Palestine Open Thread 2024-268
News & views related to the war in Palestine ...
Posted by b on November 7, 2024 at 14:48 UTC | Permalink
next page »Many videos with captions such as "military coup against Net?" Here's one:
Posted by: Sticker | Nov 7 2024 14:57 utc | 2
A big applause for PSG fans, high five for UEFA and shame on you for french govenment.
"The sprawling tifo – 50 metres wide and 20 metres high, and spread over both tiers of the stands behind the PSG goal – depicted the Palestinian and Lebanese flags with an image of the Al-Aqsa Mosque in occupied East Jerusalem at its centre.
“War on the pitch, but peace in the world,” a message underneath said.
It also showed the historical map of Palestine."
"French Interior Minister Bruno Retailleau has criticised the unveiling of a giant “Free Palestine” banner by Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) football fans before their team’s UEFA Champions League match against Atletico Madrid, saying it is “unacceptable”."
"European football’s governing body UEFA told the Reuters news agency that PSG will not face disciplinary proceedings as it only bans political messages deemed insulting or provocative."
“There will therefore be no disciplinary case because the banner that was unfurled cannot be in this case be considered provocative or insulting in that precise case,” a UEFA spokesperson said.
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 7 2024 15:46 utc | 3
Many videos with captions such as "military coup against Net?" Here's one:
Posted by: Sticker | Nov 7 2024 14:57 utc | 2
Bezalel Smotrich still have a gala dinner in Paris scheduled for Nov 13th, Airstrike in Lebanon two hours ago, population displacement as I write in Jabalaya : for now the coup is more a wishful probability than a palpable reality. And even if there is a coup , it's not at all a guaranty for a ceasefire , even if Tel-Aviv wants it.
Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 7 2024 15:48 utc | 4
Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 7 2024 15:48 utc | 4
Yes. However, this unrest might go some way toward shapeshifting Netty's standing or PR status with the Brandon and/or T administrations. Time will tell.
Posted by: Sticker | Nov 7 2024 15:59 utc | 5
Newbie@1546
Could be that the French people...not their friggen owned by City of London, government...do not wanna be outshined by the majority of Americans who voted for change. All across the Collective Wa$te, the people are not in synch with the ruling financier elites and their captured (by the central banks) governments. Popular outrage will continue to expand...perhaps even exponentially.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 7 2024 16:45 utc | 6
aristodemos | Nov 7 2024 16:45 utc | 6
On what planet is Donald Trump "change"?
Posted by: teri | Nov 7 2024 16:59 utc | 7
Could be that the French people...not their friggen owned by City of London, government...do not wanna be outshined by the majority of Americans who voted for change. All across the Collective Wa$te, the people are not in synch with the ruling financier elites and their captured (by the central banks) governments. Popular outrage will continue to expand...perhaps even exponentially.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 7 2024 16:45 utc | 6
Maybe, i remembered the phrase "but there will be signs" , a banner here, weapons sabotage there, a lawsuit here, a protest there. Pity it amounts to little for the barely hanging there gazans.
Maybe reminding that this is not news, a year since they israel started starving them, not news, very old news
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/18/gazas-food-is-running-out-amid-israels-war-of-starvation
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 7 2024 17:05 utc | 8
teri asks
"on what planet is DT change?"
this is the only revolution amerikaans can do...
voted 3rd party, myself and happy I did
Posted by: furies | Nov 7 2024 17:37 utc | 9
voted 3rd party, myself and happy I did
Posted by: furies | Nov 7 2024 17:37 utc | 9
I know.
Oh; no!
Sorry, couldn't help thinking what bruce would say :D
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 7 2024 18:09 utc | 10
Ran across this: The Rewards and Risks of Islamic Finance https://daily.jstor.org/the-rewards-and-risks-of-islamic-finance/
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Nov 7 2024 18:11 utc | 11
Anyone stupid enough to think a Trump presidency will change anything needs to focus on the FACT that all but one of the congress membership has their own personal AIPAC minder telling the how to vote on any issue that impacts Israel or its interests.
That lone renegade is Thomas Massie. He told them to fuck off.
Posted by: eagle eye | Nov 7 2024 18:29 utc | 12
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 7 2024 15:46 utc | 3
Further to that, I’m currently watching a European football match from Galatasary and there is an enormous #FreePalestine banner behind one of the goals. The broadcasters can’t help but show it.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 7 2024 19:11 utc | 13
Further to that, I’m currently watching a European football match from Galatasary and there is an enormous #FreePalestine banner behind one of the goals. The broadcasters can’t help but show it.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 7 2024 19:11 utc | 13
You can trust the Muslim street a lot more than their leaders.
Turkey in particular...
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 7 2024 19:17 utc | 14
Posted by: eagle eye | Nov 7 2024 18:29 utc | 12
##########
I read yesterday that Trump may include Massie in his Admin.
Makes a lot of sense from a Zionist perspective. They don't care if a R or D fills that seat. They own them all except Rashida Talib and Massie.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 7 2024 19:30 utc | 15
An alarming development here is the active participation by Canadian governments in the facilitation, funding and deployment of zio-fascist paramilitary formations directly linked to the IDF against Canadian citizens, as outlined in the following two articles from the WSWS...
Two Toronto Pro-Palestinian Protesters Arrested, Charged with Wearing COVID Masks
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/10/27/oxiv-o27.html
Far Right Zionist Vigilantes Target Anti-Genocide Youth and Workers with Open Support of Canada's Ruling Class
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/11/05/evbs-n05.html
"...So alarmed is the Canadian ruling class at the persistence of mass opposition to it and Warshington's war plans, of which Israel's genocide is an essential component, that legal mechanisms alone are now felt to be insufficient.
It has therefore started to deputize Zionist vigilante groups to violently intimidate and silence opposition to genocide and imperialist war, and to spy on and report dissenters to the police and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS).
Under the newly launched Canada Community Security Program, which was officially launched October 1, funds will now flow to vigilante groups, euphemistically termed 'time-limited security personnel', long associated with the Zionist far-right and terrorism.
Not a single Canadian politician has said a word in opposition."
Zio-fascist brownshirt bully-boys now move against and among us here in Canada with the full support of our elected 'representatives'. This is how it is.
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 7 2024 19:57 utc | 16
@ eagle eye | Nov 7 2024 18:29 utc | 12
Anyone stupid enough to think a Trump presidency will change anything needs to focus on the FACT that all but one of the congress membership has their own personal AIPAC minder telling the how to vote on any issue that impacts Israel or its interests.
That lone renegade is Thomas Massie. He told them to fuck off.
Posted by: eagle eye | Nov 7 2024 18:29 utc | 12
The Aipac minder works for American Caesar.
Posted by: Squeeth | Nov 7 2024 20:08 utc | 17
Emelia
@Bernadotte22
Zeina Al-Ghoul told her mother: "When I am martyred, I want to tell God to stop the war."
