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November 2, 2024
NY Times Announces Ukraine Narrative Change

Below are a number of New York Times headlines which represent the propaganda narrative about Ukraine as it has changed over time.

'Ukraine is winning' was the direction of stories issued from April 2022 up to August 2023.

  • Can Ukraine Keep Winning? – Apr 20, 2022
    As a new phase of the war begins, we look at Russia’s advantages — and Ukraine’s.

When it was finally acknowledged that the Ukrainian 'counteroffensive' had failed the narrative moved towards 'it's a stalemate' which was used to describe the situation up to the fall of 2024.

We are now arriving at a phase where the narrative can no longer ignore the objective reality. Ukraine is losing the war. Russia is winning.

> American military and intelligence officials have concluded that the war in Ukraine is no longer a stalemate as Russia makes steady gains, and the sense of pessimism in Kyiv and Washington is deepening.

The Pentagon assesses that Ukraine has enough soldiers to fight for six to 12 more months, one official said. After that, he said, it will face a steep shortage. <

Ukraine never had a chance to win a contest with Russia. The correlation of forces where never in favor of Ukraine. It had neither the men, money or industry to win the war. Nor did the West ever intended to provide those. The U.S. aim was and is to weaken Russia, not to defeat it. That would be too dangerous (think nukes).

As UWDude remarked in a recent comment (edited):

Again, at the outset, Russia vs Ukraine, a whole bunch of bullshit was spewed about how weak Russia was to build a case for Ukraine having a chance, when every casual observer could see Russia would win. Like watching a bear tangle with a doe, and people saying bears are not that powerful and a doe's kick could kill a bear if in the right place.

Ukraine having a chance was just people lying to themselves, when the truth was evident from the start.

At least some of the profession propagandists are smart enough to recognize that the fairytales they write are just that and have nothing to do with reality. Other propagandists, often politicians, are falling for their own narrative. They once did believe that Ukraine was winning. They once did believe that the war was at a stalemate. They will now come to believe that Ukraine is losing the war.

Let's hope that they will derive the correct consequences from it.

(Make peace you fools!)

Comments

I don’t understand how anyone believed that the Ukraine could win…When has Russia ever lost a land war on its territory? Even the Teutonic Knights couldn’t withstand it…
I have always said that snowballs in the hot place have a better shot….

Posted by: Pyrrhus | Nov 2 2024 18:59 utc | 101

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2024 18:45 utc | 92
The war started with the Maidan coup.
When I see very lengthy posts I immediately scroll to the bottom to see who posted before wasting time trying to interpret word salad of intermixed facts, factoids, nonsense & personal opinion.
And I waste no time trying to discuss with said authors. 😉 Just saying…

Posted by: Mary | Nov 2 2024 18:59 utc | 102

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 2 2024 14:40 utc | 16 “too close to call” “Daily Mail has a news story that reveals the truth. Instead of attending a Penn State versus Ohio State football game”
I do not know how it will turn out. And I am not sure this still correct but:
Counterpoint: “Trump has ten stops planned for the final three days starting today: four of them are in NC. This tells me they have poll data that shows they are in serious trouble of losing his red wall.” https://x.com/matthewjdowd/status/1852681166865768788

Posted by: Ed4 | Nov 2 2024 19:00 utc | 103

Yes, I agree that Syria was a major wakeup call for Putin, shattering at least some of his delusions about rapprochement with the USA and its stooges…..

Posted by: Pyrrhus | Nov 2 2024 19:03 utc | 104

“On the other hand, Dima’s political and strategic analyses are garbage.”
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 2 2024 18:03 utc | 72
Lol. Since the very beginning of this North Korea might be fighting in Kursk nonsense he has been sucked into thinking it might happen.
North Korea trains in Russia and has had a long relationship between the two countries. If Russia needed troops they would be more than happy to oblige.
But they are also not stupid and even a lay person can see the political problems with them stepping in in Kursk.
Anyways I respect and appreciate his work. It’s not uncommon for the mapping people to misunderstand the Strategic situation. Like the geopolitical analyst it is a highly speculative job by its nature. You have to be prepared to be wrong a lot of the time.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 2 2024 19:03 utc | 105

Re: Russian readiness (or not) in 2014; may or may not be a minor factor but at that time the hypersonics were still in development and testing. Confidence in any potential course of action could well be gained once these were proven and and production scaled-up to deployment levels.
IMHO these weapons have been the real “game-changer”; NATO has yet to come up with a viable operational/strategic response. The Western media certainly tries to downplay or ignore their impact (both figuratively and literally).

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 2 2024 19:03 utc | 106

I have a feeling that Ukraine doesn’t capitulate until Russia establishes full control over Donetsk and begins to push towards the full “liberation” of Kherson and other regions where they held their secession referenda (where very many people voted not with ballots but with their feet). The threat of losing Odessa, or being cut off from the Black Sea entirely, would result in peace talks. Ukraine would probably be lucky, at that point, not to have greater territorial concessions wrung from them.

Posted by: fnord | Nov 2 2024 19:04 utc | 107

RE:
[video of purported air attack on F16s]
Posted by: Dany | Nov 2 2024 18:03 utc | 71
This video is fake footage from a video game. There are a bunch of reasons why it’s pretty obvious it’s fake, but if you want something conclusive, at around the 8 minute mark, there is a sudden camera zoom and you can see it’s obviously CGI; there’s also a CGI tank right after the zoom.

Posted by: Outrage Beyond | Nov 2 2024 19:05 utc | 108

A link to Dimas military summary YouTube channel:
https://youtube.com/@militarysummary?si=xTgb_hYWQxYMSRG2

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 2 2024 19:05 utc | 109

Dr.Johnson’s comment about the UK unifying with the American colonies comes to mind….”We should unite with you only to rob you, sir”

Posted by: Pyrrhus | Nov 2 2024 19:05 utc | 110

https://t.me/dva_majors/56633

🇷🇺🇺🇦What are Ukrainian formations preparing for?
Against the backdrop of news about possible provocations on National Unity Day, where the hand of British intelligence services with their love for symbolism on special days for the Russian Federation is visible, the activation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is interesting.
🔻We are not talking about the front, but about the deep rear. In the last few days, the air force units of the so-called Ukraine have been activated, training at an increased pace in the western regions.
▪️From 13 to 18 sorties of Su-24M Storm Shadow/SCALP cruise missile carrier bombers were observed from the Starokonstantinov airfield , flying in different directions, sometimes at low and sometimes at high altitudes.
▪️To train to cover Western missile carriers, MiG-29 fighters flew from the Lutsk airfield , which could also practice launching ADM-160 MALD decoys.
▪️In Ivano-Frankivsk region, 27 flights of L-39 training aircraft were recorded in one day , which practically never happened in such quantities, and the routes differed from the standard ones.
❗️That is, in just one day, 41 training flights were recorded, with a standard of 10-13 per day. And that’s not all.
In the area of ​​the Kinburn Spit, a couple of days ago, two unmanned boats were recorded, launched from Odessa , which were conducting reconnaissance of the coastal part. After their discovery, they turned around and flew back. At the same time, the AR5 Tekever drone has been flying in the air for several days . In addition, the Bayraktar drone is patrolling along the standard route along the Black Sea from the airfield in Uman . And in the Kiev reservoir, active sea trials of new unmanned boats have resumed, which has also not been observed for a long time.
🔻If we add up the facts of previous massive attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which were combined with some important events in Russian history, the planning of Ukrainian Armed Forces operations against Russia by the British and possible provocations, then a new attack by the enemy is possible in the coming days.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 2 2024 19:07 utc | 111

