousands, especially children. That will foment anti-Semitism around the world, which is our true goal!”
Israeli hard-liner: “No problem, we also need a resurgence of anti-Semitism, which allows us to keep playing the role of the victim and do whatever we want in self-defense!”
This imaginary scenario is obscene, of course. But recall Robert Harris’s novel “The Ghost” (later a film by Roman Polanski). A ghostwriter for Adam Lang, a former U.K. prime minister modeled on Tony Blair, discovers that his client has been planted in the Labour Party and manipulated by the CIA all along. Commenting on the book’s “shock-horror revelation,” a critic for the Observer wrote that it was “so shocking it simply can’t be true, though if it were it would certainly explain pretty much everything about the recent history of Great Britain.”
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2024/10/08/japan/nothing-new-in-middle-east/

Posted by: Ludovic | Nov 9 2024 15:22 utc | 220

….. be limited quite strictly on certain days. Areas will be delineated by pole markers and either side of pathways accessways and the like they are to be 18ft high and joined by “fishing wire” presumably to be some kind of metaphysical or symbolic
connection?…..
It’s a wacky ultra obsessive sub-sect, they have been doing this in Jerusalem for decades. No idea if they are violent or just demented.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 9 2024 15:36 utc | 221

Ludodvic @ 220
When Harold Wilson was uk priminister MI5 had his phone bugged, that alone tells us that UK is govenend by a semi invisable higher strater. Probably so in Holland and many other so called democraceys.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 9 2024 15:45 utc | 222

https://yandex.com/video/preview/12139707328497075104

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 9 2024 15:49 utc | 223

My above comment went off by accident before i could preview it and add the comment, no matter. Speaker Bercow was a tory but after his role as speaker, joined the Labour Party.
I post it as an example of the higher pay grade he hints at. (Higher strater) above parliment.
The term ‘Queens Council’
Heads us in the right direction of inquiry. They sit right behind him but way up high, silently observing and takeing notes. Que sinister music.
Just call me Sherlock.
Sorry for slight OT.
Last comment for today.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 9 2024 16:06 utc | 224

@ Posted by: SLM | Nov 9 2024 15:19 utc | 218
It was part of my original comment and in the second part which b doesn’t seem to like.
I’ll try a bit of it again see if it has any better luck.
Leaving aside the ziofascist and dodgy money connections of Tottenham FC, much of it by the loca businessmen, a quick look at the grassroots supporters.
The Tottenham area has many Jewish peoples.
Including the Hassidic in Stamford Hill – staunch anti Zionists btw.
As it does africarribeans (there’s a Blackboy Lane!) – the traitor to his roots Lammy it’s parliamentary member is the current Foreign secretary.
And many Irish supporters too from Hackney next door. Mostly Republican supporters.
All Cockneys plenty of them English.
Their fans call themselves the ‘Yid Army’ – not surprising given that ownership history.
Some shady self selected Zionist, instititions like the Community Charities Trust and British Board of Deputies – they like grand names and secrecy – using their mass media control and celebrities, have in recent decades tried to use political correctness (now the all encompassing ‘Woke’ ) to tell those multiracial, multi ethnic, born and bred Londoners, local fans, they shouldn’t use the word ‘Yid’, because it is ‘racist’.
They literally made up the concept of the ‘Y’ word , istealing the righteousness of the transformation of the racist epitaph to the ‘N word’. Shameless appropriation as usual by the Ziofascists!
Anyway football fans from other clubs would use judeaophobic taunts and songs. The Spurs fans would have equally scurrilous retorts agains other teams.
But would proudly claim that they were the Yid Army. As I say most of them in no way religiously Jewish. Many Catholics and Protestants.
Such tribalism exists across all football supporters of all clubs.
There is no real feeling of judaeophobia most being not Jewish.
Many scurrilous exchanges happen across all teams fan bases – most not reported but there are fanzines you can look them up in.
Broadcasters and match commentary try to mute it – guffawing involuntarily when some new witty ditty suddenly gets chanted.
I can tell you, outside of their personal team support many rival fans are best mates with each other in all parts of their working and social life. Intermarrying even.
The hooliganism and fighting reached its zenith during the 70’s and 80’s. Fighting would be arranged even!
The police would let them get on with it keeping them kettled within certain streets. Then horse shepherd them back to their trains.
In fact travelling Spurs fans were as guilty as any for bad behaviour in foreign lands e.g rioting by Spurs fans in Rotterdam in their loss to Feyenoord in the 1974 UEFA Cup final
Funny that innit?
Much has changed in British football fans violence and racism in recent decades, not as much yet with racist fascist fans of new Europeans. The Banderites and Right sector and Italian fascism, with their Nazi saluting is still endemic as is taunting of Afro players.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 9 2024 16:23 utc | 226

Thanks DunGroanin @ 226
To put in context….
Exile’s exellent link sums it up perfectly.
And i’ll just at….
The wall to wall media bias re Amsterdam is the sinister problem here hence my comments.
I’m gone.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 9 2024 16:35 utc | 227

Posted by: Ornot | Nov 9 2024 14:56 utc | 214
Ime, the self-proclaimed Judeo-Christians follow the old testament more than the new. In practice they violate much of what Jesus taught. A billion or so of them, they are on the wide road, not the narrow.

Posted by: Mary | Nov 9 2024 16:41 utc | 228

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 9 2024 16:06 utc | 224
If it was Netanyahu, however Bercow would prostrate himself as a carpet for the man to enter the chambers and speak..

