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October 13, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-245

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Seems the ship Shui Spirit hit in Odessa a couple days ago was carrying depleted uranium, the vid cites Sergei Lebedev as the source which adds cred:
BREAKING: A Nuclear Mini Explosion Took Place in ODESSA after an ISKANDER Missile Struck a NATO Ship
Wonder what the DU shells were for, or if they’ve been using them all along, I figured after the big mushroom cloud of supposedly radioactive dust in Khmelnytskyi in 2023 that was the end of DU in Ukraine. There’s really no tank on tank battles these days of wall to wall drones so not really sure what the need is for DU, maybe the French are garrisoning Odessa or NATO is preparing for the Russians to cross the Dnieper. Not really sure what will be firing the DU, Germany just nixed any more Leopards, Abram’s and Centurions have gone to the giant scrapheap in tank heaven or sank in the mud all the way down to hell, maybe some RPGs, artillery, and drones have DU warheads? Anyone know?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 14 2024 1:21 utc | 101

Maybe part of the Russian strategy is patience based on the assumption (a correct one) that the U.S. will abandon Ukraine. That abandonment is important for Russia to win the peace with however few normal people are left in Ukraine when the conflict ends. Ukrainians have to understand that they were used. Maybe Putin is such a committed democrat that he believes it’s the Ukrainians responsibility to rid themselves of Zelensky, Banderites and Americans.

Posted by: Lex | Oct 14 2024 1:25 utc | 102

Posted by: Lex | Oct 14 2024 1:25 utc | 102
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Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 14 2024 1:33 utc | 103

1917 and Anonimous are like a chiken and a pug discussing how a farmer should cook his poultry and his pork, and claiming that they know it better than him.

Posted by: Bim | Oct 14 2024 1:39 utc | 104

Jeeeez! Kyiv has lost 1m soldiers?
Posted by: Jesper in London | Oct 14 2024 0:52 utc | 99
Not heard that one Jesper. Probs a bit less than that. Not sure where your figures are from. I’d go with between 65-800,000

Posted by: snevetS kcoJ | Oct 14 2024 2:35 utc | 105

DS Map intel just dropped.
https://deepstatemap.live/en/#7/48.9044488/31.7175293
10.5 kmsq and thus a small day. Well under pace of SEP. Similar to previous OCT days. All pro RFA news. No big strategic changes, just pecking away. Except perhaps in Kursk.
Kind of long to analyze because of the various small advances.
S to N:
1. About 3.5 kmsq in the fields S of Zolata Nyva (which is on the line of villages E of Vuhledar). No advance in the gray, just conversion to red. But to give DS credit, this is not long held gray and not that deep a pocket.
2. About 3.5 kmsq in the fields N of Vuhledar. I have been disappointed that the fall of that town, did not lead to a big crack. Even just taking the fields near the town has seemed to take a while. All that said, it does show progress, which never could have occurred before the “hinge” town was taken. And RFA is now about halfway from Vuhledar to Bohoiavlenka (next town N).
3. No acreage, but large gray zone move S of Tsukuryne to the NW of Ismailivka (or NE of Novoselydivka). Kind of strategic in that it menaces Hirnyk with encirclement.
4. About .5 kmsq in Tsukuryne. Nearly all the town is in the red now, excepting the farm/industry to the W of it. And even that is in the gray now. Large movement of the gray. So perhaps they get a big kmsq gain in a couple days when DS converts that gray to red.
5. Three small advances in the Chasov Yar area, none in the town proper.
a. About 1 kmsq in fields E of Ivanivske. A road crossing was taken. Real advance (gray zone moved). Mildly strategic in that it could precede a move to envelope Chasov Yar from the S. Lot more needs to develop to get close. And we will see if RFA follows up or not. But it at least menaces such a possibility.
b. About 0.5 kmsq in fields SW of Kalynivka. Mostly a gray conversion.
c. About 1.5 kmsq in fields S of Hryhorivka. A real advance, with gray moving. Had been speculated months ago that they might move in this direction and start hoovering up territory on the E side of the canal, in the area N of Chasov Yar. Finally seeing a bit of it. Have to see if it continues or not. Hryhorivka is more menaced as well, with Russians in broader front to S flank of that small village.
6. Large advance of RFA (both gray and control) in the vicinity of Korenovo. UFA is still sort of in a salient, but it sort of appears that they are in the process of withdrawing that whole tentacle NW of the Lybi-Novoiv line. Probably just need another day or two to complete it, given the amount of area. Interestingly the strange surrounded RFA in Kremanoe is now no longer encircled, but connected to rest of RFA forces. [No kmsq credited, as I don’t credit the Ukrops in AUG with the territory either. And Russians need to get to par with having their own land controlled…no credit for getting some of it back. If they drive across the border towards Sumy? I will credit that.]

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 14 2024 2:47 utc | 106

Maybe part of the Russian strategy is patience based on the assumption (a correct one) that the U.S. will abandon Ukraine. That abandonment is important for Russia to win the peace with however few normal people are left in Ukraine when the conflict ends. Ukrainians have to understand that they were used. Maybe Putin is such a committed democrat that he believes it’s the Ukrainians responsibility to rid themselves of Zelensky, Banderites and Americans.
Posted by: Lex | Oct 14 2024 1:25 utc | 102

A committed democrat? How about a realist. Russia took this strategy after giving the Saakashvili regime in Georgia a well-deserved military thrashing in August of 2008. It’s a kind of political wisdom to let others come to the correct conclusions … however long it takes. It’s a kind of respectful “face-saving” that takes time.
And guess what? It took a while, but the Georgians themselves held the tie-chewing war criminal responsible for the conflict. Furthermore, now, a decade and a half later and, despite the endless US/NATO attempts at a colour revolution in Georgia, the elected government in that country understands pretty well about the necessity and benefit of good relations with the Russian Federation. That’s quite impressive, don’t you think?
Kudos to Russian political leaders that had the patience to manage things in such a way.
Having noted that, a lengthy war of over 2 years and counting probably has to be managed differently. AFAIK, e.g., in 2008 the Russian military basically withdrew from Georgian territory. That is not going to happen this time; 4 Oblasts and Crimea voted to join the RF so this is very different.

Posted by: N.Hanrahan | Oct 14 2024 3:26 utc | 107

Posted by: N.Hanrahan | Oct 14 2024 3:26 utc | 107
Yes, the Georgia case is instructive.
My prediction has long been that Ukraine will split in 2025 or 2026 into multiple regions under control of local oligarchs working with rebel brigade commanders (or maybe enlisted men who kill all their patriotic Galician officers), and with Russian financial lifeline (because Ukraine is going broke as soon as EU turns off the money spigot). Then many years of low intensity fighting while Russia finishes demilitarizing Galicia.
Galicia+ region (everything west of Kyiv or maybe west of Zhytomyr/Vinnitsia) eventually becomes independent and joins EU (but not NATO) and becomes reasonably prosperous, maybe level of Slovakia, because they still have power from 2 nuclear plants plus gas/oil transit fees from Russia and Lviv still intact.
Rump Ukraine (including Kyiv) told to wait for EU membership and the wait is endless because rump Ukraine is an agricultural superpower and thus threat to rest of EU farmers, plus rump is totally bankrupt and full of pensioners and crippled war veterans who would suck EU dry of welfare money. Eventually, rump Ukraine gets tired of waiting and joins Russia-China block. This will be 20 years from now and rump Ukraine will have a population of under 10 million and be primarily agricultural/mining, with the industrial sector still in ruins.

Posted by: anonposter | Oct 14 2024 5:02 utc | 108

@23. “I said 100 times.
By just destroying 750 KV electrical equipment Russia can end this war immediately. Without killing people.”
Blurting stuff out repeatedly doesnt mean it makes sense or is credible.
Maybe Russian leaders live in the real world and realize they will be the ones who have to rebuild the country and the grid.
“Without killing people” seriously? On the cusp of winter removing any hope of even intermittent power wont kill people? only on your planet.

Posted by: Yarpos | Oct 14 2024 5:12 utc | 109

“At the current rate of ~500 km^2 of territory taken a month, Russia will take over the whole of Ukraine some time in the early 22nd century. Yes, you read that correct.”
Based on movements until March 1943, how many centuries would it take the Russians to get to Berlin? Don’t forget to factor in the Battle of Kursk.
Posted by: Neven | Oct 13 2024 22:07 utc | 75

See above. Germany was getting supplies from all of Europe, but only France, Belgium the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway were on its western side. As the Soviets moved east, they took over territories that Germany used to supply its war effort, and thus the collapse accelerated.

Aha, so you admit that basing Soviet post-1943 progress on pre-1943 territorial gains would not work. Why then would you do that now? Saying that “At the current rate of ~500 km^2 of territory taken a month, Russia will take over the whole of Ukraine some time in the early 22nd century” just sounds silly. Sure, conditions now are different from those in 1943, but nobody can predict what will happen. Or say exactly what it is that the Russians can do and want to do.

Posted by: Neven | Oct 14 2024 7:43 utc | 110

“nuclear explosion from DU”
indirectly Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 14 2024 1:21 utc | 101
Trash.
Danger from DU is up front based on impact creating poisonous fine dust.
( residual alpha radiation is just the topping.)
which again is more effective in an arid climate.

Posted by: MAKK | Oct 14 2024 7:49 utc | 111

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 16:19 utc | 14
then let’s take him at his word
“…Instead of calling people trolls and paid shills, it would be a good idea to present a factual refutation of what is being presented as objective facts.…”
Posted by: 1917 | Oct 12 2024 14:09 utc | 150

Well here we go. Apparently, a F-16 shot down a Su-34. I realize it’s Newsweek reporting it but they are getting the story from Russian Telegram channels …

based on this FAKE he must continue to drool…
not even ukr. sources claim that !!!
https://ukranews.com/en/news/1040926-russian-su-34-fighter-could-be-shot-down-by-f-16-isw
Russian Su-34 fighter could be shot down by F-16 — ISW

as a footnote:
this Journaille added another lie
“…Recall that the russian blogger Fighterbomber published an obituary about the crew of the Su-34 fighter without providing details of his death…”

his source of choice for downed russian planes — fighter_bomber write that there isn’t a downed Su-34
but of course he does not use this source in this case

https://t.me/s/fighter_bomber — 13.10.2024 — edited 08:29
Your subscribers. This is the third year of the war. A war not only on the battlefield, but also on the Internet. Both ours and not ours are fighting for your, in some places, fragile brains. And just like on the battlefield, somewhere someone succeeds in winning and someone fails.
All “authoritative”, “verified”, “official” and “honest” sources have been out in the garden a long time ago. They either brazenly piss in your ears or don’t tell you the whole truth, or don’t tell you anything at all.
It’s different in all cases. Someone gets money for pure lies, someone does not tell the whole truth in the languid hope not to sit down.
That’s the way it is.
Of course, tg channels are divided into real and fake ones. The Khokhls pretend to be patriots of Russia and by faking channels like Samaya Rossiya Rossiya or, there, for fair justice, etc. And we do exactly the same. It’s not normal, it’s a given that we have to accept.
Nobody shot down our Su-34. Especially not a pissed F-16 with pussies at the wheel, which has been hunted by everyone since it appeared in Ukraine.
Our fighters in an attempt to reach it often violate all available instructions and directives, and only persuasions of OBUins and KP lead them out of risky approaches to attack.
The Khokhls know it very well, that’s why F-16s fly exclusively for tiktoks, not actually participating in combat operations, at most trying to ram another Geran in the deep rear.
This is also a given.
Our airplanes are at war, but we do not always lose them to enemy fire or our own. In most cases, equipment (and crews) are lost due to failures, incorrect crew actions or loss of orientation in space.
Sometimes airplanes and helicopters have to attack and evade enemy missiles without seeing anything but instruments, which do not always show correct information. At night, in the clouds, at tremendous speeds and overloads.
Not all our crews are aces, there are young crews, there are recent graduates, there are insufficiently trained or untrained crews. There are a lot of different factors that can lead to an airplane or helicopter crash.
So observe information hygiene, don’t take information from any fucking channels, especially Western media, and most importantly, don’t help them in their war for your brains. Don’t spread shit to your friends, family and relatives.
The classic question “What about Su-34/Ka-52/Su-25?” in 90% of cases is asked by Khokhls. It is so that you start looking for information on various resources and, failing to find a direct answer on the reliable ones, start looking for it in garbage dumps. And finally, having found it, began to carry it further yourself.
Therefore, I have for such questions immediately goes ban.
Citizens, be vigilant and observe information hygiene!

