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October 4, 2024
White House To Meddle In Lebanese Policies – Provoking More Bombings

David Ignatius, the CIA's and administration's spokesperson at the Washington Post, is peddling one of these day's most stupid ideas:

The U.S. has an opportunity to help rebuild Lebanese sovereignty – (archived)
Israel’s decapitation of Hezbollah has created a security vacuum.

The Biden administration’s diplomacy has failed to restrain Israel and de-escalate the Middle East conflict over the past year. But the administration has a new opportunity for constructive engagement: helping the Lebanese Armed Forces fill the void left by a collapsing Hezbollah and reestablish the Lebanese government’s sovereignty.

To start a column with a lies shows the way it will go. The Biden administration has not 'failed to restrain' Israel but has urged it to peruse its attacks on Hizbullah:

Presidential adviser Amos Hochstein and Brett McGurk, the White House coordinator for the Middle East, told top Israeli officials in recent weeks that the U.S. agreed with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s broad strategy to shift Israel’s military focus to the north against Hezbollah in order to convince the group to engage in diplomatic talks to end the conflict, the officials told POLITICO.

The Lebanese Armed Forces, which Ignatius wants to promote, have a nominal strength of some 80,000 men. But, thanks to U.S. influence over it, they is only lightly armed, little trained and of no use against any serious enemy. The LAF's fighting value in quantity and quality is well below that of Hizbullah's cadres.

Ignatius is dreaming:

Israel’s decapitation of Hezbollah — culminating in the killing of Hasan Nasrallah last week — has created a security vacuum in Lebanon. The shellshocked lower ranks of Hezbollah undoubtedly hope to fill the void. But for the first time in a generation, there’s a real chance that the LAF takes control of the nation’s security and its borders, with proper assistance.

'A collapsing Hizbullah' is a wet dream of imperialist and Zionist but has nothing to do with reality. Just ask the Israeli forces which, in recent days, tried to infiltrate into southern Lebanon. The alleged 'security vacuum' hit them with all its might:

Israeli forces were struck with rockets on the outskirts of the Lebanese town of Odaisseh on Thursday afternoon, one of the towns where troops fell into a bloody ambush just a day earlier.

A Hezbollah guided-missile attack also hit a Merkava tank in the Natoa settlement not long before.

“When an Israeli enemy infantry force attempted to infiltrate towards the cemetery of the town of Yaroun, the Mujahideen of the Islamic Resistance detonated a Sejil explosive device at the advancing force at 12:00 noon on Thursday 10-3-2024, killing and wounding them,” Hezbollah said earlier, marking its 21st statement on 3 October.

Hezbollah announced shortly before that its fighters “detonated an explosive device at 12:00 noon on Thursday 10-3-2024 with a force from the Golani Brigade in the Tartira area in the town of Maroun al-Ras, which was trying to bypass the western side of the town.”

The members of the Golani Brigade force were killed or wounded, the Hezbollah statement added.

Over the last days the 'security vacuum' also managed to fire hundreds of missiles onto the Zionist colony:

Sirens sounded in Israel's Haifa, Carmel foot hills and the Hadera region, including – for the first time since the war began, in Caesarea, An affluent seaside community where Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu owns a private residence.

Hezbollah attacked northern Israel including the cities of Haifa and Acre repeatedly since the early morning hours. Rockets also landed in the Upper Galilee causing damage but no injuries.

The White House thinking, it seems, is not impeded by any reality:

The Biden administration sees a “massive opportunity” in Lebanon, a senior official told me this week. But to help Lebanon regain sovereignty, the Biden administration will have to move quickly and decisively while Hezbollah is still in disarray.

The Pentagon has been rehearsing for this role for several decades through its support program for the LAF. Less than four months ago, the Pentagon hosted the LAF’s commander, Gen. Joseph Aoun, in Washington and at Centcom headquarters in Florida.

“Biden administration officials want the LAF to prepare a force that could potentially deploy near the border to monitor a future buffer zone negotiated between Israel and Hezbollah,” Al-Monitor news organization reported at the time of Aoun’s visit in mid-June.

The LAF forces are already deployed near the border. They are not very friendly with Israeli forces which routinely kills them:

Two Lebanese army soldiers were killed in separate Israeli strikes on south Lebanon on Thursday, the military said as Hezbollah said it repelled Israeli troops trying to cross the border.

The army said in a statement that a soldier was killed in an Israeli strike on a military post in the Bint Jbeil area, adding that soldiers fired back at the source of the fire.

A military official told AFP that this was the first response to Israeli fire since last October because the post had been “directly” hit.

It was the second Lebanese soldier to be killed by Israeli strikes on Thursday.

The army had announced earlier in the day that a soldier “was killed and another was wounded as a result of an aggression by the Israeli enemy during an evacuation and rescue operation with the Lebanese Red Cross in Taybeh village.”

To support his dream Ignatius cites a long discredited Lebanese neo-conservative:

Michael Young, a veteran Lebanese journalist, explained the dynamics after Nasrallah’s death in a post Sunday for the Carnegie Endowment’s Diwan website. He juxtaposed Hezbollah’s “logic of resistance” with “the logic of the state” and said the latter “imposes itself on a country that has been carried into a catastrophe by an armed group that has disregarded the Lebanese state.”

Young wrote that in the view of many Lebanese, “the single national institution that retains credibility and widespread popular endorsement is the Lebanese army.”

Unlike Ignatius, Young himself sees no plausible way to put the Lebanese army on top of the state. The most influential politician in Lebanon is the current speaker of the parliament, Nabih Berri. His Amal party is allied with Hizbullah and depends on its votes. Without Berri's support, Young writes, any change in the distribution of power in Lebanon is inconceivable.

But Ignatius insists that the impossible is doable or at least worth a try:

[R]ebuilding the Lebanese state behind a strong army — supported by a population that is sick of Hezbollah’s violent fantasy of resistance — is an achievable goal. It will require disciplined American effort and political will. But it’s a worthy task for Joe Biden’s final months in office and for his successor.

So let's send the Marines to prop up the LAF and let's manipulated the country's policies through bribes from the U.S. embassy.

Some thirty years ago the U.S. attempted to do such stupid things. In consequence its embassy got blown up as were the Marine's barracks.

Why someone believes that it is smart to now follow a similar strategy, and to thereby likely provoke a similar outcome, is well beyond me.


Added: Ignatius' column is, apparently, not a fluke. Axios just posted this:

Scoop: U.S. wants to use Hezbollah's weakness to elect new Lebanese president

The stupidity – it hurts.

Comments

@ Kay | Oct 5 2024 3:19 utc | 293
Regarding the internal politics of Lebanon, always very fractious and divided, the US is far from being able to get its way there. This is very frustrating to it because Lebanon is so tiny, only 4,000 square miles=10,000 square km. Just like the ultratininess of Gaza, how can it be that it cannot be dominated?
But, like Gaza, Lebanon is also densely populated. The Shi`is are pretty entirely behind Hizbullah, as they think Israel is out to get them and especially to steal part of their territory, so they do not feel like giving in. Because of all the warfare for decades, the weak of heart among them have already left long ago.
While Lebanon was made by the French for the Christians, and especially the Maronites, that group has definitely changed its tune. In the 1980s, they still thought that by using force and with Israeli/US support, they could restore the dominant position they had had before 1975, but fifteen years of civil war disabused them of that idea. During the war of 1975-1990, the minority of Maronites living in the northern valley around Zaghurta and Bsharri deserted the dominant Kata’ib=Phalangist party of the Jumayyils, joined forces with the Syrians, and now are supporters of Hizbullah. The total defeat of the Maronite nationalists in 1990 meant the end of the dream of al-Kata’ib, further sealed by the al-Ta’if agreement of 1989, which weakened Maronite domination while leaving them with the presidency. Subsequently, the Maronite war hero Michel Aoun, who finally became the last president 2016-2022 relentlessly supported Hizbullah, despite the dissent from the Kata’ib, led by Samir Ja`ja`. Today, maybe fewer than half the Maronites support Hizbullah that way, but they certainly do not trust the US and they doubt that they would get better treatment from Israel if Hizbullah wasn’t there. Also, there are Maronite towns in the extreme south that they fear Israel has plans to annex and depopulate, so they are not favorable to Israel either, and they blame it for leaving them in the lurch in 1982-1985. They have much lower expectations after the defeat of their national project, and demographically they have become weaker over time.
Meanwhile, the ever-switching Druzes have switched their support to Hizbullah again. And the Sunnis, after being used as the Trojan Horse for US domination during the premiership of Rafiq al-Hariri 2000-2004, have become much less interested in being used that way, such that the current premier and nominal ruler in the absence of a president, Najib al-Miqati (in office since 2021), has been unwilling to oppose Hizbullah at all. Finally, the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon obviously will not support either the US or Israel. The US has tried every legal trick in the book to get Hizbullah, but it has all failed utterly, and while the Lebanese still have undoubtedly a wide spectrum of views, I would imagine the average Lebanese hates the US regime passionately.

