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October 13, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-245

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Look where the lines are and the rate of advance over the last month. Look how large the town is and how well supplied. Significant work needs to be done to take the flanks, prior to an entry. It is well fortified also. And the RFA will have to attack through the “expected” direction at the fortifications, versus an unexpected one. I do expect the town to fall eventually. But very significant things have to happen first.
Add onto that the weather. Any serious analyst (i.e. not an English major fluffhead writing for the MSM) thinks of the Pokrovsk capture in spring (or even summer or fall) of 2025. There’s just not enough time to get it done this year!
Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 13 2024 14:12 utc | 258

And that’s just Pokrovsk (I myself had been tricked into a false sense of it imminently falling a couple months ago; once again wrong any time a tiny bit of hope appears).
Slavyansk, Kramatorsk when?
Never mind there are also Seversk, Chasov Yar, Konstantinovka and Druzhkovka too in between.
We will be into 2026 at that pace.
That just in the Donbass.
Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Sumy, Chernigov, Poltava, Pavlograd, when?
Right bank Ukraine, when?
With these paltry forces and most of the strategic objects the AFU depends on being off limits for strikes because of the Kremlin’s veto, where are we going here?
How much damage will the Russian army, Russian civilians, Russian infrastructure and Russian industry take in the meantime from drone and missile strikes? Because those will only get worse with time.
Or the plan is to make a deal at the current line of contact, have Putin live out his last few years in the Kremlin in relative comfort, and then have the next guy deal with the mess after Ukraine is heavily rearmed and NATO is much better prepared for another war?

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 14:26 utc | 1

1917 (1):
Yup. Look at Chasiv Yar. Little bit of hope several months ago and then kaboom-stop!
I do give them credit for Vuheledar, recently. It was a tough nut. I think if you are going to be a serious analyst you have to give credit where it is due. But to both sides. UFA has had a lot of willingness to contest ground. Every time that the RFA cheerleaders say the dam has burst, a finger gets stuck in the crack.
We are looking at 1-2 medium-significant towns per year now. Soledar and Bakmhut in 2023. Avdiivka and Vuhledar in 2024.
Hasn’t been a large city since Mariupol in 2022. Well…Kherson. But then they lost it!

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 13 2024 14:47 utc | 2

Soviético | Oct 13 2024 14:36 utc | 2 translated:

Shadowbanned was looking forward to making the first post in the thread.

… along with anonymous. Shift has started, so tedious.

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 13 2024 14:56 utc | 3

Ukraine Weekly Update, 11th Oct 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-6c7

Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Oct 13 2024 15:08 utc | 4

This war ended in 1617 when Russia reached the Pacific Ocean. The heart of Eurasia now belongs to a powerful and definitive owner. Since then there have been only greedy throes from the Teutonic and Anglo-Saxon (and Japanese), hungry, decadent and endangered (out of repulsion towards good sex…).
But the real game is over a long time ago.
All that those repressed can have, if they try hard, is an atomic tasting for breakfast.

Posted by: Willian in The Sky | Oct 13 2024 15:13 utc | 5

Soviético | Oct 13 2024 15:17 utc | 8 translated:

Here in Brazil we call this “tabelinha”.

LOL 🙂 What in sam hell does ‘tabelinha’ mean ?

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 13 2024 15:30 utc | 6

In recent news, the Russians have been shamed by the Noble Committee for their ignominious threatenings over Ukraine; violation of the post-war status quo, which says we mustn’t openly discuss “nuking” each other (how very rude of them, how Tartarian). And they, the esteemable Noble politicos, make a point to say that it’s 80yrs. time since these bombs were first dropped, and the world will do well to not backslide, implying of course, that the Russkies are causing this slippage, taking the world to the brink.
All worthwhile points I’m sure. Except for the one obvious matter, this one simple oversight. These are simply histrionics and furthermore history lessons, and the West does not need history. They make history. Beware.

Posted by: Nothingburgers | Oct 13 2024 15:35 utc | 7

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 13 2024 15:30 utc | 9+
A table for the little kids that don’t behave during meals or conversations around the table.
That is what we call it in Madeira.

Posted by: adesanto | Oct 13 2024 15:36 utc | 8

shadowbanned | Oct 13 2024 14:26 utc | 1
“after Ukraine is heavily rearmed and NATO is much better prepared for another war”
By that time Germany will be deep in the doo-doo, China will be making advanced chips and inshallah sanctions will be pointless when the West has nothing worth buying.
Come on, tell us again why PUTIN MUST GO.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 13 2024 15:51 utc | 9

Yawn, I’ll return when there are thoughts worth discussing. Ill sidestep the sophomoric Western propagandist vomit on the floor. Watch your step, don’t slip in the desperation.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 13 2024 15:58 utc | 10

So here are these “paid advertisers” for the Agency, Mossad, MI6 or similar nefarious entities; splattering their dung all across the early postings on this thread. Well, maybe they could be Canuckistani Ukrainian retreads whose parents were D.P.’s back in the day. Quite tedious, they are.
As the proportion of shanghaied civilians begins to outnumber the Banderists and other “true believers” in the fake nation’s cause; those purported strongholds will be enveloped and mass surrenders would become the downfall of the Collective Wa$te’s proxy war-effort.
Already, signs like Scholtzie over in Krautlandia is getting cold feet as his population will miss those nice Russian gas-fed heaters in their homes…and starting to get restive. So his first step is cutting all the “relief” money and weapons to the Kiev regime.
Those intruders may cheer for awhile longer…until the lights go out all across the Banderite/Khazarian regime in Kiev, while those arctic winds roar in from the depths of Siberia.
General collapse of Europe’s buttpimple will occur first on the domestic front and then amongst those unwilling conscripts who may happily frag their Azov and mercenary “enforcers”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2024 15:59 utc | 11

Anonymous (3):
[Yes, replying to myself…don’t be h8er!]
To be generous, they probably take Toretsk/NY complex this year, so call it three, assuming they get it done.
2025? Maybe Chasiv Yar, Kurakavo (too lazy to spell check). And MAYBE Pokrovsk/Myrnograd complex. I say maybe, because it really will take a huge amount of development of the flanks (massive swaths of land) to get a semi-encirclement. If anything, I think the chances of taking Seversk are higher. At least it is already within a “pocket”.
Kherson? Odessa? Kharkov? I mean really only the latter is in any sense near term feasible…and would still take a massive change in forces. Not the small amount dicking around inside Vovchansk.

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 13 2024 16:11 utc | 12

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 14:26 utc | 1
Your arguments fall back to just one assumption: Russias leadership doesnt want to win the war because they prioretize protecting their brethren oligarchs that have interests in Ukraine and beyond. Not because they cant.
The majority of the commentariat here does not believe this assumption to be true. We assume that Russia cant win the war decisively yet because that are technical and economic realities preventing it.
All else is discussion about things downstream from that basic assumption. And it is endless, polluting everything with sideshows.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 13 2024 16:14 utc | 13

Instead of calling people trolls and paid shills, it would be a good idea to present a factual refutation of what is being presented as objective facts.
At the current rate of ~500 km^2 of territory taken a month, Russia will take over the whole of Ukraine some time in the early 22nd century. Yes, you read that correct.
That is an objective fact – it is what the simple math works out to:
485,000 km^2/500 == 970 months
970/12 = ~81 years
It logically follows that for the war to be won, there will have to be some kind of massive acceleration in the rate of advance.
How is that going to happen?
Well, the hope/cope is that attrition works in a non-linear way and there will be a collapse of the AFU soon. The problem is that we have been waiting for that collapse for a third year now, and it is not coming, quite the opposite – the AFU went on the offensive in Kursk and it is a very difficult hard fight to flush them out of there. Meanwhile in the Donbass things accelerated a bit, but not nearly enough. Remember Putin proudly boasting in the early days of the Kursk fiasco how “the rate of advance in the Donbass has increased 1.5 times”? What a pathetic fool…
So we shifted from the war being projected to be won by the year 2160 to it being projected to be won by the year 2110 instead. Fantastic win…
We hear a lot of about Ukrainians lacking manpower, etc., but the front is not collapsing. And it may never collapse because with drones a few guys holed up in some crevice in the ruins can hold back the other side for quite some time. So you don’t need that much manpower.
There are military-technical solutions that will deprive the AFU of the means to continue fighting. They involve things like finally striking the command-and-control centers, finally rolling out the mythical EMP weapons to kill the drones, finally destroying internal Ukrainian logistics, and, most importantly, nuking Poland and Romania, or at the very least the border crossings with Poland and Romania, to block supplies from coming in.
All of that is off-limits for political reasons having to do with the Russian elites not wanting to burn their bridges with the West.
So, if Russian elites and the Kremlin are actively sabotaging the war effort by forcing the army to fight with two hands tied behind its back, and with the military-technical situation in the condition of not being allowed to disrupt the enemy’s logistics being the current drone-imposed stalemate, how is the deadlock goind to be broken?
Nobody who is foaming at the mouth about trolls and paid shills has provided an explanation.
Until you are capable of providing one, please shut the f*** up or crawl up into some corner and begin the process of decomposition.

