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November 7, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-267

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@ Roger Boyd | Nov 9 2024 19:09 utc | 195
okay.. thanks for your take… i am quite capable of cynicism too fwiw…
@ Aleph_Null | Nov 9 2024 19:39 utc | 196
i agree with your 2nd paragraph about 76 years of zionism… people losing their soul? hard to know exactly what this means though..
@ Tom Pfotzer | Nov 9 2024 20:30 utc | 197
thanks tom.. we’ll have to wait and see, but if a pattern keeps on repeating itself, it’s likely the pattern will continue.. in this scenario – nothing changes with trump…
@ roger 198/199 – thanks for the additional thoughts and perspective..

Posted by: james | Nov 9 2024 22:08 utc | 201

ZH has a posting up with the title
Taiwan Receives Its First Batch Of HIMARS Rocket Systems From US
the quote

Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
Taiwan’s Defense Ministry said Wednesday that the island received its first batch of US-made High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), which it first ordered in 2020.

Taiwan ordered 11 of the HIMARS systems in 2020 and ordered another 18 in 2022. The island’s Defense Ministry said the first 11 have arrived, and Taiwanese troops are reportedly undergoing training to use them.

Taiwanese troops were recently in the US training on HIMARS at Fort Sill, Oklahoma. Taiwan’s Central News Agency reported that at least 17 soldiers from Taiwan completed training on the HIMARS in August, and Fort Sill’s Facebook page shared a photo of the Taiwanese troops.
The US has continued to increase military support for Taiwan despite constant warnings from China that the island is the “first red line” in US-China relations that must not be crossed.
The US has always sold weapons to Taiwan since Washington severed diplomatic relations with Taipei in 1979 as part of a normalization deal with China. Last year, the US started providing US-funded military aid, marking a significant escalation in US support for the island.

Our civilization war continues…
I have a hard time believing that empire would be stupid enough to launch a missile at mainland China from anywhere.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 9 2024 23:17 utc | 202

I have a hard time believing that empire would be stupid enough to launch a missile at mainland China from anywhere.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 9 2024 23:17 utc | 202
Never underestimate the power of stupid.
Half of fujian is within range of HIMARS and ATACMS can carry nukes or bio weapons. 25.000.000-35.000.000 potential casualties easily, just in major towns.
Now… payback is a bitch and nobody in beijing would dream of taiwan developing and using WMDs without the us’s blessing and aid.
Stupid… the us might go stupid, but let us hope it never goes full retard, never go full retard!

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 10 2024 0:00 utc | 203

Is Chinese culture dedicated to planting trees to build, or to setting fire to forests?
Is Chinese medicine about curing illnesses with pills or preventing to promote a state of good health?
Is Chinese diplomacy made up of exclusion, threats and cannons or of common plans and open negotiations?
The fact is that the province of Formosa, or Taiwan, has already been recovered, beyond the inconvenience of an outdated empire trying to do its last business, there is no turning back on that, other than a final rectification.
For a thousand reasons, there are no Chinese -in Taiwan- anxiously waiting to raise the US flag in Taiwan.

Posted by: Santi | Nov 10 2024 0:02 utc | 204

It’s now finished, “Putin’s Valdai Club Appearance–Finale,” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/putins-valdai-club-appearance-finale
Apologies this took longer than usual to be produced.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2024 0:20 utc | 205