Posted by: Cabe | Oct 5 2024 4:25 utc | 301

Trubind1 @ 204
“… They need to choose someone as a replacement quickly. He needs to be high profile, robust, strong and humble. He needs to appear on Televised speeches every couple of days, pounding the message and infiltrating the political movements, exposing various plots …”
A good thing it is indeed that Hezbollah doesn’t come to you for advice on recruitment or public relations.
If there’s one thing Hezbollah doesn’t need, it’s being highly visible to its enemies.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 5 2024 4:29 utc | 302

Turk 152 @ 301:
There are two possibilities and both may have already been discussed on this and previous forums.
One possibility is that the Israelis are trying to force the US to supply ground troops and do their dirty work, much as the Zelensky dictatorship in Ukraine is trying to draw NATO into fighting Russia – and with both rogue nations still demanding billions in money, equipment and aid.
The second possibility is that the US is using Israel as its proxy to target Lebanon, Iran and other nations and probe them for weaknesses. Get Israel to do whatever underhand work the US can’t or won’t do. This would actually suit the Christian Zionists in the US who would see nothing wrong with fighting Iran and the Arab nations down to the last Israeli or to the last Jew.
The reality may have elements of both possibilities and it would be hard to determine whether the dog is wagging its tail or the tail is wagging the dog. Perhaps at any one time, one is occurring and at other times the other is happening.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 5 2024 4:40 utc | 303

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 4 2024 21:34 utc | 169
Did Japanese colonialism occur before or after that Nation’s colonial domination by Western (whose) powers?

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 4:41 utc | 304

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 4 2024 21:50 utc | 182
The value of the recognising the source of established wealth is not to harbour guilt or recrimination but to nurture humility and extend constructive compassion toward those whose dispossession provided it and who still suffer intergenerational distress because of that process.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 4:50 utc | 305

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 4 2024 22:04 utc | 188
One of the apparent failings of Marxist adherents is an entrapment within mechanistic thinking. That perspective is to be expected when its structural dimension is entirely a critique of the entirely mechanical and reductive worldview of Capitalism.
What is not necessary is an inability to perceive or to give any respect to understandings that move beyond than miserably humanistic viewpoint.
An egalitarian ignorance is perhaps better than an exploitative one, but it nonetheless it remains fundamentally rooted in ignorance.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 4:59 utc | 306

Did Japanese colonialism occur before or after that Nation’s colonial domination by Western (whose) powers?
Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 4:41 utc | 305
Before.
Japan had spent centuries terrorising the Korean peninsula before Admiral Perry showed up with his gunboats.
Then again, perhaps if the West had allowed the Japanese to maintain their self imposed isolation (Sakoku) that colonial era may have never recurred and we might never have seen the Rape of Nanjing.

The Japanese invasions of Korea, commonly known as the Imjin War, involved two separate yet linked invasions: an initial invasion in 1592 (Korean: 임진왜란; Hanja: 壬辰倭亂), a brief truce in 1596, and a second invasion in 1597 (정유재란; 丁酉再亂). The conflict ended in 1598 with the withdrawal of Japanese forces[1][20] from the Korean Peninsula after a military stalemate[21] in Korea’s southern provinces.[22]
The invasions were launched by Toyotomi Hideyoshi with the intent of conquering the Korean Peninsula and China proper, which were ruled by the Joseon and Ming dynasties, respectively. Japan quickly succeeded in occupying large portions of the Korean Peninsula, but the contribution of reinforcements by the Ming,[23][24][25] as well as the disruption of Japanese supply fleets along the western and southern coasts by the Joseon Navy,[26][27][28][29][30] forced the Japanese forces to withdraw from Pyongyang and the northern provinces. Afterwards, with righteous armies (Joseon civilian militias)[31] conducting guerrilla warfare against the occupying Japanese forces and supply difficulties hampering both sides, neither force was able to mount a successful offensive or gain any additional territory, resulting in a military stalemate. The first phase of the invasion ended in 1596, and was followed afterwards by ultimately unsuccessful peace negotiations between Japan and the Ming.
In 1597, Japan renewed its offensive by invading Korea a second time.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 5:06 utc | 307

One of the apparent failings of Marxist adherents is an entrapment within mechanistic thinking. That perspective is to be expected when its structural dimension is entirely a critique of the entirely mechanical and reductive worldview of Capitalism.
What is not necessary is an inability to perceive or to give any respect to understandings that move beyond than miserably humanistic viewpoint.
An egalitarian ignorance is perhaps better than an exploitative one, but it nonetheless it remains fundamentally rooted in ignorance.
Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 4:59 utc | 307
More word diarrhea. There’s one way Marxists use the term “mechanistic” in a derogatory way. Care to inform me which?

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 5:09 utc | 308

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 5 2024 4:40 utc | 304
Option 1 becomes less plausible with each new front as Israel would already be defeated. Netanyahu would need be a desperate man doubling down on betting Israel’s future as Arch pointed out. That is the going assumption of most. Option 2 has barely been mentioned after a year of conflict and only prompted by Hudson’s interview.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 5 2024 5:12 utc | 309

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 5 2024 5:12 utc | 310
Optio 2 has barely been mentioned after a year of conflict and only prompted by Hudson’s interview.

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 5:26 utc | 310

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Posted by: Hankster | Oct 5 2024 5:27 utc | 311

Stop talking about Marxism.
Those who dismiss it, understand absolutely nothing about it. Your analysis is at the level of Time magazine.
As for the Marxists: just provide a good analysis of current events; that’s what we’re supposed to be good at. You’re not going to convert anyone.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 5 2024 5:39 utc | 312

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 2:33 utc | 275
Love Donbass isn’t saying the Resistance is not toward Imperialism. He is saying that it doesn’t stem from a Marxist root.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 5:39 utc | 313

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 5:06 utc | 308
Would you equate that 15th Century conquest in any essential way with the corporate-based mercantile and financial Imperialism that emanated from Europe from about that same time and has since overtaken the planet?
The point being the validity of Tichy’s refutation of ‘White Empire’ as the unique substrate of modern globe malaise.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 5:55 utc | 314

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 5:09 utc | 309
I’m not referring to how Marxists might use the word. I employ it to describe what Marxists seem to generally be. This is reductionist limitation of acceptable meaning(s) is illustrated by your haughty dismissal of Love Donbass’ description of beyond the material banality of Imperialist/revolutionary duality.
That’s not to dismiss the importance of that duality just the notion that it is the Alpha and the Omega of human existence.
In a nutshell, you need to get out more away from that essentially synthetic construct.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 6:02 utc | 315

“…,,BREAKING: A Palestinian civilian raped by female Israeli guards has given direct testimony that children are also being mass raped in their dungeons. He says genital mutilation and torture is routine, and Israeli doctors also join in on the torture. Zero coverage in Western media….”
https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1822600290102587644

Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2024 6:03 utc | 316

Posted by: JAB | Oct 5 2024 5:39 utc | 313
I’m not dismissing Marxism. I’m simply supporting the idea that it’s a relatively narrow construct designed to critically analyse and functionally contend another especially narrow and extremely dangerous construct.
Alas too many of its acolytes take it as being much more than that and evangelise it accordingly.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 6:07 utc | 317

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BBC Radio 5 just did an interview with me. The presenter was very biased. I asked if this was in response to pressure from my comments in a previous interview? He replied that 3 influential members of the Jewish community complained. Let’s see if they publish the entire interview
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On Tuesday night, Iran launched a massive ballistic missile strike on Israel, targeting military and intelligence assets across the Zionist state.
Iranian foreign minister Abbas Araghchi said Wednesday that in carrying out the attack, “Iran exercised its right to self-defense under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter.” Israel is vowing to hit back.
Ali Abunimah takes a close look at how the Iranian operation unfolded. Why did Tehran act now? What did its strike achieve? Did the US and Israel really manage to thwart it in any significant way? How might Tel Aviv respond, and what will Iran do if it does?…….

