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October 17, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-249

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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I am wondering what a president schould be called, who offers the people and the wealth of his land to other countries? If it’s madness it has method…

Posted by: Dors Venabili | Oct 17 2024 13:24 utc | 1

How will BlackRock and all the other financial sharks be able to recoup all the losses from their investments in Ukraine. I doubt they will suffer much and rather shift the loss burden upon other areas.

Posted by: Norwegian Pawn | Oct 17 2024 13:29 utc | 2

I doubt they will suffer much and rather shift the loss burden upon other areas.
Posted by: Norwegian Pawn | Oct 17 2024 13:29 utc | 2

It will be hard for BlackRock to outperform post BRICS as they then need to deliver a bigger slice from a smaller pie.
Expect spite.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 17 2024 13:35 utc | 3

1916 you’re full of shit. No major territory has been conceded by Russia since Kherson/Kharkiv and that was two years ago. Kursk is contested and shrinking 1/4th has already been recaptured.
Go play in freeway traffic.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 17 2024 13:48 utc | 4

“How will BlackRock and all the other financial sharks be able to recoup all the losses from their investments in Ukraine. I doubt they will suffer much and rather shift the loss burden upon other areas.”
Posted by: Norwegian Pawn | Oct 17 2024 13:29 utc | 2
I assume that Black Rock got assurances from the Empire that if Russia takes their ‘purchased land’ land they would be compensated.
One of the reasons the Empire doesn’t want to accept the reality on the ground

Posted by: canuck | Oct 17 2024 13:48 utc | 5

Can anyone critique the claims in this please?
https://open.substack.com/pub/kenklippenstein/p/ukraine-is-winning?r=1t9tp&utm_medium=ios

Posted by: Ally | Oct 17 2024 13:50 utc | 6

Using glide bombs for counter-battery strikes suggests rapid targeting.
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/14698

The British 105-mm howitzer L119 (or its American copy M119) destroyed in the Kursk region. Interestingly, it was destroyed by a gliding bomb from the UMPK. Footage from the enemy side.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 17 2024 14:05 utc | 7

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 17 2024 13:44 utc | 4
Unfortunately quite true.
But taboo to utter here …
Anyway, the aim is to get half a defeat rather than half a victory.
Partition and never ending conflict in Ukraine is intended by Moscow as well by Fashington.
The pincher needs two halves … Korean “solution” (not), valid for decades of military spending …

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 17 2024 14:08 utc | 8

A partition of Kiev would be wonderful news for Moscow under all but the grimmest circumstances. Russia is quite ready to rebuild its territory in the Ukraine, while NATO:
– EITHER has to repatriate refugees into a smaller area while rebuilding destroyed infrastructure and preparing for Russia to attack
– OR continue looting the country and use full-scale repression to prevent mutiny.
Putin has a chance to demonstrate that Russian administration is far better than Western disaster capitalism, and he’s eager to take it. Within reason, of course. The Stalinist types are eager to take the Navalny route to power of being the “iron man” of Russia, but they should first see how that worked out for Navalny.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 14:14 utc | 9

@ # 2
I’m pretty sure some of those billions that Biden has sent to Zelensky have been returned to the BlackRock Boyz and other Investment companies. However the list of Investors that will get screwed is long, so Russia will be the Bad Guys for a long time – but only in the West and their Matrix, – if you happen to be enslaved there, I’d try to escape.

Posted by: GMC | Oct 17 2024 14:18 utc | 10

“While promising to strike the “decision-making centers”, then never following up on that promise, which is not that hard to do because cargo cultists remember the promise and think it still holds while never bothering to notice the bluff has already been called…”
Posted by: 1917 | Oct 17 2024 13:51 utc | 8
Why bomb ‘decision making centers’ and possilby starting WW3 when you are WINNING!!!!
You redundant, pessimistic, myopic ‘song and dance’ is way, way out of tune

Posted by: canuck | Oct 17 2024 14:19 utc | 11

It will be hard for BlackRock to outperform post BRICS as they then need to deliver a bigger slice from a smaller pie.
Expect spite.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 17 2024 13:35 utc | 3
Would EU use the frozen Russian assets of 300Bln to compensate Blackrock?

Posted by: Angelo | Oct 17 2024 14:20 utc | 12

1917
if I’m not mistaken, those who you consider subnormal Russians eliminated approximately 24,000 Ukrainian Nazis plus an enormous number of tanks plus a few hundred armored vehicles, not taking into account the mercenaries, destroyed logistical bases in Sumy and surrounding areas where counting the bodies is impossible,
if this is a disgrace to the Russians you have a bad conception of reality.
try to get seen by a good guy and try the medicine that zalenski takes.

Posted by: A.cagliostro | Oct 17 2024 14:28 utc | 13

A partition of Ukraine would hardly be acceptable to the RF without Odessa thrown in the mix.
And how would RF guarantee that the non Russian region be NATO and EU free?
No, the only realistic solution is to collapse the entire Ukronazi state right up to the Polish border, and install a friendly, elected pro RF government.
Nothing else will work, because NATO can never be trusted to adhere to any agreement i.e.: see Minsk 1 and II.

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 17 2024 14:32 utc | 14

Can anyone critique the claims in this please?
https://open.substack.com/pub/kenklippenstein/p/ukraine-is-winning?r=1t9tp&utm_medium=ios
Posted by: Ally | Oct 17 2024 13:50 utc | 6
Not to be too pedantic, a medieval philosophy professor [41 years ago, things may have changed, editor] told me that, ‘critique’, is not a verb; it is, ‘criticize’ ; ‘critique’, is a noun.
Anyways, the article is very simple Bernays/Goebbels propaganda gibberish yet countless idiots (that are allowed to vote-democracy sucks when you have idiot voters) will believe it; the piece cannot be taken seriously, in my opinion

Posted by: canuck | Oct 17 2024 14:32 utc | 15

Can anyone critique the claims in this please?
https://open.substack.com/pub/kenklippenstein/p/ukraine-is-winning?r=1t9tp&utm_medium=ios
Posted by: Ally | Oct 17 2024 13:50 utc | 6
Ukraine is not militarily winning, but they can still “win” by boneheaded Russian policy decisions. If Ukraine offered a peace deal now that only agreed to let Russia keep Crimea and the Donbass, along with some paper security guarantees that could be discarded later, it would be ludicrous to describe that as a Russian victory. And yet it is sadly likely that Russian leaders would accept such a deal.

Posted by: catdog | Oct 17 2024 14:37 utc | 16

A partition of Ukraine would hardly be acceptable to the RF without Odessa thrown in the mix.
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 17 2024 14:32 utc | 15
This is a standard line for many, but right now Russia doesn’t even have Kherson. Years of warfare just for Odessa, well away from Donbass, aren’t appetizing even if Putin thought it was some kind of holy city. And they certainly won’t get it without total diplomatic surrender.
Russia doesn’t trust NATO at all, but it also doesn’t matter. Russia can withstand the low-level terrorism that NATOkraine is capable of implementing, while NATO is in no position to rebuild the parts of Ukraine which they would theoretically control.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 14:38 utc | 17

Would EU use the frozen Russian assets of 300Bln to compensate Blackrock?
Posted by: Angelo | Oct 17 2024 14:20 utc | 13

How many times can Russia’s “frozen” assets be rehypothecated? Post BRICS that trick doesn’t work so well.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 17 2024 14:46 utc | 18

Can anyone critique the claims in this please?
https://open.substack.com/pub/kenklippenstein/p/ukraine-is-winning?r=1t9tp&utm_medium=ios
Posted by: Ally | Oct 17 2024 13:50 utc | 6
A Substack from a Klippenstein can be dismissed without reading, for all the usual reasons. Nonetheless, delusional neocons actually believe Ukraine has fewer casualties than Russia and than Putin needs “foreign fighters” to expand his army. It’s pure hasbara, and as an indicator of the Ukrainian negotiating position it’s a sign that Russia is in no danger of accepting unreasonable offers.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 14:47 utc | 19

