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October 4, 2024
White House To Meddle In Lebanese Policies – Provoking More Bombings

David Ignatius, the CIA's and administration's spokesperson at the Washington Post, is peddling one of these day's most stupid ideas:

The U.S. has an opportunity to help rebuild Lebanese sovereignty – (archived)
Israel’s decapitation of Hezbollah has created a security vacuum.

The Biden administration’s diplomacy has failed to restrain Israel and de-escalate the Middle East conflict over the past year. But the administration has a new opportunity for constructive engagement: helping the Lebanese Armed Forces fill the void left by a collapsing Hezbollah and reestablish the Lebanese government’s sovereignty.

To start a column with a lies shows the way it will go. The Biden administration has not 'failed to restrain' Israel but has urged it to peruse its attacks on Hizbullah:

Presidential adviser Amos Hochstein and Brett McGurk, the White House coordinator for the Middle East, told top Israeli officials in recent weeks that the U.S. agreed with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s broad strategy to shift Israel’s military focus to the north against Hezbollah in order to convince the group to engage in diplomatic talks to end the conflict, the officials told POLITICO.

The Lebanese Armed Forces, which Ignatius wants to promote, have a nominal strength of some 80,000 men. But, thanks to U.S. influence over it, they is only lightly armed, little trained and of no use against any serious enemy. The LAF's fighting value in quantity and quality is well below that of Hizbullah's cadres.

Ignatius is dreaming:

Israel’s decapitation of Hezbollah — culminating in the killing of Hasan Nasrallah last week — has created a security vacuum in Lebanon. The shellshocked lower ranks of Hezbollah undoubtedly hope to fill the void. But for the first time in a generation, there’s a real chance that the LAF takes control of the nation’s security and its borders, with proper assistance.

'A collapsing Hizbullah' is a wet dream of imperialist and Zionist but has nothing to do with reality. Just ask the Israeli forces which, in recent days, tried to infiltrate into southern Lebanon. The alleged 'security vacuum' hit them with all its might:

Israeli forces were struck with rockets on the outskirts of the Lebanese town of Odaisseh on Thursday afternoon, one of the towns where troops fell into a bloody ambush just a day earlier.

A Hezbollah guided-missile attack also hit a Merkava tank in the Natoa settlement not long before.

“When an Israeli enemy infantry force attempted to infiltrate towards the cemetery of the town of Yaroun, the Mujahideen of the Islamic Resistance detonated a Sejil explosive device at the advancing force at 12:00 noon on Thursday 10-3-2024, killing and wounding them,” Hezbollah said earlier, marking its 21st statement on 3 October.

Hezbollah announced shortly before that its fighters “detonated an explosive device at 12:00 noon on Thursday 10-3-2024 with a force from the Golani Brigade in the Tartira area in the town of Maroun al-Ras, which was trying to bypass the western side of the town.”

The members of the Golani Brigade force were killed or wounded, the Hezbollah statement added.

Over the last days the 'security vacuum' also managed to fire hundreds of missiles onto the Zionist colony:

Sirens sounded in Israel's Haifa, Carmel foot hills and the Hadera region, including – for the first time since the war began, in Caesarea, An affluent seaside community where Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu owns a private residence.

Hezbollah attacked northern Israel including the cities of Haifa and Acre repeatedly since the early morning hours. Rockets also landed in the Upper Galilee causing damage but no injuries.

The White House thinking, it seems, is not impeded by any reality:

The Biden administration sees a “massive opportunity” in Lebanon, a senior official told me this week. But to help Lebanon regain sovereignty, the Biden administration will have to move quickly and decisively while Hezbollah is still in disarray.

The Pentagon has been rehearsing for this role for several decades through its support program for the LAF. Less than four months ago, the Pentagon hosted the LAF’s commander, Gen. Joseph Aoun, in Washington and at Centcom headquarters in Florida.

“Biden administration officials want the LAF to prepare a force that could potentially deploy near the border to monitor a future buffer zone negotiated between Israel and Hezbollah,” Al-Monitor news organization reported at the time of Aoun’s visit in mid-June.

The LAF forces are already deployed near the border. They are not very friendly with Israeli forces which routinely kills them:

Two Lebanese army soldiers were killed in separate Israeli strikes on south Lebanon on Thursday, the military said as Hezbollah said it repelled Israeli troops trying to cross the border.

The army said in a statement that a soldier was killed in an Israeli strike on a military post in the Bint Jbeil area, adding that soldiers fired back at the source of the fire.

A military official told AFP that this was the first response to Israeli fire since last October because the post had been “directly” hit.

It was the second Lebanese soldier to be killed by Israeli strikes on Thursday.

The army had announced earlier in the day that a soldier “was killed and another was wounded as a result of an aggression by the Israeli enemy during an evacuation and rescue operation with the Lebanese Red Cross in Taybeh village.”

To support his dream Ignatius cites a long discredited Lebanese neo-conservative:

Michael Young, a veteran Lebanese journalist, explained the dynamics after Nasrallah’s death in a post Sunday for the Carnegie Endowment’s Diwan website. He juxtaposed Hezbollah’s “logic of resistance” with “the logic of the state” and said the latter “imposes itself on a country that has been carried into a catastrophe by an armed group that has disregarded the Lebanese state.”

Young wrote that in the view of many Lebanese, “the single national institution that retains credibility and widespread popular endorsement is the Lebanese army.”

Unlike Ignatius, Young himself sees no plausible way to put the Lebanese army on top of the state. The most influential politician in Lebanon is the current speaker of the parliament, Nabih Berri. His Amal party is allied with Hizbullah and depends on its votes. Without Berri's support, Young writes, any change in the distribution of power in Lebanon is inconceivable.

But Ignatius insists that the impossible is doable or at least worth a try:

[R]ebuilding the Lebanese state behind a strong army — supported by a population that is sick of Hezbollah’s violent fantasy of resistance — is an achievable goal. It will require disciplined American effort and political will. But it’s a worthy task for Joe Biden’s final months in office and for his successor.

So let's send the Marines to prop up the LAF and let's manipulated the country's policies through bribes from the U.S. embassy.

Some thirty years ago the U.S. attempted to do such stupid things. In consequence its embassy got blown up as were the Marine's barracks.

Why someone believes that it is smart to now follow a similar strategy, and to thereby likely provoke a similar outcome, is well beyond me.


Added: Ignatius' column is, apparently, not a fluke. Axios just posted this:

Scoop: U.S. wants to use Hezbollah's weakness to elect new Lebanese president

The stupidity – it hurts.

Comments

Oh sorry, that was @ostro 😀
I need to get some sleep.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 4 2024 22:25 utc | 201

Thanks for the replies. First, Russia has been interacting with all the Arabs for decades and more recently as an intimate of OPEC+ where far more than energy policy’s discussed. So, Russia and China knew very well what sort of people/nations were being brought into BRICS. And as myself and others have said, the Outlaw US Empire’s policies have driven all these actors together. It’s on that point that I almost demand people watch this amazing talk between Hudson and Wolff that Nima moderted yesterday, “Richard D. Wolff & Michael Hudson: Middle East Exploding, Ukraine Crumbling! the US Take Action?”: They pose all the questions not being talked about by Harris, Trump or anyone else in Empire LaLa Land. It’s an hour and fifteen minutes of info you’ll find absolutely nowhere else on the planet. And when you’re finished watching and thinking about the incredibleness of what you just heard, watch the next to last, and so forth as the Hudson/Wolff/Nima series is unique.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 4 2024 22:30 utc | 202