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2024 6:11 utc | 318

Love Donbass isn’t saying the Resistance is not toward Imperialism. He is saying that it doesn’t stem from a Marxist root.
Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 5:39 utc | 314
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Yes. That was evident I thought…

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 6:17 utc | 319

I’m simply supporting the idea that it’s a relatively narrow construct designed to critically analyse and functionally contend another especially narrow and extremely dangerous construct.
Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 6:07 utc | 318
Wow. Have you ever read Marx? What about Feuerbach and Hegel? Are you aware that “mechanistic” is used as a curse word by Marxists? https://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1961/man/ch02.htm

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 6:24 utc | 320

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 4:13 utc | 300
Muslim struggle isn’t “revolutionary” unless directed against the bourgeoisie as it is the bourgeoisie that rules us. Some barbarians stoning little girls for being raped in Somalia, while despicable, isn’t material to that.
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Well, you’ll just have to wait for Muslims to evolve to that stage… meanwhile a lot of them do appear to care about the little girls at least… small mercies, I’m sure.
I think JAB is right — some of us aren’t ready for the Marxist truth and we just want good applied analyses. For that I’d overlook personal obnoxiousness…

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 6:25 utc | 321

David Ignatius is a trusted CIA paid spokesman fronting as a reporter…..no one believes one word he writes.
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 4 2024 18:13 utc | 66
Even so, one can play “Kremlinology”, in this case, trying to reconstructs wishes and plans of CIA based on what they present to public through Ignatius.
Apparently, the narrative bit related to the support of Israel attacking Lebanon is that expanding the conflict (not an escalation, mind you, oh no no!) can eventually change the Middle East for better for years to come. That may well be the case (as their wish), but what is “better” in their thinking?
Layer A is fostering the governments that are popular, democratic, “loving USA” and amicably co-existing Israel, however beastly the latter behaves (mostly toward Palestinians, but as we all know, quite a bit toward other Arabs). Is there ANYONE who pretends to believe in it? Additionally, wouldn’t it endanger the status of Israel as THE ONLY DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST? So Layer B drops “democratic”, instead rely on a bribable military-based dictatorship, as it actually exists in Egypt. But in Lebanon case, the military should be stronger than Hezbollah, and “friends of Israel” block any effort to make the official military stronger — they are Arabs, after all so they cannot be trusted.
After eliminating the impossible, what pleasing changes would constitute durable change for the better? But of course, layer C, utter chaos like in Libya or Somalia! But it would be too crass (and stupid) to advocate this overly, so we have Ignatius advocating layer B to mask layer C.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 5 2024 6:28 utc | 322

I think JAB is right — some of us aren’t ready for the Marxist truth and we just want good applied analyses. For that I’d overlook personal obnoxiousness…
Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 6:25 utc | 322
Very well, I’ll modify my statement. Functionally, Muslim struggle can benefit revolutionary struggle in so far as it is directed against global capital, even if in defense of inner capital. Actually it’s much the same with Russia. Putin may be the representative of the Russian national bourgeoisie but Russia’s struggle is still just.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 6:37 utc | 323

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 4:13 utc | 300
Muslim struggle isn’t “revolutionary” unless directed against the bourgeoisie as it is the bourgeoisie that rules us. Some barbarians stoning little girls for being raped in Somalia, while despicable, isn’t material to that.
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Well, you’ll just have to wait for Muslims to evolve to that stage… I think JAB is right — some of us aren’t ready for the Marxist truth and we just want good applied analyses. For that I’d overlook personal obnoxiousness…
Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 6:25 utc | 322

The Guangxi Massacre (simplified Chinese: 广西大屠杀; traditional Chinese: 廣西大屠殺; pinyin: Guǎngxī dàtúshā) comprised a series of lynchings and massacres in the Chinese province of Guangxi between 1967 and 1968, during the Cultural Revolution (1966–1976).[2][1][3][4][5][6] The official record shows an estimated death toll between 100,000 and 150,000.[1][6] Methods of murder included beheading, beating, live burial, stoning, drowning, boiling, and disembowelling.[1][7]

I’m sure few would disagree this particular Marxist enterprise was “revolutionary”.
Barbarism is alive and well in any revolution, Marxist or otherwise.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 6:38 utc | 324

Would you equate that 15th Century conquest in any essential way with the corporate-based mercantile and financial Imperialism that emanated from Europe from about that same time and has since overtaken the planet?
Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 5:55 utc | 315
My point was merely on a technicality. If you’re speaking about “colonialism” in the technical sense – there you have it.
Of course White Colonialism is a level of systematised, industrialised and moralised evil beyond anything practiced in any non-White empire, except perhaps the Mongols.
And anyone trying to convince people that:
a) Racism doesn’t exist and never existed
b) Systematised, State Enforced White Racism doesn’t exist
c) White Colonialism never existed, and does not now exist
d) White Colonialism was no more evil than any other colonialism in the last 500 years
… is a complete loon.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 6:44 utc | 325

Barbarism is alive and well in any revolution, Marxist or otherwise.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 6:38 utc | 325

Although inevitable, there is no such thing as a happy purge.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 5 2024 6:46 utc | 326

Although inevitable, there is no such thing as a happy purge.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 5 2024 6:46 utc | 327
Quite right. It’s not the exclusive preserve of “Muslim Barbarian’ as our bigoted commentator suggested earlier.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 6:46 utc | 327

This block is developing into a platform for philosophers, what if?
Which in turn has very little to do with opinion, let alone information..
And you “smart people” on the subject of Marxism… you are so smart in theory, how about 40 years of socialism, if you have that experience, keep philosophizing.

Posted by: ossi | Oct 5 2024 6:48 utc | 328

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 5 2024 5:12 utc | 310
Option 3 – to steal a line from George Galloway: the US and Israel are “two cheeks of the same backside”. Don’t be fooled by the obviously concocted good cop, bad cop routine.
Whereas they may diverge on timing and means occasionally, they are solid on the outcome – genocide and full spectrum dominance.
Remember, Zionism was originally a British imperial project that the “Jewish” Zionists took over as their own. Both Israel and the US governments are funded, or “bought” by Zionist billionaires in the West, particularly the US, France and UK, or through their unwitting taxpayers.
This is combined effort all the way despite the occasional tiffs among thugs.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 5 2024 6:53 utc | 329

IDF Operation in Lebanon looks more and more like 404 operation in Kursk : a Tik-Tok raid for PR resulting in a bunch of 200.

Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Oct 5 2024 6:56 utc | 330

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 6:37 utc | 324
What about the PFLP?
Here’s a few songs by Muslimgauze.
Hamas Arc (1993) [FULL ALBUM]

Posted by: lex talionis | Oct 5 2024 7:12 utc | 331

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 5 2024 6:53 utc | 330
Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 5 2024 5:12 utc | 310
Option 3 – to steal a line from George Galloway: the US and Israel are “two cheeks of the same backside”. Don’t be fooled by the obviously concocted good cop, bad cop routine.
Pretty much what Jen was saying, see:
The reality may have elements of both possibilities and it would be hard to determine whether the dog is wagging its tail or the tail is wagging the dog. Perhaps at any one time, one is occurring and at other times the other is happening.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 5 2024 4:40 utc | 304
Or both are occurring at once…

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 7:20 utc | 332

This is combined effort all the way despite the occasional tiffs among thugs.
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 5 2024 6:53 utc | 330
The problem there is that there is no US interest for killing everyone in the Middle East. They want to go off and fight China, and Israel prevents them.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 5 2024 7:35 utc | 333

Iran, apparently, has joined the club of countries with their own laser air defense systems from UAVs.
The installation was captured in Tehran, during the Friday prayer ceremony with the participation of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
machine translated
images in link
https://t.me/milinfolive/132116

Posted by: too scents | Oct 5 2024 7:37 utc | 334

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 5 2024 7:35 utc | 334
The problem there is that there is no US interest for killing everyone in the Middle East. They want to go off and fight China, and Israel prevents them.
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The problem with this is that you’re positing that the ‘US interest’ is monolithic, and there’s definitely a ‘get Russia’ faction… and perhaps insofar Russia-China are being pushed together, and both have interests in the ME, then US hegemony over the ME is very much in the US interest, even if monolithic. Now the US may well be deluded and living in the past to think it can be achieved, but that doesn’t preclude them from trying…

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 7:54 utc | 335

@Arch Bungle | Oct 4 2024 22:06 utc | 193
What an extraordinary well written and truthful summary, thank you! This should be distributed far and wide.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 5 2024 7:59 utc | 336

Just because people died or there were terrors during a revolution in the past is no guarantee of it in the future. Also the bourgeois capitalist revolutions all employed equal terrors, enclosures and enslavement.
None of the critiques of Marxism in this thread have done anything to disprove historical materialism whatsoever, you can’t just smear it as “mechanistic” like some common idiot and leave it at that.

Posted by: Lachlan | Oct 5 2024 8:00 utc | 337

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 5 2024 7:59 utc | 337
Referring to: @Arch Bungle | Oct 4 2024 22:06 utc | 193
What an extraordinary well written and truthful summary, thank you! This should be distributed far and wide.
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Seconded. I’ve saved that to distribute to interested people and for future reference.
Now, Arch, if only you could put on your historical materialist glasses and improve it a bit…

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 8:05 utc | 338

Arch Bungle @ 193
Well written and well concluded. Without the US Zionism is burnt toast. The region will heal nicely over time without them. The longer the US feeds munitions and aircraft in that beast the longer people will suffer.
I also love Marxists take on current events but the discussion of their precepts and theory is tiring. Take it to the open thread.

Posted by: circumspect | Oct 5 2024 8:07 utc | 339

@Jane | Oct 5 2024 0:11 utc | 227
On Palmyra:

It is one of the most important archaeological sites in the whole Levant.
A young Jordanian whom I met many years ago gave me a hardcover book just about Palmyra.

Palmyra is very important indeed. However, the relative importance of places such as Palmyra reflects the current archeological interpretations. There are countless other extremely important and incredibly ancient sites in the Levant, including Baalbek in Lebanon and Petra in Jordan just to name a couple.
But I agree it makes me sick when I hear Palmyra is subject to modern warfare.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 5 2024 8:08 utc | 340

OMG. A must read/watch. It’s all part of the 2009 Brookings strategy. Brian Berletic of New Atlas has got the receipts.
https://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2024/07/2009-us-policy-paper-planned-current.html
a preview of the article:
“Leave it to Bibi” “The Brookings Institution makes several points clear. First, Iran is not interested in war with either the United States or Israel. Second, the US must take great effort to convince the world that Iran, not Washington, provoked a US-desired war. And third, even if repeatedly provoked, there is a high likelihood Iran would not retaliate and therefore deny the US and/or Israel a pretext for wider war.
The report notes:
…it would be far more preferable if the United States could cite an Iranian provocation as justification for the airstrikes before launching them. Clearly, the more outrageous, the more deadly, and the more unprovoked the Iranian action, the better off the United States would be. Of course, it would be very difficult for the United States to goad Iran into such a provocation without the rest of the world recognizing this game, which would then undermine it.
It continues:
(One method that would have some possibility of success would be to ratchet up covert regime change efforts in the hope that Tehran would retaliate overtly, or even semi-overtly, which could then be portrayed as an unprovoked act of Iranian aggression.)
The paper is admitting the US seeks war with Iran, but wants to convince the world it is Iran itself provoking it.
The paper lays out the framework for a disingenuous diplomatic tract Washington could take with Tehran to enhance the illusion that Iran will be to blame for any war between it and the US (or Israel):
In a similar vein, any military operation against Iran will likely be very unpopular around the world and require the proper international context—both to ensure the logistical support the operation would require and to minimize the blowback from it. The best way to minimize international opprobrium and maximize support (however, grudging or covert) is to strike only when there is a widespread conviction that the Iranians were given but then rejected a superb offer—one so good that only a regime determined to acquire nuclear weapons and acquire them for the wrong reasons would turn it down. Under those circumstances, the United States (or Israel) could portray its operations as taken in sorrow, not anger, and at least some in the international community would conclude that the Iranians “brought it on themselves” by refusing a very good deal.
Israel plays a key role in this strategy. While Washington seeks to appear to be distancing itself from Israeli brutality amid its operations in Gaza as well as its recent strike on Iran’s embassy in Damascus, such provocations are central to Washington’s own desire to pull Iran into a war it admits Tehran does not want to fight.”

Posted by: Willow | Oct 5 2024 8:08 utc | 341

I don’t think the state media and talking heads of the old Soviet Union, North Korea, or even Iraq during the Gulf war, produced a stream of narrative so totally mendacious as the abject western media are currently achieving.
The west is setting a new benchmark for all time in state controlled media misinformation, gas-lighting and double-speak.
The only truth to be found is used as a flavouring for lies.
Yes we all saw those videos of multiple Iranian missiles raining down on Israel and how “most of them were shot down” LOL!!

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Oct 5 2024 8:10 utc | 342

Posted by: Lachlan | Oct 5 2024 8:00 utc | 338
None of the critiques of Marxism in this thread have done anything to disprove historical materialism whatsoever, you can’t just smear it as “mechanistic” like some common idiot and leave it at that.
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Wow I think JAB was wise to say just let it go in this space… next, LoveDonbass will insist you just can smear Islam etc etc… actually, he won’t, he knows it’s fruitless.
Let it go, it’s wasted on us less capable souls.