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 9 2024 16:41 utc | 229

Arch Bungle @ 229
Almost defenatly yes.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 9 2024 17:02 utc | 230

Arch
But dont give them idear’s

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 9 2024 17:09 utc | 231

“Russia, Russia, Russia”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/04/russia-package-bombs-dhl-europe/
Russia suspected in plot to target cargo planes in Europe and the U.S.
archive
“You know who” is muddying the waters to hinder Trump from negotiating with Russia over…everything…
And setting Russia up as the fall guy in a false flag.

Getting crowded;
“Russia, Russia, Russia”
“Iran, Iran, Iran”

Posted by: librul | Nov 9 2024 17:09 utc | 232

It’s pretty clear at this point that the plan is to create a radical right Texas-like polity, effectively a second proxy US, in the Middle East in the form of Greater Israel. Insuring perpetual US hegemony: an American Algeria. The equivalent of the theft of half of Mexico, albeit slowly & methodically and with the resulting hyper-accelerated immigrant revanche being directed to Europe.

Posted by: Ludovic | Nov 9 2024 17:19 utc | 233

Posted by: snake | Nov 9 2024 15:00 utc | 215
To clarify, I was refuting the early premise in which Naive stated that Jews aren’t Zionists by providing statements provided by their own leaders referencing surveys which contradict that premise. While I find Cabes perspective theoretically correct and agree that there are moral Jewish people deeply troubled by Gaza, this represents a shunned minority’s view in the community or just cynical virtue signaling. I also struggle with how anyone would continue to profess to be Jewish in the face of not only the current genocide, but the past 50 years of their leaders butchery. I appreciate our human tendency to want to belong, but at some point one needs to walk away from the Nazi party or be forever damned.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 9 2024 17:54 utc | 234

“The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you.”

Posted by: Victor Scarpia | Nov 9 2024 17:54 utc | 235

If the 2024 Amsterdam Pogrom was people defending themselves against fanatically violent and bloodthirsty Jews, and if the October 7th Holocaust was Jews being mass murdered by other Jews, how does this affect how we understand previous “pogroms” and “holocausts”?

Posted by: Nobody Special | Nov 9 2024 18:01 utc | 236

Overall, most of casualties on October 7th were the results of IDF actions.
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 8 2024 22:09 utc | 101
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As I posted I’m aware of the verified accounts of IDF helicopters firing on vehicles retreating back to Gaza and the tank fire on kibbutzes. Verified accounts of these events account for ~50 deaths. If indeed the majority of casualties at Supernova (~300) were caused by IDF helicopter fire there would likely be accounts from Supernova survivors of mass helicopter strafing. I have not been able to locate any such accounts. What we do have are a few accounts of retreating vehicles being fired on, and guncam footage from other targets misleadingly reposted as fire on Supernova.
To me, absent verified accounts of many more civilian casualties, the maximalist claim “most civilians were killed by the IDF” is the same approach as believing the 40 beheaded babies claim propagated by zionists. It only serves to cloud our understanding of events. Even if one supports one side of the conflict over the other, basing one’s understanding on unverified maximalist claims (propaganda) inevitably sacrifices clarity and credibility for gain of temporary conviction (and clicks). It’s an approach would prefer not to see one of the few remaining sources of unfiltered news succumb to.

Posted by: nomajesty | Nov 9 2024 18:08 utc | 237

… And like any illusion, once you try to grasp it you find there’s nothing there.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 9 2024 13:32 utc | 205
initially, I agreed with this but … there is a LOT of HATRED AND SICKNESS OF SOUL in this ‘nothingness’ … a Hellish lot of it …

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Nov 9 2024 18:12 utc | 238

Ludovic,
“The Ghost” was written by Robert Harris, who, before he became a novelist, was a prominent journalist who was quite close to Tony Blair. There was no way he could present his suspicion that Blair was an American agent as journalism, or in a nonfiction book. But in a roman-a-clef novel, it could be done.
And Harris had been in a position where he could observe Blair closely.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 9 2024 18:23 utc | 239

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 9 2024 16:23 utc | 226
I always enjoy your posts on British culture (in this case football culture), which seems strangely alien to this American these days. In fairness, my own country feels completely alien to me. Anyway, I remember back in the 80s there were some superb films set in London, that were gritty and had a feeling of authenticity to them, several with the great Bob Hoskins. It seems like those kind of films are in very short supply these days. If you have any recommendations for films like this, I’d love to hear them. I am familiar with most of Ken Loach’s excellent work.

Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 9 2024 18:25 utc | 240

Do we know when this football match was first scheduled? Who would have been in a position to ensure that it would take place on the anniversary of Kristallnacht?

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 9 2024 18:26 utc | 241

…how does this affect how we understand previous “pogroms” and “holocausts”?t

@Nobody Special 236
Considering the massive lies, distortions, hasbara and propaganda that are painfully obvious in these 2 cases it might be wise to take everything WE’VE BEEN TOLD about the past with a grain of kosher salt.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Nov 9 2024 18:39 utc | 242

Posted by: snake | Nov 9 2024 15:00 utc | 215
A formerly deeply Catholic Country, Portugal, is no longer Catholic because some Priests were diddling with young boys. When you heard a Jewish person say I am no longer Jewish, I am no longer Jewish because of the Genocide? It’s just this fake morality dodge in which you hey distance themselves from Zionism and say Jews are not Zionists. Being Jewish is a choice, it’s not like black, Chinese where you can wake up tomorrow and say I am not Jewish. So while Cabes comments are brilliant, they answer questions within a certain box.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 9 2024 18:39 utc | 243