So always assuming NATO would know everything I do and a lot more, you really have to ask what possesses them?
Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 2 2024 18:57 utc | 96
They want to harm Russia in all possible ways aiming at dismembering the Federation like they dismembered the CCCP.
Read Collateral damage 911. In PDF format. It is not only on 911…
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-EmuQ_tNGZrT2rI_x/page/n21/mode/2up

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2024 19:08 utc | 112

“IMHO these weapons have been the real “game-changer”; NATO has yet to come up with a viable operational/strategic response. The Western media certainly tries to downplay or ignore their impact (both figuratively and literally).”
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 2 2024 19:03 utc | 105
I agree but I think most people were reading the situation incorrectly. I think Scott Ritter made a vague reference at one point. The important thing that was happening was that as each month passed Russia was increasing its inventory of missiles. It was focusing on increasing its production.
So I was of the opinion that by the fall of 2023 they had some unknown hundreds of these hypersonics in inventory. Nothing dramatic was going to happen over the following 6 months so that was only going to increase.
At this point they seem to have more than they even need and can liberally use them when they want to.
Anyways I knew I sounded like an idiot at the time when I was announcing Russia it just won the war. LOL. Maybe I still do.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 2 2024 19:10 utc | 113

I would add that you don’t just need a system like the S400 and S500. You need a huge stockpile of these missiles. Thousands of them.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 2 2024 19:11 utc | 114

Russian Foreign Minister Warns USA and Russia Are Very Close to ‘Direct Military Conflict’ Because of Biden
But does the Western media view said DMC as a ‘bad’ thing, or? (I wish this were sarcasm…)

Posted by: Call it what u will | Nov 2 2024 19:11 utc | 115

Posted by: hopehely | Nov 2 2024 18:59 utc | 99
I meant the support of the Russian population for a military support of the Donbass. Not to forgot that it was the Communist Party who first introduced a bill at the Duma to recognise the two independant Republics. A first time the bill was turned down, only to be accepted a few days later, likely when it was learned that the ukronazis were ready to ethnic cleanse the Donbass from the 8th of March 2022.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2024 19:13 utc | 116

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 2 2024 19:03 utc | 105
Exactly!

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2024 19:15 utc | 117

Posted by: Mary | Nov 2 2024 18:59 utc | 101
I understand your point of view! 😉

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2024 19:17 utc | 118

“Let’s hope that they will derive the correct consequences from it.” (b)
I also hope so, but …
“they” live in their own bubble. They create the context (the narrative) from thin air. What are the consequences for them or for the Americans? None yet. They live comfortably on an island at the antipodes (or almost) of where the destruction and horrors occur. I don’t see how the Western politicians can change their colonialist mindset. At best they may become irrelevaht … slowly…
“they” are currently targeting a smaller prey: Moldovia and Transnistria according to Thierry Meyssan.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article221421.html

Posted by: Richard L | Nov 2 2024 19:19 utc | 119

Those arguing that Ukraine could win were not wrong, from the very start it wasn’t Ukraine fighting the Russians, it was NATO, the Ukrainians furnished only the manpower, most of the hardware was of NATO origin, as was the strategic oversight, intelligence and satellite comm and guidance (Musk’s Starling), within less than a year all gear was of NATO origin, regretfully for the Western interests the Ukrainian boys and men were not adequately trained in the use of the Western hardware even though NATO had eight years to do the job of instructing and coaching properly.
The MSM poodles either did not know about the heavy NATO involvement (no journalists have been allowed anywhere near the front line) or knew but were told to keep schtum about it, they had to peddle the story of an ‘Ukrainian’ win.
Why do you think the geriatric in the Oval Office is so reluctant to let the DA of Kiev penetrate deep into Russia with American Tomahawk long-range missiles? Nothing would have pleased the warmongering lot more than the destruction of military assets deep in the Russian East, it’s the generals that are saying ‘don’t even think about it’, they know it would be yet another failure, even bigger one that the inability of NATO to dislodge the Russian forces from the occupied territories in the last two years.
The implications for NATO of the failure to kick the Russians back into Russia are beyond serious, they are existential, there will have to be a major re-think about the alliance that has proved itself to be not fit for purpose, so far anyway.

Posted by: Baron | Nov 2 2024 19:22 utc | 120

“they” are currently targeting a smaller prey: Moldovia and Transnistria according to Thierry Meyssan.
Posted by: Richard L | Nov 2 2024 19:19 utc | 118
That target was set many years ago by the rand think tank. Iirr it was the last item of the list.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2024 19:23 utc | 121

Steve @ 67
“As to Minsk, the policy of treating the fascist regime/the US as people who can be negotiated with”
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You don’t seem to know anything about the Minsk Agreement.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 2 2024 19:25 utc | 122

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 2 2024 18:57 utc | 96
So always assuming NATO would know everything I do and a lot more, you really have to ask what possesses them? What are they thinking here? It’s been over for a while now.

For a start, they are relying on the sanity and caution of their enemy (Russia, China, Iran, all of them). They have good reason to do so, and it’s not entirely a vabanque gamble IMO. Throughout the SMO we could occasionally glimpse injections of reality/sanity from the Pentagon (not so much from Western politicians): early on, they announced that there are US-Russian military contacts (that helps against accidental nuclear wars); time and again, they made clear that conventional war = good, nuclear war or NATO participation = bad (so countries like France or Poland were encouraged to send their troops privately, godspeed).
Regarding NATO: it’s only a tool, not an end to itself. By now, there are mainstream articles like “will NATO exist in three years?” (Spiegel). People like Stoltenberg or Rutte don’t make the decisions; they are the mouth-pieces. When push comes to shove in Washington, NATO is expendable as are all EUropean allies (=vassals). They are squeezing as much out of EUrope as they can, and it works nicely because almost all governments are 100% transatlantic (=reliable Western party line).

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 2 2024 18:11 utc | 76
But that only underscores how stupid and incompetent, the DC crowd is.