How will BlackRock and all the other financial sharks be able to recoup all the losses from their investments in Ukraine. I doubt they will suffer much and rather shift the loss burden upon other areas.
Posted by: Norwegian Pawn | Oct 17 2024 13:29 utc | 2
I disagree … they will suffer. When you invest your money there’s always a risk your going to lose it. Blackrock invested in a country at war … that’s never a safe bet. They believed their own bullshit that Russia was weak and could be easily defeated by western sanctions and military support of Ukraine. Just last year we were hearing statements like “NATO cannot lose Ukraine” coming from the likes of jens Stoltenberg yet here we are today with Ukraine on the edge of implosion and military defeat.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Oct 17 2024 14:49 utc | 20

@# 4,
Go tell it to the Kremlin you fucking weasel. Your obsession with Putin is a sickness, not a quality.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 17 2024 14:55 utc | 21

canuck@12…..tis actually a Russian song and dance, sung loud and clear, from the start of the SMO unfortunately the RF are still trying to chart it out…
Cheers M
……in fact that right there is a sign of fear not prudence, see: exploding pagers. Some people get it, and don’t give a flying fuck what others think, see: assassinated Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Lebanese, Yemeni officials. Lots of lessons to learn.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 17 2024 14:56 utc | 22

They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 14:38 utc | 18
“Years of warfare just for Odessa, well away from Donbass, aren’t appetizing even if Putin thought it was some kind of holy city. And they certainly won’t get it without total diplomatic surrender.”
Churchill on WWI
“During that war we repeatedly asked ourselves the question, “How are we going to win?” and no one was able ever to answer it with much precision, until at the end, quite suddenly, quite unexpectedly, our terrible foe collapsed before us.”
Ukraine – it must be said massively aided by NATO intel and weaponry – have done very well (or appallingly if preserving Ukraine as a going concern was the aim), but if a thing can’t go on forever, it won’t.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 17 2024 14:57 utc | 23

They call me mister@1438
A lot of irrelevancy in this posting. Russia holds the Aces and most of the face cards. There will be NO negotiations. The RU will dictate surrender terms. The Ukie army is fading away as even their elite forces still surviving in the Kursk Salient are surrendering in larger numbers, by the day.
Terms will logically propound that Odessa and the entire Black Sea littoral will be retained on behalf of their ethnic Russian majority population. Ditto Kherson and Kharkov.
A NovoUkrainia rump state will be allowed in regions west of the Dnieper which have a majority of Ukrainian dialect Russian language status. Far western “Ukraine”, primarily the heavily westernized and Romanist Galicia will become a pariah statelet and thoroughly disarmed, while being afforded Russian protection from Polish invasions.
Such is the logic of the situation. Russians are not fools.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 17 2024 14:57 utc | 24

Can anyone critique the claims in this please?
https://open.substack.com/pub/kenklippenstein/p/ukraine-is-winning?r=1t9tp&utm_medium=ios
Yes it’s the usual MSM blather, with the author repeating attrition claims from the Pentagon, which repeats the claims from the Ukrainian propaganda mill. If you REALLY want to see a critique, just read the comments made on the article, many of which are scathing in their rebuke. Basically, the author is full of it, and the commenters let him have it.

Posted by: Mike R | Oct 17 2024 14:59 utc | 25

pussymutt@1437
Ludicrous on the face of it. Russia is in the catbird seat and will call the terms of surrender. The U$$A created Maidan coup regime in Kiev will be totally demolished.
Perhaps you should switch smokes to something greener and cleaner. The chemicalized stuff is brain-poison.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 17 2024 15:01 utc | 26

Ukraine is not militarily winning, but they can still “win” by boneheaded Russian policy decisions. If Ukraine offered a peace deal now that only agreed to let Russia keep Crimea and the Donbass, along with some paper security guarantees that could be discarded later, it would be ludicrous to describe that as a Russian victory. And yet it is sadly likely that Russian leaders would accept such a deal.
Posted by: catdog | Oct 17 2024 14:37 utc | 17
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Well, Putin would perhaps agree to something like that?
But definitely not his general staff, and Putin has often been outvoted by this general staff, which would act much more offensively without Putin.
It remains to be seen whether Putin is already strong enough after many dismissals in the leadership to prevail, but he also knows that his people would NOT accept a victory that is NOT a victory, and whether the West believes it or not, even Putin can lose elections.
A Medewiew and a Rossin are just waiting for him to fall, in both cases it would be a rude awakening for the West and the USA when it comes to red lines.

Posted by: ossi | Oct 17 2024 15:02 utc | 27

Lots of lessons to learn.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 17 2024 14:56 utc | 24

You will doubtlessly remain remedial.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 17 2024 15:03 utc | 28

“Trust me”. Translates directly to “Fuck you” in Yiddish, ‘Merican, and Youropean.
Russia did trust, supposedly even verified, but their “partners” just can’t help themselves, can’t keep their word, for their very nature is deceit and perfidy.
Ultimately the Financialized West has leveraged/inflate itself to the highest level of Delusion. Even Spain, engorged in stolen Gold and Silver lost to countries that had enterprise, not Tokenism.
IMO, Russia has more than enough resources, and a history of persistence when faced with cold reality, while the West of a collection of Thieves, always at the ready to cut each other’s throats.
Six-to-Twelve months of planning and logistics to get ready to crush Iraq. But Russia is not going to sit still while NATO/District of Dual Citizens build new weapons factories for Nouveau D-Day.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 17 2024 15:04 utc | 29

Angelo@1420
Blackrock needs to be totally demolished. Actual owners of that arrangement are never identified. Most probably they are the usual $uspect$…the Rottenchild and Rottenfeller Crime Clans being more equal than the other major investors.
Those crime clans too, must be fully exposed and peremptorily dealt with. As current rulers of the Collective Wa$te, they are a curse upon the human race and have been over centuries been responsible for literally hundreds of millions, if not billions of deaths.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 17 2024 15:06 utc | 30

miker@1459
Is Klippenstein an actual Germanic name? If not, then he is evidentially part of the problem rather than of the solution. I would tend to think that thinkers such as the Mate’s, father and son, along with Max Blumenthal and Ilan Pappe’ would quietly agree with this assessment.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 17 2024 15:09 utc | 31

Blackrock is not as great as it seems . They lost $ 1.7 TRILLION in 2022 . In 2024 they are just about even ,
https://www.investing.com/news/cryptocurrency-news/the-worlds-largest-asset-manager-blackrock-lost-17-trillion-in-first-six-months-of-2022-2850810

Posted by: hole in head | Oct 17 2024 15:12 utc | 32

Posted by: ossi | Oct 17 2024 15:02 utc | 29
Interesting. You say the general staff wishes to act more offensively than Putin. Do you think it is Putin’s command to stop the Kursk liberation at the border, rather than attack into Sumy, as 1917 mentions? Is Putin responsible for the slow pace of Russian advances, or is that the reality of the war? In other words is Russia theoretically capable of making more rapid gains if only there was a change in policy?

