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November 21, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-278

News & views not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine …

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@ UWDude | Nov 22 2024 2:32 utc | 100
Don’t take it personally. This has been typical Typepad behavior for the past couple of weeks.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 22 2024 2:36 utc | 101

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 22 2024 2:36 utc | 101
i have read others saying the same. Just weird. like in one open thread i had a conversation with some one about my dog dying. The whole thing, both his and my posts, about eight in all, disappeared.
So I know they are posting for a bit, and the disappearing.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 22 2024 3:00 utc | 102

A cheery video on the scale of nuclear weapons today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujfC0NgdU48

Posted by: saner | Nov 22 2024 3:03 utc | 103

@ All Under Heaven | Nov 22 2024 1:20 utc | 93
It ain’t rocket science — In China the government controls industry, and builds it, and in the US the opposite is true, industries control the country and outsource to increase profits.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 22 2024 3:06 utc | 104

@Jams O’Donnell | Nov 21 2024 19:27 utc | 49
I read the indi.ca piece a few days ago and was literally in awe at the beautiful asymmetry of this move by China on using the Dollar to take on the Dollar…. and in Riyadh – the heart of the petro-dollar – and the rate and the over-subscription tells us something about how China is viewed
Thank you for further expanding on this ….
It deserves further attention ….

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 22 2024 3:34 utc | 105

Appreciate all the comments on the China-Riyadh-Bond ….
For a non-financial head, such as I, very informative …
Strongly recommend the indi.ca piece linked at #46

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 22 2024 3:54 utc | 106

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 21 2024 22:51 utc | 79 is therefore thoroughly, typically dishonest. Don’t like people pointing out what company you keep, shut up or clean up.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 22 2024 2:10 utc | 97
Ok, so I’m sure the more astute were already aware of this, but I regret to inform the bar, that our unassuming STJ is, in fact, a fed/troll. Don’t believe me? Just observe him for a day or two. It will become very apparent.
Do not touch. Very, very toxic.
Peace to the good people of the bar. Keep working, brothers.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 22 2024 6:34 utc | 107

Jams O’Donnell | Nov 21 2024 19:27 utc | 49
,,,” The beauty of this move is how strategically elegant it is: “…
reminicemt of the earliest tribes/groups of humans, practicing fairness and Mutual Aid that surely aided their survival, no matter how they first arrived/evolved.
Likewise, simple lending/borrowing was logical necessity for survival, only later as surplus food/warer became reliable to employ “profit” or “interest” as the clever way to avoid the constant hard work just to eat and avoid threats to life.

Posted by: chu-teh | Nov 22 2024 7:13 utc | 108

reminicemt of the earliest tribes/groups of humans, practicing fairness and Mutual Aid that surely aided their survival, no matter how they first arrived/evolved.
Posted by: chu-teh | Nov 22 2024 7:13 utc | 108
ahh, yes, the prehistoric noble savage myth. i mean, without writing, lets just make up how wonderful humans were.
yet, since history, humans have been pretty shitty to each other as soon as survival resources necessitated.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 22 2024 8:12 utc | 109

@All Under Heaven | Nov 22 2024 1:20 utc | 93
The political analysis of so called capitalism hardly ever explains its mechanism. In my view it works like this:
The economically independent class (here referred to as EIC) ie those who have, say, a million to invest and leave it to brokers to handle it, constitute a much larger group than those who directly handle the economic machinery. The EIC dont have to be consciously acting politically or otherwise.
They are just a blind strand in the market forces.
The brokers and I include most of the big guys in finance are deterministically following the moves of those movements of the mentioned blind strands.
As long as most of the talk implicitly points to a relatively small group of rich people it fails to adress that there are completely blind forces at work.
Marxism and related phenomena was under complete control of the imperial oligarchy and was never an independent force opposed to the oligarchy.
If there hade existed a genuine opposition it might have involved addressing those blind forces in such a way that these forces could have been redirected rather than being subjected to class war. Redirected to invest in a manner that built an economy for national improvement instead of focusing on more radical egalitarian ideas.
The radical aspect of marxism made it useful for the oligarchy as it directed its momentum to the imperial rivals.
I dont expect that the blind forces would be easily redirected by any moral argument. But I think it suffices that there is an emphasis on the nationbuilding aspect combined with a win-win component.
It is the latter aspect that is missing in most of socialist ideology.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 22 2024 8:54 utc | 110

@ Jack M
> How many Italians love and worship the mafiosos and support them?
“Mafiosos with Italian characteristics” or Spanish characteristics once ran their own cruel nation-states and large empires, for centuries. They just happen to be weaker now, relatively speaking.
@ Ahenobarbus
> prefer the term “Zionists”
That’s a meaningful improvement and maybe we should stop there. But, since we’re discussing it, i personally narrow it one step further: “Israelis”. I don’t see why some subset of “Jews” that long for “their own country” shouldn’t *have* their own country. “Christians” and “Muslims” have or have had many. But, I understand people overlooking or dismissing this distinction, under the current circumstances.

Posted by: I forgot | Nov 22 2024 10:51 utc | 111

Ahenobarbus @107: “Ok, so I’m sure the more astute were already aware of this, but I regret to inform the bar, that our unassuming STJ is, in fact, a fed/troll. Don’t believe me? Just observe him for a day or two. It will become very apparent.”
That’s why I have been referring to that poster as Low-budget Louis Proyect all this time. The poster is as obvious a fed plant as Louis Proyect was. You don’t even need to have read any of his frequent efforts to gaslight and blow smoke about the Deep State not existing. The STJ persona is a pretend leftist because that is what his employer thinks will fly under the radar here.
You can always spot these guys in left organizations because they are the ones with no visible means of support, like economic ghosts (“spooks”, get it? 😁 ). Real leftists have real jobs that leave real evidence like calluses on the hands and grime under the fingernails. Online, you have to watch for the dilettante attitude and the corrupted petite bourgeois interpretation of Marxism. Any of Marx’s (or Lenin’s or Trotsky’s) works these guys ever studied was for their spook job, and the resentment of that effort subconsciously leaks out in their word choice when writing about it. Even Steve Bannon is a more genuine Marxists than Deep State tools like our resident bargain-basement Louis Proyect replacement.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2024 11:35 utc | 112

I wrote a little essay on Alexander Dugin, Alain de Benoîst, Edmund Husserl and the quest for current political ethics; barflies may be interested. It’s here.
To summarize, I think Dugin’s quest for a civilization-making sort of idea is somewhat lopsided next to the poly-cultural point Benoîst makes, which has been a powerful but convoluted influence on the current European political landscape, especially concerning the New Right parties such as Front National and the AfD.
I posit that Benoîst’s important point on poly-cultural societies is not unique to him, but can be independently gained from phenomenology as well; it is provided without the associated political affiliation in very well worked-out form by Bernhard Waldenfels, one of the important figures in a Husserlian tradition. His work touches on the field of ethics, where phenomenology is only now about to develop a coherently stated and fully grounded position, as currently advanced by Iso Kern, Inga Römer and a few others, which looks promising.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 22 2024 11:58 utc | 113

Inspired by @ Posted by: All Under Heaven | Nov 22 2024 1:20 utc | 93
“Realistically, I don’t see America headed towards socialism, “
I see that you are trying to discern the difference but venture that you have the wrong end of the stick. I’ll try and illustrate to see if it makes sense.
America exists on public spending most of it goes to the Bankers and industrialists in the MIC. Pharma, Agro industries .
All soldiers sailors and airmen are ‘socialist’ spending.
ALL government funded people and enterprises are by definition – SOCIALISM. Ie they are not funded by private wealth owners.
Hence when all the private banks and its shareholders got saved – that was pure socialism in action.
When the private Fed insists on giving magik money to the Treasury to spend on all its daily socialism for an interest payment that is the Private Fed making hay from socialism.
The only thing that Yankees understand correctly about them being a capitalist nation is that they were set up and ran as capitalists serfs from day one; that the Spanish crown funded Columbus or King James sent settlers were funded by money lent to those monarchs by the bankers of the day.
However that ended a long time ago.
Now they get socialism and communism confused.
Communism is just capitalism but at state controlled level – ie monopoly, which suits the people who benefit most, just as well.
Marxism is just the AntiCapitalism part of the religion of economics – an invention, just like Christian Church of Rome was an invention.
Marxism is the Satan that enables belief in God, Capitalism.
Marxism manifests not as socialism but hard core communism.
Which is why both are flawed and benefit the very few.
That’s why the Few are enamoured by it and want to promote it.
But it is NOT socialism.
But you are wholly right about
“The choice, as always, is socialism or barbarism,”
America operates as I say a socialist system (not the best- currently that is Russia and China and a couple of the small nordics and Cuba and some others try) but believes itself to be barbarian (individualistic self delusion).
The guns they swear by didn’t make themselves!
Neither did they ‘make’ the money they earn and spend to be individualist capitalists- which most never were.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 22 2024 12:07 utc | 114