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 8:10 utc | 343

Are you aware that “mechanistic” is used as a curse word by Marxists? https://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1961/man/ch02.htm
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 6:24 utc | 321
I’m not corralled by how Marxists might use it. I’m applying its meaning to describe a limitation of Marxism. Being secular by principle makes it mechanistic by nature.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 8:23 utc | 344

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 6:37 utc | 324
Everything you say is directly positioned in context/counterpoint to Capitalism.
In the modern world that is immensely important. However it is not everything. That is the part that you seem to struggle to recognise

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 8:27 utc | 345

reante 98
“If every ‘nation’ is completely dependent on its privatized local branch of central banking by having no independent national treasury of its own, then they are no longer nation states. That’s structuralism.”
Well nations that matter ARE withdrawing from globalised finance. Is Russia still putting money in the Euro exchenge after 300 billion was stolen from there? I suspect not. Russia, China, Iran etc are discarding dollar assets as fast as physically possible and buying gold instead. And NOT sending it to London, believe it or not.
The west’s enfatuation with Israel is connected with the financialisation of its economy. Several decades of contempt for the means of production and concentration of power in a wealthy executive elite who see productive industry in the same way an old imperial Russian landowner would see villages and fields full of his serfs.
There’s a problem with that Israel-financialised model of the global (actually just retronazi western) economy, with a dandified elite cut off from the realities of production. China is destroying it. Remorselessly and irreversibly. Thing is, the Chinese industries that are dominating one field after another – EVs, renewable energy, power technology, even supercondutors, dont run on the Jewish model. They make enough money to cover costs and ongoing tehnology investment, WITHOUT creaming off a continual stream of profit to finance the dandified elite.
In the zionazi west the dendified elite use the stream of profits structurally flowing from its Jewified economy to (a) make them an independently wealthy dandified elite class and (b) to give them a political war chest to simply purchase political power. In the USA this process is complete. COngress and Senate are an empty pantomine all ALL power is with lobby and donor money.
But back in the real production economy, the zionazi Jew economy of profits-for-dandified-political-power is getting DESTROYED by China. Look at what’s happening to the auto industry. How are GM’s sales in China these days? Curious? How about VW or Nissan or Ford, etc? How are US-made solar panels doing internationally?
In China industry is not parasitised to create unelected political power as in the zionazi Jew-west. It’s just business and making things – if that is possible to imagine. And it’s taking over the world. The world simply can’t afford to parasitic profit for political power economic model of the Jew west, any more. That’s all being undermined day by day, hour by hour, and we will see its total catastrophic collapse in our lifetimes.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Oct 5 2024 8:29 utc | 346

347
I meant semiconductors, not superconductors
(but maybe those as well?)

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Oct 5 2024 8:31 utc | 347

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 6:44 utc | 326
I agree with all of that. My original question was aimed at Tichy to try to resolve some better resolution upon his assertive stance that ‘White Empire’ as a stand alone entity is an imaginary nonsense that he actually finds personally offensive.
A significant problem with that view, amongst many, is that a failure to accurately discern the character of a malaise greatly impedes its rectification.
Quite evidently a distinctly unique and critical attribute of this ‘white’ cancer is its operation via corporate structures that have the legal rights of a real person and are able consume actual people, indeed entire nations, within and outside of their metabolic function.
This malignantly evolved capacity well explains the dilemma now conflicting barflies regarding the hierarchy of authority between big and little Satan. In fact both are zombie instruments of a transnational power structure embedded within an overarching corporate ecology.
The heritage and majority function of this deviant ecology is as white as fuck.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 8:45 utc | 348

@Arch Bungle | Oct 4 2024 22:06 utc | 193
And add my thanks to the list for this.
A remarkably expansive, useful and uplifting summary

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 8:49 utc | 349

When reading a post here, I make a super fast scan for the word ‘Marx’. If found, the post is immediately skipped.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 5 2024 8:51 utc | 350

Any updates on the whereabouts of Defense Minister Gallant?

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 5 2024 9:01 utc | 351

Norwegian 351
“When reading a post here, I make a super fast scan for the word ‘Marx’. If found, the post is immediately skipped.”
What’s wrong with Marxism? It’s just socialism and there’s quite a lot of it worldwide.
The curse of the 20th century was not Marxism, but the west’s hysterical over-reaction to Marxism.
Thus US genocide in Korea and Vietnam just because of the Marxist bogeymen, etc.
Like an organism suffering anaphylactic shock from auto-immune inflammation,
excess reaction to a foreign body leads to self-destruction.
Now we’re right back in the land of McCarthy hysteria and purges,
with the added element of racism against China, Russia, Persia etc…
(but the familiar element of genocide).
is genocide preferable to Marxism?

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Oct 5 2024 9:02 utc | 352

Posted by: Lachlan | Oct 5 2024 8:00 utc | 338
It looks like you’re replying to me but without post citation, so on that premise:
I used the term mechanistic in context to Tichy’s put down of Love Donbass’s statements that went beyond the realm of understanding relevant to Marxism. Tichy wasn’t interested in thinking about them, and thus flatly discredited them, simply because of that alien nature.
Both Capitalism, and Marxism in contention of it, exist in a metaphysical realm of post enlightenment reductionism and the separation of humanity from nature for the purpose of advancing industrial scale resource depletion. This destruction, whether progressed more or less equitably within a speciesist humanist viewpoint, requires alienation from the earth and its parts as a spiritual entity. To do that requires a mechanistic understanding of life.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 9:03 utc | 353

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 5 2024 8:51 utc | 351
Good for you. Glad you thought that was so important that you had to tell us all about it.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 9:09 utc | 354

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Oct 5 2024 9:02 utc | 353
What’s wrong with Marxism? ..
is genocide preferable to Marxism?
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From my point of view, nothing. I wish I lived in a propah socialist society of some shade. Arguing about But these arcane theoretical discussions really derail these threads.
Thanks for your posts, and your fine lyrics.

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 9:10 utc | 355

The Romans
The Romans believed that the gods had chosen them to rule the world
Their gods were: Jupiter, lord of the gods who symbolizes Rome’s Domination over the nations, Mars, god of war, and Janus the two-faced, god of decisions, beginnings and endings of wars
The Romans knew the bloody Aramaic fantasies that say: there is a dominant people, a “HerrenVolk”, chosen to dominate and enslave “the people of the land” of “the land of Canaan”
And the Romans said: -OMFG, this is the true true religion if “the people of the land” is the people of the Earth
This fusion of Roman imperial ideology and bloody biblical fantasies is the mental Software of the empires of Portugal, Spain, Holland, France, UK …
The Roman Empire suffered a great imperial crisis (250-300) and the capital moved from Rome to Constantinople
The Anglo-Empire suffered a great imperial crisis (1914-1949) and the capital moved from London to Washington
And since 1962/67 the reins of the imperial Beast and last version of the Roman Empire are held by the grandchildren of the Polish-Ukrainian Yiddish people

Posted by: Simon | Oct 5 2024 9:15 utc | 356

Outlaw US Empire West Asia policy is sunk as with Russia and China it’s driven the Iranians and Arabs together.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 4 2024 16:16 utc | 15
The recent rapprochement between Iranians and Arabs has been driven by a shared recognition of their mutual interests and positive values, along with the support of skilled diplomacy from credible third-party mediators. This shift has allowed solutions that once seemed unattainable to become realistic possibilities.
Importantly, the U.S. was not the driving force behind this reconciliation. In fact, it emerged despite U.S. foreign policy, not because of it. The nations involved have taken control of their own path, standing up and reaching out to create new opportunities for cooperation and stability in the region.

Posted by: Darma | Oct 5 2024 9:25 utc | 357

But these arcane theoretical discussions really derail these threads.
Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 9:10 utc | 356
The thing you overlook is that they arise out of very significantly relevant contentions. In this specific case the premise of ‘white empire’.
This construct is utterly vital to the mess we are witnessing yet some are offended by the concept and then resort to Marx as a means of dismissing it. That then metastasises into argument upon the merit of dimensions that are recognised, or not, within the field of orthodox Marxist perception.
Quite frankly I get tired of the endless words expended upon personal interpretations of why things are or are not happening as they occur, often repetitive of the exact same thing written previously. But I accept that as I understand this forum provides a means of metabolising the horror of what is happening. In actual fact those happenings occur regardless of anything written here. As such any notions of comment ‘relevance’ are fundamentally pretentious.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 9:26 utc | 358

The scandal is that this blog enters into the verbal game of the palace scribes of Washington Compost to try to rationalize brutality and sheer barbarism
The Zionist regime is not a Civilized State because it refuses to recognize as Citizenship a large part of the local population that lives in ghettos without civil rights and under military domination of artillery and aviation
The Zionist regime is a self-worshipping Viking tribe

Posted by: Simon | Oct 5 2024 9:27 utc | 359

Well, at least it doesn’t cost me half a day’s pay.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 4 2024 19:21 utc | 95
Maybe not. But it does rob you of your peace of mind and equanimity.