Zeina was martyred in Gaza City a few days ago while standing in line to receive a share of biscuits!
https://x.com/Bernadotte22/status/1853733510818803939
Posted by: Menz | Nov 7 2024 20:23 utc | 18
Khalissee
@Kahlissee
A reporter asks Chomsky if he believes Hezbollah is a terrorist organization:
No, the actual terrorists are the US and Israel. The only reason Hezbollah is labelled as such by the Western media... is because they dare resist their genocidal mania
https://x.com/Kahlissee/status/1854467587939201235
Posted by: Menz | Nov 7 2024 20:25 utc | 19
MenchOsint
@MenchOsint
⭕️⚡️🇱🇧 Statement issued by Hezbollah's Operations Room on the field developments (long but lot of interesting informations):
The Mujahideen of the Islamic Resistance continue to confront the Israeli aggression on Lebanon, and are inflicting heavy losses on the enemy's army in terms of equipment and numbers of officers and soldiers along the confrontation axes at the front edge, reaching its locations deep inside occupied Palestine.
1- Ground confrontations: 🧵
See More Thread...
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1854265989757632797
Posted by: Menz | Nov 7 2024 20:26 utc | 20
The Saviour
@stairwayto3dom
🚨#BREAKING: The U.S. Army has confirmed the death of one of its soldiers, who succumbed from his injuries he sustained in Gaza earlier this summer…
https://x.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1854234761243304081
Posted by: Menz | Nov 7 2024 20:27 utc | 21
Noctis Draven
@DravenNoctis
The election is over, it's done, don't let the media change the narrative and take our attention.
It's time to get back to reminding people of what Israel is doing.
https://x.com/DravenNoctis/status/1854315790213796102
Posted by: Menz | Nov 7 2024 20:28 utc | 22
Nesrine Rizk
@IDinBeirut
I am a proud Lebanese from South Lebanon very proud of my village Meis El Jabal for every house in this video is dying in silence with courage and dignity.. the hearts and souls and stories and memories .. destroyed but not erased .. goodbye my house.. forgive me
https://x.com/IDinBeirut/status/1854297679532052693
Posted by: Menz | Nov 7 2024 20:29 utc | 23
achterdochtig
@GalacticoRM7
israeli IDF and mossad cowards came to Amsterdam to steal and burn Palestinian flags only to get their teeth kicked out by Moroccan taxi drivers 😹😹
Mfs jumped into the water to save themselves and called the police
https://x.com/GalacticoRM7/status/1854446502086689104
Posted by: Menz | Nov 7 2024 20:30 utc | 24
S p r i n t e r
@SprinterFamily
Iranian Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei:
“Who wins the election in America doesn’t matter to us, we simply don’t care at all. Our policies toward the West remain the same, whether this or that person is in power. America is a corrupt, warmongering country. They say one thing and do another. Look at what they did in Iraq and Afghanistan, how their mafia bosses in their military-industrial complex forced the Ukrainians to wage a war against Russia, which they cannot win. And now they support the Zionist regime, as always, without limits in supporting their war crimes and crimes against humanity.”
Image
https://x.com/SprinterFamily/status/1854423872453361963
Posted by: Menz | Nov 7 2024 20:32 utc | 25
Zio-fascist brownshirt bully-boys now move against and among us here in Canada with the full support of our elected 'representatives'. This is how it is.
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 7 2024 19:57 utc | 16
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The Canadian genocide resistance will need to create a vigilante force to protect the protestors from the genocide jews.
Posted by: Chas | Nov 7 2024 20:39 utc | 26
Replacing one genocidal lunatic with a more extreme genocidal lunatic ....
Netanyahu Replaces Fired Israeli Defense Minister With ‘Another Genocidal Lunatic’
Posted on November 6, 2024 by Yves Smith
Useful with a link to Nima/Wilkerson and a CommonsDream piece
[...] Larry Wilkerson colorfully weighed in on the Gallant sacking. He sees the shake-up as Netanyahu needing to distract attention from his military failure and domestic pressures. He also describes the number of serious injuries in Lebanon alone as 4,000, which is very high given the short duration of that campaign.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 7 2024 20:44 utc | 27
INdi.ca in fine form
The Resistance Gives A Shit About Your Elections
Donald Trump was elected President of America, but he won't be inaugurated till next year. Joe Biden will be President until next year, and he hasn't been President for months already. There's actually no 'one' running America. This is a six-month interregnum, in the middle of an insurrection.
Don't think the Resistance isn't watching. Listen to Ansarallah's Nasruddin speaking to Trump's former Middle East adviser Gabriel Sowma.
"Allow me to recount and comment on some of the points—or a point—that your guest [Gabriel Sowma] made. He said that the issue lies with the Biden administration. I'm not going to go on the topic of whether there's an issue with the administration or not. But I'll refer him to the news that came out yesterday from the captain of the Eisenhower aircraft carrier. He spoke of not being able to change his pajamas sometimes for an entire day because he was under military pressure from the Yemeni Armed Forces. I mean, if the President changes, will Eisenhower's captain be able to change his pajamas? Will he [the President] help him with that? [host laughs] The issue is not related to administration, but rather that the world has changed in terms of balance of power and in terms of the use of weapons."
This is very astute political analysis, Nasruddin is dropping science on you. The US Eisenhower was commissioned in 1977 and it's going to be commanded by a 78-year-old. None of this inspires fear. As Hezbollah's late, great Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah said the first time,
"We should thank [Donald] Trump for revealing yet again the true face of the U.S. administration—a racist, criminal, murderous, bloodthirsty entity that confiscates freedoms, plunders wealth, conspires against oppressed peoples.
Neither Trump nor his father, nor his grandfather, nor George Bush, nor his father, nor his grandfather, nor any of these racists can touch the courage, will, conviction, or faith of even a child among us, let alone our men and elders. Therefore, we are not worried; rather, we are very optimistic, because when an idiot resides in the White House and openly flaunts his foolishness, it marks the beginning of relief for the oppressed around the world."
Right now, the US military is just a luxury terrorist organization. All they can do is assassinate people and kill civilians, the tactics of the weak.
Read on:
https://indi.ca/the-resistance-gives-a-shit-about-your-elections/
Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 7 2024 21:10 utc | 28
As former CENTCOM Commander Frank McKenzie, recently said, “The Houthis [Ansarallah] have prevailed. We have failed. They control the Bab el-Mandeb.” This is a strategic defeat for America. This is another major historical event you'd completely miss if you read the news.
Indi.ca
Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 7 2024 21:13 utc | 29
Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 7 2024 21:10 utc | 28
my hope is that when people say, "wait until Trump lets Bibi take the gloves off", it means they are unaware the gloves are already off, and this is actually the worst they can do.
Dont know if its true, we will see soon enough.
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 7 2024 21:22 utc | 30
Trump needs 4 years of doing important work that will leave a lasting legacy. Trump has some huge talent on the team NOTWITHSTANDING the dumb balloon of hiring Pompeo or Cotton as Defense Secretary.