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 16:19 utc | 14

1917/Shadowbanned makes MoA unreadable.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 13 2024 16:23 utc | 15

Technossomy @ 5
I rarely insult people at the bar, but congrats on attaining unbounded stupidity.

Saw that Germany will no longer send tanks to Ukraine. Germany is the country in the EU with the most tanks by far, they were the bulwark to stopping an imagined Soviet invasion, or spearheading one if NATO ever saw the opportunity, whatever they had a lot of tanks. Guessing they sent many more than claimed, and they all got a Lancet up the keister. Either Project 404 is winding down, or they are out of functional tanks.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 13 2024 16:26 utc | 16

The majority of the commentariat here does not believe this assumption to be true. We assume that Russia cant win the war decisively yet because that are technical and economic realities preventing it.
Posted by: alek_a | Oct 13 2024 16:14 utc | 18

The military-technical solution is well known:
1) Mobilize two to three million people so that you have enough manpower to occupy and cleanse the territory. Those people exist – the active reservist pool is actually quite a bit larger than that.
2) Decapitate leadership and destroy command-and-control centers. A Day-1-of-any-war task that still has a veto on it because reasons…
3) Destroy internal Ukrainian logistics. Shut down the grid, kill the key bridges. It can be done in a single day, there are no technical barriers here. But there is a political veto.
4) Shut down the border crossings. 10-20 kilotons on each, and they are out of action for a long time.
5) If NATO still insists on meddling, make an example of Finland, Poland and Romania, end their existence (it will take a grand total of 150-200 Iskander missiles for all three of them), and dare the US to respond. The US will not respond, what will happen instead is the dissolution of NATO once everyone realizes that Article 5 is a fiction. Hopefully it does not get to that point after step 4), but if it must be, so be it.
Ukraine is then deprived of supplies and you move in freely, finish off the AFU, round up the Banderites for execution, and begin the slow process of fixing the mental damage that has been done to the remaining population by decades of Ukrainization.
But there is no technical problem here, only a political one.
The “economy” does not matter here, only brainwashed dimwits who read the business press too much think it does.
The state’s very survival is at stake. The “economy” can wait for after the existential threat is eliminated, and the sooner that is done, the better.

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 16:28 utc | 17

Nobody who is foaming at the mouth about trolls and paid shills has provided an explanation.

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 16:19 utc | 19
On the contrary, many folks here have repeatedly provided explanations, often including external links to other sources to support their explanations, something which you seem incapable of doing, incidentally.
However, you completely ignore, or fail to understand these repeated explanations as you continue to spam up the forum with the same old tripe day in day out. Whether or not you like the description, you are a tiresome shill for the ludicrous view that V V Putin should be overthrown, something which the CIA would be delighted to see. Holding this view you also reveal your supercilious Western contempt for the democratic wishes of the Russian people, who returned President Putin with an overwhelming mandate in the last election.
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BTW, would you like a superscript ² to copypaste, as you seem unable to work out how to make one appear?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2024 16:39 utc | 18

On topic (I hope) two doctors at Imperial College in London have developed a low-cost external bone fixator kit, which is being trialled in Ukraine, Sri Lanka and Gaza.
I’ve seen a lot of pics of people hobbling round Ukraine, and I know from someone who had a nasty motorcycle crash that these devices can put you back on your feet again in time.
I’m sure there are plenty of similar people in Russia, we just don’t see them, any more than we see funerals as we do in Ukraine. This information could be used anywhere.
Fixator website
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/external-fixator/
Articles about it
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/242401/affordable-device-fixing-broken-bones-piloted/
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medical-technology/articles/10.3389/fmedt.2022.1004976/full
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/242401/affordable-device-fixing-broken-bones-piloted/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10267263/
This is (hopefully) a public service post.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 13 2024 16:43 utc | 19

reply to 1, 17
It is deeply frustrating to watch this war. There is a lot Russia can do to wreck Ukraine rather easily that isn’t happening. I am driven to conclude that they have a patient game plan in operation. I notice that Mercouris largely thinks the same thing. No final Blitzkrieg yet.
IF the reports about Ukr. conscripts is true – that they almost entirely run away or go AWOL – then Ukraine can’t replenish their forces. A Google search reveals a huge amount of stupidity as with lengthy reports about Ukraine that don’t use any accurate or even believable numbers in regard to their military (as with a Congressional Report that just skips it).
If they are fielding 250K now, then at a rate of 60-70K per month, they are done in about five months. I find the 2K per day losses credible, given poor training, lack of air cover, lack of air defense, lack of ammo and so on. Russia would then face minimal troops and mine fields and the occassional missile.

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 13 2024 16:55 utc | 20

All things considered (not only military), it appears to me Russia’s progress toward victory is reaching the steep part of the exponential curve, approaching the “suddenly” in the expression, “first slowly, then suddenly.”

Posted by: norecovery | Oct 13 2024 17:00 utc | 21

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 13 2024 16:43 utc | 20

In Russia such kits have been produced by the score for years already.
One of the producers – Moscow CITO
CITO Telegram

Posted by: Bim | Oct 13 2024 17:09 utc | 22

I said 100 times.
By just destroying 750 KV electrical equipment Russia can end this war immediately. Without killing people.
Probably Russia has also military industrial complex and oligarchs who do not want this war to end soon.

Posted by: vargas | Oct 13 2024 17:12 utc | 23

@ adesanto | Oct 13 2024 15:36 utc | 8
Thank you kindly. Cheers
@ Shadowbanned/1917/et al | Oct 13 2024 16:19 utc | 14
Instead of calling people trolls and paid shills, it would be a good idea to present a factual refutation of what is being presented as objective facts.
What, do your job for you, feed the troll & further repeat by refutation, pollute & disrail threads ?
PS You wouldn’t, cannot be permitted to, recognize an objective fact/s if it was chained to the grill of prime mover that impacted you full on at 100Mph. FO.
@ LoveDonbass | Oct 13 2024 16:23 utc | 15

1917/Shadowbanned makes MoA unreadable.

Alas, ’tis so.

Posted by: outraged | Oct 13 2024 17:15 utc | 24

I think for the most people the word “Scaling” still does not make any sense at all
well whatever, thank you B, still watching everyday 😉

Posted by: Macpott | Oct 13 2024 17:18 utc | 25

Bim | Oct 13 2024 17:09 utc | 23
My understanding is that the UCL kit is quite cheap, and that’s it’s USP. I never doubted that Russia makes them.
“external ­fixators are complex and expensive. A single device can cost more than £2,000 and in conflict zones they are difficult to access. Sometimes homemade fixators are made but they often lead to serious complications.”
“We designed simple ways to make external fixators and tested them in Sri Lanka,” said Bull. “It was looking good. Then the Beirut explosion happened and there was an immediate call for hundreds of fixators to be sent there. We were not ready to help at this stage. Fortunately, other countries were able to step in and eventually send ­supplies. Nevertheless, it hit home that our ­initial idea had been the right one.” Since then, Bull and Saeidi have developed sets of instructions that can be used to manufacture fixators with limited skills and resources. “All that is needed is a supply of aluminium and some stainless steel rods,” said Saeidi. “It is very straightforward.”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 13 2024 17:22 utc | 26

Looks like Russia is going to find some comfortable lines to settle on in the winter and prepare for a winter campaign, more long range strikes with special forces surprise attacks. Arestovich is predicting a russian strategic offensive. That seems a little much but maybe an attack over a frozen river or starting a buffer zone in ukraine with a big push into sumy to start.
Those would be my guesses along with a missle campaign maybe to destroy the links between the nuke power plants and the grid.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Oct 13 2024 17:33 utc | 27

Honestly why do people keep falling for the bait?
The troll traffic surges when things are going particularly wrong for the AFU/NATO side. Regardless of Russian shortcomings.
The lines about the 22nd century and Ukraine rearming were amusing though. Rearming with what & whom?
Considering NATO’s degraded & expensive manufacturing capacity and Ukraine’s hideous demographic situation.
Perhaps 52 million to less than 30 million these days? There’s your “muh attrition” right there, most of it self-inflicted…

Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 13 2024 17:33 utc | 28

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 16:19 utc | 14
Doughboys and Lenin’s train ride. Cute.
“Simple Math…” You are using a higher variation of Mathematics. Know well by the original Greeks as Simpleton Math.
The time it takes to capture cities, large or small, without leveling them to the ground, with, say Nukes, is a bit long than it takes to run tanks over the frozen Ukraine prairies.
But you already know that.
This war is being fought throughout the world and Russia/China/Iran are winning, slowly strangling Europe and D.C. Whether it is the U.S. or Israel or Ukraine that is the tail or the dog is about as important as how many angels dancing on the head of a pin.
The point is the dog is attached to its tail at its anus. A good place for D.C., Israel and Ukraine to join together.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 13 2024 17:47 utc | 29

