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October 13, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-245

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Because all the thing about no sock puppets would be irrelevant and a fucking joke.
The water transparent because ours comments and IPs are in your logs.
Posted by: Luis | Oct 15 2024 10:11 utc | 201
What exactly want you to say with that? That with the knowing of the IP addresses B could get rid easly of the sock puppets?
If it’s that what you mean, then what about those who use VPN. If you use VPN the IP address is always different. Some use different devices or locations/networks where they write, so the IP address changes also. If I mistook your posting, then I apologize.

Posted by: NoName | Oct 15 2024 10:57 utc | 201

“Well, I just have a bit zen-style, reduced style of writing.
But I am not a bot.
I would be first to know that.:
Posted by: vargas | Oct 15 2024 10:49 utc | 203
Your writing is ‘zen-style’? Ha, just spit up some of my early morning coffee laughing at that statement.
How about ‘Reduced Retard Style’ seems more descriptive of your scribblings.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 10:59 utc | 202

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 15 2024 8:17 utc | 196
I’ve noticed that too-it just comes down to commerce-who wants to watch a blog where nothing is happening.
They need clicks so they become overly dramatic and not quite accurate in the time space described..

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 11:05 utc | 203

Every single day the Russian population falls by 1500 people. And that isn’t counting their war casualties. That is just their death rate + emigration + birthrate + immigration. Net -1500 per day. That is 550,000 people per year.

Posted by: Andrew Perpetua | Oct 15 2024 11:25 utc | 204

I for one appreciate Vargas for his short comments. Posting in the form of a question is not a bad thing. The socratic method, and all that. Better than the long rants and idiotic shadowbanned wannabes.
So here is a question from my end:
Where are the F16s?

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 15 2024 11:55 utc | 205

By the end of the century, assuming no black swan events, Russian population will fall to around 120-130 million depending which projection you enjoy. However, others believe it could fall under 100 million if the country enters a great depression type event after the war.

Posted by: Andrew Perpetua | Oct 15 2024 11:57 utc | 206

Andrew Perpetua | Oct 15 2024 11:25 utc | 207
“Every single day the Russian population falls by 1500 people”
That’s tremendously good for lowering property prices and raising wages.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 15 2024 11:59 utc | 207

Russia is nuking its entire economy (the real one, not the value of the GDP) in that “SMO”. Russian is suffering from brain drain, the social systems are crippled, its capability to trade with the west is also crippled and have to sell oil and LNG at sales price to others countries that only want the raw resources. If tomorrow the war ends it would require a significant amounth of time to get the relations with the west at the same level as before the war, and earned every single one of those problems.
Even if Ukranie can’t hold it, and the west will help it to hold it, Russia is absolutely demolished so yeah, It is working.

Posted by: Huma Dracobane | Oct 15 2024 12:12 utc | 208

Posted by: Andrew Perpetua | Oct 15 2024 11:57 utc | 209
Now apply your math to EU and is that have a worst fertility rate than RF.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 15 2024 12:21 utc | 209

Posted by: Huma Dracobane | Oct 15 2024 12:12 utc | 211
You‘ll find plenty of articles in western mainstream media who will tell you, that the russian economy is performing much stronger than expected (which greatly saddens the mainstream media shills).
So why can‘t you nafo trolls not made up your mind? You are constantly contradicting yourselves.

Posted by: NoName | Oct 15 2024 12:35 utc | 210

For everyone trying to use maths to predict the future:
Professor in mid 1980s: See, given the amount of oil in the world and the percentage use per year . . . THE WORLD WILL BE OUT OF OIL BY 1997 AND WE WILL ALL STARVE; STARVE I TELL YOU.
Me in 2024: What a dumbass!