If, and its a big IF, Trump keeps Netanyahu from instituting the final rites for Israel, then there is an avenue for ceasefire, perhaps Peace. The U.S. has the power and Trump only has 1 more term of 4 years. $100 million from the Adelson widow pales against the millions of small contributions of other Americans.
https://rumble.com/v5mwjm5-judging-freedom-w-prof-jeffrey-sachs.-the-impact-trump-will-have-on-ukraine.html
Posted by: kupkee | Nov 7 2024 22:35 utc | 31
@30 UW
Gloves are off except for Iran or nuclear.
At present "Israel" keeps nudging Iran, looking for a reply that could then be held to justify a joint (with US) declaration of full war
Until US gives a green light to that declaration (whether this admin or next), "Israel" will be restrained. Restrained not because it is capable of taking on Iran (except by nuclear) , it has not the capacity, but restrained in the sense of not itself alone declaring open conflict . For example if "Israel" openly attacked government and civilian infrastructure it would be a full unilatteral declaration of war.
If "Israel" is given the green light (US agreement of participation) then we will probably see a ramp up of media coverage criticising Iran (after one of its retaliations) and severe strikes by "Israel" followed either by pre-emptive action by Iran that targets shared assets (US facilities that are used or are aid to "Israel" for example) or simply a size of reaction that the US will use as justification for stepping in to defend "Israel".
That is to say gloves can be taken off.
Iran might equally feel justified to strike pre-emptively, in which case gloves are off also.
Some say Iran defenses are effective, some say "Israel" is probing. I think if "Israel" wanted to hit Iran hard it could, probably at a price.
So, maybe that phrase meant "...take the US gloves off ".
Posted by: Ornot | Nov 7 2024 23:05 utc | 32
Dear Ornot, you give the genocides too much credit. They are unable to exercise restraint.
These cowards would bomb Iran back to the stone age given the chance.
Just look at Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen.
Unlike Syria, where they can safely lob stand off munitions, Iran is peer level opponent.
They actually failed.
Posted by: Suresh | Nov 8 2024 0:04 utc | 33
"...America must stop telling us what to do. We are witnessing a livestream genocide happening in Gaza. America has the power to resolve this. America has been part of this genocide. ....We do not want to be defined by Western standards. We are sovereign people. We are not less civilized and our values are not inferior to Western values. We are not anti-West...” — Abdul Razak Ahmad, special advisor to the Foreign Minister of Malaysia.
https://x.com/apocalypseos/status/1853700794224435653
🅰pocalypsis 🅰pocalypseos 🇷🇺 🇨🇳 🅉 @apocalypseos
🇲🇾 “Malaysia is a sovereign nation. America must stop telling us what to do. We are witnessing a livestream genocide happening in Gaza. America has the power to resolve this. America has been part of this genocide. They have been supplying weapons and encouraging it. It is time for the Global Majority to take a leadership position. We are almost 90% of the global population. We are non-Western, non-white, non-colonials.
We are stepping forward. We are acting independently from the West, reclaiming our voice and agency. 124 countries voted in favor of the UN resolution demanding that Israel comply with international law, cease its settlement activities, and withdraw from the occupied territory. The US voted against it. Many of its Western allies abstained. They chose silence in the face of injustice. They were unwilling to stand up for international law and for Palestinian freedom. We are not a minority.
We do not want to be defined by Western standards. We are sovereign people. We are not less civilized and our values are not inferior to Western values. We are not anti-West. It is very important for the voice of the World Majority to be respected and to be heard.” — Abdul Razak Ahmad, special advisor to the Foreign Minister of Malaysia
Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 8 2024 0:51 utc | 34
We do not want to be defined by Western standards. We are sovereign people. We are not less civilized and our values are not inferior to Western values. We are not anti-West. It is very important for the voice of the World Majority to be respected and to be heard.” — Abdul Razak Ahmad, special advisor to the Foreign Minister of Malaysia
Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 8 2024 0:51 utc | 34
Insha'Allah
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 8 2024 1:01 utc | 35
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/the-road-to-ben-gurion-resistance-roundup-day-397/
Posted by: Exile | Nov 7 2024 1:57 utc | 237
contrary to a report above, from the Palestine Chronicle, the Ben Gurion airport in israel was NOT hit today by Hezbollah. But they did target a military base nearby with a new missile they haven't used before, heavy load and very accurate, the Fateh-110.- to demonstrate that they can take out the airport IF israel starts it by attacking critical infrastructure in Lebanon like Beirut's airport.
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1854143235620282676
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
Hezbollah announced the target was not Ben Gurion airport but a military base nearby. Hezbollah won't give Israel the pretext to hit Rafic Hariri Beirut airport.
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1854203693253501121
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
The level of #Hezbollah bombardment of #Israel today was very significant, coinciding with the inauguration of the new Israeli defence minister, Israel Katz, and the election of a new US president, Donald Trump.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 8 2024 1:12 utc | 36
Posted by: Suresh | Nov 8 2024 0:04 utc | 33
You are right.
Whatever evil the Zionists can perpetrate they will immediately.
Whatever evil they have not yet perpetrated is merely beyond their means.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 8 2024 1:39 utc | 37
Hezbollah Escalates – Resistance Roundup – Day 398
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/hezbollah-escalates-resistance-roundup-day-398/
Merkava Tally as of Thursday
night local time
254 destroyed (unchanged)
693 approx. damaged (unchanged)
Posted by: Exile | Nov 8 2024 1:40 utc | 38
Posted by: eagle eye | Nov 7 2024 18:29 utc | 12
Anyone stupid enough to think a Trump presidency will change anything needs to focus on the FACT that all but one of the congress membership has their own personal AIPAC minder telling the how to vote on any issue that impacts Israel or its interests.
<= You have confused the USA and its government with America! One is a corporation chartered by a constitution the other is a nation of people.. and until recently the people have not felt it necessary to exercise their right of self-determination..
Americans in general are appalled over AIPAC's own and control everything influence over not just innocent governments but also by their indoctrination that influence has permitted. It stretches over media, music, discourse, education, government contracting, grants, venture capital investing, finance, banking and the electoral process.. Don't forget the essence of empire Zionism is greed, not race, color, religion or ethnic groin. The theory is that greed attracts and self organizes its victims into cooperatives that build monopoly powers and use the monopoly powers to build and maintain global empires.
Americans are waking to a need to counter greed and selfish oriented ideologies in not only their government but also in the institutions that government supports. These greedy few infiltrate into institutions and build coalitions which are capable of imposing bias. The RE:REPUBLIC thing above mentioned is but one example of the rising resistance. There is general agreement among many people distributed through many nations that governments, banks, media, large corporations and large institutions offer a place for ideological bias to incubate and to grow. To be free societies need their governments, institutions and leaders to remain free of narrative bias, legal bias and political bias. Ideologies gain momentum because they bias populations.
take a look at what 1% influence can do to bias the thinking of a society.. if you assume influence happens in cycles. and that after each cycle the persons influenced by the ideology increases by just 1% and if you assume a two year election period is the influence cycle, then you can expect results such as the table suggests. Assume that this all started in 1945[79 years to 2024] and that a bias cycle is two years in duration. means 39.5 biasing cycles have occurred and nearly 100% of the population has been influenced by it?)