Hey b , side bar shows I posted but ain’t appeared yet. will hold of reposting. In meantime another one I worked on earlier to some posters.
@ Posted by: denk | Nov 21 2024 15:49 utc | 20
@ Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 21 2024 16:37 utc | 24
@ Posted by: south | Nov 21 2024 18:26 utc | 40
Here in the U.K. our Great Knight Dope, sHerrKyiyvrStarmztrooper is going ‘full Tonto’.
A card carrying naziofascist supporter of genocide of Palestinians – is daily escalating the efforts to put the country on a direct war footing as it has covertly been for the past 15 years at least. BrexShit was part of that too (one that he enabled – to remove all the MEPs from that EU parliament who would have surely objected to the Ukranian fascists and ziofascists wars).
There are mass recruitment drives being organised for the new year across the cities.
The regions are already streaming zero hour University qualified, students loan loaded , bar tenders – towards the military through major brewery chains.
Witherspoons will be used again to drive the propaganda through their monopoly on cheap beer and only pubs in most big towns!
The advertising and subliminal entertainment media are putting out more shows and storylines. And since yesterday the news propoganda has been crowing about the missile attack on Russia on the back of the supposed nuclear threat by Putin and the fake North Koreans coming to eat our lunch! The FEAR is being unleashed on the population as this Xmas approaches. Just like they did with Covid in winter 2020.
@ Posted by: south | Nov 21 2024 18:26 utc
Yes Robin Cook was one of the greatest of that generation. The Blairites sidelined him and he died early. He was Jeremy Corbyn with added genius – loved by almost every civil servant he worked with (literally by one especially). He stands along with JC as the greatest PM we never got. He exposed the Iraq subterfuge under Thatcher and was against a repetition under Blair. If he had lived Blair would have never got to the third term.
Palestine would have been solved. The illegal apartheid entity would have been de-monstered and its Frankeinstein mad Zionist professors and supporters wouldn’t have gained in strength. The Ukraine putsch wouldn’t have got beyond planning.
We deserve the twats we get as our leaders because we don’t do anything to support decent ones. We believe propaganda and our smug superiority. We don’t want to admit that ‘we are the bad guys’. It’s what happens if you are a silent majority that doesn’t turn out.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 22 2024 12:31 utc | 115

Ahenobarbus | Nov 22 2024 6:34 utc | 107
I wouldn’t recognize a fed troll from a hungry troll, but it appears to me there is confusion on what portion of text is quoted and what is original reply.
Just a simple reminder to all that the quote function is incredibly easy to use and can turn a confusing mishmash of punctuation, italics and what not, into an easy to read, well formatted text.
The instructions are right there at the bottom of the page. Just place the quoted text between BLOCKQUOTE tags. Like the example below :
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 22 2024 6:34 utc | 107

…Peace to the good people of the bar. Keep working, brothers.

Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2024 12:39 utc | 116

Ok the first appeared as soon as I posted my last. Some glitch in the web.
Final one for this thread. A multiresponse. Got to get ready for tonight’s partying!
@Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 21 2024 19:27 utc | 49
Thanks for that and discussion it inspired and SoA’s input.
It shows that the China is not only capable of being the next reserve currency but how it can be trusted to unwind all these trapped by the US Fed with Treasury Bonds – which are not Public Treasury but Private Fed.
It is absolutely not true that the Public Treasury needs to ‘sell’ the Private Bonds to FUND any Public Spending as SunofAlabama will no doubt patiently explain , again, if you ask them.
@ Posted by: petra | Nov 22 2024 0:11 utc | 85
Thanks Petra I had penned the following to help understand the delay.
@Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 21 2024 20:37 utc | 66
@ Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 21 2024 21:10 utc | 74
It’s mostly to do with the fact that the Crown has a fixed Civil Service – career executive department managers who are promoted internally and seperate from political hirelings (spad’s).
Whereas the US executive has wholesale (almost) changes to the executive (civil service appointees). All of which takes months and even then is not complete as many have to be ‘approved’ by the Houses!
It’s a system as shit as any other collective Western democratic pretence.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 22 2024 12:40 utc | 117

Posted by: Walt | Nov 21 2024 11:40 utc
Have you looked around, what other people already do: Save (not only the) Soil? There is probably no need for anoter manifesto. Your actions (karma) count in the long run.

Posted by: limpus | Nov 22 2024 13:58 utc | 118

So… when there’s an article in WaPo or NYT, it can be questioned whether the CIA may have been responsible for its printing. Who would be behind this one appearing on CNN Digital (re-posted here by Canada’s CTV News:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/bears-find-a-buffet-of-battlefield-rations-at-alaska-military-base-1.7119632
“Bears find a buffet of battlefield rations at Alaska military base” [… okay, right there, I’m going, hey… bears, military…. Alaska]
Excerpts:
“There’s an old military adage that an army runs on its stomach, meaning troops need to be well-supplied with food to survive harsh battlefield conditions.” [… an interesting observation to include]

“But bear requirements and human ones are way different. An average human needs between 1,600 and 3,000 calories a day. A bear needs 10 times that amount.” [… ]

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 22 2024 14:12 utc | 119

The poster is as obvious a fed plant as Louis Proyect was. You don’t even need to have read any of his frequent efforts to gaslight and blow smoke about the Deep State not existing.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2024 11:35 utc | 112
Ha ha ha. Gruff thinks anybody who doesn’t share his paranoid delusions must work for the federal govt.
Gruff’s Deep State paranoid delusion is an amorphous bogey man that lives under his bed and can be blamed for everything that Gruff thinks is wrong with the world.
As far as I can tell the concept of “deep state” was created as a way to identify any and all that is not OK with Donald Trump. Beyond that it is undefined.
One would think at first glance that the DOJ and FBI must be part of the Deep State because we are told that they greatly oppose Trump. The reality is the DOJ and FBI have never laid a glove on the Donald. What the the DOJ and FBI have done over the last 8 years is increase Trump’s popularity enormously.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 22 2024 14:24 utc | 120

If he had lived Blair would have never got to the third term.

DunGroanin | Nov 22 2024 12:31 utc


At around 2:20 pm on 6 August 2005, while he walked down Ben Stack[35] in Sutherland, Cook suddenly suffered a severe heart attack, collapsed, lost consciousness and fell about 8 feet (2.4 m) down a ridge. He was assisted after his fall by another hill-walker who refused all publicity and was granted anonymity. A helicopter containing paramedics arrived 30 minutes after a 999 call was made. Cook then was flown to Raigmore Hospital, Inverness.[36]
Gaynor did not get in the helicopter and walked down the mountain. Despite efforts made by the medical team to revive Cook in the helicopter, he was already beyond recovery, and at 4:05 pm, minutes after arrival at the hospital, was pronounced dead. He was 59. Two days later, a post-mortem examination found that Cook had died of hypertensive heart disease.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Cook#Death
Sudden death of a VIP, with a heart attack, yet they waited two days to do the autopsy, time enough for any drug which had caused the heart attack to break down and be virtually untraceable – not they would have looked though…
That he had heart disease doesn’t make the above mentioned possible cause of death less likely, but more likely.
Of course, thinking such things lays one open to the accusation of being a conspiracy theorist (CT), since without proof, one only has a theory – and the conspiracy is a reasonable term to describe the goings on of our various secret services and police – just as the those who claim that foreign governments are interfering in domestic matters, and show no proof, are also CTs.
The suicide of David Kelley, chief weapons inspector upto the Iraq War, is also questioned – too long to explain here why he could represent a danger to the state.