Re: “All I have seen is that Hezbollah will choose someone to replace Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah soon. That person may or may not be Qassem. I should think that in the current circumstances any decision Hezbollah makes will be deliberately kept vague, so that the replacement himself does not become a target for assassination”.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 4 2024 21:29 utc | 165
I disagree. They need to choose someone as a replacement quickly. He needs to be high profile, robust, strong and humble. He needs to appear on Televised speeches every couple of days, pounding the message and infiltrating the political movements, exposing various plots.
I agree that this person should be operating 10 bunkers deep in Iran… but nevertheless, the “weakened” Hezbollah needs to aggressively reassert its position politically as well as militarily as military wins and gains are only as good as their political victories for the future of Lebanon.
Also, we need to start seeing “disappearances” of places Western puppets as messages. That’s my opinion.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 4 2024 22:36 utc | 203

Racism is nonsense, the big issue is classism and the natural identification with the dominant people
Posted by: Simon | Oct 4 2024 21:00 utc | 140
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It seems odd that, with all the flurry about affirmative action programs, it is unclear what the results of DEI policies at top unis actually have been. I think the theory was something like that with DEIs channeled to high-status institutions where they could get access to a topnotch education, one way or another this would help both their own group and society as a whole.
I attended an Ivy League college and I have noticed, over the years, that the candidate slates for various roles such as board of governors, alumni representatives, and other such things have become ever more “diverse” BUT ever more “invested” in ruling- class positions and power such as finance, corporate law, hedge fundies, international banking, etc.). Then it is time to retire and they all write little essays full of buzzwords, especially that it is time to “give back”—by getting into one of these high-status positions within the institutions where they continue to rub shoulders with others of their ilk.
Back in the day, before “diversity,” it sure seemed to me that a lot of graduates who were nominated for such roles had actually gone into far more diverse professions: medicine, the law, social work, therapy, science, teaching, social work, engineering, architecture, city planning, academia, municipal administrators, diplomats . . . They didn’t just go to Wall Street.
I would love to see some stats on this.
My point: it looks to me as though nonwhite or non-Anglo individuals (Asian Americans, Indians, Latin Americans, Eastern Europeans, etc.) within the current Western framework if they can, aim for high-status, powerful positions where they can make a lot of money, join fancy clubs, etc. regardless of the color of their skin or their ethnicity.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 4 2024 22:39 utc | 204

I see Axios quoted around quite a bit in the mainstream and alternative medias as a reliable source of ‘information’
but I didn’t know this, or maybe I did, and had forgotten it. And see the thread at the first link with some of Ravid’s twitter posts pushing a pure zionist propaganda narrative in favor of israel and against any Resistance:
https://x.com/MemeIndustrial/status/1842280136856772715
The Meme-Industrial Complex @MemeIndustrial
Periodic reminder that Axios “political reporter” Barak Ravid was an IDF reservist as of like a year ago & served—i.e. still serves—in its Unit 8200 psyop division
In other words he is literally an Israeli spook posing as a US ‘news’ provider
Barak Ravid @BarakRavid
🇺🇸🇱🇧Scoop: The White House wants to use Hezbollah’s weakness to elect new Lebanese president in the coming days. My story on @axios

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 4 2024 22:40 utc | 205

And when you’re finished watching and thinking about the incredibleness of what you just heard, watch the next to last, and so forth as the Hudson/Wolff/Nima series is unique.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 4 2024 22:30 utc | 203
Hudson was brutally taken to task by Johnstone over the Israel question and hasn’t managed or cared to provide any meaningful retort despite the article being one of the most noteworthy of the last year on Consortium News.
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/03/12/the-debate-over-israel-as-us-aircraft-carrier/

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 4 2024 22:55 utc | 206

What you and Karlof is missing is the Iranian’s went to Oman first to let them know what they were doing.
I think it was a day or 2 before the strike. Hence, the statement by the arabs.
Of course they were alright with it, if the arabs and others have to sign off on it first.
When they start to uncontrollably move up the escalation ladder due to the Israelis response. It will be different. Iran will need to take steps they will not agree with and will not be given the heads up beforehand.
Russia’s idea to keep everybody informed and thus going to Oman first as Russian advisors flew in also. You could probably bet on it.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 4 2024 17:29 utc | 40

What a nonsense.
The enormous amount of available sources and information doesn’t allow careful reading of every piece of information, therefor often one has no choice other then fast reading of info snippets and comments.
During the last week I’ve read a lot of BS about:
– Russia had instructed Iran to do this or that
– Hypersonics were delivered by Russia
– Iran used Russian navigation systems
– Iran did True Promise II after green light from Moscow
and so on …
even there were “reports” about Russia having armed Yemen (the same Russia that didn’t stop UNSC to adopt the recent resolution 2739 against Yemen)
Of course I sorted them all in ignore box and continued with reading, but … you here, managed finally to make me react. You managed to provoke me just like that internationally known PR Agent who was framed after True Promise I and told us the fairy tale about, Russia saving Iran by intercepting a nuke-armed Zionist fighter jet, tasked to hit Iran. Go in MoA archives and read what was my reaction few hours after he published that fairy tale.
This type of Propaganda neither bring anyone credibility as an analyst nor produce reliable credit
for Russia.
The none-nuclear Iran felt his red lines crossed when an official guest and later an important ally were assassinated and decided to send 200 missiles to punish the holy cow of entire western camp. While the nuclear-armed Russia has not punished anyone even after Nato invaded it’s territory. Russia could send some missiles (not some, just one) in direction Poland or Lithuania or even England. None of them are holy cows for the western camp the way Zionist Apartheid regime is. … And as a result of this attitude, the war, oh sorry! my bad! the SMO, will go on and on and on with MIC on the both sides as main profit-makers and ex-soviet citizens on both side treated as expendable. Digest these facts.
I challenge again all friends of China and Russia in this forum to answer a question I asked about 9 months ago. Where are those SU 35 fighters that should be delivered to Iran?
For the rest of us, lets take a moment and think about who benefit from stopping the SU 35 deal. My 2 cents, Focus your support on the anti-imperialist camp and never trust imperialists!

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 4 2024 23:03 utc | 207

can you sink any lower than the israelis/americans in the Middle East yesterday, today and tomorrow?
https://x.com/HadiNasrallah/status/1842271268319473703
Hadi @HadiNasrallah
Israel just bombed a hospital in Bent Jbeil, South Lebanon. Injuries among hospital staff. The Israeli occupation forces are not allowing ambulances to enter the area threatening to bomb them. They ran out of hospitals to bomb in Gaza now they’re doing it in Lebanon. Diabolical.
The Israeli occupation forces were completely obliterated on the ground by Hezbollah so now they resort to bombing hospitals and civilian infrastructure killing hundreds of innocents for revenge. The most cowardly and morally corrupt people in history.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 4 2024 23:14 utc | 208

Yes b, quite right: is not the definition of compromised sovereignty a foreign invasion? And is not the definition of sovereign assertion the repulsion of that invasion? Israel represents the single greatest threat to Lebanese national sovereignty—indeed to national sovereignty anywhere. The USA is a close second. While I no longer have any respect for Peter Garrett of the great Australian band, Midnight Oil, I did once when I was young, especially when he sang: “US forces give the nod… it’s a setback for your country.” A great song and right on the money.

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 4 2024 23:14 utc | 209

Added: Ignatius’ column is, apparently, not a fluke. Axios just posted this:
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/04/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-new-leader-us
The stupidity – it hurts.
Posted by b on October 4, 2024 at 15:35 UTC

My thoughts: If that were to happen then it would only be a matter of time before the installed puppet attempted to use lawfare to outlaw or weaken Hezbollah resulting in a civil war. It would then give the Israelis a pretext to invade on the side of the installed gov and the effective disintegration/destruction of Lebanon.

Two U.S. officials said the White House sees the current situation in Lebanon as an opportunity to break the deadlock over the election of a Lebanese president and thinks this should be the top priority, even before a push for a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah.

Bearing in mind that Hezbollah has already said that the terms for their own ceasefire is a ceasefire in Gaza, then the proposal from the US is means in effect the sidelining and quiet annihilation of the Palestinians. The final result (if this were to succeed) would be that Israel would now have their land grab (both in Gaza and Lebanon) and be a step closer to Greater Israel.
I would expect I am not the only one who could see this potential scenario and therefore I cannot see it happening.

