Election 2024 - Trump Has Won
MoA, two weeks ago:
My hunch is that Trump will win the election. What policies will follow will largely depend on the people he will select to run the show. He had previously chosen people who were opposing and sabotaging his policies. He lacked the authority and/or will to rein them in. I do not believe that he has learned from it.
It currently looks like Trump has won yesterday's election. The presidency and majorities in the Senate and House will be held by Republicans.
That does not change my policy prediction:
I expect the new president to double down on the anti-Russian project in Ukraine and on support for the genocide the Zionist are committed to finish. The U.S. will continue to be bogged down in Europe and west-Asia. The 'pivot to Asia' to counter China's rise will continue to stall. The economic standing of the U.S. will continue to deteriorate.This is good news for China, Russia, the BRICS project and those involved in it. As the old world order continues to drag itself down the new one gains time and space to evolve from it.
My hope for Europe is that Trump, being afraid of a real confrontations as he is, will lose the contest with Russia. As Emmanuel Todd had summarized:
It is the outcome of this war that will decide the fate of Europe. If Russia is defeated in Ukraine, European submission to the Americans would be prolonged for a century. If, as I believe, the United States is defeated, NATO will disintegrate and Europe will be left free.
Posted by b on November 6, 2024 at 7:42 UTC | Permalink
next page »Thanks for the posting b.
Just heading for bed but wanted to be sure of the result before nodding off.
What does this mean?
It looks like the win is big enough the sore losers will not be blaming us Stein voters for the loss.
It looks like Jill did ok and maybe even good enough to make a difference down the road.
The face of empire as it goes down to the China/Russia axis is going to be that of a patriarchal barbaristic bully which I think fitting and indeed proper. Trumps actions in the process should fuel eons of hatred for patriarchal bullies and end their monotheistic control of our species though the seed of their demise is just being planted.
Where is the list of all Trump's campaign promises?
The shit show continues until it doesn't
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 6 2024 7:54 utc | 2
Thank you b.
I usually agree with you but I have a rather different take. Trump would not be allowed to take office unless there was an acceptance among the psychopathic but rational elite that the US attempt to dominate Russia has resulted in a severe beating and they need a change of course.
Posted by: Tim | Nov 6 2024 7:56 utc | 3
What a day to be alive.
The world has been saved on the edge of the abyss, for now.
Time to clean up, to idiot proof the USA. Fauci, Jack Smith and all of their ilk can conveniently be housed in the empty cells left by the released Jan 6 crowd.
Much cleaning to be done.
Otherwise the world will return to the same destructive path in four years time!
Thank God.
Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 6 2024 7:59 utc | 4
Here's wishing Biden the same treatment he has accorded to legitimate leaders of Pakistan and Peru, amongst other countries whose elected regimes he illegally overthrew. He'll also have to answer (one day) for the dead babies, kids, women and elderly of Palestine, all murdered in a genocide funded and armed by his administration. Not that Trump is expected to do better on that count -- his track record being known to all and sundry.
Posted by: Tranquilo | Nov 6 2024 8:03 utc | 5
"I expect the new president to double down on the anti-Russian project in Ukraine..."
b
With all due respect, b, Trump will not 'double down' in Ukraine he knows that gambit is a Fool's Errand.
Breaking News
Genocide supporting Zionist is replaced with Genocide supporting Zionist.
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Nov 6 2024 8:10 utc | 7
I think Trump will be good for peace generally. He is not going to poke the bear!
I am more worried about his sympathy for the Jews in charge of Israel.
That to me is the biggest problem, for there are a lot of them behind him.
I just hope that his decency will keep him on the right path.
I hope, I don't know.
My other great hopes are Kennedy and Gabbard. They strike me as decent people.
My hat off to Musk too. He has risked a lot, and he has a lot to lose.
Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 6 2024 8:12 utc | 8
Harris would certainly be a deadlier problem.
Let's see.
In the mean time the AP & friends not calling and harris not talking... priceless.
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 6 2024 8:12 utc | 9
The baby hippo was right: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4973918-viral-hippo-moo-deng-predicts-president/
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 6 2024 8:16 utc | 10
I remember going to bed 4 years ago, convinced that Trump had won . . .
Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 6 2024 8:19 utc | 11
I remember going to bed 4 years ago, convinced that Trump had won . . .
Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 6 2024 8:19 utc | 12
As i mentioned in the other thread, there's always alaska...
If when you wake up somebody tries to say harris won, then civil war already started
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 6 2024 8:22 utc | 12
The House; The Senate; The Presidency; The Supreme Court; & Larry Fink
East Jerusalem, Gaza and The West Bank to be annexed ....
The deep-state war on Russian Federation to continue - if potus resists, he might be retired - the MIC too powerful and profitable ... problem is that missiles cannot be printed as easily as dollar bills - RF will prevail either way - Europe to get poorer as the US continues to gut it.
Iran locked and loaded.
The Resistance to fight on ... and on ...
Larry Fink wins again.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 6 2024 8:35 utc | 13
“If we want things to stay as they are, things will have to change.”
A Gold Star for who can name the quote...
Posted by: Rubiconned | Nov 6 2024 8:37 utc | 14
"I remember going to bed 4 years ago, convinced that Trump had won . . ."
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 6 2024 8:37 utc | 15
Diversity Heretic @ Nov 6 2024 7:52 utc | 1
Trump can't run again in 2028 and there will be other issues on which the JD Vance campaign will focus.
Trump is 78, no way he would be running again in 2028. He may be lucky to be president for all 4 years due to his likely begining dementia.
JD Vance might not be such a bad VP - on the other hand VPs rarely become presidents afterwards. There will be infighting, Trump's last cabinet mostly ended up quitting.
Trump has isolationist tendencies and in contrast to neocons will make concessions to close deals, he cuts losing deals.
Talk fast and loud in simple words, never back down, resort to bluffs - but walk away if things go south.
Woe to those who rely on US promises - mostly the EU who will be the main bagholders. Well, at least this will give lessons to the next generation about unbounded faith and naivete and belief in ideology.
Harris would have been the same kind of war president Hillary would have been - no position besides the will to power, completely dominated by State Department neocons.
