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November 6, 2024
Election 2024 – Random Thoughts

Some random thoughts on Trump's reelection.

Trump's win in 2024 does not prove that the 2020 election was stolen by Democrats but it raises a new stink about the issue.


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When Biden was pushed out of the race there were calls among Democrats not to rush a choice, but to hold full-fledged primaries. Barack Obama had called for it. But Nancy Pelosi and the Clinton clan kept pushing for Harris. As a vacuous and unlikable person – carrying all the baggage of the Biden administration – she was the most likely to lose.

This is, hopefully, the end of wokeism and DEI nonsense. And of 'trans' children and teens.



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To send Bill Clinton to Michigan to justify the mass killing of Palestinians was not a good idea. The 2024 result in Dearborn, Michigan, a 90% Muslim area that Biden had won with 88% of the vote:

  • Trump: 46.8%
  • Harris: 27.68%
  • Stein: 22.11%

The Democrats will blame various groups – Muslim, progressives, youths – who's opinions and desires they had ignored, for their loss. And of course Russia.

Trump won the working class:

Jeff Stein @JStein_WaPo – 14:27 UTC · Nov 6, 2024

Staggering class realignment/shift in working class
Harris lost DESPITE major shift of affluent voters her way

2020: Trump wins voters over $100K, 54-52
2024: *Harris* wins voters over $100K, 54-45

2020: Biden wins voters $50K-$100K, 57-42
2024: *Trump* w/ voters $50K-$100K, 49-47

2020: Biden wins voters under $50K, 55-45
2024: Trump massive improvement w/ voters under $50K, 49-48

Harris had more billionaires on her side:

The Billionaire-ification of the U.S. Election

For the 2024 election, a staggering $15.9 billion has been spent on ads and campaigning by both Democrats and Republicans, making it the most expensive election in history; in just one week, nearly $1 billion has been poured into political ads.

Eighteen percent of all political ad funding has come straight from the pockets of a tiny handful of America’s mega-rich. In fact, according to USA Today, Harris has 83 billionaires supporting her—making up 6% of her campaign funds, according to Al Jazeera—while 52 are backing Trump, but they’re extremely generous donors, making up 34% of his campaign fund.

In other words: the country’s wealthiest are bankrolling the election, wielding political power and influence like never before. Not only is this bad news for democracy, it’s catastrophic for the planet.

Trump is unlikely to have a full term. J.D. Vance will become president. He is the future of the Republican party.

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Oh Jesus-fucking-Murphy, this election result and this thread has truly brought out the craziest of the crazy. Staying away from MoA till it all calms down.
Btw all, the war in Ukraine has only about 12 hours more to run, since Donald said he’d have it all sorted in 24 hours. /sarc

Posted by: Mother Mary | Nov 6 2024 21:40 utc | 101

Bu-bye Annalena.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 6 2024 21:37 utc | 95

Yes, good riddance to her. She has been a complete disaster.

Posted by: jure | Nov 6 2024 21:42 utc | 102

Kamala is finally unburdened by what has been. Rest easy girl.

Posted by: KirovLes | Nov 6 2024 21:44 utc | 103

Posted by: Milites | Nov 6 2024 21:38 utc | 97
Benito – is that you?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 6 2024 21:45 utc | 104

Mercouris has raised an amazing point: Trump is our modern equivalent to Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Like FDR, Trump’s base is regular Americans.
Like FDR, Trump is existentially hated by the American elites.
Like FDR, Trump has broken all sorts of electoral precedents in the modern era. Yes, Grover Cleveland also won non-consecutive terms but that was in the 1880s.
Can TDS heads explode more under the notion that the TDS’ hate and machinations are literally the equivalent of Smedley Butler’s Business Plot?
LOLOLOL

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 21:45 utc | 105

Not that anyone cares, but the 2020 election was probably not stolen in the sense being implied here. Obviously it was stolen in a deeper sense (the conspirators boasted about their ‘stealing the election’ on the cover of Newsweek!) but I doubt there was any explicit fraud. The polls clearly showed a Biden lead of about 10% over Trump after Trump’s mishandling over the Covid crisis and that didn’t change at all over the 3/4 months in the run up to the election.
OTOH the polls showed a 50/50 split between Trump and Harris in the run up to this election. Given that the US political system is inherently biased towards the Republicans by about 3% or so (call it gerrymandering, call it dumb luck, whatever) this always meant that it was likely that Trump would win (and yes I posted about this on Twitter in the weeks running up to the election so I can prove I said this!).
The polls can be wrong, but not that wrong, and not that consistently. This is hardly to say the US political system is perfect (Nixon, Bush and probably Reagan and JFK were brought to power by illicit means) but 2020 was probably not one of those occasions (ie in the sense that it was won by Biden because of ballot rigging).

Posted by: Hidari | Nov 6 2024 21:46 utc | 106

In fact as a statistical matter it seems pretty close to proof that the ‘fortification’ went beyond getting out the vote to double or triple counting of Democrat ballots.
Posted by: Jim C | Nov 6 2024 19:13 utc | 37
That’s an hypothesis. Unfortunately the evidence does not support the hypothesis.
In order to vote you have to give a name an address. If there were double or triple counting then there would be 18 million more votes tallied than there are on the public record of names and addresses. That would be evidence of fraud, but no such evidence exists. The simple fact is all the evidence supports the claim that 18 million more voted in 2020 than 2016. There is also something like 60 million additional citizens that are eligible to vote but did not vote. The fact is the number that voted in 2020 could have been a whole lot higher if more people cared enough to vote.
The voters in the election are not whats phony. Its the candidates and the parties that promote them that are rigged. You can’t be a a duopoly candidate without 100% approval of TPTB. And getting another 18 million sheeple sucked into voting for TPTB’s candidates is not exactly a poke in the eye to the ruling elites.
You can’t have it both ways. On the one hand you recognize that there are millions who Trump rubs the wrong way to the point that they become deranged, but when they get so riled up they decide to vote you pretend they don’t exist.
This time Trump toned down the rhetoric so fewer voters were as riled up. Plus there are millions of voters who would vote for a Bush or a Reagan but hate Trump. Those voters had no problem voting for a Biden but have a big problem voting for a non-white woman. Those voters sat this one out.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 6 2024 21:48 utc | 107

Lots of mericans must have died from covid since the last election, 18 million or so going by the vote count so far. Jeez Louise.

Posted by: Ogre | Nov 6 2024 21:48 utc | 108

I’ve posted/referred to your chart a few times – it’s a great snap summary. However, the question I have is: why? Why not repeat the 2020 steal?
Posted by: markw | Nov 6 2024 20:22 utc | 65
I’ll repeat my idea on that
“On a different note, as I also mentioned , Elon’s #toobigtorig worked (and dems were scared from 2 weeks ago threatening musk and all)
Posted by: Newbie | Nov 6 2024 18:52 utc | 30”

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 6 2024 21:49 utc | 109

This is an important moment:DT has upset the apple cart “virtually.” Now ho to get VP to the table, giving him what he wants: Zelensky and Biden on trial in Russia or a neutral venue. It is NOT impossible.

Posted by: Stierlitz | Nov 6 2024 21:49 utc | 110

Here’s my worry, nobody in the DNC has the authenticity to mobilize the American working class to the world war they have in the works, they planned it all out perfectly since 1997 except for a little bugaboo, no public trust left from the neoliberal breakdown, I really think they believed neoliberalism was functional and would leave enough prosperity around to maintain the legitimacy of the government but it all went down the toilet.
Trump on the other hand does have the needed credibility, fraudulent but when has that ever mattered, he’s the only one in the American political spectrum that can flip the narrative for the march to war – jingoism, enlistment drives, yellow ribbons and all that jazz. Trump is world class at making China an existential danger to middle America, that’s his element, he makes hating China fun, he’s the perfect MC for the China boogieman show, especially after all the claims he made about wanting peace so badly. A phony man of peace can best sell a war, it might really be that well thought out.
When Trump talks of 100% tariffs on any country trying to avoid the dollar, and it’s one of the few things he’s not talking shit over, he’s talking about protecting the petrodollar and the hegemony that it created, not the greenback people use at home to buy groceries and pay the mortgage, the 100% tariff thing itself is nonsense, it’s code for war, the petrodollar is what allowed the hegemony but also the de-industrialization and disinvestment of the USA, empowered China, and India and Russia, and made enemies of the global south, painted us into a corner and has us now rushing towards the last Great War of the colonial era, which is what WW3 actually is. Trump/Vance are every bit the neocon team players as Biden, Harris, HRC, Obama, the transition to Trump and his MAGA movement is exactly what the warmongers need going ahead.
Hope I’m wrong and Trump actually rises to the occasion as a statesman and prevents WW3, but the system is bulwarked to prevent that, and despite the bloviating Trump is lazy and an accommodator, decent people like Tulsi and RFKjr are sold on him, but Trump is all bullshit all the time, he sees the American people as rubes in his casino, which sadly is what they are. I think Tulsi and RFKjr are in for a let down. Trump’s made his deal with the GOP which is why they are fully behind him this time, so it’s a deal the GOP likes, that’s key here, and peace isn’t something they like any more than the blood covered Democrats.
Heel-Face turn in the kayfabe, and Trump is the Face they need for war.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 6 2024 21:53 utc | 111

Biden on trial
Posted by: Stierlitz | Nov 6 2024 21:49 utc | 109

Wait and see what happens to Hunter. The interregnum is 75 days.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 6 2024 21:53 utc | 112

Posted by: Mr. House | Nov 6 2024 18:36 utc | 20:

You mean like the host here did in 2020 when people questioned the covid narrative, and that is what it was, a narrative with a heap of murder by the healthcare industry.