Is Chinese culture dedicated to planting trees to build, or to setting fire to forests?
Is Chinese medicine about curing illnesses with pills or preventing to promote a state of good health?
Is Chinese diplomacy made up of exclusion, threats and cannons or of common plans and open negotiations?
The fact is that the province of Formosa, or Taiwan, has already been recovered, beyond the inconvenience of an outdated empire trying to do its last business, there is no turning back on that, other than a final rectification.
For a thousand reasons, there are no Chinese -in Taiwan- anxiously waiting to raise the US flag in Taiwan.
Posted by: Santi | Nov 10 2024 0:02 utc | 204
1 Yes, and the spanish should remember that the first emperor of legend built dams to control the floods (and screw the beavers)
2 And yes, most often (at least in the last 5 millennia) china never once sought out hegemony and seldom needed something from outside its borders.
3 yes, harmony is a personal and a societal value that applies even in revolutions and change.
4 Biggest risk for the rest of the world, as I already mentioned, is a general attitude of “why should I care for the world I don’t need”
5 And personally I don’t like the social submission that 3 implies, but at least there it makes sense, what is being imposed in europe is the sick cousin of 3
6 but 5 is, at most, a problem for the chinese if at all, why should anyone complain
7 Maybe many in formosa lost the han culture and are “westerners” hope they take a look at ukraine before jumping into a suicidal war
8. Hope china remembers, after dealing with formosa, that the Ryūkyū islands are mainly han, it’s high time someone kicks the us out of Okinawa, if the japanese can’t, maybe the chinese should.
9. Returning to your list and implied ideas, china already screwed up big time in its past. Destroyed history, screwed up huge areas, was a very significant migration player in neighboring areas, etc. But let us be honest, seldom did that within the massive framework of recent hegemons.
10. Hope you’re right about taiwan, would be a pity if an island first called beautiful (formosa) by the west, ended up devasteted for a foregone conclusion.
祝你长命百岁
zhù nǐ cháng mìng bǎi suì
By then the worst of the risk should be over.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 10 2024 0:25 utc | 206

It’s now finished, “Putin’s Valdai Club Appearance–Finale,” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/putins-valdai-club-appearance-finale
Apologies this took longer than usual to be produced.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2024 0:20 utc | 205
Will defensively read.
The first addressing by VVP at the Valdai Club made me realize that he was not just (highly) competent and intelligent.
I’m sure I’ll enjoy the rest.
And once again karlof, thank you (we often forget to thank the effort of others, particularly when it is so constant)

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 10 2024 0:29 utc | 207

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 10, 2024 0:25 UTC | 206
Thanks!! Same for you!
In my opinion, since the Chinese vision lacks the sense of violence and immediate gain that the US abuses, this whole issue is intended to be nothing more than a masquerade extended over time, in order to keep its opponent neither so far away that it becomes disillusioned and attempts a desperate move, nor so close that such a move is possible. The Taiwan negotiation has only been going on for seventy years, which for Chinese culture is somewhat hasty… without a doubt, they could wait another ten or fifteen years in this tug-of-war while the American empire completely collapses.
That it takes on the costs in an ever-increasing proportion is part of what hastens its downfall…

Posted by: Santi | Nov 10 2024 0:38 utc | 208

As for what is still known as Europe, the objective reality is that, with a little distance, it looks like a ship leaning dangerously, further and further from the coast. It seems that its destiny is to sink to the bottom.
Although it does not have any big holes, in fact, none that cannot be covered, this inclination is caused by the crazy captains, who enjoy – or pretend to enjoy – the intense and nefarious historical privilege of being responsible for such a catastrophe.
Beyond the differences, the only predictable thing is that: the moment will come when the ship will list so dangerously that everyone will hold hands so as not to fall off the deck, and those who intend to sink it will not find any hand to hold on to, and will fall into the sea of ​​history.
The rest will look into each other’s eyes for a second and immediately get to work, and will take the ship to the coast in time, where the rest of the nations will already be waiting for it.
Of course, it will not be the American coast!
Excuse the metaphors but it is the simplest way to explain something complicated. (I am reading Putin’s speech posted above)