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Two Majors #Summary Overview for the Morning of 13 October 2024; 02:45 (GMT+3)⚡️
🗓 Over the past week, a series of RFAF counterattacks in the Kursk region came into focis. #Olgovka and several villages near #Lyubimovka have been liberated, and attacks are in progress near #Plekhovo. The AFU has been pushed back to the Glushkovsky district border. In heavy battles, observers note the increased skill of our command. The foe receives blows from several directions, gets surrounded, or is forced to withdraw under the threat of it. We are still far from the liberation the region, but the foe is forced to withdraw elite units for replenishment, replacing them with mobilised ones. The foe’s logistics are reported to be hampered, it becomes harder to move heavy equipment to the region. The #Sudzha GMS, the only remaining route for gas transit to the #EU remains an important object under AFU control.
🔹The ongoing RFAF counterattacks in the #Kursk region was the backdrop for Zelensky’s #EU visit, whose credibility in the West continues to fall due to his feckless ‘victory plan’ he presented in the #US before. The plan contained nothing new and resembled a ‘shopping list’, according to the Western press. It contained, as expected, #Ukraine’s demands to be taken into #NATO and given even more arms and equipment. Nevertheless, the West continues military supplies. New large aid packages are allocated (by US and their satellite #Germany), they write about France’s plans to deliver its aircrafts in 2025.
🔹#NATO supplies, the RFAF are trying to destroy. During the week 4 days in a row the #Odessa region’s port infrastructure was under our strikes, depots with arrived ammo were hit, a sea container ship in the port was damaged.
🔹In the #Pokrovsk direction, the RFAF continue their offensive. #Tsukurino is occupied, battles around #Selidovo, ours are on the edge of #Mirnograd. A ‘pocket’ east of #Zhelannoye2nd will be closed. To the south ours occupied #Ostrovskoye, opening the way to #Kurakhovo. Southwards the RFAF develop success after the capture of #Ugledar. We are going to #Katerinovka and #Antonovka, from #Vodyanoye to #Bogoyavlenka, and extending the control zone from #ZolotoyaNiva.
🔹Unpleasant were the ‘beautiful reports’ from the #Seversk area, which led to the impossibility of hitting the ‘occupied’ areas, as the command was informed about ‘full control’. After a series of publications by comrade Rybar, the situation has not changed. From the field they write: ‘They wrote off, shrugged off with fake videos. Reports on fiction continue.
🔹In addition, the head of the State Duma Committee on Defence Andrey Kartapolov’s judgment that the ‘blocking of the Discord messenger will have no effect on the communication between the military’ became strange. He said that ‘For the most part, fighters use ordinary button phones and radio stations.’ This is extremely strange, as there are a lot of photos on the Web of Discord being used at the front. By the way, there are alternatives, but the blocking of the software in use pointed to some inconsistency in the federal executive bodies’ actions.
🔹On the foreign policy floor, the joint statements of the military leaders of #Poland and #Lithuania about the need to prepare for war with #Russia and the determination to strike St. Petersburg without waiting for #NATO permission became indicative. So the West is prepares new countries for military action against us, without applying Article 5 of the NATO Charter on Collective Defence.
📌 Thus, despite the increasing talk in the Western media about plans for a peaceful settlement, the real #NATO actions show continued pumping of arms and equipment into #Ukraine, the condition for which is clearly for Kiev to send more meat to the front and to lower the mobilisation age. #EU countries are also taking measures to push Ukrainians to the front by reducing economic support. The whiny statements of Kiev and the West should not be trusted. Same tactic the foe used ahead the #Kursk region invasion.

https://t.me/two_majors/33655

Posted by: Down South | Oct 13 2024 17:47 utc | 30

…aluminium and some stainless steel rods…
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 13 2024 17:22 utc | 26

Russian regulations strongly recommend that anything going inside a bone is made of Titanium. That makes nails more expensive but as Ti is abundant in Russia not much more expensive. And aluminium as considered not strong enough, so the outer parts are made of steel, which is a bit more expensive as well but also abundant. Anyway Doctor Tsukanov have been reinventing these kits cheaper and cheper for 35 years already and they are affordable but reliable.
Doctor”>https://dr-tsukanov.ru//”>Doctor Tsukanov

Posted by: Bim | Oct 13 2024 17:48 utc | 31

According to our information, Ukraine is trying to approach the Kremlin with ideas on launching a negotiating track. They are trying to convey Zelensky’s initiatives through Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
However, the Kremlin refuses to even discuss Kiev’s proposals until the Ukrainian Armed Forces are driven out of the Kursk region. The President’s Office proposed another prisoner exchange and a ceasefire in order to begin negotiations on the current demarcation line.
Earlier, we reported that Moscow would not negotiate until the situation on the front fully corresponds to its interests. Any attempts to launch a negotiating track through “peace summits” will be blocked and marginalized. The West has failed to create leverage on Russia through its BRICS partners.
Ahead lies the capture of important settlements in the Donbass, the driving out of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the Kursk region, and Moscow’s tightening of demands on Kyiv. It is pointless to wait for the start of negotiations until the end of the US presidential elections and the final formulation of the new administration’s course towards Russia and Ukraine.

https://t.me/Taynaya_kantselyariya/11243

Bankova is trying to reach the Kremlin through the Turks and Saudis. With their help, Zelensky hopes to put Moscow on a “peace track”.
However, the Kremlin rejects any proposals from the Office of the President of Ukraine. Putin will not negotiate until he drives the Ukrainian Armed Forces out of the Kursk region and achieves a strategic triumph in Donbass.
According to our information, China, India and other unofficial leaders of the “global south” in communications with the Russian leadership demonstrate complete solidarity with the Russian Federation and promise not to change course, especially in view of the latest escalation from Kyiv and the West.
The Russian Federation is awaiting the results of the US elections. If Trump wins, we will see some form of detente by spring. If Harris wins, the war may drag on for another couple of years, until the start of a new large-scale conflict in the world (contours of Israel/Iran, China/Taiwan, North/South Korea).
Hoping that someone will follow Zelensky’s formula is sheer madness. Kyiv will not be able to gain support in other parts of the world except the West.

https://t.me/legitimniy/18848

Posted by: Down South | Oct 13 2024 17:53 utc | 32

Our source reports that all the demonstrative raids of the TCC are only the tip of the iceberg of the entire OP game. This is an order from Zelensky personally, who set the task for the entire security system to drive 200 thousand soldiers into the army in these 3 months, which are needed to replenish reserves and the ability to defend themselves.
Also plans for 2025 – 600 thousand mobilized. 50 thousand per month, which should again return the Ukrainian Armed Forces advantage in manpower over the army of the Russian Armed Forces, which is steadily replenished and growing by 30-40 thousand per month.
It is with manpower that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will fight next year. The losses in this scenario will be colossal, but Zelensky and Yermak do not care about them, it is important for them to retain power and convince sponsors that they are the best “managers” for their game. The interests of the Ukrainian people are not in this. The people are just expendable material.

https://t.me/legitimniy/18847

Our source reports that office LOMs are trying to sell the people the thesis that mass raids of the TCC are a fair mobilization, like they went to clubs and cafes. But this is another deception and cover. In fact, Bankova needs to urgently collect 200+ thousand “meat”, but how to do this? Yes, it is very simple. Under the slogan of hunting for rich kids, but in reality, hunting for “serfs”. It is like with the slogan about democracy, which is usually used to rob the people, the country and the nation.
TCCs have now gone everywhere. And most of all to ordinary places, such as markets, shopping centers, gas stations, etc., mainly ordinary people, workers, sellers, etc. are caught in this way. Rich rich kids have “formulas” and there are excuses. They are not afraid of such raids, but for an ordinary worker who did not buy himself a slope and worked secretly, this is a threat.
Be careful! Zelensky sold you to “sponsors”, promising to catch more than 200 thousand by the end of the year and another 600 thousand next year. Here he is implementing his plan.

https://t.me/legitimniy/18850

Posted by: Down South | Oct 13 2024 17:57 utc | 33

The result of the Kursk adventure is the loss of the country’s industrial potential. Together with the Donbass cities, Ukraine will lose two-thirds of its steel production. This will be a serious blow not only to exports, but also to the country’s defense capability – due to the lack of steel, it will be problematic to build concrete fortifications.
Thus, the loss of Pokrovsk alone threatens Ukraine with a shortage of coking coal. In this regard, steel production will fall by half, to 2-3 million tons per year – that is, Ukraine will reduce steel production by half due to a coal shortage. Yes, the territory controlled by Ukraine still has resources to achieve a steel production level of 12 million tons per year, but in the event of the loss of Pokrovsk, these figures may decrease to 2-3 million tons per year. And the whole point is that in Pokrovsk there remains the only mine controlled by Ukraine that produces coking coal, that is, the loss of the settlement threatens a shortage of such coal.
It should be understood that the total damage to the Ukrainian economy since the beginning of the military conflict has reached $1.164 trillion. A study by the Kyiv School of Economics shows that the greatest losses were suffered by the manufacturing sectors: trade – $450.5 billion, industry together with construction and services – $410 billion, agriculture – $83.1 billion. Significant damage was also inflicted on key infrastructure sectors: energy lost $43.1 billion, and transport – $38.8 billion.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/24599