The host here repeatedly requested that posters not to opine or troll on issue that they didn’t know to be facts but just casual conjectures. Then some trolls doubled down and trolled even nastier, as protests/challenges??? I was a silent reader during most of that time, a time when spreading false narrative was not a healthy discussion tactic during a pandemic crisis. When his requests were ignored over and over, what our host did was proper. At least in my opinion.
What are you up to by this posting of yours, grinding an axe??? It is possible that the healthcare industry was onto murders, but no one have yet provided the smoking gun or even ponderable proofs. Host of a blog that nips hearsay is a GOOD HOST! If you don’t like such blogs, go elsewhere voluntarily, without having to be kicked out.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 6 2024 21:57 utc | 113

A stolen election, however, does not necessarily require fraud.
The unprecedented flood of mail-in ballots to voters of which half of them didn’t bother to use them, 4 years later, is a very big sign that 2020 was stolen
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 21:40 utc | 98
Did you know that some states send every eligible voter a mail-in ballot for every election.
How is that stealing an election? Some people consider that making the election more open and just.
One could point out that in some states urban voters regularly have to stand in line for hours to vote.
That is by design in states that are controlled by a rural backed legislatures.
To me, making hard for some voters is a far more serious way of attempting to steal elections than making it easy to vote.
US elections are incredibly dirty. I have been getting election mailings for months that are filled with obvious and blatant lies and I’m talking about the election brochures from both parties.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 6 2024 22:08 utc | 114

@markw #15
I suspect the reason between your views and mine, is your understanding of the Deep State. Specifically, that you think the Deep State is some sort of Bondsian villain or committee.
The Deep State is not like that.
First of all, it is not the least bit unified. There are specific issues in which many/most of the Deep State support – like expansion of bureaucracy/bureaucratic power/bureaucratic budgets.
But in pretty much every other area, they are not.
Secondly, the Deep State does not operate by overt force in the United States. There aren’t horse’s heads in election official’s beds or kidnapped children on video. They operate by putting the right people (i.e. reliable) in the right places when they can. This works far better when it is not opposed than when it is.
Thirdly, the Deep State’s various “thought leaders” don’t operate in secrecy – they state their views and present their proposals completely openly in their internal forums – forums which are open to the public if you care to look for them and join in. These are not closed because these thought leaders operate literally how regular thought leaders work – they have to issue the ideas which other people adopt.
What happened in 2020 can be clearly traced to a set of ideas put forward in the mid-2018 time frame: focus on the fact that specific demographics which trend Democrat. How do you get these people to vote more? Well, mail-in ballots helps immensely. Rather than try to get people to do something, get mail-in ballots mailed to everyone regardless.
That was the thought leadership provided to all “proper thinking” Democrats – specifically Democrats in election bureaucracies. Normally this type of blatant manipulation is contested by the Republicans for obvious reasons…but they did not.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 22:12 utc | 115

Keep a very close eye Elon Musk,
Musk made Trump change his mind.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/03/15/to-the-moon-elon-musk-makes-dramatic-return-crypto-front-lines-amid-unprecedented-price-boom-thats-boosted-bitcoin-ethereum-xrp-solana-and-dogecoin/
He has been quietly acquiring money-transmitter licenses across the U.S. and has said it plans to “revolutionize” the payments system.
You don’t quietly buy money-transmitter licenses across the U.S if it is a no go. You buy them after bribing who you want to win the election on the agreement you get the green light of the candidate you bought wins. Musk will announce what all this means in due course now Trump has won.
Musk Plans To Replace PayPal, Visa And Banks Quietly Accelerates.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/01/16/elon-musk-reveals-surprise-crypto-holdings-as-x-plan-to-replace-paypal-visa-and-banks-quietly-accelerates-amid-bitcoin-price-swings/
BlackRock and Jamie Dimond is On board.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/01/14/this-is-just-the-beginning–blackrock-ceo-reveals-massive-crypto-plan-after-etf-sparks-wild-bitcoin-and-ethereum-price-swings/
Art of the deal. Trump gets paid huge sums and those who paid the huge sums can basically do what they want.
The Con:
You sell a USD stable coin that does not pay interest, take the USD you receive for the coin and invest it dollar for dollar in US govt bonds and collect the interest on the bonds for yourself….
So if musk sold $1B of his new coins and put that $1B in 10 yr treasuries right now you get 4.4 % or $44M every year for ten years just to operate a blockchain system…

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 6 2024 22:17 utc | 116

Jams O’Donnell | Nov 6 2024 21:25 utc | 91
If the yanks had been half smart they would have allied themselves with Russia against China. But in order to do that, the Russians would have to have been terminally stupid.

It’s a classic make vs buy decision. If you think you can defeat, conquer and possess an adversary’s resources, you don’t bother with alliances. Why bother with win-win when you think you can pull off a 100x banger? This is the core logic behind every empire.
If only we knew what we know now. Even worse, Russia did want to become part of NATO; talk about a turning point in history.

Posted by: markw | Nov 6 2024 22:17 utc | 117

Some think Trump might be assassinated before his term is out. Or, he joins a very small club of presidents that have more than two terms in office. My money is on the latter.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 6 2024 22:21 utc | 118

Roll on 2025
Germany’s government falls apart — how it happened
Sabine Kinkartz
28 minutes ago
Chancellor Olaf Scholz has dismissed Finance Minister Christian Lindner and Germany’s first three-way coalition government is now history.
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-government-falls-apart-how-it-happened/a-70717066

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 6 2024 22:22 utc | 119

They should have shoved Biden out two years before, to have the best chances. He was already losing it in 2020, but by 2022 it was painfully obvious. That was the key mistake. By the way, Biden had said he would serve one term, but went back on it to want to run again. (And his wife and staffers supported that, since they were tied to him.)
P.s. I was really hoping they would nominate Hildabeast again. Just for the crashing the cars dramah of it all. Harris was boring.

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 6 2024 22:23 utc | 120

Dont worry Trump is about to demonstrate within 24 hours of being elected, he doesnt know how to select people for his Administration.
Its reported he has selected a Congressman from Kentucky, Thomas Massie, as Secretary of Agriculture. Now Massie may be a great choice,BUT he’s a Member of The House of Representatives where the Republician will only have a scant few vote majority at best. Now this wouldn’t be so bad if the Governor of Kentucky was was a Republican, but he’s not. So if Massie resigns the Democrat Governor will replace him with Democrat cutting Republican majority further.
Thus his appointment of Massie to Agriculture will potentially endanger Trump’s entire legislative agenda.
And who is promoting Massie to this position? None other than the Senior Senator from Kentucky Mitch McConnell.
With JD Vance as his backup T’s personal safety is insured. He only needs to worry about any injury he’ll inflict on himself.

Posted by: Jerr | Nov 6 2024 22:23 utc | 121

Keep a very close eye on Elon Musk,
Musk made Trump change his mind.
Musk has been quietly acquiring money-transmitter licenses across the U.S. and has said it plans to “revolutionize” the payments system.
You don’t quietly buy money-transmitter licenses across the U.S if it is a no go. You buy them after bribing who you want to win the election on the agreement you get the green light of the candidate you bought wins. Musk will announce what all this means in due course now Trump has won.
Musk Plans To Replace PayPal, Visa And smaller Banks Quietly.BlackRock and Jamie Dimond is On board.
Art of the deal. Trump gets paid huge sums and those who paid the huge sums can basically do what they want.
The Con:
You sell a USD stable coin that does not pay interest, take the USD you receive for the coin and invest it dollar for dollar in US govt bonds and collect the interest on the bonds for yourself….
So if musk sold $1B of his new coins and put that $1B in 10 yr treasuries right now you get 4.4 % or $44M every year for ten years just to operate a blockchain system…
For some reason I can’t post the links that show the history of all this . But easily found on the internet business pages like Fobes, Bloomberg and Yahoo finance. It is all there from a few months back.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 6 2024 22:24 utc | 122

I went back to imgur to see if I got any bites, and the ambiance there is… « crestfallen ».
I was expecting a lot of hysteria, but folks are mostly just very sad, like their dog died. The only obvious exception is the trannies – holy crap, there are a lot more than I thought ! – who are hysterical about being rounded up and beaten by the Anti-Trans brigades, which Trump no doubt has at the top of his list !
Anyhow, trolling them actually made me a bit sad 😢

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 6 2024 22:24 utc | 123

Jeffrey Sachs live now on The Judge
…. commenting on Germany’s disastrous recent policies; and on Netanyahu
Prof. Jeffrey Sachs : Netanyahu On the Ropes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYYv4MoD-RU

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 6 2024 22:27 utc | 124

$16 billion on declared spend on 140 million voters that’s $115 per voter!
Jeez they could have just paid people that to people to go vote in person. 😂
He seems to have killed the Dem party this time with his personal GOP uniparty becoming even more of one with the poaching of RFK and Gabbard and many grassroots trad dems – as the voters income chart shows.
I’d still like to see all the actual data on the elections.
The pollsters got it so wrong that it seems like they were making up the numbers right upto the wire.
Something stinks about the 2020 votes that is obvious.
I’m quite astonished that not even 24 hours in and all the woes of the still in power warmakers and its bipartisan supporters and the whole narrative that s shifting the blame for all that on him instantly!
As the Aipac crows about how they still got over 150 of their guys and girls elected this time – how much did that cost as well? – means that it won’t be as easy to use the majority of both Houses to do much they don’t want.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 6 2024 22:33 utc | 125

