A big applause for PSG fans, high five for UEFA and shame on you for french govenment.
“The sprawling tifo – 50 metres wide and 20 metres high, and spread over both tiers of the stands behind the PSG goal – depicted the Palestinian and Lebanese flags with an image of the Al-Aqsa Mosque in occupied East Jerusalem at its centre.
“War on the pitch, but peace in the world,” a message underneath said.
It also showed the historical map of Palestine.”
“French Interior Minister Bruno Retailleau has criticised the unveiling of a giant “Free Palestine” banner by Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) football fans before their team’s UEFA Champions League match against Atletico Madrid, saying it is “unacceptable”.”
“European football’s governing body UEFA told the Reuters news agency that PSG will not face disciplinary proceedings as it only bans political messages deemed insulting or provocative.”
“There will therefore be no disciplinary case because the banner that was unfurled cannot be in this case be considered provocative or insulting in that precise case,” a UEFA spokesperson said.
https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/2024/11/7/psg-fans-free-palestine-tifo-draws-criticism-from-french-minister

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 7 2024 15:46 utc | 3

Posted by: Savonarole | Nov 7 2024 15:48 utc | 4
Yes. However, this unrest might go some way toward shapeshifting Netty’s standing or PR status with the Brandon and/or T administrations. Time will tell.

Posted by: Sticker | Nov 7 2024 15:59 utc | 5

aristodemos | Nov 7 2024 16:45 utc | 6
On what planet is Donald Trump “change”?

Posted by: teri | Nov 7 2024 16:59 utc | 7

teri asks
“on what planet is DT change?”
this is the only revolution amerikaans can do…
voted 3rd party, myself and happy I did

Posted by: furies | Nov 7 2024 17:37 utc | 9

Ran across this: The Rewards and Risks of Islamic Finance https://daily.jstor.org/the-rewards-and-risks-of-islamic-finance/

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Nov 7 2024 18:11 utc | 11

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 7 2024 15:46 utc | 3
Further to that, I’m currently watching a European football match from Galatasary and there is an enormous #FreePalestine banner behind one of the goals. The broadcasters can’t help but show it.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 7 2024 19:11 utc | 13

Posted by: eagle eye | Nov 7 2024 18:29 utc | 12
##########
I read yesterday that Trump may include Massie in his Admin.
Makes a lot of sense from a Zionist perspective. They don’t care if a R or D fills that seat. They own them all except Rashida Talib and Massie.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 7 2024 19:30 utc | 15

@ eagle eye | Nov 7 2024 18:29 utc | 12
Anyone stupid enough to think a Trump presidency will change anything needs to focus on the FACT that all but one of the congress membership has their own personal AIPAC minder telling the how to vote on any issue that impacts Israel or its interests.
That lone renegade is Thomas Massie. He told them to fuck off.
Posted by: eagle eye | Nov 7 2024 18:29 utc | 12
The Aipac minder works for American Caesar.

Posted by: Squeeth | Nov 7 2024 20:08 utc | 17

Khalissee
@Kahlissee
A reporter asks Chomsky if he believes Hezbollah is a terrorist organization:
No, the actual terrorists are the US and Israel. The only reason Hezbollah is labelled as such by the Western media… is because they dare resist their genocidal mania
https://x.com/Kahlissee/status/1854467587939201235

Posted by: Menz | Nov 7 2024 20:25 utc | 19

The Saviour
@stairwayto3dom
🚨#BREAKING: The U.S. Army has confirmed the death of one of its soldiers, who succumbed from his injuries he sustained in Gaza earlier this summer…
https://x.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1854234761243304081

Posted by: Menz | Nov 7 2024 20:27 utc | 21

Nesrine Rizk
@IDinBeirut
I am a proud Lebanese from South Lebanon very proud of my village Meis El Jabal for every house in this video is dying in silence with courage and dignity.. the hearts and souls and stories and memories .. destroyed but not erased .. goodbye my house.. forgive me
https://x.com/IDinBeirut/status/1854297679532052693

Posted by: Menz | Nov 7 2024 20:29 utc | 23

S p r i n t e r
@SprinterFamily
Iranian Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei:
“Who wins the election in America doesn’t matter to us, we simply don’t care at all. Our policies toward the West remain the same, whether this or that person is in power. America is a corrupt, warmongering country. They say one thing and do another. Look at what they did in Iraq and Afghanistan, how their mafia bosses in their military-industrial complex forced the Ukrainians to wage a war against Russia, which they cannot win. And now they support the Zionist regime, as always, without limits in supporting their war crimes and crimes against humanity.”
Image
https://x.com/SprinterFamily/status/1854423872453361963