Posted by: Darma | Oct 5 2024 9:31 utc | 360

I watched Prof Ted Postol being interviewed in this video by Col. Daniel Davis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8GO__cW6qc&ab_channel=DanielDavis%2FDeepDive
±11-12 minutes in, he quotes some obscure unverified BDA research data by one of his graduate students ‘Wesley’ and surmises the warheads have a CEP of ±2kms.
I find it hard to believe Iran would not have better capabilities. Is he suffering from a case of projected ‘exceptionalismitis’?

Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 5 2024 9:36 utc | 361

Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 5 2024 9:36 utc | 362
Real cep, by registered hits, is way less than 2kms.
Simply put Israel cannot admit and disclose that Iran pose a real treat to it’s invulnerability.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 5 2024 9:41 utc | 362

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 9:26 utc | 359
As such any notions of comment ‘relevance’ are fundamentally pretentious.
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I wonder if ‘pretentious’ is the word, or perhaps ‘subjective’.
So sorry to hear you get tired of the repetitive personal interpretations of things that are occurring and why, and thanks for your gracious understanding of their necessity. I’m sure your characterization of orthodox Marxism will be found wanting by some who find it spiritual after all, and perhaps the discussion could continue. Your style of writing is not pretentious, it’s magisterial. Hope tiredness doesn’t preclude you from sharing more of your personal thoughts and interpretations.

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 9:43 utc | 363

The Holy Trinity
+ Roman imperial ideology
+ Barbarians
+ bloody Aramaic fantasies
= The West
(and in the words of the dwarf clown: “Jewish-Christianity”)

Posted by: Simon | Oct 5 2024 9:44 utc | 364

Taking a stroll through the Washington Post, Politico, Ynetnews, and Axios feels like wading through a swamp of tired narratives. Honestly, I could have skipped the whole thing. What’s truly scandalous is that even this blog succumbs to the same rhetorical games played by the elite mouthpieces of Washington, attempting to rationalize sheer savagery and uncivilized acts. It’s disheartening to see the discourse shift towards legitimizing these outdated and destructive policies, especially when it comes to Lebanon and Hezbollah. The notion that Hezbollah has been “wounded” and is somehow fading into irrelevance is a convenient but false narrative. In reality, Hezbollah remains a powerful and influential force in Lebanon, and trying to wish them away through such analysis only clouds the truth.

Posted by: Darma | Oct 5 2024 9:46 utc | 365

The West, 2
What savage tribe can carry out a colossal slaughter of men, women and children and go sing at the gay Eurovision party?
Answer: the narcissistic tribe of storytellers

Posted by: Simon | Oct 5 2024 9:51 utc | 366

You’re being too harsh sir. For instance, Iran is such great allies with Russia and China that it has to upgrade the M60 tanks in its arsenal, A tank designed in the 50’s ! Now Russia and China could have supplied Iran with newer tanks, maybe the T90 like Russia sold to India, but where would the fun be in that?
Posted by: Moonie | Oct 5 2024 2:34 utc | 276

I provide you 2 links, give them machine translation and inform yourself about the current state of the Iranian Tank fleet.
https://hamshahrionline.ir/x7vCr
https://www.tabnak.ir/005H9G

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 5 2024 9:53 utc | 367

I find it hard to believe Iran would not have better capabilities. Is he suffering from a case of projected ‘exceptionalismitis’?
Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 5 2024 9:36 utc | 362
At this point Postol is dealing with technologies he’s never had a chance to work with in the wild.
Everything he says regarding Iranian capabilities is going to be educated conjecture.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 9:54 utc | 368

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 9:43 utc | 364
‘Pretentious’ only in the sense of pretending to be more than it is respective to any functional relevance to the progress of events on the ground. The main and important function underway is sharing and dissipating the horrific experience of what is happening.
If posts were limited only to those that added new, objectively factual information about 60-70% of current content would be excluded. The differentiation of that 60-70% accordant to topic ‘relevance’ is highly subjective.
It is hard work ploughing through it all, but not nearly as hard work as living Gaza. We all need to be as strong and as forgiving as we can be.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 5 2024 9:55 utc | 369

If really the Gulfies wanted to take the bait they would create jobs… clicking farms…anything…for the Arab communuties that are fed up working with BS jobs in the West.
But this would mean allowing freedom of thought and i’m not sure they are ready for that yet.

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 5 2024 9:55 utc | 370

@Mario #69
Don’t confuse “Russia bad” with Biden’s (and the neocons) “Ukraine will be supported to the last Ukrainian”.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 5 2024 9:57 utc | 371

Venezuelan President Maduro – looking to unite – those who oppose the Zionist genocide.
The Venezuelan government has underscored the necessity of joining hands with Iran and Arab nations in West Asia to establish a “world front” against Israel’s crimes and acts of terrorism.
Yvan Gil, the Venezuelan foreign minister, made the call after a meeting with ambassadors and diplomatic representatives of Iran, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Kuwait, Algeria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Qatar and Sudan in the capital Caracas on Friday.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/10/05/734589/Venezuela-Yvan-Gil-world-front-Israeli-terrorism

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 5 2024 10:02 utc | 372

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 5:06 utc | 308
In 1597, Japan renewed its offensive by invading Korea a second time.
Thank you for this history. These conflicts within eastern Asia are little known to me (a product of western education), but are clearly of significance-particularly for Koreans. I was completely unaware of the long standing Japanese agression towards Korea.
Nevertheless, I think the memories still linger in overall Japanese (hence US) relations with Korea-both North and South.
Thank you, and I will delve a bit deeper into this history.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Oct 5 2024 10:02 utc | 373

@ Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 9:54 utc | 369
His central theory seems to be based on the projectiles being warheads that have been dispersed from the one missile in the final phase prior to hitting the target, and hence the low accuracy.
I find it hard to believe one would go through the trouble of sending a warhead 2,000 kms and not give it some kind of terminal guidance, something Iranians have already proven they are quite capable of producing in the attack on Saudi oilfields.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 5 2024 10:05 utc | 374

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 5 2024 7:59 utc | 337
Referring to: @Arch Bungle | Oct 4 2024 22:06 utc | 193
What an extraordinary well written and truthful summary, thank you! This should be distributed far and wide.
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Seconded. I’ve saved that to distribute to interested people and for future reference.
Now, Arch, if only you could put on your historical materialist glasses and improve it a bit…
Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 8:05 utc | 339
Fully agree. I also added my thanks to Arch at @374.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Oct 5 2024 10:09 utc | 375

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 9:43 utc | 364
‘Pretentious’ only in the sense of pretending to be more than it is respective to any functional relevance to the progress of events on the ground. The main and important function underway is sharing and dissipating the horrific experience of what is happening.
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Okay, got it… I don’t think most people are pretending that what they say here has anything whatsoever to do with progress of events on the ground — just understanding, sharing and dissipating the horror as you say. Maybe some use it to undertake ameliorative actions, however minor and belated… I’m trying to help a Palestinian refugee myself.

