Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 16, 2024
English Outsider On Trump’s Cabinet Of Curiosities And How Little It Matters

Referring to Judge Napolitano discussion with Col Lawrence Wilkerson about Trump and the Defense Department (video) English Outsider writes:

"Yes, the man all hoped would give the quietus to the neocons seems to be appointing neocons himself.

Mercouris has made some valuable preliminary observations on the subject of Trump's appointees so far. Risking paraphrasing him (the reference is to his video of a couple of days back), he considers that these appointments are made mainly to ensure Trump has in place those loyal to him, that consideration over-riding any question of whatever foreign policy stance the prospective nominees may hold.

As said, these are preliminary or tentative conclusions arrived at by Mercouris but I believe they make very good sense. Following on from Mercouris' conclusions are I believe further conclusions on the subject of these somewhat hawkish proposed nominees.

1. It no longer matters what US foreign policy is with respect to Ukraine and maybe with respect to the ME.

The Russians are going to get their "demilitarisation and denazification" in Ukraine whatever the West does or attempts. That has long been apparent and is now apparent to all. So the views of the Trump nominees on Ukraine, and the views of Trump himself on Ukraine, no longer matter when it comes to changing facts on the ground.

Similarly in the ME, whether the appointees are Israel Firsters or not also no longer matters. It looks as if Israel is heading for defeat, but whether it is so or not the outcome can't be altered by the US. Neither Biden nor Trump are going to authorise open and declared war on behalf of Israel and if they did, it's doubtful that American military power is sufficient to change that outcome.

In addition, open and active war against Iran, for instance, would lead to an increase in oil prices and to significant damage to American ships and bases. That is not something Biden has been prepared to risk so far and Trump even less: it would damage his credibility were he to open his Presidency with a major war having given the impression, in his election campaign, that he was opposed to one.

So there's nothing much the US or the West as a whole can do to alter the outcome either of the Ukrainian war or of the conflict in the ME. I haven't read "The Art of the Deal" but I'm sure that Trump recognises that when you sit down to play, the first priority is to recognise the strength of your own hand. Whatever the US hawks may believe, the Pentagon will know that in either case we in the West hold no aces.

2. Given that military impotence the US politicians can follow the example of the Europeans. They can make what threats they please knowing they will not risk putting those threats into practice. We've seen Macron threatening French boots on the ground knowing he's never going to declare war on Russia. We see Scholz and Starmer still impeccably resolute, knowing they will never be at risk of having to back up words with deeds. Now we will see US politicians – have in fact been seeing them for some time – doing the same.

But it's not all sound and fury signifying nothing. In the case of the ME the American politicians have to bear in mind the strength of the voting bloc made up of the Evangelicals, Christian Zionists, Mormons and the various religious sects for who Israel First is an article of faith. That voting bloc is large, in the tens of millions. It was not one Biden wished to offend. It was a necessary component in the portion of the electorate that carried Trump to victory. They need the rhetoric even if the reality falls short of their expectations. By proposing Israel Firsters, and vociferous Israel Firsters at that, Trump has given them that rhetoric.

3. After the defeat in Ukraine, and what looks very likely to be defeat in the ME, the first priority of the politicians will be to save face.

The UK politicians, as we see have seen in the UK press, have their alibi ready for Ukraine. "We would have won had the Americans not let us down. They should have permitted deep strikes. They should have put boots on the ground. They should have threatened nuclear". That alibi ignores the fact that none of those courses would have been practicable. But it will probably serve and most of the UK electorate will be content with it.

No doubt such alibis will be coming out of Europe. It is essential for Trump to have a similar alibi. None can say whether the war will end before Trump's inauguration but if it doesn't, if it's the Trump administration that has to confess defeat, the Democrats will undoubtedly attempt to lay the blame for that defeat at his door. By proposing hawks and thus adopting hawkish rhetoric, Trump will be able to avoid that reproach.

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Are those fair conclusions to draw from Mercouris' observation? Pretty squalid conclusions, if so, but then that's politics. But for me, my judgement of the success of the Trump Presidency will be on quite other grounds. I stated that judgement on Colonel Lang's old site and state it here:

This final stage of the Ukrainian war is leading to quite appalling casualties. The genocide in the ME is not only a tragedy for those suffering. It is an ineradicable stain on Western civilisation and future generations will look back in horror at what we supported and often encouraged.

Trump's Presidency will be judged not by the success of his internal reforms. It will be judged by the extent to which he managed, even before his inauguration, to bring these horrors to an end."

Comments

Dose this man look like a nazi banderite to you ? He sure dose to me.
https://www.wired.com/story/tom-homan-trump-border-czar-child-separation-policies/
If it walks like one talks like one and quacks like one it is one.
Will you follow that man ?
Will you follow his boss ?
2 weeks after the election, trump will never need your vote ever again.
He’s gone.
You bet the house on him.
Trump wants to sit at the big table, the lie’s he told you before the election now meen nothing.
From here on he’l do what the jews tell him to do. Maybe you will to.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 16 2024 23:29 utc | 201

There is a graph, featured here at MoA, that shows that there was a 10 mill spike in Dem votes in 2020 compared to 2016 and before.
The “spikulation” is that these extra 10 mill votes were “discovered” mail-in and other ballots and flipping that gave the 2020 victory to the Dems.
Posted by: Jane | Nov 16 2024 22:28 utc | 190
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Jane, there was also a “big” spike for Trump in 2020. The two spikes together seem to suggest that both parties were cheating, but Biden’s cheaters did a better job. You can understand why Trump was shocked and angry about losing. I wonder how much money was lost on the effort: We can only “spikulate.”

Posted by: Ed | Nov 16 2024 23:33 utc | 202

English Outsider-excellent post, thank you.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 16 2024 23:36 utc | 203

Posted by b on November 16, 2024 at 15:35 UTC | Permalink
This final stage of the Ukrainian war is leading to quite appalling casualties. The genocide in the ME is not only a tragedy for those suffering. It is an ineradicable stain on Western civilisation and future generations will look back in horror at what we supported and often encouraged.
Trump’s Presidency will be judged not by the success of his internal reforms. It will be judged by the extent to which he managed, even before his inauguration, to bring these horrors to an end.”
Posted by b on November 16, 2024 at 15:35 UTC | Permalink
Yeah. Yeah. Future generations, spare me please.
Most of the present generation of sentiment humans are already appalled at the ongoing horror at what the western world has instigated, supported and encouraged since (at least) 1945.As an introductory example I will mention the unnecessary human toll (genocide?) resulting from the carpet bombing of North Korea as retribution for the disastrous defeat of UN (aka US) forces at Chosin reservoir in November 1950 by the Chinese army. I suppose that could be considered a cost-effective way to use up the vast piles of surplus WW2 era bombs (cynicism and sarcasm here).
To add to this we have witnessed the Palestinian Nakba (from 1948 to present), the creation of ISIS by the western powers (including the Zionist entity) and the concomitant murders of (how many) civilians in cities such as Mosal (Iraq) and Raqqua (Syria), and there are many others. Of course the orchestrated ethnic cleansing and genocide of the inconvenient Palestinians is just an immediately relevant example of hypocrisy by the (so ethical) Western polity.
So far as Ukraine is concerned, commentators can beat the Trump tub as much as they like (and I sympathise somewhat), but Trump will not end that war unless RF are confident that it will not be shortly reignited by zealous western Russophobes. Putin and Trump may well play act a monumental peace agreement, but the substance of cessation of hostilities will be in accord with the initial goals of the SMO, plus substantial territory currently (administered?) by the Ukraine regime.
In precious comments I have opined that this will require a decisive military defeat of NATO and its proxies in Ukraine and (at minimum) the passing of cities of Odessa and Karkov into the new RF. I have not changed my opinion on this point.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Nov 16 2024 23:36 utc | 204

“@Old Woman #95
What too scents is, to me, is a credentialed type who sees his entire triumphant world view turned upside down because most Americans don’t agree with it.
This has been obvious to me for a long time.
Go back to the other thread on Trump where he spouts all sorts of utterly ludicrous nonsense attempting to say Trump is bad. Quite obvious cope.”
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:22 utc | 109
I , reluctantly, have to agree that too scents TDS real bad-but I still maintain on other subjects he is quite reasonable.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 16 2024 23:40 utc | 205

