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November 16, 2024
English Outsider On Trump’s Cabinet Of Curiosities And How Little It Matters

Referring to Judge Napolitano discussion with Col Lawrence Wilkerson about Trump and the Defense Department (video) English Outsider writes:

"Yes, the man all hoped would give the quietus to the neocons seems to be appointing neocons himself.

Mercouris has made some valuable preliminary observations on the subject of Trump's appointees so far. Risking paraphrasing him (the reference is to his video of a couple of days back), he considers that these appointments are made mainly to ensure Trump has in place those loyal to him, that consideration over-riding any question of whatever foreign policy stance the prospective nominees may hold.

As said, these are preliminary or tentative conclusions arrived at by Mercouris but I believe they make very good sense. Following on from Mercouris' conclusions are I believe further conclusions on the subject of these somewhat hawkish proposed nominees.

1. It no longer matters what US foreign policy is with respect to Ukraine and maybe with respect to the ME.

The Russians are going to get their "demilitarisation and denazification" in Ukraine whatever the West does or attempts. That has long been apparent and is now apparent to all. So the views of the Trump nominees on Ukraine, and the views of Trump himself on Ukraine, no longer matter when it comes to changing facts on the ground.

Similarly in the ME, whether the appointees are Israel Firsters or not also no longer matters. It looks as if Israel is heading for defeat, but whether it is so or not the outcome can't be altered by the US. Neither Biden nor Trump are going to authorise open and declared war on behalf of Israel and if they did, it's doubtful that American military power is sufficient to change that outcome.

In addition, open and active war against Iran, for instance, would lead to an increase in oil prices and to significant damage to American ships and bases. That is not something Biden has been prepared to risk so far and Trump even less: it would damage his credibility were he to open his Presidency with a major war having given the impression, in his election campaign, that he was opposed to one.

So there's nothing much the US or the West as a whole can do to alter the outcome either of the Ukrainian war or of the conflict in the ME. I haven't read "The Art of the Deal" but I'm sure that Trump recognises that when you sit down to play, the first priority is to recognise the strength of your own hand. Whatever the US hawks may believe, the Pentagon will know that in either case we in the West hold no aces.

2. Given that military impotence the US politicians can follow the example of the Europeans. They can make what threats they please knowing they will not risk putting those threats into practice. We've seen Macron threatening French boots on the ground knowing he's never going to declare war on Russia. We see Scholz and Starmer still impeccably resolute, knowing they will never be at risk of having to back up words with deeds. Now we will see US politicians – have in fact been seeing them for some time – doing the same.

But it's not all sound and fury signifying nothing. In the case of the ME the American politicians have to bear in mind the strength of the voting bloc made up of the Evangelicals, Christian Zionists, Mormons and the various religious sects for who Israel First is an article of faith. That voting bloc is large, in the tens of millions. It was not one Biden wished to offend. It was a necessary component in the portion of the electorate that carried Trump to victory. They need the rhetoric even if the reality falls short of their expectations. By proposing Israel Firsters, and vociferous Israel Firsters at that, Trump has given them that rhetoric.

3. After the defeat in Ukraine, and what looks very likely to be defeat in the ME, the first priority of the politicians will be to save face.

The UK politicians, as we see have seen in the UK press, have their alibi ready for Ukraine. "We would have won had the Americans not let us down. They should have permitted deep strikes. They should have put boots on the ground. They should have threatened nuclear". That alibi ignores the fact that none of those courses would have been practicable. But it will probably serve and most of the UK electorate will be content with it.

No doubt such alibis will be coming out of Europe. It is essential for Trump to have a similar alibi. None can say whether the war will end before Trump's inauguration but if it doesn't, if it's the Trump administration that has to confess defeat, the Democrats will undoubtedly attempt to lay the blame for that defeat at his door. By proposing hawks and thus adopting hawkish rhetoric, Trump will be able to avoid that reproach.

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Are those fair conclusions to draw from Mercouris' observation? Pretty squalid conclusions, if so, but then that's politics. But for me, my judgement of the success of the Trump Presidency will be on quite other grounds. I stated that judgement on Colonel Lang's old site and state it here:

This final stage of the Ukrainian war is leading to quite appalling casualties. The genocide in the ME is not only a tragedy for those suffering. It is an ineradicable stain on Western civilisation and future generations will look back in horror at what we supported and often encouraged.

Trump's Presidency will be judged not by the success of his internal reforms. It will be judged by the extent to which he managed, even before his inauguration, to bring these horrors to an end."

Comments

I think what Elon Musk and Trump embody is the direction of ‘abolish government and let private businessmen control the lives of the people of the land’, which I think is just a bad extension of neoliberal ideology.
Posted by: Nokaz | Nov 16 2024 17:14 utc | 45
Yeah, you are right-all these immense bureaucratic US Federal agencies- controlled by parties not elected by the American people- should be allowed to grow bigger, restrain evil private industry and jail anyone who uses ‘hate’ to describe beautiful socialism led by bureaucratic centralization.

Posted by: Old Woman | Nov 16 2024 19:16 utc | 101

@ Ahenobarbus | Nov 16 2024 17:47 utc | 57
Doctorow’s reaction to Tulsi Gabbard as DNI is similar to mine (from a remarkable interview with Judge Nap):

If Biden, a really convinced Zionist, stood back and was not ready to give military assistance to Netanyahu for an attack on the nuclear installations or the hydrocarbon installations [of Iran], then why would Trump do that? Trump, who has come in on a platform of not starting new wars. Sounding bellicose and starting wars are not the same thing. And I have more confidence in his judgment after his appointment of Tulsi Gabbard to the post of reining in the three-letter agencies in the States. This is the most remarkable appointment. And I think there you see reason to take confidence that Trump is not a fool, not, nothing of the sort. He knows very well where his interests are and where the country’s interests are. Starting a war that is highly risky with Iran is not in American interest.

https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2024/11/15/transcript-of-judging-freedom-14-november-2024/
A “most remarkable appointment” indeed. Especially compared to big-chinned blowhard louts like Hegseth. Gabbard is getting a lot of respect from thoughtful commentators, and she deserves it. I flat-out don’t know what to make of it.
War with Iran: will he or won’t he? I’m not convinced by Doctorow’s optimism on that score. I have a hard time discerning the light side of Soleimani’s assassin.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 16 2024 19:16 utc | 102

Posted by: too scents | Nov 16 2024 16:04 utc |
“Trump isn’t playing against the West’s geopolitical adversaries. He is playing against the West’s proletariat.
Trump’s security State isn’t targeting them, its against you”
Say it too scents.
Trump? Hopium of the masses?
Well let’s just wait and see…

Posted by: SacredGeometry | Nov 16 2024 19:17 utc | 103

@c1ue
You misread me. *After* you have done all things to demilitarized and denazify (which you provided much more detail about than I did and which sounds entirely correct to me), who keeps the lights on in Ukraine?
Russia supervises an election? Russia installs a puppet? Icky Vicky runs another color revolution?
As I said I think the US be very happy to move to an insurgency just as after WW2.
Your point that Russia may simply be holding their cards close to their chest is entirely reasonable.
I’m just trying to see what is possible to put this to be indefinitely whether it is a Russian idea or a Chinese idea or a MoA idea.
I hope this finds you well

Posted by: ockham | Nov 16 2024 19:17 utc | 104

Brian Berletic has a very different view than b:
https://rumble.com/v5p8yjt-the-trump-administration-from-no-war-hawks-to-all-war-hawks
As always he backs up his view with relevant source material.
Mercouris has a strong bias towards Trump and Orban and conservative/libertarian in general. He has been an apologetic of Trump since 2016.
The US empire is still very powerful and both willing and capable of destruction all over the world.

Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 16 2024 19:19 utc | 105

@too scents #99
Trump won. Get over it.
He won because the wonderful Democrat party – the party of censorship, the party of war, the party of inflation, the party of breaking Bernie and betraying the working class they pretend to champion – LOST.
And lost in a historic fashion.
Your tears of unfathomable sadness are so delicious

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:20 utc | 106

Sorry, but this is complete nonsense from English Outsider:
But it’s not all sound and fury signifying nothing. In the case of the ME the American politicians have to bear in mind the strength of the voting bloc made up of the Evangelicals, Christian Zionists, Mormons and the various religious sects for who Israel First is an article of faith. That voting bloc is large, in the tens of millions. It was not one Biden wished to offend. It was a necessary component in the portion of the electorate that carried Trump to victory.
For one thing, only about 140M people voted combined. Secondly, the people to whom he refers primarily live in about 7 states, most of which are in the deep south and a few of which are out west (Utah, Idaho). Those states already go for Trump. They were not even in question, hence they didn’t not comprise a component in the portion of the electorate that “carried Trump to victory.” I doubt the total was even 8M people in this group. And all voted Trump last time and the time before.
Nope. What carried Trump to victory were two things: 1) Previous Biden voter apathy (see: Everyone I know who calls themselves “Liberal” or participates in Democratic Party politics) and 2) Switch votes from Biden to Trump. I was listening to some sideband on the Houston NPR station in the car the other day (wife leaves radio set to 88.7) and I was surprised, although maybe I shouldn’t have been, at how many “random” people they interviewed on some national show said they switched from Biden to Trump this time around. Probably 2/3 of the people they talked to – all men. None were religious nor did they cite any religious reasons – and in fact I would bet money that NPR intentionally censored out any people who mentioned Palestine (Ukraine seems a bi partisan thing – Americans hate “POOOOOTIN”).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 16 2024 19:21 utc | 107

Trump won. Get over it.
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:20 utc | 106

Reap the whirlwind.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 16 2024 19:22 utc | 108

@Old Woman #95
What too scents is, to me, is a credentialed type who sees his entire triumphant world view turned upside down because most Americans don’t agree with it.
This has been obvious to me for a long time.
Go back to the other thread on Trump where he spouts all sorts of utterly ludicrous nonsense attempting to say Trump is bad. Quite obvious cope.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:22 utc | 109

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:02 utc | 90
> Really? You don’t know what deNazification means? It means removing the Svoboda, Pravy Sektor etc people from government. It means removing the Azov, Kraken, Aidan etc brigades from the military. It means some type of legislation preventing a repeat of the Maidan.
Denazification is also a response to Ukraine decommunization laws.

Instrumental in drafting the laws were Ukrainian historian Volodymyr Viatrovych and politician Yuri Shukhevych.

Yuri is the son of Roman Shukhevych, a well known Nazi war criminal from WW2.

Posted by: hopehely | Nov 16 2024 19:23 utc | 110

Posted by: Old Woman | Nov 16 2024 19:05 utc | 93 Heredity can be a terrible thing.
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:09 utc | 96 Trump wasn’t on the ballot in a single House or Senate race. The phrase “blood simple” should be internalized by this commenter. Keep repeating when looking in a mirror.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 16 2024 19:25 utc | 111

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:15 utc | 100
> So I do not understand why you think Musk is going to be attacking anything in that sector.
I don’t, Nokaz claims that Trump and Musk are hostile towards the public sector. Follow the thread.

Posted by: hopehely | Nov 16 2024 19:30 utc | 112

I don’t know how Trump will bring the fighting in Ukraine to a close but I expect he will give Israel the green light to resolve the Palestinian problem once and for all.
Posted by: Mike Adamson | Nov 16 2024 17:59 utc | 64
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The Palestinians, the Yemeni, the Iranians, the Syrians, and the Lebanese have lost too many people for the cause of liberty over the last 13 months.
When Israel goes for a final solution, it will force a lot of hands.
The only way this ends for the Axis is a Palestinian state. Not because the Chinese and Russians support Palestine, are the “good guys”, or oppose America.
Iran will force the issue.
America is so far removed from being able to confront Iran militarily.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 16 2024 19:32 utc | 113

@ockham #104
The outcome which Russia obviously would like to see is a return to the previous system where voters would pick and then kick out leaders regularly based on their promises and performance, respectively, but all of which said leaders understood that Ukraine’s optimal geopolitical situation is to be neutral between Russia and the West.
Unfortunately, I am increasingly of the belief that the entire upper percentage of Ukrainian society are now addicted to the grift of trading Ukrainian deplorables’ lives for corrupt slices of Western aid money.
Or put in other terms: there used to be 2 groups of grifters in Ukraine: the pro Russia and the pro West ones. They would trade places and pass down the spoils to their supporters.
But the Biblical scale flood of Western money, I believe, has merged these 2 groups into 1.
We are talking generational wealth on an epic scale. Luxury purveyors of all kinds are setting records every year in Kiev, for example.
Why should this grifter class care if Russia kills more Ukrainians, when it is only the loser Ukrainians (i.e. those not in the grift) who die?
Given this – I personally think the most likely outcome is a collapse of the AFU followed by Ukraine becoming a landlocked shithole state, very probably not even including Kiev, over which Hungary, Poland and Romania will squabble.
In this outcome – all goals are accomplished since the neo-Nazis will no longer have anyone else to throw under the bus for their personal enrichment and political dominance.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:32 utc | 114

@too scents #108
The only whirlwind here is all the hot air coming out of you.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:33 utc | 115

The UK politicians, as we see have seen in the UK press, have their alibi ready for Ukraine. “We would have won had the Americans not let us down. They should have permitted deep strikes.
They talked a big pair.
If England had to put it up physically to Russia.
What would be the story!
Talk is cheap.

Posted by: jpc | Nov 16 2024 19:34 utc | 116

@hopehely #112
Even if Trump and Musk wanted to, they could not abolish the US government or even a double digit percentage of it.
And to be clear: I am not and have never been a believer or supporter of libertarian nonsense; I would not support that.
Trump is also not a libertarian.
But this does not mean that there is not epic waste, corruption and political skullduggery occurring in the US federal government today. All you have to do, is understand that the richest districts in the entire country are no longer in Manhattan or Silicon Valley or Houston – they are in Washington DC and its immediate suburbs in Virginia and Maryland.
Nokaz is just another variant of TDS.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:37 utc | 117

My son voted for Trump even though he had his reservations. He couldn’t take the Woke crap.
Posted by: Old Woman | Nov 16 2024 19:05 utc | 93
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“the woke crap” was something else before Republicans turned it into “woke crap.” But I agree that Democrats made it easy for the MAGA crowd to turn an anti-Racist term into a pro-gay (LGBQT) red flag. It’s kind of like all MAGA voters are low-class hillbillies: You can pin that one on Hillary Clinton, who I did not vote for either.
Woke only meant that some people were alert to and concerned about social injustice and discrimination. For example, most people who read and respond to MoA are opposed to the genocide in Gaza or the expansion of NATO towards Russia. In the West, most people are oblivious to these issues, but I know them. So, the anti-woke crowd is opposed to something only because they have also become woke to the issues themselves: You can’t oppose what you are unaware of; it is all political bullshit propaganda for small-minded people.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 16 2024 19:38 utc | 118

In my experience each successive US president is worse than the one before. I expect this trend to continue under Trump.
My hope is that the arrival of a new multipolar world will continue its advance and the existing unipolar power ‘rules-based-order’ will decline and retreat. ‘Shine perishing republic’…
The topic at item was also discussed on AJ’s Inside Story:
Trump Names Controversial Figures For New Cabinet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YldzWkiqzvo
“Donald Trump is set to begin his second term with daunting foreign policy challenges. The most pressing? – wars.
But his plans on Ukraine, Gaza and Lebanon lack detail and are vague. And the people he is choosing are controversial.
Marco Rubio, the nominee for Secretary of State, is hawkish on China. Defense Secretary pick Pete Hegseth thinks Israel should annex Occupied West Bank.
So do Trump’s choices signal his foreign policy to come…?”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 16 2024 19:39 utc | 119

“It looks as if Israel is heading for defeat”
You must be reading sources unknown to me. So far, by all accounts I have seen, Israel has been prosecuting a surgical but deck-clearing campaign that would make both William Tecumseh Sherman and Michael Corleone jealous.