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Oct 4 2024 23:16 utc | 210

reply to 207
I dont like knocking Hudson, he s a good guy but your Consortium piece makes good points about the relationship with Israel – and the grossly beneficial to Israel situation in US policy. In accord with stupidity at the highest levels, they repeat uncritical nonsense. An aircraft carrier? To defend who, Israel?

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 4 2024 23:17 utc | 211

Gaza News Now
“Officially, the Radwan martyrdom unit stormed Kiryat Shmona with the aim of killing and kidnapping…literally, the enemy’s media is talking about a massacre of their soldiers”

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 4 2024 23:22 utc | 212

Posted by: Alpi | Oct 4 2024 22:07 utc | 194
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Are you really using Western sources to inform you of what BRICS is?
Wow.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 4 2024 23:22 utc | 213

Obama was very smart, odd he was so corrupt, . . .
Actually, I think he was born a dick.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 4 2024 22:16 utc | 199
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Obama isn’t that smart.
He is just smooth.
He is a raging egomaniac with some kind of pharaoh complex.
I think he knew he had been fingered for the political heights from an early age, and this drove his egotism and vanity.
His early (pre-inauguration) appointments signaled that the fix was in.
He is affectless when he speaks, and drones on and on.
Every time he says “folks” it makes me want to puke.
On him and his suit and the horse he rode in on.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 4 2024 23:28 utc | 214

Posted by: majoab | Oct 4 2024 22:12 utc | 198
“Writes a lot of stuff that amounts to absolutely nothing.”
You should read a beginners course in DIAMAT to understand what I was hinting at. I recommend Stalin. He’s easy to read.
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 4 2024 22:17 utc | 200
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Tichy, if you are a Marxist, then Marx must be a fool. He was not, you are. Do you have anything to say about the subject of this string? If not, then stop embarrassing Marx (and socialism in general) and take your “Marxism” to this thread: Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-234

Posted by: Ed | Oct 4 2024 23:40 utc | 215

There seems to be a media blitz about how the US can’t stop Israel from widening the war.
Of course the US can stop it; we’re arming the active shooter.
But the media blitz is interesting. It’s setting up Israel as a scapegoat if things go wrong.
As Freud remarked in “Civilization and Its Discontents,” the Jews make ideal scapegoats.
I am not equating Jews with Zionists; but Freud’s book was published in 1930; pre Israel…so moving forward to today, the Zionists will play the role of the Jews Freud had in mind.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 4 2024 23:45 utc | 216

Heres how Neo Con/Imperialist logic works:
If your opponent refuses to negotiate, it means that they are utterly evil and every effort must be made to destroy them.
If they agree to negotiate, it means that they are weak and collapsing and that negotiations should not be done.
Simple.

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 4 2024 23:47 utc | 217

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 4 2024 22:30 utc | 203
Eliminating the Palestinians is something that I don’t put past the average Israelis, they have been so brainwashed into fearing Hezbollah and Hamas. A simultaneous multi front war against Iran and every Muslim country is suicidal without nukes; this was never their MO 4 centuries during the Ottoman Empire. This stems from a lunatic imperial Crusade psychotic militant Christian Zealot mentality in which Israel willingly accomplice.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 4 2024 23:51 utc | 218

If the attack in Palmyra (Syria) was the answer of Zionist Apartheid regime to Iran, then Iran has from now on the legitimate right to hit Zionist genocide forces in Gaza, West Bank, Golan Heights and Lebanon.
Almost the same time Zionists were bombarding Palmyra, Hezbollah attacked Al-Jalil (Kiryat Shemona) in northern occupied Palestine and confronted Zionist soldiers stationed there.

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 4 2024 23:52 utc | 219

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 4 2024 22:06 utc | 193
Thanks. That cheered me right up.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 4 2024 23:55 utc | 220

Winning!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 4 2024 22:06 utc | 193
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Thanks for the great summary!
The Zionists have shown their destructive force.
It has been clear since the beginning of the Gaza genocide that they are destroying the legal, moral, and financial fabric of this country.
Now it seems the circle of destruction, and danger, and infamy is widening.
The Israelis are a barbaric high-tech horde running amok.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 4 2024 23:55 utc | 221

“Biden Suggests Israel Not Hit Iran Oil Fields, During Incredibly Rare WH Daily Briefing Appearance”
That is so lame!

Posted by: Jane | Oct 4 2024 23:56 utc | 222

Yesterday night I was viewing a video posted by Pepe Escobar in his TG channel where Professor Marandi was visiting Dahiyeh, the Hezbollah stronghold in south Beirut, in a tour for the press organized by the neighborhood authorities to show the destruction caused by Israel on civilian buildings…
https://youtu.be/hNwHwENm0Ds?si=_oWfBnEjQrND-a54
Well, having visited Lebanon in the past, not so long ago, but at realtively peaceful time, before the attack on the port ( today, clearly, part of the estrategy to invade and appropiate Lebanon blocking supplies for Hezbollah…), it seemed to me that, compared to the rest of Beirut, apart from the wiped out and vaporized buildings, the remaining buildings on foot in Dahiyeh looked of an acceptable quality, for European standards, and even high standard for a country with no government for a while and with its economy destroyed…and even the most humble of them were not making such estrident contrast with the others as happens in the rest of Beirut, where luxurious modern building rise in front of others which still keep the scares of the last war, with the entrance destroyed and the fachade full of holes, with the people still continue living there ( you notice at night, when you see lights and hear them as you pass…unbelievably….) obviously incapable of rebuilding and repairing their homes all these years, obviously also left at their own peril by the authorities of their neighborhoods…contrary to what happens in Dahiyeh…
I would not be surprised that the person in charge of central Beirut would be this Joseph Aoun… or the guy with such Lebanese sounding name Michael Young…
As I told here, if I am not wrong, you need help from the inside to invade or ruin a country.
Is this Joseph Aoun a mason?
As happened with the Spanish Navy in 1898 in Cuba, which at the time had enough power to neutralize the whole US Navy, they were those masons in charge, at national and army level, who sold their soldiers and the country, against the advice of several officials who perished doing their duty and obeying orders, unleashing the end of the Spanish Empire.
One of those traitors ordered the Spanish frigates sailing out the narrow Santiago Bay lined like ducks for a shot at day light and at slow velocity so that the Americans could destroy them all…The Americans even managed to repair some of them and appropiate them, as usual…
The traitors were all masons of the Scotish Rite, who received around 30 millions of dollars of that epoch to sell their country and their fellow countrymen….lessons from history…
https://youtu.be/1cqU-UFkGLI?feature=shared
One has to be despicable and cowardly being a military to accept crumbs ( which will be what they will give him, like they have done with Zelensky, just look at the map the zones they have called to be left by their inhabitants, dude, it is half of Lebanon…) in excahnge of the levelling of your motherland and the massive killing of your people, amongst them the most brave and honorable in the country…You have to be a rat…and like a rat you will live, amongst big rats, like those in US and Israeli deep states…

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Oct 4 2024 23:57 utc | 223

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 4 2024 22:16 utc | 199
I don’t know if he was born a dick, but black skin/white masks certainly applies.
He will be forgotten by history. Just another water carrier.
Or as Dave Chapelle put it at a standup in Oakland when asked what the thought about Obama: “Oh,” he said, hanging down his head, “he’s just a black cop.”