If you look into RAND reports and the like, these people know what’s going on. They are not stupid. Any given politician in the West may be truly stupid (looking at our favourites Liz and Anna-Lena here) but that’s a feature, not a bug.
I agree entirely with your list and sure, it’s not nice for the empire but you have to play the position you’re in. To me, it looks as if at least one important faction is trying to set up Cold War 2 with a much smaller Western part than last time but under much tighter grip. Perhaps that’s all they can ask for right now. There are still billions to squeeze out of the Western population/countries, so it’s not like their model of capitalism is entirely dead.
It will be interesting to see if and how they open the Taiwan case. Again, there’s nothing to gain militarily but if they can do to Japan, South Korea, Australia, Philippines etc. what they did to EUrope, then it might be reasonable.

This list makes Pyrrhus’ battles seem like the Battle of Midway.

The West is plaged by strategic myopia for at least forty years, IMO. If they can go on like this for another twenty years without having to compromise their system, it may look good enough.

Posted by: Konami | Nov 2 2024 19:29 utc | 123

I tried to read some of the articles of the mouthpieces and I couldn’t make it, the lies made me sick to my stomach.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 2 2024 19:32 utc | 124

@Jane #83
The notion that this election is close is pure gaslighting.
Don’t take my word for it – reference
Real Clear Politics:
Click on the link to that page, now go to the right side and scroll down. About halfway down the 1st page, there is a comparison of results “today” vs. the same day in 2020 and 2016.
2024: Trump +0.3
2020: Biden +7.8
2016: Clinton +1.5
Biden beat Trump in the popular vote by 4.5% and won the electoral college; HRC won the popular vote by 2.1% but lost the electoral college.
The only way this race is close, is if you believe the inherent Democrat biased media and university polls have not only fixed their biases, but have overcorrected to a Trump bias.
Scroll further down and look at the swing states: it is very clear who is going to win.
I have said before, I said again:
Trump will win 2024.
Trump will win with at least 300 electoral votes – median is 312 with a small chance of 319 (100 more than Harris).
Not only that – I expect the Republicans to not only take control of Congress but push the 55-57 majority number. Not quite filibuster proof but extremely strong.
Furthermore, Trump has a 60%+ chance to win the popular vote outright, so that will kibosh the 2016 complaints.
And if Trump wins the popular vote, it is difficult to see the Republicans losing control of the House of Representatives, although the neocon dinosaur hierarchy of the Republican party is trying its best to.
Robert Barnes has also said that Rand Paul is to take Treasury and oversight of the Federal Reserve.
Harmeet Dhillon likely to be AG an DOJ.
RFK Jr. wants HHS but wants to be a roving troubleshooter/Deep State bureaucracy fixer rather than face a nasty Congressional confirmation fight.
Massie will be State.
Tulsi is screening Cabinet candidates and Barnes believes Pompeo isn’t going to get through the process.
There is no way to know if this is true, but it is consistent with what Trump has said publicly so far.
If even half of the above happen, it will represent true Hope and Change.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 2 2024 19:36 utc | 125

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 2 2024 17:54 utc | 65
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Russia is fighting a war of attrition, not a war for territory. The West and Ukraine are terrified that Ukraine is quickly running out of meat to feed into the front-line meat grinder, which is why the MSM narrative is changing.
If territory were the goal for Russia, then at least another one million more troops would be required to defend the conquered territory. It is better to reduce AFU troops before they can return to fight again.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 2 2024 19:38 utc | 126

@Ed #125
Attrition is not just about exhausting/collapsing the AFU.
Attrition means nobody in Ukraine but the most delusional will have any belief that Ukraine could have won “if only”: more NATO support, better leaders whether political or military, etc etc.
Everyone who put their asses where their mouths are has had several years now to volunteer and defeat the Moskals – everyone else is just grubbing for a share of the Western firehose of cash.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 2 2024 19:42 utc | 127

With the takeover of Ukraine in 2014 the USA also got the factory where first Soviet, later Russian nuclear missiles where made. Russia needed to design and build new nuclear missiles first.

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 2 2024 19:44 utc | 128

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 2 2024 19:36 utc | 124
You Americans live even more in lala land than we Germans…There is no such thing as hope for the average American Joe…There is hope only for the top 1 percent (generously 5 percent) of Americans. And the Taj Mahal Donald will not disappoint this hope…
https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 2 2024 19:53 utc | 129

The US and the West will have severe difficulties accepting the terms that I expect will be put forward by Putin (at a minimum the Dniepr plus Odessa). Russia will keep grinding to change the facts on the ground before a Trump win turns into a Trump presidency (January 20th, 2025), a good 2.5 months from now. That’s another 175,000 Ukrainian casualties and more massive losses of vehicles, artillery etc. with a de-energized Ukraine in the middle of winter. And Kurakhove, Pokrovsk and Toretsk gone?
The Russians will also keep grinding whilst the negotiations grind on, they hopefully have learnt that lesson from 2022. The biggest issue will be if the West is stupid enough to try to defend the Dniepr, or Trump attempts to escalate to force Putin to the negotiating table with a US-acceptable peace plan.
All the stories about Ukraine struggling can also be used as a reason to get much more involved and escalate.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 2 2024 20:06 utc | 130

But they are also not stupid and even a lay person can see the political problems with them stepping in in Kursk.Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 2 2024 19:03 utc | 104
I don’t. It’s Russian territory. Russia can have whoever it likes on Russian territory. As I have stated before, NK does not have much to trade to Russia, but Russia still needs to sell its oil and grain closed to western markets, but NK does have plenty of soldiers and materiel.
The arguments that the west is making it up to justify putting in SK troops in Ukraine to me is weak. The west can at any time put any troops it wants in Ukraine. They are all afraid of direct war with Russia is the reason they do not. And SK is no lion of courage.
Finally, NK could really use the honing of their blades a war like this could give, and, they are a militaristic nation with no war to speak of for 70 years. I am sure if NK has troops in Russia, every single one is enthusiastic and motivated.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 2 2024 20:13 utc | 131

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 2 2024 20:13 utc | 130
It’s Russian territory. Russia can have whoever it likes on Russian territory. Finally, NK could really use the honing of their blades a war like this could give, and, they are a militaristic nation with no war to speak of for 70 years. I am sure if NK has troops in Russia, every single one is enthusiastic and motivated.

This! The argument should be commonplace but I don’t really see it out there. North Korean troops on formally Ukrainian ground: perhaps an issue. Those troops helping liberate the Kursk region: entirely a Russian-NK affair. As UWDude writes, an excellent opportunity (as sad as it is) to learn and to train.
Not to forget the metric tons of hypocrisy: what with “oh no, North Koreans against us” and “China is sanctioning us!!”. I sometimes wonder if this kind of stupidity (because to believe it, you have to ignore the *mainstream* news from, say, last month) really flies but the answer is probably yes.