Losing Pokrovsk means a collapse of the Ukrainian economy. This is what the Western press writes.
We believe that the loss of Pokrovsk will not kill what is already dead. It will simply increase the budget deficit and the need for Western loans. This will happen against the backdrop of a large-scale decline in the domestic economy, the bankruptcy of small and medium businesses.
We wrote in 2023 that each year of the Ukrainian crisis will become more expensive.
Also, since the end of 2022, we have been getting inside information that the rising cost of the Ukrainian crisis will ultimately lead to the West stopping giving money at one point and the Ukrainian economy will collapse to the bottom.
Everything is currently developing according to this negative scenario.

https://t.me/legitimniy/18846

Posted by: Down Douth | Oct 13 2024 18:00 utc | 34

Military experts note that Ugledar had a key position for controlling the southern flank of the Ukrainian Defense Forces in Donbass – it was an extremely advantageous position, a commanding height, densely built up, which provided the best radio horizons for drones and firing positions for all types of weapons. And the loss of Ugledar is a serious defeat for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which will have serious strategic consequences.
An important fortified area with a large number of equipped positions and minefields has been lost. After this, the Russian Armed Forces will roll up the front and attack Velyka Novosilka from the east and Kurakhovo from the south, and such convenient defense lines are no longer there.
Moreover, the loss of control over Ugledar deprived Ukraine of the opportunity to keep the land corridor to Crimea under any serious threat. Now the Crimean Bridge has lost its strategic importance for Ukraine.
As a result, we should now expect serious troubles in the Kherson region – the limited capacity of Crimea to supply the military group has ceased to play a decisive role in this theater of military operations.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/24601

Posted by: Down South | Oct 13 2024 18:03 utc | 35

If Ukraine manages to force Russia into a ceasefire(official or non-verbal) it would be a massive loss for Russia. Basically any time US wants to get back at Russia for the next 50 years they will be able to phone the proxy and order a strike inside Russia. They would have them by the balls so to speak

Posted by: UndeniablyReasonable | Oct 13 2024 18:05 utc | 36

In the Kurakhovsk-Pokrovka direction, the main points of clashes are the Novoselidovo-Izmailovka line.
The fighting is very fierce due to the special importance of the line. Russian units were able to consolidate on the northwestern outskirts of Izmailovka and in the eastern Novoselidovka, and tonight they advanced slightly in the west of Izmailovka.
The Russian Armed Forces want to cut off the last road to Gornyak and Kurakhovka with the help of a breakthrough here. If they succeed in breaking through, then there will be about 3 km left to the strategic road from Ilyinka.

https://t.me/the_military_analytics/21204

In the Ugledar direction, the Russian Armed Forces expanded the control zone north of the settlement of Vodyanoye.
Russian units began to increase the frequency of attacks on Ukrainian positions in the Bogoyavlenka area.
The Russian army will probably continue to move forward in this direction, trying to encircle Bogoyavlenka from the east and north, and then cut off the main road along which supplies are currently being supplied to the Ukrainian group through Uspenovka.
In addition, with such maneuvers, the Russian Armed Forces are trying to encircle Katerinovka from the south and southwest.

https://t.me/the_military_analytics/21206

In the Kursk direction, the Ukrainian garrison in Lyubimovka-Tolstoy Lug found itself in operational encirclement.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to try to unblock the Ukrainian garrison, squeezed by the Russian Armed Forces within the boundaries of the wooded floodplain of the Snagost River, Lyubimovka and in Tolstoy Lug. Attacks by Ukrainian units are carried out through the settlement of Novoivanovka, so far the attacks have not yielded results. In general, there are counter battles here.
If the unblocking strikes fail, the Ukrainian Armed Forces “encircled” in Lyubimovka will have only one chance – to try to break through the “gray zone”, which completely contains the Zeleny Shlyakh farmstead and adjacent areas.
At the same time, on October 10, south of Zeleny Shlyakh, when a Russian detachment quickly entered the forest belt, Ukrainian UAV pilots were killed. Apparently, the raid of the Russian Armed Forces was so swift that the Ukrainian drone pilots simply did not have time to leave. The breakthrough of the Russian detachments there was a small force of several armored personnel carriers with a landing force. Two versions have emerged regarding the death of the Ukrainian UAV pilots. The first is based on a statement by Ukrainian ombudsman Dmitry Lubinets, according to which the captured drone pilots were shot. The second is based on a statement by the Ukrainian military, who deny the shooting of captured Ukrainian soldiers. Aidar fighter Stanislav Bunyatov reports that the Ukrainian drone pilots who were surrounded did not surrender, but died in battle.
West of Lyubimovka, there are also battles in the area of ​​Malaya Loknya. But there are no changes in the LBS here.

https://t.me/the_military_analytics/21208

Posted by: Down South | Oct 13 2024 18:07 utc | 37

UAF has failed to break through to its encircled troops at
The Ukrainian Armed Forces failed to unblock the Ukrainian army units that were encircled in the Lyubimovka area; all attempts failed. Their fate is currently unknown. This was reported by the Ukrainian TG channel “Resident” with reference to a military source.
According to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the command of the Ukrainian group did not give the order for the withdrawal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine units from Lyubimovka in time, hoping that Russian troops would not be able to block them, and in the event of encirclement, it would certainly be broken through. However, all attempts to break through to them were stopped by Russian troops, and at the moment the fate of the encircled Ukrainian soldiers is unknown.
Some of the Ukrainian Armed Forces units were unable to leave Lyubimovka and were surrounded, the attempt to break the blockade failed, and now the fate of the military is unknown,
– the channel writes, adding that, despite the reserves being transferred by Kiev, the Russian Armed Forces have completely turned the situation around in the Kursk region, and now it is a matter of time before the entire region is finally liberated.
According to our resources, the enemy really was unable to break through to the encircled Ukrainian Armed Forces units in the area of ​​Lyubimovka and Tolsty Lug. As a preliminary, this morning our forces cleared Tolsty Lug and proceeded to Lyubimovka, attacking the Ukrainian Armed Forces troops entrenched there. drones and mines. There is no information yet on how things are going there at the moment. Another similar group has taken up residence in one of the buildings in Olgino, but everything is also heading towards a denouement there.
Meanwhile, Ukrainian military publics almost unanimously complain that everything in the Kursk region is against them: the weather, the slush, the fog. And even Western equipment has stopped driving in the mud. Everything is exactly like the Nazis near Moscow in 1941.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 13 2024 18:09 utc | 38

Kursk direction as of the morning of 13.10.24: Novoivanovskoye-Malaya Loknya-Cherkasskoye Porechnoye-Mikhailovka…
These were the main locations of yesterday’s battles. This is where the enemy is, where we attacked, and in general yesterday remained, as yesterday was, ours. And now a little more about all these areas.
South of Korenevo. Here yesterday the enemy continued to try to unblock the remnants of his garrison, which we had trapped in the wooded floodplain of the Snagost River between Lyubimovka and Tolsty Lug. The attacks went through the settlement of Novoivanovka, in which three tanks were involved during the day. Two of them were destroyed, the third has survived so far. These attacks did not yield any results, and therefore the front line here has not changed since yesterday.
We did not storm the encircled Ukrainian Armed Forces in Lyubimovka and Olgovka, but threw airdrops, FPV drones and mines at them. There is no particular sense in losing your own guys in the assaults. The enemy will sooner or later run out of equipment and ammunition, and when the unblocking attacks fail, they themselves will have to either break through to their own (and suffer losses), or surrender.
In Malaya Loknya, the fighting continued. Not particularly intense and inconclusive.
But to the south and east of Sudzha, the intensity of the fighting is gradually increasing. This morning, news came that we managed to drive the enemy out of Cherkasskaya Konopelka, and there are also reports of fighting in Mikhaylovka.
The loss of these two small villages, which are of key importance, will greatly complicate the situation for the Sudzha garrison. The loss of Cherkasskaya Konopelka gives us an important crossroads with hard surfaces and brings us to the approaches to Makhnovka (a southern suburb of Sudzha, with which it actually merges into a single building).
The loss of Mikhaylovka, as I said earlier, will lead to our occupation of Martynovka and again to an exit now to the eastern suburb of Sudzha, the settlement of Mirny.
The fighting continues.
Keep your fingers crossed and pray for the guys.

