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November 16, 2024
English Outsider On Trump’s Cabinet Of Curiosities And How Little It Matters

Referring to Judge Napolitano discussion with Col Lawrence Wilkerson about Trump and the Defense Department (video) English Outsider writes:

"Yes, the man all hoped would give the quietus to the neocons seems to be appointing neocons himself.

Mercouris has made some valuable preliminary observations on the subject of Trump's appointees so far. Risking paraphrasing him (the reference is to his video of a couple of days back), he considers that these appointments are made mainly to ensure Trump has in place those loyal to him, that consideration over-riding any question of whatever foreign policy stance the prospective nominees may hold.

As said, these are preliminary or tentative conclusions arrived at by Mercouris but I believe they make very good sense. Following on from Mercouris' conclusions are I believe further conclusions on the subject of these somewhat hawkish proposed nominees.

1. It no longer matters what US foreign policy is with respect to Ukraine and maybe with respect to the ME.

The Russians are going to get their "demilitarisation and denazification" in Ukraine whatever the West does or attempts. That has long been apparent and is now apparent to all. So the views of the Trump nominees on Ukraine, and the views of Trump himself on Ukraine, no longer matter when it comes to changing facts on the ground.

Similarly in the ME, whether the appointees are Israel Firsters or not also no longer matters. It looks as if Israel is heading for defeat, but whether it is so or not the outcome can't be altered by the US. Neither Biden nor Trump are going to authorise open and declared war on behalf of Israel and if they did, it's doubtful that American military power is sufficient to change that outcome.

In addition, open and active war against Iran, for instance, would lead to an increase in oil prices and to significant damage to American ships and bases. That is not something Biden has been prepared to risk so far and Trump even less: it would damage his credibility were he to open his Presidency with a major war having given the impression, in his election campaign, that he was opposed to one.

So there's nothing much the US or the West as a whole can do to alter the outcome either of the Ukrainian war or of the conflict in the ME. I haven't read "The Art of the Deal" but I'm sure that Trump recognises that when you sit down to play, the first priority is to recognise the strength of your own hand. Whatever the US hawks may believe, the Pentagon will know that in either case we in the West hold no aces.

2. Given that military impotence the US politicians can follow the example of the Europeans. They can make what threats they please knowing they will not risk putting those threats into practice. We've seen Macron threatening French boots on the ground knowing he's never going to declare war on Russia. We see Scholz and Starmer still impeccably resolute, knowing they will never be at risk of having to back up words with deeds. Now we will see US politicians – have in fact been seeing them for some time – doing the same.

But it's not all sound and fury signifying nothing. In the case of the ME the American politicians have to bear in mind the strength of the voting bloc made up of the Evangelicals, Christian Zionists, Mormons and the various religious sects for who Israel First is an article of faith. That voting bloc is large, in the tens of millions. It was not one Biden wished to offend. It was a necessary component in the portion of the electorate that carried Trump to victory. They need the rhetoric even if the reality falls short of their expectations. By proposing Israel Firsters, and vociferous Israel Firsters at that, Trump has given them that rhetoric.

3. After the defeat in Ukraine, and what looks very likely to be defeat in the ME, the first priority of the politicians will be to save face.

The UK politicians, as we see have seen in the UK press, have their alibi ready for Ukraine. "We would have won had the Americans not let us down. They should have permitted deep strikes. They should have put boots on the ground. They should have threatened nuclear". That alibi ignores the fact that none of those courses would have been practicable. But it will probably serve and most of the UK electorate will be content with it.

No doubt such alibis will be coming out of Europe. It is essential for Trump to have a similar alibi. None can say whether the war will end before Trump's inauguration but if it doesn't, if it's the Trump administration that has to confess defeat, the Democrats will undoubtedly attempt to lay the blame for that defeat at his door. By proposing hawks and thus adopting hawkish rhetoric, Trump will be able to avoid that reproach.

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Are those fair conclusions to draw from Mercouris' observation? Pretty squalid conclusions, if so, but then that's politics. But for me, my judgement of the success of the Trump Presidency will be on quite other grounds. I stated that judgement on Colonel Lang's old site and state it here:

This final stage of the Ukrainian war is leading to quite appalling casualties. The genocide in the ME is not only a tragedy for those suffering. It is an ineradicable stain on Western civilisation and future generations will look back in horror at what we supported and often encouraged.

Trump's Presidency will be judged not by the success of his internal reforms. It will be judged by the extent to which he managed, even before his inauguration, to bring these horrors to an end."