As far as it is known, Kelly walked a mile (1.6 km) from his house to Harrowdown Hill. It appears he ingested up to 29 tablets of co-proxamol, an analgesic drug; he also cut his left wrist with a pruning knife he had owned since his youth, severing his ulnar artery. Forensic analysis established that neither the knife nor the blister packs showed Kelly’s fingerprints on their surfaces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)#Death:_17_July_2003
Britain is a monarchy and it is run as a tight shop very discretely – all
those in parliament and other parts of the state having made an oath of
loyalty to the crown.

Posted by: hh | Nov 22 2024 14:32 utc | 121

“There’s an old military adage that an army runs on its stomach, meaning troops need to be well-supplied with food to survive harsh battlefield conditions.” [… an interesting observation to include]
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 22 2024 14:12 utc | 119
Napoleon said, “An army marches on its stomach” though he said it in French, of course.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 22 2024 14:35 utc | 122

“As far as I can tell the concept of “deep state” was created as a way to identify any and all that is not OK with Donald Trump. Beyond that it is undefined.”
Posted by: jinn | Nov 22 2024 14:24 utc | 120
You are wrong and Gruff is correct-here is the etymology of the term, ‘Deep State”:
“The term “deep state” has enjoyed political prominence in recent years, especially in movements around former President Donald Trump. However, the term emerged in the activist milieu after the founding of Students for a Democratic Society, which sought to engender political realignment in the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination. Those on the far right who use the term to level accusations of conspiracy at supposed subversives in the administrative state are unwittingly drawing on a long-running but little-analyzed intellectual tradition. In that tradition, conspiracy theories purport to unmask the real intentions of political actors in order to facilitate cooperation and recruitment across ideological and partisan divides. From the postwar period to the present, conspiracy theories, and the “deep state” vocabulary in particular, circulated freely across the left-right political divide. Authors and activists were attracted to these tropes and texts not merely because they appeared to reveal concrete truths about long-hidden elements of American political life, but also because their very ambiguity enabled them to be flexibly co-opted. Conspiracy theories allowed activists to mobilize around shared gaps in public knowledge about traumatic events like the assassination, activating public dissatisfaction with official explanations of those events. Their ambiguity, coupled with the seeming pervasiveness of conspiracy theorist tropes across political divides, appeared to activists seeking realignment of both the left and the right as a promising tactical opportunity to assert that they and their erstwhile enemies were actually engaged in a shared project. Activists thus came to see conspiracy theory not as the province of an exclusively left or right politics, but as an autonomous and contestable cultural space. This, in turn, led to cross-partisan encounters.” (1)
1. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08913811.2023.2305537

Posted by: canuck | Nov 22 2024 14:39 utc | 123

“It shows that the China is not only capable of being the next reserve currency but how it can be trusted to unwind all these trapped by the US Fed with Treasury Bonds – which are not Public Treasury but Private Fed.”
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 22 2024 12:40 utc | 117
No, is not a matter of ,’capability’.
China is a conservative country, they don’t want to be the Sovereign that issues a reserve currency. To have a proper reserve currency the Sovereign that prints the reserve currency MUST ALWAYS run a fiscal deficit (how else can the currency be distributed globally?) which means chronic indebting of the Sovereign which, eventually (see Portugal, Spain, France, UK) leads to the Hegemon to default.
That’s why BRICS are erecting a much different mechanism for trade as they don’t want to fall into the same trap.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 22 2024 14:59 utc | 124

You are wrong and Gruff is correct-here is the etymology of the term, ‘Deep State”:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08913811.2023.2305537
Posted by: canuck | Nov 22 2024 14:39 utc | 12
Ah so. “Deep State” is a trope. Well that certainly nails it down.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 22 2024 15:08 utc | 125

Everyone is so hyped up on the destructive scale of nukes. Here is a site where one can run simulations of a nuke dropping on your city of choice. It is quite interesting and perhaps useful in calibrating people’s expectations.

Posted by: pilipili | Nov 22 2024 15:25 utc | 126

@jinn | Fri, 22 Nov 2024 14:24:00 GMT | 120

Ha ha ha. Gruff thinks anybody who doesn’t share his paranoid delusions must work for the federal govt.

I can see Gruff’s point, and actually was harbouring the same suspicion since my very first back and forth encounter with Mr. johnson which was months ago. The way he sneaked a very specific, subtle yet important western PR talking point into an argument where it didn’t naturally belong was just not quite looking right; I don’t remember the specifics now. All later conversations with the poster were equally frustrating as the first, and I decided to simply disengage after our resident leprechaun intervened on Mr. johnson’s behalf with his argument of ‘to live and let live’ which I thought fair enough after my earlier analysis of the subject’s ability to reason. That’s my two cents, to make it three paranoiacs here on the record.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 22 2024 15:35 utc | 127

Me again – just passing through. A catch up on the Skripal Cover Up.
John Helmer has had time to watch it. I haven’t.
With all the kerfuffle it’s easy to get this bad news out so no journalists pay any attention. The totally manipulated coroners court on Sturgess and the missing Skripals, attacked by the British State in the town with the most advanced cctv at that time. Which has mysteriously gone missing as have government, police and medical experts records.
https://johnhelmer.net/british-operation-kiss-kill-instantly-skripals-has-failed-to-kill-but-succeeded-at-covering-up-almost/

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 22 2024 15:42 utc | 128

Elon Musk tells the Brits to, “Go F Yourself”.
https://modernity.news/2024/11/22/elon-musk-responds-as-british-government-summons-him-to-disinformation-hearing/

Posted by: librul | Nov 22 2024 15:47 utc | 129

pilipili 126

run simulations of a nuke dropping on your city of choice.

Yes, it’s a very valuable tool if you are near a strategic target, to get you an idea of what might happen just in case, and prepare plans accordingly. A typical 800kt blast wave doesn’t flatten a large city, so it pays to know which room to choose for hiding just after a strike, to wait out a few days while the residual radiation declines rapidly and you may venture outside to escape from the zone (or stay and help with the aftermath) if you can. You’ll like to have an idea of where to go, and how to get there. Stock on water and Gaffa tape to seal the space airtight, stay put for 3-5 days, and you’ll live.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 22 2024 16:05 utc | 130

“Leaked files expose high-level UK military plot to destroy The Grayzone”
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/11/20/leaked-files-uk-military-plot-grayzone/

Posted by: librul | Nov 22 2024 16:07 utc | 131

China, by merely existing, is already benefiting indigenous groups living under the thumb of capitalist oppression.
Posted by: All Under Heaven | Nov 22 2024 1:30 utc | 95
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The west fumes about ‘China’s threat to our national security‘.
In reality, China and Co represent what Chomsky call ‘The threat of a good example
The ROW embrace the rise of BRICS cuz they now have an alternative to the economic hitman tyranny.
Exhibit A
Syrian hawkers refuse to accept payment from Chinese tourists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejEX5-BbH-I&t=4s

Posted by: denk | Nov 22 2024 18:15 utc | 132

Financial Times – Canadian indigenous groups seek deals with China despite security fears
Posted by: All Under Heaven | Nov 22 2024 1:30 utc | 95
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I missed out on Canadian indigenous folks.
China should champion the rights of American Indians, Canadian Indians, Aborigines, Maori rights at the UN podium.
Two can play at this game.
Why leave the field to the west all by themselves ?