All this talk of defeat and ‘winning’ as though history were all so many games. The only struggle is the class struggle, and this is being played out across at least three frontiers in the way that historical capitalism has always sought to renew itself. Ruling classes get worried and then, when things don’t go their way, they get barbaric; gloves come off, masks dropped, veneers fall away, and a very ugly face (re-)appears. Don Bacon above is right: this war forming is against the proletariat—but which one?
There are a few: one is in China and Russia, lifted out of poverty by strong and powerful central governments. That war is directed against the state, which, for the western masses, is given the persona ‘authoritarian dictator’. This is mirrored by the war on the US state about to be waged by DOGE. Since the ruling class has been angling to dismantle the New Deal since 1970 they are outraged that the developing world, over which they thought patronage was imposed after ww2, has effectively begun imposing its own New Deal with Russo-Chinese help. Let’s call this BRICS for short.
Another proletariat is, of course, that of the west itself. Here the ruling class strategy is either rule directly (Democratic Party) or create the illusion (even better) that the ‘people’ rule themselves by encouraging their most socially reactionary prejudices and then giving them a leader who’ll respond. When the last vestiges of the state are then swept away or privatised it is easy to redirect proletarian anger by unleashing horror onto enemies ‘we prepared earlier’ (illegals, liberals, globohomo, etc), who, as with any good lie, are partly responsible, but only because they are symptomatic of the excesses of global capitalism for which the ruling classes are ultimately responsible. There are good precedents for this kind of tactic (Jim Crow and fascism in general).
Yet another shadow-proletariat is the one that dared rise above its station: western post-war middle classes. There is a slow motion inter-generational civil war amongst them (all civil wars are intra-elite conflicts), between the boomer middle class (they reaped all the post-war benefits and are debt-free) and their debt-ridden epigonoi, debt which is owned by the boomers. This latter conflict is not to be underestimated: inter-generational civil war is often the bitterest because it is so internecine, affecting families and communities directly. The sources of this conflict lie in fist-wave New Deal (real value redistribution, 1935-1970) and then the deregulation of credit that was imagined could simulate the New Deal without increasing taxation (fake value redistribution, 1970-1990). In both cases social democrats were behind it, well-meaning folks paving the road to hell. As Marx would say, if the New Deal was the tragedy (the boomers refuse to die, a Faustian catastrophe if ever there was), then the use of credit/debt to simulate wealth was the farce.
All the more so since now middle class status is entirely built on a lien on the future, which brings us back to the pressures that drive historical capitalism’s attempts to renew itself: new markets, new resource fields, Conquista 2.0 (Central Asia), 3.0 China, etc. It is no accident that parvenus were the most eager to strike out for these historically: from the sub-aristocracy of Iberia to the bourgeois founders of India Companies. Australia was the laboratory of such experiments. What we are seeing now is the beginning of the Civil War of Globalism, which, on he analogy of the US Civil War, is a war between an western elite/middle-class whose surplus is derived from the post-war order (let’s call it the ancien regime de modernité or, better still, the South), and an emerging Yankee elite (the BRICSocracy) whose stake is in manufacturing. The new Mason-Dixon line runs from the Finno-Russian border to the Suez Canal. And, as in the last civil war history does not smile on those who cling to the passing forces of production. Theirs is a lost cause. The USA will be the Mississipi of the world.

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 16 2024 23:41 utc | 206

Tend to agree with Gaius Baltar’s view that Trump simply represents another faction of the money elite, one that doesn’t like being subservient to Europe and want a stronger America, their home turf. As they don’t print a manifesto like the WEF, we will simply have to wait and see what they actually plan.
Should imagine as with all western politics that their plan primarily suits themselves, expect though some bones thrown to the domestic US economy. They however need not carry favour with the rest of the world, the wars may or may not continue, the vassalhood though will as profitable and for the enjoyment of power. Expect Trump at best will be the lesser of evils, albeit that is something.

Posted by: Organic | Nov 16 2024 23:51 utc | 207

NoName @ 199…
I came up with the theory on my own using the information available to me, which I can’t say I trust, because in reality one has to actually “be there” to know the actual facts regarding anything.
But when the dots from a picture, it’s hard not to see it.
As always, time will tell.
steven t johnson @ 198…
I’ve read that Hitler much admired America’s Manifest Destiny “tactic”. My brother says Adolph was surprised and disappointed that the USA didn’t enter the war on the German side.
😉

Posted by: A rope leash | Nov 16 2024 23:55 utc | 208

These are the words of Haile Selassie. For those that have ears to hear.
“Twenty-seven years ago as Emperor of Ethiopia I mounted the rostrum in Geneva Switzerland to address to the league of nations and appeal for relief from the destruction which had been unleashed against my defenceless nation by the fascist invaders.
I spoke then both to and for the conscience of the world. My words went unheeded, but history testifies to the accuracy of the warning that I gave in 1936. Today I stand before the world organization which has succeeded to the mantle discarded by its discredited predecessor and in this body is enshrined the principle of collective security which was unsuccessfully invoked at Geneva. Here in this assembly reposes the best, perhaps the last hope for the peaceful survival of mankind.
In 1936 I declared that it wasn’t the covenant of the league that was at stake but international morality. Undertakings, I said then, are little worth if the will to keep them is lacking. The charter of the United Nations expresses the noblest aspirations of man. Abjuration of force and the peaceful settlement of disputes between states. The assurance of human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction of race, sex, language, or religion. The safeguarding of international peace and security.
But these, too, as were the phrases of the Covenant, are only words and their value depends wholly on our will to observe and honour them and give them content and meaning. The preservation of peace and the guaranteeing of basic freedoms and rights require courage and eternal vigilance. Courage to speak and act and, if necessary, to suffer and die for truth and justice. Eternal vigilance and a complete transgression of international morality shall not go undetected and unremedied These lessons must be learned anew by each succeeding generation and that generation is fortunate indeed which learns from other than its own bitter experience.
Haile Selassie speech 1963
This organization and each of its members bear a crushing and awesome responsibility to absolve the wisdom of history and apply it to the problems of the present in order that future generations may be born and live and die in peace. Should we fail to achieve this goal we shall have condemned the coming generations to inherit the tragedy of our times.
I have lived too long to cherish many illusions about the essential high mindedness of men when brought into stark confrontation with the issue of control over their securities and their property interests. Not even now, when so much is at stake, would many nations willingly entrust their destinies to other hands. Yet this is the ultimatum presented to us. Secure the conditions whereby men will entrust their security to a larger entity or risk alienation. Persuade men that their salvation rests with the subordination of national and local interests to the interests of mankind or endanger man’s future. These are the objectives yesterday unattainable, today essential, which we must labour to achieve. Until this is accomplished mankind’s future remains hazardous and permanent peace a matter for speculation.
I would now like to mention briefly today, two particular issues. Disarmament and the establishment of true equality among men.
Disarmament has become the urgent imperative of our time. I do not say this because I believe that the absence of arms is tantamount to peace or because I believe that bringing an end the nuclear arms race automatically guarantees the peace or because the elimination of nuclear warheads from the arsenals of this world will bring in its wake that change in attitude required for a peaceful settlement of disputes between nations. Disarmament is vital today because of the immense destructive capacity which men now possess. Ever since the stone age, the production of arms has always been the source of man’s own destruction Even though the achievement of general and complete disarmament is time-consuming it is encouraging to note that great efforts have been devoted to its attainment. My country supports the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty as a step toward this goal even though it is only a partial step. The real significance of a treaty is that it admits of a tacit stalemate between the nations which have created it. A stalemate which recognizes the blunt and unavoidable fact that none would emerge from the total destruction which would be the lot of all in the event of a nuclear war. A stalemate which affords us and the United Nations the breathing space in which to act. The goal of the equality of man which we seek is the very antithesis of the exploitation of one people by another. About which the pages of history and particularly those written about the African and Asian continents speak at such length.
Until the philosophy Haile Selassie speech
Last May in Addis Ababa there was convened a meeting of heads of African States and governments for three days. The thirty-two nations presented at that conference demonstrated to the world that when the wills and the determination exist, nations, and peoples of various backgrounds can and will work together in unity in achievement of common goals in the assurance of that equality that we desire. Our past history has testified to the fact that we have always endeavoured to cooperate with all nations without exception. Thus one of the fundamental principles we have agreed upon at the Addis Ababa summit conference gives expression to our fundamental desire to live in harmony and cooperation with all states.
On the question of racial discrimination, the Addis Ababa Conference taught, to those who will learn, this further lesson:
that until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned;
that until there are no longer first class and second class citizens of any nation;
that until the color of a man’s skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes;
that until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race;
that until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained.
And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique and in South Africa in subhuman bondage have been toppled and destroyed;
until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and good-will;
until all Africans stand and speak as free beings, equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of Heaven;
until that day, the African continent will not know peace. We Africans will fight, if necessary, and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil.
The basis of racial discrimination and colonialism has been economic and it is with economic weapons that these evils have been and can be overcome. In pursuance of resolutions adopted at the Addis Ababa summit conference, African States have undertaken certain measures in the economic field which, if adopted by all member states of the United Nations, would soon reduce any intransigence to reason.
I ask today for adherence to these measures by every nation represented here which is truly indicative of principles enshrined within the treaty. I do not believe that Portugal or South Africa are prepared to commit economic or physical suicide if honourable or reasonable alternatives exist. I believe that such alternatives can be found. We must act while we can, while the occasion exists to exert those legitimate pressures available to us lest time run out and resort be had to less happy means. The great nations of the world would do well to remember that in the modern age even their own fate is not wholly in their own hands. Peace requires the united efforts of us all. Who can foresee what spark might ignite the fuse. The stakes are identical for all of us. Life or death. We all wish to live, we all seek a world in which men are freed of the burdens of ignorance, poverty, hunger and disease.
We shall all be hard-pressed to escape the deadly rain of nuclear fallout should catastrophe overtake us. The problems which confront us today are unprecedented; they have no counterpart in human experience. Men search the pages of history for solutions, for precedents but alas there are none to be found.”