Posted by: ghiwen | Oct 14 2024 7:52 utc | 112

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Two Majors #Summary for the Morning of 14 October 2024; 06:57 (GMT+3)⚡️
🔹In the #Kursk region, the liberation from the Nazis continues. The RFAF’s ‘North Troops Grouping’ reports that as a result of the offensive by our units, the village of #TolstyLug, where the AFU were detaining more than 70 civilians, including small children, as hostages, has been liberated. There are also advances in the areas of the #Novoivanovka and #Plekhovo settlements. During the assault operations, up to 80 militants, 2 mortars and 1 AFV were destroyed. The enemy launched two unsuccessful counterattacks in the area of #NizhnyKlin, #ZelenyShlyakh and #CherkasskayaKonopelka. Up to a battalion of AFU militants remains encircled near #Lyubimovka. In the Glushkovsky district, the RFAF are reporting successes in the border village of #NovyPut.
🛡From the #Belgorod border, they reported defeating the enemy west of #Zhuravlyovka, where the AFU had been active. On the territory of the region, the AFU attacked the village of #Otradnoye in Belgorod district with the help of UAVs, a civilian was killed. In the village of #Petrovka, Belgorod district, a kamikaze drone attacked a moving vehicle, 2 self-defence fighters were wounded, the population of #Petrovka was evacuated by the decision of the operational headquarters of 8 October 2024.
🔹In the #Pokrovsk direction, the RF MoD reported that units of the ‘Centre Troops Gouping’ 👉 liberated the #DPR settlement of #Mikhaylovka (east of #Selidovo) as a result of decisive actions. The Victory Banner has been erected in the western part of #Tsukurino and the village has been liberated. Our attacks in the direction of #Mirnograd continue, with reports of the capture of enemy positions in front of the town. To the south, fighting in the area of #Zhelannoye2nd.
🔹In the #Kurakhovo direction, north of #Ugledar, they report about the continued pressure from several sides in the direction of #Bogoyavlenka, where the enemy is seriously entrenched.
🔹On the #Zaporozhye front, the RFAF have rushed to take #Levadnoye in Pologovsky district (15 km west of the road to #Vremyevka).🗺👆The reason for the collapse of the AFU defence on this section of the front, enemy military channels called the lies of Ukrainian officers about ‘readiness’ to repel attacks of the Russian Army.
💥In the #DPR, in #Gorlovka, a man born in 1962 was injured when an IED was dropped from an AFU UAV and received the necessary medical care.

https://t.me/two_majors/33707

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2024 8:12 utc | 113

🇷🇺🇺🇦 Kursk Direction: Battles in Sudzha District and Incident near Zeleny Shlyakh
Situation as of the end of October 13, 2024
In the Kursk Direction, Russian forces are engaged in fierce battles in the area of Lyubimovka. At the same time, the fire strike on the enemy’s infrastructure in Sumy Region continues unabated.
🔻In Glushkovo District, Russian forces are trying to dislodge Ukrainian formations from Novy Put, located on the border with the so-called Ukraine. Several counterattacks by the AFU have also been repelled.
🔻In Korenevo District, the battle for Lyubimovka continues. According to some reports, the enemy has already left the village. Several AFU attacks from Tolsty Lug and towards Pokrovskoye have been repelled.
🔻The Internet is actively discussing statements about the allegedly unlawful “execution” of Ukrainian prisoners of war in Sudzha District. South of Zeleny Shlyakh, Russian forces, during a clearing operation of a stronghold at the intersection of roads, eliminated enemy UAV operators who, according to Ukrainian speakers, “fought to the last round”.
❗️In the context of battles with occupation forces in the “old” part of Russia, which are even officially declared as terrorists in the briefings of the Russian Ministry of Defense, members of Ukrainian formations, perhaps, should not have expected anything else. Moreover, UAV operators are always a priority target for fire strikes for both sides, so their elimination is justified.
▪️In the northwest of Sudzha District, the Russian Armed Forces delivered a series of artillery strikes on enemy positions in Russkoye Porechnoye, and the configuration of the front line in Cherkasska Konopelka has been clarified.
North of Martynivka, near the settlement of Kruhlyk, Russian UAV operators struck AFU positions. Thus, the forest belt south of the village is currently held by Ukrainian formations.
The actions of ground forces are supported by the Russian Aerospace Forces, striking enemy strongholds and personnel concentration areas. Here, a tank and a pickup truck of the enemy were recently struck by drone strikes on fiber-optic cables.
▪️In the sky over Sudzha and its surroundings, more than a dozen cases of Ukrainian interceptor drones shooting down Russian reconnaissance drones have been recorded in recent days. So far, UAV losses do not lead to significant consequences on the battlefield, but the increase in the number of effective strikes on Russian UAVs in several areas should be taken into account.
▪️In Sumy Region, Russian forces are striking various enemy targets both in the administrative center and beyond. For example, in the area of Kiyanytsya, Sumy Region, a missile strike was delivered from the Iskander OTRK on the position of the Vampire MLRS.

https://t.me/rybar_in_english/18464

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2024 8:14 utc | 114

Kursk direction on the morning of 14.10.24: preliminary results…
Despite the fact that the weather makes its own adjustments and elements of muddy roads, fierce battles in the Kursk region do not stop.
On the contrary, the Russian Armed Forces use the weather factor to their advantage.
For example, our attack in the Cherkasskaya Konopelka area was successful, among other things, because this very factor was used. And more than a week before that, we could not even approach the enemy’s positions.
The same is in the north. The wheeled vehicles of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are often unable to pass along the dirt roads of the Kursk region, and this disrupted the enemy’s plans for counterattacks during the key battles to unblock Lyubimovka.
And this also does not allow the enemy to normally carry out rotations and supply their garrisons.
Just to understand, our success in the southern part of the Glushkovsky district was largely due to the fact that we were able to deprive the enemy of supplies. His strongholds did not receive reinforcements and ammunition for days. As a result, they “fell.” And new enemy attacks here, even taking into account the involvement of tank forces, failed (now you can only attack along the roads).
Etc.
Our supply situation is much simpler. In addition, as a result of the latest successful offensive actions, we have largely freed ourselves from dependence on supplies across the Seim River (via pontoon crossings, which the enemy regularly took out).
And all this (plus the concentration of a superior group) gives us results.
Yesterday we completed the destruction of the encircled group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Lyubimovka and Tolstoy Lug. Also, the remnants of the enemy garrison in Olgovka were practically destroyed.
All this allowed us to deploy battles for Darino and thereby begin an offensive to the south in the direction of Sverdlikovo.
Our offensive battles are already underway in Novoivanovka and Malaya Loknya. Enemy garrisons to the north are gradually being pulled back to the south.
And the battles for Mikhailovka, located to the east of Sudzha, may in the foreseeable future gradually develop into battles for this regional center itself.
But the most important thing is not even this. The fact is that the difficult situation in other parts of the front does not allow the enemy to transfer new forces here. And this means that the final outcome of the battles in Kursk is predetermined.
We keep our fingers crossed and pray for the guys.

https://t.me/yurasumy/18544

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2024 8:16 utc | 115

… Western currency counterfeiting in an attempt to maintain things just brings a wider downfall closer.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2024 21:02 utc | 61

So long as you’ll be standing by your assessment, which is falsified if there is no near term collapse, as with expired versions of the same argument.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 9:05 utc | 116

Consigning Ukraine to Hospice Care
Spooked by the spectre of an Iran-Israel War, the US moves to cut its losses in Ukraine. As they come to terms with their loss in Ukraine, Western leaders will now face the five stages of grief.
https://www.beyondwasteland.net/p/consigning-ukraine-to-hospice-care

Posted by: KevinB | Oct 14 2024 9:07 utc | 117

which is falsified if there is no near term collapse
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 9:05 utc | 116

Inevitably soonish

Reserve Requirements
As announced on March 15, 2020, the Board reduced reserve requirement ratios to zero percent effective March 26, 2020. This action eliminated reserve requirements for all depository institutions.
ref ==> https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/reservereq.htm

Posted by: too scents | Oct 14 2024 9:17 utc | 118

People on X, say Russians executed a group of captured Ukrainian drone operators in Kursk. What is the truth to this?

Posted by: Rune Denmark | Oct 14 2024 10:05 utc | 119

Информация о заходе и тем более закреплении наших войск на окраины Суджи пока не соответствует действительности. Уже рядом, но пока еще не там.
Information about the entry and even more so the consolidation of our troops on the outskirts of Sudzha is not yet true. Already nearby, but not there yet.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/140738

Posted by: guest | Oct 14 2024 10:09 utc | 120

Our source explains why undertreated Ukrainian soldiers are forced to return to duty.
The reason is that the Office of the President has created such a financial system that after being wounded, concussed, you are immediately transferred to the “staff” for a salary of $20-30 (800-1200 hryvnia), which you can’t even exist on. Not to mention being treated. The soldiers call this Zelensky’s “care” for the heroes.
This scheme was personally invented by Yermak in order to use the manpower “quickly” and at 100%. As the source says, a soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has two paths: either you are a corpse, or a complete invalid without legs, arms, half of your organs, etc. Only in this case are you discharged from the army and paid the required benefits.
The goal was to reduce the burden on the budget, since there are already more than 500 thousand disabled military personnel, but 70% of them cannot receive this status due to bureaucracy and “kickbacks”. So they are forced to return to service in order to at least earn pennies somewhere for their existence and treatment.
This is also one of the reasons why hatred towards Zelenskyy’s government is growing in the army. In the corridors on Bankova, this message is “covered” as follows: “these walking dead do not live long, and therefore do not pose any threat to the government.”

https://t.me/legitimniy/18851

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2024 10:17 utc | 121

In the Kursk direction, Ukrainian troops were driven out of Lyubimovka, the remnants of the Ukrainian Armed Forces group are fighting west of Lyubimovka (in the wooded floodplain of the Snagost River) and Tolstoy Lug. This entire territory is already in the “gray zone”, and the remnants of the Ukrainian garrison are trying to break through to Novodmitrovka-Leonidovka. At the same time, Russian offensive battles are already underway in Novoivanovka.
To the south, the Russian Armed Forces attacked Nizhny Klin and Darino, trying to break through to the south in the direction of Sverdlikovo.
In Kushchina, the Ukrainian troops are experiencing many problems due to the autumn thaw, which the Ukrainian military complains about. Aidar fighter Stanislav Bunyatov writes that rainy weather interferes with the work of drones and military equipment.
“In the rain, our drones cannot work effectively. “The tracked vehicle can still move while the ground is not too wet, but the wheeled vehicle gets stuck pretty well. You can’t replace artillery with drones, and neither can you replace mining,” he said.

https://t.me/the_military_analytics/21212

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2024 10:19 utc | 122

I’ve heard from unspecified sources that a thing has happened. What is the truth of that thing?