“most civilians were killed by the IDF” is the same approach as believing the 40 beheaded babies claim propagated by zionists.
@Posted by: nomajesty | Nov 9 2024 18:08 utc | 237
no response required

Posted by: librul | Nov 9 2024 19:00 utc | 244

Woodenhue | Nov 9 2024 8:17 utc | 184
*** So Cynic… you`re saying that you have no idea what a jew is…***
But it would now be “anti-semitic” to define it any way other than the Israeli Zionist regime does. They declare — and have been supported by the ‘Western’ countries in doing so — that Israel is “The Jewish State” and *all* Jews are therefore its subjects.
Therefore all Jews must be Zionists (and by the Establishment’s unhinged logic, somehow automatically stop being Jews if they’re not) … and no serious criticism of such fanatical ethno-religious obsessives is to be permitted anywhere, no matter how much they lie or badly they behave.
As the trouble in Amsterdam illustates.
Therefore, the real question to be answered is whether *you* and those who agree with you are claiming that the authorities are wrong, and thus “have no idea what a Jew is”. In which case *you* must — by Establishment reasoning — be “anti-semitic”.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 9 2024 19:08 utc | 245

Woodenhue | Nov 9 2024 8:17 utc | 184
*** So Cynic… you`re saying that you have no idea what a jew is…***
But it would now be “anti-semitic” to define it any way other than the Israeli Zionist regime does. They declare — and have been supported by the ‘Western’ countries in doing so — that Israel is “The Jewish State” and *all* Jews are therefore its subjects.
Therefore all Jews must be Zionists (and by the Establishment’s unhinged logic, somehow automatically stop being Jews if they’re not) … and no serious criticism of such fanatical ethno-religious obsessives is to be permitted anywhere, no matter how much they lie or badly they behave.
As the trouble in Amsterdam illustates.
Therefore, the real question to be answered is whether *you* and those who agree with you are claiming that the authorities are wrong, and thus “have no idea what a Jew is”. In which case *you* must — by Establishment reasoning — be “anti-semitic”.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 9 2024 19:09 utc | 246

There are so many varying definitions of the word “zionist” that it’s primary use is merely as a euphemism and escape route from a very ugly reality. The world is trying to digest this very ugly reality that has been imposed on it right now. It has no choice.
Sticking one’s head in the sand is not an effective method of problem solving.

Posted by: chunga | Nov 9 2024 19:17 utc | 247

…how does this affect how we understand previous “pogroms” and “holocausts”?t
@Nobody Special 236
Considering the massive lies, distortions, hasbara and propaganda that are painfully obvious in these 2 cases it might be wise to take everything WE’VE BEEN TOLD about the past with a grain of kosher salt.
Posted by: Ed Bernays | Nov 9 2024 18:39 utc | 242

It is time to look beyond the Limited Hangout version of The Holocaust we have been fed all these decades.
The irony being that Zionists treated the Jews of Europe like “dust in a cruel world” – Chaim Weizmann.
The Zionists tricked hundreds of thousands (more?) onto the trains to the concentration camp(s)
in full knowledge of their fate. And then afterwards Israel defended the treachery with the full force of
their justice system.
The full irony is that before October 7th Zionists presented themselves as protectors of Jews,
despite their known history of betrayal and treachery. Even becoming the main beneficiary of the
Holocaust through political extortion and the attraction of immigrants.
Jews should have seen the treachery, betrayal and so-called “failures” of October 7th coming. They had
put their faith in those whose history is one of betraying their own.
When the leader of Hungarian Zionists was, in essence*, put on trial in Israel for tricking hundreds of thousands
onto the trains to Auschwitz, because he was an official of the reigning administration, the Attorney General
of Israel was his personal lawyer.
In court, Chaim Cohen, Attorney General of Israel, will declaim Weizmann’s “dust in a cruel world” ideology to Judge Halevi in defense of Rudolf Kastner:

“For those and millions of Jews like them there came true the old curse, ‘And lo, they were meant but to be taken like sheep for slaughter, for killing, for destruction, for crushing and shame.’ These should escape? They had no feet on which to run. They should revolt? They had no hands with which to fight. No spirit was left in them.”

The betrayers lost their first trial so they kicked it upstairs to the Israeli Supreme Court
where the political balance was in their favor and the court affirmed Weizmann’s “dust in a cruel world” ideology
ruling that it was alright for the betrayers to do what they had done, “the Jews of Hungary were not worth saving” [one of the judges
said these words]
Does this remind you of the panicked participants of the October 7th Rave Party who attempted to flee but were blocked
at the exits by “Israeli police”, and then Hannibal-ed by Apache helicopters. A Rave Party located 3 miles
from the prison walls of Gaza, a location that had been assigned immediately after the Al-Aqsa Mosque invasions.
IDF headquarters made the assignment, overruling the Gaza sector officers normally tasked with such approvals. Located to a
position between Gaza and a **named target** the Re’im Military Base. It was assigned on October 5th;
October 7th was a Sabbath and Jewish holiday, so half the IDF around Gaza was given leave. Mossad had captured
Hamas’ detailed plan for their jail break and it specified the Re’im military base as a target and it said
that Hamas would conduct their jail break on a Sabbath or Jewish holiday, October 7th was both of these.

*Kastner was the plaintiff, but the trial quickly turned into an indictment of Kastner and his fellow traitors.