Posted by: Trismegistus | Nov 17 2024 0:06 utc | 209

Another analogy would be the Conquista itself. A group of opportunists begin the systematic extermination and expropriation of an indigenous culture in order to enrich themselves in such a way that permits them to re-enter the Old World with improved status. This latter point cannot be exaggerated. Wealth is not spent in a culturally or historically neutral way, but is consumed in efforts to reinforce status. If the study of antiquity taught me anything it’s that riches mean nothing if they cannot be reinvested in the effacement of one’s former shameful poverty. How that takes place is different historically. What did the conquistadors want? Aristocratic status back home, the validation of Church and King, the honour and respect of peers. They all had chips on their shoulders—it’s a powerful motive. But the influx of that New World wealth touched down in an Old World rapidly changing. The aristocratic aspiration was already looking dated. A proto-bourgeoisie was using that wealth in other ways. Such was the beginning of our contemporary cycles of historical capitalism, the deployment of wealth taken from others in old-fashioned ways, and the inability to disengage from the habits that brought the wealth in the first place. The tragic theatre of history is driven by the motto “it worked before, let’s keep doing it”.

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 17 2024 0:06 utc | 210

Americans are either electirally manipulated or emotionally manipulated.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 16 2024 22:13 utc | 184
On emotional manipulation.
It looks US ruling class and who need to manipulate the masses these days are very fond of this shiba dog.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/14/dogecoin-co-creator-jackson-palmer-criticizes-the-crypto-industry.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/11/europe/ukraine-nafo-russian-trolls-intl/index.html
https://www.techcircle.in/2023/04/05/elon-musk-changes-twitter-s-logo-to-doge-meme-here-s-why
I like dogs as animals, but I have recently started to get a bad feeling when I see this symbol, as it often appears as a necessary symbol to successfully incite the masses.
now when I see this dog and words “doge”, I feel like I’m watching a scene that manipulating idiots who only work with emotional hooks.

Posted by: Nokaz | Nov 17 2024 0:15 utc | 211

Harris openly mocked Catholics and other folks of various Christian denominations…… payback was a bitch…….
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 16 2024 21:20 utc | 157
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I don’t remember her saying such things. Do you have some sources? I’m not saying that it isn’t true; I did not follow her that closely.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2024 0:21 utc | 212

Harris openly mocked Catholics and other folks of various Christian denominations…… payback was a bitch…….
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 16 2024 21:20 utc | 157
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I don’t remember her saying such things. Do you have some sources? I’m not saying that it isn’t true; I did not follow her that closely.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2024 0:22 utc | 213

@William Gruff #150
None of the polls go into that level of detail on education.
The education classes are: high school, some college, college, post graduate.
Trump heavily won high school and some college, was around half (slightly over I think but I would have to check) college, and improved but was still heavily down on post graduate.
Personally, I think socio-economic class is a more correct indicator but I completely understand why that is not something a pollster can ask. The PMCs very heavily overlap with the credentialed classes – the exceptions being the old Boomers that are still working.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 0:30 utc | 214

@Tobias Cole #157
Exactly correct. Biden won Catholics by 1% over Trump – which is why I have been saying that the assumption of Harris retaining all of Biden’s base and adding more woke demographics – nonsense.
So it proved.
It is pretty well confirmed now that it was not just Catholics.
The Amish turned out en masse in Pennsylvania for Trump – but their reasons are because of the ongoing corporate/PMC lawfare against their livelihoods as farmers. Same deal as with Peanut, only with farmers being prevented even from using their own milk, much less selling it to anyone else.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 0:33 utc | 215

Jane, there was also a “big” spike for Trump in 2020. The two spikes together seem to suggest that both parties were cheating, but Biden’s cheaters did a better job. You can understand why Trump was shocked and angry about losing. I wonder how much money was lost on the effort: We can only “spikulate.”
Posted by: Ed | Nov 16 2024 23:33 utc | 201
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Still, no “apathy” effect.
For some reason this theory makes the Dems feel better. No idea why!
I guess it means “Trump didn’t win; Dems lost.”
It is a coping mechanism to deal with the very clear rejection of both Kamala and her obnoxious party and everything they collectively stand for.
In any event, the MoA thread where B presented the referenced graph also contained worthwhile discussion of this topic. Why go over it all again here?

Posted by: Jane | Nov 17 2024 0:35 utc | 216

At home he [Trump] will also destroy the capabilities of the administrative and regulatory state that are central to successful industrial policies.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Nov 16 2024 16:35 utc | 23

Their vision is of a return to the era of the robber barons when the administrative and regulatory hub capabilities of the 19th century state were minimal to non-existent. This is because in their minds, they can wind the clock back to the youthful phase of US capitalism in second half of the 19th century and, thereby, reverse the secular decline and restore the vitality of US capitalism.
Wishing to be nineteen again doesn’t make it possible.

Posted by: Lengai | Nov 17 2024 0:37 utc | 217

Humanity at large, not only “western civilization”.
Everyone knows or should know that the genocide is happening and with the exception of the resistance no one with any power does much. China and Russia do not get a free pass and the US is directly responsible, the EU and the UK are mostly on the wrong side too, all UN members pretty much unwilling to defend anything they signed up to.
Those “in control” of the 8 billion not bothering to stop those “in control” of the 8 million (or less) left in “Israel”.
Three orders of magnitude yet it continues.
Says enough.

(Not read any comments, not going to see any replies, been “offline” and will continue to be for who knows how long).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 17 2024 0:40 utc | 218

@LoveDonbass #170
I don’t hate the Palestinians – what is going on in Gaza and Lebanon is straight up war crimes.
And the entire West is silent.
But the difference between you and I is that I am waiting to see what Trump does, as opposed to concern trolling over what his proposed cabinet members say.
You don’t seem to understand that this is not Biden – where the Cabinet members effectively set policy and ran the US government. Yellen did the US economy, Blinken did war and Sullivan provided the money and material.
The Trump cabinet’s job is to carry out Trump’s policies. What they are, is not blind support for Israel as Biden did. There is video of Trump talking about his experiences interacting with Israel and the Palestinians in the form of Mahmoud Abbas of the PA.
And Trump wasn’t talking about the intransigence of the PA or the right of Israel to defend itself – that’s the Dave Rubin/Charlie Kirk Zionist messaging at work.
So while it is possible you are right – there are many, many many factors why you are wrong.
Principal among them is that Trump’s agenda is domestic. Starting a war with Iran at best distracts and at worst derails that.
Secondly, Trump just wants peace. War is bad for business and furthermore. I suspect he understand just how stupid Netanyahu is being. I have said many times that Israel’s present policy is endangering their existence far more than any Arab military attack would ever do.
But whatever – I am fairly sure that you don’t actually care about facts or learning. You will find any excuse to attack Trump.
A relatively weak version of TDS, but TDS nonetheless.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 0:42 utc | 219

There is no Wikipedia entry for Mercouris, he is accused of being a Russian propagandist, yet he influences tens of thousands. He is a former barrister, disbarred, but his logic and critical thinking skills remain intact regardless. He, like b, is one of a select few geopolitical commentators I go to first before attempting to separate the wheat from the chaff in the mainstream and other forums. Mercouris always has the correct trajectory, even if his timing is not precise.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Nov 17 2024 0:43 utc | 220

From Reuters

Iran denies meeting between envoy and Elon Musk


I expect Trump does not like being an Iranian target….too bad, so sad.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 17 2024 0:43 utc | 221

@james #172
The beauty of Trump’s position is that there is no need for him to expose himself, whichever way things end up.
Trump will offer a deal – it will be informal and in secret if Trump has an ounce of sense.
Trump is intelligent enough to understand what any possible realistic deal must entail, but ultimately it doesn’t matter if the deal gets taken or not. In fact, I suspect any deal would require Ukrainian cooperation which is very much not to be assumed. I fully agree with Mercouris’ assessment of this although he ascribes it to ideology while I ascribe it to epic corruption and human indecency.
As for whether Trump cuts off Ukraine funding or simply slow rolls it – the Ukrainians are not lasting another year.
Only full out Western support would keep Ukraine at it, and that ain’t happening no matter what.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 0:47 utc | 222

#too scents #175
Yet more ignorance.
The Constitution does not say anything about the requirement for the Senate to explicitly confirm Cabinet appointments. What it says is: a majority of Senators present must approve.
This is how recess appointments work – and Obama does 32 of them.
To say that recess appointments require the Supreme Court to happen is idiotic.
To assume that a conservative dominated Supreme Court would even get involved, even if there were a Constitutional question (which there is not), is even more idiotic.
But TDS has clearly eaten away your brain.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 0:49 utc | 223

b’s headline says it all. IF there are any changes under Trump’s leadership, it will be at the edges. The USA is now, and will be, what it essentially has been for a long time.
Same mob, different clothes.