Posted by: Henry | Nov 16 2024 19:41 utc | 120

@steven t johnson #111
I have zero hope that you have the least idea or have even bothered to educate yourself on the actual circumstances and details of Trump’s victory.
If you cannot understand how a Trump induced red wave, benefited all Republicans to varying degrees, then you are simply just too stupid to bother talking to.
Note this Trump induced Red Wave was not just traditional conservatives voting while traditional Democrats voted less. It was the majority of independents voting Trump as well as the majority of crossover voters (i.e. Democrats voting for a Republican or Republicans voting for a Democrat) voting for Trump.
I will further note that this is not a fluke.
What TDS idiots don’t understand, or refuse to understand, is that Trump gets low propensity voters to come out and vote. He did this in 2016, he did this in 2020 and he did this in 2024.
As such, the 2024 election was not a mandate for populists or Republicans – it is a mandate on Trump the man and the President of the United States.
2024 showed a clear pattern where the closer a candidate would embrace Trump and his positions, the closer the candidate would get votes in relaton to what Trump received in the same district – but almost nobody got more votes than Trump did, in any district.
This is what 2024 really means.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:45 utc | 121

@Henry #120
You are clearly reading bullshit purveyor sources.
Gaza is not pacified.
Hezbollah has kept Israel out of Lebanon.
Iran is not destroyed or even crippled militarily or economically.
The Israel economy, on the other hand, is sliding down and down and down.
So yes, Israel kills lots of babies and blows up lots of buildings – but they are quite obviously failing in their strategic goals i.e. they are losing.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:50 utc | 122

In my experience each successive US president is worse than the one before. I expect this trend to continue under Trump.
@ John Gilberts | Nov 16 2024 19:39 utc | 119

Trump’s first term was so painful, I had no idea Biden might turn it up another notch (as per usual, with US presidents). But it’s hard to top the spectacle of an open-air death-camp, live on your electronic companion. With the greater-than symbol (>) to connote worse-than, my expectation is:
47 > 46 > 45
All my life this pattern holds. Entropy, perhaps: the 2nd law of thermodynamic politics.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 16 2024 19:52 utc | 123

Viewing the machine as a centrefuge whereby the low density economic unit has its value extracted by means of its forced exploitation, it is surely evident that the resistance against weather the rotation is left or right is irrelevant.
In this scenario, the resistance should be directed at the centrifuge itself. Top down exploitation of value.

Posted by: SacredGeometry | Nov 16 2024 19:55 utc | 124

Yeah, you are right-all these immense bureaucratic US Federal agencies- controlled by parties not elected by the American people- should be allowed to grow bigger, restrain evil private industry and jail anyone who uses ‘hate’ to describe beautiful socialism led by bureaucratic centralization.
Posted by: Old Woman | Nov 16 2024 19:16 utc | 101
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Hey, Old cow, will the citizens be allowed to vote for who runs the corporations and who will control our lives? What you are talking about is a corporate dictatorship; we already have that. It is called the two-party system, where both parties are controlled by the corporations (the fucking ruling class). So put a fork in it, old hag.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 16 2024 19:58 utc | 125

The Trump hopium on display reminds me of the first Obama (s)election
The Trump cabinet is a bunch of trial balloons and the world keeps turning

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2024 20:03 utc | 126

Turcopolier.com is the Pat Lang site. It is now run by TTG.
The site has been unavailable the last few days re: name renewal?

Posted by: morongobill | Nov 16 2024 20:08 utc | 127

Mercouris has a strong bias towards Trump and Orban and conservative/libertarian in general. He has been an apologetic of Trump since 2016.
The US empire is still very powerful and both willing and capable of destruction all over the world.
Posted by: Hamburger | Nov 16 2024 19:19 utc | 105
I first want to say that I agree with b that Trump’s Presidency “will be judged by the extent to which he managed, even before his inauguration, to bring these horrors (Ukraine and Palestine) to an end.”
Second, I agree that Mercouris, whom I respect, has a bias towards Trump and Orban, as does his colleague Alex.
They also do not follow events in West Asia and Palestine with particular interest and lack proper understanding. They are not a good source for events in Palestine and WA.

Posted by: JB | Nov 16 2024 20:11 utc | 128

After the delivery stop: gas attack on the wallet

Due to irregular deliveries in the past, an arbitration court awarded OMV [Austrian Gas and Oil Company] 230 million euros last week. The debtor: Russia’s Gazprom. OMV wanted to suspend payments for gas until the sum had been settled. The Russians reacted by cutting off gas supplies. The supply was stopped on Saturday morning. However, the Austrian Federal Chancellor, OMV Austrian Gas and Oil Company and E-Control government regulator for electricity and natural gas markets in Austria guarantee: The supply for this winter is secured.

Most voted readers’ comment:

Should we now pretend again that the government is great anyway and that Putin did this on a whim? Unprovoked, of course. Slava something or other

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Posted by: Passerby | Nov 16 2024 20:11 utc | 129

@ A. Pols | Nov 16 2024 18:23 utc | 72
yes – there is some site that continues on, because i posted on it less then a month ago in response to someone sharing a link with ttg, english outsider and a few other of the previous regulars at pat langs site… i can’t find it, but it was out their less then 1 month ago.. don’t know what it is called now, but ttg was overseeing it.. i see @ morongobill | Nov 16 2024 20:08 utc | 127 just answered you..
@ c1ue | Nov 16 2024 18:33 utc | 74
blame ukraine on biden idea… okay.. trump could do that, but the problem won’t go away any time soon.. it is a festering sore and how does it go away?? you noted the nazi groups in your post @ 90.. these groups were strengthened to make this an ongoing conflict not meant to be resolved in any way whatsoever… as english outsider says – ‘defeat’ but it is going to take more then trump walking away from ukraine… if trump walked away from nato, it becomes more conceivable, but what are the chances of that?? what the usa has spent countless years cultivating, thanks its neo con agenda – is going to take a lot more work then trump walking away from ukraine.. thanks for your posts!
@ ockham | Nov 16 2024 18:45 utc | 80 // and post @ 104
thanks ockham… what russia decides in all of this will be more decisive then anything trump does or doesn’t do.. it can help the usa have a soft landing as opposed to a hard landing – if that is even possible at this point.. i share @ lex talionis | Nov 16 2024 16:31 utc | 21 viewpoint in that the usa is on a downward slope… maybe trump can effect some turnaround with regard to ukraine, but it is hard to envision here for me…
and response from @ c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:02 utc | 90
thanks c1ue…. how does one get rid of that nazi apparatus?? easier said then done..
@ Henry | Nov 16 2024 19:41 utc | 120
is genocide a new definition for success?? i can’t see it myself even if the msm is saying ‘israel is winning’ or whatever they are saying today..

Posted by: james | Nov 16 2024 20:19 utc | 130

Posted by: Henry | Nov 16 2024 19:41 utc | 120
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LOL.
Thanks for the humor.
Israel has been killing people with impunity in West Asia for 70 years.
What has changed is that they are economically in trouble, millions have fled the country, investment has ground to a halt, and they are scared to face Iran again.
Work this situation in reverse.
How can Israel establish enough peace to return settlers to the North, open the shipping lanes, and remove all of Hamas from Gaza, while restoring its international reputation?
How can they do any of that, let alone all of it? And Russia has provided Iran with men and equipment that far outpaces anything the Israelis can bring to bear.
Trump’s Israel died on Oct 8th last year. That was the spiritual end of the Abraham Accords, that was the end of the Indian trade corridor to rival the Belt and Road, and that was the end of the annexation of Syria into Israel.
How will Trump handle this?
While it hurts my heart to think of Trump bombing and starving 5-year-old children to death (he will do it, and MAGA people will cheer for it), the faster the tempo, the sooner Israel collapses and America shortly after. In the long run, the world will be better off without America and Israel. Both can come back when they rediscover their humanity. Maybe a mass of genuine Orthodox Jews can return to live peacefully in Palestine under Islamic rulership as they have successfully several times in history.
After all, if the Palestinians were not so open and compassionate, the Zionists would never have been able to stage the Nakba. It was welcoming in the Jews after WW2 that precipitated Jews throwing Palestinians out of their ancestral homes and forcing them into a ghetto and concentration camp conditions.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 16 2024 20:20 utc | 131

I disagree with the premise of the argument that Trump is an agent of change. The US is stuck with cheap produce from China and wealthy DP profiteers.
What is Trump going to do about the Muslim Ummah taking revenge against the West for Genociding the Muslims in Sham?
Own the genocide? Get his rabid dogs to own the genocide? This navel-gazibg about an unborn Potus is just American masterbation . Does the US really think that anything it does interests anybody in the disgusted 87% RoW or the disgusted 13% in their own Garden?
It appears that the cullers of Ukraine and Palestine human beings still think that genociding humanity is a boring chore duty they have to do.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 16 2024 20:21 utc | 132