Newbie | Nov 6 2024 21:49 utc | 108
Elon’s #toobigtorig worked (and dems were scared from 2 weeks ago threatening musk and all)

For over 100 years (it can be argued much longer), the US government has done exactly what it wants without any consideration of public opinion. Long before Goering shared his observations, even before Bernay’s codified the principles, or Hearst exploited the yellow press, it has always been understood that normies can be managed by narrative control.
I will never be convinced that anyone at any level felt one iota of concern about the potential scale/scope of political blowback from a repeat of the 2020 steal. Rather, the decision came from the very top: time to cut the losses, regroup and try again in another generation or two.
I really believe Trump was allowed to win in order to bring down the house of cards. The USA+ (Canada, MX & VZ) still has one of the globe’s largest holdings of natural resources. Its population of 350m is comprised of a mostly well ordered, ambitious work force. It does have a fairly stringent basis in law – if faithfully applied.
In other words, if Russia could come back in only 30 years after the fall of the disastrous USSR, what potential does the USA given all its inherent advantages to get right back up on center stage in only 20?
But it will require a clean slate; a sweep of all MIC money pits: carriers, planes and bases. It will require a top-to-bottom re-ordering of traditional institutions, which by following Milite’s quick list will accomplish just that.
If Trump doesn’t pursue this kind of radical agenda, then what would have been the point of allowing him to be elected? If the same old were to be continued, why not install the real deal (Biden/Harri) instead of a cheap knock off?
No, I think people have become so cycnical and disallusioned that they’re not clearly seeing what has happened and why it occurred.

Posted by: markw | Nov 6 2024 22:40 utc | 126

KirovLes @ 102

Kamala is finally unburdened by what has been. Rest easy girl.

Best post of the election.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 6 2024 22:40 utc | 127

Some think Trump might be assassinated before his term is out. Or, he joins a very small club of presidents that have more than two terms in office. My money is on the latter.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 6 2024 22:21 utc | 116
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He’d have to abrogate the Constitution to do that.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 6 2024 22:46 utc | 128

Musk’s X receives Pennsylvania money license in push toward payment features
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musks-x-receives-pennsylvania-money-license-push-toward-payment-features-2023-12-14/
He has been quietly buying them up all over America. Replace pay pal, Visa and smaller banks. And ideologues moan about central bank digital currencies. Musk has Blackrock and Jamie Dimond on board and the ideologues say he is a genius. Nothing to see here move along.
I’ve explained the con above and to date over $65 billion of these so called stable coins have been sold by their different creators. They are making an absolute fortune from this con.
Americans will be banking with the Bank of blockchain Musk soon enough as they are idiots. Watch this space very closely. The monetary silencing propaganda will be epic and on a whole different level.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 6 2024 22:47 utc | 129

Posted by: jinn | Nov 6 2024 21:48 utc | 106
18 million votes backed up by confirmed identities and addresses.
Yes. You are definitely lost in the woods.
Trump like FDR? If the Republicans keep the House, since they have the Senate and the Presidency, they also have something FDR never had.
A majority in the Supreme Court.

Posted by: kupkee | Nov 6 2024 22:47 utc | 130

Re the high numbers in 2020, as y’all recall, we spent about half that year sitting on our butts with little to do. Just sheer boredom and watching the MSM far more than healthy probably would cause quite a few people who normally don’t vote into doing so.
Pair that with mailed ballots to all due to Covid … I can see a one-time increase of 10% from this. And 10% times the normal voting population of 120 to 140 million provides the 10-15 million additional voters.
Or it might have been cheating … 🙂

Posted by: Caliman | Nov 6 2024 22:50 utc | 131

Kamala’s concession speech
https://x.com/dannyjokes/status/1854249869181067637?s=46

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 6 2024 22:51 utc | 132

I just got a text to be a plaintiff in a class action lawsuit against Trump. It says:
“Please fill out this form to be considered in a class action lawsuit against Trump. Read this document to learn more about the process: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h4K3XTIrHbgg3enM9e-aOg7RBKKVW3-MNy8Of4x4fR4/edit?usp=sharing. Donald J. Trump was the top vote getter and has secured enough potential support to be elected on November 5th 2024, and will likely win the electoral college. Although, he will not officially be elected by the Electoral College until late December, he is unqualified for the office of President of the United States for the following reasons: 1. Violation of the 14th Amendment, Section 3 (Insurrection Clause )Background: Section 3 of the 14th Amendment states that anyone who has taken an oath to support the Constitution and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” or gave aid to those who did cannot hold any civil or military office in the U.S.Application: Some argue that Trump’s role in the events surrounding January 6, 2021, and efforts to overturn the 2020 election could meet the legal threshold for “engaging in insurrection or rebellion,” thus disqualifying him from future office. 2. Interference with Federal and State Election Processes Background: Trump has been accused of attempting to interfere with lawful election certification processes and pressuring officials to overturn certified election results.Application: Multiple investigations, including indictments in federal court and Georgia, allege that Trump sought to obstruct and undermine the election processes, raising concerns about his adherence to constitutional principles. 3. Obstruction of Justice Background: During his presidency, the Mueller Report outlined instances where Trump may have obstructed justice, such as attempts to impede the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.Application: Although no charges were filed while he was in office, the reported acts of obstruction could be seen as an abuse of power and incompatible with the role of the President. 4. Mishandling and Unauthorized Retention of Classified Information Background: Trump has been charged in federal court for the unlawful retention and mishandling of classified documents after his presidency.Application: Mishandling sensitive national security information contradicts the responsibilities of the office and raises concerns about his commitment to safeguarding national security. 5. Multiple Indictments for Fraud and Conspiracy. Background: Trump has been indicted on numerous criminal charges, including conspiracy to defraud the United States, falsifying business records, and fraud related to his business practices.Application: The charges, especially those alleging conspiracies to undermine public trust and the democratic process, suggest behavior that may be incompatible with the office of the presidency.6. Violation of Presidential Ethics and Norms. Background: Throughout his term, Trump was accused of using the office for personal financial gain, including conflicts of interest with Trump Organization properties and international dealings.Application: Critics argue that Trump’s business entanglements and profit-driven activities while in office indicate an inability to separate personal interest from public duty.These arguments reflect public legal and ethical debates surrounding Donald Trump’s eligibility and are generally supported by both indictments and independent investigations.”
It seems like there is now going to be some kind of goofy lawfare to prevent Trump from being sworn in as president. Hmmm…

Posted by: nazcalito | Nov 6 2024 22:52 utc | 133

The Deep State lost its chance to eliminate Trump and Trumpism when Crooks or whoever it was missed the shot in Butler right before the Republican convention. If Trump had been killed then, perhaps a non-Trumpist candidate could have gotten the nomination.
But once Vance got the VP nomination, that chance was lost. Even if they kill both Trump and Vance now, the new Congress that must approve any substitutes will now be in Trumpist hands.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 6 2024 22:58 utc | 134

Only a matter of time folks…
https://www.coinspeaker.com/musk-stablecoin-x-debate/
He wasn’t giving Trump all of this money because he likes him. He wants this pushed through. So that Musk can print money himself.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 6 2024 23:04 utc | 135

Posted by: Mr. House | Nov 6 2024 18:36 utc | 20
“Apologizing would be a good start to healing the divide, but people would rather go to their grave not doing it.”
Most difficult phrase in any language: “I was wrong.”

Posted by: Paranaense | Nov 6 2024 23:06 utc | 136

@ Don Firineach | Nov 6 2024 22:27 utc | 122
thanks don.. listening now.. it’s good… some others here might enjoy listening..

Posted by: james | Nov 6 2024 23:13 utc | 137

that’s another great interview from jeffrey sachs.. i recommend it..

Posted by: james | Nov 6 2024 23:23 utc | 138

Haven’t been following closely, but has the “Russian meddling” meme been exhumed by the Wurlitzer yet?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Nov 6 2024 23:26 utc | 139

@Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 6 2024 21:57 utc
I think you’re due for your quarterly booster shot friend! Roll up that sleeve 😉
The lies were so obvious in 2020, and the fact that you still defend them, can’t trust your own judgement and require the authorities to tell you, yes that really screwed it up and punish themselves, tells me alot about you.