Posted by: catdog | Oct 17 2024 15:13 utc | 33

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 14:38 utc | 18
It wouldn’t take additional “years of warfare” to take Odessa. Once the 404 army crumbles, it will crumble everywhere. Sure, there may be the odd dozen or so Nazis here and there who will fight till they are killed, but in general, the Great God Pan will rule the land, and every Ukrainian ex-soldier will just want to get home again in one piece.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Oct 17 2024 15:26 utc | 34

Posted by: catdog | Oct 17 2024 15:13 utc | 35
Like all NATO spoofers, you pretend to assume that taking land is the point. No, the point is to reduce the 404 army to fragments which can no longer resist. Then as much land as is desirable in order to obtain the stated Russian aims (de-nazification, disarmament and neutrality)can be had for no effort.
PS – Is that you, ‘1917’?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Oct 17 2024 15:30 utc | 35

catdog | Oct 17 2024 15:13 utc | 35
“Is Putin responsible for the slow pace of Russian advances?”
If the military had their way Russia would be in Transnistria by now, Putin is hopeless, must be replaced … he should have nuked London and the Baltics two years ago …. what?? Sorry, I just came over all Shadowbanned …

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 17 2024 15:32 utc | 36

@ Posted by: catdog | Oct 17 2024 14:37 utc | 17

And yet it is sadly likely that Russian leaders would accept such a deal.

If by “likely”, you mean “literally impossible”, then you are correct.
The propagandists (especially those pretending to be patriots) and jaded alike cling to the idea that Russian Federation government will somehow betray everyone. It is transparent by the way it ignores domestic political and economic realities together with, well, the law.

Posted by: boneless | Oct 17 2024 15:40 utc | 37

6 critique Ken Klippenstein piece?
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Here is a partial bio for the author:
“Ken Klippenstein (born February 1, 1988) is an American journalist who worked at The Intercept. Prior to joining The Intercept, Klippenstein was the D.C. Correspondent at The Nation, and previously was a senior investigative reporter for the online news program The Young Turks.His work has also appeared in The Daily Beast, Salon, and other publications.”
What more would anyone expect from someone who is associated with the Intercept, TYT, Daily Beast, Salon? The intercept is kept the much ridiculed James Risen on board simply to turn out endless Russiagate pieces. I read the piece and initially thought the author was another guy with the initials KK who would know better, but this guy is just a hack IMHO

Posted by: nazcalito | Oct 17 2024 15:43 utc | 38

Appears that Ukraine is looking to build a nuclear weapon again:
Ukraine claims it could have nuclear weapons within weeks – Bild

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 17 2024 15:59 utc | 39

Interesting. You say the general staff wishes to act more offensively than Putin. Do you think it is Putin’s command to stop the Kursk liberation at the border, rather than attack into Sumy, as 1917 mentions? Is Putin responsible for the slow pace of Russian advances, or is that the reality of the war? In other words is Russia theoretically capable of making more rapid gains if only there was a change in policy?
Posted by: catdog | Oct 17 2024 15:13 utc | 35
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Yes, of course Putin or the Russian army could act more quickly and more brutally.
The question is, does he/she want that?
Time is what is destroying the EU in the West, but that’s just by the way. SMO, why this term, even though internally everyone is talking about war. What would Putin or the DUMA be if it were to turn everything into war?
The regular Russian army could be deployed… until in the case of a conflict defined as war, EVERYONE who supports the other side… would AUTOMATICALLY be a war maker! And that would make all countries that supply weapons opponents of the war, i.e. participants, and thus their warehouses, factories, etc. targets!
So there is also a legal reason why SMO and NOT war, at least on state papers, in popular parlance it makes no difference whether it is war or SMO and in Russia it is also known as war among the people.
The official definition as war would also mean that ALL of Russia’s allies were at war with them, e.g. now also North Korea and all CIS states. It would mean that Poland/Baltic states/Germany etc. AND the USA would be legendary targets!
So Putin already knew why SMO and not “war” according to international law.
As for the speed of the advance, time is Russia’s best weapon, which should be undisputed, the West is going bankrupt.
But the so-called red lines that the West is using to boil the frog, there have long been other opinions in the General Staff, and Putin is not all-powerful, as the changed nuclear rules show, which were probably ONLY changed due to pressure from within. Public opinion in Russia is being whipped up by hardliners who are demanding a deterrent for the West that even the dumbest Western strategist should understand.
My opinion on this, for example, is that Germany supplies Taurus, they find a target in Russia that hurts…then the production facilities in Germany are an open target.
Just one example…in this case it could also be the airfield in Poland or a US base?
But why SMO and not war… well, you should have recognized Putin’s behavior in the last two years…
Avoid the final consequence for as long as you can, and try to say from the beginning that YOU DON’T NEED TO REACT
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Just my analysis… but as far as the General Staff is concerned, based on statements from Russians via Skype.
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Posted by: ossi | Oct 17 2024 16:01 utc | 40

The Supreme Commander in Chief VV Putin is not in a rush by any means.
He knows the enemy [the US of A] is slowly destroying itself.

Posted by: AI | Oct 17 2024 16:04 utc | 41

So there’s one thing I’ve been meaning to add to one of these threads.
I have a theory that one of the reasons why there’s been so many nuke trolls – the people who think that x leader should “just” nuke y country and call it even, even though that would very well bring on WWIII and The End Of The World As We Know It, well you have to ask yourself what kind of person advocates for the literal end of civilization, their civilization, meaning they’d be killed as well.
They don’t, and it’s just low-hanging rage bait. Look at how much of internet traffic in general nowadays is designed to get you pissed off at stuff. Hell there’s whole “engagement farms” where people and/or bots go comment the most obscene shit possible just to get people to react with outrage and aggression, thereby generating more comments, likes…and engagement. And that’s what it made me think of here as well.
Nobody actually wants anyone to nuke anywhere. It’s just a great way to pull yall’s legs. I could comment that we should nuke somewhere right now and I promise you within five minutes I’d get someone very angrily telling me why that’s not going to happen and ten more people piling all sorts of piss and vinegar on top of that. But I wouldn’t care, it’s a great way to derail in the thread that’s still “on topic”, more or less. Same way with bringing up what would happen if wins/loses and how the next 20-50 replies will be about the US election.
Just me thinking out loud, though. Something to be mindful of.

Posted by: Stark | Oct 17 2024 16:04 utc | 42

Re Blackrock (and other) losses, this is (at least one) way I think it works. Someone borrows money to “invest” in a Ukrainian asset. The asset is lost but the debt remains. So someone has taken a loss. The debt was secured with the asset as collateral but now there is no security. However the lender can pretend that the loan is good and park with the Fed (or ANO CB) who will also pretend it is good and refinance to provide “liquidity”. So the lender is made good. Sort of, except there is a funding cost. And the borrower, well they can also pretend the asset is good, and so their loan is not in default. But it still needs repaying but there is no cash flow to do that. So a problem.
Except these are investment portfolios so they can refinance other “assets” to create a free cash flow of funds. And together with real assets then enough cash is floating around to meet all loan repayments -even though the underlying asset base is flakey.
This is really a big ponzi but the end game is to privatise profits and pass losses onto the taxpayer/public – usually via QE or in other words inflation. This is a good thing for a borrower as they retain assets but their loans are reduced in real terms. And let us not forget that assets were purchased at discount prices – assisted by political pressure and captured politicians – funded by all the cash swilling around.
It is a messy business and if it was simple and straightforward, then the average Joe could see what was happening and be outraged. So at least at one level, it is kept opaque and complex. Bottom line is that Blackrock et al keep the profits, and losses are parked with the public.
Disclaimer. I have investments in various Blackrock funds. Some are doing great, others not. However in the end I am lending money to Blackrock to play these games. And other fund managers too. So maybe I will bear some losses in the end. But it may take a while for that information to filter through to the even more opaque accounting standards relating to all this and for those losses to be realised. Even though the Russian Army has taken physical occupation of my investment, doesn’t mean I have to take a loss. Right….

Posted by: marcjf | Oct 17 2024 16:05 utc | 43

@ marcjf | Oct 17 2024 16:05 utc | 45
sounds like the perfect set up for another crash and bail world event around all this…can’t let poor blackrock suffer now, can we??
when the west shakes off it’s loss of ukraine, it will be a real wake up call on the same gov’ts that were insistent on this nato-russia war.