Posted by: Konami | Nov 2 2024 20:27 utc | 132

before a Trump win turns into a Trump presidency
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 2 2024 20:06 utc | 129

Regardless of the election’s outcome the interregnum will be a challenging speed bump for the USA to navigate without bottoming out. A lot can happen while the ship of state is adrift, especially when so many situations need attention. Autopilot isn’t up to the task.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 2 2024 20:28 utc | 133

Lavrov said that the alliance with N. Korea will stabilize the security situation in Asia. I believe that means stabilize the Russian Federations control of its eastern provinces (Siberia) and that seems a correct assessment to me. Nothing to do with Ukraine, as such. Everything to do with attempts to make trouble in East Asia.
The alliance with Iran has similar effects in W. Asia, as we can already see.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2024 20:28 utc | 134

B wrote: “The U.S. aim was and is to weaken Russia, not to defeat it.”
Disagree. The aim was for Russia to implode. To create disillusionment and economic hardship through economic terrorism (sanctions) so the population would get angry and if all went well, some new Yeltsin (Prigozhin made a grave error) would start infighting at the top resulting in the weakening end eventually dissolution of the Russian Federation. This balkanization the Western parasitic sponsors of the war hoped for was cynically called the “decolonization of Russia”. If everything would have gone according to plan the vast wealth of the autarchic Russian Federation would have been pillaged by now without the use of nukes. Kaliningrad, Russia’s thorn in Poland’s thigh would be appropriated. The vast mineral wealth would be up for grabs to save the US empire in decay perfectly illustrated by its phony decaying president who no longer can pretend US presidents are effectively in charge. Fortunately it turned out differently because of Putin’s skills.

Posted by: xor | Nov 2 2024 20:29 utc | 135

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 2 2024 19:32 utc | 123
I tried to read some of the articles of the mouthpieces and I couldn’t make it, the lies made me sick to my stomach.

I feel you. Myself, I can read it, in moderate doses, but I cannot watch. There are some honest journalists attending Bundespressekonferenz where speakers of German secretaries supposedly get interrogated (of course, mainstream journalists will just reiterate the standard talking points). The outright lies these people produce –and they know we know they lie– is too much for me. In German, we have the nice word “fremdschämen” for this, no idea how to translate: but I cannot watch this dreck, too painful.

Posted by: Konami | Nov 2 2024 20:31 utc | 136

@ Posted by: UWDude | Nov 2 2024 20:13 utc | 130
The arguments that the west is making it up to justify putting in SK troops in Ukraine to me is weak.
The argument doesn’t have to be strong, and there is a record of such a thing, when the US imported thousands of ROK troops into Vietnam.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 2 2024 20:32 utc | 137

Posted by: Baron | Nov 2 2024 19:22 utc | 119
Dont mistake being able to land a punch with being able to knock someone out.
I am sure many in the west saw Ukraine as a possible Afghanistan 2.0 for Russia. It never was comparable.
No escalation will make Russia lose, all the way to full nuclear war, Russia still wins. That is why the west is hesitant to escalate… …they know it is futile, so they can only do a risk-reward analysis.
Putin invading Ukraine, was the biggest move in geopolitics since Germany invading Poland. The west banked he would back down, and for 8 years it looked that way.
Then Feb 2022 changed everything. Putin going into Ukraine was a high noon showdown. it was so brazen, that any delusions of him balking at strategic nuclear war if pushed to it were shattered.
Since then, he has set the tone and pace of the war.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 2 2024 20:32 utc | 138

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 2 2024 20:06 utc | 129
In the Rogan interview, Trump said he told Putin “dont you dare etc”, then he threw in a little bit.. “Putin could not anyway, because oil was only $40 a barrel”.
Likely, Trump will first try a web of deals to bring the price of oil way down.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 2 2024 20:35 utc | 139

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 2 2024 20:13 utc | 130
The economy of the Russian Federation has a huge interest in the very qualified North Korean workers and in the production facilities (both military and civilian)…That’s what it’s all about…The economy of the Russian Federation is growing too fast, hence the interest rate hike by the Central Bank etc . … It’s a classic win/win situation.

Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 2 2024 20:35 utc | 140

Another attritional aspect not covered by Western MSM; if they were interested in fighting, they wouldn’t have left in the first place:

Find Out Where Most Ukrainian Refugees Fled to Since February 2022
Since February 2022, a significant number of Ukrainian citizens have sought refuge in Russia, much to the dismay of the Ukrainian government, as noted by Russia’s permanent representative to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, during a Security Council meeting.
“Zelensky and his clique are enraged that Ukrainians, after leaving for the West and encountering difficulties, humiliation, and language discrimination, are not only returning to Russia but are also moving in large numbers to the regions that have become part of our country as a result of referendums,” Nebenzia stated on October 31.
He emphasized that between February 2022 and February 2023, a whopping 5.3 million Ukrainian refugees had arrived in Russia.
Where in Europe have Ukrainian refugees found sanctuary?
According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), approximately 4,918,245 Ukrainian refugees had been recorded in European countries, excluding Russia and Belarus, as of October 15.
This figure includes Ukrainian refugees who have been granted refugee status, temporary asylum, temporary protection, or similar national protection statuses, as well as those documented in the host country under various forms of residence since February 24, 2022.
Most Ukrainian asylum seekers have sought refuge in the following countries:
– Germany: 1,212,835
– Poland: 981,335
– Czech Republic: 380,375
– United Kingdom: 250,035
– Spain: 211,305
– Italy: 173,540
– Romania: 162,180
– Slovakia: 127,015
– Republic of Moldova: 123,730
– Netherlands: 120,100
– Ireland: 110,960
– Belgium: 84,170
– Austria: 83,020
– Norway: 76,215
– Finland: 67,830
– Bulgaria: 67,540
– Switzerland: 67,155
– France: 65,410
– Portugal: 63,470
– Hungary: 61,245
In addition, the UNHCR estimates that approximately 560,200 Ukrainian refugees have been recorded outside of Europe as of October 15.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20241101/find-out-where-most-ukrainian-refugees-fled-to-since-february-2022-1120749403.html