Posted by: Mr. House | Nov 6 2024 23:39 utc | 140

Wow barflies this thread is on fire 🔥 some of the best comments ever. A perfect storm of analysis. Thanks all. I was going to list you all but it got very long.
I’ll add my tuppence, pretty much same as many.
It seems that Trump had it in the bag months ago especially after the battle of bloody ear and the endless rallies he was on.
He was calling the shots even getting Johnson in as Speaker and was involved in okaying the $60 billion to shelenskys money laundry.
Followed by the Tech billionaires ‘rushing’ to his side and having their young Great Hope Vance installed when he survived the first shot. JD may do a full term as veep followed by two more full ones as prez and still be younger than many ex presidents. Clean broom and all that – what I’ve heard of him speaking shows he is well schooled and can answer back smoothly. His billionaire has him trained well.
The xenophobic Nazis Ukropians and the unelected EU proxies lining up to win the long planned provocation to get Russia; when that faltered it was followed by the Ziofascist Holocaust to exterminate the Semitic Peoples of the Levant and taking over the whole eastern Mediterranean as compensation (again!). Whilst poking the dragon bear as it rises and coagulates the multipolar.
The RF and Iranian advanced weapons more than a match for the natzo wunderwaffen and the bare arsed MIC.
As well as their collective SCO /BRICS economic fortitude and strategic alliances.
The RF official response to his election is well muted and derogatory- Trump will have to make the first move and he will have to go meet them in Kazan or something.
Attempt a New Yalta and beg for spheres of influence for the rump fallen collective wasters empire to own and go in purdah with whilst still getting the resources and uranium to keep the electricity generating.
Having lost soft power and hard power options over the global south means that the retreat is on.
When everyone knows you have a small stick you better not speak too softly.
Trump gets to carry that can.
Is he an out and out fascist?
He is a New York bore and a tv personality a lot like our Bozo Clown Johnson was. But does he really want to see thousands of bodybags coming from all over the world every month? He seems too much of a loud mouth bully wimp for that.
I’ve never seen any photos of him with big guns or in uniforms – maybe that will come.
Above all I’m quite astonished that not even 24 hours in and all the woes of the still in power warmakers and its bipartisan supporters are having their sins and blame shifted on him instantly!
As the ziomoney Aipac crows about how they got over 150 of their guys and girls elected means that it won’t be as easy to use the Houses to do much that their minders object to as their bipartisans gerrymander. Quite an excuse for not being able to deliver the maximalist promises isn’t it?
Best he’ll get is what he can make happen by opening real dialogue with the unstoppable Multipolar and hope to get his billionaires a piece of that big pie instead of just the crumbs they will otherwise be left with. His Nixon in China moment.
The big story is how the natzos our old AngloEuropean Imperial dreamers will now hope to join in on that begging deal too – given that woke and green new deal $trillions by grabbing the last great resources of the global south under fake pretence of saving the planet plan is headin at a brick wall at speed.
That’s what I believe Sachs and other such luminaries are doing their rounds for too. The flim flam professors making coping noises to convince the Multipolarists that not everyone is mad as a hatter in the west and wants to kill or enslave all of them as they have been used to for centuries. So please cut us a break.
They probably need his deal making bluster to have any chance of getting a foot in the door of the house they have spent generations and all of this century so far trying to blow up!
Cheers folks.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 6 2024 23:48 utc | 141

*****
kupkee @128
“Trump like FDR?”
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FYI- FDR being a true Democrat
proposed a reorganization bill to Congress that would allow the president to appoint a new justice for each one who was at least 70 years old. It didn’t happen. Many Dems also thought it was Court Packing. He eventually appointed 9 Justices the old fashion way – filling vacancies from death and retirement.
Some things change somethings remain the same.

Posted by: Jerr | Nov 6 2024 23:51 utc | 142

re james | Nov 6 2024 23:23 utc | 136
Sorry I cannot agree, Sachs is a committed liberal zionist. He is the worst sort of hypocrite who urges the law to be upheld at the same time as he supports eurojews holding on to land stolen from Palestinians by Ottomans who from 1870 onwards resold their stolen goods from around Jaffa (currently known as tel aviv) to wealthy eurobankers indulging in property speculation.
By the 1920’s that small clutch of eurojews had grown sufficiently for them to gear up with the latest military gee-gaws ‘n chase all the remaining Palestinian farmers off their land around Jaffa which was then onsold (allegedly to raise funds for the ’cause’). By 1949 the flood of eurojews from fascist pogroms in central & eastern europe were sufficient to drive the indigenous population away from 78% of Palestine.
Most Palestinians who fled Palestine ended up in Lebanon where the zionists slaughtered them repeatedly, Syria or Egypt.
Those that didn’t get overseas ended up in Gaza. Like the Gazans more than 90% those who fled Palestine ended up in refugee camps where they still currently live as stateless humans without any chance of a viable future.
Fuck all zionists liberal, right, or left, they are seeking to profit from the misery of millions of other humans because unlike Palestinians they chose not to fight back against their oppressors in europe & amerika. Instead of punching up, they went for the easy way – punching down. This injustice and the resultant violence such huge injustices inevitably cause, will remain until europe and amerika are forced to redress their crimes.
In other words it is the nations that knowingly rejected the eurojew refugees before during & after the rise of nazism as well as those who chased, murdered, and raped them who must right their wrongs, not the poor buggers who were at the bottom of the heap at the time, Palestinians who have endured this generational oppression and misery for far too long.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 6 2024 23:56 utc | 143

CNN/…interesting to see that they let him finish speaking…
NoName | Nov 6 2024 19:44 utc | 51
OMG. The guy was actually allowed the speak full sentences, using a moderate modulated voice. Not only did he speak whole sentences without being shouted over, and thus needing to raise his voice to be heard…. He was allowed to speak several sentences together, and deliver a considered coherent point of view.
Easily the singular most astonishing thing I’ve seen on CNN in maybe a decade.
I am so weary of being irritated by interviewers of all stripes inviting a guest for discussion, then delivering long winded monologues,… and when the guest is finally afforded an opportunity to speak, they then jump straight back in and drown out the guest (even a fellow traveler). Shouting and overtaking isn’t only applied to guests with a dissenting view.
If Trump’s election puts even a temporary pause on the shouting, then, hallelujah!

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 7 2024 0:02 utc | 144

@William Gruff (3) “ The CIA tried to assassinate Castro 638 times and failed each one, so maybe Trump still has some years ahead of him.”
Yeah, but they managed to get JFK with only one attempt (that we know of).

Posted by: Rob | Nov 7 2024 0:05 utc | 145

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 6 2024 19:06 utc | 35
who didn’t to their basic civil duty and vote

Is this really you, karlof1? I assumed you have a class POV. Why would it be a civic duty to vote in a capitalist system where we *at best* have a say in which capitalist/owner faction gets a bit more leeway?
I don’t mind people voting but “duty” makes you sound like a politics teacher in front of 10 graders. So so sad.

Posted by: Konami | Nov 7 2024 0:06 utc | 146

I’ve been expecting 53 foot trailers to show up at a few large “counting” centers in Mi, Pa and Wi filled with fake ballots all for Biden oops Harris…… I guess Harris is not worth the level of cheating that got Biden 81 million suspect, fake ballot sheets she was almost 10 million shy on 2020 and Trump seems to have more popular votes.

Posted by: paddy | Nov 7 2024 0:07 utc | 147

Some day a future Adolf will bleat “Who remembers the Palestinians?” Gone, with their persecutors soon to follow.

Posted by: Bagration | Nov 7 2024 0:28 utc | 148

@ Debsisdead | Nov 6 2024 23:56 utc | 141
i doubt you listened to the video, but instead are riffing off the past and your knowledge of sachs wrong views from the past… i share you concerns, but in fact, if you listen you’ll find he has a lot of value to share… i know.. you are not going to… everything you say, has been said before and i agree with most all of it except the part where you’ve freeze dried an image of sachs from the past and are unwilling to consider his words at this point… that’s fine too.. to each their own.. thanks for chiming in!

Posted by: james | Nov 7 2024 0:30 utc | 149

@ LightYearsFromHome | Nov 6 2024 21:53 utc | 110
thanks for your commentary.. i meant to tell you i read it and found it an interesting theory.. i guess we’ll have to wait and see..
@ Oriental Voice | Nov 6 2024 21:57 utc | 112
i liked your viewpoint expressed in this post and appreciate the value you add to moa! cheers..

Posted by: james | Nov 7 2024 0:33 utc | 150

I have no love for neither Trump nor Harris; as far as I’m concerned they’re both evil little shits and if they are the best and brightest the nation can muster for the top office then God help us.
HOWEVER, now that Trump is in like Flynn, I would be remiss if I didn’t congratulate him and hope he does a good job for the nation. I’m sincere in the former, but skeptical on the latter. I simply don’t see much changing at all. The MIC is too comfortable getting fat checks for the Ukraine debacle, and I don’t see Trump turning off the gravy train to Israel, either. The border will continue to be an issue until we take rather draconian measures, and I don’t see that happening. We have a lot of mending fences to do with Russia, perhaps to the point of finally (and correctly) disbanding NATO, or at least withdrawing from it. There are, of course, one million other pressing issues that must be addressed; I’m not sure Trump is good for two terms this time around, so I hope he does the right things first.
Then again, Trump is a capitalist and when money is on the table he’s liable to do anything. So we’ll see.

Posted by: John S | Nov 7 2024 0:37 utc | 151

B: Trump is unlikely to have a full term. J.D. Vance will become president. He is the future of the Republican party.
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I think some commenter draw the wrong (IMO) conclusoin from this statement.
Trump is 78. Being the president of the USA is challenging—requires energy 24/7.
I think Trump will be relying heavily on Vance, whom he described as having a good brain and that was why he chose him.
When he thinks Vance is ready to take over (or maybe Trump will have a genuine health issue), Trump will pull a Biden—but he’ll do it much smarter than Biden. He’ll lay the groundwork to step down and finally retire. If we are lucky we might get Tulsi moved into the no. 2 spot with Vance at no. 1.
Then we’ll have something really interesting: a bipartisan duo in the WH with an Indian first lady and a Hawaiian ex-Democrat VP lady with a military background.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 7 2024 0:50 utc | 152

Chris N You are trying to delegitimize Trump and it is not working
Posted by: south | Nov 6 2024 18:12 utc | 8
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I noticed that too.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 7 2024 0:52 utc | 153

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 6 2024 18:43 utc | 24
The US didn’t “help” the Cuban Revolution, at most, in the end, it didn’t prevent its victory.
Mostly for two reasons:
-Batista had become too cumbersome
-when the revolution triumphed, it was Fidel’s M-19 that triumphed, not the Communist Party, and Fidel, at the time, was not and did not claim to be a communist.
The Cuban Communists, and even more so the Russians, didn’t trust Fidel first, suspecting him of being an adventurer or, worse still, an anarchist.
The first clandestine meetings of the M-19 in Havana were held in clandestine anarchist places, not communist ones.
Russians preferred his brother Raoul, an orthodox communist.
The USA and its agencies thought they could do with Fidel Castro, that it would be possible to turn him around.
There are many US media reports, made just after the Triumph, where Castro is presented in a favorable, sympathetic light.
This is probably one of the biggest failures of the empire’s agencies, they had not understood who they were dealing with : unable to detect and then unable to eliminate.
The rest is simple, in short while Fidel was looking for a new way and sovereignty by trading with the USA and the USSR, the US refineries refused to process the crude that Cuba bought from the Russians.
Without hesitation Fidel nationalized and expropriated.
The US responded by taking sanctions, the Cubans nationalized all the US companies present on the island.
Also, Fidel took control of the communist party of which he did not become a simple member but the president. which allowed him to obtain help from the USSR. Clever, right?
From that moment on, the USofA, usually through subcontractors, attempted countless times to assassinate Fidel. On the one hand, Fidel was very well protected, but above all, he benefited from luck that defied reason. A large number of these attempts, particularly in the early years of the revolution, remained attempts only thanks to luck (a delay, a vehicle that broke down, a shot that didn’t go off, etc.), luck that contributed to the aura and support that Fidel had from Cubans, a good number of whom (even within the party) practice religion(s) where luck has meaning.