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 10:10 utc | 376

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 5 2024 9:57 utc | 372
I was specifically referring to Europe.
Ukrainine to the last Ukrainian is supported by the Russia bed meme.
It goes on the line we must help Ukraine because if she loose bad Russian will spread to Lisbon in Portugal.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 5 2024 10:14 utc | 377

Simon 357
“This fusion of Roman imperial ideology and bloody biblical fantasies is the mental Software of the empires of Portugal, Spain, Holland, France, UK …”
One of the British works of poetry that most starkly illustrates the religious and emotional connection between the European west and Israel,
is the epic mystical poem by William Blake entitled “Jerusalem: The Emanation of the Giant Albion”, by English poet William Blake (1804)”
The title says it all.
Actually I like William Blake, who cared about poor people and protested through poetry against the viscious economic oppression of Britain’s industrial revolution, no less cruel than the socialist revolutions of either Russia or China. He coined useful expressions such as “mind forged manacles” that are abundantly in evidence today. But I digress…
In “Jerusalem, the Emanation…” we see just how deeply the western mind became emotionally wedded to a mythical biblical Israel, supporting its narrative and racial idea of moral supremacism and being chosen by God. And thus of course able to act with impunity.
“Eroticises war” – that makes sense.
Jerusalem: The Emanation of the Giant Albion, by English poet William Blake (1804)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem:_The_Emanation_of_the_Giant_Albion
Jerusalem tells the story of the fall of Albion, Blake’s embodiment of man, Britain or the western world as a whole.
The poetic narrative takes the form of a “drama of the psyche”, couched in the dense symbolism of Blake’s self-constructed mythology.
Because it includes a cast of billions, Jerusalem can seem confusing. The poem does not have a linear plot. Characters morph in and out of each other. A character can be a person and a place. Jerusalem, the Emanation of Albion, is a woman and a city. Albion, “the Universal Humanity”, is a man and a land (Britain). He contains twelve sons who co-inhere with the twelve tribes of Israel, as well as Four Zoas. Every Zoa (embodying a life principle) has an Emanation (a feminine figure through which the human can become divine). The Zoas and Emanations include:
– Tharmas, the primal man, linked with Enion, an earth mother.
– Urthona, the spirit of inspiration, embodied in Los, the prophetic artist, who forges a city of art in his furnaces. Enitharmon, his Emanation, weaves beams of beauty.
– Luvah, the “feeling-function” Zoa, is Albion’s spectre, whose counterpart Vala is Jerusalem’s shadow. Vala eroticises war.
– Urizen embodies Reason. Gracious Ahania is his Emanation.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Oct 5 2024 10:15 utc | 378

Simon 357
I agree with your comment, but did it really have to take a genocide in Europe for this reality to be comceptualised, let alone be mentioned? Probably. God works in mysterious ways His wonders to perform.
Really, Rome should have stayed at home on Oct7 instead of displaying its mind boggling intellectual nakedness to the world.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2024 10:20 utc | 379

A belief in generational guilt is stupid.
We’re all here because our ancestors survived.
If you believe in generational guilt, we’re all the bad guys. Our ancestors fought for bad men. Our great great great great grandmothers bore children to the men who slaughtered their husbands and their natural sons.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 4 2024 21:50 utc | 182
Still, you take advantage of what your ancestors had stolen from other countries, considering that you live in a “developed” country. That “development” came from piracy and terrorism.
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“The roads they walk on, the cities they live in”
I take extreme offense to this. I’ve done manlid holes for the streets of Sweden. Me. Not a Venezuelan. I make furniture for the train stations of Sweden. Me. Not an Afghan. I guess the Swedes “stole” the Cathedral of Lund from some poor Africans a thousand years ago.
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 4 2024 21:49 utc | 180
Swedes were not angels either. It had colonies in Asia and Africa. Trying to show the world that they are so democratic and good to foreigners that Sweden allows the foreigners in to live there doesn’t mean anything other than the Swedish people are getting old, and don’t have enough hands to work, especially the menial jobs. That is also a way of exploitation!

Posted by: ostro | Oct 5 2024 10:28 utc | 380

Posted by: Kay | Oct 5 2024 3:57 utc | 299
It is so obvious. The mainstream media that lies about Ukraine is lying about the Middle East. The fact they now report the tail is wagging the dog tells you everything. It is quite frankly absurd.
The printing press goes Brrrrr as they flood Israel with money. The lobby’s job is to make sure some of it ends back up in Washington pockets.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 5 2024 10:40 utc | 381

The tail wagging the dog is a catchphrase for Plausible deniability and the fake ceasefire has already been exposed live from the Whitehouse.
As they say the quiet part out loud.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FNVJbYCVBrM&pp=ygUTcXVpZXQgcGFydCBvdXQgbG91ZA%3D%3D
A journalist finally doing their job. Got the best gotcha moment in recent memory.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 5 2024 10:47 utc | 382

Jewish Institute for National Security of America (JINSA).
JINSA was founded in 1976, 3 years after the Yom Kippur War.[5] JINSA’s founding, according to Jason Vest, writing in The Nation, was prompted by “neoconservatives concerned that the United States might not be able to provide Israel with adequate military supplies in the event of another Arab-Israeli war.”[6]
JINSA since expanded its portfolio to cover not only Israel-U.S. relations, but general American national security policy as well.[7]
In the late 1980s, JINSA underwent a profound repurposing of mission which, although retaining the interest in maintaining and strengthening the U.S.–Israeli defense relationship, widened its focus to general U.S. defense and foreign policy, with missions and meetings with national leaders and officials Ethiopia, Belgium, South Korea, India, Bulgaria, Italy, the Republic of China, Uzbekistan, Costa Rica, Spain, Eritrea, Jordan, the People’s Republic of China, Hungary, United Kingdom and Germany.[citation needed]

Posted by: derkesthai | Oct 5 2024 10:50 utc | 383

Al-Ciada and the Zionists are one and the same along with ISIS–all one big club. Zionists may hate Arabs, but they love Arabs that kill Arabs, same with the Outlaw US Empire.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 5 2024 0:21 utc | 234
ISIS is USREAL

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 5 2024 10:56 utc | 384

From that video,
“we are losing this country”

(!?)
Talks were at a standstill: London had offered Uganda for “our colonial project,” and they were humbly reminded that London was a stinking swamp when Solomon strolled through grand palaces imagined by storytellers
But the huge casualties suffered by the British army led them back to negotiation and a little-known but well-documented deal: if you bring the Americans into the war we will give you Palestine.
This was in 1917
Then a little later, in 1947, a million dollars helped Truman see clearly “our colonial project”
And since 1962/67 there is no American ruling class worth mentioning, but rag dolls at the service of Permanent Washington and its Mental Software designed by palace scribes, grandchildren of the Ukrainian, Polish, Lithuanian and Byelorussian Yiddish people

Posted by: Simon | Oct 5 2024 11:01 utc | 385

Iran is apparently trying to rally the Arab countries to undertake a united initiative to end the conflict in Lebanon and Gaza.
Iranian FM is now in Damascus.
https://en.irna.ir/news/85617986/Iran-says-there-are-initiatives-for-ceasefire-in-Lebanon-Gaza
The Arab countries, and the Islamic countries together have enormous potential in every respect.
If united based on common interests, with their formidable collective potential and power they could free themselves of foreign bondage, ensure a prosperous life for their citizens and be one of the main centers in a new, better world order.
Other news:
Israeli media reports that CENTCOM Chief Michael Kurilla to arrive in “Israel” in coming hours.
Israeli media: It is thought that Kurilla will look into coordinating Israeli retaliation to Iranian missile attack.
Israeli media also reporting that Israel is preparing for a strong and major attack on Iran and is counting on support from regional partners.