The % bias in the table means the percentage of the unbiased population that the ideology influences on each cycle. Also it is assumed the influence factor increases with each cycle by 1%..
rate _____ people still ____ people
% bias ____ unbiased ____ biased
0.00% _______ 1000 ________ 0
1.00% ________ 990 _______ 10
2.00% ________ 970 _______ 30
3.00% ________ 941 _______ 59
4.00% ________ 903 _______ 97
5.00% ________ 858 ______ 142
6.00% ________ 807 ______ 193
7.00% ________ 750 ______ 250
8.00% ________ 690 ______ 310
9.00% ________ 628 ______ 372
10.00% _______ 565 ______ 435
11.00% _______ 503 ______ 497
12.00% _______ 443 ______ 557
13.00% _______ 385 ______ 615
14.00% _______ 331 ______ 669
15.00% _______ 282 ______ 718
16.00% _______ 237 ______ 763
17.00% _______ 196 ______ 804
18.00% _______ 161 ______ 839
19.00% _______ 130 ______ 870
20.00% _______ 104 ______ 896
21.00% ________ 82 ______ 918
22.00% ________ 64 ______ 936
23.00% ________ 49 ______ 951
24.00% ________ 38 ______ 962
25.00% ________ 28 ______ 972
26.00% ________ 21 ______ 979
27.00% ________ 15 ______ 985
28.00% ________ 11 ______ 989
29.00% _________ 8 ______ 992
30.00% _________ 5 ______ 995
31.00% _________ 4 ______ 996
32.00% _________ 3 ______ 997
33.00% _________ 2 ______ 998
34.00% _________ 1 ______ 999
35.00% _________ 1 ______ 999
Left unchecked everyone will eventually become victim to the ideology that influence imposed on a society.. But what I see is growing resistance to ideologies that deny the American way of life.. the next few years are going to be very interesting because I feel it happening, the American heartland is planning to use Trump to rally its effort to reestablish its presence in the USA. The USA may not have the authority to assist Israel at least not in the way it has done in the past.
Posted by: snake | Nov 8 2024 1:42 utc | 39
michaelj72,
The Title is indeed misleading from PC. Good catch. The writers at PC must be under brutal pressure these days. The text makes it clear the attack was on a military facility.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 8 2024 1:43 utc | 40
IMHO Iran needs to complete the process and develop nukes ASAP. That will eliminate the ability for the US president to make terrorist threats (such as Trump's threat to destroy 52 cultural heritage sites), and Israel from threatening to take out a city if Iran retaliates for its ongoing genocide and terrorist attacks.
At that point it becomes a conventional war of attrition, and Zionists and the US can pack their bags.
Thoughts? It's the only responsible thing to do in my opinion Since Trump clearly is staffing his administration with all kinds of Ziocon freaks (eg. Hook, Pompeo).
Posted by: HD | Nov 8 2024 2:48 utc | 41
english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/al-houthi--us-officials-view-spineless-arab-leaders-as--dair
Al-Houthi: US officials view spineless Arab leaders as 'dairy cows'
Sayyed Abdul-Malik al-Houthi criticized Arab regimes' response to Israeli aggression during his latest speech where he also discussed Trump's victory.
The leader of the Yemeni Ansar Allah movement, Sayyed Abdul-Malik Badreddine al-Houthi, lamented Arab governments for their feeble response to the Israeli war of genocide against Palestinians, during a speech on Thursday.
Sayyed al-Houthi started his speech with an overview of the horrific massacres committed by Israeli occupation forces in the Gaza Strip, specifically focusing on developments in the northern Gaza Strip.
"The Israeli enemy is committing genocidal crimes in the Gaza Strip, targeting all [essential] aspects of life, and has carried out more than 30 massacres within a week," the Yemeni leader explained.....
...."The current Arab position of most regimes is dangerous, and it is tragic to see them merely as spectators of this suffering," he underscored.....
....He explained that "despite all the horrific crimes and violations of sacred sites committed by the occupation, these have not pushed some regimes to label it as a terrorist entity," adding that some Arab media outlets failed to properly classify the grave crimes and even shamefully support the enemy.....
...."Hezbollah overcame all difficulties and achieved victories, standing as a pillar for the Palestinian people," he said, adding "It stood firmly against the enemy, which launched an aggression with full American [cooperation]."....
Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 8 2024 3:28 utc | 42
Posted by: HD | Nov 8 2024 2:48 utc | 41
Iran says they dont need one, there is a fatwah against making them. Raising the red flag when Soulemani was killed may mean they can be secretive. I have no idea the history behind the flag, much less the lore, but I will always believe it was a very significant event.
However, Iran not needing it has got me thinking.
If you could build 1000 cruise missiles that could reach Israel, or 1 nuclear missile, which would be better to have?
I have no idea how much a nuke costs to build and maintain, especially a prototype, but economics seems to me to say nukes are only somewhat more economical by firepower, especially now with hypersonic cruise missiles that their kinetic energy is their payload, eg, the fuel determines the punch.
Besides nuclear weapons irradiating the Palestine they are trying to save, they also have a higher chance of being shot down: 60 of 100 cruise missiles shot down is way better than 1/1 nuclear missiles shot down.
Strategic nukes are supposed to deter an enemy strategically, hiroshima and nagasaki the vulgar display of power, and moment of understanding of all people.
9 years ago I said Iran would shock the world one day with a new weapon, but did not specify how.
I looked at the industrial capacity of Iran, their mountainous terrain, their leadership, and their cruise missiles at the time, (which I saw now unfindable footage of the fake Nimitz they made and blew up... not the promotional video, but actual video), their cruise missiles at the time were actually highly advanced.
I then thought of the power of the English longbowman, and how it transformed the battlefield, then I thought about what Iran could do if it mass produced its cruise missile and aa missiles and focused mostly on small weapons (like the mosquito fleet), foregoing big tanks and sexy fighter jets for more missiles...
...and I guessed they could have a million missiles in ten years. America used to make 5 million cars a year in the 1950s.
So, say they only have 100,000, they can still launch 2000 at Tel Aviv Iron dome is good, but not that good.
And that could display to the world, that you dont need nuclear weapons to possess a strategic deterrent.
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 8 2024 3:54 utc | 43
https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1854470125983871317
Jeremy Corbyn @jeremycorbyn
This is the textbook definition of ethnic cleansing.
https://x.com/guardiannews/status/1854247768354922856
Guardian news @guardiannews
Palestinians will not be allowed to return to homes in northern Gaza, says IDF
Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 8 2024 4:24 utc | 44
@33 Suresh
I don't think so, that I give them credit. It is a very big mistake to take these people as stupid or lacking self control. That would also be to excuse their behaviour in some form.
