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October 13, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-245
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Seems the ship Shui Spirit hit in Odessa a couple days ago was carrying depleted uranium, the vid cites Sergei Lebedev as the source which adds cred: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 14 2024 1:21 utc | 101 Maybe part of the Russian strategy is patience based on the assumption (a correct one) that the U.S. will abandon Ukraine. That abandonment is important for Russia to win the peace with however few normal people are left in Ukraine when the conflict ends. Ukrainians have to understand that they were used. Maybe Putin is such a committed democrat that he believes it’s the Ukrainians responsibility to rid themselves of Zelensky, Banderites and Americans. Posted by: Lex | Oct 14 2024 1:25 utc | 102 1917 and Anonimous are like a chiken and a pug discussing how a farmer should cook his poultry and his pork, and claiming that they know it better than him. Posted by: Bim | Oct 14 2024 1:39 utc | 104 Jeeeez! Kyiv has lost 1m soldiers? Posted by: snevetS kcoJ | Oct 14 2024 2:35 utc | 105 DS Map intel just dropped. Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 14 2024 2:47 utc | 106
A committed democrat? How about a realist. Russia took this strategy after giving the Saakashvili regime in Georgia a well-deserved military thrashing in August of 2008. It’s a kind of political wisdom to let others come to the correct conclusions … however long it takes. It’s a kind of respectful “face-saving” that takes time. Posted by: N.Hanrahan | Oct 14 2024 3:26 utc | 107 Posted by: N.Hanrahan | Oct 14 2024 3:26 utc | 107 Posted by: anonposter | Oct 14 2024 5:02 utc | 108 @23. “I said 100 times. Posted by: Yarpos | Oct 14 2024 5:12 utc | 109
Aha, so you admit that basing Soviet post-1943 progress on pre-1943 territorial gains would not work. Why then would you do that now? Saying that “At the current rate of ~500 km^2 of territory taken a month, Russia will take over the whole of Ukraine some time in the early 22nd century” just sounds silly. Sure, conditions now are different from those in 1943, but nobody can predict what will happen. Or say exactly what it is that the Russians can do and want to do. Posted by: Neven | Oct 14 2024 7:43 utc | 110 “nuclear explosion from DU” Posted by: MAKK | Oct 14 2024 7:49 utc | 111 Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 16:19 utc | 14
based on this FAKE he must continue to drool…
his source of choice for downed russian planes — fighter_bomber write that there isn’t a downed Su-34
Posted by: ghiwen | Oct 14 2024 7:52 utc | 112
Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2024 8:12 utc | 113
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/18464 Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2024 8:14 utc | 114
Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2024 8:16 utc | 115 … Western currency counterfeiting in an attempt to maintain things just brings a wider downfall closer. Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 9:05 utc | 116 Consigning Ukraine to Hospice Care which is falsified if there is no near term collapse
Posted by: too scents | Oct 14 2024 9:17 utc | 118 People on X, say Russians executed a group of captured Ukrainian drone operators in Kursk. What is the truth to this? Posted by: Rune Denmark | Oct 14 2024 10:05 utc | 119 Информация о заходе и тем более закреплении наших войск на окраины Суджи пока не соответствует действительности. Уже рядом, но пока еще не там. Posted by: guest | Oct 14 2024 10:09 utc | 120
Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2024 10:17 utc | 121
https://t.me/the_military_analytics/21212 Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2024 10:19 utc | 122 I’ve heard from unspecified sources that a thing has happened. What is the truth of that thing? Posted by: boneless | Oct 14 2024 10:32 utc | 123 https://www.economist.com/briefing/2024/09/26/ukraine-is-on-the-defensive-militarily-economically-and-diplomatically Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 10:41 utc | 124 Re drone operators – my recollection of WW2 history is that snipers on both sides got pretty short shrift if captured, could it be that something similar is developing with drone operators? Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 10:44 utc | 125 @ YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 10:44 utc | 125 Posted by: boneless | Oct 14 2024 10:55 utc | 126 People on X, say Russians executed a group of captured Ukrainian drone operators in Kursk. What is the truth to this? Posted by: NoName | Oct 14 2024 11:10 utc | 127 Inevitably soonish … Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 11:16 utc | 128 Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 23:53 utc | 88 Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 14 2024 11:27 utc | 129 There’s no certainty either way but these claims of near term mobilisation failure are foolish on both historical and actuarial grounds. Posted by: too scents | Oct 14 2024 11:35 utc | 130 125 – Snipers have sometimes received short shrift if captured in war, flamethrower operatives in several wars have been burned to death with their own flamethrowers if caught. In WW1 at least, captured artillerymen were sometimes killed out of hand because enemy infantry resented the casualties they caused. Posted by: Waldorf | Oct 14 2024 11:37 utc | 131 https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/#post-colonelcassad-9437880 Posted by: Waldorf | Oct 14 2024 11:52 utc | 132 Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 13 2024 18:09 utc | 38 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 14 2024 12:10 utc | 133
Darn it, they left the “full-scale invasion” tell-tale in there … Posted by: pessoa | Oct 14 2024 12:46 utc | 134 Autumn means falling leaves, denuded trees, fog, mist, rain. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2024 13:03 utc | 135 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 11:16 utc | 128 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2024 13:06 utc | 136 RUSSIA WILL REBUILD EVERYTHING DESTROYED IN DONBAS – PRESIDENT PUTIN. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 14 2024 13:11 utc | 137 Tangentially related – are the current Chinese exercises around Taiwan Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 13:25 utc | 138 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 14 2024 1:21 utc | 101
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 13:41 utc | 139 “Closer to the front” and in violation of international law: New NATO headquarters in Rostock Posted by: ossi | Oct 14 2024 13:50 utc | 140 …The war is lost but it can still be loster. Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 13:55 utc | 141 Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 13 2024 21:38 utc | 69 Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 14 2024 13:57 utc | 142 the Kursk gambit clearly failed and all that remains is to clear it and take equipment from NATO back to Moscow for trophies. Posted by: rk | Oct 14 2024 14:26 utc | 143 I don’t doubt that Zelensky can keep scraping together bodies to go to the front. The question is, how effective will these “meat” replacements be? … Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 14:37 utc | 144 @145 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2024 14:58 utc | 145 Maybe part of the Russian strategy is patience based on the assumption (a correct one) that the U.S. will abandon Ukraine. Posted by: HB_Norica | Oct 14 2024 15:01 utc | 146
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 15:03 utc | 147 Anyone have a view on the theory that Putin drops a tactical nuke on his own territory? ie Kursk and wipes out the invading army? Posted by: Mark T | Oct 14 2024 15:18 utc | 148 anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 15:03 utc | 148 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 15:21 utc | 149
How big a nuke would you like to see used? Posted by: MAKK | Oct 14 2024 15:24 utc | 150 517,000 Ukie dead in SMO. Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 14 2024 15:48 utc | 151 Now, Ukraine has punched a huge hole in the narrative of Russia’s “greatness.” Russia is poor, corrupt and authoritarian, and now we also know it is weak and pathetic. Russia’s “greatness” collapsed in an orgy of murder and rape inflicted by brutal occupiers in Ukraine. Stained by the blood of the innocent and defeated in fair combat, the bully was cut to size. It was about time. Thank you, Ukraine, for serving this bitter medicine. Russia needed it badly. Posted by: Alexandre M | Oct 14 2024 15:50 utc | 152 Posted by: Alexandre M | Oct 14 2024 15:50 utc | 155 Posted by: Caveman | Oct 14 2024 15:54 utc | 153 I imagine the comment at 15:50 utc on this thread will be a strong contender for canuck’s “Most Moronic Post of the Day” award. Posted by: malenkov | Oct 14 2024 15:55 utc | 154 Posted by: Alexandre M | Oct 14 2024 15:50 utc Posted by: America is defeated | Oct 14 2024 16:07 utc | 155 Alexandre M | Oct 14 2024 15:50 utc | 155 Posted by: saner | Oct 14 2024 