B: Trump’s Presidency will be judged not by the success of his internal reforms. It will be judged by the extent to which he managed, even before his inauguration, to bring these horrors to an end.”
I think that he will not bring these horrors to an end. He will support full speed the extermination policy of the judeonazis.
I think that we are closer to ww3 with that clown. I hope I am wrong.
maba: make america bankrupt again.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2024 20:35 utc | 133

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:45 utc | 121 Senator Kari Lake and Governor Mark Robinson thank you for the validation. Your check is in the mail.
The massive Trump majority in the House is nor more a Red Wave than six foot man being a giant because he’s taller than the five foot nine dude.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 16 2024 20:36 utc | 134

So yes, Israel kills lots of babies and blows up lots of buildings – but they are quite obviously failing in their strategic goals i.e. they are losing.
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:50 utc | 122
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Why are you speaking so negatively about Trump’s precious Israel that he will do everything in his power for?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 16 2024 20:37 utc | 135

The Trump cabinet is a bunch of trial balloons and the world keeps turning
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 16 2024 20:03 utc | 126
If I understood right, every one must be accepted by the congress. Or am I wrong?

Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2024 20:38 utc | 136

every one must be accepted by the congress. Or am I wrong?
Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2024 20:38 utc | 136

Ultimately it rests with the Supreme Court to decide if recess appointments will be allowed.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 16 2024 20:42 utc | 137

So far, by all accounts I have seen, Israel has been prosecuting a surgical but deck-clearing campaign that would make both William Tecumseh Sherman and Michael Corleone jealous.
Posted by: Henry | Nov 16 2024 19:41 utc | 120
Flattening Gaza City (a city of around 600’000 people) and other cities in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon is “surgical” for you? I think it is a disgusting thing to say, that Israel is prosecuting a surgical campaign.

Posted by: NoName | Nov 16 2024 20:48 utc | 138

@james #130
Re: Ukraine
What problem? What exactly prevents the US from just walking away?
NATO’s reputation? Already gone.
The US’ military reputation? Already damaged.
The sunk costs? Already sunk.
Re: Nazis
A landlocked Ukraine rump state would be fine if the entire rest of Ukraine becomes Russia. “Ukraine as all of the parts of value in the former Ukraine SSR” is deNazified and the military threat removed, whatever the “Ukraine, a pitiful remnant with the name Ukraine” actually does or does not do.
Nor am I the least bit impressed by neocon fantasies of a grinding insurgency – the ongoing attrition of the AFU is seeing to that.
The elite wankers sending farmboys and the working class to their death in the Donbass, they won’t be in Ukraine as they will have fled to the West with their corrupt riches.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 20:52 utc | 139

Naive | Nov 16 2024 20:38 utc | 136–
Not all but many as this Wiki shows. It says: “A 2012 Congressional Research Service study estimated that approximately 1200–1400 positions require Senate confirmation.” One notable omission is the Presidential Chief of Staff, but most will need to survive the Senate Gauntlet.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 16 2024 20:54 utc | 140

@LoveDonbass #135
You are assuming that.
Among other things: while Trump has a Jewish son-in-law – he also has a Lebanese son-in-law. Said Lebanese son-in-law worked hard in Michigan for Trump.
So as with all ass-u-me views, we will see.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 20:54 utc | 141

What the Trump admin wants to do and what it actually can do are very different things. Not to mention that Trump is not famous for his attention span or attention to detail.
I think he’ll be trapped in Ukraine. Partly because he’ll be pissy when Putin doesn’t do what Trump tells him to do and trump can’t give Putin a real deal. He also can’t fully control Zelensky. He can stop sending money and leave it in Europe’s lap. But he could just as easily go the other way because he’s pissy Putin doesn’t do what he’s told.
In west Asia he’s going to make everything significantly worse. He’s owned by Adelson’s wife and the one trait almost everyone in his inner orbit shares is Christian Zionism. But it’s a poison pill. Israel needs an American president that would bring it to heel. That’s probably the only thing that could save it in the medium term. Instead it will get carte blanch for its worst instincts. How far Trump will go in actively supporting those instincts is the question.
In East Asia he’s going to fuck it up in ways few of us can even imagine. A trade war with China will force the hand of nearly every other Asian country, but the U.S. has less and less to offer them. Nor does it have the ability to effectively project power in East Asia, especially with ongoing requirements in Europe and West Asia.
The most likely outcome is that Trump makes emotional decisions that put the U.S. in significantly worse positions than it is now (and they’re pretty bad).

Posted by: Lex | Nov 16 2024 20:57 utc | 142

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:37 utc | 117
Re: Richest ZIP codes/areas – Yes. But that doesn’t mean Silicon Valley isn’t among the top 10 or 20 richest areas anymore. Also don’t forget what I believe to be THE richest ZIP code(s) outside of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, NM where Los Alamos and other DOE and military-ish work is done. Not to imply there are a ton of millionaires or billionaires, but the per capita household income is high across the board.
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:45 utc | 121
I fail to see how this counts as simply a “Red Wave” – it’s more akin to what happened to the Tories in the UK. Severe apathy among previous Biden voters leading to a massive gap in # of votes for Team Blue compared to 2020. For President, Trump came in about 3M votes fewer than in 2020 and the Dems lost a staggering 12 or 13M over that same time period*. I’d also point out that even in some of the areas/states carried heavily by Trump, voters chose to enact minimum wage, cannabis and abortion related issues that easily qualify as “progressive” but Democrats lost both House and Senate races as well as the Presidency.
* Leaving the stupid election rigging/vote theft conspiracy theories aside, the 2020 election was pretty unique in that it was during the COVID protocols, which added up to 6 days to vote in some places, drive-up and mail-in ballots were much higher, and the country was dealing with pandemic and Trump fatigue (the latter of which I have no problem attributing to biased media coverage and the nonsense Ukraine impeachment proceedings, among other things outside of Trump’s control).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 16 2024 20:58 utc | 143

@140 Cont’d–
The issue of Recess Appointments is discussed here.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 16 2024 20:58 utc | 144

So far, by all accounts I have seen, Israel has been prosecuting a surgical but deck-clearing campaign that would make both William Tecumseh Sherman and Michael Corleone jealous.
Posted by: Henry | Nov 16 2024 19:41 utc | 120
Watch this map. Grey parts: buildings, white part: farmland and other stuff except buildings, red parts destroyed.
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/05/gaza-destruction-map-israel-hamas

Posted by: NoName | Nov 16 2024 20:59 utc | 145

As long as the Senate leadership allows recess appointments (by allowing the Senate to go on recess and not hold pro-forma session while people are out), then the constitution allows recess appointments made until the end of the new Senate session … a little under two years, maximally.
Thune has already said he would allow recess for the president. So it will be up to Trump to determine whether to use this. Two years is a long time.

Posted by: Caliman | Nov 16 2024 21:00 utc | 146

@Naive #136
You are wrong.
Cabinet positions, most of them, have to be confirmed by the Senate by a simple majority – not all of Congress.
But even then, there are recess appointments where the confirmation process is simply bypassed.
This is not without precedent – Obama made 32 recess appointments through his start until early 2015 Wiki article on recess appointments
The only role the House of Representatives plays in confirmation is to refuse to have a recess, thus preventing the possibility of a recess appointment.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 21:00 utc | 147

Very thoughtful and balanced as always b)
The elephant in the room is China. Trump and the MAGA movement are desperate to pivot against China.
Does this mean both Ukraine and the Middle East will be sorted out quickly ? As their whole focus as always been on China ? Who knows.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 16 2024 21:04 utc | 148