Posted by: denk | Nov 22 2024 18:27 utc | 133

Here in the U.K. our Great Knight Dope, sHerrKyiyvrStarmztrooper is going ‘full Tonto’.
A card carrying naziofascist supporter of genocide of Palestinians
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 22 2024 12:31 utc | 116
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The Starmer, Trump, BIden ,Albanese and their ilks are following a good ole five eyes tradition…

Do as what I say, not what I do

The very first English proverbs I learned …

People in glass house shouldnt throw stone
Charity starts at home

Somebody should start practicing what they preach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbgQRkMkrDM&t=38s

Posted by: denk | Nov 22 2024 18:38 utc | 134

China is Now Unequivocally the World’s Leading Scientific Power…
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1859455325793087522
“…According to ‘Nature’s latest rankings (The world’s most authoritative scientific journal), half of the world’s top 10 leading cities in China, with Beijing and Shanghai respectively in number 1 and 2 position.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 22 2024 19:20 utc | 135

MOATS Podcast with George Galloway
https://x.com/MoatsTV/status/1859588937544872315
“Has Biden’s Ukraine missile deal brought us to the brink of nuclear war? With Col Daniel Davis, Simon Boikov

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 22 2024 19:34 utc | 136

Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2024 12:39 utc | 117 Omitted the blockquote despite this person mandating it on the grounds that quotation marks can’t be expected to enclose quotations. This decree may strike some as pompous but it seems like it supporting the America Firster Ahenobarbus from being quoted/exposed.
Posted by: canuck | Nov 22 2024 14:39 utc | 124 Ahenobarbus vainly aspires to reach canuck’s heights of intellect. Ahenobarbus glories in being “flexibly coopted.”
Ooh, my bad, I disobeyed the MoA Tsar/Tsaritsa of Punctuation!
Posted by: canuck | Nov 22 2024 14:39 utc | 124

…flexibly coopted. And that’s Ahenobarbus.
Posted by: persiflo | Nov 22 2024 15:35 utc | 128 It would be flattery to call this poster a paranoiac. Given how rarely I engage this commenter, I suspect the real issue was a comment taking apart some nonsense about the names of the days of the week and the Roman calendar. What can I say? The trivia was actually interesting to me, and persiflo was very wrong.
One interesting thing about the late but unlamented Louis Proyect is that Proyect was a vociferous anti-Leninist, boasting of how he saw through Trotskyism through his experience in that movement. He was an internet example of so-called Western Marxism the late Domenico Losurdo would have laughed at. Yes, this is a plug for the recent translation of Losurdo’s book, Western Marxism!

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 22 2024 20:34 utc | 137

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 22 2024 20:34 utc | 138 People who can’t type very well shouldn’t do BLOCKQUOTE. Boo, hiss.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 22 2024 20:35 utc | 138

What you’re aiming for here appears to be nested quotes. Quoting the man who quotes the man who said something.
Poster 1

Poster 2

Poster 3

The blockquote feature is simple to use. Trust me on this Steven

Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2024 21:00 utc | 139

steven t johnson | Nov 22 2024 20:35 utc | 139
Also, if you are talking TO me, you might as well address me directly instead of using the 3rd person. As it stands it kinda sounds as if you’re sniping from the hedge and not really interested in dialogue.

Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2024 21:04 utc | 140

By raising the rates, the Fed encourages capital to exit from other countries and go into the US.
posted by All under one Heaven.
IMPORTANT !!!!!!!! – Be very careful.
When Cross-Currency Bond Yield Spreads Do Not Matter
Here:
http://www.bondeconomics.com/2018/03/why-cross-currency-bond-yield-spreads.html#more
The simple rule of thumb is that one should never make such cross-currency yield comparisons; they only matter if the currency value is being pegged.
So “other countries” is a loaded term. Even though the ideologues think everybody is like the EU.
ALSO VERY IMPORTANT !!!!
Framing tricks and controlling the narrative are the base tools of neoliberal economics. One character that pops up regularly is the Fickle, Flighty Foreigner. Worthy of a Shakespearean tragedy, they will brutally condemn any country that deviates from the divine path.
Let’s explain the narrative trick and how to counter it.
THE TRICK:
You’ve heard the story. The Fickle, Flighty Foreigner will ‘dump’ government bonds or ’trash’ the currency. Everything will ‘spiral down’ and become ‘unstoppable’. Note the emotional, fatalistic language and the focus on the nemesis. That’s the framing.
So let’s break the frame.
It doesn’t matter whether the individual selling is foreign or domestic. In both cases, the process and effect are the same. There is no ‘outsider’ impact.
For every seller, there is a buyer. That buyer has the opposite view from the seller. Or they wouldn’t be buying.
Without that person with the opposite view, there is no market. Without liquidity, you cannot sell.
From the point of view of a bond, sitting on the computer of a registrar, buying and selling is nothing more than changing the ownership tag. The bond doesn’t go anywhere, and it doesn’t leave the country.
The same holds for money. It is also a computer record in a bank. Buying and selling is nothing more than changing the ownership tag. Money doesn’t go anywhere either, and it doesn’t leave the country.
The obvious analogy is a house. It doesn’t go anywhere over its lifetime but changes owner many times. Some will be domestic. Some will be foreign.
Once you switch your viewpoint, you can see that capital flight is a complete myth. It doesn’t apply to a sovereign currency operating a floating exchange rate.
Nothing goes anywhere. It stays firmly rooted in the spot. All that happens is the ownership changes.
THE TRUTH:
Freed from the trap of neoliberal framing, we can now see what happens in practice.
We’ll use the UK as a concrete example.
When person A sells a gilt, the ownership tag changes to person B. Similarly, the ownership of the Sterling used in payment becomes person A.
When person A sells their Sterling, the ownership tag changes to person C. Similarly, the ownership of the US dollars used in payment becomes person A.
Person C now has Sterling. They can keep that as a bank deposit or use it to bid up the price of Gilts and lower their yield. We’re then back to the two alternatives again.
Have you ever heard about person C’s buying activities in the gilt market from a neoliberal?
Of course, you haven’t. That would be contrary to the narrative.
Next time you come up against one, point it out to them.
Here:
Will investors shun UK debt ?
https://new-wayland.com/blog/mmt-verify-will-investors-shun-government-debt/

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 22 2024 21:37 utc | 141

posted by All under one Heaven.
” Capital Flight ”
Also Think about capital flight in regard to Russia pre August 17, 1998 when they had a fixed exchange rate system. With Russia post August 17, 1998 and they floated the rouble.
I’ve explained it many times before.
HERE
https://moslereconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/Exchange-Rate-Policy-and-Full-Employment.htm
Understand the difference. Even though the ideologues still apply fixed exchange rate thinking on top of floating fiat currencies today.
Why and how, they can build strawmen they can easily knockdown. Always using fixed exchange rate framing and narratives to do it.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 22 2024 21:56 utc | 142

The west fumes about ‘China’s threat to our national security’.
In reality, China and Co represent what Chomsky call ‘The threat of a good example’


Posted by: denk | Nov 22 2024 18:15 utc | 133
Yes. You see this over and over, and it means at some level they understand, our “Capitalist” friends, that they themselves are NOT a good example, for all the barrage of bullshit about “freedom” and “democracy” and “opportunity” and such abstractions.
And now, they find themselves with a good example they had better leave alone, two of them in Russia & China; hence all the nostalgic attempts to revive the “Iron Curtain”, which was always there to protect them, and nobody but them.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 22 2024 22:22 utc | 143

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 22 2024 22:22 utc | 144
Amen brother Amen !

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 22 2024 23:03 utc | 144

Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2024 21:00 utc | 140 The simple explanation that doesn’t impute invidious motives is the most charitable: I suspect I made a typo in the end-BLOCKQUOTE bracket, so the block quote continue till the end of the comment. Your

sniping from the hedge

is exactly what finding a non-existent confusion in simple quotation marks in my comment looked like.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 22 2024 23:32 utc | 145

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 22 2024 22:22 utc | 144
Amen brother Amen !
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 22 2024 23:03 utc | 145
Thank you. Sometimes I get a little carried away.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 22 2024 23:46 utc | 146

Sometimes I get a little carried away

[jukebox] The indeed Fantastic Expedition of Dillard & Clark – Radio Song
Fifteen miles from Memphis, I think that was the sign
I’ll be drivin’ through tomorrow just to lose a worried mind

. . .