Posted by: librul | Nov 9 2024 19:18 utc | 248

Again the IDF was responsible for most the deaths on Oct 7th…….between the stationing of unarmed female soldiers at FOP’s very near the line of contact at the Gaza border, to strafing and rocketing the Rave Concert (see the pilot interviews please!!!), to using MBT fire to blast homes in the kibbutz’s.
It is not physically possible for the scattered Hamas forces to inflict the overwhelming amount of casualties on civilians and military personnel alike, that occurred on Oct 7th. Remember the Hamas forces lacked any heavy machine guns, and had a only a very limited quantity of RPG’s and ATGM’s due to the fact they were highly mobile in light ATV’s and UTV’s or motorcyles. The Hamas soldiers were basically armed with AK47, 74’s again with limited amounts of ammo, the ammo they could carry in ammo belts and vests.
IDF again ….more war propaganda from Tel Aviv…………

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 9 2024 19:28 utc | 249

The Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf reported on Tuesday November 5 that Mossad was traveling to Amsterdam With the Dutch team.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 9 2024 19:28 utc | 250

Jo | Nov 9 2024 14:29 utc | 209
*** Could not these peoples wishing to be part of the exemption just be notified by their religious leaders instead? ***
But something more sensible like that denies them the pleasure of farting in everyone else’s faces …
… and to deny them anything at all is now denounced as “anti-semitism”.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 9 2024 19:31 utc | 251

https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1854899703634153754
Israeli hooligans who were rampaging around Amsterdam last night ended up beaten by a local Maroccan population
What really happend?
Thread 1/

Posted by: RR | Nov 9 2024 19:35 utc | 252

Re: How many Israelis were killed by IDF that day ?
Photos of the car park plus other buildings – Ak-47s don‘t do that kind of mass casualty damage.
30mm cannon fire from Helicopter Gunships do that kind of damage. 120mm rounds from Main Battle Tanks do that kind of damage.
The gunship pilots reported they emptied their cannons, reloaded, and returned to let loose more.
It’s not rocket science.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 9 2024 19:40 utc | 253

According…………..to news reports many of the Israeli soccer “fans” were off duty IDF soldiers on leave.
According to other news reports these “fans” attacked Arabs and hauled down Palestinian flags on private homes and businesses.
According to further news reports the “fans” openly chanted about killing Palestinian children.
What comes around, goes around. When you brag about killing Palestinian children you are hardly able to throw the Holocaust Card down on the table…….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 9 2024 19:40 utc | 254

Again the IDF was responsible for most the deaths on Oct 7th..
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 9 2024 19:28 utc | 249
What? Naaaah, no way. Why would they kill their own civilians?
Next you’re gonna tell me the Holocaust didn’t happen. Get outta here!

Posted by: N | Nov 9 2024 19:40 utc | 255

@ chunga | Nov 9 2024 19:17 utc | 247 et al.
Well, there are Zionists, and there are Zionists. On the one hand there are the genocidalists, who comprise the bast majority of “Israeli” Jews and American Congresscritters. Toward the other end of the spectrum are the fluffy Zionists, who support Jewish outrages in West Asia as long as they are “proportionate” (B. Sanders) or no more “than we are forced to do to exist” (everyone’s favorite Hallmark Greeting Card “philosopher” Martin — *swoon!* — Buber).
In practical terms I’m not sure there’s a difference between those extremes.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 9 2024 19:44 utc | 256

It’s not rocket science.
@ Exile | Nov 9 2024 19:40 utc | 253

Specifically, it’s the department just down the hall: helicopter gunship science.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 9 2024 19:57 utc | 257

One wonders what Maccabi-an style hooligans did in the west asia during, say, the early Roman empire, currently reported the same as today.
Posted by: ISL | Nov 8 2024 15:13
Give humanity a break please. Most of the terror and plunder of the Romans was confined to Italy and Europe.

Posted by: T J Foster | Nov 9 2024 19:59 utc | 258

Jo @ 209, Mark2 @ 210:
There are at least two eruvs in Sydney, one in the eastern suburbs area around Bondi, Double Bay and Tamarama down to Coogee and Randwick, and the second around St Ives in northern Sydney. The eruvs are marked by wires attached to cables, telegraph poles trees and fences, most of which already existed before the eruvs were established (the one in eastern Sydney set up in the early 2000s, the St Ives one set up a few years ago).
Most people living in these areas who are not Jewish, and there are many (in the eastern suburbs, there are a lot of international students living there, and there is a growing Brazilian community) are not aware of the existence of the eruvs. The Bondi eruv can be looked up on sydneyeruv.org.au.
The purpose of the eruvs is to allow orthodox Jews living within them to do certain things on the Sabbath that Torah would not allow them to do otherwise: these otherwise forbbiden things are things like carrying house and car keys, wheeling prams and various other things that would be considered “work”.
Even before the St Ives eruv was established, the synagogue in the area used to be the focus of parking complaints by local residents, because the rabbis there apparently wouldn’t allow their congregation to park close to the synagogue on Saturdays. Turning on the engine is considered akin to lighting a fire (forbidden on Sabbath) and driving is considered work. So attendees had to park in local streets and walk to the synagogue. If the eruv allows Jews to drive and park near the synagogue, then that would help ease the weekly Saturday parking issues.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 9 2024 20:06 utc | 259

Most of the world will find reason to regret the decline of the USA. This is not to ignore Washington’s folly, but the prospect of their weakening is not as expedient or confident as people might think. The corruption and relative decline of the Anglo nations is a terrible disaster. They were in many ways a great hope by strength, convenience and experience and had a right to lead. They fucked it up, but what after?