Comments

Which courts.
Please name actual cases and courts.
Posted by: Jane | Nov 17 2024 23:13 utc | 398
You keep providing evidence that you have been asleep for four years or in a coma. Or maybe you’re lost in a bubble of make-believe about what happened in 2020. Get your head out of la la land and do your own research. It is obvious until you confront the facts for yourself you will be eternally lost in delusion.
Here’s a hint: don’t bother looking for court cases (or any other evidence) in any states other than WI, PA or GA. None of the other states matter. If you find no evidence that changes the results in those 3 states its Game Over for your fairy tale story about what happened in the 2020 election. There were around 50 cases filed in those 3 states by Trump and his supporters. At least they knew where to look for evidence. They knew the 10 million extra votes in the other states did not have any affect on who won.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 17 2024 23:51 utc | 401

Confuses electoral college results and states won, the popular vote, examining evidence of possible ballot stuffing/harvesting, and “changing the results.”
Posted by: Jane | Nov 17 2024 23:24 utc | 399
That’s a pretty nice and complete summation of your confusion.
I could not have said it better.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 17 2024 23:56 utc | 402

Currently there is an effort underway to steal the PA Senate seat won by a Republican, they have openly decided to count illegal ballots, that was enough to get the democratic Senate candidate to within .5 percentage points to trigger an automatic recount and allow more time for further efforts to occur.
https://x.com/Meuser4Congress/status/1857523899677945999

Posted by: Spark | Nov 18 2024 0:10 utc | 403

There were around 50 cases filed in those 3 states by Trump and his supporters. At least they knew where to look for evidence. They knew the 10 million extra votes in the other states did not have any affect on who won.
Posted by: jinn | Nov 17 2024 23:51 utc | 401
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Again you manifest your confusion as to evidence of fraud and the number of votes cast, and where.
As for cases Trump “filed,” as I said before, list cases actually accepted and adjudicated—not rejected by courts for lack of “standing.” By case name and number.
I remember very well the events of election night 2020, so you can pack your oh-so-clever “coma” nonsense in the bottom of your lamp.
Particularly after a MoA commenter reminded the commentariat of all the anomalous events of that night in swing states and elsewhere.
Go back and read the “graph” thread. And then list those 50 court cases that heard evidence of election fraud.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 18 2024 1:25 utc | 404

I disagree.
The smart Americans voted for Trump, to provide a clear-cut result that could not be administered the mail-in massage.
Posted by: Jane | Nov 16 2024 18:48 utc | 82
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One problem, why would I not vote for one avowed genocider, only to vote for another?
Posted by: Ed | Nov 16 2024 19:09 utc | 97
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Total non sequitur.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 18 2024 1:35 utc | 405

If they<,b> get what they want, why would they expose their hand?
Posted by: Ed | Nov 16 2024 19:02 utc | 91
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Unh, who is “they” . . . ?

Posted by: Jane | Nov 18 2024 1:37 utc | 406

That’s a pretty nice and complete summation of your confusion.
I could not have said it better.
Posted by: jinn | Nov 17 2024 23:56 utc | 402
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Nice try, but no cigar.
If you don’t like the premise of the graph posted by B showing total numbers of voters in each party in the 4 previous presidential elections, take it up with him.
Moving on now.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 18 2024 1:40 utc | 407

@Jane | Sun, 17 Nov 2024 23:13:00 GMT | 398

Which courts.
Please name actual cases and courts.

Here’s a few:
https://electioncases.osu.edu/case/trump-v-biden/
https://electioncases.osu.edu/case/king-v-whitmer/
https://electioncases.osu.edu/case/ward-v-jackson/
https://electioncases.osu.edu/case/wood-v-raffensperger/
https://electioncases.osu.edu/case/bowyer-v-ducey/
Take a few weeks and look through those before commenting again on “electoral fraud.”

Posted by: James M. | Nov 18 2024 3:57 utc | 408

Posted by: ockham | Nov 16 2024 18:45 utc | 80
This morning Mercouris plus Glenn had a Russian guest – the one who was interviewing Putin in Sochi- and one of his interesting comparisons was that the US ends its wars simply by leaving and not talking about why or what benefit it was in the first place; whereas Russia knows what the benefit will be in Ukraine. It will be that they win. As he says, all Russians know this.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2024 5:21 utc | 409

Since the ruling class has been angling to dismantle the New Deal since 1970 they are outraged that the developing world, over which they thought patronage was imposed after ww2, has effectively begun imposing its own New Deal with Russo-Chinese help. Let’s call this BRICS for short.
Patroklos at Nov 16 2024 23:41 utc |206
Very nice, Patroklos! BRICS does remind me of a Rooseveltian tactic, that of throwing lots of stuff against a wall and seeing what sticks. That has been successful as far as social security has lasted, and perhaps also the UN as it is being made use of still and could regain the reputation it has had if and when things get sorted out. I am remembering also that Lincoln had a cabinet of people who had different points of view (though I’m sorry I can’t name any of them) and so did Kennedy. It’s at least a very different one from Trump’s first term, younger team as well.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2024 5:51 utc | 410

