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October 17, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-249
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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I am wondering what a president schould be called, who offers the people and the wealth of his land to other countries? If it’s madness it has method… Posted by: Dors Venabili | Oct 17 2024 13:24 utc | 1 How will BlackRock and all the other financial sharks be able to recoup all the losses from their investments in Ukraine. I doubt they will suffer much and rather shift the loss burden upon other areas. Posted by: Norwegian Pawn | Oct 17 2024 13:29 utc | 2 I doubt they will suffer much and rather shift the loss burden upon other areas. Posted by: too scents | Oct 17 2024 13:35 utc | 3 1916 you’re full of shit. No major territory has been conceded by Russia since Kherson/Kharkiv and that was two years ago. Kursk is contested and shrinking 1/4th has already been recaptured. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 17 2024 13:48 utc | 4 “How will BlackRock and all the other financial sharks be able to recoup all the losses from their investments in Ukraine. I doubt they will suffer much and rather shift the loss burden upon other areas.” Can anyone critique the claims in this please? Posted by: Ally | Oct 17 2024 13:50 utc | 6 Using glide bombs for counter-battery strikes suggests rapid targeting.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 17 2024 14:05 utc | 7 Posted by: 1917 | Oct 17 2024 13:44 utc | 4 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 17 2024 14:08 utc | 8 A partition of Kiev would be wonderful news for Moscow under all but the grimmest circumstances. Russia is quite ready to rebuild its territory in the Ukraine, while NATO: Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 14:14 utc | 9 @ # 2 Posted by: GMC | Oct 17 2024 14:18 utc | 10 “While promising to strike the “decision-making centers”, then never following up on that promise, which is not that hard to do because cargo cultists remember the promise and think it still holds while never bothering to notice the bluff has already been called…” It will be hard for BlackRock to outperform post BRICS as they then need to deliver a bigger slice from a smaller pie. Posted by: Angelo | Oct 17 2024 14:20 utc | 12 1917 Posted by: A.cagliostro | Oct 17 2024 14:28 utc | 13 A partition of Ukraine would hardly be acceptable to the RF without Odessa thrown in the mix. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 17 2024 14:32 utc | 14 Can anyone critique the claims in this please? Can anyone critique the claims in this please? Posted by: catdog | Oct 17 2024 14:37 utc | 16 A partition of Ukraine would hardly be acceptable to the RF without Odessa thrown in the mix. Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 14:38 utc | 17 Would EU use the frozen Russian assets of 300Bln to compensate Blackrock? Posted by: too scents | Oct 17 2024 14:46 utc | 18 Can anyone critique the claims in this please? Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 14:47 utc | 19 How will BlackRock and all the other financial sharks be able to recoup all the losses from their investments in Ukraine. I doubt they will suffer much and rather shift the loss burden upon other areas. Posted by: HB_Norica | Oct 17 2024 14:49 utc | 20 @# 4, Posted by: Ed | Oct 17 2024 14:55 utc | 21 canuck@12…..tis actually a Russian song and dance, sung loud and clear, from the start of the SMO unfortunately the RF are still trying to chart it out… Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 17 2024 14:56 utc | 22 They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 14:38 utc | 18 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 17 2024 14:57 utc | 23 They call me mister@1438 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 17 2024 14:57 utc | 24 Can anyone critique the claims in this please? Posted by: Mike R | Oct 17 2024 14:59 utc | 25 pussymutt@1437 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 17 2024 15:01 utc | 26 Ukraine is not militarily winning, but they can still “win” by boneheaded Russian policy decisions. If Ukraine offered a peace deal now that