Posted by: Nobody Special | Oct 15 2024 12:39 utc | 211

@ Mario | Oct 15 2024 12:21 utc | 212
It’s the latest — hopefully the last — NAFO line. Since even they can no longer snigger about a Ukronazi victory without blushing with shame, they cackle about a Russian Pyrrhic victory. That’s why they don’t mention the Ukronazi demographic catastrophe: It would be just too embarrassing.
The most hilarious part about their new line are the claims about how Russia will suffer from being cut off from Europe…when the last thing Russia needs is to collect assets that the Euros have already demonstrated a willingness to confiscate.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 15 2024 12:45 utc | 212

That would mean RU irretrievable is 83k.
Posted by: CL | Oct 14 2024 22:24 utc | 176
Can’t RF at 83k irretrievable would mean 42k KIA
But the serious part of mediazona is at 73k (nominally identified and last months should be undercounted) and to july excess mortalitty in RF was at 66K (and more than 5.000 in july only) so an absolute minimum near 80K for end of september is almost certain.
In very broad terms I would say 80k to 120k.
Now… also James M and milites
If the kill ratio was the alleged 5X then 400k to 600k would be what would be expected (and near the pain treshold discussed)
But back in may 2023 I already estimated 400k (and there are graveyards to account for more)
Confusing

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 15 2024 12:58 utc | 213

S has a new post, including a point I discussed some weeks ago, going behind the AFU southern line, is discussed but with an absurd pressing from the south, instead of closing the mother of all cauldrons by a drive to zaporizhzhya through the E105 (ignoring a probe already took place in kamyanske)
Holding the kramatorsk pokrovsk pokrovske zaporizhzhya arc would be the last least bad scenario for the AFU

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 15 2024 13:11 utc | 214

Newbie@217…..well that might make sense to someone with no rublesdollarssheckles in the game. It’s a commerce war….er, SlogMow….any sense of doing what would seem prudent gets tossed out, especially if it impedes that commerce flow.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 15 2024 13:41 utc | 215

206:
Really good point. I was kind of more struck by the biased nature of it. But the grift (or even just engagement grift, if a completely free source) is a big part of it.
And really these two things are conflated. A pro UFA crowd wants to hear pro UFA news (Denys Davydov even admits this and says he uses a biased headline and always leads with good news…but persists in giving the real picture later in the video, even if a setback). The same is clearly true with the pro RFA hoi polloi.
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FWIW, I’m actually trying to read and react to the content that DS shares. Sometimes there are little granules of news in there. Sometimes it’s this rehash as new stuff. Sometimes it’s the news dressed up with a lot of rah rah (“the enemy”, “pray for the guys”, “resisted a counterattack” [when you should be advancing!]).

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 15 2024 15:16 utc | 216

(apologies if someone has already commented on this, I’ve double checked but perhaps my eyes glazed over when confronted with the usual suspects)
To paraphrase the Joel Grey & Liza Minnelli song in the Cabaret musical:

“Money makes the war go around, the war go around, Money makes the war go around…”

When the flow of wunderwaffe into Ukraine loses both its momentum and raison d’être, the West turns to its old standby: ‘Money, Money’.
Hot on the heels of the EU’s recent pledge of $38 billion, Reuters reported on the 10th October that the World Bank approved the creation of a financial intermediary fund (FIF) to support Ukraine, which with help from the USA, Canada and Japan fills the Kiev piggy bank to the tune of $50 billion.
Both the EU & World Bank funding is backed by “interest from frozen Russian sovereign assets” and according to the Atlantic Council’s Josh Lipsky:

“This is a game-changing amount of money,” he said, noting that Ukraine’s spending on the war in 2023 was around $80 billion to $90 billion. “It’s real resources on the ground that can make a difference.”