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Nov 7 2024 0:54 utc | 154

While we wait to see what Trump does about Israel, I note that Israeli settlers are accomplishing what Holocaust Deniers failed to do.
They are making the Holocaust irrelevant by their violent, pogrom-like behavior – in addition to genocide.
As for Ukraine, Trump should insist on elections – to stall the process and get rid of Zelensky. As for war in general, he should hold a conference including everybody to create consensus on global politics – that considers what the US actually has or can reasonably do, rather than the knee jerk, Helter skelter mess that Neo Cons have created. This way, he can fend off recreational bombing until the whole study is finished.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 7 2024 0:54 utc | 155

DunGroanin | Nov 6 2024 23:48 utc | 139
Best he’ll get is what he can make happen by opening real dialogue with the unstoppable Multipolar and hope to get his billionaires a piece of that big pie instead of just the crumbs they will otherwise be left with.
The old AngloEuropean Imperial dreamers will now hope to join in on that begging deal too – The flim flam professors making coping noises to convince the Multipolarists that not everyone is mad as a hatter in the west and wants to kill or enslave all of them as they have been used to for centuries.

LOL always enjoy your posts. There aren’t many words like bore and boor that work either way.
As I posted at Karlof1’s substack, the overlords may be evil, but they are certainly rational. The crazy talk, like any public display of emotion, is purely the retail message for general consumption. As you note, we can now see the rapid race to claim the last remaining seats available at the 21st century Yalta conference, where the post Western empire will be carved up to serve the global south.
That’s why I’ve posited many times that Trump was allowed his victory (without interference) to engineer and manage a controlled collapse. Billionaires and trillionaires didn’t acquire/steal their wealth without at least a basic understanding of fractional reserve lending. It must always expand otherwise it will collapse. No Russian resources stolen to feed the machine, no more dollar. It’s really just that simple and nothing really to cry about. The players are all big boys and know the stakes; after all, it’s not personal, just business.
If the collapse of the dollar really gets out of control, then the West will have that much more difficulty getting back into the game. As I’ve said, if it only took Russia 30 years after the disastrous experience of the USSR, how long would it take the USA, UK, F & D to do an about face and get back to basics?
But for that to occur, a negotiated and managed series of devaluations, structured defaults and rebalancing of national economies will need to be performed with the cooperation (and approval) of the ROW.

Posted by: markw | Nov 7 2024 0:57 utc | 156

Erratum : “M-26-7” not “M-19”, sorry.

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Nov 7 2024 1:00 utc | 157

Washington? Bwa hwa hwa ha ha ha ha

Posted by: petra | Nov 7 2024 1:00 utc | 158

re. #3 “CIA tried to assassinate Castro 638 times and failed each one, so maybe Trump still has some years ahead of him.”
Trump is not Trudeau’s father.

Posted by: Matt | Nov 7 2024 1:04 utc | 159

The 2020 election was stolen.
I am a witness.
Between 1am and 4am US time all sort of shenanigans occurred.
Some vid and pics that were incontrovertible “caught in the act” evidence, only made it to the internet for a few hours (at most) before forever being disappeared.
The steal was the Crime of the Century.
And if you think the intel agencies are going to leave “evidence” of a crime of this magnitude, …. keep believing in secure elections, Santa, Tooth Fairy and the Easter bunny.
Disappearing people, drugs, guns and electoral interference is what intel agencies do.
The 2020 steal wasn’t their first rodeo…. They’ve been stealing elections globally for at least half a century, probably longer.
The Steal was a long planned operation. It nearly came unstuck when the pro-Trump vote was stronger than they gamed. They had to step in, stop the vote, “find” votes, and manipulate the voting machines.
Those of us on the internet during those hours watched it happen.
It was messy, and later, astute analysts could detect the interference.
From 6am / breakfast tv U$ time, all controlled media were fully on script, Mockingbird chorus crowing about Biden’s win.
Unsuspecting Americans, who went to bed comfy Trump had won, woke and were confused to see the massive (late) “swing”) to Biden.
Anyone questioning was silenced, canceled. Ridiculed.
Anyone with messy real evidence of the steal had they devices taken and purged.
There were a few convenient, accidental deaths. Seth Rich being a much earlier Example To All.
Most people have family or similar vulnerabilities for effective threats and coercion.
Enough of the right people were in place, from the county officials, local judges, state apparatchiks, … all the way up to the head of the CIA, who flew overnight to Germany to oversee the electronic “correction” of the vote. (It was important to have the electronic manipulation occur outside the U$).
All this happened in the open, but was never reported. The controls in place with media and intel agencies meant there was no way for individuals to present “evidence”.
If you didn’t see all this, that’s exactly how it was intended.
That you didn’t see it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
***
A desperate man grabs a weapon, a mask, and robs the bank one town over.
If it’s better planned, he has accomplices…an insider and an alibi.
Inevitably the small time schmuck gets caught…
But if you’re International Finance, you rob every bank globally, and you not only get away with it, you’re rewarded.
The intel agencies stole the election. Maybe a few county officials got caught due to “irregularities”, but those that planned, and had the 2020 steal executed, are Invisible and Untouchable. International Finance and International Intel are like the two strands of DNA. Indivisible.
Don’t keep chanting “there’s no evidence”.
Of course there’s “no evidence”…. now.
There was blatant, naked evidence between 1am and 3am U$ time.
Phouff. It was almost all gone by 9am… (yes, they moved that fast)… and you want evidence 4 years later. …
L-O-L.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 7 2024 1:05 utc | 160

It seems many here are struggling to square their sincerely held belief that the 2020 US election results were a massive fraud perpetrated against the public, and their firmly held belief that the 2024 US election results were decided fairly. The proof of the stolen election conjecture is in the pudding: if anti-democratic forces were able to defraud the public in such a colossal way, and no one has been punished for it and no conspiracy has been brought to justice before the public, how could there ever be free elections again?

Posted by: a stone | Nov 7 2024 1:05 utc | 161

@104 c1ue
Are you aware of how disastrous a president FDR was, not only for the U.S. but for the world?
If Trump was to mimick FDR, he would have to:
1) inherit an economy in ruin (check)
2) embark on a social security program that would centralize government control with a quid pro quo gimmick (cbdc or digital id tags)
3) when this would not show the levels of success needed to thwart domestic reactionaries who fought against that power grab, he would have to have an external enemy to focus the nation on at the last minute (the Axis) and need an event to get patriots to go over there (Pearl Harbor).
4) engage in atrocity 10x that of Nazi Germany.
5) in the end, take a heavy-handed and punitive approach to post-war reconciliation, starving millions of Germans and establishing permanent colonies there and in Japan.
6) lead the way into the next 50 years of cold war paranoia with a monstrous double in the form of communism and make sure hundreds of thousands of American lives are fed to the grinder.
7) After, embark on spoil-tours in Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Lebanon, and more acting as world police.
8) bring us to the point of nuclear war with Russia currently

Yes, I would sau FDR has been a boon for the world. I hope Trump can duplicate this.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 7 2024 1:15 utc | 162

@jinn #113
Just because a practice is known and accepted in one state, does not automatically make it reasonable or fair in another.
This is redoubled when the intent of mass mail-in ballots was very publicly (to those paying attention) intended to gain an advantage for one party.
I note you make zero reference to the other, clearly dubious practices in 2020 regarding signature checks and other standard mail-in ballot “trust and safety” measures.
One major reason why mass mail-in ballots are bad is precisely because of the massively greater burden required to prevent fraud.
This same ulterior motive is what lies behind the utterly ludicrous notion that ID is not required to vote.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 7 2024 1:23 utc | 163

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 7 2024 1:15 utc | 160
FDR was one of your better presidents. Admittedly there aren’t many to choose from.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Nov 7 2024 1:23 utc | 164

@NemesisCalling #160
FDR did many terrible things, and he also did many great things.
Domestically, he was unquestionably a net good.
Internationally, he was clearly a warmonger. He was horrifically racist against Asians in general and Japanese in particular.
But that’s how real life goes: you get good and bad with every person.
On net: I think FDR preserved balance domestically in the US for at least a generation, much as his uncle Teddy did earlier.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 7 2024 1:26 utc | 165

In other words: the country’s wealthiest are bankrolling the election, wielding political power and influence like never before. Not only is this bad news for democracy, it’s catastrophic for the planet.
Come on B, don’t fall for it, please. This is not democracy, this is plutocratic oligarchy. Period. Said otherwise: dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
Democracy does not exist in western countries. Pure propaganda. No people could decide about war, about support to the ukronazis or to the judeonazis.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 7 2024 1:27 utc | 166

I hate to break it to some here, but Trump will fulfill his term. He was flying everywhere, pumping handshakes, dancing, making 🍟. I know I could not keep up his schedule.
He may like a bad diet but he’s got the best healthcare available and has a great constitution.
He will survive and there will be no assassination. AIPAC will see to that as they looove him.
If vance is going to take over he’ll have to wait and go through the election process.