Posted by: boneless | Oct 14 2024 10:32 utc | 123

https://www.economist.com/briefing/2024/09/26/ukraine-is-on-the-defensive-militarily-economically-and-diplomatically
Ignoring the usual “six Russian casualties to one Ukrainian” blether, The Globalist:
“whereas most of the Russian troops have signed up voluntarily for generous pay, Ukraine is relying ever more on conscription. Officers complain that many of those drafted into service are ill-suited to fighting: too old, too ill, too drunk. There is no clear path out of the army once in it, which makes being mobilised seem like a one-way ticket to the morgue. Some 5-10% of soldiers on active duty are absent without leave. The authorities are prosecuting lots of deserters, but they do not command as much fear as Mr Putin’s regime. Fewer than 30% of Ukrainians consider draft-dodging shameful, according to an opinion poll. These problems have been exacerbated to some extent by Ukraine’s incursion into the Russian province of Kursk, which began in August. Although this offensive reaffirmed Ukraine’s capacity to seize the initiative, outsmart Russian forces and embarrass Mr Putin, it also extended the front lines and stretched Ukraine’s supply-lines. It has not prompted Russia to slow its offensive in Donetsk, as hoped, although some Russian forces have been diverted to Kursk’s defence. And it has reduced the resources available for the defence of Pokrovsk”
“On the face of things, most Ukrainians are equally confident and combative. Almost three-quarters tell pollsters that military victory remains possible. Only 9% say they would accept an end to the fighting that simply cements the current front lines without any other concessions.But these figures disguise a growing generational rift. Those older than 60, who do not risk being drafted, are much more gung-ho about the war than the young: 54% of them believe that Ukraine is winning, compared to 31% of those between 18 and 25. By the same token, 60% of the elderly say Ukraine must continue fighting until all its territory is liberated, compared to only 40% of 18- to 25-year-olds. What is more, the number of Ukrainians who say they would be willing to cede territory to Russia under certain conditions has been rising steadily. The share willing to accept the current front lines rises to 38% if Ukraine were admitted to the European Union and given funds for reconstruction. If Ukraine were admitted to nato as well, 47% would be willing to accept the current front lines. And fully 57% would be ready to make peace if Ukraine regained control of the occupied parts of Zaporizhia and Kherson regions, while ceding control over Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk.”
The chances of current front lines plus Ukraine in NATO must be very near zero.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 10:41 utc | 124

Re drone operators – my recollection of WW2 history is that snipers on both sides got pretty short shrift if captured, could it be that something similar is developing with drone operators?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 10:44 utc | 125

@ YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 10:44 utc | 125
Artillery crews, snipers and now drone operators are in the same boat, yes. Donbas militias in particular have been keeping a score on those particular crews killing civilians. Still, majority survive the capture. Regular prisoner exchanges keep things from turning barbaric, even on some the AFU side.

Posted by: boneless | Oct 14 2024 10:55 utc | 126

People on X, say Russians executed a group of captured Ukrainian drone operators in Kursk. What is the truth to this?
Posted by: Rune Denmark | Oct 14 2024 10:05 utc | 119
Nobody can answer you that question, because there is no proof of it.
I could tell you it‘s not true or I could tell you it‘s true. My source is in both ways: „trust me bro“

Posted by: NoName | Oct 14 2024 11:10 utc | 127

Inevitably soonish …
Posted by: too scents | Oct 14 2024 9:17 utc | 118

I don’t want to get too far off the point, which is the often voiced belief that limits to Ukrainian mobilisation capacity will lead to a near term Ukrainian military collapse, and onto nebulous economic arguments that are broadly relevant but almost certainly not near term as far Ukraine’s ability to provide warm bodies if the U.S. continues to demand it.
You won’t find anyone even half credible in the entire Russian sphere who claims that mobilisation is a near term limit to continued Ukrainian military action. Everyone’s learned their lesson multiple times over from the same arguments sounding plausible in the past, anyone who now covers the subject is cautionary, I’ve cross-posted plenty of remarks to that effect. There’s no certainty either way but these claims of near term mobilisation failure are foolish on both historical and actuarial grounds.
Rybar and Two Majors, read via Chrome machine translation, are a minimum inoculation against wishful narrative elements that are specific to the slightly odd parallel universe of the pro-RF anglophone sphere.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 11:16 utc | 128

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 23:53 utc | 88
You should read those 3 books ; The Art of War, the Prince , On War. Much more useful than your actual reading of “the power of propaganda”.

Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 14 2024 11:27 utc | 129

There’s no certainty either way but these claims of near term mobilisation failure are foolish on both historical and actuarial grounds.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 11:16 utc | 128

The eventual forced expulsion of Ukrainian refugees into conscription will scar Europe, move the conflict further West and create deeper demands for resolution.
The war is lost but it can still be loster.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 14 2024 11:35 utc | 130

125 – Snipers have sometimes received short shrift if captured in war, flamethrower operatives in several wars have been burned to death with their own flamethrowers if caught. In WW1 at least, captured artillerymen were sometimes killed out of hand because enemy infantry resented the casualties they caused.
Drone operators being caught in the act and being killed is a possibility. I wonder if operators on both sides wear distinctive insignia on their uniforms?

Posted by: Waldorf | Oct 14 2024 11:37 utc | 131

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/#post-colonelcassad-9437880
“They arrived and resolved not to leave Kursk Oblast”. Photos of a uniform with a Union Jack patch, a destroyed vehicle and several corpses.

Posted by: Waldorf | Oct 14 2024 11:52 utc | 132

Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 13 2024 18:09 utc | 38
Excellent !
It is probably even worse than that.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 14 2024 12:10 utc | 133

[…]
The ‘Chelyabinsk of the Future’ Telegram channel reports that since the start of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine
[…]
Source : https://t.me/ChelFuture/7361
Posted by: Chris O | Oct 13 2024 22:56 utc | 82

Darn it, they left the “full-scale invasion” tell-tale in there …

Posted by: pessoa | Oct 14 2024 12:46 utc | 134

Autumn means falling leaves, denuded trees, fog, mist, rain.
All bad ju-ju for a rag-tag occupying force with bad supply lines and no deep fortifications
The Kursk mis-adventure show gets canceled by December, I predict.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2024 13:03 utc | 135

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 11:16 utc | 128
I don’t doubt that Zelensky can keep scraping together bodies to go to the front. The question is, how effective will these “meat” replacements be?
We’re already seeing the signs of poor morale and lack of basic soldiering skills in Kursk. It sounds like the best troops ske-daddled outta there to help in other areas, like Pokrovsk and Selidovo. A reasonable move, as the Kursk gambit clearly failed and all that remains is to clear it and take equipment from NATO back to Moscow for trophies.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2024 13:06 utc | 136

RUSSIA WILL REBUILD EVERYTHING DESTROYED IN DONBAS – PRESIDENT PUTIN.
Easy Peasy for Russia to do that as they don’t need to find the money. They are fully sovereign so create new money every time they spend/ buy something.
The very first thing he will do is place a rouble tax liability on the Donbas. So the population will have no choice but to sell goods and services or offer their employment to get hold of the roubles to extinguish the roubles tax liability imposed on them. The tax liability drives the currency.
Anything Putin wants to buy, he will order the Russian Central Bank to debit the Russian Treasury account at the central bank and transfer that to the supplier of what Putin wants to buy. That’s all he needs to do – forever and for as much as he wants to do that.
That causes an overdraft at the central bank which is an asset of the central bank, and that balances the new reserve liability created for the commercial bank of the supplier. That reserve liability at the central bank is an asset of the commercial bank, who then credits a new bank deposit for the supplier. The balance sheets of the central bank, and the commercial bank expand.
The supplier will accept roubles for its goods and services because it needs to pay its workers in roubles. The reason for that is because Putin imposes taxes in roubles on both the supplier and the workers, which if not paid earns them a spell in a jail. That’s all the ‘confidence’ Russia needs to impose on its people for them to accept roubles – a confident assertion, backed by force, that they will be jailed if they don’t pony up the relevant amount of roubles when they are demanded.
Those taxes are collected. Bank deposits are debited, and bank reserves transferred to the Treasury, which eliminates the overdraft asset and the balancing reserves at the central bank. The central bank balance sheet shrinks back down along with the commercial bank.
There is no need for interest payments. No need for ‘borrowing’. There is nobody who can say no. It all just happens and is perfectly self-sustaining throughout the entire area where Putin can impose his taxes.
By this mechanism, Russia has command over all the physical resources available within its border and can transfer them to the service of the state as required.
Putin can’t run out of keystrokes he can only run out of things to buy. So he has to make sure there are enough real resources and skills he can buy and the productive capacity is large enough to prevent inflation.
Those are the constraints to rebuilding the Donbas. Not finding the money or other myths like tax revenues from exports.
Putin will create roubles every time he spends and shred roubles every time he taxes. To ensure there is not too much demand for too few goods and services that may cause prices to rise.
Demand is desire backed by the ability to pay – which could just be a decent line in credit from a bank, since banks create money from thin air also.
Similarly the quantity of money in the economy according to the ‘money supply’ figures may not be causing any demand at all, because it is held by people as savings, either as a status symbol or as insurance against an uncertain future. They do not desire to spend their money. (See Japan for details).
Or it may be that the supplier simply runs out at the current price, in which case the demand remains unfulfilled and the money stays in the bank – introducing a mathematically intractable time delay into proceedings that mainstream cognitive dissonance appears permanently unable to detect.
The mainstream belief is that money can only be treated as static if it is exchanged for bonds paying a different interest rate. Until then all of it is permanently in motion – as though saving in a bank never happens. It’s a ridiculous notion at odds with the real world.
What we have here is the ’loanable funds’ belief creeping in by the back door. The crazy idea that some magical interest rate will arise that will balance savings and borrowings – such that all ‘money’ things will flow in a perfectly offset manner. That doesn’t happen in the real world where money is created and destroyed constantly via the actions of the financial system.
Dynamically, the usual state of affairs is that there is an excess of saving over borrowing by the private sector. That constant drain to savings has to be accommodated or the fiscal drag will collapse the economy. That accommodation tends to show up as less tax collected than government spends – budget deficits. Budget deficits have to meet the savings desires of the voters.
Should it ever switch around the other way, then the extra spending from savings will cause additional taxation to arise and a government surplus will appear, or, more likely, the savings will move abroad which will show up as increased imports and a widening trade deficit.
None of these things require a shortness of breath and an increased pulse rate. They are a natural consequence of the correct understanding of the monetary system.
Putin has this covered. Elvira Nabiullina not so much, she is an obstacle and should set the interest rate at zero. So she can see where the inflation comes from. Shortage of skills and real resources appears.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 14 2024 13:11 utc | 137

Tangentially related – are the current Chinese exercises around Taiwan
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/14/china-military-taiwan-drills-president-lai-national-day-speech
designed to see what the US will move given that they are currently involved with Ukraine and Israel and must be somewhat stretched?
If the US was heavily involved attacking Iran, a move on Taiwan might make sense. But time is on China’s side, every year they get stronger and then West weaker.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 13:25 utc | 138