Posted by: JAB | Oct 4 2024 23:57 utc | 224

I disagree. They need to choose someone as a replacement quickly. He needs to be high profile, robust, strong and humble. He needs to appear on Televised speeches every couple of days, pounding the message and infiltrating the political movements, exposing various plots.
I agree that this person should be operating 10 bunkers deep in Iran… but nevertheless, the “weakened” Hezbollah needs to aggressively reassert its position politically as well as militarily as military wins and gains are only as good as their political victories for the future of Lebanon.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 4 2024 22:36 utc | 204
Such a visible person’s family to six degrees of separation should be in bunkers in Iran, or better yet, China then. Israel has a well-established habit of assassinating the families of people they don’t like.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 5 2024 0:03 utc | 225

Almost the same time Zionists were bombarding Palmyra, Hezbollah attacked Al-Jalil (Kiryat Shemona) in northern occupied Palestine and confronted Zionist soldiers stationed there.
Posted by: Framarz | Oct 4 2024 23:52 utc | 220
The Israelis are bombing Palmyra?
That is terrible!
It is one of the most important archaeological sites in the whole Levant.
A young Jordanian whom I met many years ago gave me a hardcover book just about Palmyra.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 5 2024 0:11 utc | 226

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 5 2024 0:03 utc | 226
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When God hath ordained a creature to die in a particular place, He causeth that creature’s wants to direct him to that place.
-Frank Herbert via Dune Book 1

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 0:12 utc | 227

What the US is probably thinking about.
To bomb Iran refineries or Export facilities ? Heads or tails?
Iran produces 3.9mbpd of crude and condenstae and refines 2.6mbpd according to the Energy Institue Statistiacal Review of World Energy.
So Iran exports 1.3mbpd of crude oil and condensate and its biggest weakness is that it has only one real buyer and that is China. Even India does not touch it. So if Israel attacked Kharg island it would remove 1.3mbpd from the market China buys from.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 4 2024 19:53 utc | 104
Iran’s threat to the west’s oil supply is not the oil that it produces, but the fact that it can easily shut down the Strait of Hormuz, and very easily target oil supplies in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere. This would have immediate, catastrophic effects on global fuel supplies. If anyone has not read about the $250 million war game the US military put on in 2002, “Millennium Challenge 2002,” it’s worth a web search. Radio War Nerd has a very good episode on it.

Posted by: Lukacs | Oct 5 2024 0:13 utc | 228

Almost the same time Zionists were bombarding Palmyra, Hezbollah attacked Al-Jalil (Kiryat Shemona) in northern occupied Palestine and confronted Zionist soldiers stationed there.
Posted by: Framarz | Oct 4 2024 23:52 utc | 220
That figures. Wasn’t it Al Qaieda who tried to destroy Palmyra during the syrian civil war?

Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 5 2024 0:17 utc | 229

Poor Tichy @207. I hope it slept well.
Over the past year, Dr. Hudson has decided to provide more about his time with the Hudson Institute and those it was training–Neocons and Zionists. IMO, he’s decided not to take anything with him to the grave, thus the new details supplied within the history he relates. In his talks with Rick Wolff, he’s chatting with a peer who has his own very carefully crafted insights into the nature of things. Together, they’re HOT.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 5 2024 0:18 utc | 230

RFK is scare he suffer the same fate of his uncle and is father when they were not enough friendly with the boss
Posted by: Dave | Oct 4 2024 21:14 utc | 152
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Tell me who put a gun to RFK Jr’s head and demanded that he pursue a career in politics?

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2024 0:20 utc | 231

The Israelis are bombing Palmyra?
Posted by: Jane | Oct 5 2024 0:11 utc | 227

It is an area near Palmyra airport not the archeological sites.

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 5 2024 0:21 utc | 232

HERMIUS | Oct 5 2024 0:17 utc | 230–
Al-Ciada and the Zionists are one and the same along with ISIS–all one big club. Zionists may hate Arabs, but they love Arabs that kill Arabs, same with the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 5 2024 0:21 utc | 233

@ Arch Bungle | Oct 4 2024 22:06 utc | 193
This is magnificent, Arch. My compliments!

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2024 0:21 utc | 234

I cut them some slack, they are righteous enough, they are talking to an American audience, trying to expand beyond preaching to the converted, steering from darkness to light. If they don’t bend, contort a little, they break, you have to allow for that.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 4 2024 21:47 utc | 179
They haven’t seen the light, so how do they steer anyone toward it? “Limited Hangout” covers most of what they say, and “Exculpatory Narratives” most of the rest. If they are indeed pandering to their audience, what can we surmise of their real ideas? They’re not revolutionaries, that’s for sure. There is absolutely no sign that they are, in their heart of hearts, so much as contemplating overthrowing the US government, expropriating the big bourgeoisie and nationalizing the key industries, including the banks. And short of that, what ‘light’ do YOU see to steer toward?
The Ex- Brigade are either self-aware sheepdogs working for some faction of the PTB, or they simply aren’t aware that they are sheepdogs. Either way, they are sheepdogs. You’re free to decide what kind of sheepdogs they are on a case by case basis.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 5 2024 0:22 utc | 235

Posted by: Lukacs | Oct 5 2024 0:13 utc | 229
That’s why I asked what would their response be. I’m just saying have the US thought it through about what they are going to hit. You know how they can make a mess of things. Either way Iran will have to respond.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 5 2024 0:24 utc | 236

Marxism, much like capitalism, is anti-humanist. I am a Humanist and have been so since early childhood, some 6 decades ago. That you continue to project your erroneous and distorted opinions are further confirmation of your very limited understanding of humanity, but go ahead, keep beating your Marxist tomtom.
Posted by: majoab | Oct 4 2024 22:12 utc | 198
I don’t like to wade into message board wars, but you should really refrain from commenting about something if you don’t know anything about it. Marxism is much like Christianity and many other religious faiths, in the sense that there are many different interpretations and sects and perspectives. Most people in the US at least rely on people who have never read Marx to explain Marx to them, and what results is a mishmash with very little resemblance to Marxism, or even socialism in general–the common understanding that Marxism means “the government does everything,” for example, which would surely upset poor Karl, who hated the State with every fiber of his being. If you’re really interested in the relationship between Marxism and “humanism,” take a look at Andrew Kliman’s site. His group is one of several groups of ” Marxist Humanists” in the world today.

Posted by: Lukacs | Oct 5 2024 0:26 utc | 237

It is an area near Palmyra airport not the archeological sites.
Posted by: Framarz | Oct 5 2024 0:21 utc | 233
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FWIW our ISIS buddies already destroyed Palmyra to the point where no two bricks were still attached to each other. I know that the Syrian government (with Russian help? — that wouldn’t surprise me) has been busy with restoration work, but I don’t know how far that work has progressed.
(Destroy the Buddhas of Bamiyan? Outrage and crime against world culture! Destroy Palmyra? (*crickets*)

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2024 0:26 utc | 238

Imagine posing as an intellectual online and not knowing the difference between a worldview and a weltanschauung. 😂😂😂
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 4 2024 21:35 utc | 171
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Weltanschauung
“a comprehensive conception or apprehension of the world especially from a specific standpoint : worldview”

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 5 2024 0:29 utc | 239

Just the choice of phrase ‘decapitation’ shows what’s wrong with Washington’s thinking. You see the same metaphor applied to the Ukraine conflict as well. It’s top-down thinking; that conceives of authority driving a following rather than a bottom-up model where head responds to body, coordinates and enables. It’s fascism versus socialism basically. It never gets to the heart of the problem, merely delays it.
Notice Russia (although hardly socialist anymore) takes the opposite approach. It’s not interested in eliminating leaders, just whittling away at their following. Hence their battlefield tactics are usually about isolating salients and patiently reducing them. It’s more a matter of slowly constraining heads, confining wiggle room.
Ignatius’ self-serving rationale in Lebanon merely justifies further imperialism. But plainly Hezbollah and Hamas are flexible in terms of leadership – have had to be – the structure is more cellular, multi-directional. ‘Decapitation’ didn’t work in Afghanistan, didn’t work in Iraq or Syria. There’s a name for people that can’t or won’t learn from experience.