So there we have it, where NATO fails, Western finance will succeed. How Russia will eventually respond to the daylight robbery of its frozen interest, never mind the future appropriation of its foreign reserves will be something to behold (cue the troll-fly bleating that Putin should have nuked the World Bank headquarters as soon as the sanctions kicked in).
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/world-bank-board-approves-new-ukraine-fund-with-money-us-japan-canada-sources-2024-10-10/

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Oct 15 2024 15:38 utc | 217

Can’t tell if this is an S-300 strike but it looks effective.
https://t.me/infomil_live/11091

Footage of missile strikes on the workshops of the Nikolaev armored plant last night.
Five ballistic missiles hit the target, enemy resources reported the use of 5V55 anti-aircraft missiles from the S-300 air defense system.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 15 2024 16:08 utc | 218

I forgot to add, tomorrow on the 16th October, Zelensky finally unveils his ‘victory plan’ in the Ukrainian parliament. According to big chief Mikhail Podoliak, the ‘plan’ should it be implemented will, wait for it…

“make Russia look as it should look: helpless, running somewhere screaming in terror”

Apparently the West should “Stop looking at what is going on with infantilism” and “If we do ten times more than now, use enough resources, we will have a massive upscale of the war in the Russian territory, and social changes in Russia will follow.”
So there we have it, as everyone supposed, the entire ‘plan’ is predicated on raining down missiles & in the parlance of US 60s radicals “bringing the war home” to terrorise the Russian people into submission whilst simultaneously enacting ‘Euromaidan II AKA ‘Moscow Does Believe In Tears’ to paraphrase the title of the Soviet film classic.
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/274711480/zelenskys-team-touts-imminent-victory-plan-unveiling

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Oct 15 2024 16:26 utc | 219

@Posted by: Andrew Perpetua | Oct 15 2024 11:25 utc | 207

Every single day the Russian population falls by 1500 people. And that isn’t counting their war casualties. That is just their death rate + emigration + birthrate + immigration. Net -1500 per day. That is 550,000 people per year.

Official demographic figures take into account any deaths, including those at the front i.e. “war casualties”. Quite a chunk of these were also from Russian jails, so more a gain than a loss to society. Russia is very carefully managing the war to limit its own casualties, as evidenced by the Mediazona numbers; the state values its able bodied working age population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia
https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
Russia’s demographics show a big chunk of old people 60+ entering their years of increasing death rates and heavily over-represented by females. The biggest demographic bulge is 35 to 45 years old, people who are in or entering the prime productive years, then a smaller bulge at 5 to 15 (until quite recently the birth rate was substantially higher), people who will be entering the workforce over the next 10+ years. This means that the workforce will be increasing well into the 2030s, Russia has no issue with a reduced workforce until probably the 2040s and even then it will have a sizeable cohort only just entering its most productive years.
The current low birth rates will not really impact for another two decades, in the interim less children means less dependants and more old people dying means less dependants. Russia’s net migration is actually positive, adding to the population. Migrants tend to be of working age, so reduce the dependancy ratio. And with respect to the Russians who left after the start of the SMO, “Recent studies show that 15 percent to 45 percent of Russian emigrants have returned to Russia, and the process is expected to continue, prompting speculation that Russia is gradually reversing its brain drain following the 2022 migration crisis.” The fears of bad treatment in Russia have not been fulfilled and living in limbo abroad gets old fast, especially when big destinations such as Georgia start realigning with Russia.
https://carnegieendowment.org/russia-eurasia/politika/2024/07/russian-emigration-in-flux?lang=en
With demographics the devil can always be in the details, throwing around gross numbers can be a mugs game and extremely misleading.

Posted by: Roger | Oct 15 2024 16:33 utc | 220

anon2020 @ 221

Footage of missile strikes on the workshops of the Nikolaev armored plant last night. Five ballistic missiles hit the target, enemy resources reported the use of 5V55 anti-aircraft missiles from the S-300 air defense system.