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 23 2024 7:02 utc | 147

Dig it

China hits jackpot with discovery of ‘massive’ gold reserves in Hunan
The US$80 billion hoard is the latest fruit of China’s drive to find new domestic precious minerals reserves

22 Nov 2024
China has discovered a “massive” new goldfield containing reserves worth tens of billions of dollars in the central province of Hunan, as it steps up efforts to boost domestic reserves of strategic minerals.
Geologists identified more than 40 new gold veins located less than 2,000 metres (6,560 feet) underground at the Wangu gold mine in Pingjiang county, bringing the total gold resources in the mine’s core area to 300.2 tonnes, the Hunan Provincial Geological Institute said in an online statement on Thursday.
The new find is classified as a “massive” reserve, with its more than 1,000 tonnes of gold deposits estimated to be worth about 600 billion yuan (US$82.8 billion) based on current market prices, it said.
continues ==> https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3287729/china-hits-jackpot-discovery-massive-gold-reserves-hunan

Geologic survey ==> https://www.mdpi.com/2075-163X/12/7/867

Posted by: too scents | Nov 23 2024 7:12 utc | 148

There are plenty of twists and turns in Trump’s quest for a new Treasury Sec. The latest guy, Bessent, ran the family office for Soros.
An old house of his known as Wyndecote …


Former Investor for George Soros Lists a $22.5 Million Hamptons Home

Scott Bessent, who served as chief investment officer for the billionaire’s family office, is putting a restored Southampton estate on the market.

In the Hamptons, a restored home dating back to the late 1880s is coming on the market for $22.5 million.
The Southampton, N.Y., property was built in the heyday of 19th-century Hamptons summer society, said listing agent Harald Grant of Sotheby’s International Realty. The extension of the Long Island Railroad in 1872 led to a stream of wealthy New Yorkers building large summer retreats near the area’s beaches for the first time.
Known as Wyndecote, the home was designed by architect Robert Henderson Robertson, who is also known for designing Southampton’s original Rogers Memorial Library, according to the book “Southampton Cottages of South Main Street,” by Sally Spanburgh. About 10,665 square feet, the 10-bedroom house spans three floors plus a finished basement, with a series of covered porches and verandas as well as a porte-cochère. “It was designed when people had horse and buggies,” said John David Rose, a local architect who worked on the restoration.
with pictures ==> https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/former-investor-for-george-soros-lists-a-22-5-million-hamptons-home-122833?locale=

Posted by: too scents | Nov 23 2024 7:29 utc | 149

AFRICAN & BLACK HISTORY
@AfricanArchives
140 years ago today, the Berlin Conference opened.
It was a conference where European nations established the ‘legal’ claim that all of Africa could be occupied by whomever could take it.
They set out murdering africans and taking their wealth to make Europe wealthier.
THREAD More…
https://x.com/AfricanArchives/status/1857877201166737418

Posted by: Menz | Nov 23 2024 7:32 utc | 150

academia.org has just handed me something unexpected – a comprehensive forensical examination of the 9/11 WTC tower’s destruction by means of nuclear fission. 150+ pages of solidly explained work, crucially listing air sample data obtained by the USGS in the days following the event, which show signature elements of fission reactions; but there’s more, like thermal and seismic measurements, and analysis of photographic evidence, etc.
That settles it, folks. I’m sorry.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 23 2024 7:48 utc | 151

“Saving the Planet: a draft manifesto…”
Posted by: Walt | Nov 21 2024 11:40 utc | 1
With all due respect you don’t know what you are talking about.
Save the planet ? From what? In the past 2 million years we have had 17 ice ages. Bugs, plants, animals go extinct during these ice ages which are caused by the wobbling of the earth through space- how do you change that fact?
75,000 years ago a volcanoe explosion caused an ice age such that only 20 nubile human pairs were left living. Since then the world has warmed and now we have 8 billion people but ‘global warming’ is anathema to the human race?
Pure Poppycock.
The earth is currently in a warming phase-it will get warmer for about 30,000 years, then it will get cooler again as the earth recedes into another ice age.
Rinse and repeat-that is the cycle of the earth and it has absolutely nothing to do with human activity.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 23 2024 11:20 utc | 152

Fifteen miles from Memphis, I think that was the sign
I’ll be drivin’ through tomorrow just to lose a worried mind
. . .
Posted by: persiflo | Nov 23 2024 7:02 utc | 148
Yes, I have that LP around here somewhere, somewhat worn, and a rip of it, just in case.
“There’s a train leaves here this morning, I don’t know what I might be on”

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 23 2024 11:50 utc | 153

And now, they find themselves with a good example they had better leave alone,
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 22 2024 22:22 utc | 144
————————
They cant have that can they ?
Hence we witness the ubiquitous warning flooding the internet forums, even here at the bar.
POP
[Im USING a nickname to protect the poster’s ID]

‘be careful what you wish for…China might turns out to be another kind of monster’

Posted by: denk | Nov 23 2024 12:32 utc | 154

Financial Times – Canadian indigenous groups seek deals with China despite security fears
…..
Ogen, of the First Nations LNG Alliance, said she would put the controversy surrounding the trip to Beijing aside. “I . . . look at the global energy sector, China’s need for our gas, and how I can make the best deal for my people,”
Posted by: All Under Heaven | Nov 22 2024 1:30 utc | 95
———————-
Good thinking !
FUKUSA is no longer the only game in town.
People from ROW now have a choice, China’s win-win model vs IMF/WORLD BANK./CIA jackal tyranny
Exhibit A
P N I

Ramos-Horta visit to Beijing pushes against US pressure, omits Greater Sunrise
By Peter Murphy

Posted by: denk | Nov 23 2024 12:37 utc | 155

Posted by: Cabe | Nov 21 2024 16:40 utc | 25

There are 300,000 wolves still, thanks to the northern boreal forests, but 900,000,000 domestic dogs of the same species, 3,000 dogs for every wolf.

Why is the life of a wolf more important than the life of a dog?
Humans have been great for animal and vegetal life in the planet. There is more a animal and vegetal life in the planet today than in any other time before thanks to our bringing to the surface and use of accumulated undergound energy sources.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 23 2024 13:31 utc | 156

David Kelly suicided
Posted by: hh | Nov 22 2024 14:32 utc | 122
—————-
Microbiologists dying like flies
Key words..DNA SEQUENCING
https://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/02_14_02_microbio.html

Posted by: denk | Nov 23 2024 14:53 utc | 157

“US President-elect Donald Trump announced Friday that he’ll nominate former George Soros money manager Scott Bessent, an advocate for deficit reduction, to serve as his next treasury secretary.”
https://x.com/CBCNews/status/1860127007323140116

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 23 2024 15:09 utc | 158

Uk comtemplating energy shortages this winter driving up utility rates………you can blame Trotksyites like Sir Keir and their weak Conservative no nothings for this mess……
The UK has plenty of coal reserves and gas reserve in the North Sea……there is no excuse for the outrageous utility rate increases.
Burn coal, pump ng, and the crisis goes away………..dumb really dumb……..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 23 2024 16:05 utc | 159

denk@156…..you might want to brush up on the NAFTA type agreements Canada signed with the USA. Canada in no way is sovereign, nor does it in any way control its energy resources. And you really should feel sorry for any member of Canada’s First Nations who thinks they have any say on who gets to purchase Canadian energy.
Now Canada’s First Nations could go the Donbass route, but I highly doubt Quebec will support and supply them with weapons.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 23 2024 16:56 utc | 160

https://nitter.poast.org/GeorgeSzamuely/status/1860348084179358092

Trump has hired neocon, warmonger, Russophobe, fanatic, poor man’s John McCain, Sebastian Gorka as his chief “counterterrorism” adviser on the National Security Council. Gorka was of course an advocate for killing Bashar al-Assad and General Soleimani, thereby making the Middle East safe for ISIS and al Qaeda. Hard to think of a worse human being to join the White House.
This is worse than it was during Trump’s first term. Back in 2017, Gorka only got in by riding Steve Bannon’s coat-tails. The moment Bannon received his walking-papers, Gorka was out of the door. It was all over in a few months. This time, Gorka’s in under his own steam. There has to be something about Gorka’s insane ravings that appeals to Trump. That is truly alarming.

https://nitter.poast.org/BenjaminNorton/status/1860346205752164710#m

Billionaire Donald Trump is “draining the Swamp” by filling his cabinet with neocon war hawks and Wall Street oligarchs.
His Treasury secretary pick is billionaire hedge fund manager Scott Bessent, who worked for Democrat-aligned billionaire George Soros.
The US is an oligarchy

Like a man (XY genes) declaring he’s now a woman and demanding from the world not to believe their eyes because he now identifies as a woman, likewise Trump identifies as a person who will end the wars of the US empire.