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Oct 5 2024 0:31 utc | 240

Posted by: Lukacs | Oct 5 2024 0:13 utc | 229
There is something about Pezeshkian. He just doesn’t feel right. I can’t put my finger on it but too many people have died for him to get where he is. Way too many security lapses in such a short space of time. Is Iran heavily infiltrated by Western intelligence ?
Time will tell.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 5 2024 0:37 utc | 241

Interesting developments in the United States (not that these sort of things have a track record of going anywhere)…
ProPublica two weeks ago published detailed article covering specific advice to State Department regarding legality of arms shipments to Israel. Tony Blinken was specifically identified as bypassing the information.
Today, the New York Times published an article describing direct warnings within federal bureaucracy regarding Israeli violation of international law dating back to last October. Brett McGurk was specifically identified as disregarding the information.
Yesterday an open letter from healthcare workers with experience in Gaza was published, with claims that the true death toll numbers around 118,000. This was a strong document which could be influential. (https://news.antiwar.com/2024/10/03/american-healthcare-workers-who-volunteered-in-gaza-say-over-118000-have-been-killed/)

Posted by: jayc | Oct 5 2024 0:42 utc | 242


Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma
“There is no incident inside Kiryat Shmona. All the exchange of fire, clashes and explosions are taking place inside the Lebanese border, with an Israeli attempt to advance. There are injuries and the transfer of wounded soldiers from inside the border.
The incident was a direct clash with an Israeli military force that penetrated Adaisseh twice and was forced to retreat.
The news circulated by activists in Palestine and Lebanon about helicopters being shot down and resistance landing operations in the settlements of Kiryat Shmona is false and has no basis in reality.”
Bombings in Beirut , Tripoli and elsewhere.
@208 I am sure that if you did know what occured on that night you would make it known.
In the meantime:
Gaza News Now
“Trump:
Because of Biden’s policy, we are on the brink of a third world war
Iran’s nuclear facilities must be bombed, they are the biggest threat we face”

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 5 2024 0:48 utc | 243

FYI:
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/10/04/734563/Bahraini-police-clash-with-protesters-rallying-in-support-of-Gaza,-Lebanon
“Bahraini police clash with protesters rallying in support of Gaza, Lebanon
Friday, 04 October 2024 10:58 PM [ Last Update: Friday, 04 October 2024 11:03 PM ]”
“Bahraini security forces have fired tear gas to disperse protests held in solidarity with the people of Gaza and Lebanon, amid an ongoing Israeli onslaught, there.
The protesters rallied after Friday prayers in a village in northwestern Bahrain.
They chanted anti-Israeli slogans in support of the Palestinians and the Lebanese.
The protesters also chanted: “We are at your service, oh Nasrallah!”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 5 2024 0:50 utc | 244

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 5 2024 0:29 utc | 240
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A Weltanschauung is a complete system where there are no contradictions, proceeding from a central premise. Religions are Weltanschauung because they have origin, purpose, and afterlife, and they are the same answers regardless of the location, population, or time period.
Zionism is a worldview. Zionism doesn’t claim to answer all questions of existence for all people.
Islam is a Weltanschauung.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 0:57 utc | 245

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 4 2024 22:30 utc | 203
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Watching the Hudson-Wolff-Dima podcast now.
Wow. Truth bombs. Michael Hudson is a national treasure.
He was there are The Creation of this monster.
I remember Henry “Scoop” Jackson but didn’t know all of these details, of course. How the Neocons got their start under Jackson.
He was enormously influential. One of the senators whose name was a household word
Jackson must have been a foe of JFK.
JFK wanted detente and peace for his and other people’s children.
Not perpetual war to control all of the earth’s resources and sock it to the Commies. JFK sought a modus vivendi with the Soviets.
I’ll be curious to read what Caitlin Johnstone has to say.
I don’t always agree with her . . .

Posted by: Jane | Oct 5 2024 1:16 utc | 246

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 5 2024 0:48 utc | 244
I have the impression that Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma, though Palestinian, is an Israeli stooge. His stories are always very pro-Israeli, like this one you cite. His video I checked out was the one of the supposed Israeli convoy of trucks which had crossed Arabia bringing Gulf-landed imports to the Holy Land. I’m pretty convinced it was an Israeli fake. The video was not taken where it was claimed to be; the terrain was wrong. Just an anonymous unmarked convoy, could be anywhere (there are many border crossings in the ME where a trucker can wait for days or weeks to cross.). Really doubtful was that a couple of trucks were carrying building materials, prefabricated panels for rapid construction. I can’t see Israel importing such low value items in a highly delicate cross-peninsula transit. of course such an exploit, even if it happened would be unrepeatable, once all the jihadis, worked up by the Israeli atrocities, caught wind of the practice.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 5 2024 1:25 utc | 247

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 0:57 utc | 246
OT, but that seems to be your idiosyncratic distinction between the words weltanschaaung and worldview, since the latter purports to be a direct English translation of the German word, arguably with origins in Kant and further articulated by Jaspers and Dilthey and some of the phenomenologists. In general, a sole central premise is not required, but rather an interlocking, holistic set of beliefs that purport to provide a complete system, often but not exclusively of values.
Actually there’s a nice discussion here, but rather OT:
https://direct.mit.edu/ngtn/article/38/3/397/121232/What-is-a-Worldview-Some-Suggestions-from-the
Maybe take it to the open thread?

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 1:39 utc | 248

Megatron
@Megatron_ron
NEW:
🇮🇱🇮🇪 Ireland has refused to withdraw its peacekeepers from the Lebanese border at Israel’s request
https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1842284890974257638
Israel Defense Forces tells Ireland and Unifil to remove peacekeepers from Lebanese border outpost
Request rejected on day when 24 Irish citizens managed to leave country with Dutch and Canadian assistance
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has told Ireland to remove its peacekeepers from an outpost on the border with Lebanon as its invasion of the country continues.
Sources confirmed the request was made to the headquarters of the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (Unifil) and individual countries contributing troops, including Ireland. Israel has been told the troops will remain in place.
There is one Irish outpost on the Lebanese-Israeli border, which is known as the Blue Line. This outpost, designated post 6-52, is manned by a single Irish platoon who are responsible for observing the border and reporting on incursions.
The area was the scene of intense fighting between the IDF and the militant Lebanese group Hizbullah earlier in the week, during which Israel suffered heavy casualties. Some of the fighting took place less than 2km from the Irish outpost.
MORE…
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/10/04/irish-peacekeepers-lebanon-latest-israel-invasion/

Posted by: Menz | Oct 5 2024 1:40 utc | 249

‘Bodies shredded into pieces’: unprecedented Israeli airstrike in West Bank kills 20, including entire family
An Israeli airstrike on a residential building in Tulkarem killed 20 Palestinians in the first such attack in two decades. “We’ve been living through the occupation’s raids for more than a year now, but this was different,” says an eyewitness.

An Israeli airstrike on a residential building in Tulkarem killed 20 Palestinians in the first such attack in two decades. “We’ve been living through the occupation’s raids for more than a year now, but this was different,” says an eyewitness.
Israel killed 20 Palestinians in an airstrike on Tulkarem refugee camp in the northern West Bank late on Thursday, October 3, the Palestinian Health Ministry reported. Several children and an entire family were among the dead, as the strike targeted a three-floor residential building in the center of the camp.
The strike, conducted with an Israeli fighter jet using a heavy missile, was the first strike of its kind in over 20 years. The Israeli army and intelligence said in a joint statement that the strike targeted Zahi Oufi, described as a local “Hamas commander” who was killed in the strike. Residents in Tulkarem told Mondoweiss that the targeted location was a local cafe full of civilians, where Oufi was at the time. The cafe was on the ground floor of a residential building that housed several civilian apartments in the overcrowded refugee camp.
MORE…
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/10/bodies-shredded-into-pieces-unprecedented-israeli-airstrike-in-west-bank-kills-20-including-entire-family/

Posted by: Menz | Oct 5 2024 1:43 utc | 250

I only disagree with the “national treasury” analogy because it appears, only appears now, that something beyond “nations” is on the horizon. But a start… at the very least, is a reversal back to national currencies, or even national interest, and even that little change is causing the “military force” reaction we’ve been seeing for the last 25 years for obedience & subjugation to new West dominated (again) system.
Trubind1 131
Thanks for the reply I appreciate that.
Part of what I said was that nation states no longer exist because a nation state is defined by two things: sovereign borders and an independent treasury in charge of a sovereign currency. There is no argument that can refute that simple fact; therefore nation states no longer exist as such because all former nations had their currencies privatized. How does that effect how we view current events in a world where money equals power?