NATO, Ukraine and Israel as well as Korea and Taiwan will have to start paying for protection. US will keep investing in wars but through their own bases. There is competition from BRICS in the protection racket now, mob wars ahead. Or, if you will, BRICS is the nicer pimp.
The division of Red/Blue will most likely deepen as red states can go wild on building Gilead now before their voter generation dies.
Blue will respond with more autocratic tactics that will deepen resentment.
Israel still has Kompromat and US support, but for military planners the risk is increasing with each new round. If you have to draw up war plans against Iran, you are talking a few 100k ground troops or B-52 with tactical nuclear. Anything below is not going to win that war. Now it's not just Iran, it's Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran if the lid can be kept on Egypt. When Iran talks to US, promises on Hormuz strait and Saudi refineries can go a long way to decrease Israeli support with a good cover story.
US will be careful to not be too open, just Israel no longer gets a kiss and a cherry on top and they won't have impunity. Now that Gallant is gone, Trump will have to deal with Nutty directly, no love lost between those two. Nutty is too blind to see he already overstepped some red lines.
I would wager Iraq will through willful negligence, armed popular resistance movements, IED attacks, start turning up the heat on US bases. Iran will support this, if only to reduce attacks from Israel, same idea for Syria. This will engender new friendships for Iran, who can buy a lot of goodwill right now and do a lot of good for the Sunni/Shia divide if they want to.
Guess we'll see who gets burnt fingers next.
Posted by: SOS | Nov 6 2024 8:38 utc | 16
@Rubiconned | Nov 6 2024 8:37 utc | 14
Could be the 'younger' Bush?
Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 6 2024 8:40 utc | 17
Remember it was Trump who released C19 in China. Expect C19V2 soon.
Posted by: Surferket | Nov 6 2024 8:43 utc | 18
"Trump has isolationist tendencies and in contrast to neocons will make concessions to close deals, he cuts losing deals.
Talk fast and loud in simple words, never back down, resort to bluffs - but walk away if things go south."
Trump talks quite slowly. ;)
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 6 2024 8:47 utc | 19
DJT detests Volo in every single way........he believes Volo is a crook and a fraud, and was behind along with the neo fascist Vindman brothers the first impeachment of the POTUS.
The stolen cash pipeline to Kieve is about dry up. so is the ammo and equipment pipeline.
Expect a Kieve surrender very soon.
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 6 2024 8:54 utc | 21
That Trump wins the overall ballot is limited surprise, if any.
Now what will be next steps ? There were no « October surprise », but we may see some from now on, up to early January, or later …
We should expect the unthinkable!
Posted by: Dany | Nov 6 2024 8:55 utc | 22
Great news.
Now suffer the consequences of your great leader.
Posted by: Ed Bernays | Nov 6 2024 8:59 utc | 23
Tranquilo is right to remind us about the fate of Pakistan's Imran Khan and Peru's Pedro Castillo both overthrown in coups d'état engineered by Biden and BLINKEN. The MSM doesn't like these uncomfortable truths because they might have to think for once instead of raving about washing machines in space and North Koreans doing their laundry on the Surovikin line. Trump is a real estate man and what better place than Russia to develop. I expect much better relations US/Russia. And of course the Euro-idiots will be left out...
Posted by: Stierlitz | Nov 6 2024 9:03 utc | 24
"US regime media will not acknowledge what we all know: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's insistence on perpetrating genocide of the Palestinian people sank them.
This is a rare and historic moment of accountability. Genocide can never be rewarded or excused. It has to be punished."
https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1854022793286885834
Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 6 2024 9:04 utc | 25
Every single Biden-Harris appointee needs to security escorted out of their DC offices on 1/20/25, no exceptions.
One of the big mistakes made in DJT first term was allowing Obama holdovers to continue to hold positions, that was a huge mistake. These holdovers actually attempted a coup in the Russia gate fiasco.
All JCOS officers also need to be fired asap. The Milley group of neo con stooge general need be released.
All US Attorneys need to be immediately fired.
Jack Smith need to be fired and arrested for treason.
FBI Director Chris Wray, who deliberately covered up for the Biden Crime family needs to fired. He basically hide the Hunter laptop, and is now in the process of arresting political opposition figures all over the country. The FBI needs to broken up. The are now really the American Stasi.
Like JFK had planned, the CIA deep state needs to be broken up in detail. Its a clear threat to the American Republic. Its hip deep in the Ukrainian Nazi disaster. It formulated the Maidan coup.
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 6 2024 9:08 utc | 26
Bulletin - Kieve Ukronazi government leaders on suicide watch.........news at 11.............
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 6 2024 9:13 utc | 27
Posted by: susan mullen | Nov 6 2024 8:22 utc | 554
Yes. I agree, that when Trump has run his term; and *maybe* the Dems have done 4 years of soul searching; and *maybe* some independents have risen up; and *maybe* the deep state gets its wings clipped a little; and *maybe* average yanks wake up a bit to their truly fucked 2 parties of morons; and BRICS has matured; the US system may just get better for the 2030s. There's Tulsi and Jill and RFK who might turn over new pages. Trump may just be the accidental catalyst for it all.
Posted by: Monty Beaumont | Nov 6 2024 9:28 utc | 28
John Gilberts | Nov 6 2024 9:04 utc | 25
"US regime media will not acknowledge what we all know: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's insistence on perpetrating genocide of the Palestinian people sank them."
Unfortunately the opposite is true. Trump is being installed because he more convincingly proclaimed that under his administration the US will go 100% all in on the Zionist project to ethnically cleanse all of Palestine and obliterate Iran.
Posted by: flying dutchman | Nov 6 2024 9:33 utc | 29
Buckle up for a wild ride!
Of course Trump and his confederates are grossly inadequate to address the challenges they will soon be burdened with. Burdens are for other people. It will be interesting to watch this group consume itself as it falls behind the RoW.
Internecine squillionaire conflict is a certainty. Let them fight!