Can AD missiles be use this way? The accuracy was amazing and all fell straight down at 90 degrees. One of the more amazing missile strikes of the SMO, if it was an Iskander strike it was very expensive, whatever was thought to be in there was seen as very important, so far not much info.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 15 2024 16:47 utc | 221

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 15 2024 16:47 utc | 222
Supposedly they can but it still seems like an unusual claim. I’m not sure the specifics of the Army Recognition article below should be taken at face value without solid corroboration.
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/65668

Consecutive arrival of at least 5 Iskander missiles at the armored vehicle plant in Nikolaev. No air defense. Control is carried out from UAVs.

https://armyrecognition.com/focus-analysis-conflicts/army/conflicts-in-the-world/russia-ukraine-war-2022/russia-repurposes-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-for-ground-attacks-against-the-city-of-kharkiv

….
To repurpose the S-300 for ground attacks, two primary modifications are undertaken. Firstly, the system’s radar and software algorithms are reconfigured to detect and track ground-based threats instead of aerial targets. This involves adjusting the system’s parameters and algorithms to enable the identification and engagement of ground targets, such as vehicles or personnel.
Secondly, the missiles themselves are modified. To target ground threats, the missiles are equipped with different types of warheads, such as blast fragmentation or armor-piercing warheads, which are more effective against ground-based targets. Additionally, adjustments to the missile’s guidance system are necessary to improve trajectory and accuracy for land targets. These adaptations underscore the evolving nature of military technology and tactics in the ongoing conflict.

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/65661

🇺🇦 Kamikaze drones “KVN” (ed: “Prince Vandal of Novgorod” fiber-optic drones) find equipment of the occupiers in the Kursk forests.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 15 2024 18:05 utc | 222

Can AD missiles be use this way? The accuracy was amazing and all fell straight down at 90 degrees. One of the more amazing missile strikes of the SMO, if it was an Iskander strike it was very expensive, whatever was thought to be in there was seen as very important, so far not much info.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 15 2024 16:47 utc | 222
I read, that AD missiles can be modified to hit ground targets. The target hit in this clip is the Mykolaiv Armored Plant which you find on Google maps.

Posted by: NoName | Oct 15 2024 18:15 utc | 223

https://t.me/filatovcorr/4127

Later, our allies were able, having much more human resources than we had (there was a whole brigade advancing there), to break through the defense in the city blocks, west of the park. Krasnogorovka was taken by joint efforts, but the decisive role in this whole matter was played by the Assault Detachment, under the command of Bely, 110th Brigade.
There is video for all my statements, that is, recording by means of objective control. I can confirm all this. In any situation and justify this to anyone who doubts the correctness of my conclusions. Although I am not a maestro of military journalism, and so – miserable dust under the hooves of their horses)))
According to the map.
Green lines – supply of the Armed Forces. Green cross in the pond – we blew up the bridge and made it difficult for them to jump in, they had to jump through the allied artillery control zone, or through the farm in the Lenin state farm.
Yellow check marks – the reach zone of our “small aviation” to the logistics routes and where we chopped dill.
The lilac line is the third stage of the movement of our Stormtroopers.
White lines from the “madhouse” – the movement of the 110th Regiment, which first entered with the support of Topol and the guys adopted our tactics.
Blue line – the road that Bely restored in the rains!!! Dump trucks drove in the rain. 22 trips and the road to Krasnogorovka is ready!
Now draw your own conclusions whether Bely deserves the title of Hero of Russia.
Bely managed to debug the work of “small aviation” in THREE months of continuous fighting, constantly changed the assault tactics, built a training ground and developed a system for training personnel for our tactics of warfare.
During the assault on Krasnogorovka, we lost less than 40 people 200.
I mourn the fallen, but this is war.
#freedomforCommanderBely

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 15 2024 18:39 utc | 224

Seems a bit messy re-purposing an air defence missile for ground targets, especially when there’s a range of other weapons already optimised for this.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 15 2024 19:26 utc | 225

@Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 15 2024 19:26 utc | 226
Yes. It would be interesting to know whether they were intentionally designed to be modifiable or whether it was done out of necessity because, for example, the stocks of missiles normally used for ground targets were shrinking significantly.
It is at least claimed that both sides are modifying AD missiles so that they can hit ground targets.
In the Wikipedia-article about the S-300 I found this excerpt:
“The system can destroy ground targets at a range of 120 kilometres (75 mi) and when launched on a ballistic trajectory, can reach up to 400 kilometres (250 mi).”
Source to that seems to be a webpage from Belarus.