Since the ruling class has been angling to dismantle the New Deal since 1970 they are outraged that the developing world, over which they thought patronage was imposed after ww2, has effectively begun imposing its own New Deal with Russo-Chinese help. Let’s call this BRICS for short.
Patroklos at Nov 16 2024 23:41 utc |206
Very nice, Patroklos! BRICS does remind me of a Rooseveltian tactic, that of throwing lots of stuff against a wall and seeing what sticks. That has been successful as far as social security has lasted, and perhaps also the UN as it is being made use of still and could regain the reputation it has had if and when things get sorted out. I am remembering also that Lincoln had a cabinet of people who had different points of view (though I’m sorry I can’t name any of them) and so did Kennedy. It’s at least a very different one from Trump’s first term, younger team as well.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2024 5:52 utc | 411

Posted by: mk | Nov 17 2024 10:30 utc | 326
Thank you, mk. This was a focal point of discussion here (the labs in Ukraine which Russia paid attention to) that Peter AU did a lot of good research on early in the SMO.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2024 6:09 utc | 412

Mercouris is a Greek who acquired a British Passport.
He is not, and never can be English.

Posted by: Bilejones | Nov 18 2024 10:04 utc | 413

“One problem, why would I not vote for one avowed genocider, only to vote for another?”
Posted by: Ed | Nov 16 2024 19:09 utc | 97
Because you are a clever troll.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 18 2024 10:54 utc | 414

@193
“Ukraine never had a chance against Russia without direct military action by the West.”
They never had a chance against Russia with direct military action by the west either.

Posted by: Fred777 | Nov 18 2024 11:29 utc | 415

Juliana @ 410
I agree with your comment here. PeterAU1 did a lot of good work on that subject and many many others.
We can only hope he is recovering from his health issues.
It was sad as it always is to see his drink problem get the better of him, affecting his personality by drink related aggression, goaded and provoked by @ gruffs trolling him using fake names. And shortly before he dispeared @ cannock encoraging his demise by an entire thread on faverout largers and beers. Not for the fist time, wine and spirites discused here before.
Alcaholics need tough love, not sycophants supporting ther drinking as fake freands.
I hope you agree 👀

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 18 2024 12:32 utc | 416

Typo…. Juliania

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 18 2024 12:36 utc | 417

Trump is a broke ass grifter. His dumbass marks are broker.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 16 2024 19:12 utc | 99
You have gone FULL RETARD.

Posted by: Screwdriver | Nov 18 2024 13:13 utc | 418

You have gone FULL RETARD.
Posted by: Screwdriver | Nov 18 2024 13:13 utc | 418

The perfect Telegraph article has now been published

Trump gives RFK Jr McDonald’s ‘poison’ to eat on private plane
Next US health secretary forced to grin and bear it after previously criticising the president-elect’s ‘really bad’ diet

Every politician faces a moment when they must choose between their dearest-held principles and their career.
For Robert F Kennedy Jr it came in the form of a Big Mac, served to him on board Donald Trump’s private plane.
The scion of the Kennedy family has spent decades railing against McDonald’s as the epitome of the fast-food turning America into a nation of obese, unhappy people.
He had referred to the food on Mr Trump’s private jet, Trump Force One, as “poison” just days before he was tapped to become America’s next health secretary.
But on Saturday night he was pictured with a forced grin on his face, apparently about to tuck into a burger, fries and a Coca-Cola.
Donald Trump Jr, seated to his right, joked after the image was broadcast around the world that Mr Kennedy Jr’s mission to “make America healthy again” would have to wait until “tomorrow”.
with funny pictures ==> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/17/trump-rfk-jr-mcdonalds-poison-plane-kfc/

Bon Appétit !