Posted by: xor | Nov 23 2024 18:38 utc | 161

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 23 2024 16:56 utc | 161
—————————
Tiny Timor once groaned under the yoke of FUKUSA tyranny,
Guardian…2002

The UN put up a tough fight to get a better deal from Australia and the mighty oil companies, including US-based Phillips Petroleum, than the one which Indonesia had made years earlier. The surprise came last year when the US started warning East Timor not to push Australia too hard [sic !] shortly after Vice-President Dick Cheney had received Australian representatives in his Washington office. Mr Cheney is, of course, an oil-man with continuing contacts with businessmen but here he was, using the weight of his governmental position, to interfere in discussions between the UN and a foreign government. Odd, but symptomatic of the world tiny East Timor was entering. East Timor’s UN negotiators resisted and did not give way.

Today its charting an independent path, thanks to the rise of multipolar world order,.
If tiny timor could do it,
Why cant much bigger and powerful Canada, Oz shake off the USA shackle ?
May be they are content with a FUKUS led word order, ?
A family affair.
BLood is thicker than water. ?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/indonesia.comment

Posted by: denk | Nov 23 2024 19:09 utc | 162

Thats all folks !

Posted by: denk | Nov 23 2024 20:35 utc | 163

denk@163…..aye, there’s the rub, isn’t it, Canada supports and partakes in the tyranny Timorians fought off.
Cheers M
…..as for Canada’s FN, the Assembly of Chiefs went on an all expense paid trip to Occupied Palestine to see how badly the Settlers had it and what they had to deal with as far as Palestinians go. Fuck that. You go to Ireland right now you will see Palestinian flags being proudly flown, I’ve seen one Palestinian flag here in Manitoba, one, being flown alongside a Metis flag at a homeless people’s encampment. You won’t see any of the Assembly speaking out publicly about the brutal colonization of Palestine. Nothing, and you won’t see any Palestinian flags flying outside their houses……they know which side their bread is buttered on. The price of dumbfree….er, democracy, and yer transfer cheque is in the mail.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 23 2024 21:55 utc | 164

Posting in this thread because it doesn’t directly fit into the current Ukraine or Palestine topics.
Zero Hedge has put up a posting discussing the F-35 and its ongoing cooling problems. The piece itself is quite excoriating and, as can be imagined given the venue, so are the comments.
A link causes the post to dissolve, here’s the headline:
F-35’s Cooling Crisis: Design Flaws Fuel $2 Trillion Dilemma For Pentagon

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2024 21:57 utc | 165

Thanks Newbie, great post. Also to all those who contributed to that conversation.
Sun of Alabama, maybe stick to the line of reasoning you want us to follow and leave your personalities behind. 😉 say hello to rsh and fan of arch.

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 23 2024 23:55 utc | 166

@ Johan 157
Because a wolf doesn’t come with a person on a lead who clears natural habitat for rearing livestock to feed and expanding the human population (and their dogs) ?
‘Climate change’ = energy resource adaptation, economy and profit (often corrupt) and to some degree environment (pollution)
Environmental concerns = habitat and species destruction, natural resource depletion, pollution.
The focus for a couple of decades or more has mostly gone towards ‘climate change’ , i.e. is actually human centric. Previously it was more clearly diversified towards ‘nature’ and ‘natural environment’, forms of stewardship of the planet, its wildlife and flora.
There are token gestures of all kinds in all disciplines, but in practical terms it has been a replacement of one method/direction by the other.
I think some associate better with the world of nature, and some associate better with the world of people.
When you view people from the world of nature, they aren’t particularly inspiring.

Posted by: Ornot | Nov 24 2024 0:03 utc | 167

In the China/US circus arena there is this posting at ZH
Chinese Defense Minister Rebuffs Austin’s Request For Military Talks Over Taiwan Support
quote

“The US side cannot undermine China’s core interests on the Taiwan issue, yet at the same time try to conduct exchanges with the [mainland] Chinese military as if nothing had happened,” the statement said.
Wu explained that the US must “immediately correct its mistake, earnestly respect China’s core interests, and strive to create favorable conditions for high-level exchanges between the two militaries.”
Austin’s reaction was as follows: “It’s unfortunate. It affects the region because the region really wants to see us, you know, two significant players in the region, two significant powers, talk to each other,” he told reporters.

China is calling a spade a spade

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 24 2024 2:17 utc | 168

anyone seen this video out of UK ?
a prone tied man, has his head kicked and stomped on by a cop
https://x.com/i/status/1860514928743866567

Posted by: ld | Nov 24 2024 4:13 utc | 169

I will, for once (and probably for thee last time) talk about TDS and cope.
Take a good long look at this title (the article is even worse)
“Trump Won Less Than 50 Percent. Why Is Everyone Calling It a Landslide?
Right and left have bought the narrative of a crushing triumph. They’re wrong.”
Just for the record, he aced the electoral votes and he’s two and a half million votes ahead of harris.
Not good enough! Not 50% of all votes.
If things turn up to give him more than 50% of all votes cast (twice irrelevant) then I expect them to retreat and regroup at “trump did not get 50% of registered voters, those that stayed at home didn’t want him” (not that there isn’t a hint of truth there, probably a lot would prefer a whole different poitician’s class)
But even if he had done that impossible, I bet the next line would be “trump didn’t get 50% of american residents” etc etc, ad nauseum
There is a moment to just bite the pillow and try to preserve a modicum of dignity 😀

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 4:16 utc | 170

Please shitcan your nuke nonsense. NO NUKES. They would axiomatically devolve into the destruction of the human race, as we were warned by the parable of Pandora’s Box. The history of that parable may date back to the time when the Indus Valley civilizations centered on Harappa and Mohenjo Dharo were obliterated by nuclear weaponry thousands of years into the past.
Posted by: aristodemos | Nov 24 2024 4:09 utc | 643
Brought it here because this part belongs here
Probably Indus Valley civilizations was already the remainder of the Kurukshetra War, Mahabharata War and all.
After more than a thousand years any advanced nuke would fall to lack of maintenance except the simplest gun type… And i don’t see nukes, except current ones, in the last 5.000 years.
Those cities AFAIK had a more mundane ending.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 5:03 utc | 171

Posted by: Ornot | Nov 24 2024 0:03 utc | 168
So your answer to the question of why the life of a wolf is more important that the life of a dog is because the dog is with a human. You’re not anti-dog, you’re anti-human. You want people to die en masse so there can be more wolves and natural habitats.
Your ideology is wrong in your own terms. Humans have brought more life to the planet thanks to our intelligence, it’s just not wildlife but rather domesticated life, but life nonetheless. What a tree-hugger should want is more life on this planet, not less life on this planet.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 24 2024 6:20 utc | 172

Perhaps Europe should quit NATO and join the BRICS as well.