@Tom_Q_Collins #143
Historic percentage of Hispanics votes for a Republican since records began in the 1970s? Check
More votes than 2020, which in turn was more votes than 2016? And all without literally tens of millions of hinky mail-in ballots and truncated or absent anti-fraud measures? Check
Massive lawfare, massive mainstream media attacks, being outspent, Check Check Check
Outperformed vs. 2020 in literally every single precinct in the entire United States, including Washington DC? Check
You can keep denying reality, but facts are facts yo.
As for richest Zip codes: you still are either refusing or failing to understand the point. The washington DC/Virginia/Maryland zip codes DID NOT USED TO BE THE RICHEST.
This is a recent phenomenon. As in the last 2 decades. In 2013 – DC was merely top 5%.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 21:07 utc | 149

c1ue @96: “Trump increased his support from literally every single demographic except the rich post-graduate educated (i.e. rich) demo.”
I would love to see this broken down a little further into STEM and non-STEM grads. My money is on STEM grads having swung hard for Trump, while the university Special Ed students went solidly for Harris. The only reason it looks like the crazies have the college educated crowd sewn up is because most domestic students enroll in degree programs that you can show up to class hung-over, or even shit-faced drunk, and still pass with honors (non-STEM) while most STEM students are international students and cannot vote in US elections. The domestic STEM students pretty much disappear in that mix.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2024 21:09 utc | 150

My own personal view is that Ukraine and the Middle East are problems, Trump and the MAGA movement never ever wanted. They thought they had sorted both during Trumps first term. Which was a ridiculous notion in the first place as his actions just made both situations worse.
China, China, China, China, China has always been their target.
That hatred for China will be the driving force behind Trumps actions in both Ukraine and the Middle East. As they are a distraction regarding his true focus.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 16 2024 21:11 utc | 151

Posted by: Old Woman | Nov 16 2024 19:16 utc | 101
I don’t understand why you curse socialists, but that incarceration in the US has increased since Reagan privatised the prisons, When Reagan took office in 1980, the total prison population was 329,000, and when he left office eight years later, the prison population had essentially doubled, to 627,000.
SO, to me ,this is another thing that has just gotten worse in these decades of neoliberalisation.
There is no need to fear being jailed for hating socialism. Otherwise, US capitalism is putting more people in jail along with privatisation.

Posted by: Nokaz | Nov 16 2024 21:12 utc | 152

karofi 140 – interesting point, but remember since the Republicans control both the Senate and the House, the Majority Leader and Speaker can adjourn their respective houses for the required ten day period at any time after 1/1/25 and this will allow the recess appointments (as many as the POTUS wants to be made) to take place, although most likely these recess appointments will be made after 12:01 PM on 1/21/25.
POTUS and Reps are in the drivers seat thanks to an utterly dysfunctional Democrat candidate – Kamyhoe Harris………..truly a remarkable moron !!

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 16 2024 21:15 utc | 153

Tulsi Gabbard’s been accused of being a “Russian asset” RT reports. The story’s a howler by the deranged Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Meanwhile, the Ds want Musk “probed” for Russian ties. The Ds initiated the war on Russia with Truman, reinitiated it with Clinton, and have lost it with Biden–a contest that began because US Imperialists didn’t want to share their profits with the public at large, and they still don’t.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 16 2024 21:16 utc | 154

A “most remarkable appointment” indeed. Especially compared to big-chinned blowhard louts like Hegseth. Gabbard is getting a lot of respect from thoughtful commentators, and she deserves it. I flat-out don’t know what to make of it.
War with Iran: will he or won’t he? I’m not convinced by Doctorow’s optimism on that score. I have a hard time discerning the light side of Soleimani’s assassin.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 16 2024 19:16 utc | 102
I totally agree. I hope she’s confirmed. She gets it on foreign policy and the intelligence agencies. It helps that she actually has experience as a soldier.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 16 2024 21:17 utc | 155

Posted by: too scents | Nov 16 2024 20:42 utc | 137
Thanks!

Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2024 21:20 utc | 156

DJT won remarkable levels of Catholic voters for a Republican/Conservative candidate, he beat the anti Catholic bigot Kamyhoe Harris by 15 percentage points among Catholics, he also racked up precedent setting margins among Black males and Hispanics too.
Harris openly mocked Catholics and other folks of various Christian denominations……pay back was a bitch…….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 16 2024 21:20 utc | 157

The greatest irony of this moment in history are TPTB using DJT to stall the DJT phenomenon.
With each passing moment, the elephant in the room gets bigger. And the lack of addressing being paid verbally to the behemoth is unbearably disquieting. The fact that America is not behaving like a nation-state is increasingly being called-out: why would a nation-state identify its core interest in that of another country (Israel or Ukraine)?
Doesn’t a nation-state have a uniform culture? Language? A sacred border?
All of these things are becoming increasingly eroded. The DJT phenomenon has emerged in reaction to this project of empire. Its underlying driving force is anger: why is our government actively weakening the nation-state? The proof of this betrayal is the inability to be cruel with regards to national interests. Americans First.
DJT will not be cruel. He will not close the border nor deport tens of millions here not paying taxes meanwhile receiving social services. He will not turn a blind eye to Ukraine or Israel and condemn them to disintegration. At the very least, he will freeze these conflicts and support them on the sly, buying time. A token Federal Department will be gutted, most likely the DEI, but this was always the plan: government always sets up fat in times of plenty to be sacrificed in lean years. But, overall, Trump will keep spending and will probably eclipse Biden.
DJT is a pressure release valve to counteract the emerging phenomenon that came to the front simultaneously when DJT ascended to popularity.
Merit and power often go hand-in-hand. Although sometimes brute power overwhelms capability through imitation and forgery. This is not capitalism’s fault, per se, and we get closer to the culprit when we identify the deep state that clumsily situates a people in such a manner believing that the maintenance of such an arrangement can continue indefinitely. It can not.
In Heidegger’s interview with Der Spiegel, “Only a God can save us,” the interviewer continually asks the philosopher and other philosophers for help.
Heidegger simply replies, “I can’t help you.” But the interview is still worth a read and very illuminating.
DJT is like a life preserver thrown from a Ghost Ship.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 16 2024 21:20 utc | 158

@too scents #99
Trump won. Get over it.
He won because the wonderful Democrat party – the party of censorship, the party of war, the party of inflation, the party of breaking Bernie and betraying the working class they pretend to champion – LOST.
And lost in a historic fashion.
Your tears of unfathomable sadness are so delicious
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 19:20 utc | 106
Definitely an important thing to keep in mind. On both occasions, he won precisely because his opponents were blood soaked war mongers that despise the working class.
If he fails the workers and someone better appears, they will drop him like a hot potato. There is no Trump magic, he’s simply better than the nuclear war Dems.
On this score, I feel that if he doesn’t make good on his Ukraine promise, at least, a mass anti war movement is likely to emerge.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 16 2024 21:22 utc | 159

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 21:00 utc | 147
Thanks.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2024 21:23 utc | 160

In response to Johan Kaspar@54,
Am I understanding correctly that you view the “rules-based order” as another term for “international anarchy” of which you also believe “international law” to somehow be a subset?
The article in the original post was actually quite well written in succinctly spelling out the differences between a political term like “rules-based order” where none of the rules are ever formalized or even stated explicitly, and which only applies whenever it is politically expedient for the handful of states that unilaterally promote it, and “international law” which sovereign nations ascribe to of their own volition and which is underpinned by a defined legal framework. Another big nuance comes from the body of international law growing from legal precedents, while the rules-based order instead employs double-standards and makes special exceptions. In short, RBO is a parallel body of “soft law” which is undefined, applies universally without consent, and is enforced unevenly and arbitrarily.
Although the author went to great lengths to obfuscate his main conclusion, he places the blame for Russia’s military intervention into Ukraine squarely on the US and the West and their adoption of the nebulous political term of the “rules-based order” to supplant international law, setting a precedent for other states or blocks to essentially form their own RBO’s, and he also essentially argues that the continued adherence to this model by the Western block actually legitimizes the Russian SMO. It’s an interesting read.

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 16 2024 21:24 utc | 161

He only has his first 100 days to deal with China. Then he will never get another chance. As he can’t run again.
After the first 100 days the wheels of the blob turn to try and achieve what was announced during those first 100 days. Then before you know it they are back into another election cycle.
If large parts of the first 100 days are taken up by Ukraine and the Middle East. He will be furious.
We are all going to have to listen to some weird bullshit propaganda regarding China. What’s new ?
Their speciality is building strawmen they can easily knock down. Oh yes, the American people will fall for it hook line and sinker as Trump has the American public under his spell.
The bullshit is going to be amplified hundred times worse than his first term.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 16 2024 21:25 utc | 162

Tobias Cole | Nov 16 2024 21:15 utc | 153–
Thanks for your reply. New members of Congress meet on 3 January as per the 20th Amendment, then a joint session is held on 6 January to count Electoral votes to finalize the POTUS election process. Once done, a recess could then be called, but Trump isn’t POTUS yet, so there’s no reason to do so at that time. Later perhaps depending on the flack his nominees encounter.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 16 2024 21:25 utc | 163

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 16 2024 20:54 utc | 140
Thanks!

Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2024 21:27 utc | 164

I noticed that HS mapping is now showing Russian advances with kilometers referenced, so maybe you can estimate sqkm gained.
Things have changed…

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 16 2024 21:28 utc | 165

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 16 2024 20:54 utc | 140
Thanks!

Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2024 21:28 utc | 166

The “Trump Derangement Syndrome” posters in this thread are truly tragic cases. Instead of doing some soul-searching on how they could have gotten everything so wrong, and thus starting the personal healing process, they flee further from reality and more firmly embrace delusion. So sad…
The TDS people ran a campaign solely on “Vote for the lesser evil!”, and Americans did just that. Sadly, the TDS people’s minds are so far gone they cannot see they are the greater evil.
Just for context, history’s villains never just wake up one day and say “I think I’m going to make being the ultimate evil my goal in life.” In 100% of the cases they believe themselves to be the “good guys” with the best morals. People embracing delusion are much more likely to unwittingly take the detour into evil, thinking they are doing the right thing. That’s you TDS people.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2024 21:30 utc | 167

POTUS and Reps are in the drivers seat thanks to an utterly dysfunctional Democrat candidate – Kamyhoe Harris………..truly a remarkable moron !!
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 16 2024 21:15 utc | 153
I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on a nonentity like Kamala. The voters largely rejected the Dems, not just Kamala.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 16 2024 21:31 utc | 168

Were the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki surgical strikes?
Was the fire bombing of Dresden and 60 other German cities by the RAF surgical strikes?
Was Generals Sherman and Sheridan’s burning, looting, raping, killing and farmland destruction of the Confederate States surgical?
The destruction of Gaza City and Rafah closely resembles the destruction of Berlin in WWII, most of the concrete housing structures in these two densely populated cities have been utterly blasted by US M84 block buster ordinance supplied to the IDF.
There is nothing surgical about destroying hospitals, aid stations, fire stations, police stations, water systems, sewer systems, apartment blocks and homes, food warehouses, tent cities, churchss/mosques, UN shelters, ambulance stations, and CD stations.
These are all IDF war crimes, committed by war criminals….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 16 2024 21:31 utc | 169

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 20:54 utc | 141
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I don’t have to assume.
I have the words of Little Marco Rubio (Secretary of State) and Vivek Ramaswamy.
I understand if you have personal reasons to hate Palestinian Arabs or Muslims in general. I don’t think it is wise or informed, but I understand how hate works in American minds.
That said, unless you hate Muslims (and Palestinian Christians from the birthplace of Christ), you really have no way to squirm out of Trump’s support for mass murder in West Asia.
Clearly, if Trump opposed the Genocide he wouldn’t have selected these men to serve in and speak for his government.
Remember, Biolabs were built and maintained in Ukraine under Trump. Which biology were they targeting?
And if you say Trump didn’t know, then how do you know that he will be better informed and more responsible this time around?
Do you remember how much Trump crowed about sending Javelins to Ukraine as they were conducting genocide on the Russian speakers in the East of the country?
Believe what you want to believe. Please don’t try to gaslight the bar with BS that many Americans enjoy eating up.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 16 2024 21:34 utc | 170

too scents | Nov 16 2024 20:42 utc | 137
it rests with the Supreme Court to decide if recess appointments will be allowed.

Yet another non American outs himself?
While I am definitely a Trump doubter, engineering Thune to allow Vance to declare the Senate in recess is recognized by those who understand the game as a parliamentary masterstroke.
That means every nominee starts working the moment Trump takes the oath.
And, for those of us who lived not only under the Biden steal and Nuland war, but the 4 years of treason under Trump 1.0, we can dream of resignations among the 3-4 stars, as well as mass arrests of everyone else ranging from Fouci to Comey, et al.

Posted by: Markw | Nov 16 2024 21:34 utc | 171

@ c1ue | Nov 16 2024 20:52 utc | 139
thanks… so what is it?? trump walks away, or trump makes a deal with putin?? they don’t look the same to me…if he walks away from ukraine – no financial support is what i think means ‘walking away’ – fine.. i can’t see it, but it is premature to say.. but if it is ‘lets make a deal’ with putin, i’m not sure that is anything like ‘trump walks away’.. at present he is on record talking of making a deal with putin.. usually this is all hollywood type optics where there is the good guy and the bad guy… i am very tired of this screen writing myself…
@ Lex | Nov 16 2024 20:57 utc | 142
that is a lot closer to my thinking here, even if it is premature to say… i want to remain hopeful on the new ”hopey changy” president, but time is going to tell soon enough.. i always enjoy your commentary lex.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Nov 16 2024 21:36 utc | 172

Mike Waltz = “a strong champion of my America First Foreign Policy agenda, and a tremendous champion of our pursuit of Peace through Strength!” trump’s words.
Peace through strength… LOL! Impossible when one is not the strongest. Russia has the nukes which no defense system can intercept, China has the men and the weapon manufacturing capacity.
Further: western leaders are cowards. (See France in May-June 1940.)
Peace through strength… translation: peace through war, peace through ultimatum which cannot be accepted.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2024 21:37 utc | 173

These are all IDF war crimes, committed by war criminals….
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 16 2024 21:31 utc | 169
Or rather crimes against humanity.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 16 2024 21:39 utc | 174

engineering Thune to allow Vance to declare the Senate in recess is recognized by those who understand the game as a parliamentary masterstroke.
Posted by: Markw | Nov 16 2024 21:34 utc | 171

The Supreme Court will have to answer the challenge.
An inauspicious start.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 16 2024 21:40 utc | 175

Posted by: Ed | Nov 16 2024 19:58 utc | 125
I could be mistaken, but I think you missed the heaping pile of sarcasm in the old hag’s post.

Posted by: Mary | Nov 16 2024 21:40 utc | 176

Communist Party of USA on the working-class vote
https://www.cpusa.org/article/the-working-class-vote-in-the-2024-elections/

Posted by: JB | Nov 16 2024 21:43 utc | 177

James – if it was you on the Colonel’s old site before it went down I owe you an apology. I wrote far too sharply and regretted it. Your will forgive me, I hope, if I explain that I was commenting on the SMO on English sites since the start. And rapidly became allergic to the “Kremlin Troll” or “How much is Putin paying you?” rejoinders that I received. So I took some innocent remarks wrong and, as said, regretted it.
As to “defeat”, the extent of the defeat we in the West will suffer in Ukraine will be defined by what the Russians will regard as victory. The four oblasts recovered, that’s for sure. More of the old Party of Regions arc? There are going to be many Russians angry if not, is all one can say, given that the war has ballooned to the extent it has.
The Russians won’t want to occupy remnant Ukraine if they can avoid it. Costly and would look bad. The larger Brics countries would be very uneasy to see boundaries altered to that extent. They have enough boundary problems of their own to cope with and though they are now, reluctantly, prepared to accept that boundary alteration is necessary in this particular case, they won’t like to see too much of it.
And the Africans, many of whom see this war as a straight anti-colonial struggle with the West, with the Russians on the side of the angels, will see the war quite differently if the Russians absorb whatever remnant Ukraine turns out to be.
But that was how it looked a while back. It may be different now. I don’t think that our politicians understand how much our supporting and assisting with the atrocities in Gaza have damned us in the eyes of the wider world. We stand revealed as very definitely not on the side of the angels and that wider world will now be more understanding when they see the Russians dealing with the problem of remnant Ukraine, the problem we in the West have after all set them, as best they can.
Different also is the population mix from the mix that obtained in 2022. Apart from the fact that the population is severely reduced – Sleboda reckons maybe 25 million but I’ve seen estimates going as low as 17 million – there have been large flows both ways over the last two years. The extremists, if they have any sense, will have fled to Poland or Germany. And many Ukrainians will be looking at the money the Russians are already putting in to what they’ve currently recovered and contrasting that with the exiguous support they are likely to get from the EU and US.
Then there’s the bit I haven’t seen any of the experts look at. The Russians presumably won’t see themselves as liable for the debts the old Ukraine incurred. Will those debts all be loaded on to remnant Ukraine? If so, and given that Kiev seems to have sold much of the Ukrainian land and resources to Western investors already, life’s going to be tough in remnant Ukraine. We also don’t know how much the resentment against the forced recruiting has turned the people against Kiev.
Given all those uncertainties, we don’t know how the Russian victory will play out in territorial terms. Therefore we don’t know what our defeat will look like. As a “Donbass troll” – I’ve been following events in the Donbass for the last decade now and don’t at all like what we’ve been doing there – I trust it’ll mean that the people of the Donbass, one hopes of the entirety of the country, will finally get some peace and quiet. My reading, and it’s entirely a subjective one and I can’t back it up, is that all they’ve ever really wanted is to be finally left alone to get on with their lives.