Posted by: Archetypex | Nov 7 2024 1:28 utc | 167

On the 2020 steal and 2024 win I’ll just add a couple of things.
1. You can sucker punch someone who doesn’t know how to fight
2. Appart from knowing it was coming, he had some SOBs of his own, didn’t someone mention elon’s father was mi6, vance connected to cia and god knows who and what RK JR knows
A bit like bombing beduins vs peer level war

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 7 2024 1:32 utc | 168

@Mr. House, #138:
I’m surprised that you read my comment as being one in defense of the healthcare industry. Actually I’m contemptuous of the US healthcare industry. I have no confidence in their advises or the way they do business. I think of them as money snatchers.
I was taking exception to you taking potshot at b for banning posters who did not abide by the rules he set and the specific requests he made on posters making accusations that were not substantiated. What b did was different from what MSM does sanctioning comments that do not conform to their political liking.
Anyway, I have no desire to debate you do this is the last comment I’ll make on this thread.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 7 2024 1:37 utc | 169

Yeah, but they managed to get JFK with only one attempt (that we know of).
Posted by: Rob | Nov 7 2024 0:05 utc | 143
There was at least one previous attempt, in Chicago.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=JFK+assassination+attempt+in+Chicago&ia=web

Posted by: Naive | Nov 7 2024 1:38 utc | 170

@ south 18
“Also Putin is on par with but not surpassing Bismark
The comparison with Bismark needs to include the fact that Putin started his maratahon at least 40 to 100 km behind where BIsmark stated his race. In 1862, the Prussians were on the rise and already had a project to assemble a German state by fighting and winning a number of short wars against less powerful princes and states. But those conquests were all obviously very achievable with his Prussuan armies.
The comparison breaks down entirely because Putin stated with a Russia that was devastated economically, spiritually, militarily and politically. His internal enemies were experienced at chewing up reformers and spitting them out. Russia’s external enemies were powerful and experienced, as well.
Putin only had three aces in his hand:
(1) The Russian people had been so badly raped by their fake Western friends (and their proxies), that the people seriously didn’t want any more of it.
(2) I have no evidence, but I believe there were siloviki behind Putin who understood he was a man to support. Unfortunately his supporters probably included Zionists. That’s what John Helmer says and I think the facts support Helmer’s view. I don’t count that so much against VVP because he was doing the very best he could, given how far behind he and his nation started. Outside of the Mideast, no one has the power or the balls to piss off the Zionists.
(3) Russia has all the natural and human resources to become great again.
Bismark was certainly wise and a great statesman, even though he started optional wars. Putin is at least as wise, but moreover, he is a great statesman like the world and history rarely see. And … Putin has never fought an optional war because he is Russian to the core.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Nov 7 2024 1:40 utc | 171

karlof1 | Nov 6 2024 19:06 utc | 35
*** The chart would be correct if it included all those eligible to vote thus showing the number of those who didn’t to their basic civil duty and vote. One of the main reasons the Outlaw US Empire is ruled by an Oligarchy is because too many citizens decline to perform the duties of citizen, which go far beyond voting. IMO, that’s the primary reason for the USA’s dysfunctionality, and it’s been ongoing since 1783.***
Consider the situation in Britain…..
The Political Establishment has the mass-media and big money … plus control of regulations pertaining to elections. Whitehall ensures continuity of rule and agenda.
The large Parties are near enough identical. They hardly even bother to disguise that fact any more. All thoroughly bought and owned …. but in reality not by the UK public — and mostly loyal to foreign and financial interests considerably damaging to the county.
Voting will not — will not be allowed to — change it. Regardless of turnout.
Just what else are ordinary people *supposed* to do? **
And don’t forget Pompeo’s threat in 2019.
Is the USA significantly different to the above?
** The pre-union constitution of Scotland from 1328 was the only one I know of that stated it was the *duty* of the people (which at the time, only meant the top people) to depose a Monarch who acted against the national interest.
But even that didn’t seem to work very well….

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 7 2024 1:41 utc | 172

Quote
“Trump is unlikely to have a full term.”
In other words, the Deep State psychos will assassinate him.
Sadly, that’s probably true. I wonder how the American people will take that?
Posted by: William Gruff | ”
Correct.
All the people and high politicians of USA who were not British vassal, were killed like Abraham Lincoln by British supported confederacy sympathiser, Irish John f.kennedy, etc
English pirates dislike trump because he is not too much supportive of funding Nato-an organisation created by British to bully Europe on back of American arms and money

Posted by: Sam | Nov 7 2024 1:43 utc | 173

Quote
“Trump is unlikely to have a full term.”
In other words, the Deep State psychos will assassinate him.
Sadly, that’s probably true. I wonder how the American people will take that?
Posted by: William Gruff | ”
Correct.
All the people and high politicians of USA who were not British vassal, were killed like Abraham Lincoln by British supported confederacy sympathiser, Irish John f.kennedy, etc
English pirates dislike trump because he is not too much supportive of funding Nato-an organisation created by British to bully Europe on back of American arms and money

Posted by: Sam | Nov 7 2024 1:43 utc | 174

Posted by: osi not ossi | Nov 6 2024 21:12 utc | 84
Amen to that,osi not ossi. (My computer seems to have fixed itself.)

Posted by: juliania | Nov 7 2024 1:47 utc | 175

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Nov 6 2024 22:24 utc | 120
USD stable coins do earn interest. Most exchanges or even wallets can link to staking. 10% interest for stable coins was standard for a decade. More than any bank will give for actual cash.

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 7 2024 1:48 utc | 176

@ markw 87
Thank you for the quotes and link to Sergey Glazyev’s article. It’s a refreshing breath of optimism by merely laying out a possible future that would be far far better than what the world has been facing. He is working out what it will be like if Trump does the right things. That’s very questionable, but at least it gives us an idea of where to apply pressure here in the US.
GLazyev is a very important political economist with a unique understanding of what’s going on. I’ve followed him for years, but not consistently enough.
that URL again:
Link to Sergey Glazyev’s article
It’s in Telegram, in Russian, but those are minor hurdles. Just get a subscription to Telegram if you don’t already have one, and use a machine translation.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Nov 7 2024 2:00 utc | 177

– Tom Cotton (Arkansas) & Mike Pompeo are rumoured to be appointed in the Trump administration. These are Pro Israle Hawks.

Posted by: WMG | Nov 7 2024 2:06 utc | 178

Sure, buddy, 2020, another pristine expression of American democracy and decency. Not.
Posted by: kupkee | Nov 6 2024 19:36 utc | 44
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I think a lot of people forget these details that you have recounted. Even though when memory is prodded they must recall how they experienced them in real time. I sure do.
I agree that there was plenty of evidence of fraud that should have been weighed in courts of law.
This never happened because plaintiffs filing lawsuits about these potential frauds were said not to have “standing” to pursue these lawsuits/investigations. I think some plaintiffs or those making various types of filings were state AGs.
I see little to no difference between “fraud” and “stolen.”
J6 was “steered” to derail the demo’s goal from taking place, which was to prod the Congress not to certify the election results.
After the J6 demonstrators were labeled insurrectionists the MSM made not just questioning the 2020 election results taboo, but even the very idea of challenging election counts or investigating potential voting frauds was made taboo. Which was funny in light of the 2000 and 2004 debacles.
One thing that was “funny” was that after 2000 there was a lot of noise about how extremely rare voter fraud was (someone voting who was not entitled to do so). This conclusion remained warm on the back burner for the intervening 20 years during which the enormous influx of illegal migrants and the explosion of electronic communications represented totally new dangers to the integrity of the vote. Then along came covid and the coup de grace of mail-in ballots.
Now, people who seek to prevent election fraud obviously potentiated by new circumstances have the old “rareness” conclusion pot from the back burner thrown in their faces, along with accusations that they are racist and are trying to make it harder for minorities to vote.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 7 2024 2:08 utc | 179

jeez james of course I watched & listened to the video. sachs repeatedly talked about how it would be in the best interests of the entity’s zionists to quit the genocide.
instead of sledging me by allegation why don’t you pause for a moment and think about the issues involved which led to the current situation. ‘Stopping the genocide’ will never be enough. Yeah many other settler colonies got away with it however the entity’s crimes are still fresh in the minds of too many to be dismissed outta hand. The creation of a state of Palestine side by side with the entity is never going to be acceptable to most Palestinians except the likes of scum careerists such as mahmoud abbas, a quisling who is loathed by Palestinians even more than nutty yahoo is.
As soon as it becomes apparent to the entity’s inhabitants Palestinian state of any type is coming into being the vast majority of eurojews and their descendants will leave; as the ineffectiveness of the iof reveals, the entity’s inhabitants mostly lack the balls to fight effectively.
Some of the mizrahi mob will remain & try to fight, those who lack the insight into the real cause of their misery will at least, the rest will look for an accommodation with Palestinians for at least as long as it takes for them to get back onside with the West Asian nations which had protected them from xtian oppression for centuries, after which many will return to Morocco, Iraq & Syria.
It is possible that some mizrahi will seek revenge upon the eurojew mob who A) conspired to get those M.E. nations to expel mizrahi because the entity needed manual labour once the Palestinians balked at assisting the gang who had stolen their lands from them and B) treated the mizrahi as badly as they had treated Palestinians the indigenous inhabitants. The oppression was awful – stealing then adopting out newborn babies, sterilizing mizrahi women without informing them as well as confining the men to manual labour employment.
This genocide is not some sort of atypical aberration, it is an intrinsic part of the ptsd suffering eurojew sociopathy which has continued for at least 4 generations and counting.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 7 2024 2:15 utc | 180

