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October 31, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-262
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Thoughts? Posted by: Dogon Priest | Oct 31 2024 13:24 utc | 1 Dogon Priest @ 1 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 31 2024 13:50 utc | 3 oldhippie@3….isn’t Air Force One, the helicopter, a Sea King? Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 31 2024 13:54 utc | 4 oldhippie @ 3 Posted by: Dogon Priest | Oct 31 2024 13:56 utc | 5 Very good interview with french historian Emanuel Todd, his new book “Decline of the West” not published in the US. German edition “Der Westen im Niedergang”, Westend Verlag Posted by: Heraklit | Oct 31 2024 14:03 utc | 6 Old trash. Posted by: Mary | Oct 31 2024 14:10 utc | 7 The Chinese sanctions on Skydio are pretty important. Be interesting to see how Biden’s handlers react. Maybe Xi is planning, like Biden with the ruble, to turn the dollar into dolour. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 31 2024 14:13 utc | 8 oldhippie | Oct 31 2024 13:50 utc | 3 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 31 2024 14:19 utc | 9 I was reviewing my record of the PBS NewsHour broadcast from Feb 23, 2024. A minute or so in from the start is a 7 minute interview with Victoria Nuland, who, imho looks like something which was produced in a surgical laboratory on the Island Of Dr Moreau. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 31 2024 14:21 utc | 10 Posted by: Dogon Priest | Oct 31 2024 13:24 utc | 1
So, I don’t know how reliable of a source they are. And also, I gathered this information from some Wikipedia and online links, so I could be totally incorrect, but I don’t think I am. Posted by: lex talionis | Oct 31 2024 14:24 utc | 11 Nice! Posted by: Newbie | Oct 31 2024 14:33 utc | 12
Posted by: Newbie | Oct 31 2024 14:33 utc | 12 Posted by: 2TonCat | Oct 31 2024 14:43 utc | 13 The wicked triad (USAEUNATO) must be incredibly busy between trying to control “noncompliant” States like Hungary, Slovakia, China and the political oppositions of substance in all nations under their control. Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Oct 31 2024 14:51 utc | 14 Posted by: Heraklit | Oct 31 2024 14:03 utc | 6 Posted by: NoName | Oct 31 2024 14:52 utc | 15 Marat Khairullen at his VK begins his report thusly:
His report continues and has three excellent maps. Given the rate of combat and advance, the Ukies are reeling away from very significant weight. No sooner than they retreat to a new village they’re displaced to the next one. It’s important to note there’s a decent road network in the region that can be advanced along even in bad weather that has yet to appear, although it’s getting colder. I await so-called quiet portions of the LOC to awaken to the South of this main assault front. Posted by: 2TonCat | Oct 31 2024 14:43 utc | 13 Posted by: NoName | Oct 31 2024 15:18 utc | 17 c1ue left a response to me on the previous thread about the ukraine elite profiting off this mess in ukraine.. i am sure that is true, but i have mostly been focused on how the west is profiting from this thru the military, banking and energy complex… to give shape to this idea, is someone like poroshenko profiting off all this death and destruction in ukraine?? if not him – try naming some other ukraine oligarch who is profiting handsomely off all this?? kolomoyski?? Posted by: james | Oct 31 2024 15:22 utc | 18 @ 2TonCat | Oct 31 2024 14:43 utc | 13 Posted by: james | Oct 31 2024 15:24 utc | 19 @ karlof1 | Oct 31 2024 15:08 utc | 16 Posted by: james | Oct 31 2024 15:30 utc | 20 Old stuff if good can still be useful. Posted by: too scents | Oct 31 2024 15:46 utc | 21 Sliderule era designs tend to be able to endure more damage before failure than modern things. And they are easier to repair too. Posted by: Newbie | Oct 31 2024 15:57 utc | 22 Posted by: Dogon Priest | Oct 31 2024 13:56 utc | 5 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 31 2024 16:07 utc | 23 People were right about China supplying drones to Ukraine…
Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 31 2024 16:10 utc | 24
Ukraine is preparing attacks and has at least 60 tanks for that. Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 31 2024 16:12 utc | 25 this idea that orban is in bed with the zionists has been repeated a few times here at moa… does anyone have any substance to back it up?? it sounds like some memo ursala von leyen has fired off to take down orban… Posted by: NoName | Oct 31 2024 16:35 utc | 26 2TonCat | Oct 31 2024 14:43 utc | 13 Posted by: flying dutchman | Oct 31 2024 16:43 utc | 27 Kokhols are trying to attack Russia again ? The winter will be very cold in Banderistan this year. USA put nazi in the fridge figuratively , Russia will do it literally 🙂 Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 31 2024 16:45 utc | 28 Ukraine is preparing attacks and has at least 60 tanks for that. Posted by: vargas | Oct 31 2024 16:56 utc | 29 Ukraine is still very strong as the electrical grid still works. Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 31 2024 17:01 utc | 30 Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 31 2024 16:12 utc | 25 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 31 2024 17:05 utc | 31 Posted by: vargas | Oct 31 2024 16:56 utc | 29 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 31 2024 17:08 utc | 32 The electrical grid thing drives me crazy because we’re talking about legacy Soviet heating systems, which are natural-gas powered. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 31 2024 17:17 utc | 33 C’est une chanson pour les mecs. Posted by: Josef Schweik | Oct 31 2024 17:23 utc | 34 Ukraine is still very strong as the electrical grid still works. Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 31 2024 17:28 utc | 35 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 31 2024 17:17 utc | 33 Posted by: Mario | Oct 31 2024 17:28 utc | 36 Posted by: vargas | Oct 31 2024 16:56 utc | 29 Posted by: vargas | Oct 31 2024 17:37 utc | 37 US to Fund Drone-Bombing of Western Russia, the First $800M Already on the Way. Posted by: vargas | Oct 31 2024 17:45 utc | 38 vargas Posted by: dp | Oct 31 2024 18:08 utc | 39 Posted by: vargas | Oct 31 2024 17:37 utc | 37 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 31 2024 18:15 utc | 40 @ NoName | Oct 31 2024 16:35 utc | 26 Posted by: james | Oct 31 2024 18:19 utc | 42 Posted by: Mario | Oct 31 2024 17:28 utc | 36 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 31 2024 18:23 utc | 43 Ukraine is preparing attacks and has at least 60 tanks for that. Posted by: MAKK | Oct 31 2024 18:25 utc | 44 Lavrov hinted that Russia would have no problem going on with the SMO for 20 years, while wondering if the west could support it. Posted by: Naive | Oct 31 2024 18:33 utc | 45 Posted by: dp | Oct 31 2024 18:08 utc | 39 Posted by: Naive | Oct 31 2024 18:39 utc | 46 Ukraine is preparing attacks and has at least 60 tanks for that. Posted by: Naive | Oct 31 2024 18:41 utc | 47 https://t.me/CyberspecNews/66930
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 31 2024 19:47 utc | 48 https://t.me/RVvoenkor/79810 Posted by: guest | Oct 31 2024 19:53 utc | 49 Posted by: Naive | Oct 31 2024 18:41 utc | 47 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 31 2024 20:00 utc | 50
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 31 2024 20:05 utc | 51 vargas Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 31 2024 20:15 utc | 52 After watching SkrufyTales latest video, it becomes clear that Kursk is a different animal. Much of the area “claimed” as under control of one side or the other is really a gray zone, as it is open fields where any vehicle or even small groups of soldiers would be sitting ducks for FPV drones. There are “islands” of forested areas, much smaller than the open plains, where some soldiers could try to dig in and hide under the trees. Also, there are “windbreaks” which are simply narrow treelines meant to break the wind for the adjacent farmers fields. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 31 2024 20:33 utc | 53 How long until Rheinmetal plant is destroyed? Posted by: Oliver Krug | Oct 31 2024 20:33 utc | 54 Nice discussion by Big Serge at his Substack. Strategic Dissapation indeed. Posted by: frithguild | Oct 31 2024 20:36 utc | 55 Volunteer production of reactive armour kits for Russian armoured vehicles. At least pretend to understand what the implications of all this are and why I keep posting this sort of non-fictional information.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 31 2024 20:38 utc | 56 @51 Posted by: Drifter | Oct 31 2024 20:38 utc | 57 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 31 2024 18:23 utc | 43 Posted by: Mario | Oct 31 2024 20:47 utc | 58