Posted by: reante | Oct 5 2024 1:44 utc | 251

العمشيتي
@lebanesedawg
Israel called the Lebanese Civil Defense and firefighters in Beirut and warned them against going to the site of the strike to extract survivors and help the wounded tonight or tomorrow or else they will be struck. What kind of evil is this?
https://x.com/lebanesedawg/status/1841977662819950686

Posted by: Menz | Oct 5 2024 1:45 utc | 252

Stuart Newman
@sanewman1
Senator Blackburn, if you define people defending their country against a foreign invader as “terrorists,” you should consider that you are using an ethnically based, even racist, framing of this concept.
https://x.com/sanewman1/status/1842334843146813612

Posted by: Menz | Oct 5 2024 1:46 utc | 253

Posted by: Jane | Oct 5 2024 1:16 utc | 247
I, on the other hand, was less impressed by the Hudson-Wolff-Dima podcast. It was very American centred, and they didn’t seem to know much about the ME outside of Israel. I didn’t go along with the theory that long-term US policy was to control the oil. We discovered in Iraq that it couldn’t be done. Getting the oil-fields was a major part of Bush’s motivation, but it didn’t work out. Iraqi oil-fields today are not owned or operated by American companies. I remember getting on a plane in Basra about five years ago, full of oil-people flying out. There was not a single American among them. The oil-fields in Syria are not going that well for the US, beyond preventing ordinary Syrians from having enough oil or gas.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 5 2024 1:46 utc | 254

A demonstration of US warped thinking:
Megatron
@Megatron_ron
NEW:
Lindsey Graham said that he prefers to help Israel instead to the hurricane victims in South Carolina:
“I’ve been going all over South Carolina, like most people I haven’t slept much. But look what’s going on in Israel. We have to help our friends to keep the war over there from coming here.”
https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1842077799881797829

Posted by: Menz | Oct 5 2024 1:49 utc | 255

Sun of Alabama, may be Sun of 27.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2024 1:53 utc | 256

“I’ve been going all over South Carolina, like most people I haven’t slept much. But look what’s going on in Israel. We have to help our friends to keep the war over there from coming here.”
https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1842077799881797829
Posted by: Menz | Oct 5 2024 1:49 utc | 256
If the US bombs Iran or lets Izrael throw nukes around, the war will come here in about an hour.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 5 2024 1:54 utc | 257

Warfare Analysis
@warfareanalysis
Reuters: a manager of a shipping company received an email from Yemen that says:
“Your ships breached the decision of Yemen Armed Forces by docking at occupied Palestine port. Therefore, punishments will be imposed on all vessels of your company… Best Regards (my bold), Yemen Navy.”
https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1841971039313498243

Posted by: Menz | Oct 5 2024 1:54 utc | 258

– not sure if this was already covered, but it reveals Iranian deterrence is effective.
Today, Iranian foreign minister visits Beirut ignoring calls of Israeli terrorists threats.
It seems inadvertently Iran is taunting and telling the Israeli terrorists to “bring it on!”.

Posted by: Mr.Ass | Oct 5 2024 1:57 utc | 259

Islam is a Weltanschauung.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 0:57 utc | 246
Maybe but that’s not what makes the resistance revolutionary. It’s the fact they are fighting Imperialism. Their religion is of no significance.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2024 1:57 utc | 260

internationally known PR Agent
Posted by: Framarz | Oct 4 2024 23:03 utc | 208
Thanks for lols. These PR Agents have their own support PR agents helpers that sell a handful (ok, two handfuls) of experts and geopolitical crystal ball gazers in various forums.
My sense of this (my dear son Faramarz 🙂 is the PR is Russian in origin. Two clear prongs of their program appear to be to propagate a sense of Russian superiority over the Asians, and to muddle the waters so that the (apparently quite deep) connections between Jews and Russia’s ruling class are obscured. Naturally those Iranians couldn’t possibly even take a piss without direction from the great formerly-European Russians :))
The only question is the matter of Khamenei having been a KGB asset before his entirely surprising pick by Rafsanjani to be a weak “supreme leader” remains connected to his ‘alma mater’ …
As for the substantial penetration of Hezbollah and IRGC, way back when they decided to go all in in Syria it was clear to me that they would be penetrated. That was the vector in for the entity’s intelligence via Russia (definitely) and Syria (quite likely). If I was running those shows, I would isolate all those who had deep contact with Russians and Syrians and phase them out (with some haste).
Khosh bash pesaram.

Posted by: Zāl | Oct 5 2024 2:00 utc | 261

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2024 1:57 utc | 261
It’s the fact they are fighting Imperialism. Their religion is of no significance.
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So only Marxists are entitled to fight imperialism? Insofar as they describe their religion as providing the fundamental basis for their resistance, how can it be of no significance? Or do you decide for them?

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 2:03 utc | 262

For the Humpty Dumptys in today’s thread:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/f8/84/77f88455f9258e1f5279c0e0877517df.jpg

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 5 2024 2:03 utc | 263

just a few from Caitlan J. from Down under
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1842352227249434883
Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz
This election cycle is mostly just Republicans and Democrats having a “who will give Israel more genocide weapons to start WW3” contest.
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1842337356378198087
Japan has sumo wrestling.
Scotland has caber tossing.
Israel has bombing hospitals.
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1842230200198897877
Nobody honestly still believes Israel kills all these women, children, journalists, medical staff and humanitarian aid workers by accident. You either know they do it on purpose and you say so, or you know they do it on purpose but never admit it, to protect a political agenda.
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1842024044344050127
The Western Media Helped Create These Horrors In The Middle East
Article with supporting links……

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2024 2:07 utc | 264

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2024 1:57 utc | 261
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I don’t think this is about “imperialism”. This is about survival. Whether it was America, China, Britain, or American pilgrims in the 17th century. People want to survive and live in peace.
Try to remember that the history of that region dwarfs the history of the West significantly. They have seen Crusades, they have seen Mongol invasions, and the Roman Empire, they have seen it all, long before Zionism and Coca-Cola came along.
In my observation, people tend not to take up arms and fight to the death for decades and through successive generations without a spiritual raison d’etre.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 2:11 utc | 265

Tichy, if you are a Marxist, then Marx must be a fool. He was not, you are. Do you have anything to say about the subject of this string?
Posted by: Ed | Oct 4 2024 23:40 utc | 216
While I went way off-topic (as did many others) I did contribute.
And when you’re finished watching and thinking about the incredibleness of what you just heard, watch the next to last, and so forth as the Hudson/Wolff/Nima series is unique.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 4 2024 22:30 utc | 203
Hudson was brutally taken to task by Johnstone over the Israel question and hasn’t managed or cared to provide any meaningful retort despite the article being one of the most noteworthy of the last year on Consortium News.
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/03/12/the-debate-over-israel-as-us-aircraft-carrier/
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 4 2024 22:55 utc | 207