Posted by: WMG | Nov 24 2024 9:15 utc | 173

‘Huge fight’: Warring factions inside Trump transition get into ‘big blowup’ at Mar-a-Lago
Carl Gibson, AlterNet
November 23, 2024 8:21AM ET
Behind closed doors, President-elect Donald Trump’s transition team has become a somewhat fractious and chaotic environment according to a new report.
The Washington Post reported Saturday that “new camps have formed” at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida with competing visions for how to prepare for the next four years. The outlet described “shouting matches, expulsions from meetings and name-calling” as frequent occurrences between various factions.
“As during Trump’s first term, competing factions have begun to run roughshod over each other, sometimes kicking up clouds of dust,” wrote the Post’s Josh Dawsey, Ashley Parker and Michael Scherer.
READ MORE: Trump rips 6 House Republicans for ‘stupidly’ failing to pass controversial amendment
According to the Post, three different factions have formed — each with their own leaders and strategic goals. One of those camps is led by Trump’s eldest son, Donald Jr., with Vice President-elect JD Vance on his side as well as “longtime MAGA warriors” like former Fox News prime-time host Tucker Carlson, Vance advisor Andy Surabian and ex-Trump White House official Cliff Sims.
Another faction is led by Trump White House chief of staff Susie Wiles, who also co-chaired Trump’s 2024 campaign. Wiles’ camp mostly includes her advisors and acolytes, like Trump campaign political director James Blair and deputy campaign officials Taylor Budowich and Robert Gabriel. And a third group consists of transition co-chair and Secretary of Education-designate Linda McMahon and alumni from the America First Policy Institute like Brooke Rollins (who was rumored as a finalist for chief of staff) and Keith Kellogg, who was former Vice President Mike Pence’s national security advisor.
Dust-ups between top Trump advisors are also breaking out during Trump transition team meetings. The Post’s report began by describing an altercation between Trump attorney Boris Epshteyn and transition team co-chair Howard Lutnick (whom Trump has tapped to lead the Department of Commerce). Lutnick physically blocked Ephsteyn’s path as he tried to enter a Mar-a-Lago meeting about potential Cabinet appointees, telling him: “We’re not talking legal nominees today.” But Ephsteyn reportedly stiff-armed Lutnick, saying: “I’m coming in.”
In another contentious meeting, billionaire Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk — who is sometimes referred to as “co-president” over Vance — and Epshteyn got into a loud back-and-forth, with the former suggesting the latter was leaking sensitive details of meetings to the press. One unnamed witness described the encounter on the Mar-a-Lago patio as a “huge fight” and a “big blowup,” with Epshteyn reportedly saying: “I don’t know what you’re talking about. I didn’t do anything wrong.”
READ MORE: These 3 Republicans are already ‘knife-fighting’ over who will be Trump’s WH chief of staff
“It’s Boris against the world,” one unnamed “Trump confidant” told the Post, with another anonymous source saying Epshteyn was on “an island of his own.”
Vance has also participated in some the more heated arguments among transition team leaders, with one culminating in a social media post the vice president-elect has since deleted. While several Republican senators were at a SpaceX launch earlier this week, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) managed to get several of President Joe Biden’s last remaining federal judges confirmed. Grace Chong, who works for former Trump White House chief strategist Steve Bannon on his “War Room” podcast, criticized Vance for missing the vote.
“You guys better show up and do your one fricken[sic] job!!” Chong posted to X, referring to both Vance and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who Trump picked to head the State Department. Vance responded by calling Chong a “mouth-breathing imbecile” in the now-deleted tweet. Chong has since added “mouth-breathing imbecile” to her X bio.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-infighting/

Posted by: Menz | Nov 24 2024 10:20 utc | 174

If tiny timor could do it,
Posted by: denk | Nov 23 2024 19:09 utc | 163
Several very good articles regarding Timor. Problems and solutions.
Here:
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?s=Timor

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 24 2024 13:54 utc | 175

Perhaps Europe should quit NATO and join the BRICS as well.
Posted by: WMG | Nov 24 2024 9:15 utc | 174
If the EU crumbles so does NATO. I dream about it happening every day. In my view the ONLY two reasons they kept NATO was because of
a) As the EU expanded ever eastwards. NATO is their bodyguard as they do so.
b) Having NATO allows them to pivot between Russia and China and stops the US from becoming bogged down.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 24 2024 14:02 utc | 176

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-infighting/
Posted by: Menz | Nov 24 2024 10:20 utc | 175

How probable is it that such articles are to a large part synthetic and
directed communications across the aisle?
In Germany much was made about political strife inside the SPD and various candidate demands “Pistorius!!” from the population.
IMU no such thing. All synthetic conjured up by mainstream media from rather thing air.

Posted by: MAKK | Nov 24 2024 15:34 utc | 177

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 24 2024 13:54 utc | 176
———————–
‘THanks
Also here’r some valuable and seldom known history from good old John Pilger, RIP
FUKUSA, aka AUKUS abetted Indonesia’s invasion and occupation of E Timor, killing almost 200000 , more than 1/4 of the population.
Proportionally, this rank as one of the worst genocide in 20C
After E Timor’s hard fought independence, its very first PM, Mari Alkatiri was anti imperialist who resent FUKUSA tyranny and their robbery of Timor oil field.
Alkatiri turned to China in order to get outta FUKUSA’s iron grip, that sealed his fate.
Doesnt take long.
FUKUSA orchestrated an army rebellion, sent in a ‘peace keeping; force to ‘help restore order’
Now get this, the Major who led the ‘peace keeping force’ flew by copter direct to rebel HQ and party with the rebel leader , as if the Timor PM was transparent !
Military pressure and maneuver from FUKUSA eventually forced Mari Alkatiri to step down, ‘to avoid a bloodbath’
Another panda hugger bites the dust !

Posted by: denk | Nov 24 2024 15:39 utc | 178

More suicided microbiologists.
Key words: DNA SEQUENCING
aka race specific germ warfare
They knew too much.
Dead men tell no tales
Exhibit A
David Kelly

July 18, 2003: Dr. David Kelly, 59
–Expertise: Biological warfare weapons specialist, senior post at the Ministry of Defense, an expert on DNA sequencing when he was head of microbiology at Porton Down and worked with two American scientists, Benito Que, 52, and Don Wiley, 57.
–Helped Vladimir Pasechnik found Regma Biotechnologies, which has a contract with the U.S. Navy for “the diagnostic and therapeutic treatment of anthrax”
–Circumstance of Death: He was found dead after seemingly slashing his wrist in a wooded area near his home at Southmoor, Oxfordshire.

https://tinyurl.com/767vtcrm

Posted by: denk | Nov 24 2024 15:56 utc | 179

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 4:16 utc | 171 Trump’s victory was not a landslide. Citing the electoral college so-called vote is dishonorable, it has nothing to do with the will of the people of the nation, it was designed as a barrier to directly expressing the will of the majority of the nation, in the name of the so-called states—which are not sovereign. Sovereign states make their own currency and have the power to declare war.
Also, quite aside from the shameless dishonesty of presenting two quotes from the future, it is common for all winners of a plurality of the electorate to treat the non-votes as somehow theirs, as endorsements. The purpose is claim a mandate that justifies rejection of any compromise with the other party, perhaps ignoring the interests and will of a large part of the people even after the voting expressed their opposition. “We are all Republicans, we are all Federalists. If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.” This is a real quote from the past, the very real Thomas Jefferson’s first inaugural, not an asshole’s strawman speaking from the imaginary future! One may examine Jefferson’s actions and wonder how sincere this was—but there is no denying this is the truly democratic republican principle. The landslide argument is aimed against democracy as it was formed in the early days of the republic. The true agenda? Hamlet was wrong, that is the question.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 24 2024 16:50 utc | 180

We all know that its mandatory for every garden pol to lecture the Chinese on ‘human rights’ when in Beijing,
Even when they go there with begging bowl in hand !
MInd you.
Only in Beijing.
They wouldnt dare doing it in Delhi, or Jakarta for example,.
Starmer is following this age old five eyes tradition right now.
He had to, else the home crowd will scream…

OUr PM IS selling out to the chicom for commercial benefits !

Turns out one of his demand is…

Stop persecuting our human rights champion !

Thats all folks !