Posted by: james | Oct 17 2024 16:13 utc | 44

@ Soviético | Oct 17 2024 14:02 utc | 7 Translated:

@7 (sb) I even read this article from your link. Waste of time.
I’m not going to waste my time again disputing a guy who compares Ukraine to North Vietnam…

@ Angelo | Oct 17 2024 14:39 utc | 19 – @ Soviético Translated:

Maybe you should translate your comment into English and then publish it.
Do all the readers here a favor. Sit down and have an espresso with a shot of annisete.
Thanks from Madeira.

@ They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 14:38 utc | 18
Outcome: Imposed Unconditional Surrender, no less.
@ Stark | Oct 17 2024 16:04 utc | 44
Quite so.
1917/SB/Catdog: Concise summation:

Nuke’em all from orbit! It’s the only way to be sure. Putin, Putin, Putin! BS

@ Greg Galloway | Oct 17 2024 14:08 utc | 9
Old, frayed, benched reserve sock ?
@ b
1917=shadowbanned, now!=catdog. Determined. 🙁

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 17 2024 16:19 utc | 45

@#44
Yes, yes, they are full of it.
We call them nuke trolls. They add nothing to the conversations.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 17 2024 16:24 utc | 46

Can anyone critique the claims in this please?
https://open.substack.com/pub/kenklippenstein/p/ukraine-is-winning?r=1t9tp&utm_medium=ios
Posted by: Ally | Oct 17 2024 13:50 utc | 6
Easy. Hasbara on msm koolaid laced with acid.

Posted by: Mary | Oct 17 2024 16:27 utc | 47

Kursk has become not one, but two large fire cauldrons, almost akin to two black holes, eating whole regiments of infantry and armor and demanding more every week.
This is not sustainable, and yet the Ukronazis continue to commit what little skilled reserves they have left, and basically untrained territorial units. Its really a tank/armored vehicle and infantry massacre, 1550 armored vehicles destroyed, 25 K infantry dead, 50 K wounded and maimed.
The entire front in the north is now a slomo collapse, with RF fighter-bombers, helos, drones and missiles having a hard time finding enough worthy targets!
An army without aircover and discipline is no more than a mob and at this point that is exactly what the Ukronazi army is……..the beginning of the end is here, and it started on Oct 1st and will end on or about 12/31/24! Bet on it…..
Then RF will dictate the terms……and Odessa will be Russian again…….NATO and the EU will on the outside looking forlornly out….not quite unstanding what truck just ran over their Ukronazi quislings……

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 17 2024 16:33 utc | 48

@ Ed | Oct 17 2024 16:24 utc | 46
looks like the numbers switched ed… maybe want to attach a name to the number for better reference..

Posted by: james | Oct 17 2024 16:36 utc | 49

reply to 6
Where’s Kursk? Is that too minor an issue when discussing attrition?
Where’s any discussion of the Ukraine economy, their spiraling debts and their potential loss of their steel industry? He says not to believe Zelensky’s begging for money while the EU/US props up their nation.
Where’s the discussion about the possible lowest birthrate on earth and highest death rate (CIA/Kyiv Post)? Or the discussion about the massive loss of children that left to avoid being killed? What other nation on earth has the extinction of its people as its primary goal (“to the last Ukrainian”)?
Where’s any discussion about Trump? He still could win and he has no enthusiasm for this war, nor does Vance.
How can we expect to believe the numbers he cites when Ukraine has little or no air cover, air defense, less artillery and shells, and dwindling armor? This triggers massive losses.
And finally, will he or Pentagon figures go to jail if they lie? Of course not. They can say whatever. In Russia, you might lose your job or fall out of a window. It’s called discipline.

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 17 2024 16:54 utc | 50

Would EU use the frozen Russian assets of 300Bln to compensate Blackrock?
Posted by: Angelo | Oct 17 2024 14:20 utc | 12
I am sure acquiring the Steppes, Odessa Port and the Nuclear power plant more than make up for 300 billion stolen by empire.

Posted by: ld | Oct 17 2024 16:57 utc | 51

Jams O’Connell @36
I agree. The Russian Federation does NOT have to invade and destroy Kherson, Nikolaev, Kharkiv or Odessa. No need to expend men and resources going after those cities when after the de-nazification and de-militarization of 404, the Russian folk in those cities will just go back to their centuries old culture, language and trade. There will be no one to oppose them, they’re Russian regions after all…
catdog@35
LOL. John Helmer’s essay from a few days ago and linked here yesterday explained in detail that Putin is definitely pussy-footing around because he has many issues and scenarios to juggle such as the Chabad AND the oligarchic issue which are huge as well as the domestic prosperity and economic health plan Putin is handling (very well actually). The General Staff (Stavka?) is chomping at the bit to be set loose to cause immense damage to 404 and the West’s assets.
There is NO doubt that the full extent of the powerful Russian army would finish the job in Ukraine and Syria within weeks if allowed. Bet on it!!

Posted by: bisfugged | Oct 17 2024 17:06 utc | 52

*** I was actually referencing catdog’s ridiculous comments at 33.

Posted by: bisfugged | Oct 17 2024 17:09 utc | 53

This is a comment from a SubStack by CheetosSpring, I’m reposting it with permission
It’s that good.
Pimping economic treasures,” as S coins it, has always been what Project Ukraine is about.
When Crimea held its March 2014 referendum & voted overwhelmingly to *return* to Russia, the r’ship between the U.S. Treasury, Congress & the International Monetary Fund intensified. Jack Lew, Obama’s Treasury Secretary, said, “The Ukraine crisis captures the importance of the IMF as an economic tool for American foreign policy when military options are not really viable.”
Note that last description: an economic tool for American foreign policy *when military options are not really viable*
Moreover, the IMF is “the first responder,” Lew said, “It is the foundation of the Ukraine aid package.” As early as 2010’s G-20 in Seoul, IMF cheerleaders Bigged Up the prospects of allying more tightly w/ the U.S. Treasury, but Obama’s White House @ the time balked.
“In a very important sense, linking the two is quite logical,” said a former Treasury official and senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics. “The fact that the United States wants to use the IMF to help Ukraine is linked to helping the IMF help itself.”
The selling point before Congress back in 2014 was the fact that “the cost to U.S. taxpayers will be relatively small when compared to the larger defense and foreign aid budgets.”
During a livestream this week w// the Duran gents, Alex Krainer [Naked Hedgie] reported that Christine Lagarde, then-IMF chief, and Jack Lew agreed @ the Fed’s Jackson Hole summit to green-light & support the militias that were seeking to liquidate the LPR & DPR in Donbas & the Russian-ethnic populations in Odessa.
Per Krainer: “Jack Lew spoke to Christine Lagarde & Lagarde gave the orders to the Ukrainian junta to take control of the Odessa area & the Donbas region, by force, in May 2014 or the IMF would no longer fund the government in Kiev.”
When Yemen rejected IMF funding in 2015, a coup ensued. Ditto in Bolivia in 2017. Next up was Bangladesh last August, who also spurned the IMF in favor of a NDB loan from the BRICS+ funding entity.
The IMF is the global banking cartel’s tip-of-the-spear—and the pact between Lew & Lagarde in 2014 cemented this. The foundational architecture of Project Ukraine was as much financial as it was militaristic. It is hard to say where Jack Lew is today, but we know where Christine Lagarde is: the former synchronized swimmer heads the European Commission’s Bank

Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 17 2024 17:09 utc | 54

threatens in Brussels: NATO accession or Ukraine will acquire nuclear weapons
At the EU summit in Brussels, Selensky threatened that NATO should either accept Ukraine or Ukraine will acquire nuclear weapons. The country has the means to do so.
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by Anti-Spiegel
October 17, 2024 5:42 p.m.
During Soviet times, Ukraine was an important location for Soviet nuclear weapons development and production. Even today, Ukraine, which operates several nuclear power plants, has the technical means to build nuclear weapons within a short period of time. On February 19, 2022, at the Munich Security Conference, Selensky threatened to arm Ukraine with nuclear weapons to the applause of Western political celebrities, which was one of the reasons why Russia intervened militarily just five days later.
After the West’s extremely negative reactions to his “victory plan”, Zelensky seems to have completely lost his mind, as he has now repeated his threat to arm Ukraine with nuclear weapons at the EU summit in Brussels.
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Quote:
“The West should not believe that Ukraine will accept a second Russian attack on Kiev. Before that, it will rebuild its nuclear arsenal, which it has voluntarily given up since the early 1990s. In 2001, Ukraine gave up its last nuclear weapon.
The official specializing in weapons procurement said in a closed meeting: “We have the material, we have the knowledge. If the order is given, we will only need a few weeks to have the first bomb.”
The West should “think less about Russia’s red lines and more about our red lines,” the official warned.”
I really wonder when the West will stop these lunatics in Kiev that it itself created.
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https://anti-spiegel.ru/2024/selensky-droht-in-bruessel-nato-beitritt-oder-die-ukraine-wird-sich-atomar-bewaffnen/

Posted by: ossi | Oct 17 2024 17:25 utc | 55

If a recently reinaugurated President Trump did call Putin and declare “enough is enough”, I could imagine Putin sounding placating but by the end of the call having Trump declare he was open to the idea of reducing sanctions, especially the ones that hurt the American economy, and returning to Russia its seized funds, especially if it was the European Union that had to eat the cost of that.
If the USA stopped being hostile to Russia, then Europe would have to read the room and either follow Trump’s lead or suffer the consequences.
With the Russian Federation occupying an important chunk of formerly Ukrainian territory, its economy supercharged by a reduction of sanctions and returned capital, and with Ukraine’s military and economy no longer substantially bankrolled by Uncle Sam and Germany, the situation of Ukraine vis-a-vis the Russian Federation should reach a rational stabilization. If Russia somehow either ended up with Odessa or had it cut off, than the hearts and minds within Kiev would have to adapt to the Russian Federation having it by the balls.
In my mind the question is whether or not the Russian Federation will have more or less occupied the territory it would need to have to feel secure by the time Trump started to sound insistent when on the phone. Trump knows about negotiating, and should know that appearing to have a win in negotiating with Russia would be a lot easier if he waited to “talk turkey” until the Russian Federation clearly had the upper hand.
Imo, Putin would be much more amenable to ceasing seizing Ukrainian territory once the Russiah Federation felt that, in conjunction with the right settlement, it had enough of a buffer zone that it couldn’t be easily threatened by a later resurgence of Ukrainian or Western belligerence.
Trump’s dealings with China could go smoother once Russia had returned to a non-war like state, and was once again more about peaceful trade than it was about military alliances.
And in exchange for “letting China be China”, I think Trump could find them willing to sign deals that would assist in keeping the American economy humming. Trump is all about making profit, and I think as long as other nations see themselves as being included in that, mutually beneficial arrangements with them can be much more easily arranged.
The MIC loses relevance when negotiations aren’t based on American intimidation, and so they prefer a President like Biden or Harris over a President like Trump. Trump can be a warmonger, and he is an Imperialist, but he’s basically a negotiator. Other politicians use negotiations as a fallback or an adjunct to getting what they want by way of military dominance.
If Trump can negotiate peaceful settlements and trade deals, it would be a big blow to the influence of the MIC, and they rather he doesn’t get the chance to try.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 17 2024 17:28 utc | 56

@ Chevrus | Oct 17 2024 17:09 utc | 54
Diaries of Economic Hitmen … just as it ever was …
See: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. 1st ed, 2004. (NOT 2nd/3rd ed. (Suborned)).
Cheers
@ ossi | Oct 17 2024 17:25 utc | 55

threatens in Brussels: NATO accession or Ukraine will acquire nuclear weapons
At the EU summit in Brussels, Selensky threatened that NATO should either accept Ukraine or Ukraine will acquire nuclear weapons. The country has the means to do so.

The Kiev Neo-Nazi OUN-B junta is cruising for a terminal bruising. Extinction via a ‘conventional’ combined Iskander/Kinzal/Zircon, multi-salvo barrage, targeting an identified/detected underground ‘Terrorist/War Criminals’, Communications, Command & Control facility.
Irrational echoes of insanity … darkly ironic.
See: ‘Downfall’, in ze bunker, April/May ’45 …

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 17 2024 17:38 utc | 57

I really wonder when the West will stop these lunatics in Kiev that it itself created.
Posted by: ossi | Oct 17 2024 17:25 utc | 55

Trust your lived experience about what the West will do. They haven’t changed.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 17 2024 17:40 utc | 58

Blackrock is not as great as it seems . They lost $ 1.7 TRILLION in 2022 . In 2024 they are just about even ,
https://www.investing.com/news/cryptocurrency-news/the-worlds-largest-asset-manager-blackrock-lost-17-trillion-in-first-six-months-of-2022-2850810
Posted by: hole in head | Oct 17 2024 15:12 utc | 32
Blackrock is just the biggest (in “assets”) of thousands of U.S. “Hedgefund” MANAGERS.
Blackrock “invests” little of none of its own money. Blackrock churns and skims other people’s money. They live from fees and percentage of profits on deals by swinging huge dollars around. The ELEPHANT in the market. But even elephants can be taken down.
The FICTION OF U.S. Invincibility is the Narrative that underpins the colossal mistake of Financializing the American Economy into the hollow shell of fake numbers that it is today.
Russia’s strategy, of playing the long game, invariably painted as weak, etc., by sideline mediocrities, is akin to a Siege, with Russia holding key resources, and the West standing on their walls, calling Russians childish names.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 17 2024 17:47 utc | 59

https://t.me/delyagin/33963

The recent meeting between Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin and Rector of Moscow State University named after M.V. Lomonosov Viktor Sadovnichy emphasizes the understanding by Mishustin’s government of the exceptional role of Moscow State University not only for Russian science and education, but also for the entire public life of the country. It also reflects the unique position of the patriarch of Russian higher education, who has headed the main educational institution of Russia for 32 years.
It should be noted that it is largely due to the efforts of Mishustin’s government that Moscow State University, the flagship of our country’s research activities, is currently experiencing a period of rapid, explosive expansion and development. The projects for “mastering” money advertised by liberals, which, with varying degrees of impudence and cynicism, exploited society’s dream of progress along the lines of Soviet civilization (like Chubais’s “Rosnano” and “Skolkovo”, which is now being transferred under the economic management of the Moscow authorities), have finally exposed their essence. On the receding waves of shameless hype, brainless propaganda, and sometimes outright theft, Moscow State University rises in the public consciousness as a true stronghold of genuine, honest progress and reason.
Even according to international rankings that are obviously detrimental to Russia, it is among the top hundred best universities in the world. The average competition (including by no means prestigious specialties) this year was 8 people per place. Of this year’s graduates, 30% completed their studies with honors, and in general, the criteria for admission and education are becoming more stringent – only 10 thousand first-year students came to replace 12 thousand graduates (including 3 thousand foreigners; their number is growing, since there are 14 thousand foreign students studying at Moscow State University).
The structure of the university is flexible and constantly evolving. Thus, the best place in Russia to study economics is the Moscow School of Economics of Moscow State University (MES).
Organic elements of the university are also specialized schools – the legendary boarding school named after A.N. Kolmogorov (“specialized educational and scientific center”), operating as a faculty, the MSU gymnasium and the First University Lyceum in Ust-Labinsk, created through the efforts and funds of a graduate of the Physics Department, Oleg Deripaska.
About 3 thousand students study in foreign branches of MSU (including a joint university with the Beijing Polytechnic Institute (University) in Shenzhen).
Although the management of MSU, in the spirit of the times, pays great attention to applied sciences (the creation of a medical faculty and winning a competition to create an advanced engineering school are by no means accidental), the priority, as befits a university, remains the study and development of fundamental sciences.
Representatives of MSU are deservedly proud of the development of new concepts for teaching basic fundamental sciences: mathematics, physics, chemistry and biology.
A mathematician by profession and vocation, Sadovnichy never tires of emphasizing the importance of mathematics (the basis of knowledge as such) for all areas of modern human activity. At a meeting with Prime Minister Mishustin, he especially noted that all technologically developed countries are raising the issue of the role of mathematics for education, the economy, and the level of development of the state as a whole.
Prime Minister Mishustin recalled that Mathematician’s Day in Russia was established precisely on the initiative of Rector Sadovnichy, and emphasized: “For some reason, it is now believed that mathematics… is needed for physicists, IT specialists, techies… It seems to me that… it [is needed] for people, for specialists in the sociological sciences, culture, and art.”
It remains to be hoped that the meeting between Prime Minister Mishustin and Rector Sadovnichy marks a new stage in the development of not only Moscow State University, which remains, despite the titanic efforts of liberal reformers, the flagship of modern education and a symbol of scientific integrity, but also of all higher education and the entire scientific sphere in Russia.
The rapid development of new territories of Moscow State University instills additional confidence in this.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 17 2024 17:48 utc | 60