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 2:20 utc | 266

Re: “How does that effect how we view current events in a world where money equals power?”
Posted by: reante | Oct 5 2024 1:44 utc | 252
You’ve answered your “evolution” theory.
That’s changing. The “financials” of creating wealth from a printing press instead of a water well and the value of the water well vs made up digits is beginning to make sense to nations, particularly when the debt and inflation is exported globally as global holder is Willy nilly making up digits.
There’s room for “treasuries” in nation states to be creative, and not necessarily rely solely on currencies to be independent & sovereign. There are examples of such nation states today, when kicked off “global currency” used their own assets & “currency” in very creative ways, maintaining their sovereignty & treasury.
The “barter” system is still alive and kicking. And about to evolve or be revised. “Central” banks only have the power given them by sovereigns. The future may hold “Central” banks being little more that glorified SWIFT transaction centers, as the IMF, World Bank either adjust to their decline in power, or risk getting tossed aside for more amiable institutions.
Ending 500 years of Colonialism, moving forward and evolving will include throwing off a good portion of current economic models. I’ve no idea what future generations will decide, only that it’s changing.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 5 2024 2:20 utc | 267

So only Marxists are entitled to fight imperialism?
Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 2:03 utc | 263
Amazing strawman, that.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 2:22 utc | 268

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 2:11 utc | 266
That all may be true, but the reason non Muslim give a shit is because the resistance is directly fighting Imperialism, the unique source of “evil” in this world.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2024 2:28 utc | 269

Piece from 2011 with rabbis calling for extermination camps for amaleks. Bibi gave a hat tip approval. But it all started on oct7 remember.
https://www.972mag.com/orthodox-publication-openly-calls-for-death-camps/
Another thing of note. My 3 Yr old swipes around “shorts” on you tube. I’m not religious but was shocked to see millions of views on one such short that has a usa AI voice talk about pooping on Jesus and then giving options for answers. Talmudists are working on the young with their filthy ideology in every way possible.

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 5 2024 2:28 utc | 270

Reuters is reporting
US military strikes 15 Houthi targets in Yemen
We will have to wait and see how effective they were.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 5 2024 2:31 utc | 271

#FCKBDN
Seriously.

Posted by: LanceThruster | Oct 5 2024 2:32 utc | 272

Honzo@154……he’s Malato, his Ma is white. So let’s say he was the first Malato President but he sure ain’t black. He’s has been groomed from a young age, that’s how it works. If you think some half breed black nobody from nowhere gets to be President…..and his boyfriend Big Mike gets to play first Lady…. really!
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 5 2024 2:33 utc | 273

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 2:22 utc | 269
Amazing strawman, that.

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 2:33 utc | 274

” Where are those SU 35 fighters that should be delivered to Iran?
For the rest of us, lets take a moment and think about who benefit from stopping the SU 35 deal. My 2 cents, Focus your support on the anti-imperialist camp and never trust imperialists!
Posted by: Framarz | Oct 4 2024 23:03 utc | 208 ”
You’re being too harsh sir. For instance, Iran is such great allies with Russia and China that it has to upgrade the M60 tanks in its arsenal, A tank designed in the 50’s ! Now Russia and China could have supplied Iran with newer tanks, maybe the T90 like Russia sold to India, but where would the fun be in that?

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 5 2024 2:34 utc | 275

Do tell…
Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 2:33 utc | 275
Listen, by the term “strawman” I meant I could not understand how you could possibly come to that conclusion from the thing that @Ahenobarbus said.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 2:37 utc | 277

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 5 2024 2:31 utc | 272
Re: US strikes on Houthis…
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Perhaps as effective as the Saudis over the years?

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 2:38 utc | 278

104 sun of alabama
Your analysis ignores the actual reality of threats to take offline other neighbourhood oil export and refining. That sudden stop to global supply most definitely will affect prices.

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 5 2024 2:40 utc | 279

also, there seem to be structural theories such as those of E.g. Andre Gunder Frank’s dependency theories that tried to elucidate how citizens of the core indeed might have benefited from peripheral exploitation in their development… he even used some Marxian concepts, I understand.
Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 2:33 utc | 275
The key terms are super-profits and labor aristocracy. No Marxist would argue that the “common people” of the West do not in some manner live off the blood of the poor countries. Here’s a reddit thingie full of quotes. https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/socwb/quotes_from_engels_lenin_mao_and_others_on_labor/
And now I immediately went off-topic again, sorry.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 2:43 utc | 280

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 5 2024 2:20 utc | 268
Central banks own the oil and gas companies, and the chemical companies, and almost all the food on the planet depends on the oil and gas and chemical companies. And every military on the planet is well aware of that and can do nothing about it because nationalizing those industries without the banking elites’ consent would result in total collapse of the civilization because of the level of complexity we’ve reached. We’re getting into systems theory.

Posted by: reante | Oct 5 2024 2:44 utc | 281

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 2:37 utc | 278
Listen, by the term “strawman” I meant I could not understand how you could possibly come to that conclusion from the thing that @Ahenobarbus said.

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 2:45 utc | 282

US military strikes 15 Houthi targets in Yemen
We will have to wait and see how effective they were.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 5 2024 2:31 utc | 272
I can’t imagine they’d be any more effective than they’ve been for the last 10 years.
The Empire has been doing this for going on a decade with pretty much zero effect.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 5 2024 2:47 utc | 283

psychohistorian@272….I think in the Ukraine, its called attrition by the Russians, that’s what the regs here call it, can’t see Yankee looking at it any differently in Yemen. Without some type of effective Air Defense the Axis of Resistance will always be at the mercy of USUK and Apartheid State bombers. None of which to date have been shot down, not in the quantity required to get their full attention. I suppose they could always outspend their tab, blow the bearings on the press….or run out of fossil fuel.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 5 2024 2:52 utc | 284

Tichy 207
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Diane Johnstone (earlier I thought Caitlin was referred to) was responding to an interview of Hudson’s with Ben Norton. The premises and conclusions of that interview might have been different from those in the Wolff-Hudson podcast linked by Karlof1.
Johnstone writes:
“Meanwhile, the U.S. Armed Forces are having difficulty in recruitment (although they may be counting on filling the ranks with some of the undocumented immigrants flooding across the southern borders). Bogged down in Ukraine, preparing for conflict with China, are U.S. leaders really eager to get into a major war with Iran? ”
To me here she shows that she has missed Hudson’s point: Current US policy was developed after the Korean and Vietnam conflicts and was/is predicated on the US public’s unwillingness to tolerate conscription or a war fought by US feet on the ground or US bodies coming back home in body bags. Hence Washington’s need to find an attack dog proxy in the ME.
I think Johnstone misses a few other points and riffs a lot on issues that are not germane to the more or less consensus reached by Wolff and Hudson as to what is driving, and constraining, US policy as it relates to Israel, West Asia, and the RoW at the present time.
I also don’t follow Johnstone’s ideas regarding oil.
Nuff said. Tired.
Generally I love Diane Johnstone, but having just spent 1.5 hours listening to Wolff and Hudson’s discussion, I think she has gotten off on a sidetrack. In fact, I must admit I am not sure what her point is. Perhaps another barfly can clarify for me.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 5 2024 2:56 utc | 285

Is that ALL non-muslims or what? Maybe he is referring to true Marxists such as you and he… so he is saying the reason real Marxists give a shit is that the resistance is directly fighting imperialism from their point of view?
Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 2:45 utc | 283
No, what he is saying is that for non-Muslims, the struggles of the Muslim world against imperialism is only relevant as far as it actually is a struggle against imperialism, not a struggle for, for example, Sharia law.
As a side note, it’s important for any honest people opposing the current system to understand which people to support. We need alliances on principle but we shouldn’t be afraid of entering them even with people with whom we might have many differences. The CPC excelled at this under Mao or perhaps more accurately under Zhou Enlai.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 2:57 utc | 286

Posted by: Jane | Oct 5 2024 2:56 utc | 286
The article is a follow-up to the earlier article she wrote with Briemont https://consortiumnews.com/sv/2024/03/06/the-myth-of-israel-as-us-aircraft-carrier-in-middle-east/
The point, or rather the question, of Johnstone’s writings on the topic is whether Israel actually is America’s “attack dog in the ME” or not, as in whether Israel does or does not serve US interests. I think her discussion, while not lacking flaws, is very pertinent.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 3:02 utc | 287

Obama went to Punahou.
That’s all one needs to know.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2024 3:09 utc | 288

Further @Jane
The onus is this line.