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 16 2024 21:45 utc | 178

. So far, by all accounts I have seen, Israel has been prosecuting a surgical but deck-clearing campaign.
Posted by: Henry | Nov 16 2024 19:41 utc | 120
If by “surgical” you mean flattening hospitals, slaughtering patients & medical staff alike, then sure, “surgical” strikes.
And by “deck clearing” you mean flattening 70% of homes, businesses, schools, school children, infrastructure, women & babies with tanks, razing Gaza, & starving every one they miss, then sure, the vicious, sick, murderous filth are “clearing the decks.” Genocide, by any other name.
Otherwise, you need better sources.

Posted by: Mary | Nov 16 2024 21:51 utc | 179

Posted by: Ed | Nov 16 2024 19:38 utc | 118
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How “woke” started is not what “woke” became and, more important, has come to stand for.
Namely, a whole suite of over-the-top versions of reasonable concerns.
That, most important, became politicized and weaponized and are currently used to trigger extreme emotions and reactions in millions of Americans.
Especially women and the young.
And these triggers then become tools for minorities of various sorts to seek to impose their narrow concerns on whole swaths of national policy and public discourse.
The UK is far deeper in the grip of woke ideology(ies) than the USA.
One random example—not even a good one, but you get the idea:
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/11/15/put-climate-change-and-diversity-at-heart-of-school-curriculum-oxford-and-cambridge-exam-board-tells-labour/

Posted by: Jane | Nov 16 2024 21:51 utc | 180

Way I see it, thinking about it what I posted earlier.
He’s not going to able to achieve 20% of what he promised during the run up to the election. Regardless of his picks.
He doesn’t have 30 years to do it. He has 100 days. All of which can be easily reversed by the establishment when they win again.
This is probably the reality on the ground rather than all the noise at the moment. It took Thatcher’s advisers 11 years and Reagan advisers 8 years to get started and their projects still aren’t finished nearly 50 years later as they didn’t work.
What we are probably going to see after the noise drifts away is technocracy and popu­lism merge and come together. To form technopopulism. Which go hand in hand and will be combined with one another.
That will be the history of Trumps presidency. Technopopulism will become The new face of conservatism. What the right have been fighting over. In full view of everybody.
In many ways, technopopulism exemplifies the contemporary crisis of democracy: on the one hand, it feeds on a widespread sense of dissatisfaction with the quality of democratic representation; on the other, by widening the existing chasm be­tween society and politics, it further exacerbates that sense of dis­satisfaction, in a dangerous feedback loop.
Voters will be even more disillusioned and disconnected from their leaders than ever before. After Trump walks away after achieving very little as just like Thatcher and Reagan before him. His policies won’t work as advertised.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 16 2024 22:02 utc | 181

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 16 2024 21:07 utc | 149
You yourself said “red wave” when in fact NONE of the items you ‘check’ off indicate any sort of wave. Again, more apathy and disgust, i.e., a negative – not a positive.
There weren’t more votes than 2020 for President. Both parties lost votes in the millions. I think 2020 saw something like 15M MORE votes for Trump and Biden combined. Trump himself lost 3M, last time I saw the popular vote figures.
If you want to talk about Senate – it gets more complicated. It depends on WHICH chairs in WHICH states are up for vote. And yes, in general the turnout has increased every year since 2018. So what?
A record number of Hispanics voting for the Republican is also not indicative of any sort of “red wave” – unless you can demonstrate actual numbers and that it was enough in any particular place to swing the elections to the GOP at the HoR, Senate and Presidential levels.
>>”Outperformed vs. 2020 in literally every single precinct in the entire United States, including Washington DC? Check”
Again – The Dems UNDERperformed in those areas while the GOP either stayed the same or went up slightly, but not enough to actually flip anything, including those where they even had a chance.
>>”As for richest Zip codes: you still are either refusing or failing to understand the point. The washington DC/Virginia/Maryland zip codes DID NOT USED TO BE THE RICHEST.”
No, that’s exactly what I said, grandpa. I just added that it’s similar in other areas where government lobbyists and contractors are to be found in abundance, including Los Alamos and Silicon Valley.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 16 2024 22:08 utc | 182

1 The Russian Federation will achieve their objectives
2 The west will keep all the frozen assets indefinitely
3 The west will never remove sanctions
4 The west will never allow sanctioned banks back into SWIFT
5 BRICS will continue to grow.
6 BRICS will make their own reserve currency to replace the USD.
7 The US will continue to print USD until the interest on the debt causes the US to default eventually.
The world is splitting into 2 trade blocks and eventually BRICS will win.

Posted by: Kaiama | Nov 16 2024 22:11 utc | 183

As in Britain it is both high treason and blasphemy to believe that the electoral process is massively swayed by algorithms by the deep state.
Everybody knows Trump is a Zionist and yet Americans have somehow persuaded themselves that voting for Trump is nothing to do with supporting genocide.
The impression that gives to the rest of the world is that the former slavers and ethic genociders are still brazen slavers and ethnic genociders.
Americans are either electirally manipulated or emotionally manipulated.
I don’t understand how the US is 73% composed of mad men and women.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 16 2024 22:13 utc | 184

Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma
“Fars News Agency, citing an informed source:
– We deny the claim of American media that Iran has provided guarantees not to pursue any action against Trump
– The message conveyed to Washington is that Iran will pursue action against the killers of Qassem Soleimani”

Posted by: Ornot | Nov 16 2024 22:13 utc | 185

@ English Outsider | Nov 16 2024 21:45 utc | 178
thanks… yes, i did post their less then a month ago.. someone here at moa had shared the link and i didn’t realize it was back running..apology accepted,but not needed! i only posted and then never went back to see the responses! in fact, i just figured ttg moderating it probably wouldn’t go thru..
it seems the focus on the ‘defeat’ here is more on how the west processes this.. that makes sense.. i am like you and have been following this since prior to the maiden events in 2014 and appreciate the concerns of the people of the donbass and how i am sure they just want to be left alone to live their lives without the aggression from those national facists in ukraine with ongoing support from ‘us’ – the west…
the points you articulate in this post are also very good and i appreciate your commentary.. thanks for sharing and explaining all that to me more clearly.. with regard to the finances – who owes who what, and who owns what – that is a tough one but their will be winners and losers and that will have to be accepted on some level.. lets see if some solution can come from trump.. i am doubtful, but this has to end some way, some how… i would be curious if anything came from the putin-scholz phone call.. i wonder if they spoke in german and avoided the need for a translator? cheers – james

Posted by: james | Nov 16 2024 22:19 utc | 186

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 16 2024 17:36 utc | 53

We must break the will of the crazy Europeans to want war against us. They have already started 2 world wars. That’s enough, we don’t need a third one.

The USA has made enough profit from the war, they have robbed Europe too. They don’t want to risk a nuclear war and are therefore withdrawing.

I’ve said before that this present conflict in Ukraine was started by the US (and UK?) to sully what relations Europe and Russia had before 2014. Other than Poland and the Baltics, I can’t imagine there being any problems between Europe and Russia until that year.
The US ringleader that pulls “Europe’s” strings has not experienced war on its own soil within living memory as Europe (incl. Russia) has.