This:
Posted by: 1917 | Oct 17 2024 13:44 utc | 4
was atomised, boom, reduced to few ashes.
Well done!!!

Posted by: Naive | Oct 17 2024 18:13 utc | 61

An army without aircover and discipline is no more than a mob and at this point that is exactly what the Ukronazi army is
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 17 2024 16:33 utc | 48
The zombie mob controlled by Nato is still much larger than the little smo which did not solve any problem, only to slowly turn Russia in third world country, getting the population slowly prepared to accept their new normal and the surrender they try to offer since Istanbul. The question is not how many zombies died in Kursk, but how many civilians and soldiers they have killed, what damage has been done by both Nato and the local idiots who Fab all buildings and factories like in Donbass because they can’t stop the kamikaze using their 1600s catapult duels. Is Kursk radioactive yet? I doubt Nato did not use DU there just for fun.

Posted by: rk | Oct 17 2024 18:17 utc | 62

by Anti-Spiegel
Posted by: ossi | Oct 17 2024 17:25 utc | 55
To read western literature is bad of one’s mental health. Even when it is anti-Spiegel. More so when it is about blackmail.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 17 2024 18:17 utc | 63

Not – that the Republican party in the USA, is any better than the Democrats party – it isn’t, but this woman has a point. Of course – it looks like the same woman is too afraid, to mention the billions funneled the Zionist genocide regime aka Israel.
“Americans are furious with the current administration because it has sent billions to Ukraine while treating its own citizens worse than dirt, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene has said.
Speaking at a campaign rally in Atlanta on Wednesday evening, the Georgia Republican contrasted the response by President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris to disasters affecting Americans with their eagerness to funnel cash to Kiev.”
https://www.rt.com/news/605874-americans-hatred-government-ukraine/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 17 2024 18:33 utc | 64

Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 17 2024 17:28 utc | 56
Youre substituting the State of Russia with the person “Putin”. Personification. Meaning his whims determine actions, which is a component of the prevailing polarizing narratives to demonize and not allow an honest comparison between us and them.
The reality of the matter is that there is an apparatus of government and all kinds of decision making processes, just like in the US, behind the person “Putin”. But this is not conductive to the polarizing narrative. You need simplistic, juvenile, cartoon 2D characters with ditto behavior in order to land the narrative.
For the rest of your post: there is no chance of peace, not anymore, because there is no capacity on the Western side of self-reflection anymore. Society is too far gone for that. There is zero evidence Western states even consider that theoretically.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 17 2024 18:37 utc | 65

Zaluzhny has popped back up onto the radar: https://ukranews.com/en/news/1041988-zaluzhnyi-describes-weakness-of-west-and-his-vision-of-war-in-ukraine

The former Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the current Ambassador of Ukraine to the United Kingdom Valerii Zaluzhnyi spoke at the Royal Institute of International Relations (Chatham House) and named the main “facts of reality” about the war in Ukraine.
Zaluzhnyi formed his own judgments about Ukraine’s capabilities and goals, as well as the collective weakness of the West and the United States in particular, which allowed russian dictator putin to launch the bloodiest war of the 21st century in the heart of Europe. The former Commander-in-Chief stressed that the consequences of the reluctance of the collective West to influence the global security system became the cause of what is happening in Ukraine.
“The collective West did not believe in Ukraine. Therefore, the Western press, fearing Putin, gave Ukraine first three hours, then three days. Then, coming to Ukraine’s aid, the collective West, fearing either nuclear war or escalation, did not provide Ukraine with the necessary amount of weapons, so we were unable to achieve any powerful successes in defeating Russia in 2023 and entered a state of protracted war from which it seems impossible to get out even today,” said Zaluzhnyi.
According to him, Ukraine must become a member of NATO or NATO will have to be created in Ukraine like Israel, especially since the aggressor has united China, North Korea and Iran around him. BRICS is developing, and all these associations are not directed against Ukraine, but aimed at the collective West, which is still “afraid of escalation.”
Zaluzhnyi said that Ukrainians need the following three basic feelings:
Feeling of own security. This would ensure that no one would attack again for at least 100 years, which is why security guarantees are needed.
A sense of development opportunities. This would provide opportunities for post-war recovery, but no investor will invest in a country without security.
A sense of peace and tranquillity for every Ukrainian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mccJd85LlY

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 17 2024 18:37 utc | 66

The Netherlands – and International Law, should never be spoken or written in the same sentence – for the Dutch, wouldn’t recognise International Laws – if they jumped up and bit them on the backside.
On the below – I see no reason why the Kremlin shouldn’t now see the Netherlands as a legitimate target – a target that they could strike – such as their military instillations.
“Ukraine can use Dutch-supplied F-16 fighter jets against military targets deep inside internationally recognized Russian territory, the NATO country’s defense minister has said. Ruben Brekelmans claimed that such strikes would constitute legitimate self-defense under international law.
The Netherlands has pledged to provide Ukraine with 24 of the US-made fighter jets as part of a group of NATO member states which last year established the so-called ‘F-16 coalition’. Fellow members Denmark and Norway have promised to supply 19 and six aircraft respectively, while other nations in the group – which includes Belgium, Canada, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Sweden, Greece, Bulgaria, and France – have been training Ukrainian pilots.
The first batch of F-16s, which reportedly included fewer than a dozen fighter jets, arrived in Ukraine in August.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 17 2024 18:40 utc | 67

It wouldn’t take additional “years of warfare” to take Odessa. Once the 404 army crumbles, it will crumble everywhere. Sure, there may be the odd dozen or so Nazis here and there who will fight till they are killed, but in general, the Great God Pan will rule the land, and every Ukrainian ex-soldier will just want to get home again in one piece.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Oct 17 2024 15:26 utc | 34
A pleasant thought- the Russians doubtless want an easy fight. But they’re not going on any big arrow offensives, for reasons that have been evident since 2022, and they’re clearly more concerned with conserving their soldiers than any sort of artificial timetable. Westerners aren’t really used to that, so the pressure will start to crush NATO.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 18:42 utc | 68

More on potential delays to F-16 deployment: https://sputnikglobe.com/20241017/why-ukraine-may-not-operate-a-full-f-16-squadron-for-months-to-come-1120581721.html

The first batch of F-16s, which was delivered to the Ukrainian military in late July, failed to change the situation on the battlefield in favor of the Kiev regime, with the Ukrainian Air Force confirming that one such jet crashed just weeks after the first batch supply.
The United States has changed its program to train Ukrainian pilots to fly F-16 fighter jets, adding “younger cadets” with no prior flight experience, the Wall Street Journal has cited unnamed officials as saying.
“It is a mix. Some have been experienced pilots, and we still are receiving more experienced pilots. But there’s also those that do not have that kind of pilot training and experience,” one of the officials said
The decision to refocus the training on the cadets rather than experienced air force members may extend the timeline in when the Kiev regime could start to operate a full squadron of F-16s on the battlefield “by many months,” according to the sources.
They argued that even before the decision was taken, Ukraine would hardly have 20 F-16s and 40 pilots to operate them until spring or summer next year at the earliest.
The insiders also said that the move to change the training program is the result of a lack of experienced Ukrainian pilots “with requisite English-language abilities who can be spared from the battlefield.”