that’s another great interview from jeffrey sachs.. i recommend it..
Posted by: james | Nov 6 2024 23:23 utc | 136
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Not impressed. Sachs is trying to salvage something for the US/Jews/Zionists via a buffed up 2-state solution and Abraham Accords-type harmony in the ME. “What’s good for the Jews is good for the US.” No mention that I noticed of the Israel Lobby.
Has he heard the vastly different analysis offered by Alistair Crooke on Judge Nap’s show the day before? Namely, that Iran’s goal is to totally decolonize the ME for good. Sachs is for “liberal colonization.”
BTW, Mr. Sachs, Nord Stream is in the Baltic, not the North Sea.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 7 2024 2:23 utc | 181

Posted by: jinn | Nov 6 2024 21:48 utc | 106
The lady doth protest too much …
Note the rhetorical flourishes asserting that “the fact is …”

The simple fact is all the evidence supports the claim that 18 million more voted in 2020 than 2016. There is also something like 60 million additional citizens that are eligible to vote but did not vote.

How does low voter turnout prove that “votes” were not faked/simulated etc.?
Most states do not ask for ID to vote, which is required e.g. to enter a federal building, to travel on AMTRAK, to collect Social Security (BTW this also undercuts the oft-heard claims that requiring ID disenfranchises blacks), etc.

The fact is the number that voted in 2020 could have been a whole lot higher if more people cared enough to vote.
The voters in the election are not whats phony. Its the candidates and the parties that promote them that are rigged.

Many states mailed absentee ballots to all “registered voters” (including those long deceased), in violation of those states’ own laws which typically provide that absentee ballots are to be sent ONLY upon the voter’s written request. The concern, of course, is that unsolicited mail-in ballots will end up in the wrong (but well-organized) hands.
Also, as everyone knows but few are prepared to say publicly, the entire voting system is, of course, de facto controlled by the SEIU (government staff union).

Posted by: Pacific Observer | Nov 7 2024 2:24 utc | 182

Q: How could they steal it in 2020, and not 2024.?
A: I have an intelligent dog. A trick can be played on him once. Twice, maybe. Then you have to find a completely new trick.
Is the RNC at least as smart as my dog? 2024 says yes.
2020 was an extremely well planned op.
The DNC was united _ from the most insignificant college intern all the way through to the very, very very top .01% party elite. *Everyone* wanted to do “whatever is necessary” to defeat Trump.
2020 the RNC was not united behind Trump. Some were happy to align and affiliate with the Git Trump movement. Corporate and social media both, we’re fully controlled.
The Git Trump team won.
And then what?
Biden’s foibles and frailties were exposed by the international Klieg light of scrutiny.
Around the time of the Debate Debacle, Biden misspoke calling Zelensky Putin…
The camera zoomed to Blinken and Austin, who’d trained themselves to sit stonefaced, expressionless, at any Biden blunder. But slowly Jake Sullivan put his hand to cover his mouth. And I knew in that instant Biden was gone.
In dethroning Biden the DNC snookered itself.
DEI (and the campaign millions locked-in for Harris) meant they had to back a female person-of-color. Harris was an abominable option. She’d been selected as VP precisely to circumvent any midterm coup against Biden.
The late 2024 DNC was no longer the unified “on a mission” Terminator out to defeat Orange Hitler.
It was a House Divided. Biden camp (angry and delivering cheap, passive aggressive snipes); the Clinton Camp; the Obama Camp; the Kagan-Nuland-NAFO-Fuk-the-EU-to-the-last-Ukrainian Camp.
As Team DNC they all nominally “supported Harris”. But not really. HRC didn’t really want Harris as First Female President of the United States of America. Jill Biden hated her. Obama wasn’t fully on board.
Some wanted a 2020 Steal replay… (we got away with it before), .. but truly smart guys know to not get greedy. You do one well planned sting, quickly Close Out and move on.
2024.Trump had purged most of the RINOS. The RNC was his. The RNC convention seems a millennium ago, but the unity was palpable. Remember? He’d survived an assassination attempt a day before. He was now their messiah. Their Kennedy, their Obama..
2024, and it was the RNC united on a mission, a mission of Righteousness, and the DNC was divided, bickering and blundering.
2024, from lowly county repubs, to the multi million Repub machine, everyone was aware of the 2020 Steal, and had safeguards in place …. From the county level, right up to the global intel level. Millions and millions and millions of eyes.
… ((The 2024 DNC is the guy who goes to next town over to rob the bank, but aborts when he sees his neighbour standing in line…)).
2024, Musk now owed twitter. He could monitor comms globally. Millions, Watching. Watching. Exposure not just a risk, but a certainty.
A 2024 Steal just wasn’t the same option as the 2020 operation.
2024, after 4years of Biden Harris, there was also buyer’s remorse from millions.
Trump was no longer the comic book villain the controlled media portrayed.
He’d been proved correct on the Hunter Biden Ukraine corruption. He’d been proved correct on the border issue. Many think he’d been right on the economy and foreign policy.
In hindsight, Them that Owns the Game may now rue the 2020 Steal. … they already had Trump on the ropes by 2019. They could have left him run and win, and just continued to neuter and defy him. A sequential second Trump term would have been nowhere as effective as his now rejuvenated term.
He’s had years to respawn. He’s certainly stronger. Will he be smarter and better advised this time? [???]
Yes, he’s a lame duck. But he has 4 years and (maybe) he’ll be “unburdened” by what has been….
Let the next Act begin. (Is it Act Three, or Act 4?)
>…BTW. (Disclaimer). I loathe the sound of Trump’s voice, I just can’t listen to him for even as long as 30secs.
I’m a disenfranchised alien, and I am glad I was not eligible to vote for either of these POS.
Maybe a disenfranchised observer from a distant shore, maybe sees things someone embroiled in the imbroglio does not?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 7 2024 2:30 utc | 183

Don Firineach | Nov 6 2024 22:27 utc | 122
Thanks for sharing that; excellent talk, and right on the money.

Posted by: robjira | Nov 7 2024 2:40 utc | 184

Debisdead:
“…Most Palestinians who fled Palestine ended up in Lebanon where the zionists slaughtered them repeatedly, Syria or Egypt.
Those that didn’t get overseas ended up in Gaza. Like the Gazans more than 90% those who fled Palestine ended up in refugee camps where they still currently live as stateless humans without any chance of a viable future….
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No, were violently driven out of their homes, villages, and Palestine. There were many massacres, many rapes, much summary execution and torture of males. It’s called the Nakba. Many ended up in refugee camps in Jordan because of scurrilous deals the Zionists made with the Jordanian king.
Yes, Sachs aims to find wiggly ways to keep this “liberal colonial system” in place but give it some other name. Just give the Palestinians a pissant state and all will be forgiven.
The Iranians aim to eliminate the colonials for once and for all, per Crooke.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 7 2024 2:43 utc | 185

Posted by: Jane | Nov 7 2024 2:08 utc | 177

Now, people who seek to prevent election fraud … have the old “rareness” conclusion … thrown in their faces, along with accusations that they are racist and are trying to make it harder for minorities to vote.

The idea that asking voters for ID (as universally required e.g. in Ghana and Nepal) somehow disenfranchises “minorities” (implicitly meaning blacks) was always a red herring put out by Democratic front groups and reinforced by the MSM to the point of becoming “conventional wisdom” (or more precisely, conventional stupidity).
ID for voting purposes (in the form of a non-driving “drivers’ license”) is available free of charge, precisely to avoid charges that the poor are being disenfranchised.
Moreover, “minorities” make disproportionately more use of social entitlements, all of which require ID.