https://t.me/yurasumy/18528

Kursk direction at 15:00 13.10.24: “a bad dancer can’t afford slippers”…
Ukrainian publics are kind of sad this morning. Meanwhile, two days before that they were feeding their herd with victorious reports.
The day before yesterday, that all the positions that the “orcs” occupied on the 10th, they allegedly recaptured. Yesterday they were already saying more modestly that they only recaptured part of them, and the fighting was very tough.
Although, they didn’t recapture anything. But the “people” still “eat” that up.
And now this morning they started with lamentations. First, that the “orcs” shot the sanctimonious drone-men, and then (just like Guderian about the winter of 1941) they unanimously started writing about the weather…
That the weather in October in the Kursk region is wrong and prevents them from fighting. They say it started raining, and in the morning the fog is “raging”, and therefore the drones (their main striking force to this day) are not flying today.
And they can in no way replace artillery.
And the equipment that is NATO and which in their opinion was “the best” yesterday, and much better than “Soviet”, today … suddenly turned out to be unsuitable for the Kursk loams, swamps and soggy roads. But the “Orc”, that is, “Soviet”, which was wrong yesterday, suddenly became better than theirs.
And therefore, on the front, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are in complete trouble here, it is no longer possible to unblock the group encircled in Lyubimovka. And those units that are not encircled suddenly began to have problems with supplies themselves.
By the way, there will soon be no point in saving “private Tarases” in Lyubimovka. In view of the fact that right now, after we cleared Tolsty Lug in the morning, a cleansing of this “last stronghold of democracy” is underway.
It is difficult to call it an assault, since there is no longer a single defensive contour there, but there are separate pockets of resistance, entrenched in the cellars of the “zahysnyks”.
Moreover, our channels have already reported that Lyubimovka has already been cleared and they were a little hasty with this. But exactly a little. I think that by the evening everything will be over here.
Also, somehow not really believing in their bright future and realizing that the unblocking strike on Zeleny Shlyakh failed, which means that the pendulum will soon swing in the other direction, the failed stormtroopers of the Kursk NPP, who in recent weeks were sitting in the forests and gullies a little to the north, began to retreat without a fight.
The “zahysnyks” of Olgovka are still sitting in place. True, now only in one building (as a compaction at the request of representatives of the RF Armed Forces). And their fate is already sealed.
Moreover, judging by the artillery strikes, very soon (maybe even today) the front here may begin to move south again.
So far, so be it.
We keep our fingers crossed and pray for the guys.

https://t.me/yurasumy/18540

Posted by: Down South | Oct 13 2024 18:12 utc | 39

Alas, ’tis so.
Posted by: outraged | Oct 13 2024 17:15 utc | 24
Then 1917 is a sockpuppet of sob and will be banned quite soon. Right?

Posted by: Naive | Oct 13 2024 18:16 utc | 40

Posted by: vargas | Oct 13 2024 17:12 utc | 23
Fuck off, nazi agent provocateur.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 13 2024 18:24 utc | 41

Posted by: Down South | Oct 13 2024 17:47 utc | 30 &C
Thank you very much for posting all these reports, much appreciated.
This one in particular caught my eye:

It should be understood that the total damage to the Ukrainian economy since the beginning of the military conflict has reached $1.164 trillion. A study by the Kyiv School of Economics shows that the greatest losses were suffered by the manufacturing sectors: trade – $450.5 billion, industry together with construction and services – $410 billion, agriculture – $83.1 billion. Significant damage was also inflicted on key infrastructure sectors: energy lost $43.1 billion, and transport – $38.8 billion.

as it highlights the financial attrition Ukraine is undergoing, something that certain commenters refuse to even acknowledge.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2024 18:29 utc | 42

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 13 2024 16:43 utc | 19
That’s marvellous the brainboxes at Imperial College have re-invented the Ilizarov frame external fixator, which was invented / developed by Gavriil Ilizarov orthopaedic surgeon in the Soviet Union in the 1950s and eventually adopted in the west in the 1980s.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Oct 13 2024 18:37 utc | 43

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 13 2024 16:23 utc | 15
> 1917/Shadowbanned makes MoA unreadable.
Well he wants your beloved Donbass to be liberated quicker and sooner, to put the end to its suffering and devastation.
Don’t you want that too?

Posted by: hopehely | Oct 13 2024 18:38 utc | 44

Macpott at post 25 . My associate at OSB has something to say about scaling . In my view ” If I can create an explosion in my chemistry lab then am I competent enough to create a nuclear explosion ” ROFL . Over to Gerry Maddoux –oil engineer par excellence . If you don’t know the maths and physics behind scaling it is a waste of time .
” People rarely understand scale. To understand scale you have to go up and have a higher point of view.
Usually Math helps with that when there is talk about double digits percent of decline per year you think 10%, 20% or 30%, but let’s say 20% would do, if you think around 2% per month you think major hurricane type disruption, every month. And usually these things invite other things.
You would think that CIA or other alphabet soup agency have models and probably they do, there were 2 articles in Washington Post about the possibility of civil war in US, the articles by the same person cited the CIA model but blamed Trump. I can hardly imagine that they have a Trump variable in the supercomputer there.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2022/03/08/they-are-preparing-war-an-expert-civil-wars-discusses-where-political-extremists-are-taking-this-country/
Obama’s movie pretty much dances with the same concepts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leave_the_World_Behind_(film)

Posted by: hole in head | Oct 13 2024 18:43 utc | 45

Posted by: hopehely | Oct 13 2024 18:38 utc | 44
Have you ever heard of cost/benefit analysis? And the fact that the Russians are not into indiscriminate bombing like the anglo-saxon faggots. BTW, if they’re under the same (self-imposed) constraints as the Russians, the AS turds would be still attacking Bakhmut/Artemevsk 3 years into the SMO…

Posted by: Boo | Oct 13 2024 18:50 utc | 46

Posted by: Down South | Oct 13 2024 17:47 utc | 30
Great summary; real soldiers engaged is fierce combat, pockets of absurdly dysfunction command.
No hype, no cope, no reason for anyone to be taken in by swamp rats masquerading as troll busters.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 13 2024 18:57 utc | 47

Posted by: hopehely | Oct 13 2024 18:38 utc | 44
First, 1917/Shadowbanned is not he, it is she, and infirm old cat lady sitting in a cubicle earning pennies on a Sunday to supplement her meager pension, resentfull of rich and successful Russians.
Second, no, a lot more fascist ukrops need to be taken out of the genetic pool for the benefit of humanity.
Third, no, a lot more NATO adventurers must fertilize the black soil of the Ukraines for the benefit of future Russian and Chinese agri-investors (and their partners).
Fourth, I forget fourth, wait! no I forget, Here it is! Fourth, a lot more Mickey-Mouse-worshipping ukrops have to run to Poland and Germany, including those hot blondes at 300 euros plus a bag of potatoes the night.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 13 2024 19:00 utc | 48

Posted by: hopehely | Oct 13 2024 18:38 utc | 44
#######
I learned in business decades ago, We can either have something, cheap, fast, or right.
We can choose 2 of the three.
I don’t care how long it takes. I want it done right. I also don’t want to throw lives away. We will need every Russian in order to liberate Berlin again.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 13 2024 19:06 utc | 49

Everything Russia is not doing to win may be because Ukraine is the theater not the show. Keeping the black hole that is Ukraine sucking in nato resources and men,bankrupting the EU and US while exposing the weakness and moral bankruptcy of the west is setting table for a new world order which the defeat of Ukraine does not achieve.

Posted by: NewWorldDisorder | Oct 13 2024 19:12 utc | 50

It’s atrocity time once more with the BBC headline screaming:
Ukraine denounces Russia’s reported execution of captured troops
The Kiev-NATO/BBC Action propaganda machine and its NAFO X minions has been frothing at the mouth over a still image obtained by Deep State (the BBC reports it as ‘published drone footage’ as if its a video) of what purports to show the “execution of nine captured Ukrainian troops by Russian forces in the Kursk border region” (the Deep State report refers to them as drone operators).
One wonders if the timeline was screwed up by the clearly not-so oiled team of Deep State, BBC Action & Ukraine’s human rights ombudsman (who states he has written a stern letter to the UN and Red Cross). I say this because surely a mini-Bucha Western mediastorm should have been implemented before Zelensky went to Europe and came back empty handed, not afterwards.
An an aside, Kiev HR ombudsman Dmytro Lubinets writes in his breathless Telegram post:
“The international community should not turn a blind eye to such crimes!” – Perhaps he doesn’t grasp that especially in the last year, many in the international community have been perfectly comfortable with turning a blind eye to war crimes.
While debating on what the Deep State image actually shows has limited value until (and if) there is actual footage (and even then I’d be deeply suspect) to my eyes, the ‘still’ seems to show 9 individuals on the ground, several clearly well and alive with one looking like his brains have been blown out (or photoshopped out).
BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g5y80dr5vo
Image Source:
https://x.com/GabeZZOZZ/status/1845407433134358920?t=FOM51rF0LjU77NNNkQDAcw&s=19