Posted by: too scents | Nov 6 2024 9:38 utc | 30
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1854056896581534013
Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz
So can Democrats finally start opposing genocide now?
https://x.com/ecomarxi/status/1854090735890346119
Tiberius @ecomarxi
Does anyone know if Kamala Harris is still speaking now?
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1854066003489030385
Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz
Oh no now the US will have a president who does bad things and hurts people
Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 6 2024 9:39 utc | 31
Posted by: Rubiconned | Nov 6 2024 8:37 utc | 14
Tancredi Falconieri in the Leopard. (played by Alain Delon in the film)
Posted by: Stierlitz | Nov 6 2024 9:45 utc | 32
Perimetr | Nov 6 2024 8:19 utc | 11
…I remember going to bed 4 years ago, convinced that Trump had won . . .
Because he had.
It was daytime here and I watched the vote get flipped in real time.
Deliveries /trucks full of votes. Votes “found” in corridors and cleaning cupboards. It was a farce.
Even my 9/11 tinfoil was melting with what I was watching. Thinking it couldn’t be that blatant….
Trump’s legal action across counties forced enough of a tidy up to prevent the Mail in and other shenanigans.
And enough Repubs were watching this time…..
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 6 2024 9:47 utc | 33
Just where does Trump have leverage over Russia that isn’t already in play? Zilch. Nada.
Just where does Trump have the ability to support Israeli in ways that are not already employed? Where? What? I don’t see it.
The reality is that Russia has already won in Ukraine; the only question is how big that win will be. My prediction is that Trump will do what he can to make Ukraine a non-issue: turn the page and leave it to its fate: a satellite of Russia if not fully re-incorporated into it.
The reality is that Israel has already lost both escalation dominance and economic integrity. What is Trump going to do to change that? Drop nuclear bombs? Throw more money and weapons at Israel? Why would anybody think those options are going to change the basic realities: Israel (and the U.S.) have lost escalation dominance, not only to Iran, but to Hezbollah and the Houthis. It looks like they may have actually even lost it to Hamas in Gaza. More money will not change the deep and growing fractures within Israeli society. More weapons? The U.S. doesn’t have the capacity to manufacture great quantities of air defense systems, and even if it did, they are proving ineffective against Houthi, Hezbollah, and Iranian drones. And that does not even consider the insane relative costs of air defense missiles vs. the cost of drones.
The only area of foreign policy where I see Trump making a significant difference is toward China. He wants to raise tariffs. That looks to me slated to backfire spectacularly, as that will raise the cost of almost everything Wal-Mart sells. You don’t Make America Great Again by impoverishing Main Street.
Posted by: Joseph Dillard | Nov 6 2024 9:48 utc | 34
And hopefully the second US civil war kicks off tomorrow morning, if it did not start already in Seattle. About bloody time. The sooner the idiotic shit show splits into 4 powerless non entities and stops being the Zionist/Talmudist/Satanist's bully boy the better off the vast majority of humanity will be. Maybe Australia will finally get a leader who can actually see what their country is becoming instead of a 24/7 view of the US presidents rectum.
Posted by: eagle eye | Nov 6 2024 9:48 utc | 35
Rubiconned | Nov 6 2024 8:37 utc | 14
Giuseppe Tommasi di Lampedusa - Il Gattopardo
Posted by: Nicola | Nov 6 2024 9:49 utc | 36
Lmao. While congrats from world leaders to DJT are pouring in, there's a conspicuous SILENCE from one Mr Volodomyr Zelensky. I can clearly see him choking on his breakfast crispies, shitting bricks, doing a lot of coke, hiding in his feuhrer-bunker for a few weeks of PTSD. Lmao. The SMO soon turns a corner for Kiev.
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 6 2024 9:52 utc | 37
there's a conspicuous SILENCE from one Mr Volodomyr Zelensky
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 6 2024 9:52 utc | 37
https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1854073411904938032
Posted by: 2TonCat | Nov 6 2024 9:54 utc | 38
All-go rhythms are wonderful things for knuckle-dragging orangutans. David Horsman was right. Send help please.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 6 2024 10:02 utc | 39
Might Trump appoint Col Doug McGregor as Sec of Defence? Now THAT would sort out the SMO for a quick and happy ending. McGregor started a Trump posting around 2019 but got ousted by Biden. He's the one voice of military sanity on the continent. He'd also give the Pentagon a well deserved rocket up its arse.
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 6 2024 10:02 utc | 40
At some point the voter fraud that was used in 2020 was called off.
It must have been due to the high early voter turnout and registrations that indicated a massive turnout.
As a have pointed out in previous thread it is very hard to hide fraud if there is a large real voter turnout because the fraud stands out like a sore thumb or a daylight robbery.
I’d like to see the final absolute numbers on registration, voters in person and postal voters per state/constituency compared to 2020 and 2016 and older if available.
b, can you acces or point to these?
How about MoA regulars?
Data sets will do I can crunch the numbers for presentation here as an amateur spreadsheet user - any expert here is welcome to do a better and faster job.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 6 2024 10:03 utc | 41
Lmao. While congrats from world leaders to DJT are pouring in, there's a conspicuous SILENCE from one Mr Volodomyr Zelensky.
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 6 2024 9:52 utc | 37
Zeli loves Trumpy. Trumpy was the first president to send billions in weapons each year, not anyone else. Considering he also bragged that he's the real one who killed NS, Trumpy will be attacking Russia and the other Brics losers just like the first time. Do I have to remind you about his plans to use small nukes instead of regular bombs? Too bad Russia wasn't able to liberate the referendum regions and can't even fix Kursk, the chances of getting them with a radioactive flavor are close to maximum.
I think the circus will only get bigger, it really does not matter who wins elections, and I can't wait to see when he starts to sanction all countries that don't use dollars in trade, as he promised.
Posted by: rk | Nov 6 2024 10:07 utc | 42
He had previously chosen people who were opposing and sabotaging his policies. He lacked the authority and/or will to rein them in. I do not believe that he has learned from it.
You make it sound like it was his fault. He started with his own team but down the road the threat of impeachment forced him to accept teams formed by the Republican party. He either accepted those saboteurs or he was impeached by having a number of Republicans siding with Dems in the Senate.