Posted by: denk | Nov 24 2024 17:48 utc | 181

*********Scotch Bingeington @66 ….the 2nd Trump administration is already finished. It will go down in utter chaos just like the 1st one, which was pretty much done for the moment they took out General Flynn. Whose fault this is I don’t know……
**************
The reason is Jared and DJTs baby are back advising Daddy.
Their loyalty is to the NYC elites.
The first evidence of this was the nomination of Bessent to Treasury. A Soros man who perhaps will establish Jared as the North American Rothschild Hetman.
Second, is the Gaetz situation. Gaetz was going to go full speed at the NYC crowd that charged Trump and had him convicted of a felony. Jared and company had probably not only friends and associates who could take a fall; but perhaps family (recall his Daddy was convicted of campaign contribution violations). So something had to be done with Gaetz.
Lara wanted to be the Senator to replace Rubio, so that was a non-starter. So they had Daddy make the call Gaetz was too much trouble to get confirmed.
Trump didn’t have to get Gaetz confirmed. All he had to do was appoint Gaetz as Deputy AG then Acting AG for 7 months. Trump could then appoint who he thought could get confirmed as Acting Deputy AG.
The instructions to them could be to Gaetz put together a prosecution package in 6 months so I can appoint you as Special Prosecutor for it. The instructions to the future AG pick get the administrative changes you need done in six months do I can nominate you for AG. The Kushner NYC crowd did want the Gaetz investing them so Trump dismissed him with no counter offer.
Its highly probable if Trump keeps listening to Jared he could eventually end up before ICC like Netanyahu.
However, the future of Trumps legislative agenda will depend if he can neutralize Mitch McConnell and his gang of Rinos in the next six months.
Just say’n

Posted by: Jerr | Nov 25 2024 0:10 utc | 182

Larry Johnson has an interesting perspective on whom or what killed JFK…drumrolll…it is Israel:
“Now that all of the principals who were alive when John Fitzgerald Kennedy was murdered in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963, are dead, there are only two reasons — neither mutually exclusive — to explain why the full files have not been released — 1) The CIA is implicated in the assassination and/or 2) A country with influence in the United States is implicated.
While many have speculated that the CIA is hiding evidence that Cuba was involved, the CIA has no reason, in my judgment, to withhold evidence of Cuba’s guilt. I have shied away from pursuing the various JFK assassination theories, but I recently came across a video by Ryan Dawson that suggests a credible reason for keeping the files from the public — Israel is implicated.
What!!!??? That was my first reaction. But then I listened and examined the evidence proffered by Ryan. There is certainly some smoke that points to Israel and members of Jewish organized crime. Why would Israel be involved? Let me summarize Ryan’s argument — the Kennedy’s represented an existential threat to Israel:
1 Prior to the assassination, the Kennedys wanted Israel inspected for nuclear weapons. The CIA had collected evidence from Dimona indicating that the Uranium Israel was processing had been illegally removed from the US Nautilus project via NUMEC (i.e., Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation).
2 John and Robert Kennedy supported Palestinians right of Return.
3 President Kennedy directed Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, in October 1963, to require the Zionist Organization of America to to register as foreign agents.
4 JFK along with France’s Charles de Gaulle, who also survived an assassination attempt, supported Algeria independence.
5 Robert F Kennedy was prosecuting aggressively Italian and Jewish mobsters. Many of the Jewish mobsters played a direct role in providing Israel with weapons prior to and after Israel’s establishment as a country in 1948. Jack Ruby, aka Jacob Rubenstein, was involved with the Italian mafia.
This does not prove that Israel or some of its agents helped kill Kennedy, but there is circumstantial evidence warranting further investigation. This would not be the first time that Israel attacked the United States. Just ask the survivors of the USS Liberty. However, this provides one reasonable explanation for why the CIA wants to keep the files locked away.
Keeping the files secret no longer makes sense. President Trump is now on the record, vowing to release the files. Let’s see if he keeps his promise.”

Posted by: canuck | Nov 25 2024 10:59 utc | 183

“Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 4:16 utc | 171 Trump’s victory was not a landslide. Citing the electoral college so-called vote is dishonorable, it has nothing to do with the will of the people of the nation, it was designed as a barrier to directly expressing the will of the majority of the nation, in the name of the so-called states—which are not sovereign. Sovereign states make their own currency and have the power to declare war.”
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 24 2024 16:50 utc | 181
Further evidence that you, indeed ,are a sneaky troll.
Trump won a landslide and a huge mandate, whether or not you are intelligent to recognize that fact is absolutely irrelevant.
For one thing you do not understand how the Federal Republic was formed; the USA is a Republic, not a Democracy.
Why the electoral college?
It was a compromise to get the original small states (like Deleware) to join the federal union..
The small states were worried that their ‘will’ would be subsumed by the large states. So in order to join the compromises were 2 US Senators for every state regardless of size which, at that tine were appointed by the State legislators until 1912 when they were elected directly. The electoral college is a vestige of a Republic not a mob riddden Democracy-perhaps you have not bothered to read Plato’s “Republic”?
You have no idea of the history of the union, or, worse, you are cleverly disguising your knowledge to manipulate the MOA for your hidden agenda..
Either way you are an undesirable addition to MOA.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 25 2024 11:13 utc | 184

Possibly few people will read this as the thread is old, so I’ll likely repost it. https://www.telesurenglish.net/venezuela-rejects-us-definition-of-nicaragua-as-an-extraordinary-security-threat/. Nicaragua has a population of about 7 million and essentially no military. I think the “extraordinary security threat” may be because a Nicaraguan diplomat apparently suggested to Xi when the latter was visiting the Changay port in Peru that China might want to consider putting in a new canal in Nicaragua. Uncle Shmuck doesn’t like competition and does really really love to stomp on the little guys and girls.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Nov 26 2024 0:15 utc | 185

There is no doubt that Biden laid an easy hand on Venezuela and Nicaragua………Trump and Rubio will not, they will aggressively undermine the two corrupt dictators who continue to jail political opponents, impose censorship, stage mass election fraud, unleash their secret state police, take bribes, shelter drug cartels, arrest and torture Catholic priests and ministers, and generally screw up their economies just like Volo…..
A plague on both their houses………they will both be gone from this earth in two years…….write it down…….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 26 2024 1:40 utc | 186

Posted by: canuck | Nov 25 2024 11:13 utc | 185 The Constitution sets the bar for a supermajority, as in conviction for trial of impeachment, at two thirds. That’s what the Constitution considers a mandate! Trump didn’t get it. Fifty percent of the vote wins, but it’s a lie to claim that’s a landslide. Counting non-voters as tacit consent may be time honored duplicity, but it’s still duplicity. The Republic Not A Democracy trash invoke the mantra precisely because they want a minority to rule over the majority (at least on vital issues of property, then slavery.) The hypocrisy of supporting Trump without even questioning the DOGE or “warrior council” despite violating the republican principle that elected representatives make the laws and appointments should be glaring. But people like this don’t think, they just repeat. It’s all about the secret agenda, Constitution be damned! (Compare the so-called filibuster, or cloture rule, which adds an unconstitutional supermajority to the Senate.)
The real compromise between small states and large was the equal representation in the Senate, a point declared to be inviolable, not subject to amendment. Madison admitted long ago the sharpest division was between slave and free states. The divisiveness of that issue was precisely because even the more conservative—elitist is fairly descriptive too—Framers still acknowledged some part of the democratic impulse of the Revolution. That’s why popular election was imposed by the House of Representatives! That settlement was merely copied into the Electoral College. It’s something like the notorious three fifths clause apparently being copied from a 1783 amendment proposed but failed, to the old Confederation, lawyers’ boilerplate so to speak.
So far from being a significant step in resolving that dispute, the election of the President, was not even written up until September! (The Convention began in late May.) A Committee of Eleven was selected to handle the loose ends or leftover issues. What surviving discussion of the secret deliberations we have mainly focused on the separation of powers (undue influence by the national Congress) and—ironically, see the election of 1800 and ensuing constitutional crisis—the danger of no candidate getting a majority. The Convention adjourned September 17. The Electoral College was a last minute odds and ends thing, not an issue of moment.
Not sorry for all the facts, even if they do make a stressfully long comment!

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 26 2024 19:19 utc | 187

PS A useful link omitted from @188: https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/constitutionalconvention-september4.htm

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 26 2024 19:28 utc | 188

Hello what has happened to the rouble. Now a rouble is worth less than a cent. Internal or external causes?

Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 28 2024 9:41 utc | 189