only agreed to let Russia keep Crimea and the Donbass, along with some paper security guarantees that could be discarded later, it would be ludicrous to describe that as a Russian victory. And yet it is sadly likely that Russian leaders would accept such a deal. Posted by: ossi | Oct 17 2024 15:02 utc | 27 Lots of lessons to learn. Posted by: too scents | Oct 17 2024 15:03 utc | 28 “Trust me”. Translates directly to “Fuck you” in Yiddish, ‘Merican, and Youropean. Posted by: kupkee | Oct 17 2024 15:04 utc | 29 Angelo@1420 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 17 2024 15:06 utc | 30 miker@1459 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 17 2024 15:09 utc | 31 Blackrock is not as great as it seems . They lost $ 1.7 TRILLION in 2022 . In 2024 they are just about even , Posted by: hole in head | Oct 17 2024 15:12 utc | 32 Posted by: ossi | Oct 17 2024 15:02 utc | 29 Posted by: catdog | Oct 17 2024 15:13 utc | 33 Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 14:38 utc | 18 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Oct 17 2024 15:26 utc | 34 Posted by: catdog | Oct 17 2024 15:13 utc | 35 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Oct 17 2024 15:30 utc | 35 catdog | Oct 17 2024 15:13 utc | 35 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 17 2024 15:32 utc | 36 @ Posted by: catdog | Oct 17 2024 14:37 utc | 17
If by “likely”, you mean “literally impossible”, then you are correct. Posted by: boneless | Oct 17 2024 15:40 utc | 37 6 critique Ken Klippenstein piece? Posted by: nazcalito | Oct 17 2024 15:43 utc | 38 Appears that Ukraine is looking to build a nuclear weapon again: Posted by: Caveman | Oct 17 2024 15:59 utc | 39 Interesting. You say the general staff wishes to act more offensively than Putin. Do you think it is Putin’s command to stop the Kursk liberation at the border, rather than attack into Sumy, as 1917 mentions? Is Putin responsible for the slow pace of Russian advances, or is that the reality of the war? In other words is Russia theoretically capable of making more rapid gains if only there was a change in policy? Posted by: ossi | Oct 17 2024 16:01 utc | 40 The Supreme Commander in Chief VV Putin is not in a rush by any means. Posted by: AI | Oct 17 2024 16:04 utc | 41 So there’s one thing I’ve been meaning to add to one of these threads. Posted by: Stark | Oct 17 2024 16:04 utc | 42 Re Blackrock (and other) losses, this is (at least one) way I think it works. Someone borrows money to “invest” in a Ukrainian asset. The asset is lost but the debt remains. So someone has taken a loss. The debt was secured with the asset as collateral but now there is no security. However the lender can pretend that the loan is good and park with the Fed (or ANO CB) who will also pretend it is good and refinance to provide “liquidity”. So the lender is made good. Sort of, except there is a funding cost. And the borrower, well they can also pretend the asset is good, and so their loan is not in default. But it still needs repaying but there is no cash flow to do that. So a problem. Posted by: marcjf | Oct 17 2024 16:05 utc | 43 @ marcjf | Oct 17 2024 16:05 utc | 45 Posted by: james | Oct 17 2024 16:13 utc | 44 @ Soviético | Oct 17 2024 14:02 utc | 7 Translated:
@ Angelo | Oct 17 2024 14:39 utc | 19 – @ Soviético Translated:
@ They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 14:38 utc | 18
@ Greg Galloway | Oct 17 2024 14:08 utc | 9 @#44 Posted by: Ed | Oct 17 2024 16:24 utc | 46 Can anyone critique the claims in this please? Posted by: Mary | Oct 17 2024 16:27 utc | 47 Kursk has become not one, but two large fire cauldrons, almost akin to two black holes, eating whole regiments of infantry and armor and demanding more every week. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 17 2024 16:33 utc | 48 @ Ed | Oct 17 2024 16:24 utc | 46 Posted by: james | Oct 17 2024 16:36 utc | 49 reply to 6 Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 17 2024 16:54 utc | 50 Would EU use the frozen Russian assets of 300Bln to compensate Blackrock? Posted by: ld | Oct 17 2024 16:57 utc | 51 Jams O’Connell @36 Posted by: bisfugged | Oct 17 2024 17:06 utc | 52 *** I was actually referencing catdog’s ridiculous comments at 33. Posted by: bisfugged | Oct 17 2024 17:09 utc | 53 This is a comment from a SubStack by CheetosSpring, I’m reposting it with permission Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 17 2024 17:09 utc | 54 threatens in Brussels: NATO accession or Ukraine will acquire nuclear weapons Posted by: ossi | Oct 17 2024 17:25 utc | 55 If a recently reinaugurated President Trump did call Putin and declare “enough is enough”, I could imagine Putin sounding placating but by the end of the call having Trump declare he was open to the idea of reducing sanctions, especially the ones that hurt the American economy, and returning to Russia its seized funds, especially if it was the European Union that had to eat the cost of that. Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 17 2024 17:28 utc | 56 @ Chevrus | Oct 17 2024 17:09 utc | 54
The Kiev Neo-Nazi OUN-B junta is cruising for a terminal bruising. Extinction via a ‘conventional’ combined Iskander/Kinzal/Zircon, multi-salvo barrage, targeting an identified/detected underground ‘Terrorist/War Criminals’, Communications, Command & Control facility. I really wonder when the West will stop these lunatics in Kiev that it itself created. Posted by: too scents | Oct 17 2024 17:40 utc | 58 Blackrock is not as great as it seems . They lost $ 1.7 TRILLION in 2022 . In 2024 they are just about even , Posted by: kupkee | Oct 17 2024 17:47 utc | 59
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 17 2024 17:48 utc | 60 This: Posted by: Naive | Oct 17 2024 18:13 utc | 61 An army without aircover and discipline is no more than a mob and at this point that is exactly what the Ukronazi army is Posted by: rk | Oct 17 2024 18:17 utc | 62 by Anti-Spiegel Posted by: Naive | Oct 17 2024 18:17 utc | 63 Not – that the Republican party in the USA, is any better than the Democrats party – it isn’t, but this woman has a point. Of course – it looks like the same woman is too afraid, to mention the billions funneled the Zionist genocide regime aka Israel. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 17 2024 18:33 utc | 64 Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 17 2024 17:28 utc | 56 Posted by: alek_a | Oct 17 2024 18:37 utc | 65 Zaluzhny has popped back up onto the radar: https://ukranews.com/en/news/1041988-zaluzhnyi-describes-weakness-of-west-and-his-vision-of-war-in-ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mccJd85LlY Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 17 2024 18:37 utc | 66 The Netherlands – and International Law, should never be spoken or written in the same sentence – for the Dutch, wouldn’t recognise International Laws – if they jumped up and bit them on the backside. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 17 2024 18:40 utc | 67 It wouldn’t take additional “years of warfare” to take Odessa. Once the 404 army crumbles, it will crumble everywhere. Sure, there may be the odd dozen or so Nazis here and there who will fight till they are killed, but in general, the Great God Pan will rule the land, and every Ukrainian ex-soldier will just want to get home again in one piece. Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 18:42 utc | 68 More on potential delays to F-16 deployment: https://sputnikglobe.com/20241017/why-ukraine-may-not-operate-a-full-f-16-squadron-for-months-to-come-1120581721.html
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 17 2024 18:51 utc | 69 If the USA stopped being hostile to Russia, then Europe would have to read the room and either follow Trump’s lead or suffer the consequences. Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Oct 17 2024 18:53 utc | 70 @ Outraged | Oct 17 2024 17:38 utc | 57 Posted by: james | Oct 17 2024 19:15 utc | 71 speaking of imf funding, this just in from karlof1’s post on maria z.. Posted by: james | Oct 17 2024 19:19 utc | 72 The Duran Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Oct 17 2024 19:27 utc | 73 Blackrock is a hedge fund managing 401Ks and state pension funds, along with Vanguard and State St. Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 17 2024 19:42 utc | 74 The state pension funds lost will be made up by the taxpayers, just like before. Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 17 2024 19:49 utc | 75 @ Posted by: james | Oct 17 2024 19:19 utc | 72 Posted by: fnord | Oct 17 2024 20:04 utc | 76 The chances that Ukraine can field a deliverable nuclear weapon in a few weeks are about the same as the chances that Ukraine will push Russia out, join Nato, then provide an army that can relieve US troops in Germany, so they are free to make war somewhere else. Or the chances that a squadron of F16’s will provide close air support on the front lines in the near future. Zelensky needs to lay off the white powder. Posted by: Mike R | Oct 17 2024 20:07 utc | 77 BlackRock is huuuge, as Trump would say. Posted by: Norwegian Pawn | Oct 17 2024 20:12 utc | 78 @ Posted by: Mike R | Oct 17 2024 20:07 utc | 77 Posted by: fnord | Oct 17 2024 20:18 utc | 79
I assume that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Anti-Spiegel is the one-man project of Thomas Röper who moved to Russia around 2010 and speaks fluently Russian. He is regularly invited by Russian media as an expert on the Western/German perspective. His site is not “western literature”. It is already extremely useful for providing German translations of TASS or other Russian news (also TV) because it is really hard for Germans to even get to know what they say in Moscow. On top of that, Röper also does geo-political analysis, and is really good at that. But simply his translation official Russian news would be worth the while. Posted by: Konami | Oct 17 2024 20:19 utc | 80 Re: Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 17 2024 18:37 utc | 66 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2024 20:19 utc | 81 Friedrich Merz, German opposition: “… we no longer accept” that Russian President Vladimir Putin “indiscriminately bombs civilian infrastructure, hospitals, kindergartens, all civilian infrastructure in this country”. Posted by: Passerby | Oct 17 2024 20:29 utc | 82 @ fnord | Oct 17 2024 20:04 utc | 76 Posted by: james | Oct 17 2024 20:48 utc | 83 Ally @ 6: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 17 2024 20:52 utc | 84 https://www.youtube.com/live/iV0FhnePgYk?si=fOBCMkXMwpuhFR42 Posted by: Larsbo | Oct 17 2024 21:25 utc | 85 As threatened, “Weekly Briefing: Ukraine Crisis” by Maria Zakharova. @Passerby Posted by: ed Bernays | Oct 17 2024 21:32 utc | 87 james | Oct 17 2024 19:19 utc | 72– ed Bernays: Yes, and Merz is 100% pro-Zionist. It is not a logically defendable position but they usually get away with it. People who question this kind of reasoning (or the human suffering itself) are entirely out of the scope of “normal”. Posted by: Konami | Oct 17 2024 21:40 utc | 89
Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 17 2024 22:12 utc | 90 @ fnord | Oct 17 2024 20:18 utc | 79 The Myth of the Ukronazi’s F 16…………..they are not operation in the Ukraine. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 17 2024 22:13 utc | 92 Sorry…..that should read “they are not operational in the Ukraine”. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 17 2024 22:17 utc | 93 Hudson, Wolff and Nima just recently finished their 90-minute session, “How the U.S. Took Over the World: The End of International Law!”. Hudson shared his notes with me last night, and I must say we share the same page. This German doesn’t like a president who: “indiscriminately bombs civilian infrastructure, hospitals, kindergartens, all civilian infrastructure in this country”? Posted by: Mike R | Oct 17 2024 22:37 utc | 95
aka the bi-polar Western regimes. Posted by: N. Hanrahan | Oct 17 2024 22:43 utc | 96 Posted by: bisfugged | Oct 17 2024 17:06 utc | 52 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 17 2024 22:52 utc | 97 Excellent ding-dong between John Helmer and Gilbert Doctorow on the Duran, about the Russian politics of end of war conditions: Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Oct 17 2024 23:15 utc | 98 Posted by: Konami | Oct 17 2024 20:19 utc | 80 Posted by: Naive | Oct 17 2024 23:28 utc | 99 Putin is a satanist, instead of ending the war fast with a proper invasion he came up with the SMO bs to push Ukrainians and Russians into a meatgrinder Posted by: Nima | Oct 17 2024 23:35 utc | 100 |
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