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 17 2024 18:51 utc | 69

If the USA stopped being hostile to Russia, then Europe would have to read the room and either follow Trump’s lead or suffer the consequences.
If Trump can negotiate peaceful settlements and trade deals, it would be a big blow to the influence of the MIC, and they rather he doesn’t get the chance to try.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 17 2024 17:28 utc | 56
THANK you. Too many people buy into the Western notion that Putin wants to be the hardcore macho man, but he’d happily -appear- scared if the West was willing to genuinely end the war and make Russia incredibly wealthy. Most leaders would. The neos would be incredibly furious and go all out to stop it, but instigating an American civil war would hardly be disincentive to VVP taking peace negotiations seriously.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 18:53 utc | 70

@ Outraged | Oct 17 2024 17:38 utc | 57
okay… you saved me having to respond to chevrus, lol…. thanks for your posts outraged…
@ Republicofscotland | Oct 17 2024 18:40 utc | 67
the leadership in the netherlands, or a number of these folks are seriously fucked in the head… slavishly following usa dictates ain’t gonna cut it anymore.. same deal with the stupid examination on their part with the m17 crash.. these folks are nuts if they believe they are fooling anyone..

Posted by: james | Oct 17 2024 19:15 utc | 71

speaking of imf funding, this just in from karlof1’s post on maria z..
“Ursula von der Leyen announced the European “Growth Plan for Moldova”. Most of this growth plan is in the form of credit. The amount is beautiful, wonderful. It is really large – 1.8 billion euros. Only a small nuance, you know, an asterisk, a footnote, which for some reason no one sees and does not pay attention to. The fact is that it’s all on credit. This is not a gift, not humanitarian aid, not gratuitous support. This is a loan. No one asks the question of who will give it back, how, from what funds. Who and how will dispose of it. It doesn’t matter. It is important to voice a beautiful figure and at the same time keep silent about the fact that all this is on credit. This is a real Western, not mythical Russian interference in the internal affairs of Moldova.”
Maria Zakharova Weekly Briefing Selections

Posted by: james | Oct 17 2024 19:19 utc | 72

The Duran
Putin and Russia’s Military. John Helmer DEBATES Gilbert Doctorow (Live)
https://rumble.com/v5j03vn-putin-and-russias-military.-john-helmer-debates-gilbert-doctorow-live.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Oct 17 2024 19:27 utc | 73

Blackrock is a hedge fund managing 401Ks and state pension funds, along with Vanguard and State St.
They suck money from workers who tithe every paycheck, with the promise that in 40 years they will be rich, and it will all be theirs, unlike that bad Social Security, that gives a monthly pension to everyone until they die. The workers fantasize that they will have enough left over from their 401K millions to pass on to their kids when they pass on.
All that will happen when Blackrock loses their investments in Ukraine is that the workers will find out that their nest egg just got emptied, the way it did in 2001 and 20008.
They will then have a chirpy ex-cheerleader turned 401K salesperson tell them that they need to double their tithe in order to make up what they lost.
And there are enough stupid people out there to do just that. And then Blackrock’s bottom-line will improve.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 17 2024 19:42 utc | 74

The state pension funds lost will be made up by the taxpayers, just like before.
We already know how they do.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 17 2024 19:49 utc | 75

@ Posted by: james | Oct 17 2024 19:19 utc | 72
I guess European finance capital has been pulling this credit-based development shit on other European countries at least since they did it to Yugoslavia, but it’s sort of amazing to see it being done. Normally this type of thing is reserved for African or Latin American nations, coming with the usual strings attached to make sure the local workforce is readily exploitable by American, Anglo, and European capital.

Posted by: fnord | Oct 17 2024 20:04 utc | 76

The chances that Ukraine can field a deliverable nuclear weapon in a few weeks are about the same as the chances that Ukraine will push Russia out, join Nato, then provide an army that can relieve US troops in Germany, so they are free to make war somewhere else. Or the chances that a squadron of F16’s will provide close air support on the front lines in the near future. Zelensky needs to lay off the white powder.

Posted by: Mike R | Oct 17 2024 20:07 utc | 77

BlackRock is huuuge, as Trump would say.
TBTF.
I see a massive bailout package coming.
The entire BRICS evoulution coming alongside this was somethign I did not consider, but that makes Ukraine the smallest of problems once the dollar takes a steeper decline.

Posted by: Norwegian Pawn | Oct 17 2024 20:12 utc | 78

@ Posted by: Mike R | Oct 17 2024 20:07 utc | 77
I’m still anxiously awaiting the use of the F-16s for anything other than hot dogging and grand standing. Russia is in the process of encircling at least 3 cities in Ukraine on the Eastern front. Russian air crews are operating with near impunity. Where are the F-16s? Clearly not covering the retreat.
The lack of a real guerilla army against the Russian occupation also signals how little the average Ukrainian wants to fight and die for Ukraine. The leadership should listen to the people and stop the bloodshed. Industries can be rebuilt, lives lost can never be replaced. But maybe further Western support is contingent on the Ukrainians bleeding the Russians as much as possible. An overture for peace could easily end in Zelensky ending up in a CIA black site.

Posted by: fnord | Oct 17 2024 20:18 utc | 79

Posted by: Naive | Oct 17 2024 18:17 utc | 63
To read western literature is bad of one’s mental health. Even when it is anti-Spiegel. More so when it is about blackmail.

I assume that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Anti-Spiegel is the one-man project of Thomas Röper who moved to Russia around 2010 and speaks fluently Russian. He is regularly invited by Russian media as an expert on the Western/German perspective. His site is not “western literature”. It is already extremely useful for providing German translations of TASS or other Russian news (also TV) because it is really hard for Germans to even get to know what they say in Moscow. On top of that, Röper also does geo-political analysis, and is really good at that. But simply his translation official Russian news would be worth the while.