https://ukranews.com/en/news/1044601-speed-of-advance-of-russian-troops-in-ukraine-increases-media Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 31 2024 21:19 utc | 60 The diminishing/diminished foliage and increasingly soft or muddy ground means all vehicles are more vulnerable to being seen from the air, and from having left tracks that can be followed to wherever they seek concealment. And if out in the open on muddy ground mobility and maneuverability is reduced. The larger the weight to track ratio, the more vulnerable to getting bogged down in mud a vehicle will find itself. Tanks from Britain and the USA will generally be at a comparative mobility disadvantage to their Russian Federation opposite numbers. Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 31 2024 21:27 utc | 61 I just read Big Serge’s new substack, and it was entertaining and I would say, correct. The incursion into Kursk only hastened Ukraine’s demise, and Ukraine is fighting the war expecting a Deus Ex Machina ending. Posted by: UWDude | Oct 31 2024 21:41 utc | 62 Russia is raising taxes due to war. Now that is important, because it essentially means that the tax increase does not benefit the economy, it brings no value back into the economy. The tax money will be spent on fueling war, not social services. Posted by: Richard K | Oct 31 2024 22:05 utc | 63 because wars are not profitable (shocker, I know). Posted by: UWDude | Oct 31 2024 22:13 utc | 64 Posted by: Richard K | Oct 31 2024 22:05 utc | 63 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 31 2024 22:23 utc | 65 My usual response to these kinds of posts: Now do Ukraine … Posted by: Naive | Oct 31 2024 22:34 utc | 66 Willy had some initial results on territory gained. Looks like Oct will be very similar to sep at about 470 kmsq. Maybe slightly higher, but very close. Will not hit the 600 or so needed to show constant acceleration. Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 31 2024 22:39 utc | 67 Deep state late today. Maybe hit a Haloween Party. Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 31 2024 22:40 utc | 68 Will not hit the 600 or so needed to show constant acceleration. Posted by: UWDude | Oct 31 2024 22:47 utc | 69 Good article by Big Serge on the failed Kursk operation. Posted by: Surferket | Oct 31 2024 22:50 utc | 70 It’s not new. I’ve discussed it before. And it’s not a be all end all either. Just is what it is. Reflects on the view that attrition is leading to crumbling defense. And the view that even if rate is slow. It is at least growing. Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 31 2024 23:05 utc | 71 @Richard K #63 Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 31 2024 23:20 utc | 72 Either way, Ukraine never had a chance. Posted by: Newbie | Oct 31 2024 23:30 utc | 73 Vargas? Posted by: kupkee | Oct 31 2024 23:32 utc | 74 Posted by: Surferket | Oct 31 2024 22:50 utc | 70 Posted by: Naive | Oct 31 2024 23:49 utc | 75 It’s not so much territory per se that matters, but the strategic and economic value of areas taken by the RF. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 31 2024 23:54 utc | 76 RF could, ceteris paribus, keep up, not the 20 years someone mentioned, but 80 years at this level. Posted by: Naive | Oct 31 2024 23:54 utc | 77 I’m reminded of another nation that went all-in on spending to win its war. That was the United States in WWII, fighting the Nazi 1.0 menace as well as the Imperial Army of Japan, and holy heck did it reap the economic benefits afterwards. Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 31 2024 23:55 utc | 78 @Richard K Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 31 2024 23:56 utc | 79 Yeah Ukraine never had a chance. That’s why Russia screwed up at Kiev, Kherson, and Kharkov. To handicap themselves. Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 1 2024 0:22 utc | 80 @ karlof1 | Oct 31 2024 15:08 utc | 16 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Nov 1 2024 0:40 utc | 81 20 Sept 2024 Posted by: Michael | Nov 1 2024 0:51 utc | 82 Michael | Nov 1 2024 0:51 utc | 82 Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Nov 1 2024 1:01 utc | 83 Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 1 2024 0:22 utc | 80 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 1 2024 1:02 utc | 84 Unfortunately only in German…With Lieutenant Colonel of the Reserve Rauschenberger, who was the longest serving Bundeswehr officer in Afghanistan. Posted by: Larsbo | Nov 1 2024 1:04 utc | 85
Some of us speculated loudly from the start Kursk was an invitation, one foolishly taken up by a credulous enemy, convinced of their own superiority. Of course, you couldn’t admit it politically, but effective it has truly been in smashing the remnants of the neonazi war machine. Many laughed at the suggestion. Seems less so now, eh? Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 1 2024 1:12 utc | 87 Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 31 2024 23:55 utc | 78 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 1 2024 1:42 utc | 88 Yeah Ukraine never had a chance. That’s why Russia screwed up at Kiev, Kherson, and Kharkov. To handicap themselves. Posted by: UWDude | Nov 1 2024 1:47 utc | 89
He keeps saying that he does not push only pro-Ukie drivel, but sometimes he can’t contain himself and the truth that he is a pro-Ukie troll becomes evident. Posted by: Rutte | Nov 1 2024 2:01 utc | 90 MoA fetishizes some vague abstraction of a Russian “victory” over Ukraine that will never be realized and was only ever motivated by their hatred of American imperialism. Struggling to see that Putin’s “limited military action” has decimated his country’s own economic, demographic, and military capacity for the next 20 years in a run up to the “real” conflict with China shows this board’s somewhat limited understanding of how warfare has changed since WW2. Russia will be occupying a hollowed out, economically useless Ukraine that will take decades to provide any real value…meanwhile it will also be decades of Iraq-style insurgency funded by NATO. Posted by: Raidicus | Nov 1 2024 2:12 utc | 91 Oh look, a new disruptive troll with a new handle. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 1 2024 2:26 utc | 92 Not collapse – obviously, but to a Russia so weak that their contributions to an inevitable future conflict with China will be limited and manageable. Putin’s bid to stay relevant and fulfill the promises of his multi-decade rule will make him and Russia irrelevant for the next 40-50 years. Posted by: UWDude | Nov 1 2024 2:27 utc | 93 value…meanwhile it will also be decades of Iraq-style insurgency funded by NATO. Posted by: UWDude | Nov 1 2024 2:35 utc | 94 DS Map update: Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 1 2024 3:40 utc | 95 More than a half of all the budget expenses are now connected to the war. Only the direct payments to contracted soldiers and compensations for wounds and deaths are now over RUB3trln per year, which is more than healthcare and education combined. Posted by: dmitry redkin | Nov 1 2024 4:06 utc | 96 “Voenkor (Yuri) Kotenok” (English ~ War Correspondent Kitten) https://t.me/s/voenkorKotenok is an interesting commentator. Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 1 2024 4:09 utc | 97 Ukraine is a very large country. Posted by: UWDude | Nov 1 2024 4:28 utc | 98 At this point you have to ask why they keep pushing this meme at Reuters main page
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 1 2024 5:18 utc | 99 Posted by: dmitry redkin | Nov 1 2024 4:06 utc | 96 Posted by: OnceWere | Nov 1 2024 5:45 utc | 100 |
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