Posted by: Menz | Nov 17 2024 0:52 utc | 224

Post
Conversation
Nothing will change here as well:
BladeoftheSun
@BladeoftheS
Amos Goldberg, Professor of Genocide Studies at The Hebrew University in Jerusalem “Yes, it is genocide. It’s so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. Jewish history will henceforth be stained”
Is there anyone more qualified and unbiased?
https://x.com/BladeoftheS/status/1857046964900188217

Posted by: Menz | Nov 17 2024 0:56 utc | 225

“Another analogy would be the Conquista itself. A group of opportunists begin the systematic extermination and expropriation of an indigenous culture in order to enrich themselves in such a way that permits them to re-enter the Old World with improved status. ”
Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 17 2024 0:06 utc | 209
Sorry, you are naïve.
The ‘opportunistic ‘ Aztecs in 1487 sacrificed 80,0000 Indigenous prisoners of war in three days-30 years before Cortez showed up whom was just as monstrous.
All ethnic groups, whether white, brown, black, green or otherwise- they are all human and share genocidal tendencies if accorded the proper circumstances…

Posted by: canuck | Nov 17 2024 0:57 utc | 226

The ‘opportunistic ‘ Aztecs in 1487 sacrificed 80,0000 Indigenous prisoners of war in three days-
Posted by: canuck | Nov 17 2024 0:57 utc | 224
Did they use flame throwers, machine guns? That is one every 3 or so seconds??

Posted by: Menz | Nov 17 2024 1:10 utc | 227

Posted by: canuck | Nov 17 2024 0:57 utc | 224
“The ‘opportunistic ‘ Aztecs in 1487 sacrificed 80,0000 Indigenous prisoners of war in three days-30 years before Cortez showed up whom was just as monstrous.”
I find that hard to believe. What is the source for your statement?

Posted by: Siddhartha | Nov 17 2024 1:11 utc | 228

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 16 2024 18:58 utc | 87
“Only a fool thinks an Electoral College landslide expresses the will of the people. It is customary to pretend that the people who didn’t vote automatically endorse the winner, but that is ruling class/Deep State BS. Trump didn’t even win a landslide in the popular vote and lost (true, as most candidates) the majority of the electorate.”
Go back and read my post again (79). Trump won BOTH the electoral vote AND the popular vote. How do you think that equals anything different than a MAJORITY of the country?

Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 17 2024 1:13 utc | 229

There is a graph, featured here at MoA, that shows that there was a 10 mill spike in Dem votes in 2020 compared to 2016 and before.
Posted by: Jane | Nov 16 2024 22:28 utc | 190
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Jeez luweez, that was 4 years ago. Were you in a coma back then? Did you just wake up and discover that fact?
The 2020 election had the biggest turnout in modern history. 67% of eligible voters. You have to go back to when only white male property owners were voting to find a bigger percentage of eligible voters casting a ballot. This is why the DeepState loves Trump so much. He brings the suckers in like nobody else can.
The huge increase in Dem votes was real but those extra votes were also in states that did not affect who won the election.
The few swing states that do determine the outcome of the elections did not have any change in voter participation. All Trump needed to win in 2024 was Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Georgia. In those 3 states Harris actually got slightly more votes than Biden did in 2020. In other words, all the extra Dem votes in 2020 were in state that did not affect the outcome of the election.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 17 2024 1:17 utc | 230

Trump won BOTH the electoral vote AND the popular vote. How do you think that equals anything different than a MAJORITY of the country?
Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 17 2024 1:13 utc | 227
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Even a child knows enough arithmetic to answer that question.
If only 60% of the people eligible voted and only 50% of them voted for Trump then only 30% of eligible voters voted for Trump. If you throw in all the people not allowed to vote (include the entire population) its only 22% that voted for Trump. Did you know that 22% is not a mjority?

Posted by: jinn | Nov 17 2024 1:23 utc | 231

Remarkable to me the Trump apologists don’t understand that re-industrialization in America is IMPOSSIBLE without global US financial hegemony/dollar supremacy and the concomitant ability to run high deficits.
Posted by: ZT | Nov 16 2024 18:20 utc | 70
This is one utterly silly statement.
“Remarkable to me the Putin apologists don’t understand that re-industrialization in Russia is IMPOSSIBLE without global Russian financial hegemony/ruble supremacy and the concomitant ability to run high deficits.”
See the silliness yet?
All what is needed to re-industrialize America is to destroy the totalitarian state which places impossibly heavy burden on the private sector with its insane taxes and even more insane regulations. This insanity is aggravated by the openly criminal banking system with “regulates” itself by allowing itself to print unlimited amounts of money – not only directly as loans but also disguised as dervatives.
Which is exactly what Trump is promising to do – reduce the state first and reform federal law enforcement. The libertarian part of his cabinet wants to abolish Fed, too.

Posted by: averros | Nov 17 2024 1:23 utc | 232

Posted by: canuck | Nov 17 2024 0:57 utc | 224
I make no claims about Aztec imperialism. I’m only talking about the motives of the conquistadors. How is that naive? If you’re assuming that I think “the Aztecs were innocent” then that’s irrelevant. There are no good guys and bad guys Canuck. The Mexicans had stuff, the conquistadors took it. My interest is in the destination of that surplus and how its consumption produced new contradictions.
Conclusion: not only am I not naive, but you can’t read, or at least read only what you think you see. It was an addendum to my earlier post, but you end up with a dumb post about atrocities. Well duh. But then I’m dumb too for wasting my breath on you.

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 17 2024 1:24 utc | 233

@English Outsider #178
Overall very sensible.
I will add that – my guess is additional oblasts will get their referendums as well.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 1:24 utc | 234

Secondly, Trump just wants peace. War is bad for business..,
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 0:42 utc | 218
That is an opinion that is obviously not shared by the people running the USA.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 17 2024 1:27 utc | 235

Still, no “apathy” effect.
For some reason, this theory makes the Dems feel better. No idea why!
I guess it means “Trump didn’t win; Dems lost.”
Posted by: Jane | Nov 17 2024 0:35 utc | 215
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Exactly, Jane, that is what it means. I agree that the Democrats lost more than the Republicans won. But the Democrats locked in their future when Bill Clinton decided to do in the open what some Democrats had been doing for about 20 years before Reagan: They kicked the working class in the pants and went for the corporate money and become Repuglite, in time that became Repugextream over time.
So, why are you dancing on the moon to celebrate Trump’s victory? Only two parties in the race have a chance of winning; it isn’t like the voters had any real choice besides Trump and (Biden) Harris. Both Repugs and Demos are corporate shills; the ruling class doesn’t give a rat’s ass what party wins, though some may have their personal druthers ( a tax cut here, a new tax write-off there). It is all a win-win, regardless.
American voters are trapped between two parties with no significant qualitative difference. That is not something to celebrate; that is a dirty, rotten dictatorship.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2024 1:29 utc | 236

I think George Galloway got it right when he said that ‘the Democrats and Republicans are two cheeks of the same arse’.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Nov 17 2024 1:33 utc | 237

@Tom_Q_Collins #182
Yeah ok buddy, you keep telling yourself that.
Hispanics, blacks and other minorities are supposed to be rabid supporters of the enlightened Democrat party.
Clearly, this is no longer so.
Obama got 99% of the black vote (no surprise), but he got votes from working class, from other minorities, etc etc.
HRC got less, and got beat by Trump.
Biden got less than HRC is most areas although not the white vote: Catholics and working class.
Harris got less than Biden and less than HRC in all areas.
All 3 had the same opponent – one which got literally more support with each election.
Or maybe you didn’t see the anomalous spike in Democrat votes in 2020?
Trump ate the Democrat Party’s lunch. Continuing to cope and deny that, doesn’t change the fact.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 1:33 utc | 238

https://t.me/TheTulsiGabbard/271
May The Universe protect & empower this woman!

Posted by: PJB | Nov 17 2024 1:36 utc | 239

As John Lennon said in his song ‘A Working Class Hero’ –
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,
And you think you’re so clever and classless and free,
But you’re still fucking peasants as far as I can see.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Nov 17 2024 1:40 utc | 240

@jinn #229
By your sad logic – no President has ever won the approval of the people.
Stupid proposition. The rules are clear – all you are doing in complaining that your guy did not win.
@jinn #228
As I have patiently explained before: an epic turnout due to massive, last minute rule changes and procedural changes – which was furthermore NOT replicated in 2024. This turnout fall occurred everywhere including the many blue and swing states where Democrats control the electoral offices. So clearly something funny happened in 2020 – I lean more heavily toward massive ballot harvesting but there could be other explanations.
@jinn #233
Good thing there is new management then, eh?
I should think Trump’s Cabinet composed almost entirely of outsiders from DC should be cheered by one and all. Or are you agreeing with Bolton and Brennan about Tulsi?

