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November 21, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-278
News & views not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine …
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@ UWDude | Nov 22 2024 2:32 utc | 100 Posted by: malenkov | Nov 22 2024 2:36 utc | 101 Posted by: malenkov | Nov 22 2024 2:36 utc | 101 Posted by: UWDude | Nov 22 2024 3:00 utc | 102 A cheery video on the scale of nuclear weapons today. Posted by: saner | Nov 22 2024 3:03 utc | 103 @ All Under Heaven | Nov 22 2024 1:20 utc | 93 Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 22 2024 3:06 utc | 104 @Jams O’Donnell | Nov 21 2024 19:27 utc | 49 Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 22 2024 3:34 utc | 105 Appreciate all the comments on the China-Riyadh-Bond …. Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 22 2024 3:54 utc | 106 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 21 2024 22:51 utc | 79 is therefore thoroughly, typically dishonest. Don’t like people pointing out what company you keep, shut up or clean up. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 22 2024 6:34 utc | 107 Jams O’Donnell | Nov 21 2024 19:27 utc | 49 Posted by: chu-teh | Nov 22 2024 7:13 utc | 108 reminicemt of the earliest tribes/groups of humans, practicing fairness and Mutual Aid that surely aided their survival, no matter how they first arrived/evolved. Posted by: UWDude | Nov 22 2024 8:12 utc | 109 @All Under Heaven | Nov 22 2024 1:20 utc | 93 Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 22 2024 8:54 utc | 110 @ Jack M Posted by: I forgot | Nov 22 2024 10:51 utc | 111 Ahenobarbus @107: “Ok, so I’m sure the more astute were already aware of this, but I regret to inform the bar, that our unassuming STJ is, in fact, a fed/troll. Don’t believe me? Just observe him for a day or two. It will become very apparent.” Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 22 2024 11:35 utc | 112 I wrote a little essay on Alexander Dugin, Alain de Benoîst, Edmund Husserl and the quest for current political ethics; barflies may be interested. It’s here. Posted by: persiflo | Nov 22 2024 11:58 utc | 113 Inspired by @ Posted by: All Under Heaven | Nov 22 2024 1:20 utc | 93 Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 22 2024 12:07 utc | 114 Hey b , side bar shows I posted but ain’t appeared yet. will hold of reposting. In meantime another one I worked on earlier to some posters. Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 22 2024 12:31 utc | 115 Ahenobarbus | Nov 22 2024 6:34 utc | 107
Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2024 12:39 utc | 116 Ok the first appeared as soon as I posted my last. Some glitch in the web. Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 22 2024 12:40 utc | 117 Posted by: Walt | Nov 21 2024 11:40 utc Posted by: limpus | Nov 22 2024 13:58 utc | 118 So… when there’s an article in WaPo or NYT, it can be questioned whether the CIA may have been responsible for its printing. Who would be behind this one appearing on CNN Digital (re-posted here by Canada’s CTV News: Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 22 2024 14:12 utc | 119 The poster is as obvious a fed plant as Louis Proyect was. You don’t even need to have read any of his frequent efforts to gaslight and blow smoke about the Deep State not existing. Posted by: jinn | Nov 22 2024 14:24 utc | 120
DunGroanin | Nov 22 2024 12:31 utc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Cook#Death