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Oct 13 2024 19:13 utc | 51

Muh European unity

Zelensky ‘Left Seething’ After Meeting With Polish Minister Over WWII Massacre by Ukrainian Fascists
Poland’s political class has generally been at the forefront of powers cheerleading Ukraine’s entry into Western institutions including NATO and the European Union, notwithstanding underlying tensions over the World War II-era massacre of tens of thousands of ethnic Poles by Ukrainian ultranationalists lionized by the post-2014 regime in Kiev.
Volodymyr Zelensky was reportedly “left seething” after last month’s meeting with Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski, who impeded the Kiev regime’s aspirations to join the EU by tying the issue to demands that ethnic Poles killed by Ukrainian fascists during WWII be exhumed from their final resting places in what is now western Ukraine.
Sources told Bloomberg about the tensions, which are said to have coincided “with mounting war fatigue” among Kiev’s Western sponsors, and growing uncertainty over post-2014 Ukraine’s constitutionally-mandated pursuit of membership in the EU and NATO.
As many as 100,000 ethnic Polish civilians and tens of thousands of Russians, Jews, anti-fascist Ukrainians were murdered en masse by members of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (Ukrainian acronym UPA) – an ultranationalist militia operating in Nazi-occupied western Ukraine during the second World War. Killings and terrorism largely took place between 1943-1944, but continued into the early 1950s. Between 100,000 and 200,000 Ukrainians would fight in the UPA, compared to over six million who served in the Red Army.
In post-2005 Orange Revolution Ukraine and especially after 2014, UPA leaders Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych have been idolized as heroes and fighters for Ukraine’s independence, with monuments erected in their honor and streets renamed to carry their names in cities across the country. Former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich revoked his predecessor’s decision to posthumously award Bandera and Shukhevych ‘hero of Ukraine’ titles in 2011 prior to his ouster in a coup three years later.
Polish Minister of Defense and Deputy Prime Minister Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz announced publicly last week that Kiev “will not join the EU if it does not address the Volyn issue, if there is no accord, no exhumations and no remembrance.”
Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk hinted as much at a press conference in August, saying “there is a need to dig into this history [of the WWII-era massacres, ed.] if we are about to build a good future,” and warning that “as long as there is no respect for those standards from the Ukrainian side, then Ukraine will certainly not become part of the European family.”
But the matter could be a risky endeavor to undertake for Zelensky, who discovered shortly after taking office in 2019 the power wielded by pro-Bandera ultranationalists in Kiev, nearly getting ousted for expressing support for the Steinmeier formula for peace in the Donbass. An admission of guilt for UPA’s crimes against Poles may trigger similar protests from the powerful informal lobby of jackbooted thugs.
A Polish government official told Bloomberg that failure to resolve the bitter history will create “an opening for extremists” and could undermine Warsaw’s support for Kiev.
Despite their strategic partnership, officials and politicians in Warsaw have not shied away from slamming Kiev’s displays of affection for Bandera and the UPA. Last year on the 80th anniversary of the massacres, former Sejm lawmaker Mateusz Piskorski suggested that the Zelensky regime’s “war as anti-Russian puppets of the Anglo-Saxons is none of our business,” and that it was “idiotic” for Warsaw to “talk about some kind of brotherhood and strategic partnership” with a country that considers Bandera and Shukhevych heroes.
“If we don’t interfere, let’s stop financing the state that appeals to neo-Banderism, let’s end the risky delivery of arms and equipment, the multi-billion [zloty] tranches of non-repayable aid. After all, we would not support Germany if the authorities in that country began erecting busts of Heinrich Himmler and monuments to Adolf Hitler,” Piskorski urged.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20241013/zelensky-left-seething-after-meeting-with-polish-minister-over-wwii-massacre-by-ukrainian-fascists-1120535618.html

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2024 19:18 utc | 52

Reading the relentless copium from the retarded cultists is sweet joy. Zero Nato troops killed.

Posted by: MoonieCultist | Oct 13 2024 19:31 utc | 53

Posted by: hole in head | Oct 13 2024 18:43 utc | 45
well, I got the privilege of playing starcraft in very young age and well I learned chess with 4 years
they can have their models, no problem but… I can see how the world transforms
so scaling is not something that organisations are the ones that can do it even alphabetical ones 😉
it is more about realizing how mass effects work, and this can happen with a flower in your garden

Posted by: Macpott | Oct 13 2024 19:38 utc | 54

Posted by: Boo | Oct 13 2024 18:50 utc | 46
> Have you ever heard of cost/benefit analysis? And the fact that the Russians are not into indiscriminate bombing like the anglo-saxon faggots.
Hm. The benefit would be liberation of Donbass, and the cost would be a few pulverized anglo-saxon faggots? That looks more like double benefit, a win-win.

Posted by: hopehely | Oct 13 2024 19:42 utc | 55

Zero Nato troops killed.

Posted by: MoonieCultist | Oct 13 2024 19:31 utc | 53
Of course not, just hiking accidents and training accidents. Helpfully the Northern hemisphere is entering the season for skiing accidents…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2024 19:49 utc | 56

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 13 2024 19:00 utc | 48
> First, 1917/Shadowbanned is not he, it is she, and infirm old cat lady sitting in a cubicle earning pennies on a Sunday to supplement her meager pension, resentfull of rich and successful Russians.
Well, I am always for support of old and infirm ladies.
1917, If this is helping your financial situation, just keep posting! I like your channeling of Comrade Alksnis!

Posted by: hopehely | Oct 13 2024 19:56 utc | 57

Reading the relentless copium from the retarded cultists is sweet joy. Zero Nato troops killed.
Posted by: MoonieCultist | Oct 13 2024 19:31 utc | 53.

According to the Kiev regime’s ambitions, hundreds of thousands of ‘wannabe’ NATO troops have already been killed along with thousands of NATO trained & funded mercenaries, advisors and technicians.
Given your nom de plume, the use of the term ‘retarded cultist’ suggests your subconscious is desperately trying to tell you something.

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Oct 13 2024 19:58 utc | 58

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Oct 13 2024 19:13 utc | 51
Given the numbers of UAF surrendering, the Kiev regime, in an attempt to install fear into its troops, contrive a story about executions of ukraine troops by Russian troops.
KIEV STILL RELIES ON LIES AND DISINFORMATION. BUT ITS SO EASY TO SPOT NOWADAYS.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 13 2024 19:59 utc | 59

A while ago it was the sensible consensus here that the conflict would go on more or less as long as the US wanted it too, that Team Zelensky could ramp up the fascism and press gangs so long as the US delivered necessary supplies, a literal exhaustion of mobilisation victims was seen as a long way off.
For some reason the consensus has slipped back to the earlier position of near-term Ukrainian mobilisation collapse, for which it’s always been possible to make at least a plausible sounding argument that later turned to be false.
The bar consensus has actually got dumber – or “stupider”, as it were – under the weight of hype and cope pedalled here.
It’d certainly be nice if some worthy past contributor were to take up commenting here again but this mostly a heal thyself kind of problem.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 13 2024 20:46 utc | 60

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 13 2024 20:46 utc | 60
Very few here, including your good self, factor in the prospect of near-term Ukrainian civic and economic collapse. Military strength/weakness or territory gained/lost is irrelevant.
$1.164 trillion (and rising) in lost economic output for Ukraine is unsustainable. Western currency counterfeiting in an attempt to maintain things just brings a wider downfall closer.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2024 21:02 utc | 61

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 16:19 utc | 14
All of that is off-limits for political reasons having to do with the Russian elites not wanting to burn their bridges with the West.
Posted by: vargas | Oct 13 2024 17:12 utc | 23
Probably Russia has also military industrial complex and oligarchs who do not want this war to end soon.
<=empire zionism (EZ) controls everything that happens inside of the nation state system; EZ is global in reach, and massive in influence. Seems to me it would be proper for the military to target oligarchs in enemy nations; and for the duration of war and during periods when international treaties and agreements are being negotiated it would be a good idea to deny domestic oligarchs access to any communication with either the domestic government or with persons or parties outside of the subject nation state? This is not practical it seems because the oligarch generally own the factories and have the expertise it takes to keep the factories running; the factories make the goods and provide the services the war needs? Supplying war needs is trade; trade provides the energy that makes EZ so powerful. This dilemma accounts for the strength of, the global nature of and the own all, take all, control all ideology I call EZ. The most greedy are for the most part the Oligarch. It is for this reason that a global 2nd government is needed to keep in check those who govern in each of the 256 or so nation states; because it is these governments that control the populations of the world. Traditional government must go on, but if war between oligarchs is to be averted every government in the world will need to be obligated to limit its activities to activities that do not violate human rights; otherwise war will always be on the table. (Greed leads to abuse, corruption and War all three of which violate human rights).

Posted by: snake | Oct 13 2024 21:07 utc | 62

The bar consensus has actually got dumber – or “stupider”, as it were – under the weight of hype and cope pedalled here.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 13 2024 20:46 utc | 60
I am uncertain about the MoA you are referencing, but it does not appear to be this one, Mr. Anon. Hype and Cope serves as a fundamental element of sustenance in Kiev and the west. Wasn’t it your lot that consistently asserted that Kiev was “winning,” claiming that Russia was engaging in combat with shovels and repurposed chips from washing machines? Was it not your group that asserted Putin was suffering from cancer? Was it not your group that asserted you would be sunbathing on the beaches of Crimea by the summer of 2022? What, then, of the purported million-man army that was said to be in the process of formation?
Now thats what you call hype and cope!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 13 2024 21:11 utc | 63

I am uncertain about the MoA you are referencing, but it does not appear to be this one, Mr. Anon. Hype and Cope serves as a fundamental element of sustenance in Kiev and the west. Wasn’t it your lot that consistently asserted that Kiev was “winning,” claiming that Russia was engaging in combat with shovels and repurposed chips from washing machines? Was it not your group that asserted Putin was suffering from cancer? Was it not your group that asserted you would be sunbathing on the beaches of Crimea by the summer of 2022? What, then, of the purported million-man army that was said to be in the process of formation?
Now thats what you call hype and cope!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 13 2024 21:11 utc | 63
And yesterday hermie elensky told a tv channel that russia lost 1200 troops in 24 hours. hehe. one lie after another.