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 2 2024 20:36 utc | 141

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2024 18:45 utc | 92 Proven wrong about what my position was, this person creates a new objection rather than respond: “About Crimea, there was no choice.” This too is false: Proclaim the truth, that Yanukovych was the legal president, hold Crimea in the legal government’s name against the Maidani coup, acknowledge Yanukovych as president over the Donbas too. Yanukovych was poor stuff, but this was another choice. And I suspect Putin and others could have devised other choices, but this alone refutes Naive.
@94 “You are doing just that in your comments.” As I wrote in my comments “(based on his record of support for Yeltsin and other things, not mindreading by the way)” too. Naive merely has a naive trust in “Russia,” which may mean faith in Putin personally? BadJoke’s plausible suggestion was a rather specific decision I am too cautious to endorse absent more evidence.
Posted by: Mary | Nov 2 2024 18:59 utc | 101 “When I see very lengthy posts I immediately scroll to the bottom to see who posted before wasting time trying to interpret word salad of intermixed facts, factoids, nonsense & personal opinion.” Short posts are short, yes, often because they are also nothing but personal opinion, nonsense, factoids—but rarely facts. Facts tend to be tediously lengthy to report accurately. Short arguments are all too often short because they’re simplistic, if not simple-minded. It would be more productive to skip the short posts..and make a note of the authors of long posts that really are word salad. Short posts are usually as content free as this one. Just saying.
See for example Posted by: Jane | Nov 2 2024 19:25 utc | 121 “You don’t seem to know anything about the Minsk Agreement.” Neither does Jane, which is why this is a short post. So much for the value of short posts. My guess is that Jane doesn’t know anything about the Minsk agreements that refutes or even modifies my assessment that accepting Minsk as good faith was consistent with misunderstanding the nature of Kyiv’s fascism, not realizing that fascists sacrifice their people, rather than make peace for their sake.
On the other hand, a lengthy post like this, Posted by: c1ue | Nov 2 2024 19:36 utc | 124 can be detailed enough to refute. “The only way this race is close, is if you believe the inherent Democrat biased media and university polls have not only fixed their biases, but have overcorrected to a Trump bias.” First, it is simply not true that all opinions polls are Democratic, or all media are, or even that “university” are. That’s just arbitrary BS of the sort Mary prefers. And there have been efforts to correct for a supposed Trump underestimation effect. See https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/31400 for a usefully clear recap and link. And in a long post, not bothering to explain how Robert Barnes knows what Trump is going to do isn’t an oversight, it’s word salad, to coin a phrase. Useful tip, then, skip c1ue until the election results give some credibility. As of now, all the evidence suggests that the notion Trumpers are the decisive majority of the population is pure gaslighting.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 2 2024 19:38 utc | 125 “Russia is fighting a war of attrition, not a war for territory.” The thing is, taking territory is the number one way to prevent recovery from attrition. Ukraine is getting no fresh meat from liberated Ukraine. Even more, given the real enemy of Russia is NATO/EU/US, none of which is suffering significant attrition at all it is entirely unclear how the RF can win that battle?

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 2 2024 20:37 utc | 142

Likely, Trump will first try a web of deals to bring the price of oil way down.
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 2 2024 20:35 utc | 138

Jacking up unemployment should do it.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 2 2024 20:38 utc | 143

c1ue @126
“Robert Barnes has also said that Rand Paul is to take Treasury and oversight of the Federal Reserve.
Harmeet Dhillon likely to be AG an DOJ.
RFK Jr. wants HHS but wants to be a roving troubleshooter/Deep State bureaucracy fixer rather than face a nasty Congressional confirmation fight.
Massie will be State.
Tulsi is screening Cabinet candidates and Barnes believes Pompeo isn’t going to get through the process.”
Well . . . that is quite a list of eventualities (and I want a pony [sorry, had to say that]). To state a contrary view, I am not sure if you watched Trump’s Rogan interview where he did not have anything bad to say about Pompeo, and there is this from the WSJ a few days ago:
“Cantor Fitzgerald Chief Executive Howard Lutnick hired thousands of employees after most of his company’s New York staff was killed on Sept. 11, 2001. Now he is in charge of lining up candidates for a similar number of jobs in the event of a second Trump administration.”
– Not sure how supportive Howard Lutnick will be of Rand Paul. Rolling Stone (I know) said that Kushner will be involved in appointments.
Other reports have said that Tom Cotton is on the list for Secretary of Defense.
If Trump wins (I would have guessed him as the winner until a few days ago), appointments will likely be a battle of Lutnick / Kushner v. Vance. I will be batting on the former.

Posted by: schmoe | Nov 2 2024 20:40 utc | 144

This made me laugh: zelensky is asking the allies to just stop watching as the NK soldiers near the battlefield.
Has he not seen that the same allies are just watching Gaza destroyed and its people murdered.
Does he think he is regarded any different from the Palestinians?

Posted by: KingCobra | Nov 2 2024 20:42 utc | 145

when the US imported thousands of ROK troops into Vietnam.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 2 2024 20:32 utc | 136
And they did not need NK troops in Vietnam as an excuse. At best NK troops were there only after SK, and never in direct combat, but even that is highly questionable.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 2 2024 20:44 utc | 146

To #23 Lysias: You say in 2016 Trump carried Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and came close to winning Minnesota. In 2016 it was the unconditional promise of a wall on day one that won those states-not Don. If 2016 Candidate Trump had once said, “I promise on day 1 to ask congress for permission and money to build a wall,” he would’ve been laughed off the stage & never heard from again. But shortly after he “won” that’s exactly what he did say. Everyone knows 100% of congress is rabidly open borders, esp. GOP, so not one inch of “wall” would ever be built. You don’t mention that Don made his “star” Jared Kushner de facto president and in 2020 lost all 4 of those states.

Posted by: susan mullen | Nov 2 2024 20:46 utc | 147

The outright lies these people produce –and they know we know they lie– is too much for me. In German, we have the nice word “fremdschämen” for this, no idea how to translate: but I cannot watch this dreck, too painful.
Posted by: Konami | Nov 2 2024 20:31 utc | 135
Yes, this is sort of the point. They lie. They know that they lie. They know that we know that they lie. And they keep lying, piling lies upon lies, in order to drive home the point that they are allowed to lie and we aren’t allowed to question it.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 2 2024 20:49 utc | 148

The U.S. aim was and is to weaken Russia, not to defeat it.
Posted by b on November 2, 2024 at 13:07 UTC |

Yes, and recognizing that is key to understanding the whole thing, IMO. And many people have difficulty with that understanding, because of their tendency to view the Ukraine conflict as a win-or-lose war for Ukraine and Russia. I agree with Bernhard that the conflict was intended to weaken Russia and make it vulnerable to a color revolution by generating discontent and antiwar dissent among the Russian populace. Military defeat of Russia was never expected, because, as B has noted, that would trigger Russia’s nuclear option. That the conflict has not accomplished its purpose is a great disappointment to the US/UK/NATO bloc, requiring them to withdraw and rethink their strategy. And they are preparing the US audience for that eventuality by drizzling the news of Ukraine’s imminent defeat through the administration’s media channels, especially the NYT and WaPo.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Nov 2 2024 20:58 utc | 149

given the real enemy of Russia is NATO/EU/US, none of which is suffering significant attrition at all it is entirely unclear how the RF can win that battle?