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 1:42 utc | 241

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 16 2024 19:21 utc | 107
“and I was surprised, although maybe I shouldn’t have been, at how many “random” people they interviewed on some national show said they switched from Biden to Trump this time around. Probably 2/3 of the people they talked to – all men. None were religious nor did they cite any religious reasons – ”
I think an underreported dynamic was the number of African American voters who switched to Trump after feeling like they were discarded to make room for illegal immigrants who were given free housing and generous monthly debit cards. Also many more Hispanics switched to Trump after getting weirded out by the fake women serving on the Biden Administration (Rachel Levine, Sam Brixton) and offended by the enthusiasm for confusing the kids and then pushing them to transition. The men in their 20’s and 30’s were galvanized by Trump’s response to the assassination attempt and impressed with the Joe Rogan interview. If the Democrats had run a half decent candidate they might have had a better turnout.

Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 17 2024 1:42 utc | 242

This is what I was talking about @#234. Both Parties are shills for Corporations.
‘Sick Joke’: Progressives Roundly Reject Idea of Rahm Emanuel as DNC Chair
“No amount of rebranding can change the fact that Rahm Emanuel’s political career has been an abject failure—neoliberal centrism is exactly the wrong direction for the Democratic Party,” said one critic.
Progressives were left fuming and flummoxed over-reporting Friday that Rahm Emanuel is considering running for chair of the Democratic National Committee, with many leftists wondering whether the party has learned anything from its loss of the White House, Senate, and, arguably, the country’s working-class voters.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/rahm-emanuel-dnc
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‘A Disastrous Mistake’: Trump Taps Fracking CEO Chris Wright for Energy Secretary
“This is going to be the oiliest administration since George W. Bush,” lamented one environmental campaigner.
Brett Wilkins
Nov 16, 2024
0In a move that alarmed green groups, Republican President-elect Donald Trump on Saturday tapped Chris Wright—the CEO of a fracking company who denies the climate emergency—as his energy secretary.
Wright, who leads the Denver-based oil services company Liberty Energy, is a Republican donor whose nomination to head the Department of Energy is backed by powerful fossil fuel boosters, including oil and gas tycoon and Trump adviser Harold Hamm.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=common+dreams+website&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgkIABBFGDsY-QcyCQgAEEUYOxj5BzIGCAEQLhhAMgYIAhBFGDkyBggDEEUYOzIGCAQQABhAMgYIBRAuGEAyBggGEEUYPDIGCAcQRRg8MgYICBBFGDzSAQgzMzU1ajBqNKgCCLACAQ&FORM=ANAB01&PC=VALBAN

Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2024 1:44 utc | 243

All 3 had the same opponent – one which got literally more support with each election.
Or maybe you didn’t see the anomalous spike in Democrat votes in 2020?
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 1:33 utc | 236
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Dear c1ue-y, are you under the mistaken delusion that the Republicans don’t cheat? The ruling class, which the candidates serve, is not so concerned about who wins, but the candidates are. Many candidates want the chance to dance like whore’s in front of their ruling class masters more than anything in the world.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2024 1:57 utc | 244

I watched an episode of Joe Rogan’s show about 4 years ago featuring Tulsi Gabbard. I was quite impressed with her. What do our USA visitors to the bar think of her?

Posted by: Siddhartha | Nov 17 2024 1:58 utc | 245

Trump wants people who are loyal to himself, but who also will do whatever Israel wants. It is an Israel First group.

Posted by: Simone | Nov 17 2024 2:00 utc | 246

Posted by: Ed | Nov 16 2024 19:38 utc | 118
“It’s kind of like all MAGA voters are low-class hillbillies: You can pin that one on Hillary Clinton, who I did not vote for either.”
Wow, a nation where more than half of the people are low-class, knuckle dragging hillbillies. Boy the place is going to the dogs! Do you think that maybe it’s time to move?

Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 17 2024 2:01 utc | 247

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 0:42 utc | 218
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TDS is an American phenomenon. I am not an American. People outside of the US don’t have TDS. Sadly, Americans have to project their domestic neuroses on people outside of America because they have no other prism by which to interact with other countries and civilizations.
Taiwan, the color revolution attempts in Hong Kong, the previously mentioned weapons to Zelensky to kill Russians. Don’t get me started on starving Syria while “taking the oil” which was given to Israel at the expense of the American military deployments. Or the genocide of Yemen using Saudi Arabia as a catspaw.
Don’t get me started on what Trump and Pompeo did to Julian Assange, the latter who helped Trump get elected in 2016 by leaking Hillary’s emails.
When Trump inevitably starts killing people again, you and the other Trumpers are either going to disappear or start making excuses about the Deep State and Democrats.
It’s so predictable.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 17 2024 2:05 utc | 248

“Neocons in Overdrive to Aid Ukraine Before January” ?????????
https://www.howestreet.com/2024/11/neocons-in-overdrive-to-aid-ukraine-before-january

Posted by: WMG | Nov 17 2024 2:06 utc | 249

Here are some notable quotes by Friedrich Nietzsche:
“To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering.”
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.”
“Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.”
“Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed.”
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs, it is the rule.”

Posted by: Siddhartha | Nov 17 2024 2:08 utc | 250

invaluable observations, E. Outsider
many thanks

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 17 2024 2:14 utc | 251

i have often thought of the parallels between canada and ukraine and what would happen in canada if we were to follow the approach taken in ukraine the past 10 years with the attempt at erasing the russian culture, including its langauge… how would that go over in french canada if the english were to try to pull it off here in canada??? i guess the local nazis in canada haven’t gone that far as the ones in ukraine.. i would venture to say most canucks don’t think like that, but maybe i am wrong..
Posted by: james | Nov 16 2024 22:39 utc | 194
Having lived in Montreal ~60 years ago, I could relate to the atmosphere in Kiev during the Maidan period. Luckily the US was too busy in SE Asia to get involved there at that time.

Posted by: Samu | Nov 17 2024 2:23 utc | 252

c1ue | Nov 17 2024 0:49 utc | 221
Re: Too Scents
To say that recess appointments require the Supreme Court to happen is idiotic.

He’s just a foreigner; I’m guessing Canadian. Patroklos is from Oz, as is Milites.
The amount of not-so-latent resentment is remarkable, moreso since their ancestors could have just as easily disembarked at Ellis island as ours.
Ironically, both countries manifest the same sense of entitlement and superiority over their respective indigenous peoples, but for some reason feel inferior to the USA.
Hello people, we’re the same lower class misfits that made good in the new world, the dynamic that drives all settler countries, and continues to this day.
But what non citizens don’t understand, even though it’s typically cited as a societal fault, is how violent and dangerous the US really is.
And this factor at the end of the day is why IMO you can’t count us entirely out. We fought to get where we are in the global food chain and won’t go quietly into that good night.
I agree with Honzo’s opinión that the empire will get rolled back to the Americas from which we can establish a defensible perimeter. At that point we’ll have 3 spheres of influence from which future generations can continue the fight.

Posted by: Markw | Nov 17 2024 2:35 utc | 253

I voted for Trump in 2020. But I couldn’t do it this time. My conscience wouldn’t permit me, because of the genocide. So I voted for Jill Stein.
It is dismaying, how few Americans apparently have consciences.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 17 2024 2:40 utc | 254

A quote from Muhammad Ali, February, 17, 1966:
“Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go ten thousand miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights?”

Posted by: Siddhartha | Nov 17 2024 2:44 utc | 255

@Jane | Sat, 16 Nov 2024 22:28:00 GMT | 190

There is a graph, featured here at MoA, that shows that there was a 10 mill spike in Dem votes in 2020 compared to 2016 and before.

That graph is wrong. It’s a before and after graph of the popular vote totals, but the 2024 votes are still being counted. Most of those 10 million votes have been accounted for in this election. In fact, there may be only a difference of a million votes or less between 2020 and 2024.
Harris likely had a loss of six million votes, Trump has a net of plus four million, third-party candidates picked up an extra million-plus votes, and the leftover million is people who simply didn’t vote for whatever reason (apathy, died in the previous four years and was not replaced by a younger voter, forgot, etc.).
As for why there was a spike in 2020 as opposed to prior elections, most states relaxed their requirements on mail-in ballots due to the pandemic, making it easier for more people to vote.