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 14 2024 1:21 utc | 101
I can’t cant find the original post by Sergei Lebedev stating elevated radiation levels, here’s what I’ve got so far.
https://t.me/intelslava/68143

(9th) 🇺🇦A ship with military cargo was hit by two missiles in the port of Ilyichevsk. We are waiting for specifics on the contents and damage.

https://t.me/intelslava/68149

(10th)🇺🇦” Iskander” hit a ship arriving from Romania in the port of Odessa
The container ship Shui Spirit, flying the Panamanian flag, sailed to Odessa from the Romanian port of Constanta, a transit point for NATO weapons to Ukraine. The ship was unloaded far from regular ships, observing all safety precautions.
After the missile landed, a secondary detonation occurred at the unloading site. It is reported that as a result of the explosions, two boats of the Ukrainian border service sank, five Ukrainian soldiers and two GUR militants who were monitoring the unloading were wounded. And, apparently, we are talking about the destruction of something very important to the enemy.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 13:41 utc | 139

“Closer to the front” and in violation of international law: New NATO headquarters in Rostock
October 14, 2024 1:49 p.m.
Command Task Force Baltic is the name of NATO’s new headquarters in Europe, which the alliance plans to open in Rostock in October. The reason given – who would have thought it – is fear of Russia.
“Closer to the front” and in violation of international law: New NATO headquarters in RostockSource: http://www.globallookpress.com © Bernd Wüstneck/dpa
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Rostock is to become the seat of a new NATO headquarters. The Command Task Force Baltic is to be attached to the German Navy’s operations and command center there. All operations in and over the Baltic Sea are to be controlled from there in the future, writes the Ostsee-Zeitung:
“For this purpose, soldiers from all neighboring countries will be transferred to the Warnow.”
If true, the point about soldiers from the neighboring states violates both the Two Plus Four Treaty and the Unification Treaty.
The latter is against the Two Plus Four Treaty insofar as the Two Plus Four Treaty is a mandatory prerequisite for the Unification Treaty. The Two Plus Four Treaty expressly prohibits the relocation of foreign troops to the territory of the former GDR and their stationing there. According to experts, even the transfer of foreign troops through East German territory violates this.
Analysis
Baltic Sea blockade against Russia: Self-destructive boldness bordering on the absurd
The reason given for setting up the new headquarters is Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine and Russia’s allegedly increasingly aggressive behavior towards the NATO states on the Baltic Sea. In reality, however, it was the states themselves whose political and military establishment has repeatedly come forward in the recent past with proposals for a military blockade of Russian Baltic Sea ports.
A NATO base, which is currently being built on the grounds of the Warnowwerft naval arsenal in Warnemünde, could potentially serve such purposes: This logistical hub is intended to enable soldiers and military supplies to be moved quickly at any time – to Scandinavia, but also to the entire Baltic region, writes the Ostsee-Zeitung.
The fact that THE WEST, ahead of all Berlin as a slave of the USA, is trampling on the 2 + 4 Treaty shows once again what contracts with the West are worth when the disadvantaged contracting partner puts up with everything.

Posted by: ossi | Oct 14 2024 13:50 utc | 140

…The war is lost but it can still be loster.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 14 2024 11:35 utc | 130

Sure but it was lost from the outset by the same valid reasoning. Mobilisation capacity isn’t yet the limiting factor, the choice to prolong the conflict or not is still within the range of action open to U.S. decision makers.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 13:55 utc | 141

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 13 2024 21:38 utc | 69
I can’t agree. Allowing for the inevitable accidents and mistakes of war, I don’t see how else the Russians could have tackled this conflict. Failing a settlement is had to be attrition. All the way from almost the very beginning of the SMO. Still is. Their goal after the lightning strike at the very beginning – a strike that we in the West simply failed to notice, would you believe! – was to attrite the equipment and men we were able to throw at them.
They’re still doing that, by the way. Apart from Prighozin’s efforts, and those were very much a one-off, they’ve been husbanding their own forces and using their missile strikes and artillery to crumble ours.
It’s not been a walkover. The Ukrainian regulars are the best NATO has at its disposal, as said before. The Russians have taken casualties that I at least regard as heavy. But it’s been a cross between a slaughter fest and a demolition Derby for our side and will continue to be so as this war draws to its final stages. The obsessive in the West, and many in Russia too, who eagerly scour the mapping sites and say “Oh look. We’ve won a kilometre of territory here or lost it here” are missing the point entirely.
Ugly affair. We had no business putting the Ukrainians through it. I think we have lost the PR war as well. The horrors of Gaza have put the final touches to the destruction of our credibility in the eyes of the greater world outside the West. The loss of the sanctions war will damage the US and severely damage the already tottering European economies. We shall see a further flow of Ukrainian refugees into Europe, many of them ultra-nationalists who will, as in Canada, alter European political dynamics. And as Borrell said, we are shutting ourselves out from the wider global market whilst having lost the competitive edge that access to cheap fuel and raw materials gave us.
The point to be made, however, is that in examining this disaster we may not ignore reality. We may not attempt to alter the military reality to accord with our own views.
It’s not easy to set aside one’s own views on who is in the right in this war. I view it mainly from the point of view of those living in the Donbass after 2014. So I’m as irretrievably partisan as anyone else. Merely the mention of the Madonna of Gorlovka, or of the dogged resistance that makeshift collection of federalists put up in the early days, tells you exactly where I’m coming from. So when I see a video like this it rings true:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4QVsQ72kOg&t=1126s&ab_channel=EdMays
– and when I read or see accounts like this I believe them:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFynJY_SeKc&ab_channel=vanessabeeley
Others will regard such material as skilful propaganda and will come to this war from a quite different point of view. That the Russians mounted an unprovoked attack on a smaller country for the purpose of territorial expansion. Or that this war is merely the start of a Russian drive to dominate Europe.
So we all have those different views on who is in the right. But in examining the war itself, we have to set aside those views. My country didn’t win in the Falklands because we were in the right. It won because we defeated the troops the Argentinians put on the islands whether we were in the right or not. We could have lost, you know, and if we had that wouldn’t have been a verdict on the moral case for resisting the invasion. It would simply have been a verdict that we had insufficient military strength or had used it unskilfully.
At quite the other end of the scale, the Russians didn’t win in WWII because of the justice of their cause. They won because they had the stronger and better generalled army. In both cases, the justice of the cause is irrelevant except in so far as the various soldiers involved needed to believe they were in the right to keep morale up. But since in all wars the soldiers on either side believe they’re in the right we can ignore that factor altogether and focus cold-bloodedly solely on the mechanics of the war.
So we must do here. Never mind our various views – or prejudices if we so choose to term them! – in favour of one side or the other. God is on the side of the big battalions, if they’re used right, and our views on whose side He ought to be on are irrelevant.
Taking that approach in examining this war it’s difficult to avoid the conclusion that in this case the Russians have the big battalions and have been using them right. As Obama said way back, in this theatre they have “escalatory dominance”. As Trukhan pointed out recently, they knew how to use it. Whether they were in the right or not, and in spite of the fact that the majority of us in the West believe they weren’t, that’s how they won. That’s the military reality we have been ignoring for far too long and if we continue to ignore it, merely because we don’t happen to like it, we’re going to get ourselves more problems.
You can lose a war. We have. Pretending otherwise doesn’t work.

Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 14 2024 13:57 utc | 142

the Kursk gambit clearly failed and all that remains is to clear it and take equipment from NATO back to Moscow for trophies.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2024 13:06 utc | 136
It failed by any normal reasoning but I doubt the happy men behind the plan and Vicky had any brain like that. If it looks like a killing spree then it is that. It’s not the first, it’s basically the same since Maidan. Can you find the military or political logic for bombing Donbass or burning people in Odessa? How about dropping tens of thousands of petal mines or cluster bombs? It’s simple entertainment for Nato, kill and destroy. And it’s very easy to do it again though, the general staff in Russia is mostly virtual. MoD still hasn’t explained how 10k soldiers and hundreds of armored vehicles teleported in Kursk without being seen and then they even had time to organize concentration camps. And they will never explain because lord Shoigu and his partner sir Gerasimov will rule the country after Putin.

Posted by: rk | Oct 14 2024 14:26 utc | 143

I don’t doubt that Zelensky can keep scraping together bodies to go to the front. The question is, how effective will these “meat” replacements be? …
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2024 13:06 utc | 136

The quality and quantity of men and materiel available to AFU has deteriorated more or less consistently over time yet the UkroGolem continues to fight.
Depopulation appears to be a feature of U.S. strategy so the military effectiveness of freshly mobilised troops from this point on is neither here nor there, in all sympathy they’re already terrible, walking sandbags in many cases. For the mobilised, the Ukrainian side of the front is a death camp masquerading as a territorial defence.
Pulling better units out of Kursk makes sense because they can serve a backbone for tens of hundreds of times their own number in expendable mobiks down the line, collapse would be hastened by successfully wiping out experienced units that can hold the Ukrainian front together.
If a Ukrainian infantry collapse was imminent and U.S. planners wanted to buy time to prop up the Ukraine side they’d ramp up ballistic / cruise missile attacks to slow down Russian logistics. This issue of Ukraine supposedly approaching a mobilisation limit is not only bogus in isolation, it’s a factor that can be managed in other ways.
The discrepancy on this issue between the Russian language sphere and the parallel universe of anglophone simulacra is simply discrediting.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 14:37 utc | 144

@145
Depopulation might be a feature, but it’s best to remain skeptical that such a diabolical plan would be “consequence-free” for the latte-sippers in Brussels and DC.
For the record, I really don’t think they have a plan. I think events have spiralled out of control, and the NATO plan, if any existed, fell apart with first contact with the enemy back in 2022. Everything since has been managing the crisis.
I recommend Aurelien’s latest essay available at his substack:
https://aurelien2022.substack.com/
As events spiral, the West will increasingly just be “making it up as they go along.” There is still that last pool of 18-15-year-olds to mobilize in Ukraine, although many have likely fled the country. They were always the smallest cohort of all ages due to the fall of the Soviet Union, leading to severely depressed birthrates circa 1990-2006. The consequence of killing off that group will be dire. Those are the future reproducers and if they’re depopulated, Ukraine will become like Israel after the Romans trashed them – a diaspora without a homeland.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2024 14:58 utc | 145

Maybe part of the Russian strategy is patience based on the assumption (a correct one) that the U.S. will abandon Ukraine.
Posted by: Lex | Oct 14 2024 1:25 utc | 102
I liken it more to jui-juitsu. Western military are strikers … they like to throw kicks and punches with every combination comes the hope of spectacular Ko’s. Russians are grapplers who go to the mat and let their opponent struggle to exhaustion.
That being said it doesn’t mean that the Russians can’t hurt you with a punch … just that grappling is the chosen strategy for this enemy at this point in time.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Oct 14 2024 15:01 utc | 146

https://t.me/dva_majors/55036

How the destruction of Ukraine’s economy brings Victory closer
Today’s strikes on Odessa , which damaged the port infrastructure and damaged the NS Moon (Belize flag) ships🇧🇿) and Optima (flag Palau🇵🇼) showed the systematic nature of Russia’s actions. According to the Ukrainian side, over the past three months , 300 port infrastructure facilities , 177 vehicles and 22 commercial vessels have been damaged as a result of 60 attacks . As a result of our actions, according to Bloomberg , the price of insuring ships passing through the so-called ” alternative grain corridor ” in the Black Sea has increased by 0.25% (up to 1%) of the ship’s value. As a result, insurance for a ship worth $50 million will increase by $125,000 per voyage. In addition, wheat futures traded on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange rose by about 2.5% this week due to risks in the Black Sea . Further strikes will further worsen the economic attractiveness of Ukrainian agricultural products.
✨This is a clear example of how bold and unexpected actions for the enemy lead to a reduction in the economic potential of the enemy, and therefore the military one . We advocate the complete destruction of the Ukrainian economy by destroying any objects that affect the functioning of the terrorist country ( gas stations, housing and communal services facilities, agricultural fields, hydraulic structures, factories, plants, even private breweries ). Ukraine must become an unbearable burden for its Western masters, and then they will have less opportunity and desire to continue the war.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 15:03 utc | 147

Anyone have a view on the theory that Putin drops a tactical nuke on his own territory? ie Kursk and wipes out the invading army?