Posted by: joey_n | Nov 16 2024 22:20 utc | 187

As my ole granny used to say….
I think their is a real danger that it is very easy to get sucked into the vortex of noise at the moment.
In the same way people get easily sucked into the marketing and advertising of big sporting events, concerts, movies and video games.
We should really just sit back and take a big picture view instead of a micro view and let the show play out. There isn’t anything anyone can do to stop it. All we can do is analyse it afterwards. How it all ends and what is left behind is what matters not how it starts.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 16 2024 22:27 utc | 188

Trump will be judged on what he does at and inside the US borders. That would impact happenings outside US borders, likely in a positive direction. But first things first.
The people killing each other overseas have to get together and settle matters. Trump might endorse portions of those settlements. He might tighten certain money flows, if he can, but he might not even be allowed to do so. It’ll stop when they all decide to stop killing. Only sure way. Trump would have only some impact on that. At home, he has more, and will be judged appropriately.

Posted by: seer | Nov 16 2024 22:27 utc | 189

Tom @ 143
” Severe apathy among previous Biden voters leading to a massive gap in # of votes for Team Blue compared to 2020. ”
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I don’t buy the apathy argument.
There is a graph, featured here at MoA, that shows that there was a 10 mill spike in Dem votes in 2020 compared to 2016 and before.
The “spikulation” is that these extra 10 mill votes were “discovered” mail-in and other ballots and flipping that gave the 2020 victory to the Dems.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 16 2024 22:28 utc | 190

I think Trump probably gives Bibi the all clear to do whatever he wants in Gaza, West Bank and Lebanon, so long as he does it at an Accelerated pace. As for Iran, he probably holds off early in his term as he focuses on domestic issues like immigration, tax cuts and Tariffs, unless Iran retaliates against Israel or there is a False Flag attack blamed on Iran
US can do a lot of damage to Iran from the air and sea. US is not very reliant on oil from Middle East. That will hurt Europe and Asia more. Oil prices being high supports his agenda to increase drilling
As far as Ukraine goes I think he makes a show of trying to end it but gets rejected by Russia and then supports Ukraine and allowing them to strike deep. At this point he brings Pompeo on as Secretary of Defense. I just don’t see any deal he can offer Putin that Putin would accept without Trump losing a lot of face unless the war is taking a serious toll on Russias economy as suggested by MSM. If Putin takes a bad deal he is just giving Ukraine a chance to rearm and the war eventually restarts.
https://pete843.substack.com/p/trump-negotiations-what-might-russia

Posted by: Pete Lincoln | Nov 16 2024 22:30 utc | 191

i wonder if they spoke in german and avoided the need for a translator?
Posted by: james | Nov 16 2024 22:19 utc | 186

What possible reason could Putin have to break protocol on Scholz’s behalf?
A State leader speaks the State language.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 16 2024 22:35 utc | 192

America had two goals in the Ukraine war.
– Destroying Europe and degrading it to the point where it can be enslaved and bought by blackrock; this is well on its way.
– Turning former Ukraine into a jewish state; whether this happens depends on the degree to which the rabbis control Russia.
Posted by: Jack M | Nov 16 2024 17:52 utc | 59
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Zelinsky has said that he would like to see Ukraine become a Jewish state.
The conspiracist in me imagines the entire conflict is fake…Russia gets the Russian speaking oblasts, and what’s left of Ukraine becomes a haven for Israelis fed up with life in a war zone. In the process many Ukrainians get chewed up in Russian meatgrinders, which is a sick plus for elite psychopaths. It’s a show war, the outcome of which is predetermined.
It’s a wild theory, but the dots seem to connect. Russia doesn’t necessarily have to be in on the scam, but the USUKIS response to Russia’s SMO could be intended to give Russia what they want while preparing rump Ukraine for a new Jew future. Ukraine never had a chance against Russia without direct military action by the West. The West literally killed thousands of Ukrainian men by financing Zelinsky’s hare-brained hubris…to no avail, unless they were trying to depopulate the country to make room for an influx of immigrants.
Putin seems fine with Isreal. The friend of my enemy is my enemy doesn’t seem to apply in this case. The MIC is happy. Poland might be getting a piece as well. The SMO is achieving victory. Zelinsky is ready to negotiate. If Russia ends it here, Ukraine will remain in some form. What form? It’s up for grabs, and bought by Blackrock. Israel gets hit hard and their refugees have to go somewhere. Zelinsky will keep a light on for them.
Crazy, huh? Speculation is a bitch sometimes. I haven’t had a drink in years.

Posted by: A rope leash | Nov 16 2024 22:37 utc | 193

@ too scents | Nov 16 2024 22:35 utc | 192
i think like an ordinary person, as opposed to a state leader… thanks for letting me know what you think.. for the record here in canada we have 2 official languages… i guess that gives our leader a choice! i have often thought of the parallels between canada and ukraine and what would happen in canada if we were to follow the approach taken in ukraine the past 10 years with the attempt at erasing the russian culture, including its langauge… how would that go over in french canada if the english were to try to pull it off here in canada??? i guess the local nazis in canada haven’t gone that far as the ones in ukraine.. i would venture to say most canucks don’t think like that, but maybe i am wrong..

Posted by: james | Nov 16 2024 22:39 utc | 194

Looking at Kupyansk, Chasov Yar and Cherniev, I am beginning to wonder if the Ukr military actually is collapsing. OTOH, that Borzzikk guy claims that some defecting Ukr generals gave Russia a lot of classified material about the battlefield. I suppose if that’s true, it tends to push towards collapse, too.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 16 2024 22:45 utc | 195

Re: Aleph_Null@ 123:
“All my life this pattern holds. Entropy perhaps: the 2nd law of thermodynamic politics.”
Good one. Of course the 2nd law also states that any changes in the entropy of the universe can never be negative.
Let us hope against hope it may be so in this case also.
‘There is great disorder under heaven. The situation is excellent.’ – Mao

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 16 2024 23:02 utc | 196

“Well of course. Americans who were too smort to be conned voted for Kamala instead.
Posted by: hopehely | Nov 16 2024 17:34 utc | 49”

Wins thread.

Posted by: Stumpy | Nov 16 2024 23:03 utc | 197

“Give Ukraine long-range missiles to hit Russian targets, German minister says
Amid heavy Russian attacks on Kharkiv, the West must send long-distance missiles”, said Annalena Baerbock.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-germany-long-range-missiles-russia-war-annalena-baerbock/
This is a kind of cry, a wish, an organic urge of young Annalena
The west is not afraid, some compulsive neurosis forces them to attack Russia.
They want to defeat Russia, it doesn’t matter if Ukraine has problems.
Germany just loves this war, in fact the whole Europe is so happy that soon they would participate more directly.

Posted by: vargas | Nov 16 2024 23:13 utc | 198

Posted by: A rope leash | Nov 16 2024 22:37 utc | 193 My understanding is that Zelensky had aspirations of Ukraine treating its ethnic Russians/Russian language speakers the way the Zionists treat the Palestinians, grinding away at them, with settler colonies stealing their land bit by bit. As I understand it, it was roughly the same picture drawn in Mein Kampf of projected German settlements in Ukraine. Hitler seems to have envisioned Germans conquering wild Slavs the way Americans conquered wild Indians, a la the beloved Karl May?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 16 2024 21:22 utc | 159 When you look at today’s Trotskyites, the old charges of Trotskyites working with fascists don’t seem quite as obviously impossible as they’re supposed to.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 16 2024 23:20 utc | 199

@ A rope leash | Nov 16 2024 22:37 utc | 193
It’s not the first time I’m hearing a theory similar to this. And it’s not the first time somebody is posting it on MoA. But of course it’s possible that you have developed this theory independently.
It sounds crazy but I don’t reject it because of that. I try to keep an open mind. I don’t have a definitve opinion on this. When this theory showed up on MoA in the past it was usually very quickly rejected by other user.
Additionally to what you wrote I also read that this whole tragedy in Ukraine is somewhat a game (from who? the elites?) and even the president from Russia plays its part in it. Before I get attacked because of that last sentence, please bare in mind, that it’s just a theory which is out there and I don’t have a firm opinion about it. I just decline to recject it, just because it sounds crazy to the regular guys.

Posted by: NoName | Nov 16 2024 23:21 utc | 200