16:25 utc | 156 “Now, Ukraine has punched a huge hole in the narrative of Russia’s “greatness.” Russia is poor, corrupt and authoritarian, and now we also know it is weak and pathetic. Russia’s “greatness” collapsed in an orgy of murder and rape inflicted by brutal occupiers in Ukraine. Stained by the blood of the innocent and defeated in fair combat, the bully was cut to size. It was about time. Thank you, Ukraine, for serving this bitter medicine. Russia needed it badly…” blah, blah, blah, blah “(not sure if this falls under ‘feeding the troll’, but it should be good for a laugh if Alexandre M responds)..” Russia has no need or interest in using nukes in Kursk or the Ukraine. The notion makes no sense at all. When Russia decides to use nukes, it will be on NATO territory: Poland, Romania, Germany, Britain, and possibly even the US. There is 0% chance that Russia will use nukes even in the Ukraine, and even less chance in Kursk. Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 14 2024 16:45 utc | 159 Anyone have a view on the theory that Putin drops a tactical nuke on his own territory? ie Kursk and wipes out the invading army? Posted by: alek_a | Oct 14 2024 16:51 utc | 160 Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 14 2024 15:48 utc | 152 Posted by: Milites | Oct 14 2024 16:51 utc | 161 Marat rips into NATO: https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/fat-and-stupid-why-nato-is-good-for Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 14 2024 16:54 utc | 162 Anyone have a view on the theory that Putin drops a tactical nuke on his own territory? ie Kursk and wipes out the invading army? Posted by: HB_Norica | Oct 14 2024 17:24 utc | 163 Anyone have a view on the theory that Putin drops a tactical nuke on his own territory? ie Kursk and wipes out the invading army? Posted by: malenkov | Oct 14 2024 17:30 utc | 164 517K is too precise, for this stage of the conflict, I’d suggest, it also seems to be an underestimation, given the length of the conflict, the line of engagement, depth of the danger area, weapons deployed and paucity of medical facilities (no golden hour etc). I’d like to know the numbers of missing as well, given that some of the weapons essentially vapourise bodies. The only way will be post-War and using accurate enlistment rolls, which is a massive assumption. Look at the endless debates about Eastern Front losses, with ideologically driven arguments, about the real figures, still going on. Posted by: Newbie | Oct 14 2024 17:38 utc | 165 Biden sent a THAAD missile defense system and 100 “boots on the ground” to Israel. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2024 17:55 utc | 166 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 14 2024 17:38 utc | 165 Posted by: alek_a | Oct 14 2024 18:06 utc | 167 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2024 17:55 utc | 166 Posted by: Macpott | Oct 14 2024 18:18 utc | 168 Couple of US Black Hawks mooching around the Romania/Moldova border. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 18:48 utc | 169 I tell a lie, it’s the Ukraine border there… Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 18:50 utc | 170 Some insight into what went wrong during the initial stages of the Kursk incursion.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2024 19:00 utc | 171 RAF tanker over Jordan, from Akrotiri in Cyprus. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 20:16 utc | 172 Landed at Queen Alia International Airport. This should probably be on the other thread. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 20:19 utc | 173 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 14 2024 17:38 utc | 165 Posted by: Milites | Oct 14 2024 20:37 utc | 174 put crudely, in the end it’s not the relative number of bodies in the ground, but whose flag is flying over whose capital that counts. Posted by: Newbie | Oct 14 2024 20:54 utc | 175 According to RU MoD total losses for UA is 830k, i.e. irretrievable (dead and severely wounded) + sanitary losses (lightly wounded). Posted by: CL | Oct 14 2024 22:24 utc | 176 @Newbie | Mon, 14 Oct 2024 20:54:00 GMT | 175
Those numbers might still be too high. Unless Ukraine has mobilized over three million men already, which is possible, in which case the ratios would work. As recently as July Ukraine stated they had a manpower pool of 4.6 million men: https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-reveals-final-number-of-men-who-updated-mobilization-data/ That’s all the military aged men Ukraine has left. I’m not sure if that includes active military or not.