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Oct 13 2024 21:13 utc | 64

So the Russian Federation continues the war against NATO that the latter is in denial over; keeps getting rid of the non-existent Nazis in Ukraine; keeps up the attrition and de-militarization of Ukrainian AND NATO gear; and so on.
The only reasons to be in a hurry is to save lives and get on with solving other important problems. And the other side wants nothing to do with that outcome.
Frankly, the Russian Federation seems quite capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time. The upcoming BRICS meet in Kazan should be proof of that.

Posted by: N. Hanrahan | Oct 13 2024 21:18 utc | 65

Hype and Cope serves as a fundamental element of sustenance in Kiev and the west.
Now thats what you call hype and cope!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 13 2024 21:11 utc | 63
THATS TRUE. MOST FOLK TURN OFF WHEN ZELENSKY IS IS THE TV. THEY KNOW ITS ALL BUNKUM WHAT HE SAYS

Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Oct 13 2024 21:20 utc | 66

Gosh, the vermin are out in force again. Sigh. I can say that I’ve gotten much better at recognizing their styles, so less of my time is wasted with their bleatings. (Do vermin bleat?)
It is a testament to the quality commentators here that I keep coming back. I won’t name names, as I would fear to unintentionally slight someone whose contributions I value. Well, just one! Jeremy Rhymings-Lang. That I value him should give folks an idea of who I mean when I say “quality commentators.”

Posted by: Hunsdon | Oct 13 2024 21:21 utc | 67

THATS TRUE. MOST FOLK TURN OFF WHEN ZELENSKY IS IS THE TV. THEY KNOW ITS ALL BUNKUM WHAT HE SAYS
Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Oct 13 2024 21:20 utc | 66
We’re sick of watching the insane bastard zelenski and his band of western happy clappers on our screens. he’s not gonna be around for much longer i suspect. I know something……
Who looks the more stressed Zelenski or Pre Putin?

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Oct 13 2024 21:27 utc | 68

Interesting information on territory from Willy, basically confirming my impression, that RFA was slowing down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix5Zdrn4bgw (see 11:40 timestamp)
As of 12OCT, DS showed 106 kmsq taken. Extrapolating that to a full month (i.e. multiplying by 31/12) gives a monthly rate of 275 kmsq.
If we compare that to previous months, it shows SLOWING, not SPEEDING UP.
JUN: 108
JUL: 181
AUG: 363
SEP: 209
OCT: 275
So…this is the opposite of what someone upstream said about being at the “suddenly” part of the bankruptcy slide.
Also, while the numbers remained small in magnitude. And the amount of acceleration was not breathtaking. I still gave RFA credit for the JUN-JUL-AUG-SEP progress. Saying that it looked like perhaps those who thought attrition was having an effect might be starting to be right.
But now? Sorry. OCT is backsliding. So much for the “breakpoint” hoper-copers.
Oh…and have fun during the mud season and the winter.

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 13 2024 21:38 utc | 69

(SEP should be 409. Typo.)

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 13 2024 21:39 utc | 70

Chabad controls both sides.
The targets are all Slav men.

Posted by: cirnosad | Oct 13 2024 21:44 utc | 71

@ Anonymous, §§69, 70:
We´re only half-way through October . . .

Posted by: John Marks | Oct 13 2024 21:53 utc | 72

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 13 2024 21:38 utc | 69
You might find it educational to look at Ukrainian reserves; and I don’t mean military, rather the reserves of the NBU (National Bank of Ukraine). That clock is ticking much faster than maps from a sub-contractor to the Ukrainian state.
Despite claims by MMT advocates that periodically post here, the IMF is far from a fixed exchange rate ideologue, and quietly continues to press the NBU to allow the hryvnia more freedom to float (or sink, as the case may be). The NBU is resisting this, but is burning through reserves far faster than a summer holiday excursion into the farmyards and cow pastures of Kursk.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2024 21:56 utc | 73

@ Anonymous, §§69, 70:
We´re only half-way through October . . .
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 13 2024 21:53 utc | 72
😂Classic….typical of NAFO trash

Posted by: Fyador | Oct 13 2024 22:06 utc | 74

“At the current rate of ~500 km^2 of territory taken a month, Russia will take over the whole of Ukraine some time in the early 22nd century. Yes, you read that correct.”
Based on movements until March 1943, how many centuries would it take the Russians to get to Berlin? Don’t forget to factor in the Battle of Kursk.

Posted by: Neven | Oct 13 2024 22:07 utc | 75

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 13 2024 21:38 utc | 69
JUN: 108
JUL: 181
AUG: 363
SEP: 209
OCT: 275
September should be 409
October is only half way through
Well, Mr Anonymous, seems its the opposite of what you claim and in fact the numbers are INCREASING

Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Oct 13 2024 22:10 utc | 76

72, I prorated OCT and showed the math behind it. We are on track to 275. Have 109 now.
76:
a. I corrected myself on SEP (see 73)
b. No duh. I prorated OCT and explained the math.

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 13 2024 22:14 utc | 77

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 13 2024 22:14 utc | 77
Thats a total of 1,136 square kilometres in 4 and a half months. I’d say thats not bad at all.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 13 2024 22:19 utc | 78

There is a Wiki site that quickly allows estimates of area taken
Looking at settlements captured
Jan ` 3
Feb 5
March 4
April 10
May 22
June 8
July 11
August 19
September 8
October 4
The trend is upwards

Posted by: watcher | Oct 13 2024 22:29 utc | 79

The Russian government is planning for 2.6 million of its people to have fought in Ukraine by 2027, according to new projections for the draft state budget. It anticipates more than doubling monthly payments to veterans to 267 billion rubles ($2.78 billion) by 2027.
‘We Can Explain’ reports that explanatory notes for the draft state budget indicate an increase in monthly payments to veterans from the current 120 billion rubles to 267 billion rubles. All veterans are entitled to 4,188 rubles ($43.71) a month, indexed to the inflation rate.
There were already an estimated 540,000 veterans of the Ukraine war by June 2024. This is a significantly higher figure than the Finance Ministry had expected, so the 2024 budget expenditures had to be increased.
According to Putin in December 2023, 617,000 people were then currently at the front and according to recent Wall Street Journal reports, an estimated 400,000 have been demobilised due to injuries. About 1 million people are thus currently eligible for veterans’ pensions.
The demobilised can already claim veterans’ pensions. Their numbers are calculated to increase by about a million in 2025, reaching 1.5 million. By 2027, it is calculated that 2.6 million people will have served in the war (or about 4% of Russia’s entire male population).
As the figures indicate, the huge number of war veterans and war wounded is likely to put a strain on the Russian economy for decades to come, unless their pensions are cut drastically. The increase alone between 2024 and 2027 amounts to an extra $1.5 billion a month.

Source : https://t.me/mozhemobyasnit/19082

Posted by: Chris O | Oct 13 2024 22:47 utc | 80

517,000 Ukie dead in SMO.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/126485

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 13 2024 22:51 utc | 81

The ranks of Russia’s super-rich are reported to have grown substantially during the war in Ukraine, with the number of billionaires growing by 53% and their collective wealth increasing by nearly 65%. At the same time, small businesses and pensioners are struggling.
The ‘Chelyabinsk of the Future’ Telegram channel reports that since the start of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the number of Russian billionaires has increased from 88 to 135 (of whom 10 have moved abroad and renounced their Russian citizenship).
The combined wealth of the billionaires has increased from $350 billion to $576.8 billion, a 64.8% growth. Not surprisingly, figures from the official state agency Rosstat show that the Gini coefficient, which shows the level of income inequality, has risen significantly.
At the same time, small businesses have been hit hard by the economic impacts of the war such as inflation, logistical disruption, difficulties in making payments, and high interest rates. They are reported to have suffered a 25% drop in income.
Pensioners are also suffering – despite an inflation rate of over 9% in August 2024, the real purchasing power of pensions has only increased by 0.6%. This is reportedly due to the authorities indexing pensions well below the level of real price growth.
At the start of the war, proponents of sanctions on Russia hoped that pressure on Russia’s super-rich would turn them against Putin’s war. However, rather than suffering, they seem to be doing better than ever before.
It’s likely that Putin is consciously allowing them to profit in order to keep them on board with the war effort. In short, the war may be binding them closer to Putin, while increasing repression is discouraging the economic losers from complaining.

Source : https://t.me/ChelFuture/7361

Posted by: Chris O | Oct 13 2024 22:56 utc | 82

RUSSIA WILL REBUILD EVERYTHING DESTROYED IN DONBAS – PRESIDENT PUTIN
“Special words of gratitude go to the agricultural workers from the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions and Donbass, as well as the border regions of the Kursk, Belgorod, and Bryansk regions,” the head of state said
Russia will create conditions to realize the agricultural potential of Donbass and Novorossiya and will restore all the damaged facilities, President Vladimir Putin said in the video address on the occasion of the Agriculture and Processing Industry Workers’ Day.
“Special words of gratitude go to the agricultural workers from the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions and Donbass, as well as the border regions of the Kursk, Belgorod, and Bryansk regions,” the head of state said. They are putting a lot of efforts and doing their best despite the challenging situation, Putin stressed.
“Such dedication and fortitude deserve the deepest respect. We will continue to prioritise assistance to you. Step by step, we will restore and rebuild everything that was destroyed or damaged. Of course, we will create conditions for realising the vast agricultural potential of our historic territories which have reunited with Russia,” the head of state added.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 13 2024 23:07 utc | 83

Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 13 2024 23:07 utc | 83
I saw a video on YT from a young man living in marupol and the way the city has been rebuuilt and so quickly is quite amazing.