Posted by: Santi | Nov 10 2024 1:35 utc | 209

This mythologizing of an oligarch exploiter shows the utter dysfunctionality of the US political system, …
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 9 2024 19:09 utc | 195
People often complain about “the system”, but it reminds me what was said about software: “You can make it fool proof, but not damn-fool proof”.
For example, Australia has a much admired voting system, a bit intricate which gives credit to the level of education there. So what? Well, they have unusually cost effective health care system and few other thing, perhaps, that can be envied, but idiocy of submarine program they signed for is astounding, and not only that. Summarizing, the system may help, but with unbounded capacities of human mind, when those are directed against such a system, it does not help much.
Education may sometimes be detrimental, after graduating we know that there are so many things that are important and we do not understand, so about those things we have to rely on experts. Australian submarine program is a nice example. Every country “worth its salt” has submarines, so Australia got to have them (although nobody told that to Canadians…). So decades ago Australian military expert explained the problem and started to work on solution. One could study why Canada abides lack of submarines: effective patrolling hugely long coastline is next to hopeless, but a focused mostly land based defense could overcome and deter attacks from the oceans and seas. And airborne and surface-based monitoring can detect any threat that would require serious response — note that submarines are ultra inefficient for a seaborne invasion. Anyway, Australia got to have submarines.
The next thing that was explained to Australian solons is that unique operational environment of Australia requires a unique design. For example, oceans around Australia experience winds, waves, there are reefs, a galore of unique circumstances (??!!). Thus when a Swedish or French design was contemplated, it would need to be a bit wider and shorter (or opposite?), the engine changed, if nuclear that to diesel or opposite, that would at least double the cost but it would fit unique Australian needs like a glove.
So it was agreed that ca. 25 billion USD will be spend on redesigned French submarines that after spending ca. .5 billion were made a bit shorter, wider and the engine changed from nuclear to diesel. Were I be an Australian expert, I would insist on wind propulsion: sail design is one of genuine Australian strengths, and the main goal for the fleet was showing presence on South China Sea, and what would show it better than an enormous kite in the sky attached with a cable made of ultra strong materials to a submarine. Unfortunately, my voice was not even raised and in a mysterious manner Australia suddenly chose a program for 250 billion USD, 10 k USD for every single Australian, of nuclear submarines (why Frenchies had to redesign nuclear propulsion away?), for some reasons, unique Australian needs emerged that were totally different from the previous one.
My most trusted intelligence source claims that the decision was made in a meeting between Australian PM (then a well educated expert on marketing Australian tourism in New Zealand) and a top American expert who explained the plan to PM and got “Yep” as a reply. Australian solons deferred. Mind you, solons elected in a system that has very high marks for fairness.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 10 2024 2:10 utc | 210

bbc
We now know that Pompeo, at least, will not be part of the administration after Trump posted on social media that Pompeo and former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley wouldn’t be re-hired.

Posted by: james | Nov 10 2024 2:19 utc | 211

Good news indeed that ‘Mad’ Mike Pompeo and Nikke ‘Naked Pool Party’ Randwannahda Haley will not be hired by the DJT administration…..
Two neo com war mongers – completely in the back pocket of the forever war fascist faction of American politics along with Liz ‘A Bomb’ Cheney and her father the War Criminal Dicky boy……..
Good riddance to this trash……

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 10 2024 2:56 utc | 212

ZH has the latest Pepe Escobar up with the title
Escobar: Putin Outlines The ‘Moment Of Truth’
It is hard to capture Putin’s latest truth messages but Pepe does fairly well…go find and read it

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 10 2024 5:17 utc | 213

The way politics is done makes me think of the yoghurt rack in a supermarket.
Essentially the same product packaged in a hundred ways for different market segments.
The same way, todays’ politicians split up the electorate in different groups and market their politics for each group.
Yes, for advertising purposes you may split up the market in different segments, and make ads specific for each segment. But these “collectives” have no common political preference. There is no LGTB “collective”, in the same way there is no red-haired collective.