Posted by: Pacific Observer | Nov 7 2024 2:48 utc | 186

The 2020 election was stolen.
I am a witness.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 7 2024 1:05 utc | 158
We were all witnesses. My daughter and son, recently of voting age, who have not watched multiple dozens of elections over the years, now old enough to pay attention and make decisions, knew something was wrong with the 2020 election. Every thinking person knew that was an election like no other – our first “Third World Election Experience,” if you will. Delays only in the “swing states.” More people voting for Biden than had ever voted for any candidate, ever! How much more obvious do you need? B’s intro graphic captures the absurdity in as few words as possible.
People who pretended it was real were either partisan, or just agreeing to get along, because the reality that we were descending into Third World status, with all its deep state arbitrary and abusive powers, seemed imminent.
I underestimated the power of modern American Democracy, however. This election was “too big to rig” and they didn’t even try. That alone gives me hope.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Nov 7 2024 3:00 utc | 187

Public service announcement (for non-Americans and those seemingly not familiar with their system)
Every president can only serve 8 years.
Trump has had 1 term of 4 years.
He is elected to his second term 2024- 2028.
The End.
Posters implying he can seek election beyond 2028 are incorrect.
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IMVHO Trump’s ego means he cannot step aside before his term expires.
Even demented, old, fecal incontinent Biden had to have the Ring forcefully prised from his arthritic, grifting, groping, gnarled fingers.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 7 2024 3:01 utc | 188

Jane 177
Fraud is when one or other party cheats. This is not how democracy works. Democracy is a system in which the ruling elites , who control all the other factions, andcwho control the democratic process can create a weak legislative body by adjusting the number of votes to nearly equal, or a strong legislative body by allocating strong majority to one side or another.
Them elites control both sides and the electoral process. If they want rapid change for their cynical purposes , they create a big majority for one side.
If they want no change, so that their evil policies stay in place, they create small majorities that cannot drive change.
The purpose of the Fraud is to benefit the Deep State, the rich. It isn’t Fraud, it’s the Rich Making the Rules , under the pretence of Democratic choice.
The trivia issues like abortion and LGBT are just smoke, to cover up the purposes the Deep State has set as its goals.
Sorry, I haven’t read the thread. But the last four years off Deep State, Rich People , rule has been about disempowering ordinary people and disempowering Socialism. The next four years will be the same, and the next, and the next.
The offshore of US manufacturing to China has made US people poor by losing their jobs, and Chinese people rich and US business people rich. War with China will make US people poorer, and US business people richer through inflated prices.
Nothing in a modern Democracy ever serves the interests of ordinary people , because the rich people can electronically print votes.
Why would they not look after themselves if ordinary people believe in the sanctity of a corrupt electoral system?
It’s like believing in Jesus AS, when Jesus himself AS only believes in God.
Trump’s instructions are in preparation, while Biden’s instructions are nothing more than supermarket receipts.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 7 2024 3:02 utc | 189

@ Debsisdead | Nov 7 2024 2:15 utc | 178
okay thanks… there is a good book i read called the gun and the olive branch… it tells the story and ongoing horrors quite thoroughly..
maybe you’ve read it.. https://goodreads.com/book/show/1599887.The_Gun_and_the_Olive_Branch
@ Jane | Nov 7 2024 2:23 utc | 179
okay.. thanks for sharing your take..

Posted by: james | Nov 7 2024 3:07 utc | 190

Activist Potato | Nov 7 2024 3:00 utc | 183
Agree. They didn’t try to steal at the ballot box.
First. They tried LAWfare.
Then they tried a bullet.
Doug Mills of 9/11 fame (Bush, in the classroom, with My Pet Goat) was – what a coincidence- at Butler Penn, with the correct aperture setting to snare the ultimate Money Shot.
They failed.
Will they try again?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 7 2024 3:10 utc | 191

here is the link to the judge napolitano alastair crooke video that @ Jane | Nov 7 2024 2:23 utc | 179 references..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI6dYNDtjQY

Posted by: james | Nov 7 2024 3:12 utc | 192

Headline today from ZH:

How America Became Unburdened By What Has Been
teaser image (Trump, AKA “orange jesus”)
America is now truly unburdened by what has been after decisively rejecting the past four years in full defiance of the Democrats…

America is a severely delusional society, from the bottom to the top of it’s ‘democratic’ hierarchy.
Americans appear to believe they can offload the evil they’ve collectively promulgated into the world with a mere election.
As if the old president was some kind of “sin goat”.
In the Bible, a scapegoat is one of a pair of kid goats that is released into the wilderness, taking with it all sins and impurities, while the other is sacrificed. The concept first appears in the Book of Leviticus, in which a goat is designated to be cast into the desert to carry away the sins of the community.
A Judeo-Christian civilization indeed …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 7 2024 3:13 utc | 193

Mercouris has raised an amazing point: Trump is our modern equivalent to Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Like FDR, Trump’s base is regular Americans.
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2024 21:45 utc | 104
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I don’t know what you mean by “regular Americans.” But in FDR’s time, that meant small farmers and working-class wage earners in the cities. FDR looked around and saw an election-proof voting block desperately needing help, so he stepped up to the plate and offered working-class America a NEW DEAL.
FDR was elected to three terms by the working class because he followed through with his NEW DEAL promise as best as he could despite those in Congress (both Democrat and Republican) who opposed FDR’s NEW DEAL legislation.
Starting around the time of the Carter Administration, but certainly by Bill Clinton’s administration, the DNC became envious of the Republican Party for receiving large cash donations from corporations and wealthy individual contributors in amounts that the working class, including Unions, could not match with their five- and ten-dollar donations.
The Democratic leadership made the decision to slowly and silently dump the working class and endear themselves to the corporate ruling elites, as they did before FDR. These Democrats declared themselves the “New Democrats.” They bragged that they were the new leaders of a new pragmatic political sector of the DP that could take on the Republican Party and win elections again.
Since then, life for the working class has declined in many ways. Wages began to stagnate, and minimum wages were frozen; medical insurance costs went through the roof, with little or no pushback from the DP; however, many working-class people failed to understand exactly what and why their circumstances and opportunities were changing, not for the better. Many working-class voters who had always voted for FDR’s Party broke with the Democrats and moved to the only other party allowed to run candidates in the U.S. National elections: the Republican Party.
We saw something similar happen on November 8th, 2016, when Hillary Clinton snubbed the working class in Rust Belt states. Now, again, on November 5th, 2024, for pretty much the same reason. Tamela Harris was getting advice from the worst source, Hillary Clinton. Together, they ignored the real needs of the working class, like how Obama fucked the working class with his warmed-over Heritage Foundation healthcare program instead of Universal Health care for all, a fair minimum wage, and an end to wars and genocide.
The point is that in our two-party and un-democratic system, the working people have no place to go except from one pro-ruling class party to the other: Where else is there to go? After about 40 years of this bull****, Donald Trump and his populist rhetoric start to look good to many “regular Americans,” but that won’t last long. DT has never done anything for the working class except screw them over every chance he got: TRUMP IS NO FDR, and Mercouris is full of it.
So, the 50/50 elections will continue until one political party starts legislating for the working class, as FDR did during the Depression. I get the feeling that both parties like things as they are.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 7 2024 3:18 utc | 194

“Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 6 2024 21:57 utc”
You’re wrong about the host, and you’re wrong about covid. Just stop, admit you’re wrong and find yourself a corner to sit in with the dunce cap. B will question anything that goes against his favored causes, the main stream media lies about that, but not covid. Think for yourself and stop being an NPC.

Posted by: Mr. House | Nov 7 2024 3:23 utc | 195

Will they try again?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 7 2024 3:10 utc | 187
Yes, they will. But it will not be kinetic.
Unless spooked by the election results, expect a constitutional challenge along the line of what Democratic Rep. Jamie Raskin suggested in a clip featured on Jimmy Dore, that “we (the Democrats) would not be certifying the election.” There is a long word salad on FactCheck.Org attempting to walk it back, or “contextualize” the comment, but all you have to do is watch the clip on Jimmy Dore to know it was a serious comment advocating overturning the will of the American people based on the “insurrection” clause in Section 3 of the 14th amendment.
The Democrats have not only lost touch with their voter base, they have lost touch with reality and think everyone watching them is just as detached as they are.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Nov 7 2024 3:31 utc | 196

The British Capitalist MSM are wibbling about Starmer and Trump being on the opposite sides of the Left Right spectrum. They are on exactly the same side, which wants Israel to penetrate West Asia as a stepping stone to asset-stripping their way through Asia to the Pacific. UK works its way from the Mediterranean, while US drills from the Pacific .
What will actually happen is that Israel will be destroyed and Japan, Israel and Germany who are under US control will slip their collars. Germany and Israel because the genocide never again motto has been trashed, and Japan because the nuclear never again motto has been trashed, both in Ukraine and now Iran.
Such blatant hypocrisy is easy to throw off. A good start to USUKIS prospects to achieve Empire2 Gloval Hegemony, destroy your only assets. They plan, and Allah plans, and Allah is the Perfect Planner.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 7 2024 3:37 utc | 197

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 7 2024 3:01 utc | 184

Public service announcement (for non-Americans and those seemingly not familiar with their system)
Every president can only serve 8 years.

Non-American here, but this is incorrect.
The 22nd Amendment to the US Constitution states:

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

If you read that carefully you will see that a VP who takes over as President and has served less than two years is still entitled to run for President twice. So such an individual could, in theory, be President for 10 years.
Or, to put it contemporary terms, if Trump steps down two years and one day into his term – say on 21 January 2026 – and Vance takes over as President, Vance would still be entitled to run in 2028 and 2032 and could serve as President up until 2035.
But, you are right. Trump can only be elected to the office of President twice – unless the 22nd Amendment is repealed like the 18th was – so this term is his last and he can only serve until 2028.

Posted by: kukulkan | Nov 7 2024 3:41 utc | 198

For very interesting insights into both US and ME politics and elites, IMO there is no one better than Professor Mohammad Marandi, professor of geopolitics at Tehran University. Very simpatico with encyclopedic knowledge of ME political history.
And IMO the best interviewer for eliciting great narrative analyses is Nima of Dialogue Works.
Here are Nima and Marandi on Trump, Biden, Pompeo (ugh), Hezbollah, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and of course, IRAN. Long, discursive, and detailed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpwTtM99D5w

Posted by: Jane | Nov 7 2024 3:45 utc | 199

Proof positive off the vote totals yesterday, that ten million fraudulent votes were counted in 2020.
The Biden/Obama/Zuckerberg/Gates/Holder/Soros/Rice alliance coup plot through fake ballots worked in 2020, but not this time.

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 7 2024 3:50 utc | 200