As Emmanuel Todd had summarized:It is the outcome of this war that will decide the fate of Europe. If Russia is defeated in Ukraine, European submission to the Americans would be prolonged for a century. If, as I believe, the United States is defeated, NATO will disintegrate and Europe will be left free.
Why? How? When Russia's victory becomes impossible to deny, NATO will have been stopped in its expansion. There is no inevitable connection between (a) being stopped in expansion and (b) disintegration. Todd is just exaggerating. NATO will continue well into the future after Russia's victory in the Ukraines.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 6 2024 10:08 utc | 43
Posted by: 2TonCat | Nov 6 2024 9:54 utc | 38
Oh -- I don't do twitter. On MSM he was absent via all the direct diplomatic cables to Trump as reported by MSM. A twitter note is pretty low brow. But then Zelensky is a hair-brained millenial.
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 6 2024 10:09 utc | 44
"Just where does Trump have leverage over Russia that isn’t already in play? Zilch. Nada."
Trump will say to Putin, "Vladimir, make an agreement with the Ukrainians that they can live with, otherwise I'll keep arming and financing the Ukrainian war party."
We must not forget that despite Russia's military superiority, Russians still die or are wounded every day in this war.
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 6 2024 10:09 utc | 45
eagle eye 35
You cannot see a rectum , it's an internal organ. Using a candle not recommended. Thousands of us Poms migrate to Oz every year looking for freedom, only to find that Australia is to the US what Gaza is to Israel, a land without a people looking for a people without a land.
Start digging tunnels now if you want to stay free.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 6 2024 10:13 utc | 46
@flying dutchman 29
under his administration the US will go 100% all in on the Zionist project to ethnically cleanse all of Palestine and obliterate Iran.
They already gave them 100%.
It will be exactly the same only now we won't get the insufferable hypocrisy of the libss pretending to care about 'minimizing civilian casualties' while sending them all the arms to kill them.
And 'obliterate' Iran?
Pretentious americans overrating their abilities as usual.
He didn't try it before and they won't let him now.
The US can't handle a half-decent opponent.
His handlers know that, the deluded apartheid country suffering from the same superiority complex learned that too recently.
But I sure would love to see him try.
Posted by: Ed Bernays | Nov 6 2024 10:13 utc | 47
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 6 2024 8:54 utc | 21
The 1st thing it'll happen is the Jewish comedian and entourage leaving a-la Ashraf Ghani, with bags full of cash. I wonder how our MSM will spin that.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 6 2024 10:17 utc | 48
On MSM he was absent via all the direct diplomatic cables to Trump as reported by MSM.
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 6 2024 10:09 utc | 44
Zelensky is too busy ramping up the "North Korean soldiers are in Ukraine OP" (to get SK weapons and long range strike approval) and trying to hold the reigns on his MP's to keep them from defecting abroad.
Trump will say to Putin, "Vladimir, make an agreement with the Ukrainians that they can live with, otherwise I'll keep arming and financing the Ukrainian war party."
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 6 2024 10:09 utc | 45
That ship has sailed, there will be no new Minsk-like agreeement. There is no option but to keep fighting the SMO until all goals are fulfilled and Putin knows it.
Posted by: 2TonCat | Nov 6 2024 10:18 utc | 49
“America, burdened by its past, unburdened by me at last.”
- concession speech
The reigning political party denied its leader was senile up until the moment they replaced him with a moron.
Either they’re *all* stupid or some inner circle threw the race after deciding that forthcoming policy shifts should be accompanied by a new (old) face, to create a story simple enough to resonate with more people.
Posted by: I forgot | Nov 6 2024 10:23 utc | 50
@Tim 3
I tend towards that thinking too. In a sense it is useful for the Democrats to lose, as they then can use Trump's de-escalation to establish their Dolschenstosslegende.
Posted by: Tichy | Nov 6 2024 10:24 utc | 51
DunGroanin 41
Vote rigging in England. I can't call you naive because you aren't and I can't call you hungover because it's Woedensday. Trump is an Omegad American Male with his own opinions and vulnerable ears. Ugh!
It's sickening, but the English Tories and Biden had done so much reckless insanity that sheets needed to be changed. Fumigation and redecorating.
In both cases essential Landlord maintenance was required to clean up after the rave.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 6 2024 10:28 utc | 52
My other great hopes are Kennedy and Gabbard. They strike me as decent people. My hat off to Musk too.
Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 6 2024 8:12 utc | 8
I couldn't agree more ... although I haven't heard of an assignment for Tulsi Gabbard yet. Her, as Secretary of State, or at least as his/her deputy, would be great news.
Posted by: grunzt | Nov 6 2024 10:35 utc | 54
If a deal evolves between USA and Russia over Ukraine, it will likely also cover the ME and Europe.
Donny would probably agree to Russia demands regarding Ukr and Nato encroachment/retreat if Russia agrees to Bibi’s.
Posted by: I forgot | Nov 6 2024 10:36 utc | 55
Asset inflation to Mars!
https://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?p=d&t=YM
Numbers are going up. ↗ ↗ ↗
Posted by: too scents | Nov 6 2024 10:40 utc | 56
Most of y’all have got it wrong.
Assuming the Deep State fails in preventing DJT inauguration, Americans will demand closed borders, mass deportations of illegals, and clean out of education system and federal law enforcement. Sure, the DS will resist, but if they don’t cave, it will only be worse for them at the mid-terms.
DJT is no dummy, and the only way Zionist Entity continues to exist is if they give up on all fronts. So no big war, because even a dummy knows US has insufficient resources to fight war without going nuclear.
We’re much more concerned with ridding our country of Totalitarians than we are with any of you from around the world. Get over it - us Deplorables are now running the show. God, Guns, & Guts - we’re keeping all three! 🇺🇸
Posted by: OldFart | Nov 6 2024 10:40 utc | 57
@Rubiconned | Nov 6 2024 8:37 utc | 14
“If we want things to stay as they are, things will have to change.”
A Gold Star for who can name the quote...