If you cannot see a pattern or method behind their actions, because you focus on their lost moral position and translate that prematurely into a success of opposition, or because you feel that they cannot possibly stand their ground into the future, then you are, politely, speculating.
In conflict momentum, visible objectives and positive sentiment are vital to any endeavour. These are subtle realities that shape the energy and psyche of people and populations. They are not the end all but they are very powerful, hence the vast propaganda efforts to generate popular consent and support, to suppress dissent.
One facet is missing from that, and that is discipline. If we are not rigorous in our criticism, including criticism of own views, then we are more open to deception. Discipline means in a sense realism.
Realism is conflictive with positive projection of circumstance, and as that projection is vital to maintain anima realism can be seen as negative, or simply be contorted or arrogated. That is to say you say your view is more real, opponents say their projection is more real .
That is like "how about you and he fight" to find out who is right.
That is where we are now, this conflict has been encouraged. Innocent people are being hurt in the midst of it.
The restraint you talk of is moral restraint. That they have no moral restraint. The restraint I talk of is regarding calculated actions, where they will wait until all is lined up in their favour before acting. The military is a massive enterprise, it does not just go around firing wildly from the hip. Troops might do, and planners might calculate how to include excesses in their destruction for effect or out of hate even, but the whole direction is crafted out. The direction might be wrong, misguided or evil, but it is carefully mapped. There is much restraint needed to put on and manage a show of this kind, to deceive and bluff so that true intent is hidden.
Iran is peer level ? You would not know until several million are dead.
Arch, you don't think there were decades of "Israeli" stockpiling before they unleashed it ? They could have acted like this five years ago if chosen, it would not have been beyond means. They did not though.
Either way, you must both be aware that you do not know what cards "Israel" holds. What you have not seen it exhibit does not imply lack of. The same goes for Iran.
We do know "Israel" is conventionally limited. We know the US is much less so but is not capable of a prolonged ground offensive. We know Iran has a mixed capability and in theory would be capable of a long ground defense or offensive.
That does not add up well for anyone, so I cannot encourage that, and the only way I know to confront that is to speak as honestly as possible. I don't go for posturing or bluffing to make a point, and though what I say might jolt the pro-resistance sentiment I would not have said what I have if I thought the combination of "Israel" and US would not be able to visit a great form of destruction on the region, conventionally or otherwise.
As few here are likely to be directly caught up in a regional war, it seems unjust to encourage that confrontation.
That still leaves the problem of how to deal with "Israel" though, and I do not have an answer for that, especially given the international support it receives.
It's all just not a good layout in any way or form.
Posted by: Ornot | Nov 8 2024 4:39 utc | 45
From Iran Observer on Twitter
⚡️JUST INIran carried out a Decapitation operation against Israeli funded Jaish Al-Adl terrorist group
12 senior members including its leader Salahuddin Farooqui has been neutralized
The second and third in command are also among the dead
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 8 2024 5:07 utc | 46
Posted by: Ornot | Nov 8 2024 4:39 utc | 45
May I intrude upon the conversation?
Although I agree on your point about restraint (and it ends up close to the distinction of an army's morale and an army's moral), what was being discussed was an abstract point about the character of the IDF's attack.
Of course israel will only attack within the bounds of what it can get away with, and that was a bit of the point by suresh (although literally not what was stated but the other targets show that it was what was meant).
The fact is that the west's support in the previous waves has emboldened the IDF to go for a strong strike as a retaliation.
Another (likely) fact is that the strike failed (or was partially aborted) compared to the original breadth and scope.
This last assertion, if proven correct, would mean that (at least without direct us support in the attacks themselves) IDF had found its match.
Now you can say that normally peer level is used only for top shelf confrontations, and that if peer to IDF is possibly correct, to a full assault by the west it is far from established.
And you are not wrong at all that thousands (precise magnitude uncertain beyond that) would perish if things came to a full on exchange.
Now...Neither of those two have truly "want" to go all in. And any encouragement here is highly unlikely to change that.
my 2 rials
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 8 2024 5:52 utc | 47
@UWDude | Nov 8 2024 3:54 utc | 43
Agreed about conventional missiles and cruise missiles by the hundreds of thousands, but that still does not prohibit Israel or the United States from threatening to nuke Iranian cities, or actually nuking cities. Once Iran weaponizes and MAD is established (as it has been with North Korea) it becomes a conventional war of attrition, and that's where Iran's conventional missiles come in, and that's how Israel loses.
This is why the imperialists and Zionists claim that "Iran must never be able to possess nuclear weapons"...they know once it happens they are done in the region.
Posted by: HD | Nov 8 2024 6:03 utc | 48
Zionist Knesset’s approval today of a law stipulating the trial and imprisonment of Palestinian children under the age of 14, as punishment for their resistance and rejection of the occupation; is a flagrant violation of international covenants and treaties, and the United Nations Conventions on the Rights of the Child, and is a criminal step that comes in the context of the atrocities practiced by the fascist occupation. Nothing to see world, fill threads with which zionist pitch will exterminate Palestinians faster than the other
Posted by: Hankster | Nov 8 2024 6:25 utc | 49
https://x.com/LibyaLiberty/status/1854320904949391582
Hend Amry @LibyaLiberty
Remember when everyone swore they were just looking for tunnels and hostages? Remember when they said we were hysterical I mean bigots for claiming they would absolutely ethnically cleanse and annex Gaza? Remember when every red line was crossed with total impunity?
They announced their plans to annex Gaza before any election results. Because they knew nothing would change. Israel’s crimes have full throated bipartisan support. Always have.
https://x.com/guardiannews/status/1854247768354922856
Guardian news @guardiannews
Palestinians will not be allowed to return to homes in northern Gaza, says IDF
Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 8 2024 6:27 utc | 50
What this about a bunch of IDF on vacation in Amsterdam running amok and brutalizing the locals ?
Posted by: Exile | Nov 8 2024 6:33 utc | 51
Posted by: HD | Nov 8 2024 6:03 utc | 48
missile defenses, esp Iranian, are really good now.
I brainstormed a bit a few days ago about estimating Israels nuclear weapon stockpile...
...That strike against Iran, with 3 supposed waves, but two and three canceled because something happened during one, that may have been a dry run for nuclear strike. Remember, this was well within big election news window...
...I surmised multiply big shot missiles possible in wave two and three times five...
IIRC, there were 100 tankers; in the area, including repurposed F-15s, and something like 53 strike aircraft.
They would have had to carry many dummies and anti radar missiles in wave two.
So I really can't see how they would have got in with more than 10 or 20 nuclear payload weapons in the third wave...
...so 50 to 100.
However, part of me thinks Israel is bluffing, and has zero nuclear weapons. Regardless, US would supply any called chips.
But I actually think that is the plan, USA donates nukes to Israel, (all legal of course!), and Israel strikes.
Either way, USreal has an issue,and I wish I remember the term, but it is basically temerity of using weapons because if you lose it it is too expensive.