Posted by: Konami | Oct 17 2024 20:19 utc | 80

Re: Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 17 2024 18:37 utc | 66
Ah, perhaps a 4th “basic” thing could be: warm milk and cookies to go along with the other three obscurities.
Meanwhile, his old Boss threatens to build a nuke if not given NATO membership (anyone else remember what happened when he did that a the Budapest meeting right before the SMO began?)
Idiot or possible set up to get rid of him or provocation for Russia to “finish” project off due EU/Germany?
So many Western machinations & plots to choose from…
https://www.rt.com/russia/605869-ukraine-nuclear-weapons-bild/
“Ukraine claims it could have nuclear weapons within weeks “– Bild
“Vladimir Zelensky’s aide has denied the German tabloid’s claim”. Denial
“The report comes after Vladimir Zelensky alluded to such a possibility during a visit to Brussels on the same day. The Ukrainian leader claimed his country ***needs either nuclear weapons or membership of NATO.”***

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2024 20:19 utc | 81

Friedrich Merz, German opposition: “… we no longer accept” that Russian President Vladimir Putin “indiscriminately bombs civilian infrastructure, hospitals, kindergartens, all civilian infrastructure in this country”.
Merz said literally: “This cannot continue, and if Putin does not accept this, then the next step must be taken and he must be told: If he does not stop bombing the civilian population in Ukraine within 24 hours, then Taurus cruise missiles must also be delivered from the Federal Republic of Germany to destroy the supply routes that this regime is using to damage and bomb the civilian population in Ukraine.”
Berliner Zeitung
Friedrich Merz had a firm stance against Nord Stream.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 17 2024 20:29 utc | 82

@ fnord | Oct 17 2024 20:04 utc | 76
i guess they are running out of options, so have to practice closer to home!! – confessions of an Economic Hitmen by john perkins… i highly recommend it.. it is one big ponzi scheme and it will eventually come to an end…

Posted by: james | Oct 17 2024 20:48 utc | 83

Ally @ 6:
Perhaps a troll has taken over Ken Klippenstein’s blog and is now flooding it with rubbish. You should have been able to smell the desperation running off it.
Anyway the commenters to that post rained a bucket of bile. Even Craig Murray wasn’t buying KK’s bilge.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 17 2024 20:52 utc | 84

https://www.youtube.com/live/iV0FhnePgYk?si=fOBCMkXMwpuhFR42

Posted by: Larsbo | Oct 17 2024 21:25 utc | 85

As threatened, “Weekly Briefing: Ukraine Crisis” by Maria Zakharova.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 17 2024 21:30 utc | 86

@Passerby
This German doesn’t like a president who: “indiscriminately bombs civilian infrastructure, hospitals, kindergartens, all civilian infrastructure in this country”?
Then why do they give full support and weapons to Netanyahu who is doing this continuously?

Posted by: ed Bernays | Oct 17 2024 21:32 utc | 87

james | Oct 17 2024 19:19 utc | 72–
Thanks james for highlighting that important asterisk. The ploy is over 100 years old and is from the policy known as Dollar Diplomacy which has continued since in differing forms. That Barbados could seek up to $5 Trillion in reparations for slavery from the UK et al is also rather astounding and a news item not getting much attention. The separate Ukraine update is now linked.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 17 2024 21:38 utc | 88

ed Bernays: Yes, and Merz is 100% pro-Zionist. It is not a logically defendable position but they usually get away with it. People who question this kind of reasoning (or the human suffering itself) are entirely out of the scope of “normal”.

Posted by: Konami | Oct 17 2024 21:40 utc | 89

The situation in key settlements in the Donetsk direction during the SVO as of the end of the day, October 17, 2024 (briefly):
Good news from the front, there is an advance along almost the entire line of the Donetsk direction.
We have occupied most of Katerinovka.
We have been breaking through the defense in this area for a long time – a month of positional battles and a dash.
Ostrovskoe – we have entered Kurakhovo , we are stretching along the bank, the Volchya River divides it .
The Ukies could no longer hold that part behind the bridge and concentrated their defense in the main part of the settlement.
We have driven a strong wedge between Novoselidovka and Izmailovka. We are constantly transferring new units to the bridgehead, trying to increase the pressure while conditions allow.
Selidovo – from the north and south the ring continues to narrow inexorably.
The Khokhol is powerless at the moment.
What happened in practice when the Ukies waited for the muddy season and hoped to stop our offensive with it, but it turned out differently?
Indeed, the mud makes advancement almost impossible, but we are going in spite of it!
But for the enemy, these are practically black days.
The main defense of the khokhol is built on drones and data from enemy satellites.
Rain, wind and overcast skies have deprived the enemy of sight, which means that the only hope of the khokhol is melting before our eyes. Oddly enough, the mud is on our side today.
We can say that the ground is slipping away from under our feet, or rather, we are liberating it.

Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 17 2024 22:12 utc | 90

@ fnord | Oct 17 2024 20:18 utc | 79
Z won’t end up in a black site. There’s nothing Empire wants from him. Most probable fate will be unexpectedly gunned down by his own Prez personal protection detail, unexpectedly abandoned by same … left for the true nazi’s to do previous, shortly thereafter.
Cheers
@ Konami | Oct 17 2024 20:19 utc | 80
Well said.
@ Bernays | Oct 17 2024 21:32 utc | 87
Indeed. 🙁
@ Konami | Oct 17 2024 21:40 utc | 89
Suborned, compromised, inhuman amoral sociopaths/arch-Opportunists, often all three …
Cheers

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 17 2024 22:12 utc | 91

The Myth of the Ukronazi’s F 16…………..they are not operation in the Ukraine.
There is no airbase in the Ukraine with acceptably clean runways for the F 16 to operate.
There have been no combat sightings of any F 16’s.
There is no infrastructure in the UAF air bases that can service the exacting needs of the F 16.
The reality is that the F 16’s given to the UAF are now resting, unused at a Romanian NATO base. The only place they can operate from.
The real question is when will NATO grow so desperate at the Ukronazi collapse that they will allow the UAF to launch F 16 from Romania?

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 17 2024 22:13 utc | 92

Sorry…..that should read “they are not operational in the Ukraine”.

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 17 2024 22:17 utc | 93

Hudson, Wolff and Nima just recently finished their 90-minute session, “How the U.S. Took Over the World: The End of International Law!”. Hudson shared his notes with me last night, and I must say we share the same page.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 17 2024 22:19 utc | 94

This German doesn’t like a president who: “indiscriminately bombs civilian infrastructure, hospitals, kindergartens, all civilian infrastructure in this country”?
Then why do they give full support and weapons to Netanyahu who is doing this continuously?
Posted by: ed Bernays | Oct 17 2024 21:32 utc | 87
They (Germans, the West in general) have a very selective moral compass. It points either north or south depending on the users preference at the moment.

Posted by: Mike R | Oct 17 2024 22:37 utc | 95

They (Germans, the West in general) have a very selective moral compass. It points either north or south depending on the users preference at the moment.
Posted by: Mike R | Oct 17 2024 22:37 utc | 95

aka the bi-polar Western regimes.

Posted by: N. Hanrahan | Oct 17 2024 22:43 utc | 96

Posted by: bisfugged | Oct 17 2024 17:06 utc | 52
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I’ve mentioned before that every ruler must keep the military sweet. Russia is in a unique situation in that Putin is trying to protect the world from an escalation level of 10,000. Limiting the military while maintaining political control.
One can be sure in any other country the CIA would be trying to subvert a General Sisi type but none exist in Russia. The Russian General Staff hates the West the most of the entire government.
The Helmer article may or may not be 50% BS, but it is interesting court intrigue drama nonetheless.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 17 2024 22:52 utc | 97

Excellent ding-dong between John Helmer and Gilbert Doctorow on the Duran, about the Russian politics of end of war conditions:
https://www.youtube.com/live/iV0FhnePgYk?si=zq4oaRnjVMeZQRDR
Helmer points out that the U.S. death wish toward Russia is no new neocon invention. It has existed since 1945. The U.S. reaction to the Soviet destruction of their Nazi protege in Germany is that of an angry bear deprived of her cub. U.S.-NATO seamlessly takes over where the Wehrmacht leaves off.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Oct 17 2024 23:15 utc | 98

Posted by: Konami | Oct 17 2024 20:19 utc | 80
OK, my mistake! I stand corrected. Thanks!

Posted by: Naive | Oct 17 2024 23:28 utc | 99

Putin is a satanist, instead of ending the war fast with a proper invasion he came up with the SMO bs to push Ukrainians and Russians into a meatgrinder
This war is done to benefit Chabad

Posted by: Nima | Oct 17 2024 23:35 utc | 100