Posted by: T J Foster | Nov 9 2024 20:07 utc | 260

Historians estimate that, during Julius Caesar’s conquest of Gaul (roughly, France), out of a population of 5 million, 1 million were killed, and another million enslaved.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 9 2024 20:10 utc | 261

actually, there are two kinds of zionism.
Zionism (spiritual Zionism) up to the middle of the 19th century, accepted the diaspora as part of god’s plan and enjoined believers to be a “light unto nations”: to value learning and to share that learning with the world. The great Jewish scientists, philosophers, artists were part of that spiritual Zionist tradition.
Political Zionism, mid 19th century and after, redefined Zionism as the establishment of a Jewish national ghetto, I mean state, spreading European “light” to the unwashed masses of the Middle East and managing that area for the west, first Britain and now the US.
The founders of political Zionism had all been movers and shakers in the European Jewish ghettos and acted as middlemen between those ghettos and the European ruling class; they were threatened by the dissolution of the ghettos and the gradual enfranchisement of the Jews, starting with the French revo and continuing across Europe throughout the 19th century. In creating Israel, they wanted to reproduce the conditions of their original power on a transnational stage.

Posted by: JAB | Nov 9 2024 20:11 utc | 262

Historians estimate that during the first revolt of Jews against Rome, in the province of Judaea (roughly, Israel plus Palestine), out of a population of 1 to 2 million, one third died.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 9 2024 20:20 utc | 263

The events over the last year have shaken my understanding of Jewish history. When I come across lists such as Two Hundred “Six Million Jews” allegations from 1940-1945″ it adds to my confusion. Then constantly recurring number 6 is another oddity.
From Revelation: “The whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. And they worshiped the dragon [Satan], for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?””
Revelation continues: “Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth . . . It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast . . . This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of [a] man, and his number is 666.”
I was never a number obsessed conspiracy wacko, but my son, back during the COVID panic, pointed out social distancing marks on the floor in a store here in the United States. He said, “So there is six feet. There is six feet. There is six feet. That’s six, six, six.” Then he looked at me and said, “That’s creepy. Do you think it means something?” He obviously meant the number 666 as a reference to a mark of a servant of Satan. Recently, Dr. Fauci, the so called American disease expert, testified under oath that six feet had no scientific basis. The number “popped” into his head one day. What an odd thing. How do I put the 666 reference in the Bible against the 666 social distancing marks on the floor. Is this number some how baked into reality as a means of warning us to be on guard, and does Christianity have an insight into this deeper nature of reality?
Okay, forget all that. Why does six million Jews pop up constantly and what does this suggest about the legend of a six million Jew Holocaust given the obvious lies about Amsterdam and October 7th?

Posted by: Nobody Special | Nov 9 2024 20:24 utc | 264

Raul Hilberg, who is usually considered THE expert on the Holocaust, calculated the number of those dead from it as 5.1 million plus or minus 200,000, i.e., approximately 5 million. If THE expert on the Holocaust concluded that it killed approximately 5 million, how can there be anything sacred about the 6 million figure?

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 9 2024 20:38 utc | 265

They [Anglo nations] were in many ways a great hope by strength, convenience and experience and had a right to lead.
Posted by: T J Foster | Nov 9 2024 20:07 utc | 260
______
Hilarious! Who gave them that right?

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 9 2024 20:50 utc | 266

Lysias | Nov 9 2024 20:38 utc | 265
***.. how can there be anything sacred about the 6 million figure?***
The same “six million” figure that they claimed in Victorian times, then during WW1, then after WW1, then before WW2, then after WW2 …
Fanatical adherence to alleging one particular number.
And now the mainstream media will not question it, nor will the mainstream politicians — they even conspired to make it a legal unquestionable as if it was a medieval religious dictate. But over a long span of time why have a succession of entirely separate claims (whether real or fantasy) always kept reciting same number?

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 9 2024 21:00 utc | 267

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 9 2024 13:36 utc | 206 “The description of the Sea Beast is found in Revelation chapters thirteen and seventeen”
Are you saying that the next class of Israeli submarines with be called the Sea Beasts?

Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 9 2024 21:34 utc | 268

Distorted news,
Smoke screen,
Nothing burger …
for
Main
Zio
Media.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 9 2024 21:35 utc | 269

« Holocaust » would be a cool name for a sports team.

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 9 2024 21:52 utc | 270

The beast “was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion” (Rev 13:2). These are the first three animals in Daniel 7, but in reverse order.
“The dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority” (Rev 13:2).”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 9 2024 13:36 utc | 206

At the time it was written, Revelation book, a gnostic book, a poetic vision of mankind future, Roman empire was on the rise while the Republic had died under the weight of oppression, injustice, Emperors relying upon their pretorian guards reigned unchallenged …
Emperor was deemed a deity. No one could utter a bad words on him under death penalty. So the book had to depict things figuratively.
A “Beast that was” and will rise again is clearly the doomed Republic, while the Dragon was the very Empire you’d better not name …
Prediction was that the Republic will come back for “ONE HOUR” to the roman Empire (the Beast of Europe) out of the sea (the numerous peoples) and the Empire (the crowned heads) will bow before her … That Beast was to be identified to the one Beast in Daniel vision, which figured the Greek Empire (predecessor ‘Javan’, king of the North, then to be included within Rome).

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 9 2024 21:55 utc | 271

@ Cabe | Nov 9 2024 4:59 utc | 177 // 178
thanks cabe… i have always appreciated reading your perspective and you’ve made a couple of very potent posts on this thread.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Nov 9 2024 21:57 utc | 272

It seems like team names are in general much too timid !
Montreal « Canadiens », Toronto « Maple Leafs », Vancouver « Canucks » nothing surprising about the names except the spelling.