Il Gattopardo di Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa
Posted by: val | Nov 6 2024 10:41 utc | 58
us Deplorables are now running the show. God, Guns, & Guts - we’re keeping all three! 🇺🇸
Posted by: OldFart | Nov 6 2024 10:40 utc | 57
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Enjoy your smaller slice of a shrinking pie. Eat it with pride.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 6 2024 10:43 utc | 59
I awake to resounding wails of anguish and the clacking of gnashing teeth from huddled herds of TDS victims. I guess that means Claudia de la Cruz didn't win, so my vote was for naught.
Well, at least we now get to enjoy the tormented sobbing of pinhead fools who consume mass quantities of mass media. Will this experience encourage them to break free of their narrative shackles? Doubtful, so we will just have to settle for schadenfreude at their self-inflicted misery.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 6 2024 10:46 utc | 60
Harris atm has to win all the seats left to win by a thin margin. The electoral college could still vote against their constituants wishes. While trump appears to have smashed it there is still time for shenanigans. Msm is already droning on about how trump will ruin america. Same as it ever was.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 6 2024 10:46 utc | 61
Associated Press is calling it. Trump has won. I agree with B that Trump will probably walkaway from Ukraine. Whether that means negotiating a ceasefire/surrender, or just permanently suspending US aid to Ukraine remains to be seen. Ditto Israel and Gaza, but I don't think America is going to get to decide what happens there either way, anyway.
Posted by: Monos | Nov 6 2024 10:55 utc | 62
Good news. Time for America to Make Israel Great Again!
Posted by: ABOBA | Nov 6 2024 10:55 utc | 63
DunGroanin @41: "At some point the voter fraud that was used in 2020 was called off."
What? No freeze of the tally late in the evening? No resumption at oh-dark-hundred with almost all of the remaining votes going to the Establishment pick? I'm stunned! Stunned, I say!
I wonder if too many people were expecting that this time and so stayed up late and were watching the vote counters too closely.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 6 2024 10:56 utc | 64
Trump will say to Putin, "Vladimir, make an agreement with the Ukrainians that they can live with, otherwise I'll keep arming and financing the Ukrainian war party."We must not forget that despite Russia's military superiority, Russians still die or are wounded every day in this war.
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 6 2024 10:09 utc | 45
Americans might start dying elsewhere, like in Syria, for example.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Nov 6 2024 11:00 utc | 65
I'm surprised he actually pulled it off. Doesn't Kamala have to properly concede in order for him to have "won", and as long as she doesn't do that - and let's be honest, she not only won't, she has orders not to, similar to Ukraine or Israel not being allowed to lose either - then she's technically still in it?
Although seeing that she cancelled all her live appearances and "went to bed" at like midnight EST was not a good look at all.
Posted by: Stark | Nov 6 2024 11:00 utc | 66
Trump: "I'm not going to start wars, I'm going to stop wars."
A promise after he has already won? Not a campaign promise? Maybe he means it. I doubt he can pull that off, but if he does it will be "yuuuge". I wonder how the TDS people would wrap the remnants of their exploded skulls around that?
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 6 2024 11:05 utc | 67
Kremlin Press Release:
"No plan for Putin to congratulate Trump - and US still unfriendly to Russia.
"The Kremlin has acknowledged Donald Trump's apparent victory but says it is not aware of any plan by Vladimir Putin to congratulate him.
"Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov also said the US remained an unfriendly country towards Russia."
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Ooooh, what a great way to deflate Donny's big ego by Putin to ignore his victory. Now the real brinkmanship begins, more than hollow election rhetoric. VVP is gunna crucify Trump next meeting or phone call. Putin now has Zelensky right where he wants him -- a defeated, washed up, non-leader with no big boy friends, living in fear of his own people and his own nazis and his next door neighbour.
Trump and NATO will all abandon him now, even if their talk remains all buddy support ... for a while.
Trump is a tactical babe in the woods compared to Putin. Trump's military advisors will all be plotting a sensible withdrawal from Ukraine for him. He'll handle the money and the PR, they'll lock up the toys. So, paired with his own promises of stopping the war, Kiev is a cooked goose.
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 6 2024 11:08 utc | 68
Ed Bernays | Nov 6 2024 10:13 utc | 47
"They already gave them 100%.
It will be exactly the same only now we won't get the insufferable hypocrisy of the libss pretending to care about 'minimizing civilian casualties' while sending them all the arms to kill them."
Unlike the Democrats, Trump and Kushner will have zero ambivalence on account of friction with their base or any other reason. The police will be fully unleashed against protestors. The censorship regime will zero in more aggressively than ever in accord with AIPAC's dictates. We'll have the end of the slightest pretense that the US is trying to restrain the Zionists. The threshold where the US will take the plunge and fully go to war with Iran will come much closer.
"And 'obliterate' Iran?
Pretentious americans overrating their abilities as usual.
He didn't try it before and they won't let him now.
The US can't handle a half-decent opponent."
The Zionists hadn't fully taken the plunge to total war and genocide. Now they have, their number one intermediate goal is to induce the US to go to war with Iran, and they will not only "let him" but insist upon it. Trump has fully identified himself with this cause and is gung ho to go. The US will be fully at war within a year.
Of course, short of nuking Iran to a sheet of glass the US can't win a war against them (nor would nuking them really be a win for the US anyway, just self-destruction by other means), but yes they certainly think they can, and they will try to do so.
All this would happen eventually with a Harris administration as well, but the Zionists decided Trump will be more willing, more speedy, more aggressive, so they worked to install him. Otherwise they would've stood by and let the Democrats steal the election again.
Posted by: flying dutchman | Nov 6 2024 11:08 utc | 69
Most obvious reason for no fraud, or more precisely not going for obvious fraud to anyone paying attention, was the situation in 2024 is much different than 2020. No Covid/Lockdowns/Summer of Love stuff. Even filing perfectly legitimate legal challenges were considered treason and racism and the elite class was unified in carrying forward the Ukraine and Israel projects they had in the works for decades. The fruits of those have been bad, so some are defecting. Also, faith in US elections was severely damaged by 2020, additional rounds while supporting Gaza Genocide/Ethnic cleansing and the Ukrainians would make the typical Western lecturing difficult at best.