Posted by: Mark T | Oct 14 2024 15:18 utc | 148

anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 15:03 utc | 148
“even private breweries”
Surely a war crime that would live in infamy…

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 15:21 utc | 149

Anyone have a view on the theory that Putin drops a tactical nuke on his own territory? ie Kursk and wipes out the invading army?
Posted by: Mark T | Oct 14 2024 15:18 utc | 149

How big a nuke would you like to see used?
it is a sparsely populated region.
I expect the remaining UKR troops to be rather spread out.

Posted by: MAKK | Oct 14 2024 15:24 utc | 150

517,000 Ukie dead in SMO.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/126485
Posted by: Surferket | Oct 13 2024 22:51 utc | 81
This number is underevaluated.
Posted by: Naive | Oct 14 2024 0:26 utc | 95
Yes, the supposed number is 517,000. Newbie had some compelling calculations based on other evidence suggesting that the actual number is much higher.

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 14 2024 15:48 utc | 151

Now, Ukraine has punched a huge hole in the narrative of Russia’s “greatness.” Russia is poor, corrupt and authoritarian, and now we also know it is weak and pathetic. Russia’s “greatness” collapsed in an orgy of murder and rape inflicted by brutal occupiers in Ukraine. Stained by the blood of the innocent and defeated in fair combat, the bully was cut to size. It was about time. Thank you, Ukraine, for serving this bitter medicine. Russia needed it badly.
Russia needs a proper humiliation. It needs a humble acknowledgment of its diminished status, an acceptance of guilt, and a slow, painstaking effort to rebuild the trust of those he has harmed. Russia did not learn this lesson in the 1990s. It must learn it now.
True greatness is not in horrible military parades, nor in promises to unleash nuclear Armageddon. True greatness lies in acceptance of the past and the willingness to make amends. It is a commitment to building a better future, in a country that could become known for its schools and hospitals, not its tanks and missiles.
The true source of Russia’s humiliation has always been Russia itself: its arrogant, autocratic rulers and the chauvinistic population that slavishly worships them. Russia’s defeat in this unjust and criminal war against Ukraine could help change the domestic narrative in Russia to accept the country for what it truly is, rather than what it vainly pretended to be. Only then can Russia finally be at peace with itself and its neighbors.

Posted by: Alexandre M | Oct 14 2024 15:50 utc | 152

Posted by: Alexandre M | Oct 14 2024 15:50 utc | 155
LOL @ you

Posted by: Caveman | Oct 14 2024 15:54 utc | 153

I imagine the comment at 15:50 utc on this thread will be a strong contender for canuck’s “Most Moronic Post of the Day” award.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 14 2024 15:55 utc | 154

Posted by: Alexandre M | Oct 14 2024 15:50 utc
Right version :
Now, Russia has punched a huge hole in the narrative of America’s “greatness.”. Stained by the blood of the innocent and defeated in fair combat, the bully was cut to size. It was about time. Thank you, Russia, for serving this bitter medicine. America needed it badly.

Posted by: America is defeated | Oct 14 2024 16:07 utc | 155

Alexandre M | Oct 14 2024 15:50 utc | 155
@ Alexandre M
That is a, well, ‘interesting’ take on things.
So, just out of bored curiosity, what is your evaluation of the USA on the same points? How do they rate IYO?
(not sure if this falls under ‘feeding the troll’, but it should be good for a laugh if Alexandre M responds)

Posted by: saner | Oct 14 2024 16:25 utc | 156

“Now, Ukraine has punched a huge hole in the narrative of Russia’s “greatness.” Russia is poor, corrupt and authoritarian, and now we also know it is weak and pathetic. Russia’s “greatness” collapsed in an orgy of murder and rape inflicted by brutal occupiers in Ukraine. Stained by the blood of the innocent and defeated in fair combat, the bully was cut to size. It was about time. Thank you, Ukraine, for serving this bitter medicine. Russia needed it badly…” blah, blah, blah, blah
Posted by: Alexandre Moron | Oct 14 2024 15:50 utc | 155
“I imagine the comment at 15:50 utc on this thread will be a strong contender for canuck’s “Most Moronic Post of the Day” award.”
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 14 2024 15:55 utc | 157
You picked it, malenkov: Alexander Moron just won, ” The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today”

Posted by: canuck | Oct 14 2024 16:32 utc | 157

“(not sure if this falls under ‘feeding the troll’, but it should be good for a laugh if Alexandre M responds)..”
Posted by: saner | Oct 14 2024 16:25 utc | 160
In my opinion, your gambit is not, ‘feeding the troll’; you are ‘baiting a troll.’
Just as a fisherman puts a worm on the line his purpose is not to feed the Fish but to catch them.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 14 2024 16:35 utc | 158

Russia has no need or interest in using nukes in Kursk or the Ukraine. The notion makes no sense at all. When Russia decides to use nukes, it will be on NATO territory: Poland, Romania, Germany, Britain, and possibly even the US. There is 0% chance that Russia will use nukes even in the Ukraine, and even less chance in Kursk.
I wonder why the NAFO puppies cannot wrap their little canine minds around this reality?

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 14 2024 16:45 utc | 159

Anyone have a view on the theory that Putin drops a tactical nuke on his own territory? ie Kursk and wipes out the invading army?
Posted by: Mark T | Oct 14 2024 15:18 utc | 148
I vote this one for the “most moronic post today” award.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 14 2024 16:51 utc | 160

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 14 2024 15:48 utc | 152
Any casualty numbers that don’t have the following prefixes: around, approx, in the region of, upwards, followed by a rounded number, eg 500K, 550K, are to be treated with caution. It’s the reverse of the Vietnam Bodycount rule (anything with rounded numbers is to be avoided).
517K is too precise, for this stage of the conflict, I’d suggest, it also seems to be an underestimation, given the length of the conflict, the line of engagement, depth of the danger area, weapons deployed and paucity of medical facilities (no golden hour etc). I’d like to know the numbers of missing as well, given that some of the weapons essentially vapourise bodies. The only way will be post-War and using accurate enlistment rolls, which is a massive assumption. Look at the endless debates about Eastern Front losses, with ideologically driven arguments, about the real figures, still going on.

Posted by: Milites | Oct 14 2024 16:51 utc | 161

Marat rips into NATO: https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/fat-and-stupid-why-nato-is-good-for
He puts some numbers behind something I’ve thought for some time, that NATO is bloated, flabby and too bureaucratically unwieldy to ever be anything more than a trough of corruption and pork-barrelling.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2024 16:54 utc | 162

Anyone have a view on the theory that Putin drops a tactical nuke on his own territory? ie Kursk and wipes out the invading army?
Posted by: Mark T | Oct 14 2024 15:18 utc | 148
You mean the ‘escalate to de-escalate’ strategy? It’s dumb as fuck. You’re basically giving your enemy a moral argument to wipe your ass off the planet with a massive retaliation.
You could convey the same message by writing a nice letter or maybe performing an interperative dance however with nuclear weapons I prefer the bolt out of the blue massive decapitation strike that leaves no enemy to strike back.
Go big or go home right?

Posted by: HB_Norica | Oct 14 2024 17:24 utc | 163

Anyone have a view on the theory that Putin drops a tactical nuke on his own territory? ie Kursk and wipes out the invading army?
Posted by: Mark T | Oct 14 2024 15:18 utc | 148
_______
Sounds like typical Western false flag propaganda. You *are* wearing your White Helmet, aren’t you?
How unfortunate today’s Most Idiotic Post was already identified. You could’ve won!

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 14 2024 17:30 utc | 164

517K is too precise, for this stage of the conflict, I’d suggest, it also seems to be an underestimation, given the length of the conflict, the line of engagement, depth of the danger area, weapons deployed and paucity of medical facilities (no golden hour etc). I’d like to know the numbers of missing as well, given that some of the weapons essentially vapourise bodies. The only way will be post-War and using accurate enlistment rolls, which is a massive assumption. Look at the endless debates about Eastern Front losses, with ideologically driven arguments, about the real figures, still going on.
Posted by: Milites | Oct 14 2024 16:51 utc | 161
Yes, I’m back (stayed away for a while exchanging the drinks of this bar for cocktails and rest)
Of course numbers should be round unless you are saying, “according to the latest RF MOD numbers it is 834885, and I am assuming it is KIA”. I no longer do because, unless the recruitment numbers are off, or there is a strange discrepancy in WIA (permanent and otherwise), AFU should be running on fumes with about a quarter of a million men , mostly injured, and you remember I asked almost two weeks ago if t they were there or on the alternate model where they had 650k (although only 100-150k capable of attacking as you mentioned)
So right now, and assuming that the RF MOD numbers were a est estimate of KIA+WIA permanently hors de combat, I’m saying just south of 420.000, roughly half the number.
Anyone can check here
https://mskvremya.ru/article/2023/1520-poteri-ukrainy-za-vremya-spetsoperatsii
Now… another reason I have decided to take a break is that I can’t make these numbers, and the new poll where 77% have a friend/acquaintance, 22% have someone from family KIA (simplicius did his thing, I countered another possibility, but the problem is that doesn’t fit in anyway the may 2023 Sociology Institut of Kiev’s numbers or any of my previous guesstimations, nor Putin’s kill ratio, nor a couple of other things.
Maybe when things fall we’ll see what was true what was Psyop

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 14 2024 17:38 utc | 165

Biden sent a THAAD missile defense system and 100 “boots on the ground” to Israel.
Why didn’t Zelensky get that? He got skunked.
What does that tell ya?