The second is "abush", a strategic ambush. Draw them nice and close. It takes years and patience, patience, restraint, humility, years, let the rickets and cruise missiles saturate everywhere, all at once, at all those piddly aa weak bases. Trust your air defense to stop the first nukewave, (pray for none, expect a few to get through), Then let Russia warn Israel, "surrender now".
USA and Israel, out of muddle east, in a couple days.
The Mahdi has arrived.
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 8 2024 6:34 utc | 52
Americans Voted for Change—that is,
- More genocide
- More assassinations (Soleimani won't be the last)
- More biolabs
- More epstein
- More blackrock
- More war
- More mossad
- More surveillance
- More HAARP ships on the mediterranean, like the ones blasting Valencia and Cyprus so hard that the beams show on weather maps
- More pandemics
- More Musk/Harari transhumanism
- More satanic vampirism upon poor Europe
- More israel, most likely in former Ukraine too
... because that's what they got last time they voted for Drumpf.
Good thing there's Iran, Donbass, the Palestinians, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Too soon to say anything about Russia or China.
Posted by: Jack M | Nov 8 2024 6:51 utc | 53
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 8 2024 6:34 utc | 52
I also dont know how far you can "push" islamic law. Like any other law, there becomes interpretations of what is forbidden.
I definitely think it is in Iran's best interest to have nukes.
I explained last post how a conventional strike could possibly win a nuclear war.
If Iran could tip 100 of their missiles with tactical nukes, USRael would never want to find out, hence no fuck around..
Iran has every right to have nukes, and should. However, their leader says no, and that says something about Iran, and how serious it takes its religion, and it may actually also be the correct policy.
He knows far more than me about Iranian capabilities, and they could conceivably already be under Russian retaliatory protection.
And Israel may be dumb enough to fuck around... ...with Russia... ..because USreal isreally arrogant.
And now its guns on the streets, we just pump slugs in motherfuckers. No more fist fights like Ukraine.
Does Russia consider Jews a brother race like Ukrainians?
That is the big question isn't it?
Lavrov is a diplomat, and he says the right things, something like:
"We saved your ass in ww ii, Don't even think about it."
Like I said, he's the diplomat, so it was a little more congenial.
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 8 2024 6:57 utc | 54
Once Iran has nukes, all options are not on the table (if you will) for the US and it's genocidal proxy. Khamenei already intimated that Iran's nuclear doctrine is flexible based on threats to the nation. Trump's election and the return of pasty Ziocon warwhores like Hook and Pompeo should legitimate such a change. Once Israel's monopoly on violence is over the population will run screaming back to New York and California. Personally I'm giddy about the prospect.
Posted by: HD | Nov 8 2024 7:23 utc | 55
Does Russia consider Jews a brother race like Ukrainians?
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 8 2024 6:57 utc | 54
Does Russia consider Ethiopian Jews a brother race?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 8 2024 7:53 utc | 56
all options are not on the table
Posted by: HD | Nov 8 2024 7:23 utc | 55
cute.
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 8 2024 8:03 utc | 57
Does Russia consider Ethiopian Jews a brother race?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 8 2024 7:53 utc | 56
brutha race.
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 8 2024 8:04 utc | 58
Posted by: HD | Nov 8 2024 7:23 utc | 55
why a change now? Was Schumer et al not enough? One year of democrat rubblizing of Palestine not enough.
Do nuclear explosives purposed for experimental tunnel digging count as a nuclear weapon? Asking for a friend.
I have a theory about Pakistan, India, and Iran, half baked..
..and it kind of thinks Iran has had a nuke since at least november 2003. BAM!
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 8 2024 8:10 utc | 59
For the First Time President Putin Spoke the Word Genocide to Apply to Israel and Allies in Palestine
https://x.com/bears_with/status/1854742712232124652
"This modern Western liberalism seeks to justify neo-nazism, terrorism, racism and even the mass genocide of civilians."
Meeting of the Valdai Discussion Club
https://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/75521
"Vladimir Putin took part in the plenary of the XXI Annual Meeting of the International Discussion Club 'Valdai."
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 8 2024 8:19 utc | 60
The Anti-Genocide Project: 'And Counting...'
https://x.com/Alexander_Avina/1854372656260546563
"85,000 tons of explosives. 7 nuclear bomb equivalents. And counting."
Palestinian civilians still asking intrepid Al Jazeera Gaza journalists: 'Where is the international community?' Good question. Still no answer.
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 8 2024 8:28 utc | 61
'And Counting'...
https://x.com/Alexander_Avina/status/1854372656260546563
"85,000 tons of explosives. 7 nuclear bombs equivalents. And counting."
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 8 2024 8:35 utc | 62
Many moons ago I made the fairly pedestrian prediction that Israel's actions in Palestine would endanger Jews globally and that nuclear actions on the part of Israel could lead to another genocide of the Jews.
Here's a new video of the incident in Amsterdam where Israelis are reportedly being beaten and forced to say "Free Palestine":
https://youtu.be/68-1RDheLck?si=b_s0yTg-CQOi5DDv
People are really angry.
Imagine how it's going to turn out once Israel decides to exercise it's Sampson option ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 8 2024 8:52 utc | 63
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 8 2024 8:52 utc | 63
watch for outrage over this.
but flattened city? nah.
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 8 2024 9:27 utc | 64
Re: Amsterdam
Arch,
It was my understanding the vacationing IDF started tearing down Palestine Banners and attacking anti-genociders. Only then did the victims react.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 8 2024 9:52 utc | 65
It was my understanding the vacationing IDF started tearing down Palestine Banners and attacking anti-genociders. Only then did the victims react.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 8 2024 9:52 utc | 65
Yes. And regardless they would have been beaten up in any era.
However if you listen to what the beaters are shouting at the beatees, they're scolding them for murdering kids in Gaza.
The anger and hatred in their voices is remarkable.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 8 2024 10:09 utc | 66
Re: Amsterdam
Arch,It was my understanding the vacationing IDF started tearing down Palestine Banners and attacking anti-genociders. Only then did the victims react.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 8 2024 9:52 utc | 65
Last night there was a Europa-League football match in Amsterdam (Ajax vs Maccabi Tel Aviv), and apparently zionist fans started singing and shouting chants, denigrating the Palestinians (and Arabs in general), and then everything escalated from there.
Posted by: jure | Nov 8 2024 10:13 utc | 67
The big question here is why FIFA, UEFA, IIHF, IOC, ESC and other organizations allow the zionists to compete in their tournaments and events despite genocide...
Posted by: jure | Nov 8 2024 10:23 utc | 68
Posted by: jure | Nov 8 2024 10:23 utc | 68
Because they're all controlled by the same Jewish Council of Elders that sits at the top of the Western political, intellectual and financial hierarchy.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 8 2024 10:47 utc | 69
Reports of 'possible hostage taking' of Haifa fans in Amsterdam.