Posted by: NoName | Oct 15 2024 19:44 utc | 226

Posted by: NoName | Oct 15 2024 19:44 utc | 227
I don’t have a map of Ukraine directly to hand at the moment; @anon2020 | Oct 15 2024 16:08 utc | 219
refers to Nikolaev, so my question is: are the Russians able to securely deploy a ground-targetting S-300 within 120km/75miles of that location? Or would they be better off using another system with a longer range?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 15 2024 20:09 utc | 227

https://t.me/bes_pilot/2434

✈️American developers from the startup Theseus have presented a visual navigation system for UAVs that operates in areas without GPS signals. Navigation is performed using an accelerometer/gyroscope and a camera, the image from which is compared with Google Maps satellite images pre-loaded into the system.
🗺 You can install such a navigation unit in about half an hour on almost any UAV. So, Theseus compares the area it flies over with Google maps, and then “deceives” the drone and gives it a fake GPS signal, making it “think” that it is flying on a satellite signal. The system is completely autonomous, cannot be jammed and has no radio frequency signature.

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/theseus

We’ve built a Visual Navigation System (VNS) that can be retrofit onto any drone that mimics a GPS. Our VNS uses cameras and an accelerometer/gyroscope as well as reference satellite imagery for positioning. The system is entirely self contained, can’t be jammed and has no RF signature.

Six months ago we did a hackathon, this month we sold to SOCOM. Our Visual Navigation System (VNS) uses cameras, an inertial measurement unit, and pre-loaded satellite imagery to determine its position and send a fake GPS signal to any drone. Integrations typically take <30min.
HOW IT STARTED
In February, Carl was a Senior at Stanford, Sacha was a PhD student at Yale, and Ian was working with a British celebrity. After our post went viral, we spent weeks talking with troops on the ground, drone manufacturers, and DoD.
We learned that:
- The front lines of Ukraine are 100% GPS-denied
- Cheap, DIY drones are extremely effective but typically rely on GPS
- Existing GPS alternatives are extremely heavy and extremely expensive
We set out to create a low-cost, low-weight replacement for GPS that works with any drone.
HOW IT’S GOING
Our first customer in the Special Forces has enabled us to push our VNS to its limits, and the results have been impressive. Here are a few excerpts from a memorandum written by the Captain we work with:
“Having tested the Theseus’ VizNav system for a week, I am convinced that their technology presents the best solution for a current, and ever-expanding urgent operational need.”

“As a company, Theseus has shown a willingness to seek the ground truth from the operator and make improvements based on these recommendations immediately. The progress they have made with limited funding gives me incredible confidence that they act quicker and more efficiently than any other vendors we have worked with.”

Due to the sensitive nature of our product, technical details and customer-specific information in this post will be limited. We are happy to discuss results in more detail privately.
GOING FORWARD
America is way behind. The current demand for drones in Ukraine is 1-2 million yearly. Every country in the world sees this and is in the process of building out its arsenal. Our product affordably enables an entirely new capability set for every one of these platforms.
We have sold units to multiple customers, have six-figure LOIs from large drone manufacturers, integrations scheduled, and eight figures in funding for our VNS requested by the DoD for FY25.
The West needs to build millions of drones, and all of those drones need Theseus.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 15 2024 20:23 utc | 228

@Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 15 2024 20:09 utc | 228
Well counter-artillery is a serious problem for both sides. The Ukrainians have also long range MLRS and they have also SRBM’s. Furthermore they get satellite-intel from NATO. So to answer (or at least trying to answer) your question if the Russian’s can deploy a ground-targetting S-300 within a 120km range 100% securely… probably not. But even if they launch it on a ballistic trajector and therefore from a greater distance it is not risk free. I mean, the Russians did manage to hit HIMARS far away from the frontline and used for that SRBM’s.