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2024 17:55 utc | 166

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 14 2024 17:38 utc | 165
I am afraid we will never know the true numbers. On either side. Someone already commented that there is still debate about the WW2 casualties.
Because the winner dictates history and in fact can manufacture anything to suit a narrative.
The actual numbers are a type of truth that can be easily buried and never see the light of day. It is a fundamental fault in our society, among many others.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 14 2024 18:06 utc | 167

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2024 17:55 utc | 166
they got alotta frenchies and corgies you know

Posted by: Macpott | Oct 14 2024 18:18 utc | 168

Couple of US Black Hawks mooching around the Romania/Moldova border.
https://www.flightradar24.com/HAZE45/378b318e

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 18:48 utc | 169

I tell a lie, it’s the Ukraine border there…

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 18:50 utc | 170

Some insight into what went wrong during the initial stages of the Kursk incursion.
https://t.me/Alekhin_Telega/11897

Yesterday I wrote the opinion of a fighter from the Kursk region about fortifications (https://t.me/Alekhin_Telega/11892 ), and today in the report of Yuri Podolyaka (https://t.me/yurasumy/18544 ) there was a settlement Dar’ino, which we ran into and could not quickly pass. And in Dar’ino the problems are precisely in the fact that next to it there is a stronghold, that is, several kilometers of fortifications underground ( what they look like was shown by the fighters of the 155th brigade of the Pacific Fleet : https://t.me/rustroyka1945/18092 ), which can only be bypassed somehow and wait for the provisions to run out or look for options to smoke out the enemy. In short, there are many difficulties with them and there will be more.
A similar situation is in Plekhovo, where for several days we have not been able to pass the fortifications that were once built for our troops and which were occupied by enemy troops.
By the way, here they tell me that containers were used in the fortifications, they are just buried below ground level. Somewhere they even wrote about this as a complaint, that they say the containers were used. Although, it is clear that the new ones will not be buried underground, and we do not have such a production of new containers that would allow us to provide transport logistics and bury them in the ground.
It seems to me that now, when the enemy has provided enough evidence that the fortifications were built and they really provide the opportunity to defend for a long time, if there are trained fighters with communications and the necessary weapons in them, we must stop trying to prove that the fortifications should have somehow protected the Kursk region themselves, and start drawing conclusions and correcting mistakes. If we follow the false trail of justifications for mistakes, then our army will not become stronger.
And, analyzing the situation in the Kursk region, as well as in other parts of the front, I continue to strengthen my conclusions that the first reason why our soldiers left the strongholds is the lack of communications. That is, the Ukrainian Armed Forces laid down communications, which was expected, and this is what led to panic, since the squad commander could not contact the platoon commander, the platoon commander could not contact the company commander, the company commander with the battalion, etc. And it was in those areas where the fighters managed to make smart volunteer communications that the enemy failed to pass the strongholds, although the attacks were sometimes no weaker than in the Martynovsky area. And in Martynovka, volunteer communications work in the “Akhmat” units.
That is, the conclusion: the strongholds, where there is a soldier, a commander, weapons and communications, worked 100%, and where the strongholds were empty, the enemy easily occupied them and now we will have to spend a lot of forces and resources to smoke them out of them. The only thing that saves us is that we have FABs here…

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 19:00 utc | 171

RAF tanker over Jordan, from Akrotiri in Cyprus.
https://www.flightradar24.com/VADER49/378b1dfa
Someone’s definitely playing sillies with Flightradar. It was at 29,000 feet doing 53 mph, which wouldn’t keep it in the air.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 20:16 utc | 172

Landed at Queen Alia International Airport. This should probably be on the other thread.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/zz330#378b1dfa

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 20:19 utc | 173

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 14 2024 17:38 utc | 165
There’s also another possibility, that the number of Ukrainians mobilised, in total, has been under-counted. Don’t forget also the only way Ukraine could mount a small Kampfgruppe sized offensive, was to strip the front, suggesting serious manpower shortages. Ukrainians also talk about 80% casualties in a week, suffered by some front line units, so you could extrapolate that data point, if you were minded to do so.
I agree, though it’s only after the last piece of rubble has been bounced and flesh shredded, will the true nature of the conflict possibly be known (depends on how accurate the records are). Final point, casualty figures are often seen as crude markers as to who fought more effectively (certainly the losing side tries to make this argument, if capable), but, put crudely, in the end it’s not the relative number of bodies in the ground, but whose flag is flying over whose capital that counts.

Posted by: Milites | Oct 14 2024 20:37 utc | 174

put crudely, in the end it’s not the relative number of bodies in the ground, but whose flag is flying over whose capital that counts.
Posted by: Milites | Oct 14 2024 20:37 utc | 174
That’s why I hoped the numbers were the higher ones I had and that could allow RF to obliterate AFU forces before th next meat recruitment wave.
If the number of AFU forces goes below a certain number and the kill ratio is good then RF can (and should) terminate them enough for collapse , regardless of losses, before AFU reloads meat.

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 14 2024 20:54 utc | 175

According to RU MoD total losses for UA is 830k, i.e. irretrievable (dead and severely wounded) + sanitary losses (lightly wounded).
Putin said in an interview irretrievable/sanitary is 50/50. That means dead and seriously wounded for UA is 415k. He also said Russian irretrievable losses are 1/5 of Ukraine’s, citing similar ratio for POWs. That would mean RU irretrievable is 83k.
Keep in mind two things though: These are only losses verified by “objective control”. They do NOT include UA losses in operational rear. Some people (I think Martyanov) has suggested a multiplicator of 1.5-2 for rear losses. So total kill ratio could very well be 6-7 to 1 or so (which recently Russian reserve colonel Oleg Shalandin suggested after visiting SMO zone). We also do not know the percentage of KIA in irretrievable losses for UA and RU. For example if KIA/severely wounded is 50:50 then UA KIA is 200k. This however seems too few, mainly because space photos of graveyards, oblast census and obituaries generally suggests 300-500k KIA.
If I had to guess, while very speculative, I think UA KIA is around 400-500k and RU 70-80k.

Posted by: CL | Oct 14 2024 22:24 utc | 176

@Newbie | Mon, 14 Oct 2024 20:54:00 GMT | 175

I no longer do because, unless the recruitment numbers are off, or there is a strange discrepancy in WIA (permanent and otherwise), AFU should be running on fumes with about a quarter of a million men , mostly injured, and you remember I asked almost two weeks ago if t they were there or on the alternate model where they had 650k (although only 100-150k capable of attacking as you mentioned)
So right now, and assuming that the RF MOD numbers were a est estimate of KIA+WIA permanently hors de combat, I’m saying just south of 420.000, roughly half the number.

Those numbers might still be too high. Unless Ukraine has mobilized over three million men already, which is possible, in which case the ratios would work. As recently as July Ukraine stated they had a manpower pool of 4.6 million men: https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-reveals-final-number-of-men-who-updated-mobilization-data/ That’s all the military aged men Ukraine has left. I’m not sure if that includes active military or not.
Assuming it does, and assuming that not all of those 4.6 million will serve, then Ukraine’s maximum mobilization number will be between 3 and 4 million, say 3.5 million. Assuming a breakpoint casualty rate of 20 percent for a national army (which historically in interstate war has been reasonable), then it means Ukraine could absorb up to 700,000 KIA before the AFU collapses, or changes its force posture significantly, (i.e. withdraw from the front lines).
Posted by: Newbie | Oct 14 2024 20:54 utc | 175

If the number of AFU forces goes below a certain number and the kill ratio is good then RF can (and should) terminate them enough for collapse , regardless of losses, before AFU reloads meat.

Indeed, this is the case. However what that number is, is anybody’s guess. I’m assuming a kill ratio closer to 1:1, or maybe 1:1.5 in favor of Russia. I don’t think it’s close to what Putin has stated. Otherwise, there would be much more room for Russia to maneuver on the battlefield.

Posted by: James M. | Oct 14 2024 22:40 utc | 177

This post from the ZeRada channel points to an active effort (by US/NATO) to win the German popular support for a hot war against Russia. Does that kind of propaganda have any effect on the average German?

🇩🇪🔥🇷🇺 The Ukrainian way of Germany
We are closely watching how Germany, the locomotive of the European Union, against the backdrop of the collapse of its economy, is sliding into a state of stupefaction and intimidation of its population with a possible future war.
Information pumping is going on in all directions. Thus today at an open hearing of the heads of intelligence services in the Parliamentary Control Committee of the Bundestag, the head of the Federal Intelligence and Counterintelligence Agency of Germany (BND) Bruno Kahl made a number of resonant statements:
⁃ “There is a specific military threat from Russia”;
⁃ “No later than the end of this decade, Russian armed forces may be able to carry out a direct attack on NATO”;
⁃ “The Kremlin views Germany as an adversary, especially because Germany actively supports Ukraine”;
⁃ “We are in direct confrontation with Russia. In reality, Putin does not need Ukraine. In reality, he is striving to create a new world order”;
⁃ Russian special services are working at full capacity and “without any restrictions.” So further escalation is entirely possible.
The head of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Thomas Haldenwang, emphasized the strengthening of Russia’s hybrid and covert operations: “We are registering aggressive actions by Russian special services. Cases of espionage and sabotage from Russia have become especially frequent and their quality has increased.”
The President of the Military Intelligence Agency, Martina Rosenberg, reported on attempts by Russian intelligence services to spy against the Bundeswehr. Intelligence activities are carried out in the area of ​​arms supplies to Ukraine, in places where soldiers are trained, or in the area of ​​defense projects. Espionage is also used to carry out sabotage aimed at creating a sense of insecurity among the population.
The same thing has been happening in Ukraine since 2014: industry and economics were replaced by Russophobia and militarization of the agenda. Instead of solving economic problems, the authorities accused the opposition of working for the Kremlin and shouted about the “Shatun” plans.
Globally, after pitting Russia and Ukraine against each other, it would be better for the US to pit Russia and Germany against each other, which we constantly write about …
“>https://t.me/ZeRada1/21904

Posted by: Richard L | Oct 14 2024 23:27 utc | 178

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 14 2024 20:54 utc | 175
Alas, history teaches us a different lesson, that countries rarely run out of manpower, even though they’ve absorbed massive losses, they run out of time, space to manoeuvre and supplies. The Ukrainians can keep on fighting, but they cannot achieve anything other than buying time with lives, but the time they gain cannot be put to any operationally meaningful use.
Posted by: James M. | Oct 14 2024 22:40 utc | 177
Far too low, given historical precedent: counter-intuitively defending cities/urban areas costs the defender more (though it delays the attacker). Air superiority and artillery dominance all lead to lop-sided kill ratios, especially when launching offensives, (necessary concentration v’s defender’s fire power). I think between 7-10:1 for some operational sectors is perfectly reasonable, though haircut the Russian claims by 50% (a good historical starting point for any analysis) and you get a 4-5:1 ratio, which seems reasonable. Remember, these are ratios, it does not mean more RuAF troops are not becoming casualties, as a result of the current increased tempo, just more UAF’s are as well.
Russian constraints on manoeuvre are largely because they are the primary attacker during a phase of warfare that greatly favours the defender and removes many advantages of the attacker. This brutal reality is universally applied, being proved by the Ukrainian experience with offensives, even when making marginal progress, in an operational/strategic perspective, there are no traditional breakthroughs. It’s a phenomenon recognised half a century ago by Soviet planners, when they prepared to nuke their way to the Channel, as a means of breaking the technologically imposed deadlock.

Posted by: Milites | Oct 14 2024 23:30 utc | 179

@CL | Mon, 14 Oct 2024 22:24:00 GMT | 176

If I had to guess, while very speculative, I think UA KIA is around 400-500k and RU 70-80k.

Those ratios may be off. Only a few modern wars in history have had kill ratios that lopsided – the 1991 Gulf War (probably), and most of the Arab-Israel wars: Suez, the Six Day War, and the Yom Kippur war. Possibly the Winter War as well. All those wars were over in months, if not weeks.
Also, Russia isn’t known historically for its casualty aversion in war. Those ratios would mark a stark change in the way Russia has waged war over the past two hundred years. It’s possible I suppose. If those ratios are accurate then Ukraine will run out of manpower probably very soon.

Posted by: James M. | Oct 14 2024 23:32 utc | 180

@Milites | Mon, 14 Oct 2024 23:30:00 GMT | 179

Far too low, given historical precedent: counter-intuitively defending cities/urban areas costs the defender more

Show me evidence of that. An attacker still needs more troops to overcome a position, even with artillery and airplanes. In one study I read analyzing 605 battles going back to 1600, the attacker only won fourteen percent of the time with a force ratio of less than 1:1.