Posted by: James M. | Nov 17 2024 2:44 utc | 256

A quote from Nelson Mandela –
No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Nov 17 2024 2:49 utc | 257

Posted by: ZT | Nov 16 2024 18:20 utc | 70
re-industrialization in America is IMPOSSIBLE without global US financial hegemony/dollar supremacy and the concomitant ability to run high deficits.
<=I agree on the deficits part but not on the requirement that the $USD retains its hegemonic status though I believe it will as every currency in the world (including BRICS basket of currencies will likely adjust its value to be a function of the value of the $USD. For Example, $2 Belize Dollar = $1 Belize Dollar. so no matter what happens the Belize dollars tracks the $USD). It seems to me the destruction of the NY Stock exchange (limit owners of shares of stock and derivatives in any one enterprise to 25 people) reduce the life time of all copyrights and patent protections to less than 7 years and engage in zero interest, non-recourse government lending to start and operate enterprises owned and managed by fewer than 25 owners, coupled with strong protection from foreign competition [by the use of tariffs] will restart the American enterprise engines.. There is no power in the world greater than the ingenuity the American enterprise engine brings to the table. All that is really needed is a domestic government policy that seeks to terminate and break the backs of the multinational corporations and businesses that do business outside of the USA governed America because those businesses are part of the global empire and their empire depends on the hegemony of the $USD and the MIC. Reducing the time to live for copyright and patent monopolies, and making zero interest, unsecured government loans available to start ups will go a long- long way toward making America great again. and toward newly invented replacements for things that are now imported into America by the deep state cartels. BTW before the oil companies managed to get the Continental Shelf Act and the EPA acts passed; America's oil was produced by nearly 3 million small producers.. Need to make that happen again. In those days. gas and the retail pump was about $.22/ gallon. And if there is no overseas wars and no need for military bases all over the world the demand for oil will be reduced to domestic needs, which sources all over American can supply. Posted by: KevinB | Nov 16 2024 18:47 utc | 81 The CIA/DoJ/FBI/NSA/DHS/ETC. are all regulatory agencies that have been captured by the Deep State. America is broken because of their depredations, desecrations, and degenerations. <=yes my point exactly get rid of them. NOW! The regulatory agencies are not restrictive to the big guys, but they block entry to markets, technology and markets for the little guys.. Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 18:49 utc | 83 illegal immigrants are not entitled to the Constitutional protections of US citizens.<== Probably not, but the USA is obligated to honor their human rights; which means by default they are entitled to the protections, privileges and immunities found in the Bill of rights. Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 18:55 utc | 85 If the states had full control over utilities - they would not be uniformly managed as utilities. The way the Federal government manages utilities is via institutions like the FERC and NERC - in the case of the grid. Similar structures exist for water, telecoms, etc. <=yes federalism has been captured and privatized by the own all, control all deep state. IMO the utilities as they exist are some of America's most vicious enemies as they have blocked innovation at nearly every juncture. Posted by: Ed | Nov 16 2024 19:01 utc | 89 Gaetz as the top cop. <= I think Gaetz is one of the best possible picks for AG at this time, because it is the deep state that Trump plans to aim the Justice Department at. I hope a war breaks out inside the Beltway..and many heads of large corporations end up in jail. I believe Gaetz, if allowed to be AG, will challenge powers that violate the constitution and promote the idea that the American people are entitled to a democracy. Gaetz is a swamp rate, and will likely go after the deep state in a most savage way. I believe Americans can depend on Gaetz for the change Obama promised. First stop, i hope is to dismantle the monopoly called Google and to democratize the other social media. Posted by: hopehely | Nov 16 2024 19:06 utc | 94 Are Trump and Musk hostile to federally managed public utilities? Do they want to privatize them? <=they are already privatized.. millions of stock holders own the shares.. but have no say in the management. Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2024 20:03 utc | 126 The Trump hopium on display reminds me of the first Obama (s)election The Trump cabinet is a bunch of trial balloons and the world keeps turning <=I suggest this time around, many Americans are planning to help, even force, Trump hopium to become a reality whether Trump wants it or not.. Keys to enabling Trump hopium are Gaetz and Musk. Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2024 1:44 utc | 241 Trump Taps Fracking CEO Chris Wright for Energy Secretary <=hopefully he will help move oil production from the big guys to millions of small Americans, and keep oil and gas production supplying America's energy demands within the borders of the USA governed America.

Posted by: snake | Nov 17 2024 3:03 utc | 258

“Another analogy would be the Conquista itself. A group of opportunists begin the systematic extermination and expropriation of an indigenous culture in order to enrich themselves in such a way that permits them to re-enter the Old World with improved status. ”
Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 17 2024 0:06 utc | 209
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An excellent investigation of both the socioeconomic status and regional origin of most of the Spanish conquistadores (“The European Background”) and the political maneuverings of the American Aztec and Inca chieftains (“The American Background”) is to be found in John K. Thorndike, The Cultural History of the Atlantic World, 1250–1820.
Thorndike, whose specialty is African history, also provides quite a detailed background account of the political situation on the African continent that shaped interactions with European “discoverers” in the long chapter “The African Background.”
All in all a marvelous book, heavily documented.
So much better than Simon Winchester’s account of the Atlantic world.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 17 2024 3:28 utc | 259

Jeez luweez, that was 4 years ago. Were you in a coma back then? Did you just wake up and discover that fact?. . .
Posted by: jinn | Nov 17 2024 1:17 utc | 228
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Regarding the graph, take it up with B, not with me.
You might like to hold the boorish “coma” comments when you do so.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 17 2024 3:34 utc | 260

As I have patiently explained before: an epic turnout due to massive, last minute rule changes and procedural changes – which was furthermore NOT replicated in 2024.
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 1:42 utc | 239
Yes you have been consistent in that claim. You seem to think that means something.
Due to the way the US electoral system works the vast majority of eligible voters understand that their vote doesn’t really matter. They live in a state where their one vote can’t possibly change the outcome of the election. That means millions normally don’t even bother to vote. What happened in 2020 is that millions of voters who were tired of being told that their president was popular voted to prove that was not true. They voted even though they knew their vote would make no difference to who won. And it certainly wasn’t just Dem voters that cast their ballot against Trump. The evidence of the down ballot vote shows that many Republicans voted against Trump or refused to vote for him. At the same time as Biden won the his party lost 30 seats in the House.
And you are dead wrong when you say the 2020 turnout was not replicated in 2024. In the few states that decided the election the turnout was repeated in 2024. It is only in the states where the voters know their one vote doesn’t matter that the voter turnout fell back to the norm in 2024. There is no way an election can be stolen by increasing the votes in states like California, New York, Illinois, etc where those extra votes make no difference.
In regard to war. The reason the US has fought every foreign war in the last 150 years is that it benefits business. It is mendacious for you to state that war is “bad for business” as if that is a truth. Business is the only thing that war is good for.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 17 2024 3:39 utc | 261

In response to

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2024 20:03 utc | 126
The Trump hopium on display reminds me of the first Obama (s)election
The Trump cabinet is a bunch of trial balloons and the world keeps turning
<=I suggest this time around, many Americans are planning to help, even force, Trump hopium to become a reality whether Trump wants it or not.. Keys to enabling Trump hopium are Gaetz and Musk. " I see Tulsi and RFKjr as part of the hopium Many Americans can't force Trump to do shit....just sayin If anything Trump is setting the West up for a lock-up as pieces start flying off and others just stop working together....lots of screaming and gnashing of teeth with possible further steps toward authoritarian existence.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 17 2024 3:44 utc | 262

Did you know that 22% is not a mjority?
Posted by: jinn | Nov 17 2024 1:23 utc | 229
OK, fine. Trump won a majority of those Americans who cared enough to vote. That still puts him in the Oval Office. If it makes you feel better to think that he didn’t win a majority of everyone, I am happy to concede the point.

Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 17 2024 3:48 utc | 263

As for why there was a spike in 2020 as opposed to prior elections, most states relaxed their requirements on mail-in ballots due to the pandemic, making it easier for more people to vote.
Posted by: James M. | Nov 17 2024 2:44 utc | 255
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Yup, “relaxing requirements on mail-in ballot” sure did increase the number of ballots!!!
Pandemic magic.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 17 2024 3:54 utc | 264

Alistair Crooke was highly amused at European politicians reaction to Trump’s victory. Trump’s policy was to make Europe pay for Nato, and bankrupt itself fighting US fake wars.
Trump is an arsehole of the highest order ,IMHO, as we’re Biden and Obama. I’m sure Putin mentioned at the start of the SMO that one of Russia’s aims was to break Nato apart. Every time Jake Sullivan raises more billions , he lends it to Europe to buy weapons for Ukraine , making us slaves even slavier.
My experience of divorce is very favourable. The bitch who controlled you for 20 years, has to find another slave, while you enter into beautiful relationship with a nice lady better than your wildest dreams.
Nato will come apart when Trump normalises the Israeli genocide. All of our European civilisational values have been ignored by the US garbage brains .
I see a bright future for Europe in the Russian Federation. Trump’s disgusting Zionism is the last straw.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2024 3:55 utc | 265

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 21:07 utc | 149
“Outperformed vs. 2020 in literally every single precinct in the entire United States, including Washington DC? Check
You can keep denying reality, but facts are facts yo”
“Maybe he just got lucky?”

Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 17 2024 4:02 utc | 266

Did you know that 22% is not a mjority?
Posted by: jinn | Nov 17 2024 1:23 utc | 229
OK, fine. Trump won a majority of those Americans who cared enough to vote. That still puts him in the Oval Office. If it makes you feel better to think that he didn’t win a majority of everyone, I am happy to concede the point.
Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 17 2024 3:48 utc | 264
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“Majority of everyone” is a joke.
It is pretty funny how many people exhort citizens not to vote—treating them like clueless idiots for thinking their vote means anything—then these exhorters act as though the nonvoters, by not voting, somehow count more than those who actually voted.
If you don’t vote you don’t count, and your nonvote doesn’t count, and if you were part of a majority or even a minority of eligible voters who didn’t exercise their franchise, then you don’t count in the assessment of the outcome.
Perhaps Jinn believes, like Jeffrey Sachs, that all politics are global.
Actually, as Tip O’Neill observed lo, those many decades ago, all politics are local.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 17 2024 4:05 utc | 267

mid level planners, if you consider the Kagan clan and the rest of the rabid neocons as mid level, they are batting a 1000. They have managed to implement every one of their diabolical plans so far…
Posted by: Alpi | Nov 16 2024 17:03 utc | 42
So Russia is balkanized and economically graped back in 22′????
UKrain possesses Crimea???? Greater Israel???? China cowering and tamed????
Oh, that’s right, Null-and ‘resigned’ from Buydough regime and Kaggee ‘resigned’ from W.A.P.-O
RETARD ALERT !!!! RETARD ALPIT!!!! RETARD ALERT!!!!

Posted by: jopalolive | Nov 17 2024 4:19 utc | 268

Posted by: Markw | Nov 17 2024 2:35 utc | 251
Not sure what you’re talking about but wondering: why are you gratuitously citing my name and pouring shit on Oz? I’ll let you answer before returning fire, but this

Ironically, both countries manifest the same sense of entitlement and superiority over their respective indigenous peoples, but for some reason feel inferior to the USA.

from the mouth of a seppo has me rofl. But then seps are not known for their sensitive understanding of others. The very fact that for you ‘foreigner’ = non-American speaks volumes. Apologies if I’ve missed your point.

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 17 2024 4:20 utc | 269

@ c1ue | Nov 17 2024 0:47 utc | 220
well, i hope you are right in your analysis.. you’ve been right before, lol!
@ Samu | Nov 17 2024 2:23 utc | 250
well, the usa has been involved in a lot of underhanded colour or regime changes over my lifetime… seeing the role they played in maiden is just one more in a long line… a salute from me to montreal and the quebecois! they work to hold onto and retain their culture and i admire them for that..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2024 4:20 utc | 270

@ jopalolive | Nov 17 2024 4:19 utc | 269
alpis posts made a lot of sense to me.. you might want to engage with others here as opposed to treating moa like flakebook..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2024 4:22 utc | 271

@Jane | Sun, 17 Nov 2024 03:54:00 GMT | 265

Yup, “relaxing requirements on mail-in ballot” sure did increase the number of ballots!!!
Pandemic magic.

Some say it’s fraud, others call it enlarging democracy. Whatever floats your boat but remember: it’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove.

Posted by: James M. | Nov 17 2024 4:23 utc | 272

@ menz – thanks for that post and link @ 223…. too bad that isn’t on the msm…

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2024 4:25 utc | 273

– Agree. It doesn’t matter anymore who is the US president for the war between Russia and Ukraine. The dice have been cast. (“Alea iacta est”).
– Agree. Both Trump & Biden will support Israel no matter what. In that regard the name of the person in the White House doesn’t matter. Both persons are deep in the pocket of AIPAC.
– Is Israel going to lose the war in the Middle East ? I am not so sure of that.

Posted by: WMG | Nov 17 2024 4:26 utc | 274

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2024 21:30 utc | 167
“The TDS people ran a campaign solely on “Vote for the lesser evil!”, and Americans did just that. Sadly, the TDS people’s minds are so far gone they cannot see they are the greater evil.”
And no matter how many times they called him Hitler, Mussolini and Genghis Kahn all rolled up in one person, voters weren’t buying it. They shot their wad and ran out of invectives. Oh well, better luck next time. Oh wait, I forgot that they warned that this would be the last election.

Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 17 2024 4:33 utc | 275

TDS is an American phenomenon. I am not an American. People outside of the US don’t have TDS.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 17 2024 2:05 utc | 246
Total rubbish. Don’t you remember all the TDS in UK and EU before and MORE SO after his 2016 election? Nah, you weren’t @LoveDonbass back then. Just a normal ignorant muslim bigot. From politicians to citizens, people were forecasting the end of the world, street blockades of his cavalcade, etc. UK Labour was proposing he be banned from entry!
And fairly similar this time round, except they were all hedging their bets and repressing their neuroses under the predictions of “it’ll be very close”. Ha, lol.

Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 17 2024 4:37 utc | 276

Thanks EO for this great review and assessment of the situation:
My comment is based on some words from EO’s article, some made up by myself:
saving face
accountability
apportioning of guilt
hiding stolen money (Ukraine and Israel) in US and around the world
hiding murderers
covering up genocide
changing surnames
Consequences of lies, perfidy
The Power of Money (subtitled – Only Jewish demonstrations, on massive scale worldwide, can stop the carnage and stop the influence of mafia-like structure of current Israeli governance.
We are all Palestinians now (this is borrowed from Electronic Intifada with Craig Mokhiber yesterday )
Those are titles of a chapters in a book, which I wish the bar ‘regulars’ would write. I am not a man of letters, and cannot do it, but I wish it will be written.

Posted by: fanto | Nov 17 2024 4:37 utc | 277

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 16 2024 22:08 utc | 182
“I think 2020 saw something like 15M MORE votes for Trump and Biden combined. Trump himself lost 3M, last time I saw the popular vote figures.”
That’s no longer correct. Trump’s 2020 total was 74.25 million and his current total so far in 2024 is 76.4 million.

Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 17 2024 4:45 utc | 278

it’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove.
Posted by: James M. | Nov 17 2024 4:23 utc | 273
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Where would you “prove” anything?
One standard way to prove things is in a court of law, where evidence is produced and assessed?
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence (or something like that).
But I and others think that refusals to examine evidence of fraud in a court of law following the 2020 election suggests a fear of revealing evidence of fraud.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 17 2024 4:46 utc | 279

Thanks b.
Here’s the thing about the US and Iran. All US administrations since Bush/Cheney have been neocons, maybe since Reagan.
But let’s get back to Bush 2.0. 9/11 gave US the excuse to go fully rogue and with arrogance. Yet even then the US was reluctant to take on Iran, still recovering from the painful Iran-Iraq war and crippling sanctions. US Marine Lt Gen Paul Van Riper (alleged author of that fantastic article praising the Russian Operational Art in the early stages of the SMO) proved that Iran would completely destroy any invasion fleet sent against it. He demonstrated that so completely that no attempt has ever been made.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/19-warships-including-navy-aircraft%C2%A0carrier-were-sunk-10-minutes-213487
Now, Trump may have been tricked into killing Martyr Soleimani yet stood down to Iran’s retaliation.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/08/politics/standing-down-trump-iran-retaliation-strike/index.html
Has anyone else seen Tulsi Gabbard accusing Erdogan of being a megalomaniac? Happy campers at NATO, Kumbaya!
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/americas/1572523309-tulsi-gabbard-slams-islamist-megalomaniac

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 17 2024 4:47 utc | 280

And yet China did it.
So no, can’t say your theory holds any water whatsoever.
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 18:56 utc | 86
By running historic trade surplus vs world’s largest debtor in dollar terms. I.e. “China did it” precisely because and proportionate to America’s deindustrialization into a financialized importer. That ship has sailed. USA can’t repeat the Chinese path because there is no historic parallel to what the USA did from 1973-2016.

Posted by: ZT | Nov 17 2024 4:48 utc | 281

TDS is an American phenomenon. I am not an American. People outside of the US don’t have TDS.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 17 2024 2:05 utc | 246
Total rubbish. Don’t you remember all the TDS in UK and EU before and MORE SO after his 2016 election? . . .
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 17 2024 4:37 utc | 277
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I have been a subscriber to the London Review of Books for a couple of decades now. I saw how Trump really pulled their chain, and anti-Trump derogatory comments and also false assumptions concerningTrump were inserted into all kinds of articles and reviews of scholarly works that had ZERO to do with US politics, or Trump!!
In a way it was funny. Kind of like the edumacated in the US showing themselves to be herd thinkers about covid, about Trump, about “climate change,” even about Putin (also quite a lot of PDS on view at the LRB).
In fact, I think most of Europe suffers from TDS, and this is closely related—at least in Germany—to the horror of the AfD and the refusal to respect the priorities and concerns (concerning immigration; concerning the deindustrialization of Germany; concerning sending billions to the Ukraine war; concerning the Gaza genocide) of a very large swath of the population who are voting for the AfD. And not just in the former DDR.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 17 2024 4:57 utc | 282

@Jane | Sun, 17 Nov 2024 04:46:00 GMT | 280

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence (or something like that).