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 10 2024 7:14 utc | 214

As a Eurasian, 18 very useful minutes well spent –
Professor Glenn Diesen speaking with President Vladimir Putin at Valdai Discussion Club (07.11.2024)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yild468_J9w

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 10 2024 7:30 utc | 215

As a Eurasian, 18 very useful minutes well spent –
Professor Glenn Diesen speaking with President Vladimir Putin at Valdai Discussion Club (07.11.2024)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yild468_J9w

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 10 2024 7:31 utc | 216

@ karlof1 | Nov 10 2024 0:20 utc | 205
Much appreciated.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 10 2024 7:34 utc | 217

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 7 2024 15:38 utc | 9

I’ll repost the failed minuteman test during election time, nobody cared it failed
“BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) — An unarmed missile test was scheduled to launch out of the Vandenberg Space Force Base early Wednesday morning but it was terminated due to an anomaly.
The mission was “safely terminated” by Space Launch Delta 30 at 12:06 a.m., according to officials. ”
https://www.kget.com/news/local-news/vandenberg-space-force-base-to-test-unarmed-missile-tuesday-night-oct-31/

garbage — THIS is from 2023

Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 10 2024 8:07 utc | 218

Posted by: Santi | Nov 10 2024 1:35 utc | 209
Looking at karlof1’s other submission ( https://karlof1.substack.com/p/part-two-of-putins-valdai-club-appearance ), Putin says

Of course, we must try to build a security system on the Eurasian continent. It’s huge, this continent. And of course, Europe can and, in my opinion, should be an integral part of this system.

Not sure what this means for the doomsayers who assert that Russia is “done” with Europe (I’m looking at you, ‘Smoothie’).

Posted by: joey_n | Nov 10 2024 9:44 utc | 219

garbage — THIS is from 2023
Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 10 2024 8:07 utc | 218
Sorry you’re absolutely right, I knew there was a test coming up and was looking for follow up and that link showed up and I bungled the year as the dates fit.
This time they got it right (they had failed quite a few lately )
I stand corrected and apologize, and add a proper link
https://www.space.com/space-exploration/launches-spacecraft/us-military-test-launches-unarmed-nuclear-missile-on-election-night-video

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 10 2024 11:48 utc | 220

@ karlof1 | Nov 10 2024 0:20 utc | 205
Now just putin the statesman (and sometimes lawyer) but very interesting.
The first question…
China will you sell us out to trump?
No way
The rest has very interesting points as well but currently in a rush

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 10 2024 12:39 utc | 221

Thanks!! Same for you!
In my opinion, since the Chinese vision lacks the sense of violence and immediate gain that the US abuses, this whole issue is intended to be nothing more than a masquerade extended over time, in order to keep its opponent neither so far away that it becomes disillusioned and attempts a desperate move, nor so close that such a move is possible. The Taiwan negotiation has only been going on for seventy years, which for Chinese culture is somewhat hasty… without a doubt, they could wait another ten or fifteen years in this tug-of-war while the American empire completely collapses.
That it takes on the costs in an ever-increasing proportion is part of what hastens its downfall…
Posted by: Santi | Nov 10 2024 0:38 utc | 208
Thank you
Normally I would agree with you, but it’s been some years that I feel that Xi would very much like to be the one to do it and has hastened things so that it will be in his lifetime and rule.

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 10 2024 12:41 utc | 222

Xi would very much like to be the one to do it
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 10 2024 12:41 utc | 222

Taiwan is as good as done. The Philippines remains the outpost it has been since before this lovely song was sung by the writer of Big Rock Candy Mountain.
Subic ==> https://youtu.be/E4LWHs17juc
“We’ll all go up to China in the springtime!”

Posted by: too scents | Nov 10 2024 13:12 utc | 223

There is more in German DIE LINKE than Sahra Wagenknecht. There is also MP Sevim Dagdelen. She wrote “DIE NATO. ABRECHNUNG MIT DEM WERTEBUENDNIS” (how to settle the account with a ‘COMMU’ITY OF VALUES’).