Posted by: Featerless | Nov 9 2024 22:03 utc | 273

Ackman Says Amsterdam Violence Tipping Point for Delisting
. Pershing Square Holdings’ trading concentrated in London
. Ackman also pushing Universal Music Group to move to US

Billionaire Bill Ackman said he’s going to seek to remove Pershing Square Holdings Ltd.’s listing from Euronext’s exchange in Amsterdam after violence against Israeli football fans in the Netherlands.
The closed-end fund’s board had already been considering the move because the majority of the trading volume for the firm now occurs on the London Stock Exchange, Ackman wrote in a post on X.
“Events in Amsterdam during the last 24 hours provide an appropriate tipping point for this conclusion,” he wrote Friday.
continues ==> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-08/ackman-seeks-to-remove-pershing-square-s-amsterdam-listing

Ackman is a piece of work. His butcher’s thumb influences university boardrooms.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 9 2024 22:07 utc | 274

Dragon was the very Empire you’d better not name …
Prediction was that the Republic will come back for “ONE HOUR” to the roman Empire (the Beast of Europe) out of the sea (the numerous peoples) and the Empire (the crowned heads) will bow before her … That Beast was to be identified to the one Beast in Daniel vision, which figured the Greek Empire (predecessor ‘Javan’, king of the North, then to be included within Rome).
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 9 2024 21:55 utc | 271
There was some discussion on time intervals, cycles !
I have a copy of « Beacon Lights of Prophecy » somewhere…
There was the idea of « 1 day equals a year » in prophetic time (?), or something like that, and i think 1260 years was an important part of mix.
Anyhow it just reminded me of that, in case that’s important.

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 9 2024 22:10 utc | 275

Somewhere, long ago, I heard;
“I might as well do it if I’ve been accused of it” (a movie maybe?)
I often wonder if the professional victimhood liars ever consider that.
A German born friend once said to me “once your reputation is ruined, you are free”.
Just random thoughts.

Posted by: saner | Nov 9 2024 22:12 utc | 276

Please Mr b, could we have a Ukraine open thread?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 9 2024 22:13 utc | 277

“Historians estimate that, during Julius Caesar’s conquest of Gaul (roughly, France), out of a population of 5 million, 1 million were killed, and another million enslaved.”
Posted by: Lysias | Nov 9 2024 20:10 utc | 261
In the Vietnam war 1959-1975 56,000 American were killed.
In the Battle of Cannae in 216 BC, Hannibal, the Carthaginian General, defeated Roman consuls Varro and Paullus; the Carthaginian army with just swords and spears killed between 60,000-70,000 Roman soldiers in an afternoon.
In 216 there ware around 100 million people on the planet, in 1975, thre was a bit over 4 billion!

Posted by: canuck | Nov 9 2024 22:36 utc | 278

The Saviour
@stairwayto3dom
HAHAHA
Zionists are getting called out EVERYWHERE they go!
Keep it up! 🔥
https://x.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1854991412762214538

Posted by: Menz | Nov 9 2024 22:52 utc | 279

When a teenager reporter from Amsterdam gives journalism lessons to the mainstream media :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdL2PvPL9u0
probably already posted here but if in doubt, don’t miss this report where Israeli holigans cause chaos in Amsterdam
(before getting some local’s answer)
You may find an English translation, this version is in Dutch and French, but the facts are cristal clear.

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Nov 9 2024 22:52 utc | 280

Bassem Youssef
@Byoussef
Zionists in Amsterdam disrespected the moment of silence for the flood victims in in Spain , they chanted”death to Arabs” they chanted “there are no schools and no babies left in Gaza” . They tore down Palestinian flags and attacked bystanders on the streets. So when they got the adequate treatment they deserved , as usual, they cried and victimized themselves and the western media , as usual, covered up for them and focused on the reaction and ignored their aggression. Some of those “soccer fans” were IDF reservists and assholes who served to kill Palestinian and Lebanese children. Zionist are just cowards. They will only play bullies if they are supported by US money and weapons. But without that you just have a bunch of cowards weeping and crying and victimizing themselves. Without the western media you have no cover and without US weapons you are absolute nothing. So cry me a fucking river…. To the sea.
https://x.com/Byoussef/status/1855147974700958075

Posted by: Menz | Nov 9 2024 22:53 utc | 281

S p r i n t e r
@SprinterFamily
The Houthis shot down an American MQ-9 drone, the twelfth so far.
https://x.com/SprinterFamily/status/1854802655291294057

Posted by: Menz | Nov 9 2024 22:54 utc | 282

Sarah Wilkinson
@swilkinsonbc
Israeli mass mob violence in their country wakes the nation up as the good people of the Netherlands chant united by one voice for Palestine & Gaza
https://x.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1855285602138173827

Posted by: Menz | Nov 9 2024 22:55 utc | 283

Historians estimate that during the first revolt of Jews against Rome, in the province of Judaea (roughly, Israel plus Palestine), out of a population of 1 to 2 million, one third died.
Posted by: Lysias | Nov 9 2024 20:20 utc | 263
After they threw a tantrum and killed more than half a million (only in cyprus and lybia they went over 460.000 )
Probably 600.000 killed on the jewish and 600.000 killed on the mainly greek side
wikipedia already “cleaned” them from the massacred in cyprus article, but there alone they killed 240.000
Take a look at the only thing left in the sanitized wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_Revolt
And some discussion elsewhere
https://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?220137-A-massacre-of-240-000-Romans-in-Cyprus
Yes, when rising and unless thoroughly controlled, they usually throw a tantrum and massacre as good as the best (wonder why the pharaoh put them on short rations and working overtime? Or europe often got fed up with them? Let me give you a clue, whenever they feel they can, they get triggered by the way their neighbors are looking at them… and bang, the neighbors needed a killing, no harm meant, why are you looking at us.)
I posted an article from a guy at aljazeera that basically said the germans protect israel because they feel lonely on the genocide bench and do love company of others that understand…