Posted by: Menz | Nov 7 2024 20:32 utc | 25

Replacing one genocidal lunatic with a more extreme genocidal lunatic ….
Netanyahu Replaces Fired Israeli Defense Minister With ‘Another Genocidal Lunatic’
Posted on November 6, 2024 by Yves Smith
Useful with a link to Nima/Wilkerson and a CommonsDream piece
[…] Larry Wilkerson colorfully weighed in on the Gallant sacking. He sees the shake-up as Netanyahu needing to distract attention from his military failure and domestic pressures. He also describes the number of serious injuries in Lebanon alone as 4,000, which is very high given the short duration of that campaign.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/11/netanyahu-replaces-fired-israeli-defense-minister-with-another-genocidal-lunatic.html

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 7 2024 20:44 utc | 27

As former CENTCOM Commander Frank McKenzie, recently said, “The Houthis [Ansarallah] have prevailed. We have failed. They control the Bab el-Mandeb.” This is a strategic defeat for America. This is another major historical event you’d completely miss if you read the news.
Indi.ca

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 7 2024 21:13 utc | 29

Trump needs 4 years of doing important work that will leave a lasting legacy. Trump has some huge talent on the team NOTWITHSTANDING the dumb balloon of hiring Pompeo or Cotton as Defense Secretary.
If, and its a big IF, Trump keeps Netanyahu from instituting the final rites for Israel, then there is an avenue for ceasefire, perhaps Peace. The U.S. has the power and Trump only has 1 more term of 4 years. $100 million from the Adelson widow pales against the millions of small contributions of other Americans.
https://rumble.com/v5mwjm5-judging-freedom-w-prof-jeffrey-sachs.-the-impact-trump-will-have-on-ukraine.html

Posted by: kupkee | Nov 7 2024 22:35 utc | 31

Dear Ornot, you give the genocides too much credit. They are unable to exercise restraint.
These cowards would bomb Iran back to the stone age given the chance.
Just look at Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen.
Unlike Syria, where they can safely lob stand off munitions, Iran is peer level opponent.
They actually failed.

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 8 2024 0:04 utc | 33

We do not want to be defined by Western standards. We are sovereign people. We are not less civilized and our values are not inferior to Western values. We are not anti-West. It is very important for the voice of the World Majority to be respected and to be heard.” — Abdul Razak Ahmad, special advisor to the Foreign Minister of Malaysia
Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 8 2024 0:51 utc | 34
Insha’Allah

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 8 2024 1:01 utc | 35

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 8 2024 0:04 utc | 33
You are right.
Whatever evil the Zionists can perpetrate they will immediately.
Whatever evil they have not yet perpetrated is merely beyond their means.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 8 2024 1:39 utc | 37