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)#Death:_17_July_2003 Posted by: hh | Nov 22 2024 14:32 utc | 121 “There’s an old military adage that an army runs on its stomach, meaning troops need to be well-supplied with food to survive harsh battlefield conditions.” [… an interesting observation to include] “As far as I can tell the concept of “deep state” was created as a way to identify any and all that is not OK with Donald Trump. Beyond that it is undefined.” “It shows that the China is not only capable of being the next reserve currency but how it can be trusted to unwind all these trapped by the US Fed with Treasury Bonds – which are not Public Treasury but Private Fed.” You are wrong and Gruff is correct-here is the etymology of the term, ‘Deep State”: Posted by: jinn | Nov 22 2024 15:08 utc | 125 Everyone is so hyped up on the destructive scale of nukes. Here is a site where one can run simulations of a nuke dropping on your city of choice. It is quite interesting and perhaps useful in calibrating people’s expectations. Posted by: pilipili | Nov 22 2024 15:25 utc | 126 @jinn | Fri, 22 Nov 2024 14:24:00 GMT | 120
I can see Gruff’s point, and actually was harbouring the same suspicion since my very first back and forth encounter with Mr. johnson which was months ago. The way he sneaked a very specific, subtle yet important western PR talking point into an argument where it didn’t naturally belong was just not quite looking right; I don’t remember the specifics now. All later conversations with the poster were equally frustrating as the first, and I decided to simply disengage after our resident leprechaun intervened on Mr. johnson’s behalf with his argument of ‘to live and let live’ which I thought fair enough after my earlier analysis of the subject’s ability to reason. That’s my two cents, to make it three paranoiacs here on the record. Posted by: persiflo | Nov 22 2024 15:35 utc | 127 Me again – just passing through. A catch up on the Skripal Cover Up. Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 22 2024 15:42 utc | 128 Elon Musk tells the Brits to, “Go F Yourself”. Posted by: librul | Nov 22 2024 15:47 utc | 129 pilipili 126
Yes, it’s a very valuable tool if you are near a strategic target, to get you an idea of what might happen just in case, and prepare plans accordingly. A typical 800kt blast wave doesn’t flatten a large city, so it pays to know which room to choose for hiding just after a strike, to wait out a few days while the residual radiation declines rapidly and you may venture outside to escape from the zone (or stay and help with the aftermath) if you can. You’ll like to have an idea of where to go, and how to get there. Stock on water and Gaffa tape to seal the space airtight, stay put for 3-5 days, and you’ll live. Posted by: persiflo | Nov 22 2024 16:05 utc | 130 “Leaked files expose high-level UK military plot to destroy The Grayzone” Posted by: librul | Nov 22 2024 16:07 utc | 131 China, by merely existing, is already benefiting indigenous groups living under the thumb of capitalist oppression. Posted by: denk | Nov 22 2024 18:15 utc | 132 Financial Times – Canadian indigenous groups seek deals with China despite security fears Posted by: denk | Nov 22 2024 18:27 utc | 133 Here in the U.K. our Great Knight Dope, sHerrKyiyvrStarmztrooper is going ‘full Tonto’.
The very first English proverbs I learned …
Somebody should start practicing what they preach. Posted by: denk | Nov 22 2024 18:38 utc | 134 China is Now Unequivocally the World’s Leading Scientific Power… Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 22 2024 19:20 utc | 135 MOATS Podcast with George Galloway Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 22 2024 19:34 utc | 136 Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2024 12:39 utc | 117 Omitted the blockquote despite this person mandating it on the grounds that quotation marks can’t be expected to enclose quotations. This decree may strike some as pompous but it seems like it supporting the America Firster Ahenobarbus from being quoted/exposed.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 22 2024 20:34 utc | 137 Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 22 2024 20:34 utc | 138 People who can’t type very well shouldn’t do BLOCKQUOTE. Boo, hiss. Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 22 2024 20:35 utc | 138 What you’re aiming for here appears to be nested quotes. Quoting the man who quotes the man who said something.
Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2024 21:00 utc | 139 steven t johnson | Nov 22 2024 20:35 utc | 139 Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2024 21:04 utc | 140 By raising the rates, the Fed encourages capital to exit from other countries and go into the US. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 22 2024 21:37 utc | 141 posted by All under one Heaven. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 22 2024 21:56 utc | 142
— Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 22 2024 22:22 utc | 143 Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 22 2024 22:22 utc | 144 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 22 2024 23:03 utc | 144 Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2024 21:00 utc | 140 The simple explanation that doesn’t impute invidious motives is the most charitable: I suspect I made a typo in the end-BLOCKQUOTE bracket, so the block quote continue till the end of the comment. Your
is exactly what finding a non-existent confusion in simple quotation marks in my comment looked like. Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 22 2024 23:32 utc | 145 Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 22 2024 22:22 utc | 144 Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 22 2024 23:46 utc | 146
[jukebox] The indeed Fantastic Expedition of Dillard & Clark – Radio Song Posted by: persiflo | Nov 23 2024 7:02 utc | 147 Dig it
Geologic survey ==> https://www.mdpi.com/2075-163X/12/7/867 Posted by: too scents | Nov 23 2024 7:12 utc | 148 There are plenty of twists and turns in Trump’s quest for a new Treasury Sec. The latest guy, Bessent, ran the family office for Soros.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 23 2024 7:29 utc | 149 AFRICAN & BLACK HISTORY Posted by: Menz | Nov 23 2024 7:32 utc | 150 academia.org has just handed me something unexpected – a comprehensive forensical examination of the 9/11 WTC tower’s destruction by means of nuclear fission. 150+ pages of solidly explained work, crucially listing air sample data obtained by the USGS in the days following the event, which show signature elements of fission reactions; but there’s more, like thermal and seismic measurements, and analysis of photographic evidence, etc. Posted by: persiflo | Nov 23 2024 7:48 utc | 151 “Saving the Planet: a draft manifesto…” Fifteen miles from Memphis, I think that was the sign Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 23 2024 11:50 utc | 153 And now, they find themselves with a good example they had better leave alone,
Posted by: denk | Nov 23 2024 12:32 utc | 154 Financial Times – Canadian indigenous groups seek deals with China despite security fears
Posted by: denk | Nov 23 2024 12:37 utc | 155 Posted by: Cabe | Nov 21 2024 16:40 utc | 25
Why is the life of a wolf more important than the life of a dog? Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 23 2024 13:31 utc | 156 David Kelly suicided Posted by: denk | Nov 23 2024 14:53 utc | 157 “US President-elect Donald Trump announced Friday that he’ll nominate former George Soros money manager Scott Bessent, an advocate for deficit reduction, to serve as his next treasury secretary.” Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 23 2024 15:09 utc | 158 Uk comtemplating energy shortages this winter driving up utility rates………you can blame Trotksyites like Sir Keir and their weak Conservative no nothings for this mess…… Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 23 2024 16:05 utc | 159 denk@156…..you might want to brush up on the NAFTA type agreements Canada signed with the USA. Canada in no way is sovereign, nor does it in any way control its energy resources. And you really should feel sorry for any member of Canada’s First Nations who thinks they have any say on who gets to purchase Canadian energy. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 23 2024 16:56 utc | 160 https://nitter.poast.org/GeorgeSzamuely/status/1860348084179358092
https://nitter.poast.org/BenjaminNorton/status/1860346205752164710#m
Like a man (XY genes) declaring he’s now a woman and demanding from the world not to believe their eyes because he now identifies as a woman, likewise Trump identifies as a person who will end the wars of the US empire. Posted by: xor | Nov 23 2024 18:38 utc | 161 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 23 2024 16:56 utc | 161
Today its charting an independent path, thanks to the rise of multipolar world order,. Posted by: denk | Nov 23 2024 19:09 utc | 162 denk@163…..aye, there’s the rub, isn’t it, Canada supports and partakes in the tyranny Timorians fought off. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 23 2024 21:55 utc | 164 Posting in this thread because it doesn’t directly fit into the current Ukraine or Palestine topics. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 23 2024 21:57 utc | 165 Thanks Newbie, great post. Also to all those who contributed to that conversation. Posted by: Suresh | Nov 23 2024 23:55 utc | 166 @ Johan 157 Posted by: Ornot | Nov 24 2024 0:03 utc | 167 In the China/US circus arena there is this posting at ZH
China is calling a spade a spade Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 24 2024 2:17 utc | 168 anyone seen this video out of UK ? Posted by: ld | Nov 24 2024 4:13 utc | 169 I will, for once (and probably for thee last time) talk about TDS and cope. Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 4:16 utc | 170 Please shitcan your nuke nonsense. NO NUKES. They would axiomatically devolve into the destruction of the human race, as we were warned by the parable of Pandora’s Box. The history of that parable may date back to the time when the Indus Valley civilizations centered on Harappa and Mohenjo Dharo were obliterated by nuclear weaponry thousands of years into the past. Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 5:03 utc | 171 Posted by: Ornot | Nov 24 2024 0:03 utc | 168 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 24 2024 6:20 utc | 172 Perhaps Europe should quit NATO and join the BRICS as well. Posted by: WMG | Nov 24 2024 9:15 utc | 173 ‘Huge fight’: Warring factions inside Trump transition get into ‘big blowup’ at Mar-a-Lago Posted by: Menz | Nov 24 2024 10:20 utc | 174 If tiny timor could do it, Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 24 2024 13:54 utc | 175 Perhaps Europe should quit NATO and join the BRICS as well. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 24 2024 14:02 utc | 176
How probable is it that such articles are to a large part synthetic and Posted by: MAKK | Nov 24 2024 15:34 utc | 177 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 24 2024 13:54 utc | 176 Posted by: denk | Nov 24 2024 15:39 utc | 178 More suicided microbiologists.