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Oct 13 2024 23:21 utc | 84

RUSSIA WILL REBUILD EVERYTHING DESTROYED IN DONBAS – PRESIDENT PUTIN
@83
Wouldnt be surprised. Lool at building of the crimea bridge. dedication.

Posted by: Fyador | Oct 13 2024 23:42 utc | 85

Thats a total of 1,136 square kilometres in 4 and a half months. I’d say thats not bad at all.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 13 2024 22:19 utc | 78

There are 480,000 square kilometers left to take.
At that rate, how long will that take?
Not bad at all, yeah…

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 23:52 utc | 86

Have you ever heard of cost/benefit analysis? And the fact that the Russians are not into indiscriminate bombing like the anglo-saxon faggots.
Posted by: Boo | Oct 13 2024 18:50 utc | 46

Nobody is talking about indiscriminate bombing. That will not win the war anyway.
We are talking about precision strikes against the targets the destruction of which will win the war, which are so obvious to everyone with above room-temperature IQ, and yet have been off-limits for three years now.
The Kremlin literally has the tools to ensure Ukrainian defeat within a day, although the defeat after that will play out over some period of time simply because of how much weaponry was already allowed to pour into the country.
The Western calculation is simple – Russian elites will be willing to sacrifice millions of their people rather than forcing the US to really make the choice of whether it wants to go to a strategic exchange over Ukraine (at which point the US will have no choice but to back down), because taking the kind of measures that will win the war decisively undermines the internal position of Russian elites, so they are resisting doing that. Meanwhile Western elites are fighting for the survival of their own system.
There is a fundamental asymmetry and vulnerability here, which has so far been very skillfully exploited.
But sure, in the State Department they are all incompetent diversity hires, and all the rest. Yet those incompetent diversity hires maneuvered the mighty Russia into accepting 24/7 bombings of its pre-war territory without a single shot being fired back at NATO in return…

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 23:52 utc | 87

Also, while the numbers remained small in magnitude. And the amount of acceleration was not breathtaking. I still gave RFA credit for the JUN-JUL-AUG-SEP progress. Saying that it looked like perhaps those who thought attrition was having an effect might be starting to be right.
But now? Sorry. OCT is backsliding. So much for the “breakpoint” hoper-copers.
Oh…and have fun during the mud season and the winter.
Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 13 2024 21:38 utc | 69

Attrition destroyed Germany in WWI and Germany and Japan in WWII because both of those were cut off from external supplies.
Not the case with Ukraine — any kind of weapon can and is brought in from NATO’s untouchable rear, mercenaries from all over the world are streaming in to earn some money and rape, kill and pillage across Russian lands, etc.
Until the Western borders are secured, forget about “attrition” really solving the problem any time soon.
There is plenty of meat to throw on the fire.
It may happen in 5-10 years, but by that time the eastern belt of NATO countries will have been ordered to join the fight, and with the Kremlin’s insistence on not using nukes, it will be more of the same shit show in perpetuity.
A remarkable success for Putinism…

“At the current rate of ~500 km^2 of territory taken a month, Russia will take over the whole of Ukraine some time in the early 22nd century. Yes, you read that correct.”
Based on movements until March 1943, how many centuries would it take the Russians to get to Berlin? Don’t forget to factor in the Battle of Kursk.
Posted by: Neven | Oct 13 2024 22:07 utc | 75

See above. Germany was getting supplies from all of Europe, but only France, Belgium the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway were on its western side. As the Soviets moved east, they took over territories that Germany used to supply its war effort, and thus the collapse accelerated.
Plus, extremely important, the Soviets were fully mobilized and on total war footing.
Meanwhile the current shit show features Putin insisting on maintaining “normalcy” and not doing a total mobilization.
I outlined the recipe for winning the war above, I am not going to repeat myself. One of the necessary conditions was a total mobilization.
If you only allocate just enough forces to slowly, slooowly, veeeery sloooowwwwly grind your way through the densest foritifcations while refusing to disable the enemy’s logistics, isolate the battlefield, and attack through Sumy and Chernigov, where defenses are much weaker, well, of course you are going to get current stalemate.
If you want more than that stalemate, you need to do all those other things. Simple as that…

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 23:53 utc | 88

Thats a total of 1,136 square kilometres in 4 and a half months. I’d say thats not bad at all.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 13 2024 22:19 utc | 78
There are 480,000 square kilometers left to take.
At that rate, how long will that take?
Not bad at all, yeah…
Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 23:52 utc | 86
What has time got to do with it? YOU ARE LOSING…..SIMPLE AS THAT!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 13 2024 23:59 utc | 89

The poster with the year of the Russian revolution:
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
The same old, tired arguments we’ve read here from Putin critics on MoA for years, just made much more clumsily and inarticulate than shadowbanned did, before he disappeared.
Bring something original or just keep me n beclowning yourself. You’re wasting all of our time.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 14 2024 0:01 utc | 90

Ukraine is in for a very, very cold winter thanks to the Volo and his UK masters….
RF has already destroyed 80 percent of the UF power grid, and is now knocking down rail bridges and repair yards, and severing rail lines.
Logistics resupply for UAF forces and fueling civilian heating systems will be a steep challenge this winter.
The entire front is about to come crashing down….Winter is Coming…..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 14 2024 0:04 utc | 91

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Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Oct 14 2024 0:09 utc | 92

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 13 2024 19:49 utc | 56
There is no special season for such accidents. For instance Jean-Louis Georgelin died on 18 August 2023. He came too close to the front, but officially he fell while hiking on the Pyrenees.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 14 2024 0:20 utc | 93

Posted by: watcher | Oct 13 2024 22:29 utc | 79
Stupid people care about territory. Clever people care about people.
Stupid people did not study the history of Russia. Especially the year 1812.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 14 2024 0:23 utc | 94

517,000 Ukie dead in SMO.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/126485
Posted by: Surferket | Oct 13 2024 22:51 utc | 81
This number is underevaluated.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 14 2024 0:26 utc | 95

This low rent dumb limey (looks like) pederast 1917 and his posse are writing from the same shitty MI6 script about territory gained. This post from the panzerwaffle TG channel succinctly summarizes that it’s end game for the ukro-turds and their Atlantic masters are panicking:

In connection with the statements of Polish General Andrzejczak about a possible strike on St. Petersburg, #КапитанДоктрина draws your attention to the following points:
1. Andrzejczak literally says the following: ” If Russian troops cross the border with Lithuania, the allies will strike strategic Russian facilities within a radius of 300 km in the first minutes. We will strike directly at St. Petersburg. ”
From the territory of Poland it is impossible to do either the first or the second for purely geographical reasons, which means that the Pole is in complete control of the fate of the Baltics.
In NATO planning, the Baltics have always been seen as a bargaining chip, but it is always good when there is clarity from the closest (heh-heh) allies.
2. There is no talk about Ukraine. Let us emphasize: Russian troops have not yet taken Pokrovsk, and Eastern Europe is already in full swing discussing the defense of the Baltics.
What does this mean? That the Russian army has already “chewed” two Ukrainian armies and is finishing up the third. And then there will either be a hastily formed fourth one from whatever comes to hand, plus direct NATO intervention, or a huge space that no one can defend and the collapse of Ukraine as a state.
And the territories? This conflict was never about territories. Any expert still measuring success or failure in the territories should look for a new job.

Posted by: Boo | Oct 14 2024 0:35 utc | 96

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 13 2024 22:51 utc | 81
I know this may not be verified Mr Surfeket, but ive seen recent reports that kiev has lost OVER ONE MILLION soldiers.
This is a huge loss for ukraine and the west. Theyve managed to hide the figures obviously because if it were known that so many had died, it would raise eyebrows.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 14 2024 0:36 utc | 97

Posted by: 1917 | Oct 13 2024 23:53 utc | 88
Hey dumb pederast, I don’t read your vomit, but given that you leave your verbal diarrhoea on pretty much every page, van I ask you to go suck on your boyfriend’s cock and leave this blog in peace

Posted by: Boo | Oct 14 2024 0:39 utc | 98

I know this may not be verified Mr Surfeket, but ive seen recent reports that kiev has lost OVER ONE MILLION soldiers.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 14 2024 0:36 utc | 97
Jeeeez! Kyiv has lost 1m soldiers?

Posted by: Jesper in London | Oct 14 2024 0:52 utc | 99

I know this may not be verified Mr Surfeket, but ive seen recent reports that kiev has lost OVER ONE MILLION soldiers.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 14 2024 0:36 utc | 97
Nah! I’d say not more than 800,000. Thats more realistic. I agree though, the ukes have taken a horrible beating recently. Reports say theyve lost 1,000 a day in kursk alone!!!!

Posted by: Fyador | Oct 14 2024 1:02 utc | 100