“Now we come to the current situation: what interest does the United States have in the slaughter being perpetrated in Gaza?
In reality, what Washington is doing is trying to maintain good relations with their Arab allies (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States) by pretending to seek a compromise while exerting no effective pressure on Israel – for instance, by cutting off funds.
And why don’t they? The answer is obvious but saying so is politically incorrect, and is rarely discussed by defenders of the myth, except to refute it. It is the action of the pro-Israeli lobby, which de facto controls Congress and without which no president can really act.”

And just look at how great things are going right now for the US with Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 3:12 utc | 289

Sun of Alabama, may be Sun of 27.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2024 1:53 utc | 257
Certainly not.

Posted by: sunof27 | Oct 5 2024 3:13 utc | 290

Dying for a Photo – Resistance Roundup – Day 364

(excerpt)….The story goes something like this. After repeatedly failing to penetrate the Lebanese border, due to stiff resistance, the Israeli army chose a different route.
Soldiers simply rushed into Lebanon, stopped only meters away from the border, took a photo at a border village and rushed back.
The price for this risky move, per a statement issued by a field officer in Hezbollah’s Operations Room, was the killing and wounding of at least 20 Israeli soldiers.
“To obtain these photos, which (Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin) Netanyahu desperately needed due to his political crisis, the price was more than 20 dead and wounded among the elite soldiers, something the Israeli military censor was forced to hide and cover up”.
Hezbollah also said that it had prevented advancements by Israeli troops from two different directions, towards the towns of Maroun Al-Ras and Yaroun.
“Upon reaching the pre-prepared ambush points, (..) the Islamic Resistance fighters detonated several explosive devices (..) and engaged in clashes with the elite officers and soldiers using light and medium weapons and rocket shells,” the officer said.
“The close-range clashes became point-blank range, resulting in several killed and wounded among the infiltrating force. Those not hit carried the dead or wounded and withdrew under artillery cover from positions inside the occupied lands,” the statement added.
Below are the latest statements by the Lebanese Resistance Movement Hezbollah.……

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/dying-for-a-photo-resistance-roundup-day-364/
Comment: Northern Front: exhausting list of strikes, firefights, etc. southern and Eastern fronts : radio silence
Merkava Tally plus 1 to 221 “destroyed” and approx. 652 “damaged/disabled”

Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2024 3:18 utc | 291

“…in the view of many Lebanese, “the single national institution that retains credibility and widespread popular endorsement is the Lebanese army.”
LMAO!!!!!!
These delusional Zionist psychopaths know NOTHING of what the Lebanese people want. While the country is somewhat divided, Hizbollah is a political party in Lebanon with members amongst its parliament. As Sharmine Narwani, Beirut journalist said recently, “KICK THE US OUT (of Lebanon) NOW”
Lebanon is captured by IMF loans due to a financial crisis a few years ago.
Still, the majority support Hezbollah, many are grieving the murder of Nasrallah and HATE THE ZIONAZI ENTITY EVEN MORE NOW.
The problem the US has and that will destroy the US itself is ZIONISM and the tiny hat billionaires who run the country and whose puppets do as they are told.

Posted by: Kay | Oct 5 2024 3:19 utc | 292

Thanks b, the stupidity does hurt.
I can’t help feeling that Hezbollah (take that darma) lost a fair amount of it heavier missiles or it would have been a more level playing field with strikes on Tel Aviv to counter strikes on Beirut.

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 5 2024 3:34 utc | 293

I have gone through this thread rather quickly after reading carefully b’s analysis above. Apologies for not remembering pages and dates, but the last link I went to was that posted by karlof1 of the Dialogue Works discussion yesterday between Michael Hudson and Richard Wolff which followed upon earlier ones in a similar vein.
One critique I will give is that in the recent bombardment of israeli military targets by Iran, the two in dialogue seemed to treat that occurrence as of less importance than has been discussed in other places on MoA. And they seemed to downgrade the damage inflicted saying that Iran had warned Israel well in advance, so that their planes were not damaged to the extent we were supposing them to be.
Of course, there is some recognition needed of the vulnerability now of sites such as this and those of others still available to ordinary citizens needing accurate assessments. We might expect our ‘airways’ to have become compromised in this respect, given that an election is close upon the US, whose two candidates may seem of one mind, but whose actual intentions each may be withholding for survival need. And this thread from b takes us further into such weeds.
I will give a link I found this morning – I cannot remember where. If it has already appeared here, my apologies.
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/10/04/general-qassem-soleimani-wins-israel-falls-into-the-trap-of-the-axis-of-resistance/
I will just say that this essay aligns with the Glenn Diesen conversation mentioned on the ‘neither Ukraine nor Palestine’ thread – my comments there do so also.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 5 2024 3:37 utc | 294

Posted by: Jane | Oct 5 2024 2:56 utc | 286
I think it’s Diana Johnstone, not Diane…
The whole thing seems a bit pointless to me… there are neocons, there are Zionists, and there’s and there’s an overlap… they share interests and act accordingly. The overlaps like Blinken go a bit further than your nonZio neocons, some who think he exceeds the remit by what they see as the ‘national interest”… that’s about it…

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 3:40 utc | 295

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 2:57 utc | 287
No, what he is saying is that for non-Muslims, the struggles of the Muslim world against imperialism is only relevant as far as it actually is a struggle against imperialism, not a struggle for, for example, Sharia law.
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Again, ALL non-Muslims seems implicit here… I think you should substitute ‘Real Marxists’ for ‘non-Muslims’, and you’re good to go… that way you don’t presumptuously speak for everyone else… the Sharia law thing is a total misdirect…

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 3:49 utc | 296

Suresh,
You might review the daily round- up I linked above. The Lebanese are using their weapons to neutralize military targets. You’d also note that the pace and scale of these strikes have increased dramatically since the Likud’s self destructive pager terror.
Do try to keep up.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2024 3:49 utc | 297

@Son of Alabama:
Very critical point you make. It is the US in control of all of this warmongering bullshit and ZIONISM as the ideology that drives both wars, as well as THEFT OF RESOURCES.
The US Zionists want to get their filthy hands on the DONBASS in Ukraine as it has 4.8 TRILLION worth of lithium and other precious metals.
And the M.E. is filled with oil and gas wealth, from off the coast of Gaza to off the Coast of Lebanon.
These ZIONIST billionaires bastards want to own all of it at the expense of ALL humanity, whether US citizens, Lebanese, Gazans or Iranians.
Interesting that the tiny hats also are the leaders of these entities doing US dirty work, from Zelensky, to Bibi Miliekowsky to the Jordanian King.
Keep in mind that the population in Egypt and Jordan HAVE HAD IT WITH THE ENTITY and there have been mass protests in these entities too.
How long until Arabs in the middle East, watching their brethren MURDERED at the hands of the Zionazi entity get TIRED of the betrayal of their ZIONIST “Arab” leaders?

Posted by: Kay | Oct 5 2024 3:57 utc | 298

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 3:49 utc | 297
I’m talking qui bono here. What Abe said was clear enough. I apologize if I spoke for him. Muslim struggle isn’t “revolutionary” unless directed against the bourgeoisie as it is the bourgeoisie that rules us. Some barbarians stoning little girls for being raped in Somalia, while despicable, isn’t material to that.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 4:13 utc | 299

Does anyone really believe that an operation to take over the Middle East is being run entirely out of Tel Aviv and the hapless U.S. is seeking peace? The destruction of the Palestinians may have been an internal Israel matter, but with the targeting of Iran and Lebanon it is just too big not to be a U. S. Operation. Israel is too small to pull this off and weak militarily to pull this off.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 5 2024 4:14 utc | 300