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 2 2024 20:37 utc | 141
Are you sure about this? From what I can find, Western weapon stockpiles have been seriously depleted, as NATO has been living off the “accumulated fat” of past investment and procurement programmes and is struggling to replenish those stockiles. Heck, the British Army is even still struggling to get hold of camouflage paint to repaint vehicles and equipment still in desert theatre livery; this has been going on since at least Spring 2024.
And even if you believe otherwise, one matter that cannot be argued: the quality and reputation of Western weaponry has been severely attrited.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 2 2024 21:01 utc | 150

I tried to read some of the articles of the mouthpieces and I couldn’t make it, the lies made me sick to my stomach.
Posted by: Tichy | Nov 2 2024 19:32 utc | 123
Welcome to the club!

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2024 21:02 utc | 151

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 2 2024 20:37 utc | 141
Strawman fallacies all the way. You have no argument.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2024 21:04 utc | 152

Janet Yellin has been sitting on her diminishing cash account, holding off open market sales of U.S. Debt before the Nov 5th vote.
Yet Long Term U.S. Dated rates still keep rising.
U.S. 10 year closing at 4.386 (from low of 3.6 earlier this fall). So unless the U.S. starts printing money (again) borrowing to waste on wars is going to get a lot more difficult.
So, for the uniformed, attrition has many benefits.

Posted by: kupkee | Nov 2 2024 21:06 utc | 153

Much like the Allies demands in WWII that the Germans surrender unconditionally guaranteed that the slaughter would continue to the heart of Berlin, Putin’s insistence on achieving his maximalist demands ensures that the war will continue.
Posted by: Zargo | Nov 2 2024 13:41 utc | 6
The US Democrats and the British wanted this war to hurt Russia. Now it turns out that the longer it lasts, the more disadvantageous their position becomes. Typical for Putin: You wanted to harm us, so let’s see if we can’t harm you a little more. And now the North Koreans are coming into play, possibly just as a vanguard for the Chinese – slowly even the US puppet governments in Europe should wake up a little and get cold feet at the idea that Putin can place large numbers of Asian troops on their doorstep. But the way the USA has set up Europe since 1945, they will only notice their downfall when they hear about it from the US-affiliated media – and that can take a while.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 2 2024 21:07 utc | 154

Thank you b. for your analysis, and especially reading the NYT for me. You are protecting my mind from the mountain of rubbish it issues.

Posted by: YesXorNo | Nov 2 2024 21:09 utc | 155

To #124 c1ue, your guy Trump is considering billionaire John Paulson for Treas. Sec. if not Soros star Scott Bessent. Paulson was “smart” key figure in the 2008 global financial crisis when his hedge fund shorted $25 billion+ of mortgage securities. Paulson recently hosted a fundraiser for Don. I recall being embarrassed at the sight of Don’s Goldman Sachs and Soros selections on the stage in 2016-2017, realizing I’d been fooled. Don has a warm spot in his heart for Soros. In 2015 Jared accepted a $250 million credit line from Soros. Of course in 2016 Jared became Don’s #1 “advisor.”

Posted by: susan mullen | Nov 2 2024 21:11 utc | 156

Russia did lose a land war on its territory, in 1917-18.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 2 2024 21:13 utc | 157

From Wikipedia:

The ROK Armed Forces is one of the largest and most powerful standing armed forces in the world with a reported personnel strength of 3,600,000 in 2022 (500,000 active and 3,100,000 reserve).

*Lack of manpower is the biggest problem for ukraine.
*ROK is not in NATO.
Unlike the Poles or most of Europe they can be used in Ukraine without Russia having the right to strike back at NATO.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Nov 2 2024 21:15 utc | 158

Russian soldiers are interfering in the US elections to get more votes for Trump
LINK

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 2 2024 21:18 utc | 159

ROK is not in NATO.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Nov 2 2024 21:15 utc | 157
Right you are then, good luck integrating them with NATO command and communication systems and processes, $DEITY knows it’s difficult enough among existing NATO members…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 2 2024 21:22 utc | 160

The thing is, regarding the assertion the RF wasn’t ready for war in 2014, this omits the Crimea issue. Massive RF intervention was feasible there because there was already a major RF armed forces base of operations, since those forces were already there.
If starting a war in 2014 was impossible in Lugansk and Donetsk, it was impossible in Crimea, despite the logistic capabilities in place from the treaty allowing for Sebastopol etc.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 2 2024 14:52 utc | 19
Yes, Steven, we know Russia could easily take Crimea. No one was disputing that. People claiming that Donbas was as easy to bring under Russian control as a major Russian naval base are too enthusiastic in the direction of Russian chauvinism. VVP didn’t and doesn’t even have the force to easily maintain control over Kherson or Kharkiv while fighting a broader war. Russia clearly overestimated its strength with local “antifascist” forces in the first months of the SMO, and spent two years trying to compensate for it.
As for the antifascist left in the West, it has been of little worth as an organized whole. Tucker Carlson has considerably more influence with his antiwar sentiments than “leftist” politicians frantically aligning with Macron and Biden. It’s no wonder Glenn Greenwald and Russell Brand spend more time with the new nationalists than with their former compatriots.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Nov 2 2024 21:25 utc | 161

I think many here are forgetting the real reason the Empire forced this war in the Ukraine. MIC profits and laundering huge amounts of cash through the world’s most corrupt country to make it available for pilferage are just icing on the cake.
The main issue is that capitalist contradictions have reached a crisis level in the West. Despite appearances, profit rates are way down. It may not be apparent to the average plebe on the street seeing big businesses getting huge handouts from the state, but profits are tanking and capitalism needs that “global reset”, which of course means destruction of (the other capitalists’) productive capacity and thus world war. That is why America is cannibalizing Europe’s economy. The main issue is therefore the “Thucydides Trap” the American Empire is in with China.
The plan for the Empire is to strangle China with a naval blockade and then balkanize the country when it is weakened enough, but this is impossible so long as Russia remains independent and trading with China. Because of this, the Empire must balkanize and control Russia first. It was assumed by the strategists for Empire that this would be easy, but they misjudged due to cognitive decline from eating their own feces… not smart of them to believe their own propaganda.
This is important because the Empire cannot disengage from its conflict with Russia. It is flat out impossible. It is rapidly running out of time to go kinetic with China and it needs China blocked on the continental side before anything the US military does can have an impact.
The crisis in the US is getting acute. The average plebe on the street might miss it, but Trump isn’t joking when he says America is going down. People in positions to have the high-level overview of western economies can see the deterioration. Elon Musk, for instance, openly states the reason he is involved in politics currently is because on the current trajectory, the West will not be healthy enough to support his efforts to go to Mars. He needs to try and stabilize things so the current world order lasts another decade, meaning he doesn’t see it lasting that long right now.
(Aside: Musk is a true believer of the urgent necessity of making humanity a “multi-planet species. It doesn’t matter if that is impossible in the short term, as anyone with even rudimentary Marxist analysis skills can point out. What matters is that Musk believes it and is acting on it.)
The US has to take on China. It has no alternative. Musk needs to delay blowing up civilization for at least another decade for his own interests, and Trump thinks he can turn Russia to the Dark Side with bribes and sweet talk. Plan: eliminate all sanctions – except those needed by domestic American businesses – and even giving Russia “most favored nation” trade status, and perhaps even making Russia the queen chess piece on the NATO side in the grand chessboard (would Putin refuse that if it meant turning on China?). A faction of the Empire’s oligarchy now know they cannot defeat Russia militarily and would like to make the Russians the Empire’s top attack dogs. If you cannot beat your adversary, and they can be useful to you, then the next move by gangsters is to try to buy them off.
The US cannot disengage with Russia in the Ukraine unless the Empire switches to Trump’s “Plan B”. The Russians might go for that, but hopefully only with the sincerity that the West embraced Minsk II with.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 2 2024 21:26 utc | 162