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 9 2024 22:57 utc | 284

Dr. Anastasia Maria Loupis
@DrLoupis
“Don’t worry. The women and babies in Gaza will pay the price.”
This is what an Israeli soldier named Maza Ledri said as a comment on a video of the Amsterdam hooligans events.
https://x.com/DrLoupis/status/1855048842967679146
Sulaiman Ahmed
@ShaykhSulaiman
HAKIM ZIYECH MOROCCAN FOOTBALLER MAKES A COMMENT ON MACCABI TEL AVIV HOOLIGANS IN AMSTERDAM
“If it’s not women and children they run away.”
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1854979717361025482

Posted by: Menz | Nov 9 2024 22:57 utc | 285

@artdecolady #StarmerOut #ItWasAScam
@Teresa_Peckham
If I only listened to the #BBC I would believe that there was a premeditated attack on Israeli Jews in Amsterdam, which was so awful it led to Netanyahu calling it a progrom and having to send rescue planes to get them out. Not true.
The BBC is a propaganda channel for Israel.
https://x.com/Teresa_Peckham/status/1854810515031101633
Philip Proudfoot 🇱🇧🇵🇸
@PhilipProudfoot
Probably first time in history we’ve seen world leaders offer their thoughts and prayers to football hooligans.
What a strange time to be living through.
https://x.com/PhilipProudfoot/status/1854982600798118149

Posted by: Menz | Nov 9 2024 23:00 utc | 286

Nadira Ali🇵🇸
@Nadira_ali12
He was returning home after buying an orange!
He never reached home!
https://x.com/Nadira_ali12/status/1854927230536679543

Posted by: Menz | Nov 9 2024 23:02 utc | 287

On the invention of so-called anti-Semitic incidents by the propaganda of Zionist organizations, Defamation, a remarkable documentary by Israeli filmmaker Yoav Shamir, must be seen and publicized:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CTAjc1OSrmY

Posted by: Leuk | Nov 9 2024 23:12 utc | 288

When a teenager reporter from Amsterdam gives journalism lessons to the mainstream media :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdL2PvPL9u0
…with ENGLISH subtitles

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Nov 9 2024 23:25 utc | 289

I’ve waded through a few ugly twatter feeds & tv vox pops on the ‘pogrom’. Lol.
One with a supposedly terrorised female ‘fan’ who comes out with multiple stories about the night off terror she and others experienced and how they were aiming to get flights back ‘home’ – never heard of footy fans not having their return flights unbooked! She looks perfectly fine being interviews for quite some time and multiple takes it seemed and finished with a shoutout to her macabre team.
What is absolutely weird about the astroturfing, pixel eating screen after screen from absolute ziofascist entity supporters, claiming that the anti ‘entity football team supporters’ who provoked with their lousy chants is the same as a ‘progrom’ against judaeoreligious peoples of Europe. Dutch or whatever! Trying to escalate Islamophobia in Europe.
That’s a plain lie and donning a victim status!
The second thing is that it has totally removed every and any news on the Ukrops getting thrashed!
It seems that might be one of the reasons for the provocation so that all the media Zios can change the script.
Anyway here’s some tweets by Caitlin Johnstone on point as usual
‘ @caitoz
57m
FYI this is what an actual pogrom looks like:
The
Middle East Eye
@MiddleEastEye
Nov 4
Armed Israeli settlers launched a wave of attacks on Palestinian properties in several areas of the occupied West Bank overnight, torching homes, vehicles and olive trees
pulse.ly/yvkuuhuhvu
Nov 9, 2024 · 9:32 PM UTC
Caitlin Johnstone retweeted
Assal Rad
@AssalRad
Nov 8
5-9 year olds are the ages most represented among the Palestinians killed by Israel in Gaza, and Israeli “soccer fans” are joyfully mocking it in a genocidal chant. That is what’s missing from your headlines and condemnations.
B.M.
@ireallyhateyou
Nov 8
It bugged me that I couldn’t find a video of the entire genocidal song, but then came Maccabi Tel Aviv fans: they arrived at Ben Gurion airport, fleeing from the fake pogrom, and started singing the entire song…
Ole ole
Ole ole ole
Let the IDF win and fuck the Arabs
Ole ole
Ole ole ole
Why is school out in Gaza? There are no children left there ‘
Case closed on the purpose of the hooliganism. Normally such actions leads to the team either being banned or having to play without their supporters getting any tickets to the away games. As I said earlier English Teams have form with that type of travelling neofascist ‘fans’ who just want to go fight.
The Donald is going to have to be super slick to not get compromised as a coconspirator in the real , criminal charges that will be laid and followed up over the years, as long as it takes, on the mass murderers and violence against the civilian Palestinians most of whom were women children and non Hamas men.
He will have to dodge that ‘bullet’ sharpish before it takes more than a little nick off his ear. 😉