Posted by: eagle eye | Nov 7 2024 18:29 utc | 12
Anyone stupid enough to think a Trump presidency will change anything needs to focus on the FACT that all but one of the congress membership has their own personal AIPAC minder telling the how to vote on any issue that impacts Israel or its interests.
<= You have confused the USA and its government with America! One is a corporation chartered by a constitution the other is a nation of people.. and until recently the people have not felt it necessary to exercise their right of self-determination.. Americans in general are appalled over AIPAC's own and control everything influence over not just innocent governments but also by their indoctrination that influence has permitted. It stretches over media, music, discourse, education, government contracting, grants, venture capital investing, finance, banking and the electoral process.. Don't forget the essence of empire Zionism is greed, not race, color, religion or ethnic groin. The theory is that greed attracts and self organizes its victims into cooperatives that build monopoly powers and use the monopoly powers to build and maintain global empires. Americans are waking to a need to counter greed and selfish oriented ideologies in not only their government but also in the institutions that government supports. These greedy few infiltrate into institutions and build coalitions which are capable of imposing bias. The RE:REPUBLIC thing above mentioned is but one example of the rising resistance. There is general agreement among many people distributed through many nations that governments, banks, media, large corporations and large institutions offer a place for ideological bias to incubate and to grow. To be free societies need their governments, institutions and leaders to remain free of narrative bias, legal bias and political bias. Ideologies gain momentum because they bias populations. take a look at what 1% influence can do to bias the thinking of a society.. if you assume influence happens in cycles. and that after each cycle the persons influenced by the ideology increases by just 1% and if you assume a two year election period is the influence cycle, then you can expect results such as the table suggests. Assume that this all started in 1945[79 years to 2024] and that a bias cycle is two years in duration. means 39.5 biasing cycles have occurred and nearly 100% of the population has been influenced by it?) The % bias in the table means the percentage of the unbiased population that the ideology influences on each cycle. Also it is assumed the influence factor increases with each cycle by 1%.. rate _____ people still ____ people % bias ____ unbiased ____ biased 0.00% _______ 1000 ________ 0 1.00% ________ 990 _______ 10 2.00% ________ 970 _______ 30 3.00% ________ 941 _______ 59 4.00% ________ 903 _______ 97 5.00% ________ 858 ______ 142 6.00% ________ 807 ______ 193 7.00% ________ 750 ______ 250 8.00% ________ 690 ______ 310 9.00% ________ 628 ______ 372 10.00% _______ 565 ______ 435 11.00% _______ 503 ______ 497 12.00% _______ 443 ______ 557 13.00% _______ 385 ______ 615 14.00% _______ 331 ______ 669 15.00% _______ 282 ______ 718 16.00% _______ 237 ______ 763 17.00% _______ 196 ______ 804 18.00% _______ 161 ______ 839 19.00% _______ 130 ______ 870 20.00% _______ 104 ______ 896 21.00% ________ 82 ______ 918 22.00% ________ 64 ______ 936 23.00% ________ 49 ______ 951 24.00% ________ 38 ______ 962 25.00% ________ 28 ______ 972 26.00% ________ 21 ______ 979 27.00% ________ 15 ______ 985 28.00% ________ 11 ______ 989 29.00% _________ 8 ______ 992 30.00% _________ 5 ______ 995 31.00% _________ 4 ______ 996 32.00% _________ 3 ______ 997 33.00% _________ 2 ______ 998 34.00% _________ 1 ______ 999 35.00% _________ 1 ______ 999 Left unchecked everyone will eventually become victim to the ideology that influence imposed on a society.. But what I see is growing resistance to ideologies that deny the American way of life.. the next few years are going to be very interesting because I feel it happening, the American heartland is planning to use Trump to rally its effort to reestablish its presence in the USA. The USA may not have the authority to assist Israel at least not in the way it has done in the past.

Posted by: snake | Nov 8 2024 1:42 utc | 39

IMHO Iran needs to complete the process and develop nukes ASAP. That will eliminate the ability for the US president to make terrorist threats (such as Trump’s threat to destroy 52 cultural heritage sites), and Israel from threatening to take out a city if Iran retaliates for its ongoing genocide and terrorist attacks.
At that point it becomes a conventional war of attrition, and Zionists and the US can pack their bags.
Thoughts? It’s the only responsible thing to do in my opinion Since Trump clearly is staffing his administration with all kinds of Ziocon freaks (eg. Hook, Pompeo).

Posted by: HD | Nov 8 2024 2:48 utc | 41

Posted by: HD | Nov 8 2024 2:48 utc | 41
Iran says they dont need one, there is a fatwah against making them. Raising the red flag when Soulemani was killed may mean they can be secretive. I have no idea the history behind the flag, much less the lore, but I will always believe it was a very significant event.
However, Iran not needing it has got me thinking.
If you could build 1000 cruise missiles that could reach Israel, or 1 nuclear missile, which would be better to have?
I have no idea how much a nuke costs to build and maintain, especially a prototype, but economics seems to me to say nukes are only somewhat more economical by firepower, especially now with hypersonic cruise missiles that their kinetic energy is their payload, eg, the fuel determines the punch.
Besides nuclear weapons irradiating the Palestine they are trying to save, they also have a higher chance of being shot down: 60 of 100 cruise missiles shot down is way better than 1/1 nuclear missiles shot down.
Strategic nukes are supposed to deter an enemy strategically, hiroshima and nagasaki the vulgar display of power, and moment of understanding of all people.
9 years ago I said Iran would shock the world one day with a new weapon, but did not specify how.
I looked at the industrial capacity of Iran, their mountainous terrain, their leadership, and their cruise missiles at the time, (which I saw now unfindable footage of the fake Nimitz they made and blew up… not the promotional video, but actual video), their cruise missiles at the time were actually highly advanced.
I then thought of the power of the English longbowman, and how it transformed the battlefield, then I thought about what Iran could do if it mass produced its cruise missile and aa missiles and focused mostly on small weapons (like the mosquito fleet), foregoing big tanks and sexy fighter jets for more missiles…
…and I guessed they could have a million missiles in ten years. America used to make 5 million cars a year in the 1950s.
So, say they only have 100,000, they can still launch 2000 at Tel Aviv Iron dome is good, but not that good.
And that could display to the world, that you dont need nuclear weapons to possess a strategic deterrent.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 8 2024 3:54 utc | 43