Russian constraints on manoeuvre are largely because they are the primary attacker during a phase of warfare that greatly favours the defender and removes many advantages of the attacker.

So they can’t move because the defenders are too entrenched? See my point above then.
The actual ratios of the forces deployed in this war are close to 1 to 1. The Russians haven’t come with a lot of troops in this war, which is the main reason they haven’t been able to make a whole lot of headway. Whether that is by design (keeping troops back in case of NATO involvement for instance) or not (logistical problems preventing larger numbers of troops) is of course debatable.
So the forces are close to parity, but according to you, and maybe others, Russia is killing five Ukrainian soldiers for every one of theirs? And yet Ukraine is still able to counterattack into Russian territory. And Russia doesn’t have complete air dominance. And the war has been going on for more than two years. Maybe, you are correct, but those numbers seem off.
Also, they come straight from Putin, so there has to be a propaganda effect to them as well. I think the MoD keeps the real numbers close to their vest, or at least their best guesstimate.
But no one will know for sure, probably ever, since I don’t think Russia, and probably Ukraine too, will ever release their actual casualty numbers.
That said, Russia will still win, as no matter the casualty rate (and Russia is less casualty averse than the US/West) victory would matter more.

Posted by: James M. | Oct 15 2024 0:02 utc | 181

In one study I read analyzing 605 battles going back to 1600, the attacker only won fourteen percent of the time with a force ratio of less than 1:1.

Is this satire?
Yes let me comment on how the siege of Riga or the battle on the Plains of Abraham was relevant to satellite enabled networked warfare in all domains, ballistic cruise missiles, drones, etc. While studying history is of course instructive, it’s ridiculous to try to extrapolate conclusions concerning casualty rates based on such readings over 4 centuries. Or for that matter, force composition and relative balance required to overcome static defenses given those static defenses themselves have changed a lot, as have the ways to combat defensive positions. War has changed a wee bit since then, regardless of what the Fallout voiceover says.
Without offering significant argument as I cannot be bothered, let me humbly submit that the war has been far, far more costly for the West…not in terms of casulaties..though who knows.. but in everything else, including reputational damage. The US dollar will fall. Seems a pretty big fuck up, but what do I know, I just drink here.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 15 2024 0:56 utc | 182

@James M
“Ratios of the forces deployed in this war are close to 1 to 1”.
That has more to do with the “operational capacity of the theater”, rather than lack of manpower. There are simply limits of how many troops you can put on a modern battlefield. There is a optimal number based on area of effect of weaponry, highway throughput, bridges weight limits and so on.
@Milites
“…a phase of warfare that greatly favours the defender and removes many advantages of the attacker”
I believe Svechin (whom Gerasimov seems to like) wrote about this long ago. First one needs to grind down the opponent. Only then can you launch “big arrow” offensives. Otherwise casualties will be too great. I suspect the Russians also want to kill as many UA soldiers as possible on the battlefield rather than in urban areas to preserve cities as much as possible.

Posted by: CL | Oct 15 2024 0:57 utc | 183

snake | Oct 13 2024 21:07 utc | 62
*** It is for this reason that a global 2nd government is needed to keep in check those who govern in each of the 256 or so nation states; because it is these governments that control the populations of the world.***
Since these very same Oligarchs, bureaucrats and utterly corrupt governments (facilitated by big business and mass-media) just happen to monitor and control damn-near everything inside and outside countries, plus of course their military forces and financial systems — just who exactly is going to actually design and implement the allegedly wonderful one-world hyper dictatorship you keep on advocating?

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 15 2024 1:52 utc | 184

Time of the Big Arrow is drawing near…….Winter is Coming….so are the White Walkers……..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 15 2024 1:54 utc | 185

anonposter | Oct 14 2024 5:02 utc | 108…
A very major objective of the war ought to be to *kill* all the Oligarchs, plus their families and associates — rather than preserve them.*
NATO didn’t totally inflict the … problems … by itself, from outside.
* Unless a “new Khazaria” is the desired outcome.

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 15 2024 2:05 utc | 186

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 10:41 utc | 124
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I like it when parts of thier propaganda directly contradicts other parts, in the same article or separate articles as the case may be.
Russia’s economy is in the shitter, they’re being slaughtered by eager to fight Ukrs. Who outsmarted the Russians in Kursk.
Yet Russia has oodles of money to pay for a (mostly) volunteer force with bounties thrown in, whilst Ukraine is press-ganging drunks and paying them sweet FA, only people unable to fight want someone else to do it and the AFU smarted itself into a self-made trap with no upside elsewhere.
Oh, and according to polls (if they’re to be believed) most Ukrs are f*cking retards.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 15 2024 2:23 utc | 187

@CL | Tue, 15 Oct 2024 00:57:00 GMT | 183

That has more to do with the “operational capacity of the theater”, rather than lack of manpower. There are simply limits of how many troops you can put on a modern battlefield. There is a optimal number based on area of effect of weaponry, highway throughput, bridges weight limits and so on.

Well presumably if the kill ratios are what you think they are:

If I had to guess, while very speculative, I think UA KIA is around 400-500k and RU 70-80k.

Then Russia would have more room for maneuverability and the RuAF wouldn’t have to worry so much about where to place their troops. That’s my point anyway, that the kill ratios are much lower than you suspect.

Posted by: James M. | Oct 15 2024 2:56 utc | 188

Posted by: CL | Oct 14 2024 22:24 utc | 176
There is a Facebook group of Ukrainian citizens, who are actively searching for missing in action/missing in general UAF soldiers, since the beginning of SMO… and it counts of more than half a million members, adding daily. Sure families, friends and partners maybe searching for the same person, yet it is a big number. Facebook is more likely fully aware of total figures of KIA/MIA due to facial recognition, silent accounts & dead cell phones data resources, since it is spreading much wider than it’s user base, at least imagery wise. It is worth adding into your equation… Facebook is number one social platform in Ukraine.

Posted by: Alex Vadim | Oct 15 2024 6:53 utc | 189

Poland rejects EU policy.

Donald Tusk rekindles EU migration debate
Polish premier joins anti-immigrant leaders with shock move of suspending asylum rights
Donald Tusk has thrown European migration policy into turmoil with a surprise decision to suspend the right to asylum in Poland, days ahead of an EU leaders’ summit where the issue is set to dominate.
The Polish prime minister was the latest EU leader to announce unilateral curbs on migration, after Chancellor Olaf Scholz earlier this month introduced checks at all German border controls in a move France has since said it wants to replicate. Warsaw’s decision risks further damaging a fragile consensus on migration and asylum policy among the bloc’s 27 member states which is already being challenged by resurgent far-right parties across the continent.
On Monday evening, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen wrote to EU leaders laying out what she said were “European solutions for a European challenge” of tackling increased irregular migration.
Tusk, who served as European Council president before returning to power in Poland, said over the weekend that Warsaw would temporarily put on hold the right to seek asylum for people crossing the border from Belarus. He argued that the measure was aimed at stopping Minsk and its ally Russia attempting to destabilise Poland.
“Our right and our duty is to protect the Polish and European border,” Tusk said on social media platform X on Monday. “Its security will not be subject to negotiation — with anyone.”
Italy’s rightwing premier, Giorgia Meloni, who has long opposed irregular migration into the bloc, invited a select group of like-minded leaders including Tusk and Scholz to hold a preparatory meeting in Brussels on Thursday ahead of the summit, according to three people familiar with the proposal. Their goal was to agree a joint position on a tougher approach to migration, the people said.
continues ==> https://www.ft.com/content/b59183cc-1d6e-4459-9910-31b536f1e208

Ursula’s problems continue to multiply. Let’s see if she uses the opportunity to increase her power.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2024 7:49 utc | 190

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Two Majors #Summary for the Morning of 15 October 2024; 06:55 (GMT+3)⚡️
🔹In the #Kursk region, the RFAF continue their attacks in the area of #Lyubimovka. It is reported that communications and communication routes between enemy units have been disrupted, leading to their disorientation and misunderstanding the passage of the current LoC in a number of places. There are reports of successes of our troops near #CherkasskayaKonopelka.
🔹North of #ChasovYar, our troops took an enemy stronghold in battle. On the southern flank of the RFAF advanced in the area of the bridge over the Seversky Donets-Donbass Canal along the T0504 (N-32) Motorway to a depth of up to 900 m.
🔹In the #Pokrovsk direction, there is fighting near #Nikolayevka in the direction of #Mirnograd. South of #Selidovo there are advances to encircle the town.
🔹In the #Kurakhovo direction, north of #Ugledar our troops have occupied the area up to 3.5 km wide and 800 m deep. There is an advance at #ZolotoyaNiva.🎬👇
🔹On the #Zaporozhye front, the Russian Army is expanding its zone of control to the north and east after the surprise attack on #Levadnoye.
💥In #Belgorod region, a lorry was attacked by an AFU UAV near the village of #Tserkovny, Belgorod district, and the driver was wounded. The village of #KrasnyOktyabr came under fire. There, the AFU used a drone to scatter ‘petal-stock’ mines, and a moving passenger car exploded on a mine.
💥In the #DPR, in the village of #Golmovsky in the Nikitovsky district of #Gorlovka, boys born in 2011 and 2019 received thermal burns when carelessly handling an explosive object found. Moreover, three civilian infrastructure facilities were damaged in the Nikitovsky district (a school, a shop and a market).

https://t.me/two_majors/33781

Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2024 7:50 utc | 191

Our source in the OP said that Western allies are already openly demanding that Zelensky begin negotiations with the Kremlin to stop the war along the front line.
The Pentagon has prepared a report for the Biden Administration, which clearly indicates the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces at the current rate of the Russian army’s advance and predicts the collapse of the front in the winter of 2025.
According to the US military, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have no way to stop the advance of the Russian army in Donbas, and reserves will last for 7-9 months.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/24625

Our source in the OP said that the West is deliberately holding up the already allocated financial aid, which amounts to $14 billion, of which $5.5 billion are grants. That is why Bankova is raising taxes in order to continue the war regardless of Western funding and not to comply with the demands of the allies to end the conflict along the contact line.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/24627

The situation in Kursk Oblast is not just critical for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, it is close to collapse and the emergence of new cauldrons. The Russian army has cleared Lyubimovka and moved to our positions in the Olgovskiy forest.
The General Staff is transferring reserves, but they simply cannot reach the positions due to the muddy roads and the lack of tracked vehicles, which the enemy has in sufficient numbers. While propaganda is trying to convince the Ukrainians of a stable situation, the Ukrainian Armed Forces units are being destroyed.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/24626

Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2024 7:56 utc | 192

Kursk direction on the morning of 15.10.24…
The weather is increasingly making its own “adjustments” to the course of the battles. Rains and fogs often prevent drones from working, and therefore, on the one hand, this does not allow normal supply of groups due to the spreading roads, and on the other hand, it allows the forward strongholds to rotate and organize their supply.
After the battles for Lyubimovka and Tolsty Lug have generally ended, their main burden is gradually transferred to the Novoivanovka – Malaya Loknya line. Our units are trying to dislodge the enemy from Novoivanovka and Leonidovo. Moreover, if in the first case they almost succeeded, then the battles for Leonidovo are not over as of this morning. The enemy, perfectly understanding the importance of these positions, is constantly throwing reserves here and even counterattacking.
In Malaya Loknya, the enemy is still holding on tightly. I think it will be difficult to dislodge him from here without help from the west from Novoivanovka.
North of this highway (south of Olgovka and Kremyana), the situation is not entirely clear due to the lack of settlements there and unfavorable weather conditions. We are not conducting any assault operations here, and the enemy is not active either. The situation here will depend on the outcome of the battles for Leonidove. If we firmly take this village and the adjacent plantings under our control, then the Ukrainian Armed Forces will have to pull back to the Malaya Loknya area and try to hold this area to prevent us from building a convenient line of communication along paved roads.
The fighting in the Sudzha area is very intense. The enemy has large reserves in the city and a good network of roads in the eastern and southern directions, and therefore our units are having a hard time advancing here.
Meanwhile, the enemy has already been driven out of Cherkasskaya Konopelka. The fighting for Mikhailovka continues.
Keep your fingers crossed and pray for the guys.