Posted by: Teraspol | Nov 10 2024 14:53 utc | 224

@ Teraspol | Nov 10 2024 14:53 utc | 224
Be careful with your terms. While Dagdelen and Wagenknecht are both leftists, neither is a member of the political party calling itself “Die Linke”.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 10 2024 15:45 utc | 225

Santi | Nov 10 2024 1:35 utc | 209 ….
Your sinking ship analogy re the EU — see accounts of the demise of Henry VIII of England’s supposedly top warship the Mary Rose. That would seem to enhance your comparison.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 10 2024 19:06 utc | 226

As the saying goes,

When FUKUSA aka AUKUS make an accusation, its actually a confession of their own crime.

The accusation…
Fucker Carlson

Why are the chicom allowed to mess around in our backyard, so far from home

The confession..
Trump

TW is so near China, so far from US

Chinese have a neat way of saying it…

Bandits crying robbery

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YPO6JHjPhpk

Posted by: denk | Nov 10 2024 19:20 utc | 227

As the saying goes,

When FUKUSA aka AUKUS make an accusation, its actually a confession of their own crime.

The accusation…
Starmer

China is a threat to NATO

[sic]
The confession…
Starmer

“We cannot turn a blind eye to the challenges faced by our friends and partners on the other side of the world,”

Posted by: denk | Nov 10 2024 19:30 utc | 228

MInd you, Starmer raise the China bogeyman while his FM is in Beijing …pleading to the Chinese to forget about the Huawei, HSR2, Hinkley betrayal..

Lets start anew and move on eh ?

Chief big foot,

Pale faced speaks with forked tongue

Posted by: denk | Nov 10 2024 19:45 utc | 229

West blasts China on human rights in Xinjiang, Tibet
The Straits Times
23 Oct 2024 — Australia, the United States and 13 other countries criticised China at the United Nations on Oct 22 over alleged human rights abuses in Xinjiang and Tibet

Right after Albanese’s apparent olive leaf con China to relax some trade sanctions, suckered again !
When’ll they ever learn ?
Pale faced speak with forked tongue
Thats all folks

Posted by: denk | Nov 10 2024 20:02 utc | 230

Pale faced speak with forked tongue

I thought Russian people were also “pale-faced”. They don’t “speak with forked tongue”…

Posted by: joey_n | Nov 11 2024 9:17 utc | 231

Posted by: joey_n | Nov 11 2024 9:17 utc | 231
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Is that why Russia was cancelled from G8., they dont belong ?

Posted by: denk | Nov 11 2024 15:14 utc | 232

No, I simply thought of a counterexample to your generalization, if not an easy refutation thereof.

Posted by: joey_n | Nov 11 2024 23:35 utc | 233

Even if the Rubio nomination, miraculously gets pulled back, Trump has once again exposed himself. The strategy appears to flood the administration with Warhawks, but pull back only if the public outcry is too great and pin it on his transition team. He knows who these people are. My initial impression is that the purpose of that is to create a war cabinet, to pin military escalation on them.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 12 2024 16:13 utc | 234

It’s a week old now, a long time in politics these days, but I found Hugo Dionisio’s dismemberment of neo-liberalism as a breath of fresh air. The only thing missing is a characterization of neo-liberalism as an anti-civilization. Dionisio leads right up to this point but doesn’t quite express things as I am here.
I think this is the answer to the “riddle of BRICS”. To stand up for civilizations, any civilization, is a kind of rejection of the Western neo-liberal rules-based-order. In that sense, even Jenghiz Khan would do.
The remedy to the anti-civilization is any decent civilization. And we have plenty of self-conscious civilizations in the BRICS grouping … any one of which is a kind of antidote so that, taken as a whole, BRICS cannot help but be the worst neo-liberal nightmare.
Perhaps that’s why they’re screaming and shouting all the time, saying stupid things, yadda yadda…
see SCF:
Neoliberalism and the destruction of conscience

Posted by: NH | Nov 12 2024 18:47 utc | 235