Until the US’s own mounting problems including financial, social and political division or whatever cause it to fall back into itself, the only peace in the world will be that described by Thomas Jefferson: “Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everyone is standing around reloading”

Posted by: Saul Goode | Nov 2 2024 21:29 utc | 163

To #137, 138, UWDude, you say Trump might work “a web of deals” to bring oil price down. His alleged “deal making” prowess proved non-existent. Trump was powerless during his entire 4 years in office and happily engaged in “webs of surrender,” such as in April 2017 when he voluntarily surrendered his military decision-making to “his generals” and the Pentagon. In March 2020 Trump surrendered the US Constitution and due process with the excuse of a virus, something it was once thought could only have happened by foreign invasion, ceding control of entire US government to Dr. Birx. Jared chaired 3x weekly “Covid Huddle” meetings to ensure all narratives aligned w. Birx.

Posted by: susan mullen | Nov 2 2024 21:45 utc | 164

Trump is unlikely to win the election because right now, the entire world is exasperated by Biden’s genocide, which Trump will immediately make much, much worse.
Powerless Americans may be but not stupid . Trump will simply declare that Gaza and the West Bank and south Lebanon rightly belong to Israel like last time. Civil war will follow.
With Harris, the same policies which are leading to Israel’s destruction will continue. Do Not Eat DoNuTs. They are bad for you.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 2 2024 21:53 utc | 165

re steven t johnson | Nov 2 2024 17:56 utc | 67
Once again the bar’s resident trot talks as if Russian politicians are living in 1924 rather than 2024 when he queries why Putin didn’t accurately separate the situation into “who are the fascists Vs who are the communists”.
The reason Russia got involved in 2022 and not 2014 was that by 2022 it became apparent that the equipping of the ukieland army had proceeded so far that the build up of troops by the ukies on the borders of Donetsk & Luhansk meant that without Russia’s intercession both of these independent states would be defeated and that would cause Putin & his party to lose the next election.
This was a purely pragmatic response just as the decision to grab Crimea back in 2014 was.
It wasn’t at all clear to the RF Government in 2014 that A) the Ukies could successfully confront the breakaway states and B) that Russia could win a war over them as there was uncertainty about whether other euro nations would supply troops to assist the ukies.
All johnson has revealed is that like so many other amerikans he imagines that the RF is still ruled by a socialist administration despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This desire to live in the past by trots & their fellow travelers in the revolutionary communist party et al is why young people reject their stale, worn out blandishments and those young ‘uns who are socialists prefer to begin a move to socialism without the old baggage especially the ill-concealed zionism inherent to the likes of johnson.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 2 2024 21:53 utc | 166

Posted by: susan mullen | Nov 2 2024 21:45 utc | 163
I dont vote, so you dont have to try and convince me of anything.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 2 2024 21:54 utc | 167

Zargo @ Nov 2 2024 13:41 utc | 6
The problems with Russia winning started when Russia didn’t stop after conquering Berlin.
All of D-Day and the rush after were only there to stop Russia from taking over all of Europe.
A francorussian border would have made for an interesting timeline along Robert Harris/Fatherland lines. Imagine Operation Paperclip hadn’t happened.
TG @ Nov 2 2024 14:09 utc | 12

If the West had given Ukraine everything it had back in 2022 when Russia was on the back foot, Russia might have had a LOT of problems

Problems maybe but not serious ones – Russia is vast, no way Ukraine could have penetrated deep enough to stay. Deep enough to hurt but the response on Russian soil would have been an entirely different one.
LoveDonbass @ Nov 2 2024 15:36 utc | 31
I don’t think Iran can project anything to the US or Israel at any point – these entities are caught up in their own narratives snd driven by their own exigencies. US foreign policy is a rabid dog though, there is no sane brinkmanship or escalation – at any poit USA may consider it prudent to clobber some country, maybe they are even insane enough to use nukes if the national narcicissm is sufficiently wounded. No one wants to volunetter for this and Iran would be well advised not to do so. Sacrificing Iraq as a proxy might both free Iraq from the US yoke and punish them for not resisting overflight by Israel so that might be a win-win.
Ahenobarbus @ Nov 2 2024 15:39 utc | 33
While true and obvious this doesn’t help with the narrative nor sell to patriots.
paddy @ Nov 2 2024 15:56 utc | 38
Attrition is great as long as the conflict seems winnable to Western elites. Bleed the bully but don’t get clobbered.
The Resistance has understood the weak spots and found a strategy to exploits it.
Once a certain threshold is reached, the “defect first, defect best” game will start – if it hasn’t already.
Mike R @ Nov 2 2024 14:05 utc | 11
The whole point of signaling in NYT is that all the fools look equally foolish at the same time.
Following the narrative shields each individual from responsibility.
Roger Boyd @ Nov 2 2024 20:06 utc | 129
If Russia truly learned the lesson that the West is not capable of agreement, the end date is infinity.
There will not be negotiation as there was none after WW2. Russia can only erode the West and humiliate it until deterrence is established.
In terms of timeframe that takes an entire generation of Neocons to die out and the will to fight to be lost in the USA.
I don’t think USA will have the appetite for a total war anytime soon but I may be wrong. I think the USA will break first, there are a lot of fracture lines showing, too many to go into detail.
UWDude @ Nov 2 2024 20:35 utc | 138

Likely, Trump will first try a web of deals to bring the price of oil way down.

Good luck with that after the strategic reserve got depleted with rising inflation and interest and the Saudi no longer trading in USD.
Yesterday’s recipes don’t work any more.
Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @ Nov 2 2024 20:36 utc | 140
Guess the war will go on a little longer than we expect, plenty of people to enlist.
Minus the sex prostitutes and IT prostitues so Germany agrees to the deal.
Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @ Nov 2 2024 21:01 utc | 149
Still a win for the US, they know EU will not stay vassals much longer, so why not spend that coin?
As “near peers” go, Europe is still one of them. This debacle will sow resentment for another three generations so what’s not to like?