https://t.me/yurasumy/18561

Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2024 7:58 utc | 193

Ugledar direction as of the morning of 15.10.24…
Stubborn fighting continues between Bogoyavlenka and Katerinovka. Yesterday, our units entered the territory of the latter and occupied the southeastern part of this settlement.
This was a consequence of the earlier destruction of a road bridge in the northwestern part of the village by a missile, which led to the cutting off of the local garrison’s communications. The enemy does not have the forces to counterattack here, and therefore the rest of the village. I think the Ukrainian Armed Forces will lose very soon.
In this way, we will secure the flank of further attacks to the north between Bogoyavlenka and Yelizavetovka with access to the flank and rear of the former.
At the same time, our pressure on this enemy fortified area from the south (from the side of Ugledar) is increasing. The enemy here is also slowly but surely retreating.
In the area of ​​Zolotaya Niva, our units began moving west. Bypassing the enemy positions south of Velikaya Novosyolka.
Let’s keep our fingers crossed and pray for the guys.

https://t.me/yurasumy/18563

Selidovo-Kurakhovskoye direction as of the morning of 15.10.24…
Here, so far, everything is unchanged. Stubborn, but so far fruitless battles continue in Izmailovka and Novoselidovka.
And the main news comes from Selidovo. Everything indicates that a general assault on the city will soon begin. Firstly, our units have reached convenient positions from three sides before the assault and conducted reconnaissance in force everywhere.
Yesterday, all day long, our aviation was taking out the enemy’s identified firing points and the locations of his units (more than 50 KABs were dropped). Artillery and drones are working hard.
In short, soon… And everyone understands this.
We keep our fingers crossed and pray for the guys.

https://t.me/yurasumy/18565

Pokrovsk-Selidovo direction on the morning of 15.10.24…
Here everything has “frozen” again. Our command has obviously refocused on Selidovo, and therefore south of Mirnograd there is still relative calm.
The only place where active actions are taking place is Lysovka. But there are no changes there yet.
We keep our fingers crossed and pray for the guys.

https://t.me/yurasumy/18567

Toretskoye direction as of the morning of 15.10.24…
Here the situation for the Ukrainian Armed Forces is becoming more and more complicated. Including in view of the fact that to the north, in the area of ​​Chasov Yar, our units have become more active and are drawing away the enemy’s reserves. Which are already small.
Here, for now, as yesterday, there is a relative operational pause.
What is noteworthy. And what once again proves how much the Ukrainian near-war info dumps are lying to their followers. Yesterday, one of the info dump channels bragged about a successful counterattack in the Zabalka microdistrict. They say they recaptured some position there and took someone prisoner. But if you look at the map of the operational situation (screenshot 2), which the Ukrainian info dumps feed their readers, this cannot be in principle, since according to their “version”, this entire microdistrict has always been under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Draw your own conclusions.
Meanwhile, as I wrote above, there is a relative operational pause in the area (between large assaults), during which our units are still trying to improve their positions.
We are currently working most actively in the Leonidovka-Shcherbinovka area, which obviously suggests that the next assault target will be the area of ​​the Tsentralnaya mine waste heaps, after the loss of which it will no longer make sense for the enemy to hold on in the city.
We are keeping our fingers crossed and praying for the guys.

https://t.me/yurasumy/18568

Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2024 8:01 utc | 194

They’ve been stalled at Lyubimovka for a while now.
Having followed the day to day minutia for a little while now, I’m noticing a disingenuous behavior of some of the pro rfa channels. They will report old news as if it is breaking. Often 1 to 3 days old. The real report ought to be no progress at this sector, this day. But instead they just repeat a couple day old advance as if it were new. This deceives those who don’t follow daily. And for the rah rah cheerleaders they don’t read the details analytically anyways.

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 15 2024 8:17 utc | 195

From Zero Hedge this morning; note their scepticism about “Ukrainian military blogger” DeepState:

Ukraine Finally Admits To Russian Breakthrough In Kursk As They Evacuate Sumy
For those tracking war maps from both sides of the conflict as well as geo-location data for troop positions, the failure of Ukraine’s offensive in Kursk is not a surprise. The movement of their forces stalled out only a couple weeks after their initial push into the territory and the Russians have been grabbing back pieces of land ever since. However, for those people only listening to establishment news sources, the retaking of Kursk might come as a shock.
Russian troops have made significant advances from the western flank of Ukrainian positions, and reports indicate a threat of Ukrainian troops being encircled.
The Telegraph, usually a platform for pro-Ukraine propaganda, notes that sources from both sides confirmed the Russian breakthrough, which occurred during the heaviest fighting on Russian territory since Ukraine began its cross-border incursion in August.
DeepState, a Ukrainian military blogger, said that there was a risk that Russian forces could encircle Ukrainian forces, although they later said that the front lines in Kursk were “difficult but under control”. “The enemy pushed through the left flank of the Kursk grouping of Ukrainian defense forces,” the blogger said. “We are on the verge of another mess due to the repetition of mistakes.” (Keep in mind, major military “bloggers” in this conflict tend to have connections to government and military officials who give them battlefront information)
It should be noted that DeepState has avoided changing his war maps to reveal significant Russian gains in Kursk for many weeks. It is likely that he has been dissuaded from doing so by officials in Kyiv in order to present a facade of success in Kursk. The fact that he is admitting to those gains now suggests the situation is dire for Ukraine.
Russian military bloggers said that marines from the Pacific Fleet’s 155th Guards Brigade had been involved in fighting around the Glushkovsky district of Kursk, where most Ukrainian forces had allegedly been overrun.
Fears of potential encirclement of Ukrainian troops in Kursk come only days after US officials claimed they could hold the ground for months.
The strategic sense behind Ukraine’s Kursk operation remains a mystery. Vladimir Zelensky claims the attack was designed to draw Russian troops away from the eastern front in order to slow down their non-stop bulldozing of Ukraine’s defensive positions. Many of these towns and the defensive works around them have been held since 2014. In other words, the fact that Russia is taking these positions so quickly indicates that something has gone very wrong for Ukraine (And we all know what the problem is – lack of manpower).
As with all war, the losing side tends to implode all at once after a long period of seemingly static and secure defenses.
If the goal was really to divert the Russians away from the east, then the Kursk offensive achieved nothing. The Kremlin actually increased their forces and attacks in the region after the Kursk event. John Foreman, a former British military attaché in both Moscow and Kyiv, states:
“Russian progress actually picked up after Kursk…Politically, the Kursk offensive didn’t change much in Washington DC or Europe. I’m still unconvinced of its strategic merit.”
Kyiv’s recent declaration of a mandatory evacuation of more than 37,000 civilians from the Sumy Oblast region just across the border from Kursk provides more evidence that the area is about to be retaken by Russia. It seems like the Kursk incursion was fuel for the western media hype machine, but other than that the effort served no strategic purpose.

A direct link filters the post out, but it is up on their front page at the moment.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 15 2024 8:26 utc | 196

I actually follow DS daily. He updated the Kursk map very significantly twice, over past few days.
I have my issues with DS. But that report is just swinging wildly.

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 15 2024 8:41 utc | 197

In the Kursk direction, fighting continues along the entire contact line.
In the area of ​​the Ukrainian breakthrough towards Glushkovo, the Russian Armed Forces have effectively driven out the Ukrainian Armed Forces and fighting is taking place in the Novy Put area.
Clashes continue in the Lyubimovka area, where the remnants of the Ukrainian garrison are effectively surrounded, but there is no attempt to counterattack from the area of ​​neighboring Tolsty Lug.
At the same time, Tolsty Lug itself is in the “gray zone”, and Ukrainian units have little chance of breaking out of the effectively formed cauldron there. At the same time, to the east, Russian troops are advancing towards Novoivanovka, and now only the eastern outskirts of the settlement remain under the control of Ukrainian units. The Russian Army has approached Leonidovka here.
Now the main fighting is moving to the Novoivanovka – Malaya Loknya line. In Malaya Loknya, the Ukrainian garrison is firmly holding its positions. But in Novoivanivka the situation for Ukrainian units is difficult (almost forced out) and the next line of defense here will be Leonidovka. In case of success here on the part of Russian troops, the Ukrainian group to the north will be trapped. A breakthrough in Leonidovka will give the Russian Armed Forces the opportunity to reach the flank of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Malaya Loknya. The Ukrainian command, perfectly understanding the situation, is constantly transferring reserves here.
At the same time, weather conditions are increasingly making their own “adjustments” to the course of the battles. Rains and fogs often prevent drones from working, and therefore this does not allow normal supply of groups due to the spreading roads. Which does not play into the hands of Ukrainian troops in the Kursk region in the long term. At the same time, this gives the opportunity for the advanced strongholds to rotate and organize their supplies from the nearest settlements (however, the supplies here are short-lived). In addition, due to the muddy roads, the disruption of communication creates the danger of not one cauldron, but several.
Further north along the route to Korenevo (south of Olgovka and Kremyana), the situation is not entirely clear due to the absence of settlements there and unfavorable weather conditions; clashes here are minimal for now. However, part of the Ukrainian Armed Forces group may be cut off from the main part (in the area between Kremyana and the small Olgovsky forest) when weather conditions improve somewhat.

https://t.me/the_military_analytics/21219

Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2024 8:47 utc | 198

Ukraine is a country without a future or how a protracted war is washing the young generation out of the country.
300 thousand children left Ukraine on the eve of the school year, – MP Yuzhanina.
Our source reported that parents are deliberately taking their children out of the country, especially teenagers aged 15-16.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/24628

🇺🇦🤦‍♂️ Commenting is spoiling
Commander of the 13th Brigade of the National Guard “Charter” Igor Obolensky: “The more of our youth now feel what war is, the easier it will be for us in the future. Hard times give birth to strong people. Returning to the genius of Clausewitz, the more people feel all the negativity that exists now, the more effective we will be in the future.”
In his opinion, this does not pose a demographic threat, since “there is no total death” – many are wounded, but survive and continue to fight, because there is effective planning and trust in the state and the Commander-in-Chief…
1) Ukrainian wars are increasingly quoting German military personnel. This is the path to success, since when was the last time they had a successful experience of war with the Russians?
2) “There is no total death” – that is why people are being busified, right?
3) About trust in the state and the Commander-in-Chief – really strong.

https://t.me/ZeRada1/21909

Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2024 10:00 utc | 199

It’s evident that you allow bots like “Vargas”, and honeypots like (i know you jack) and spelling the beans, and trolls and shills.
Posted by: Luis | Oct 15 2024 10:31 utc | 202
Well, I just have a bit zen-style, reduced style of writing.
But I am not a bot.
I would be first to know that.

Posted by: vargas | Oct 15 2024 10:49 utc | 200