@33 Suresh
I don’t think so, that I give them credit. It is a very big mistake to take these people as stupid or lacking self control. That would also be to excuse their behaviour in some form.
If you cannot see a pattern or method behind their actions, because you focus on their lost moral position and translate that prematurely into a success of opposition, or because you feel that they cannot possibly stand their ground into the future, then you are, politely, speculating.
In conflict momentum, visible objectives and positive sentiment are vital to any endeavour. These are subtle realities that shape the energy and psyche of people and populations. They are not the end all but they are very powerful, hence the vast propaganda efforts to generate popular consent and support, to suppress dissent.
One facet is missing from that, and that is discipline. If we are not rigorous in our criticism, including criticism of own views, then we are more open to deception. Discipline means in a sense realism.
Realism is conflictive with positive projection of circumstance, and as that projection is vital to maintain anima realism can be seen as negative, or simply be contorted or arrogated. That is to say you say your view is more real, opponents say their projection is more real .
That is like “how about you and he fight” to find out who is right.
That is where we are now, this conflict has been encouraged. Innocent people are being hurt in the midst of it.
The restraint you talk of is moral restraint. That they have no moral restraint. The restraint I talk of is regarding calculated actions, where they will wait until all is lined up in their favour before acting. The military is a massive enterprise, it does not just go around firing wildly from the hip. Troops might do, and planners might calculate how to include excesses in their destruction for effect or out of hate even, but the whole direction is crafted out. The direction might be wrong, misguided or evil, but it is carefully mapped. There is much restraint needed to put on and manage a show of this kind, to deceive and bluff so that true intent is hidden.
Iran is peer level ? You would not know until several million are dead.
Arch, you don’t think there were decades of “Israeli” stockpiling before they unleashed it ? They could have acted like this five years ago if chosen, it would not have been beyond means. They did not though.
Either way, you must both be aware that you do not know what cards “Israel” holds. What you have not seen it exhibit does not imply lack of. The same goes for Iran.
We do know “Israel” is conventionally limited. We know the US is much less so but is not capable of a prolonged ground offensive. We know Iran has a mixed capability and in theory would be capable of a long ground defense or offensive.
That does not add up well for anyone, so I cannot encourage that, and the only way I know to confront that is to speak as honestly as possible. I don’t go for posturing or bluffing to make a point, and though what I say might jolt the pro-resistance sentiment I would not have said what I have if I thought the combination of “Israel” and US would not be able to visit a great form of destruction on the region, conventionally or otherwise.
As few here are likely to be directly caught up in a regional war, it seems unjust to encourage that confrontation.
That still leaves the problem of how to deal with “Israel” though, and I do not have an answer for that, especially given the international support it receives.
It’s all just not a good layout in any way or form.

Posted by: Ornot | Nov 8 2024 4:39 utc | 45

Posted by: Ornot | Nov 8 2024 4:39 utc | 45
May I intrude upon the conversation?
Although I agree on your point about restraint (and it ends up close to the distinction of an army’s morale and an army’s moral), what was being discussed was an abstract point about the character of the IDF’s attack.
Of course israel will only attack within the bounds of what it can get away with, and that was a bit of the point by suresh (although literally not what was stated but the other targets show that it was what was meant).
The fact is that the west’s support in the previous waves has emboldened the IDF to go for a strong strike as a retaliation.
Another (likely) fact is that the strike failed (or was partially aborted) compared to the original breadth and scope.
This last assertion, if proven correct, would mean that (at least without direct us support in the attacks themselves) IDF had found its match.
Now you can say that normally peer level is used only for top shelf confrontations, and that if peer to IDF is possibly correct, to a full assault by the west it is far from established.
And you are not wrong at all that thousands (precise magnitude uncertain beyond that) would perish if things came to a full on exchange.
Now…Neither of those two have truly “want” to go all in. And any encouragement here is highly unlikely to change that.
my 2 rials