⚡️Amsterdam Police: We are investigating reports of possible hostage-taking after riots following the Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv match .🇳🇱🇮🇱
Ajax won 5 Nil
Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 8 2024 11:04 utc | 70
The Maccabees "fans" also refused to stand or stay silent for one minute, in respect for the 200+ dead in Valencia.
***
Many EU countries now have populations that support Palestine (or at a minima are fed up with the Genocide) This is an undercurrent that we will seee amplify. Governments such as the "Germans" (whomever, may remain!) or the UK are using stricter and more repressive policies to try to force obedience. Surely this cannot be sustainable. So I, for one, hope to see much more "direct" action appearing.
Anyway the start will be to throw Zionists out of the UN.
Suppressed News.
@SuppressedNws
⚡️BREAKING: Israeli PM Netanyahu announces that Israel is sending two 'rescue planes' to Amsterdam after reports of dozens injured.
The Mossad and Shin Bet are urgently sending agents into the streets of the Netherlands under the direction of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, “Agents have received instructions to eliminate anyone who poses a threat”—Hebrew Media
Videos: More footage of Maccabi Tel Aviv Israelis getting attacked in the Netherlands.
“Now you know how it feels huh?”
https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1854714327665660040
Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:12 utc | 72
Other footage on this thread:
Suppressed News.
@SuppressedNws
⚡️BREAKING: Maccabi Tel Aviv hooligans are getting attacked right now in the Netherlands after ignoring the minute of silence for Valencia victims and singing racist chants about extermination of Arabs.
Dutch Moroccans are making them aware that this isn’t Israel.
https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1854691824859803834
Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:14 utc | 73
Re: Amsterdam
Let’s be clear - those Israeli Football Fans vacationing in Amsterdam were likely nearly all IDF reservists or conscripts. No wonder they ran amok.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 8 2024 11:15 utc | 74
Hanan Ashrawi
@DrHananAshrawi
Israel is yet again exporting its racism, hooliganism, & violence to the world, then claiming victimhood.
https://x.com/DrHananAshrawi/status/1854793240458719369
Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:17 utc | 75
PALESTINE ONLINE 🇵🇸
@OnlinePalEng
Palestinian students in Gaza who received scholarships abroad organize a protest against the Israeli occupation's closing of the borders and denying them from pursuing their studies.
https://x.com/OnlinePalEng/status/1854499118493696006
Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:19 utc | 76
Ha!ha! Pogram indeed (not). Not even close to what is being inflicted on the Palestinians. They are IDF only getting some of what they deserve.
Bari Weiss
@bariweiss
There is a pogrom unfolding right now on the streets of Amsterdam.
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Aviva Klompas
@AvivaKlompas
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10h
Once again Jews cannot walk safely through the streets of Europe.
Violent thugs in Amsterdam are beating Jews and nobody is doing anything to stop them.
Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:25 utc | 77
Khalissee
How it all started:
@Kahlissee
🚨🇮🇱🇹🇷 'Let the IDF win to Fuck the Arabs!'
Maccabi Tel Aviv hooligans chant whilst being protected by the police in Amsterdam.
The song has a verse saying,'There are no schools in Gaza because there are no children left.'
This is how Demonic they are
https://x.com/Kahlissee/status/1854678905015144571
Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:28 utc | 78
Rania Khalek
@RaniaKhalek
The Israeli government is in peak propaganda mode right now trying to frame violence between genocidal Israeli soccer hooligans and the locals they provoked as some sort of pogrom.
They are determined to strip away any meaning of antisemitism or its history for psychotic political ends. Sort of incredible to see how there is no low.
https://x.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1854749479011840461
Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:30 utc | 79
Ryan Rozbiani
@RyanRozbiani
The Full Story of What Happened in Amsterdam between Maccabi Tel Aviv Fans and Pro-Palestine
https://x.com/RyanRozbiani/status/1854735598113747173
Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:34 utc | 80
https://youtube.com/shorts/-G-jxb9qbkE?si=MNiIC_jpCEW6NAGl
I'm impressed by John Mearsheimer.
Always thought he was a weasel but I must say he displays more moral backbone then most in the stratum of American society he inhabits.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 8 2024 11:35 utc | 81
👻➡️ youness.ouaali
@YounessOuaali
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9h
Let's not forget what they did last week in Greece. All together, they assaulted a pro-Palestine supporter, and now they're crying like baby’s.
https://x.com/YounessOuaali/status/1854713022670885359
Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:37 utc | 82
This is how Demonic they are.
Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:28 utc | 78
This is how shameful and morally bankrupt the Dutch authorities are, and how totally intellectually and spiritually lost Dutch society is.
For the last 26 years anti-Muslim sentiment has been systematically fueled by the Dutch Government and therefore understood by the majority of Dutch as authorised (which in Dutch culture is paramount),proper and desirable. The Moroccans are discriminated even though the majority are third generation Dutch citizens. (The officially induced hatred for Russians is even stronger).
Dutch society is drenched in white European superiority and the average Dutch person considers themselves better and above almost everyone else. They truly believe in "the garden" and "the jungle". The lack of curiosity, real interest and need for deeper understanding of their own society and politics, and the world, is staggering.
Totally and willingly subservient to the US and NATO, Dutch officialdom and most citizens are staunch supporters of Israel. The fascist Gert Wilders is the natural outcome of Dutch politics of the at least the last three decades, but more like six decades.
As for the Israeli vandals in Amsterdam, they are not "demonic", they are just primitive individuals brought up and used to living in total freedom of expression and action systematically protected from any sort of responsibility and accountability.
That is "the garden" - full freedom for vandals, fascists, criminals, high-level thieves and terrorists who aline with, serve (and dictate) the politics and policies of the 'gardeners'.
Posted by: JB | Nov 8 2024 12:03 utc | 83
If they had been given Madagascar there would be no lemurs left…
King Julian says it was a close call…
Now seriously, how far do they want to aggravate everybody ?
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 8 2024 12:04 utc | 84
I am not anti-Semitic but I am definitely anti-Zionist.
I believe that most of the clear headed posters here feel the same way.
Western press and Israeli politicians are working very hard to present the incidents in Amsterdam as an outbreak of unprovoked antisemitism. The Guardian managed to say this: "Unverified video on social media purportedly filmed on Thursday appeared to show some Maccabi Tel Aviv fans chanting in Hebrew: “Finish the Arabs! We’re going to win!”
Another Israel football team has match scheduled next week in France. That will either be cancelled or will be transformed into a political stunt.
Posted by: jayc | Nov 8 2024 12:30 utc | 86
The jewish lobby and Adelsson etc are constantly referred to as the explanation for the US support for Israel.
I claim that Israel is seen as an essential component for the trilliondollar empire of exceptionality and domination. And that the jewish lobby and individual donors are simply an accompanying bonus to the establishment for doing what the empire already wants to do. But also needs to pretend otherwise for the naive onlookers always ready to accept what is actually an entirely false excuse.
The empire does not want independent economic activity anywhere. Its parasitic mechanism for dominance is simply too vulnerable.