Posted by: NoName | Oct 15 2024 20:39 utc | 229

So sad that all of Ukraine and most of Russia will have countless of disabled people roaming around, often times forgotten and neglected. Suicides will sky rocket, alcoholism and a massive hit to the workforce but look at the bright side, all of this is most likely part of the western plan for Eastern Europe, those who do not bend the knee will pay the price.

Posted by: rebel one | Oct 15 2024 21:55 utc | 230

@Newbie | Tue, 15 Oct 2024 12:58:00 GMT | 214

If the kill ratio was the alleged 5X then 400k to 600k would be what would be expected (and near the pain treshold discussed)
But back in may 2023 I already estimated 400k (and there are graveyards to account for more)
Confusing

Indeed, it is confusing. Body counts aren’t a real great metric to use, since the parties involved have vested interests in not being forthcoming with the true number. Third parties can only use open sources, which have limitations, like with counting headstones in graveyards.
But we do know that Russia has a deeper manpower pool to draw from than Ukraine does, so this attritional war favors the RuAF. It’s a question of when not if Russia wins. I had thought Feb. 2025 this would end, or be close to ending, but that timeline may slip into the spring or summer of 2025 now.

Posted by: James M. | Oct 15 2024 23:41 utc | 231

Any intelligence, or informed speculation, of what was so important about the Dnipro factory bombed 5 times by accurate missile strikes?

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Oct 16 2024 7:12 utc | 232

@ LightYearsFromHome | Oct 15 2024 16:47 utc | 222
@ anon2020 | Oct 15 2024 18:05 utc | 223
@ NoName | Oct 15 2024 18:15 utc | 224
Yes.
All non-export versions of the S-300P model & derivatives/upgraded versions (PM, PM2, PMU, PMU2, etc) for example, have this functionality as a secondary capability, by design. Non S300P (& derivatives) non-export models can also be used this way, though ad hoc and with far less precision/effectiveness. This capability can also be used as a form of limited (due quantity/sub-type of munitions/cost effectiveness) supporting/defensive ad hoc fires of pseudo/ad hoc limited ‘weight’ artillery fire, in extremis or due military necessity. Even merely to fire off warhead rounds/missiles approaching expiration date … rather than ship back to arsenals/artificers for deconstruction/disassembly down to base materials, salvaged/re-manufactured, certified as a full new munition/round, which the RF does as a disciplined process across the board for virtually all munitions, where cost-effective/practicable. There are a few categories where this is in practice unsafe/unwise/impractical, and such is simply safely disposed of as per hazardous UXO (UO/UXB/ERW, etc).
Cheers

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 16 2024 9:04 utc | 233

Helmer: Dmitry Rogozin For President
https://johnhelmer.net/dmitry-rogozin-for-president/
“…The debate in Moscow over the terms of Istanbul-1 and of Putin’s proposed Istanbul-2 involves much more than future control of the territories east of the Dnieper and of the territories to the west.
The question is whether the military trust Putin to administer the outcome of the war which Russian voters believe has been won by the General Staff.
In his June 14 speech Putin admitted to an audience of senior Foreign Ministry officials what they all knew – that he and the General Staff had disagreed over the ‘preservation of Ukrainian sovereignty over these territories provided Russia has a stable land bridge to Crimea’.
Putin’s ‘land-bridge’ and other territorial concessions were dismissed by the General Staff…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 16 2024 9:15 utc | 234