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 8 2024 5:52 utc | 47

Zionist Knesset’s approval today of a law stipulating the trial and imprisonment of Palestinian children under the age of 14, as punishment for their resistance and rejection of the occupation; is a flagrant violation of international covenants and treaties, and the United Nations Conventions on the Rights of the Child, and is a criminal step that comes in the context of the atrocities practiced by the fascist occupation. Nothing to see world, fill threads with which zionist pitch will exterminate Palestinians faster than the other

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 8 2024 6:25 utc | 49

What this about a bunch of IDF on vacation in Amsterdam running amok and brutalizing the locals ?

Posted by: Exile | Nov 8 2024 6:33 utc | 51

Americans Voted for Change—that is,
– More genocide
– More assassinations (Soleimani won’t be the last)
– More biolabs
– More epstein
– More blackrock
– More war
– More mossad
– More surveillance
– More HAARP ships on the mediterranean, like the ones blasting Valencia and Cyprus so hard that the beams show on weather maps
– More pandemics
– More Musk/Harari transhumanism
– More satanic vampirism upon poor Europe
– More israel, most likely in former Ukraine too
… because that’s what they got last time they voted for Drumpf.
Good thing there’s Iran, Donbass, the Palestinians, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Too soon to say anything about Russia or China.

Posted by: Jack M | Nov 8 2024 6:51 utc | 53

Once Iran has nukes, all options are not on the table (if you will) for the US and it’s genocidal proxy. Khamenei already intimated that Iran’s nuclear doctrine is flexible based on threats to the nation. Trump’s election and the return of pasty Ziocon warwhores like Hook and Pompeo should legitimate such a change. Once Israel’s monopoly on violence is over the population will run screaming back to New York and California. Personally I’m giddy about the prospect.

Posted by: HD | Nov 8 2024 7:23 utc | 55

all options are not on the table
Posted by: HD | Nov 8 2024 7:23 utc | 55
cute.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 8 2024 8:03 utc | 57

Posted by: HD | Nov 8 2024 7:23 utc | 55
why a change now? Was Schumer et al not enough? One year of democrat rubblizing of Palestine not enough.
Do nuclear explosives purposed for experimental tunnel digging count as a nuclear weapon? Asking for a friend.
I have a theory about Pakistan, India, and Iran, half baked..
..and it kind of thinks Iran has had a nuke since at least november 2003. BAM!

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 8 2024 8:10 utc | 59

The Anti-Genocide Project: ‘And Counting…’
https://x.com/Alexander_Avina/1854372656260546563
“85,000 tons of explosives. 7 nuclear bomb equivalents. And counting.”
Palestinian civilians still asking intrepid Al Jazeera Gaza journalists: ‘Where is the international community?’ Good question. Still no answer.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 8 2024 8:28 utc | 61

Many moons ago I made the fairly pedestrian prediction that Israel’s actions in Palestine would endanger Jews globally and that nuclear actions on the part of Israel could lead to another genocide of the Jews.
Here’s a new video of the incident in Amsterdam where Israelis are reportedly being beaten and forced to say “Free Palestine”:
https://youtu.be/68-1RDheLck?si=b_s0yTg-CQOi5DDv
People are really angry.
Imagine how it’s going to turn out once Israel decides to exercise it’s Sampson option …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 8 2024 8:52 utc | 63

Re: Amsterdam
Arch,
It was my understanding the vacationing IDF started tearing down Palestine Banners and attacking anti-genociders. Only then did the victims react.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 8 2024 9:52 utc | 65

Re: Amsterdam

Arch,
It was my understanding the vacationing IDF started tearing down Palestine Banners and attacking anti-genociders. Only then did the victims react.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 8 2024 9:52 utc | 65

Last night there was a Europa-League football match in Amsterdam (Ajax vs Maccabi Tel Aviv), and apparently zionist fans started singing and shouting chants, denigrating the Palestinians (and Arabs in general), and then everything escalated from there.