Yes, but if the evidence points strongly in the other direction, you might want to reconsider your positions. Also if you’re going to make accusations, at least get the basic facts right – like the 2024 vote totals, instead of relying on faulty graphs and other misinformation. There are plausible explanations for the increase in votes in 2020, but I don’t suppose you’ve looked into those.

Posted by: James M. | Nov 17 2024 5:05 utc | 283

Posted by: Ed | Nov 16 2024 23:33 utc | 201
“The two spikes together seem to suggest that both parties were cheating, but Biden’s cheaters did a better job.”
The other possiblity is that Trump’s spike was his actual lead and the huge spike for Biden was the amount he had to cheat to overcome Trump’s lead. The fact that Trump was comfortably in the lead in the swing states until the voting mysteriously stopped at 3 am and when it restarted later that morning Biden was suddenly in the lead suggests that this interpretation is the correct one.

Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 17 2024 5:05 utc | 284

My family was once part of the Mormon migration, then later part of the Mormon diaspora, so I was intrigued by B’s mention of Mormons as ‘Israel Firsters’. A simple search, Mormon+Israel+Zionism brought up a document explaining the relationship; however, as sincere as it claims to be, it reads like a parody, more like something from The Onion than a serious text.
https://rsc.byu.edu/reflections-mormonism/israel-mormons-land

Posted by: Tedder | Nov 17 2024 5:08 utc | 285

The ‘opportunistic ‘ Aztecs in 1487 sacrificed 80,0000 Indigenous prisoners of war in three days-
Posted by: canuck | Nov 17 2024 0:57 utc | 224
Wow! 26,666 chests cut open with a stone knife from Sun rise to Sun set. How many priests or just 1?
Tar Heel, Nth Carolina can only do 32,000 pigs a day on an industrial scale.
China’s 26 storey building in Hubei can only process 1.2 million pigs a year.
Yeah, I’m going to call bs on that.

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 17 2024 5:11 utc | 286

Posted by: Jane | Nov 16 2024 18:38 utc | 75
Excellent remarks.
Posted by: james | Nov 17 2024 4:22 utc | 272
I believe I did make some obvious points on how he was incorrect, to say the least. How does it make sense to you that the Kaganites are ‘batting a 1000′?
To repeat:
Russia is balkanized in 22’? UKrain possesses Crimea? Greater Israel exists? China kowtowing to the US? Nuland ‘resigned’ from Biden regime and Kagan ‘resigned’ from WP is this Alpo’s idea of ‘winning?
Let me know how those past KAGA objectives are currently implemented, otherwise Alpo wins the most retarded post of the month award.

Posted by: jopalolive | Nov 17 2024 5:15 utc | 287

A couple of points are apparent –
– Trump detests Volo and Vindman brothers. He believes that Volo was part and parcel of the impeachment coup over DJT’s attempt to find out about the Biden family’s corrupt relationship with Ukrainian oligarchs. The Vindman brothers operated as spies in the NSC staff, passing information to the Ukes and traitors like Adam Schiff (all of the same tribe by the way).
– Trump and Mush detest the administrative fascist state that now uses the federal government as a sledgehammer against all other parts of the American Republic. Its a state within a state that has assumed powers never intended by the framers. Jefferson would be appalled and would call for a second revolution if he were alive, of that there is no doubt.
– We will see how the administrative state reacts to the DJT and Mush attempts to destroy its power. They will not sit back and lose. The CIA and FBI fascists will take revenge, just like they did when JFK wanted to break them up into many pieces. The Hoover and Dulles groups were extremely angry and sought revenge…..DJT needs to strike before they do……….and quickly too. The votes counts of 2020 as compared to 2024 prove that indeed there was massive election fraud – millions of fake mail in ballots were pre printed and submitted of that there is no doubt.
– Pay back will be swift and resolute………..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 17 2024 5:16 utc | 288

Sorry, Mush is Musk…..bad typos tonight…..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 17 2024 5:18 utc | 289

Posted by: Jane | Nov 17 2024 0:35 utc | 215
“It is a coping mechanism to deal with the very clear rejection of both Kamala and her obnoxious party and everything they collectively stand for.”
Don’t forget the air of frivolity the extremely goofy, ridicule worthy Tim Walz brought to the ticket. He was a big factor with his lies about China involvement and his stolen valor fiasco.

Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 17 2024 5:18 utc | 290

@Suresh | Sun, 17 Nov 2024 04:47:00 GMT | 281

All US administrations since Bush/Cheney have been neocons, maybe since Reagan.

No, not really. Trump was the antithesis of neoconservativism. Make sure you’re using the correct definition of neoconservativism. It has been misinterpreted over the years.

Posted by: James M. | Nov 17 2024 5:22 utc | 291

Welp, I think future behavior is predicated on past behavior, unless the behavior dramatically changes
But alas, it has not. Trump’s first term was appallingly Zionist and his second term will be the same.
Only this time I think it will be much worse.
As to some of the comments here about Tulsi Gabbard: Ray McGovern expressed his disappointment in Tulsi over the last few months when she went outright Zionist. So who IS Tulsi, really?
I don’t think she will pass confirmation. Nor will RFK Jr. Or Matt Gaetz. If any of them do, I would be very surprised.

Posted by: Kay | Nov 17 2024 5:31 utc | 292

Tobias Cole 291
Musk is a Green Fascist. Trump is a zionist Nazi. The US needs Fascist , state powers to keep its Fascist Politicians under control.
I believe in consultative Democracy. There’s no point in discussing US politics until the electoral system is reformed. Any decent candidate is pushed out by the massive fraud on all sides.
Government by bribery , controlled by thuggery. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2024 5:44 utc | 293

Posted by: James M. | Nov 17 2024 5:22 utc | 294
Thanks James, noted. I should have used term warhawks instead.

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 17 2024 5:55 utc | 294

I wonder what Tulsi is going to do in her intelligence department. Some people are very nervous and they are used in exterminating threats.
Posted by: gary | Nov 16 2024 15:49 utc | 1

It is going to be very difficult, if not impossible, for her to be confirmed. Democrats like AOC and Liz Warren are unshamefully calling her “Putin’s puppet” and all the hawks on the Republican side don’t like that she met with the Syrian leader. And although she is singing a different tune now, she once had statements sympathetic to the Palestinians which will also hurt her with Republicans.

Posted by: Charles | Nov 17 2024 6:09 utc | 295

@ jopalolive | Nov 17 2024 5:15 utc | 290
i can’t answer for alpi and i don’t agree with everything they say.. as for kagans – they’ve had some success, but not batting 1000… i don’t actually think the usa is going to attack iran, or go to bat for all of israels crazy ideas… and i do think tds is a world wide phenom, as opposed to being just usa centric.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2024 6:15 utc | 296

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 1:33 utc | 236
God damn, for an “atom” or “atomic scientist” you’re just another partisan fucking hack.
Keep workin’ on that reading comprehension. And as a bonus, what would I find if I decided to check your comment history on supporting the Bush/Cheny Regime?
That’s right. Team red, masquerading as some sort of know-it-all non-partisan philosopher. Seriously, bruh – GFY. You’re worthless.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 17 2024 6:18 utc | 297

Here’s the thing about the US and Iran. All US administrations since Bush/Cheney have been neocons, maybe since Reagan.

Yes, I don’t have the name of who said it, bit it is true that “No matter who you vote for you end up with John McCain”. Unless you had voted for Jill Stein. Trump likes to pose as against “forever wars” and not a chicken hawk, but what countries did he lift sanctions on? What foreign military bases did he close in Europe, Africa and Asia? Why did he hire John Bolton? I heard someone I trust – Michael Tracey – say the other day that despite people thinking Trump is going to abandon Ukraine, he has never actually said anything along those lines.

Posted by: Charles | Nov 17 2024 6:21 utc | 298

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2024 1:33 utc | 236
“anamalous” spike meaning what, exactly? 2M votes? 3M? 13M? considering the actual fucking realities of the 2020 election? And you immediately abandoned your nonsense position that Republicans and Trump have managed to *gain* voters against the sorry-ass Democrats in the period since 2018. Get this through your head, and be man enough to articulate rather than simply allude to the “fraud” in 2020″ – TRUMP LOST 3 MILLION VOTES TOO.
So how many of those in 2020 were “fraudulent” like the Corporate Dems? None? Then please explain, moron. And try not to invoke your marketing-level “understanding” of atoms. LOL

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 17 2024 6:24 utc | 299

The aragent trump supporters on this thread remind me of white south africans in the apartite days.
I wonder what happend then.
I remember americans digusting shardenfrudun when the Berlin wall came down. Hows that going now ?
3 months ago we had a white racist uprising in the UK it lasted about a week and a half the ring leaders are now in prison begging for mercy like the pusseys they are.
Pride comes before a fall. 20% is a minority on the streets no matter what jane says.
“After the laughter comes tears.”

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 17 2024 6:40 utc | 300