Posted by: Skarnkai | Nov 6 2024 11:16 utc | 70
Russia winning by better Diplomacy?
Sergei Prokopyev, russian kosmonaut/astronaut involved in collaboration with both NASA and the European organisation
has made a statement about the US.
https://tass.com/science/1867383
5 Nov, 16:13
"Americans were on the Moon but footage may have been filmed in advance — Russian cosmonaut
Sergey Prokopyev pointed out that the fact that US astronauts did land on the Moon "is confirmed by automatic probes and cannot be subjected to doubt"
MOSCOW, November 5. /TASS/. The US astronauts' mission to the Moon certainly took place, but the video footage shown to the global audience might have been filmed beforehand, Russian cosmonaut Sergey Prokopyev told an audience at the educational marathon "Knowledge. The First."
Prokopyev acknowledged that some skeptics questioned the authenticity of the US mission to the Moon, but emphasized that his senior colleagues in the Russian space industry confirm its occurrence.
"Some say: 'They probably filmed it in a pavilion.' This is a possibility, perhaps, because in the US there is a firm rule: you have to report to the taxpayers somehow. How does one do this? In those days, there were no GoPro cameras. It was hard enough to make a full-length movie like the one they ended up with. Most likely, it was shot in a pavilion so that people would think the scenes were really taking place on the Moon," Prokopyev explained."
If He means the Lunar Orbiter pictures from 2011 taken from 24000 meters altitude with a 5cm objective they were an obvious fake photoshop job.
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Actually it would be an insult to Photoshop to describe it like that.
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In reality I believe the US didnt want to make an authentic fake.
If they had they could have used software to construct a smooth rendering, editing every pixel making it impossible to notice any fakery.
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But they just pasted it crudely on the background picture not bothering to edit the glaring mismatch.
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When I mentioned there were inauthentic whitish frames around the pictures those particular fakes vanished from the web and other fakeries returned now with dark and still inauthentic frames around the pasted pieces.
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I havent looked for how it turned out later since I believe the US authorities wanted it to fail in the eyes of expert observers.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 6 2024 11:18 utc | 71
My election watch on the web didn’t happen as my data ran out on my phone!
Just as I was settling down to catch up on a few sites to follow- about 9 pm U.K. time.
As I’m travelling and staying somewhere without Wi-Fi - for the first time in years I came across a total vacuum of web connectivity, WhatsApp, and not even a tv in the temporary abode! Strange feeling. Read a book for hour or so , another strange feeling.. then postered around to see if there was an old fashioned radio somewhere and finally found one in a drawer which had a plug attached and worked! That was around midnight UK time.
i managed to tune into a bbc all night election coverage channel - very pro Dem, anti Trump, their roving reporters hanging out with Dems mostly.
With the first announcements showing the actual drop in dem voter percentage compared to Bidens they should have thrown in the towel of hope.
But the cope went on, as I drifted in and out of sleep till they heard that Kamala would not turn up at Browns University.
That was when they had to acknowledge to us listeners, their propaganda pro wars Deepstate mockingbird stooges goose was cooked.
Just as 5.30 am was approaching their senior spooky journo man got Vance on I think and tried to get a rise out him by pushing the Trump as convicted felon hating Latinos and women.. as Vance was smoothly replying along the lines of ‘you can see tens of millions had voted for trump for real reasons. Many had voted first time because a politician promised to deal with their issues…’ - the broadcast was crashed by a musical song !
Lol. I thought that’s a bit rough for some editor to stop us hearing that!
I waited for it to come back and when the Latino song finished was surprised that a Welsh speaker started up!
Yup overnight it had joined the bbc coverage and at 5.30 without notice it had transferred back. So I retuned and found the bbc main channel - just as they too went back to local U.K. news to set the days agenda as the flagship daily propaganda program kicked off.
Hey they suddenly gushed was great news! as the football results were great last night .. the Opium of the masses to divert attention, while they try and figure what the spin will be.
Anyway I drifted off after an early tea and toast to wake up and get a data boost and check what’s happened - a tired DJT gamely squeaking some victory speech, looking like he needs several hours to recoup. Well done sir and his team.
And our squeaky great knight dope PM starmztrooper, apparently the first to congratulate Trump on the win! This is after having sent his ziofascist apparatchiks to support the Harris camp! Playing immediately the Special Relationship card. Lol.
What next? As I pointed out in the last thread there were only two potus’ of any independent mind who cared for their Peoples and World Peace above the global fascist conquest of the ages since WW2. Both only got to serve a term and were stopped from a second term. By hook or crook . JFK and Nixon.
Joining them through such an establishment and deepstate effort to displace was DJT. He had won in 2016, when he was supposed to be the pantomime villain to make it easy for Killary to stroll in and set the world on fire as the first women mass murderess ever.
The other one termers were the deepstate placeholder.
LBJ, Ford, Carter and Bush Snr.(who had done 2terms as the Raygun Vice and ex CIA chief running the whitehouse or the gipper - his job was to keep Dukakis out and set up the cia golden couple next). They are joined now by the mentally degraded Biden who couldn’t hide his dementia as well as Raygun , and was just a mouthpiece for Obama and Killary and the usual suspects.
Whether The Donald Duckhair Drumpff gets to serve out his full term is upto his personal bodyguards - he has made a lot of promises to the voters and he better not piss them off.
If the extermination or Palestinians continues and the Ziofascist imperial apartheid colony is encouraged instead of being disbanded - there are millions at home who will have legitimate cause to complain now.
As the Ukropian Nazio project falls flat on its face with a million dead or crippled including the Russians having had to suffer yet again with dead patriots against more proxy Nazis - there will be crazed naziods who will blame him.
If he doesn’t retain control over the West Asia - ‘MiddleEast’ becoming a word that will be sent to the xenophobic skeleton cupboard like the N word - and push against the SCO guaranteed security for the Multipolar and BRI for the Old Banker Dynasties demanding war - these Old Bastards will want their pound of his flesh and arrange some homemade death for him and his.
He will have to avoid the Sanctions boomerang that is heading our way if we don’t sharply make peace.