Posted by: jure | Nov 8 2024 10:13 utc | 67

Posted by: jure | Nov 8 2024 10:23 utc | 68
Because they’re all controlled by the same Jewish Council of Elders that sits at the top of the Western political, intellectual and financial hierarchy.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 8 2024 10:47 utc | 69

The Maccabees “fans” also refused to stand or stay silent for one minute, in respect for the 200+ dead in Valencia.
***
Many EU countries now have populations that support Palestine (or at a minima are fed up with the Genocide) This is an undercurrent that we will seee amplify. Governments such as the “Germans” (whomever, may remain!) or the UK are using stricter and more repressive policies to try to force obedience. Surely this cannot be sustainable. So I, for one, hope to see much more “direct” action appearing.
Anyway the start will be to throw Zionists out of the UN.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 8 2024 11:09 utc | 71

Other footage on this thread:
Suppressed News.
@SuppressedNws
⚡️BREAKING: Maccabi Tel Aviv hooligans are getting attacked right now in the Netherlands after ignoring the minute of silence for Valencia victims and singing racist chants about extermination of Arabs.
Dutch Moroccans are making them aware that this isn’t Israel.
https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1854691824859803834

Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:14 utc | 73

Hanan Ashrawi
@DrHananAshrawi
Israel is yet again exporting its racism, hooliganism, & violence to the world, then claiming victimhood.
https://x.com/DrHananAshrawi/status/1854793240458719369

Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:17 utc | 75

Ha!ha! Pogram indeed (not). Not even close to what is being inflicted on the Palestinians. They are IDF only getting some of what they deserve.
Bari Weiss
@bariweiss
There is a pogrom unfolding right now on the streets of Amsterdam.
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Aviva Klompas
@AvivaKlompas
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10h
Once again Jews cannot walk safely through the streets of Europe.
Violent thugs in Amsterdam are beating Jews and nobody is doing anything to stop them.

Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:25 utc | 77

Rania Khalek
@RaniaKhalek
The Israeli government is in peak propaganda mode right now trying to frame violence between genocidal Israeli soccer hooligans and the locals they provoked as some sort of pogrom.
They are determined to strip away any meaning of antisemitism or its history for psychotic political ends. Sort of incredible to see how there is no low.
https://x.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1854749479011840461

Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:30 utc | 79

https://youtube.com/shorts/-G-jxb9qbkE?si=MNiIC_jpCEW6NAGl
I’m impressed by John Mearsheimer.
Always thought he was a weasel but I must say he displays more moral backbone then most in the stratum of American society he inhabits.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 8 2024 11:35 utc | 81

This is how Demonic they are.
Posted by: Menz | Nov 8 2024 11:28 utc | 78
This is how shameful and morally bankrupt the Dutch authorities are, and how totally intellectually and spiritually lost Dutch society is.
For the last 26 years anti-Muslim sentiment has been systematically fueled by the Dutch Government and therefore understood by the majority of Dutch as authorised (which in Dutch culture is paramount),proper and desirable. The Moroccans are discriminated even though the majority are third generation Dutch citizens. (The officially induced hatred for Russians is even stronger).
Dutch society is drenched in white European superiority and the average Dutch person considers themselves better and above almost everyone else. They truly believe in “the garden” and “the jungle”. The lack of curiosity, real interest and need for deeper understanding of their own society and politics, and the world, is staggering.
Totally and willingly subservient to the US and NATO, Dutch officialdom and most citizens are staunch supporters of Israel. The fascist Gert Wilders is the natural outcome of Dutch politics of the at least the last three decades, but more like six decades.
As for the Israeli vandals in Amsterdam, they are not “demonic”, they are just primitive individuals brought up and used to living in total freedom of expression and action systematically protected from any sort of responsibility and accountability.
That is “the garden” – full freedom for vandals, fascists, criminals, high-level thieves and terrorists who aline with, serve (and dictate) the politics and policies of the ‘gardeners’.