Posted by: SOS | Nov 2 2024 21:56 utc | 168

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 2 2024 19:36 utc | 124
LOL Haven’t we all learned our lesson by now? Hope and Change.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9X4Z1lLUMfw
No, none of that will happen IF Trump wins. Maybe RFK, maybe.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 2 2024 21:59 utc | 169

Heck, the British Army is even still struggling to get hold of camouflage paint to repaint vehicles and equipment still in desert theatre livery; this has been going on since at least Spring 2024
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 2 2024 21:01 utc | 149
Sources, please. Do they buy spray cans that paint a camouflage pattern?

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 2 2024 22:01 utc | 170

In the Rogan interview, Trump said he told Putin “dont you dare etc”, then he threw in a little bit.. “Putin could not anyway, because oil was only $40 a barrel”.
Likely, Trump will first try a web of deals to bring the price of oil way down.
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 2 2024 20:35 utc | 138
The tax payer money myth. Putin’s exports funds Putin’s war propaganda. Load of old nonsense. This is the truth
HERE:
https://new-wayland.com/blog/the-unreasonable-ineffectiveness-of-sanctions-on-russia/
Why of course the sanctions didn’t work.
What Trump was talking about with Joe Rogan is the ” art of the deal “. The threat has to be so terrible that whoever receives the threat only has to believe the threat 10%.
Trump has stated this many times. He’s a bluffer.
He doesn’t intend to carry out the threat but as long as they believe he is, he can cut a deal.Exactly what he told Rogan about John Bolton and why it was good having him around.
Russia and China know this, that he is a bluffer. They just need to call him out on it once. His arse will fold quicker than a cheap tent.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 2 2024 22:01 utc | 171

Good luck with that after the strategic reserve got depleted with rising inflation and interest and the Saudi no longer trading in USD.
Yesterday’s recipes don’t work any more.
Posted by: SOS | Nov 2 2024 21:56 utc | 167
I agree. Also, a war with Iran would not help either, which may be the big reason US is trying to stop it from happening. I have known since 1999 that all US foreign policy was actually stabbing at Russia.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 2 2024 22:02 utc | 172

131- North Koreans have long been bogeymen. When Zimbabwe was formed after white Rhodesian rule ended, the Mugabe government quelled unrest on the part of Ndebele in the west of the country, and the “North Korean-trained Fifth Brigade” was held responsible for brutality. Whether they were particularly brutal or not I don’t know, and if they were I don’t think they would have needed North Koreans to teach them how, but the North Korean connection was often mentioned in the British media circa 1980-81.

Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 2 2024 22:04 utc | 173

“Sure seems like after the election both parties are for replacing Zelensky with Zaluzhny”
| 49

Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 2 2024 22:07 utc | 174

To #161, “Trump’s not joking?” Absolutely no one cares what Don says or does–whether on the campaign trail or in office. Are you aware that Trump was already president for 4 years and proved to be a colossal joke? You cite Trump’s “Plan B” for Russia. In August 2017 Congress formally removed Trump from all Russia matters and assigned them to the Senate. The whole world saw Trump was a powerless wimp. Medvedev even commented at the time that Trump had been humiliated, rendered powerless so that his administration would be unable to have a relationship with Russia. Of course when Don bombed Syria for no reason in April 2017 he used his microphone to sharply criticize Russia without evidence and “warned” Russia not to help Syria or they’d face repercussions from US. By August 2017 Trump should’ve resigned. If you can’t carry out promises you made to get a job, such as a wall on day one or normalization of relations with Russia–for whatever reason–you resign and move on.

Posted by: susan mullen | Nov 2 2024 22:09 utc | 175

Posted by: Teddy Salad | Nov 2 2024 16:56 utc | 49
“Sure seems like after the election both parties are for replacing Zelensky with Zaluzhny”
I have not seen anything suggesting that the Trump team plans to keep the war going. Would you care to share your sources?

Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 2 2024 22:12 utc | 176

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 2 2024 22:01 utc | 169
My “sources” were insiders at Warminster Camp in the English county of Wiltshire. It’s about 20-25 minutes away from me, with some decent country pubs en route. They are thoroughly disillusioned with the policy, attitude and incompetence of the British Ministry of Defence.
Anyone suggesting that “we” (as in the UK) are going to war with Russia is met with a hollow laugh, though this will not appear in the likes of the Daily Express, Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph, which kind of links back to b’s topic.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 2 2024 22:17 utc | 177

Trump threatened North Korea with complete destruction. Afterwards he said..
” Kim Jong Un only had to believe 10% of what I saying. I got the deal. ”
He’s a bluffer at high stakes poker. He had no intention of destroying North Korea.
Art of the deal. Until Russia or China call his bluff.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 2 2024 22:19 utc | 178

Posted by: Ciaran | Nov 2 2024 18:32 utc | 86
I’ll ignore the scold at #87 since this O/T tangent is short and nobody else is interested.
10-pt buck: That one was wild. I was in a ground level blind with one of my dogs kind of taking a break from the hunt. Blind had a short-ish rope ‘gate’ to keep the dogs in if needed. We had used some scent by a company called Jackie’s here in the US. Whitetail buck sauntered up while I wasn’t looking and right up to the door. I grabbed it by the horns and jumped over the rope and wrestled it face-first into the ground and was holding it trying to figure out what I was going to do next. Dog must’ve jumped the little gate and grabbed it by the neck. After about 15 seconds it just gave up and died. I think heart attack due to sheer surprise and fear. Dog drew very little blood and it was clamped on the back of its neck which would make it hard to attribute that to COD.
Whitetail doe: Different time, different dog caught it in the corner of a thicket and did most of the work tiring it out. I came upon the scene and slit its throat.
Hope this didn’t need a trigger warning for anyone.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 2 2024 22:24 utc | 179

https://x.com/BrentHBaker/status/1852343512156520799
For those nauseous at msm lies, a bit of wry amusement.
Today the WaPo lies became even too bilious for… WaPo.
A WaPo Talking Head had a hissy fit live and rage quite mid piece.
The whole segment then fell over with tech troubles … and the ensuing farce is worth the few minutes to savour.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 2 2024 22:24 utc | 180

which may be the big reason US is trying to stop it from happening. I have known since 1999 that all US foreign policy was actually stabbing at Russia.
Posted by: UWDude | Nov 2 2024 22:02 utc | 171
p.s. I really don’t buy the US is trying to stop a war with Iran, but it is a possibility.

Posted by: UWDude | Nov 2 2024 22:28 utc | 181