He has a chance to make an economic Union with that new world order and oversee the end of the $ as the worlds reserve currency and finally dump the old global robber barons shapeshifted through history.
If he does all that in the next 1000 days - that’s how long the SMO is approaching now btw - he will become the greatest US President and be remembered as a peacemaker unifier of humanity along with Xi and Putin.
All he has to do is throw off centuries of the dynastic ziofascists owned and backed AngloEuropean imperilism. Which yes includes the USA.
Then all will be well!
I’ll cross my fingers but won’t hold my breath - the killing must stop fast - not just Ukraine and Levant but across all the innocents in Africa and South America and Asia and Pacific.
He must name the guilty and their crimes. They must be held to account not necessarily by death penalty - but certainly by decimation of their power and wealth.
Let’s see how long the Dream Lasts this time and if he has enough sense and will power to do the right thing.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 6 2024 11:21 utc | 72
...but the Zionists decided Trump will be more willing, more speedy, more aggressive, so they worked to install him. Otherwise they would've stood by and let the Democrats steal the election again.
Posted by: flying dutchman | Nov 6 2024 11:08 utc | 69
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Rubbish. Paranoid conspiracy.
Believe it or not, the American people just installed Donald Trump ... for a whole bunch of reasons which had nothing to do with the Jews. Lol. Read up on THE REASONS average people said they voted for Trump. Nothing to do with Israel, or Ukraine for that matter. Apparently, some 73% of both voters are most concerned with "the state of America" then things like taxes, abortion, wages, migration".
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 6 2024 11:23 utc | 73
Trump will say to Putin, "Vladimir, make an agreement with the Ukrainians that they can live with, otherwise I'll keep arming and financing the Ukrainian war party."Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 6 2024 10:09 utc | 45
thats the issue. the "ukrainians" cannot live with any peace. the ukrainians on the other hand, can. but, for that they have to get rid of the "ukrainians" on their own volition, and that means they have to get rid of the nato- and eu-backed nazis currently holding on to power.
and then they have to revert every single law and decision the "ukrainians" put in force that discriminates against religion, ethnicity and heritage. only then can the ukraine be at peace once again.
but as long as those "ukrainians" of eu-nazi heritage remain in that country, ordinary ukrainians will have a hard time reaching any peace.
if don trump "demands" that uncle vova makes peace, it will be a hollow peace that nobody wants. not the russians, not the ukrainians, and most certainly not the "ukrainians".
no. trump has nothing to give here. this has to be finished by russia and true ukrainians, not that nato- and eu-backed nazi scum.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 6 2024 11:30 utc | 74
Maybe he means it.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 6 2024 11:05 utc | 67
Trump's lame-duck status allows him to do what he does best and that is dump on his debtors.
He can tell the AIPAC gang and Miriam A. to stuff it. His ego demands a better legacy than
his first term provides. He wants to be liked and respected more than he wants to be remembered
as just a con-man. I would not be surprised if he tries to do some good this time around. One can hope.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 6 2024 11:32 utc | 75
the American people just installed Donald Trump
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 6 2024 11:23 utc | 73
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Because Harris was worse. The Democrats set such a low bar that is was easy for Trump to step over it.
The hurdles Trump faces that come from outside of the American bubble are set impossibly higher.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 6 2024 11:32 utc | 76
An interesting observation about American morality as evidenced in the result.
All the kerfuffle about Trump's "crimes", diligently cooked up and prosecuted by the Dems over several years, have meant little to nothing in yesterday's vote. Just like Clinton and his naughty acts, voters, in the end, didn't carry it to the polls. Interesting, that all such shit thrown in trying to bring either of them down did not stick.
Posted by: Not-a-troll | Nov 6 2024 11:33 utc | 77
I would not be surprised if he tries to do some good this time around.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 6 2024 11:32 utc | 75
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Don't be naïve. Just look at the grifters Trump has surrounded himself with.
We are going to Mars.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 6 2024 11:37 utc | 78
Thorongil
@Thorongil16
DEARBORN MICHIGAN
TRUMP 45% 🔴
STEIN 33% 🟢
HARRIS 15% 🔵
Absolutely stunning collapse. ED votes only but yeah, Arabs are going out blazing against the Democratic Party.
https://x.com/Thorongil16/status/1854014321166065847
Posted by: Menz | Nov 6 2024 11:46 utc | 79
waynorinorway @75: "Trump's lame-duck status..."
I am confused. What do you mean by "lame duck"?
I suppose I am a little old fashioned, but I always thought "lame duck" referred to a President serving his term while the Senate and Congress were controlled by the opposition, but as far as I can see the Republicans swept both chambers. Given that Trump's win looks to be in "landslide" territory, Senators and Congresscritters will be under pressure to acknowledge that Trump has been given a mandate by the voters and not sandbag and sabotage his program so much or risk public ire.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 6 2024 11:49 utc | 80
If I were Trump right now...
I would announce the US's intention to join BRICS. Checkmate.
Posted by: MaryPeck | Nov 6 2024 11:50 utc | 81
"We are going to Mars."
That's not a good thing?
Musk is aiming at getting his Starship launch costs down to $10 million per. That will be $100,000/ton freight rates to orbit.
Well, I doubt Musk will hit that target, but I'll bet the Chinese will when they embrace and extend the idea of a reusable super heavy lift vehicle.
The Chinese have the capacity to think big and achieve big, they are committed to going green, and they really love solar energy. See if you can guess where this is going...
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 6 2024 12:00 utc | 82
Billy Gruff, a lame duck is a candidate that isn't running again and not subject to concerns about being reelected. However a lame duck may not have much support from others as they have no coat-tails
Posted by: Scottindallas | Nov 6 2024 12:01 utc | 83
Zionists hate Trump. They have tried to assasinate him twice.
Trump did not start any new wars.
Lets compare that with Obama who started Arab spring, Libya, and Ukraine. Cookies and the coup.
Or Bush Afghanistan and Iraq and so on.
Biden with middle east and and Ukraine
Clinton Serbia and Haiti
Posted by: south | Nov 6 2024 12:03 utc | 84
That's not a good thing?