Posted by: JB | Nov 8 2024 12:03 utc | 83

I am not anti-Semitic but I am definitely anti-Zionist.
I believe that most of the clear headed posters here feel the same way.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 8 2024 12:18 utc | 85

The jewish lobby and Adelsson etc are constantly referred to as the explanation for the US support for Israel.
I claim that Israel is seen as an essential component for the trilliondollar empire of exceptionality and domination. And that the jewish lobby and individual donors are simply an accompanying bonus to the establishment for doing what the empire already wants to do. But also needs to pretend otherwise for the naive onlookers always ready to accept what is actually an entirely false excuse.
The empire does not want independent economic activity anywhere. Its parasitic mechanism for dominance is simply too vulnerable.
It is a sign of weakness on the part of the altmedia commenters and writers that they are able to believe that Israel controls the US foreign policy. Israel does what the empire wants them to do.
When will people wake upp about this? That Mearsheimers claims it isnt stupidity. He is an insider and it is his task to make us believe it. But it remains an utter falsehood.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 8 2024 12:34 utc | 87

Singing genocide songs about dead gazan kids then crying an hour later as justice gets served back

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 8 2024 13:07 utc | 89

Posted by: Jack M | Nov 8 2024 6:51 utc | 53
You sound like someone whose pussy hurts. Was it grabbed to much?

Posted by: Feck | Nov 8 2024 13:13 utc | 91

Idf beat Palestinians away from al-aqsa mosque. Worth watching the big guy at the end and his bravery in the face of his female IDF oppressor.
https://t.me/QudsNen/132897

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 8 2024 14:42 utc | 93

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 8 2024 12:34 utc | 87
The empire does not want independent economic activity anywhere. Its parasitic mechanism for dominance is simply too vulnerable. [Everyone] does what the empire wants them to do. <= or else! <= the thing that must be understood is the empire is not made up of a coalition of governments, nor is it the people that get appointed to lead the governments. Greed has transformed our government from a device designed to secure the needs of those it governs to a device (weapon) which can be aimed at populations which refuse to conform their behaviors and aimed at populations that refuse to accept indoctrination as a substitute for logical thinking. The demands that governments, institutions and enterprises make are derivatives of the demands made by the private Oligarchs. The source for what national governments will do can be found in the group of privately-owned multi-mega corporate economic empires and can be found in the thinking of the oligarchs that own these economic empires. These privately owned economic empires are highly distributed throughout the global economic space and are constituted in many forms, shapes and types. So it is the collective of these empires and their Oligarch owners that own everything, control everything and decide everything. Politicians are appointed to manage and use governments to ensure governed populations do as private owners of the economy expect.. When a politician fails the oligarch, the politician is removed. When the people of a nation become restless, the NGOs are sent in, the regime in power is changed, and the media distributed propaganda becomes nearly continuous with life. Its going to take the people victimized by these demands, not the governments, not the leaders of industry, not the bankers, not the military or its ex-generals, not the social scientists in the world but instead, its going to take the everyday people to find ways to disentangle the bonds and to destroy the powerful links which exist between the various empires and the governments, institutions and enterprises that empire-greed controls [There is not just one empire, there are many empires]. There is a whole collection of empires lead by one or some of the most greedy in the world. The ordinary people of the world are going to have to find effective ways to respond to outrageous propaganda and maldirected government, institutional, or corporate demands when those demands promote corruption of human purpose, violation or infringement of human rights.

Posted by: snake | Nov 8 2024 14:51 utc | 95

Posted by: JAB | Nov 8 2024 15:07 utc | 96
Israel won’t let IDF go to countries where people beat up IDF in the street?
Hmmm. Sounds like those who beat up the IDF folk get what they want, no more IDF in their country.
Whether action considered right or wrong, it seems to work.

Posted by: saner | Nov 8 2024 15:28 utc | 97

Newbie 47
Israel has attacked Palestinians with a they haven’t got away with anything. The dark mindset that has evolved in Israeli society that Nazi brutality is working is an illusion created by US providing free bombs, that we designed to demolish cities in far off countries, in Israelis ‘ own vicinity, as if London was bombing Wembley.
Nobody in the world can grasp the intensity of hatred and Racism that would destroy itself. How did Jews manage to live next door to people they hated so much, unless they despised them completely?
When Cain kills Abel, Abel tells him that his own sin will fall on Cain’s shoulders because he couldn’t control his hatred. Qur’an.
The Jews only hate the Muslims because Islam is the same religion as Judaism but which they practise, but the Jews have abandoned, patience, tolerance , co-operation, reconciliation.
It’s impossible to tolerate the continued existence of the governments of Washington, London or Tel Aviv after they have abandoned all self-control in pursuit of their own greed and Empire2 global hegemony.
Either Trump, Starmer and Netanyahu’s successor disown the genocide, or they die. If Trump utters one word of support for the genocide as pre-Potus or Potus, he’s burnt toast, or worse.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 8 2024 16:04 utc | 99