It is a sign of weakness on the part of the altmedia commenters and writers that they are able to believe that Israel controls the US foreign policy. Israel does what the empire wants them to do.
When will people wake upp about this? That Mearsheimers claims it isnt stupidity. He is an insider and it is his task to make us believe it. But it remains an utter falsehood.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 8 2024 12:34 utc | 87
Posted by: JB | Nov 8 2024 12:03 utc | 83
So sad JB.
:(
This is what happens to society when oligarchs destroy the left via monetary silencing propaganda and there is no longer any real left wing opposition.
Your choices are a little bit right, right , or way right. History shows this is how it always ends up as the Overton window keeps moving to the right. Without a true left wing opposition.
Sahra Wagenknecht, every country needs one like her - NOW!
Sahra should Expose the monetary silencing propaganda for what it is - complete bullshit. That was used to destroy the left. Gold standard, fixed exchange rate fairy tales. Sahra should show clearly that these people don't even understand what we have, but try to brainwash and convince people that they know how to fix it.
Built it in Holland and they will come. People are screaming all over the world for a true left wing opposition. To end this 50 year madness and failed experiment.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 8 2024 12:36 utc | 88
Singing genocide songs about dead gazan kids then crying an hour later as justice gets served back
Posted by: Hankster | Nov 8 2024 13:07 utc | 89
Singing genocide songs about dead gazan kids then crying an hour later as justice gets served back
Posted by: Hankster | Nov 8 2024 13:07 utc | 90
Posted by: Jack M | Nov 8 2024 6:51 utc | 53
You sound like someone whose pussy hurts. Was it grabbed to much?
Posted by: Feck | Nov 8 2024 13:13 utc | 91
From Middleeasteye:
This morning, Israeli soldiers reportedly demolished homes in Gaza, described as an act of reprisal for recent events in Amsterdam which saw Israeli football fans instigated violence in Amsterdam, attacking Palestinian supporters before the Ajax-Maccabi Tel Aviv match.
“We dedicate this explosion to all the fans of Maccabi Tel Aviv. We’ll get to all of you, you sons of bitches,” a statement from Israeli soldiers read.
Tweet and video:
Israeli soldiers blow up homes in Gaza this morning, in revenge for the events in Amsterdam the two past days.
“We dedicate this explosion to all the fans of Maccabi Tel Aviv. We’ll get to all of you, you sons of **”
Posted by: teri | Nov 8 2024 14:02 utc | 92
Idf beat Palestinians away from al-aqsa mosque. Worth watching the big guy at the end and his bravery in the face of his female IDF oppressor.
https://t.me/QudsNen/132897
Posted by: Hankster | Nov 8 2024 14:42 utc | 93
reply to 92
They really are leaning Nazi these day. Pogroms, genocide, reprisals against civilians. wow, just wow...
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 8 2024 14:44 utc | 94
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 8 2024 12:34 utc | 87
The empire does not want independent economic activity anywhere. Its parasitic mechanism for dominance is simply too vulnerable. [Everyone] does what the empire wants them to do. <= or else!
<= the thing that must be understood is the empire is not made up of a coalition of governments, nor is it the people that get appointed to lead the governments. Greed has transformed our government from a device designed to secure the needs of those it governs to a device (weapon) which can be aimed at populations which refuse to conform their behaviors and aimed at populations that refuse to accept indoctrination as a substitute for logical thinking.
The demands that governments, institutions and enterprises make are derivatives of the demands made by the private Oligarchs.
The source for what national governments will do can be found in the group of privately-owned multi-mega corporate economic empires and can be found in the thinking of the oligarchs that own these economic empires. These privately owned economic empires are highly distributed throughout the global economic space and are constituted in many forms, shapes and types. So it is the collective of these empires and their Oligarch owners that own everything, control everything and decide everything.
Politicians are appointed to manage and use governments to ensure governed populations do as private owners of the economy expect.. When a politician fails the oligarch, the politician is removed. When the people of a nation become restless, the NGOs are sent in, the regime in power is changed, and the media distributed propaganda becomes nearly continuous with life.
Its going to take the people victimized by these demands, not the governments, not the leaders of industry, not the bankers, not the military or its ex-generals, not the social scientists in the world but instead, its going to take the everyday people to find ways to disentangle the bonds and to destroy the powerful links which exist between the various empires and the governments, institutions and enterprises that empire-greed controls [There is not just one empire, there are many empires]. There is a whole collection of empires lead by one or some of the most greedy in the world.
The ordinary people of the world are going to have to find effective ways to respond to outrageous propaganda and maldirected government, institutional, or corporate demands when those demands promote corruption of human purpose, violation or infringement of human rights.
Posted by: snake | Nov 8 2024 14:51 utc | 95
Posted by: JAB | Nov 8 2024 15:07 utc | 96
Posted by: JAB | Nov 8 2024 15:07 utc | 96
Israel won't let IDF go to countries where people beat up IDF in the street?
Hmmm. Sounds like those who beat up the IDF folk get what they want, no more IDF in their country.
Whether action considered right or wrong, it seems to work.
Posted by: saner | Nov 8 2024 15:28 utc | 97
https://asawinstanley.substack.com/p/how-close-is-the-israeli-army-to
Posted by: JAB | Nov 8 2024 15:36 utc | 98
Newbie 47
Israel has attacked Palestinians with a they haven't got away with anything. The dark mindset that has evolved in Israeli society that Nazi brutality is working is an illusion created by US providing free bombs, that we designed to demolish cities in far off countries, in Israelis ' own vicinity, as if London was bombing Wembley.
Nobody in the world can grasp the intensity of hatred and Racism that would destroy itself. How did Jews manage to live next door to people they hated so much, unless they despised them completely?
When Cain kills Abel, Abel tells him that his own sin will fall on Cain's shoulders because he couldn't control his hatred. Qur'an.
The Jews only hate the Muslims because Islam is the same religion as Judaism but which they practise, but the Jews have abandoned, patience, tolerance , co-operation, reconciliation.
It's impossible to tolerate the continued existence of the governments of Washington, London or Tel Aviv after they have abandoned all self-control in pursuit of their own greed and Empire2 global hegemony.
Either Trump, Starmer and Netanyahu's successor disown the genocide, or they die. If Trump utters one word of support for the genocide as pre-Potus or Potus, he's burnt toast, or worse.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 8 2024 16:04 utc | 99
France-Israel on Nov 14th in the Stade de France at Saint Denis... 80k place in the stands, 15-20k place sold.
With the recent arrest of two french Gendarmes escorting french foreign relation minister in Jerusalem , you can bet the french police will defend the Israeli supporter with a great enthusiasm ...
Will the french police have a Nixon moment ? "Yes they're Arabs , but they're our Arabs !"
Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 8 2024 16:14 utc | 100
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It may be a few weeks before we find out whether Trump is still completely in thrall to Mrs. Adelson. and others of the hyper-Zionist persuasion. We will in January/February find out if he is or is not a fully owned subsidiary.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 7 2024 14:51 utc | 1