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 6 2024 12:00 utc | 82
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What is wrong with our own planet except that we don't have the time to enjoy it because of the demands make by the excesses of people like Musk?
Posted by: too scents | Nov 6 2024 12:04 utc | 85
@Menz 79
Fantastic! If only all states voted like that. Very disappointing that people like Sacks said they were not voting when they could have voted for Stein.
Posted by: Tim | Nov 6 2024 12:04 utc | 86
Remember it was Trump who released C19 in China. Expect C19V2 soon.
Posted by: Surferket | Nov 6 2024 8:43 utc | 18
Please stop fearmongering, it's just annoying.
Another topic:
The media: it will be a very close race...
Reality: nope...
Posted by: NoName | Nov 6 2024 12:04 utc | 87
Trump Is Bad for Jews and Bad for Israel
On Tuesday, the votes of an estimated 160 million Americans will decide between presidential candidates Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. Their choice will chart the course of the next four years for the U.S. itself, but will also have enormous consequences for a Middle East at war. For Israel's sake, it is critical that Trump loses the race to the White House.
Posted by: south | Nov 6 2024 12:08 utc | 88
Nothing is going to change.
The west is going to escalate this war because it can.
Only USA is going to pay less for it.
Posted by: vargas | Nov 6 2024 12:11 utc | 89
A profound point was made by a major media figure before election day: He said if we lose, it means that half the American or more simply disregard mass media because they don't follow it or because they don't believe it !
Let that sink in. Of the 4 running for the White House, I think Vance is the most intelligent by far. Trump may not last long, one way or the other. He will be interesting to watch.
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 6 2024 12:12 utc | 90
I suppose I am a little old fashioned, but I always thought "lame duck" referred to a President serving his term while the Senate and Congress were controlled by the opposition,
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 6 2024 11:49 utc | 80
It refers to a president that doesn't have to worry. for the rest of their term. about being re-elected. That's both Biden and Trump.
At least we won't have to listen to the endless stories of election fraud that contain zero evidence in support.
I believe the Trump tax breaks for the wealthy were only for 10 years. They will be up for renewal (or expire). They were able to make the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy permanent under Obama but it will be a lot easier this time with Trump over Harris.
Posted by: jinn | Nov 6 2024 12:12 utc | 91
'At least we won't have to listen to the endless stories of election fraud that contain zero evidence in support.'
Wrell the fact withouth the pandemic Trump's votes from yesterday tallied with 2016 results. Pretty evident I think.
Posted by: south | Nov 6 2024 12:17 utc | 92
@flying dutchman 69
The police will be fully unleashed against protestors.
Oh no! such a huge change from the Biden regime. I'm sure the Palestinians will feel the difference.
And again, the US doesn't have the balls to take on Iran.
They will do a lot for their genocider friends but they can not sell a war to the public where they will have massive casualties.
Also, did you not pay attention to the little missile back and forth only recently?
Result: Iran showed dominance and Israel got a dose of reality, running tail between legs and glad it was over.
Even if your imagination comes true and they can send the US to war, Israel itself will be first to be wiped off the map.
They can't even handle the multiple fronts they have going on now.
Same for the US. NATO paper tiger that can't get ukraine to win and can't follow Russia in weapons production or technology is going to take on another country?
Also the Russians will not allow their strategically important ally in the ME to be destroyed.
Posted by: Ed Bernays | Nov 6 2024 12:19 utc | 93
Senators and Congresscritters will be under pressure to acknowledge that Trump has been given a mandate by the voters and not sandbag and sabotage his program so much or risk public ire.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 6 2024 11:49 utc | 80
Not necessarily true. History shows that the Congress does not automatically rubber stamp Executive Orders, even when the majority are members of the same Political Party as the President. Congressman/women are not under any obligation to follow Party demands in the same way as in Australia or Britain. Members of the Congress are more indebted to the money that elect them than to the Party.
Posted by: Menz | Nov 6 2024 12:22 utc | 94
Trump has a huge mandate and will unimpeded get on with his vision.
Trying to nullify him this time is not going to work.
Posted by: south | Nov 6 2024 12:29 utc | 95
If DJT 47 does the same as DJT 45: i.e. keeping the same Defense Sec, and stuffing his team with Zio-neocons, we'll know from day one (Jan 21st) he's a DS Puppet as usual.
To me he looks more humble and reflected than on his 1st victory.
It is rumored that he sidelined uber Zionist son-in-law Kushner.
He may surprise us by simply being realistic and able to compromise, which would prove to be an incomparable improvement to current US Federal Administration
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 6 2024 12:31 utc | 96
Trump is a businessman and doesn't like war...He will not start a war with Russia or China, and will not provide more aid to the crooks in the Ukraine...
Posted by: Pyrrhus | Nov 6 2024 12:33 utc | 97
Thanks B - One strange detail... a little off-topic – concerning the Alaskan ballot paper which I understand required a voter to place the candidates in order of preference (1 > X). Can this be true? Is the ballot paper layout a matter of state government rather than federal? It’s the first I’ve heard of it, although familiar with preferential or proportional representation. Anyone?
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Nov 6 2024 12:33 utc | 98
Is the ballot paper layout a matter of state government rather than federal?
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Nov 6 2024 12:33 utc | 98
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Other than the date on which the general elections are held, states have almost unlimited discretion in determining how they are held.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 6 2024 12:37 utc | 99
Last time, Trump repeatedly refused to attack Iran, and fired Bolton for his crazy ideas....No chance of that...
Posted by: Pyrrhus | Nov 6 2024 12:37 utc | 100
The comments to this entry are closed.
Although I do think that Trump will continue to support the Israeli campaign in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon, I'm not at all certain that he wants a war with Iran. And I think that he'll look at the situation in Ukraine and decide it's time to end that fool's errand. Trump should do in Ukraine in 2025 what Lyndon Johnson should have done in Vietnam in 1965; just walk away from the situation. If Ukraine falls, as it will, and the Democrats blame him for "losing Ukraine," Trump can't run again in 2028 and there will be other issues on which the JD Vance campaign will focus.
Posted by: Diversity Heretic | Nov 6 2024 7:52 utc | 1