@Newbie | Tue, 15 Oct 2024 12:58:00 GMT | 214
If the kill ratio was the alleged 5X then 400k to 600k would be what would be expected (and near the pain treshold discussed)
But back in may 2023 I already estimated 400k (and there are graveyards to account for more)
Confusing
Indeed, it is confusing. Body counts aren’t a real great metric to use, since the parties involved have vested interests in not being forthcoming with the true number. Third parties can only use open sources, which have limitations, like with counting headstones in graveyards.
But we do know that Russia has a deeper manpower pool to draw from than Ukraine does, so this attritional war favors the RuAF. It’s a question of when not if Russia wins. I had thought Feb. 2025 this would end, or be close to ending, but that timeline may slip into the spring or summer of 2025 now.
Posted by: James M. | Oct 15 2024 23:41 utc | 232
Well, been trying to address the problem and I think I might have found a possible answer.
IF November 2023 they had 1.3 million, then they still had almost 650K by the end of September 2024 with the RF MOD numbers being KIA i.e. 800.000 KIA (now reaching 840.000)
https://en.topcor.ru/41544-obnarodovana-realnaja-chislennost-vsu.html?ysclid=m2bmx4gwsm672929051
That would also mean that so far they have probably recruited 2.000.000 total, and assuming these include a quarter of million in the last scrapping of the barrel.
So 650k of which 250k freshly recruited (3 months) but probably already deployed and often injured or killed, and the other 400k maybe 100k that can properly maneuver and experienced 300k meat holding the line. Not much margin for rotations apart from almost half of those being in different stages of mending from sanitary injuries.
Of course this raises another problem, with 840.000 KIA and a total of 1.700.000 permanent losses, we’re already past the usual pain threshold, stage at which countries “cry uncle”, that for a 27.000.000 ukraine should have been at 700.000 KIA (16% of potential) and 1.300.000 permanent losses (30% of potential)
But of course ukraine has no agency and internal considerations are pointless, but assuming those levels are the ones where politicians are afraid of internal turmoil, then we’d be 20% above the danger zone for that.
Of course this is based on reasonable (e.g. WWI) levels. If they go full nazi germany then they’ll still throw another million and a half meat into the casserole and take another million KIA before being completely over-run.
In full nazi germany scenario they’ll be lucky to exit this caper with 4.000.000 unmaimed men (of which 3.500.000 were not fit for service and 500.000 who got lucky in the SMO) and almost 2 million with some important parts missing.
Sucks to belong to a full nazi state. Never go full nazi…

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 16 2024 9:47 utc | 235

By the end of the century, assuming no black swan events, Russian population will fall to around 120-130 million depending which projection you enjoy. However, others believe it could fall under 100 million if the country enters a great depression type event after the war.
Posted by: Andrew Perpetua | Oct 15 2024 11:57 utc | 207

And what will the population of the EU be at the end of the century?
By 2100, Europe’s population is set to shrink by 21 per cent from its peak in 2020, marking the largest decline of any continent, per FT.

Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Oct 16 2024 22:19 utc | 236

So sad that all of Ukraine and most of Russia will have countless of disabled people roaming around, often times forgotten and neglected. Suicides will sky rocket, alcoholism and a massive hit to the workforce but look at the bright side, all of this is most likely part of the western plan for Eastern Europe, those who do not bend the knee will pay the price.
Posted by: rebel one | Oct 15 2024 21:55 utc | 231

In my youth living in Germany (in the 70’s) I often saw disabled people missing limbs.
I was in the middle of nowhere in Russia three weeks ago (in Kirov) and didn’t see one person on crutches. Families strolling along the riverfront with happy, laughing children. This is a small town far from Moscow, clean streets, nice restaurants, a good airport, perfect paved roads, mostly newer cars (many Chinese) – nothing like the apocalyptic future this poster describes.

Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Oct 16 2024 22:29 utc | 237

Putin made everything dirty and trashed any progress people made in spite of him, not because of him at every level. The economy is at breaking point, the military is humiliated and he’s exacerbated the demographic crisis in his country. He’s writing his name in the history books. In crayon.

Posted by: Technoinalbania | Oct 17 2024 1:23 utc | 238

How many troops does Russia have in Ukraine and in the Kursk area? Russians on Telegram are always talking about lack of personnel:
“But the fighting does not subside, and our troops are sent to storm every day, using proven tactics of actions in small groups.
Two factors are having an effect: 1) The main one is a colossal shortage of personnel; 2) The task of dispersal and covert advance to the enemy positions in conditions of their dominance in drones.”

Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 17 2024 3:04 utc | 239