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 9 2024 23:36 utc | 290

A Mossad operation to provoke a banning of free speech in Europe labelling any criticism of the ongoing genocide in Gaza and Lebanon as anti-semitism….
Like it has happened in US Universities…
https://www.unz.com/article/the-kosher-candidate/
The fact that they not only did not respect the minute of silence for the dead in Valencia floods, but, moreover, mocked the Spanish dead people and laughed at pleasure instead, may indicate an Israeli hand in the Valencia disaster…taking into account that both the Us and Israel have a privileged relation with Spain´s current main competitor at agrobusiness level, Morocco….not in vain it is Palantir which is managing voluntary aid collected by the Spanish people and which will manage Valencia´s rebuilding…exactly like BlackRock in Ukraine….not being Ukraine either a natural happenstance at all….as we know….
The Spanish government, if it not were US lackeys and willing collaborators in this disaster, by action or inaction ( already the facts are being collected….), should be telling the Israeli ambassador to leave..and not to come back ever…
We should be applying the same principle with Israeli Embassies as with US Embassies around the world, as the best way to avoid terrorist attacks, in late financial capitalism low hours, is not having such embassies on our soils just for the well being of our nationals and lands….
BTW, as I feared some years ago, when ISIS was already infiltrating Tripoli ( North Lebanon, not Lybia..), that they will aim at destroying Lebanese historical heritage, as they did in Syria, destroying Alepo, Palmira, Deir Ezor…and it was why I decided to travel to Lebanon to see its treasures, they are already destroying Baalbeck World Heritage Sites…as part of their crusade to erase human history so that to corwn their “people” as the “chosen”….
As this journalist states, they want ot destroy any historical remains in the Middle East because they are living testimony that through the ages and millenia there was no trace of jews there and thus the jews have no right to claim those lands as their promised territory based on invented stories by themselves….
https://t.me/freepalestinetv/24591
Btw, they seem to have a special spite in destroying the former Otoman governors´ homes along the Holy Land, as they did in Alepo, face the Citadel, which hosted a typical hammam in the pre-ISIS era when I visited the beautiful ancient city…

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 9 2024 23:40 utc | 291

And this time really with English subtitles, sorry…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySHIOYyJ95A
When a teenager reporter from Amsterdam gives journalism lessons to the mainstream media

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Nov 9 2024 23:42 utc | 292

@ Tak-Tik | Nov 9 2024 23:42 utc | 292
thanks tak tik.. i was very curious about that..

Posted by: james | Nov 9 2024 23:43 utc | 293

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bqnlJxE9ZY
Norman Finkelstein gives a master class on what’s really going on. No bullshit; this was always going to be a genocide from October 8 forward. And the rapes, everything Israel or any Israeli says is almost certainly a lie. The Israeli Chosen People have an unusually high degree of social solidarity and for that reason, and the fact that they’re a death cult – religious or secular Israelis – they have no qualms about lying about ANYTHING. But that’s a minor point – recommend watching the whole thing. Magnier is also on the call.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 9 2024 23:45 utc | 294

If the 2024 Amsterdam Pogrom was people defending themselves against fanatically violent and bloodthirsty Jews, and if the October 7th Holocaust was Jews being mass murdered by other Jews, how does this affect how we understand previous “pogroms” and “holocausts”?
Posted by: Nobody Special | Nov 9 2024 18:01 utc | 236
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Good question, so why don’t you answer it? First, I would like to point out that there was NO 2024 Amsterdam Pogrom; it is a lie, a media lie. If you think the Holocaust was likewise a lie, then you you must explain that.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 9 2024 23:47 utc | 295

https://x.com/yoUsaama/status/1854833926369317180
“Turns out when you spend a year chanting there are no schools in Gaza because there are no children left in Gaza, someone is gonna knock your teeth out. Forget the ICC and ICJ, the streets have a quicker form of justice.”
Fuck Israel.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 9 2024 23:53 utc | 296

@Ghost of Moz
I’m not sure what you precisely mean vis a vis the meteorological disaster in Valencia, that the US deep state directed a sort of satelletic death ray in the direction of Valencia, specifically the suburbs of its capital? If that’s your belief perhaps you should state it more clearly so that the absolute lack of foundation isn’t equally missed.

Posted by: Ludovic | Nov 9 2024 23:57 utc | 297

sarcasm alert
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1855314323381383585
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
This is unfair.
Five divisions along the Lebanese borders with 70-80,000 men and 800-1000 tanks. Where are the tanks? Why are you #Israel afraid to move your tanks into south Lebanon?
Each member of #Hezbollah has been given 40 laser-guided anti-tank missiles. What will they do with these missiles if Israel keeps its tanks far from the borders?

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 9 2024 23:57 utc | 298

“Turns out when you spend a year chanting there are no schools in Gaza because there are no children left in Gaza, someone is gonna knock your teeth out. Forget the ICC and ICJ, the streets have a quicker form of justice.”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 9 2024 23:53 utc | 296
what a shame…
schadenfreude
noun
scha·​den·​freu·​de ˈshä-dᵊn-ˌfrȯi-də
often capitalized
: enjoyment obtained from the troubles of others
Schadenfreude is a combination of the German nouns Schaden, meaning “damage” or “harm,” and Freude, meaning “joy.” So it makes sense that schadenfreude means joy over some harm or misfortune suffered by another.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 10 2024 0:04 utc | 299

@Posted by: Tak-Tik | Nov 9 2024 23:42 utc | 292
It looks all the way like the hooligans who organized the riots in odessa who led to the Hous of Unions Massacre…
It seems that from now on we must suffer this jewish prepotency in Europe so that to show us, what? That this is also their “promised land”…?
I already warned that they will not stop in Gaza out of the impunity with which they genocide there..
What keeps them from killing us all in mass?
The police lokks like it is not going to stop them..
I have seen the Amsterdam police being quite more agressive, throwing their dogs and throwing fragile damseles against a crystal wall when Dutch people were protesting for rightfull reasons…

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 10 2024 0:10 utc | 300