Indeed, this is the case. However what that number is, is anybody’s guess. I’m assuming a kill ratio closer to 1:1, or maybe 1:1.5 in favor of Russia. I don’t think it’s close to what Putin has stated. Otherwise, there would be much more room for Russia to maneuver on the battlefield. Posted by: James M. | Oct 14 2024 22:40 utc | 177 This post from the ZeRada channel points to an active effort (by US/NATO) to win the German popular support for a hot war against Russia. Does that kind of propaganda have any effect on the average German?
Posted by: Richard L | Oct 14 2024 23:27 utc | 178 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 14 2024 20:54 utc | 175 Posted by: Milites | Oct 14 2024 23:30 utc | 179 @CL | Mon, 14 Oct 2024 22:24:00 GMT | 176
Those ratios may be off. Only a few modern wars in history have had kill ratios that lopsided – the 1991 Gulf War (probably), and most of the Arab-Israel wars: Suez, the Six Day War, and the Yom Kippur war. Possibly the Winter War as well. All those wars were over in months, if not weeks. Posted by: James M. | Oct 14 2024 23:32 utc | 180 @Milites | Mon, 14 Oct 2024 23:30:00 GMT | 179
Show me evidence of that. An attacker still needs more troops to overcome a position, even with artillery and airplanes. In one study I read analyzing 605 battles going back to 1600, the attacker only won fourteen percent of the time with a force ratio of less than 1:1.
So they can’t move because the defenders are too entrenched? See my point above then. Posted by: James M. | Oct 15 2024 0:02 utc | 181
Is this satire? Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 15 2024 0:56 utc | 182 @James M Posted by: CL | Oct 15 2024 0:57 utc | 183 snake | Oct 13 2024 21:07 utc | 62 Posted by: Cynic | Oct 15 2024 1:52 utc | 184 Time of the Big Arrow is drawing near…….Winter is Coming….so are the White Walkers…….. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 15 2024 1:54 utc | 185 anonposter | Oct 14 2024 5:02 utc | 108… Posted by: Cynic | Oct 15 2024 2:05 utc | 186 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2024 10:41 utc | 124 Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 15 2024 2:23 utc | 187 @CL | Tue, 15 Oct 2024 00:57:00 GMT | 183
Well presumably if the kill ratios are what you think they are:
Then Russia would have more room for maneuverability and the RuAF wouldn’t have to worry so much about where to place their troops. That’s my point anyway, that the kill ratios are much lower than you suspect. Posted by: James M. | Oct 15 2024 2:56 utc | 188 Posted by: CL | Oct 14 2024 22:24 utc | 176 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Oct 15 2024 6:53 utc | 189 Poland rejects EU policy.
Ursula’s problems continue to multiply. Let’s see if she uses the opportunity to increase her power. Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2024 7:49 utc | 190
Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2024 7:50 utc | 191
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24625
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24627
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24626 Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2024 7:56 utc | 192
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Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2024 8:01 utc | 194 They’ve been stalled at Lyubimovka for a while now. Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 15 2024 8:17 utc | 195 From Zero Hedge this morning; note their scepticism about “Ukrainian military blogger” DeepState:
A direct link filters the post out, but it is up on their front page at the moment. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 15 2024 8:26 utc | 196 I actually follow DS daily. He updated the Kursk map very significantly twice, over past few days. Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 15 2024 8:41 utc | 197
https://t.me/the_military_analytics/21219 Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2024 8:47 utc | 198
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24628
Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2024 10:00 utc | 199 It’s evident that you allow bots like “Vargas”, and honeypots like (i know you jack) and spelling the beans, and trolls and shills. Posted by: vargas | Oct 15 2024 10:49 utc | 200 |
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