Posted by: denk | Nov 24 2024 15:56 utc | 179 Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 4:16 utc | 171 Trump’s victory was not a landslide. Citing the electoral college so-called vote is dishonorable, it has nothing to do with the will of the people of the nation, it was designed as a barrier to directly expressing the will of the majority of the nation, in the name of the so-called states—which are not sovereign. Sovereign states make their own currency and have the power to declare war. Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 24 2024 16:50 utc | 180 We all know that its mandatory for every garden pol to lecture the Chinese on ‘human rights’ when in Beijing,
Turns out one of his demand is…
Thats all folks ! Posted by: denk | Nov 24 2024 17:48 utc | 181 *********Scotch Bingeington @66 ….the 2nd Trump administration is already finished. It will go down in utter chaos just like the 1st one, which was pretty much done for the moment they took out General Flynn. Whose fault this is I don’t know…… Posted by: Jerr | Nov 25 2024 0:10 utc | 182 Larry Johnson has an interesting perspective on whom or what killed JFK…drumrolll…it is Israel: “Posted by: Newbie | Nov 24 2024 4:16 utc | 171 Trump’s victory was not a landslide. Citing the electoral college so-called vote is dishonorable, it has nothing to do with the will of the people of the nation, it was designed as a barrier to directly expressing the will of the majority of the nation, in the name of the so-called states—which are not sovereign. Sovereign states make their own currency and have the power to declare war.” Possibly few people will read this as the thread is old, so I’ll likely repost it. https://www.telesurenglish.net/venezuela-rejects-us-definition-of-nicaragua-as-an-extraordinary-security-threat/. Nicaragua has a population of about 7 million and essentially no military. I think the “extraordinary security threat” may be because a Nicaraguan diplomat apparently suggested to Xi when the latter was visiting the Changay port in Peru that China might want to consider putting in a new canal in Nicaragua. Uncle Shmuck doesn’t like competition and does really really love to stomp on the little guys and girls. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Nov 26 2024 0:15 utc | 185 There is no doubt that Biden laid an easy hand on Venezuela and Nicaragua………Trump and Rubio will not, they will aggressively undermine the two corrupt dictators who continue to jail political opponents, impose censorship, stage mass election fraud, unleash their secret state police, take bribes, shelter drug cartels, arrest and torture Catholic priests and ministers, and generally screw up their economies just like Volo….. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 26 2024 1:40 utc | 186 Posted by: canuck | Nov 25 2024 11:13 utc | 185 The Constitution sets the bar for a supermajority, as in conviction for trial of impeachment, at two thirds. That’s what the Constitution considers a mandate! Trump didn’t get it. Fifty percent of the vote wins, but it’s a lie to claim that’s a landslide. Counting non-voters as tacit consent may be time honored duplicity, but it’s still duplicity. The Republic Not A Democracy trash invoke the mantra precisely because they want a minority to rule over the majority (at least on vital issues of property, then slavery.) The hypocrisy of supporting Trump without even questioning the DOGE or “warrior council” despite violating the republican principle that elected representatives make the laws and appointments should be glaring. But people like this don’t think, they just repeat. It’s all about the secret agenda, Constitution be damned! (Compare the so-called filibuster, or cloture rule, which adds an unconstitutional supermajority to the Senate.) Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 26 2024 19:19 utc | 187 PS A useful link omitted from @188: https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/constitutionalconvention-september4.htm Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 26 2024 19:28 utc | 188 Hello what has happened to the rouble. Now a rouble is worth less than a cent. Internal or external causes? Posted by: guest from franconia | Nov 28 2024 9:41 utc | 189 |
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