Posted by: JB | Oct 5 2024 11:01 utc | 386

@Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 5 2024 4:14 utc | 301
At least since the US took over The Philipines from the Spaniards, through a full betrayal by high ranking commanders in the Navy and even at commander in chief of Spanish armed forces level ( a traitor who was in Florida as the 1898 Spanish disaster unleashed, can you bvelieve it?…) unleashing the US-Philipine War which resulted in the Philipine Genocide, when the US, after it took over, shot every Philipine male above 14 years old, we know this is a usual US custom, to wipe out male population, ( as they are doing in Ukraine, btw, no other way you can take over all oif Ukraine with its rich lands, resources and strategic location, as we witness for already tow years in a round, with such stedfastness and stubborn will of the Ukrainians to fight, sadly, in the wrong side….) to control the land and sea resources plus its strategic location to control the Pacific Ocean, commercial routes and seas, as they have done for the past decades…
Now they kill them since babyhood and inside hospitals and civilian homes so that they have not to kill them when they are grown and able at least to throw them a stone, them cowards….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Oct 5 2024 11:02 utc | 387

fyi
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1842381950377431394
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
#Israeli PM @Netanyahu diverted attention from his crimes against humanity & war crimes in #Gaza by invading #Lebanon. This is the level of the finest criminal mind of Israel’s leadership. He moves from one destruction to another just to survive politically.
https://x.com/MintPressNews/status/1842261735719268813
MintPress News @MintPressNews
The Palestinian Authority has kidnapped Al-Jazeera journalist Layth Jaar
The West Bank based journalist had been kidnapped, after suffering physical assault at the hands of the Palestinian Authority (PA)’s Security Forces. Layth Jaar has been subjected to this treatment following a documentary he filmed in Tulkarem, covering armed groups there that are resisting Israel.
The Palestinian Authority actively collaborates with the Israeli occupation forces and carries out “security coordination”.
https://x.com/Powerfulmindx/status/1841931968386154640
Dyor @Powerfulmindx
“This is the worst leadership I have ever seen exerted by the United States 🇺🇸, in almost every category. I don’t even get into the domestic issues, but in terms of international relations, foreign policies, security policy, this is the most damaging, cretin-like group of people I have ever encountered in my life in this country. @SecBlinken leads the list; @JoeBiden is right there with him; @JakeSullivan46 is right there….”
– Lawrence Wilkerson, Retired United States Army Colonel and former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2024 11:02 utc | 388

The tail wagging the dog is a catchphrase for Plausible deniability of genocide. Just in case the world grows a pair and the international court start issuing arrest warrants for Sullivan and Blinken.
I suspect we are far better using the Orwell analysis.
There is an Inner Party that runs things, and Outer Party who are jostling for position to get into the Inner Party, and then there is the rest of us who look at the whole stupid game with equal measures of bemusement and irritation.
If there is hope, it lies in the proles.
The Puff Diddy scandal sweeping America highlights exactly this. Most people are careerists and will say and do anything to become a member of the inner party.
The world needs its own Puff Diddy Scandal in its universities, economics, history, media , the arts, literature etc, etc. That exposes both the inner party and Outer Party for who they really are. Careerist, psychopaths jostling for positions.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 5 2024 11:04 utc | 389

interesting reading: “Borrell accuses Israel of exacerbating conflict”

He emphasized that Israel is only able to achieve military superiority thanks to the support it receives from the West.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-823221

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 5 2024 11:08 utc | 390

Suck Puff Diddy’s dick just to get on the radio. Commit genocide just to get ahead and invites keep coming from the right dinner parties.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 5 2024 11:12 utc | 391

israel had better be ready to live without gas, oil and electricity for a long time
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Here is the truth
Army Radio, Israel Hayom, and Haaretz, published simultaneously:
The Israeli attack against Iran will be large and serious
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Gazaplatform?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Gaza News Platform
🔹 Israeli media:
The army is preparing to launch “surface-to-surface” missiles towards Iran.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2024 11:14 utc | 392

All this talk…
I can’t predict WHEN it will happen , but it will happen.
The “WHEN” day comes for most people when they realize they have been defrauded of ALL. At that point nothing matters, and it is then they are willing to fight and die against their oppressors.
The fundamentals of world politics and economics indicate that day is soon approaching. The oligarch class will never accept quiet retirement. The point of acquiring all they’ve got is the exercise of power over others.
What’s the point of being Uber-rich if I can’t make you feel miserable?
The Jewish vision of a materialist and comfortable world is a Death-Trap for anyone who succumbs to it.
Be willing to live well and enjoy a materially deprived life. Embrace Ascetism.

Posted by: OldFart | Oct 5 2024 11:19 utc | 393

israel had better be ready to live without gas, oil and electricity for a long time
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2024 11:14 utc | 393
When the electricity goes out the Al Qassam brigades come, their gunbarrels glinting in the moonlight …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 11:20 utc | 394

“Borrell accuses Israel of exacerbating conflict”
Plausible deniability of genocide. In case Borrell gets issued with an arrest warrant. The garden is driving and right behind and planning what is happening in the Jungle.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 5 2024 11:21 utc | 395

Al-Mansar live feed;
Hebrew media: Sirens sound in Karmiel in Galilee
13:28 Sirens sound in Haifa and the surrounding area: Israeli media
13:27 Israeli occupation army says 38 soldiers injured in last 24 hours
13:27 Islamic Resistance fighters fired two Falaq-2 rockets at Sa’sa’ Israeli settlement: Hezbollah statement
13:26 Israeli media says firefighters working to extinguish fires that erupted in the outskirts of Safed due to rockets launched from Lebanon
12:25 Iranian Foreign Minister Arrives in Syria, Pushes for Regional Ceasefire More..
11:51 Day 12 of Israeli Aggression on Lebanon: Raids Kill Jamaa Islamiya, Hamas Officials More..
11:18 Hezbollah’s Islamic Resistance fighters fired a salvo of Fadi-1 rockets at Ramat David Airbase: statement
11:01 Islamic Resistance fighters targeted an Israeli Merkava near Maroun Al-Ras with a guided missile, confirmed casualties among its crew: Hezbollah statement
10:57 Health Ministry in Gaza: Death toll of Israeli aggression since the start of the war last October reaches 41,825 as number of injured people surpasses 96,900
10:54 Al-Jamaa Al-Islamiya pronounces martyrdom of Ali Al-Hajj, director of Al-Abrar School in Israeli strike that targeted his house in Al-Rafid in Western Bekaa
10:51 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon reports Israeli artillery shelling of Khiam and Kfar Kila border towns
10:20 Israeli media: 5 rockets were launched from Lebanon toward the “Yizreel Valley” area
09:22 Israeli media: Rocket sirens sound in Nazareth, Yokneam and surrounding
09:21 Iranian foreign minister arrives in Damascus for talks with Syrian officials
01:56 Al-Manar reporter: Israeli air raids target Beirut’s Dahiyeh
00:50 Hezbollah military officer: Islamic Resistance fighters are closely monitoring the IOF border movements and repelling all the infiltration attempts while hitting their barracks and bases in the occupied territories with artillery shells and missile barrages
00:45 Hezbollah military officer: Maron-Yaron confrontations inflicted losses upon the enemy troops who withdrew holding the dead and injured
00:42 Hezbollah military officer: Islamic Resistance fighters ambushed on Friday afternoon IOF trying to advance into Maron Al-Ras and Yaron, detonating IEDs and firing gunshots and rocketry shells in a direct clash
00:34 Hezbollah military officer: The video footage cost the Israelis the lives of 20 elite soldiers, which made the enemy’s censorship impose blackout on the incident
00:31 Hezbollah military officer: Video footage showing Israeli occupation soldiers near houses of a Lebanese border village was captured few meters away from the fence where locals built their homes
00:07 Iranian Missiles Overwhelmed Israeli Defenses: WSJ More..
2024-10-04
21:00 Sirens sounded in Kiryat Shmona: Israeli media
20:02 Israeli military radio: 70 missiles were fired from Lebanon during the two latest hours

Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2024 11:24 utc | 396

their gunbarrels glinting in the moonlight …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 11:20 utc | 395

Knives and clubs.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 5 2024 11:28 utc | 397

a) Racism doesn’t exist and never existed
b) Systematised, State Enforced White Racism doesn’t exist
c) White Colonialism never existed, and does not now exist
d) White Colonialism was no more evil than any other colonialism in the last 500 years
… is a complete loon.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 6:44 utc | 326
After living in dc for 40 yrs. You learn every race is racist to everyone

Posted by: Feck | Oct 5 2024 11:31 utc | 398

Esmail Qaani, the leader of Iran’s Quds Force, was eliminated by Israel along with Nasrallah’s successor and the rest of the Shura council. From where we’re sitting, Hezbollah is not only losing, it already lost. The only question is what survives when this is over.

Posted by: Muhammed | Oct 5 2024 11:37 utc | 399

Anybody noticed that Iran now has a nuclear payload delivery mechanism?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 11:39 utc | 400