Posted by: too scents | Nov 18 2024 13:22 utc | 419

If you don’t like the premise of the graph posted by B showing total numbers of voters in each party in the 4 previous presidential elections, take it up with him.
Posted by: Jane | Nov 18 2024 1:40 utc | 407
Stop being so desperately dishonest. A graph does not have any premise and the graph you are referring to does not show “total numbers of voters in each party”. What it shows for the last 3 elections is the votes for Trump and the votes for Not-Trump.
Clinton was a lousy Not-Trump candidate. As much as voters hated Trump they hated Clinton even more, nevertheless the result was Trump beat Not-Trump by only a slim margin in just 3 states.
In 2020 Biden was selected because he was presented as the best possible Not-Trump candidate. In the primaries voters were told Biden would garner the most votes from independents and Republicans who wanted to vote Not-Trump. That prediction turned out to be correct. Not-Trump beat Trump by a margin of less than 0.1% of the total US vote in the 3 states that decided the election. Those are the relevant facts. The 10 million votes that you are pointing to on a graph is not evidence of anything that is relevant to how the winner was decided. The evidence from looking at the other votes on the ballot make it crystal clear that in 2020 Not-Trump did indeed get just barely enough votes from Republicans and independents who voted Republican for other offices on the same ballot. Its a fact that Trump got fewer votes than down-ballot Reps and Not-Trump got more votes than down-ballot Dems. Trump lost in 2020 because the voters that tended to vote for Republicans either did not vote for Trump or voted for Not-Trump.
In 2024 we now know that there were about 400K more votes cast than in 2020, in the 3 states, that decided the election. Notice: the relevant facts contradict the graph you are so fond of. There was no drop-off of votes in 2024 in the states that mattered. That doesn’t mean the graph is wrong it just means the graph does not show anything that is relevant to the actual outcome of the elections.
Comparing 2020 to 2024, there was no spike in Not-Trump votes in the 3 states that decided both of those elections. The Not-Trump votes stayed almost exactly the same but the Trump votes increased by about 400K.
If this were a case before a court of law, the court would look at the facts and would determine which facts are relevant to the case being presented. Facts that are not relevant would be excluded. This is why your case would never fly in any court. No court is going to stand for all the irrelevant nonsense that you get away with spewing on the internet. A judge will understand that 10 million votes in states where those votes don’t change the electoral count are not evidence of a stolen election.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 18 2024 14:15 utc | 420

159 When you look at today’s Trotskyites, the old charges of Trotskyites working with fascists don’t seem quite as obviously impossible as they’re supposed to.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 16 2024 23:20 utc | 199
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Exactly which pretender to the status of representative of the Fourth International are you taking a cheap shot at there?

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 18 2024 15:43 utc | 421

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 18 2024 15:43 utc | 421 I’ll tell you after you tell me when you stopped beating your wife.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 18 2024 15:50 utc | 422

Posted by: jinn | Nov 18 2024 14:15 utc | 420 ” As much as voters hated Trump they hated Clinton even more, nevertheless the result was Trump beat Not-Trump by only a slim margin in just 3 states.” The point, I think, is not that Trump won the vote—he didn’t. The point is that he only won the Electoral College by a slim margin in those states. I would add that this fluke could not be honestly understood as the American people turning against [insert Trumper target] much less a mandate for counterrevolution. Also, the need to pretend the 2020 election was “stolen” somehow is about claiming a fictional majority. As ever, Trump had a predecessor here: Nixon’s Silent Majority.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 18 2024 15:59 utc | 423

after you tell me when you stopped beating your wife.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 18 2024 15:50 utc | 422
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I should have asked simply how you define “Trotskyite.” The term has been tossed around lately quite a lot in reference to certain neocons – less as a criticism of them than as a criticism of socialism.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 19 2024 9:36 utc | 424

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 19 2024 9:36 utc | 424 Personally I think the wild use of “neocon” common to so much of MoA commentariat is absurd, verging on being code for Jew. My presumption is that being an ex-anything is a marker of becoming something different, barring actual evidence to the contrary. Insofar as there is any continuity between ex-Trotskyite neocons and their previous Trotskyism, it’s the unremitting hostility to actually existing socialism, so far as I know.
My understanding of “Trotskyite” is someone who uses Trotsky to justify a supposedly pure, inevitably victorious, form of socialism that makes opposition to “Stalinism” and actually existing socialism the open or covert first priority in their practice (and program usually,) subordinating the fight against capitalism/imperialism. Typically they have some ideal form of socialism, irrelevant to their practice, formally enshrined in their official program, operating as ideological justification. A verbal “transitional program” is commonly an imaginary opposition to capitalism/imperialism, but it functions as a superficially left cover for functional indifference to fascism in Ukrain. Other symptoms are espousal of revolutionary unionism to cover opposing trade unions. There may even be programmatic capitulation to anarchist “thinking,” as in demanding the state wither away before imperialism is defeated. WSWS is the most prominent manifestation I am familiar with. But the whole crew of formations that demanded the overthrow of socialism in the USSR in the name of the world revolution are classc examples, to my mind. Other formations like WWP or PSL are notable precisely because they are routinely condemned as deviant by the orthodox Trotskyites.
And my apologies for the snark: Without any understanding of what you mean by true upholders of Trotskyism, your question came across as a loaded question, as insincere as the classic joke I responded with. My apologies for the lengthy reply, but after the courtesy of clarifying your question, it felt proper to return the favor.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 19 2024 17:54 utc | 425

I post this video of “Middle East Eye” once more.
David Hearst (Middle East Eye):
“Trump’s cabinet is a recipe for all-out Middle East war”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoBalmuWf0A

Posted by: WMG | Nov 20 2024 1:59 utc | 426