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The MoA Week In Review – OT 2024-236
Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:
Ukraine:
Palestine:
— Other issues:
Europe:
The Bezzle:
Deep State railroading Trump:
Delusional:
"Not agreement capable":
Amal Saad @amalsaad_lb – 13:42 UTC · Oct 6, 2024
What we are witnessing in Gaza and Lebanon isn't just the end of international law, but the possible demise of diplomacy itself, which predates it by millennia. The US' weaponisation of cease-fire negotiations to systematically ravage Gaza and Lebanon have turned US diplomacy into a weapon of mass destruction. Meanwhile, the remainder of the West’s unwavering support for Israel's genocidal war machine risks bringing European diplomacy to the same fate.
The normalisation of genocide on the one hand and the destruction of sovereign states like Lebanon and potentially Iran on the other, is leading to the growing realisation among the Resistance Axis that it can't count on the rationality, let alone the moral compass, of the West to end this emerging Armageddon.
Use as open (not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine) thread …
This is not a monster post, it is a collected bunch of relatively short replies. Skip through looking for your screen name, otherwise it gets repetitive, I fear.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 6 2024 22:16 utc | 74 What Finkelstein said was factually wrong, hence not interesting. See my later comment that crossed yours. Sometimes because of automatic hostility to Marxism I skip writing “bourgeois” democracy, but I didn’t skip in the later comment.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 6 2024 23:05 utc | 80 “Democracy is not election it is governance by the people, which doesn’t exist anywhere…” There is no abstract or ideal democracy like that. As long as we live in class societies, there will be some sort of state which always defends the property of the ruling class. Actually existing democracies are always the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Actually existing socialism is closer to governance for the people and of the people and our current ideas of how by the people will look in practice remain to be worked on. Expecting actually existing democracy to look like your personal vision irrefutable, more or less by definition since I can’t transform your brain. But it confuses discussion to selectively apply your idiosyncrasies to reality, in my opinion.
Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 6 2024 23:35 utc | 87 Yes, Aristotle was half right, though he was still wrong re “democracies” by disregarding the class of slaves, metics and oh, yes, women. But for better or for worse, the modern meaning of “democracy” surreptitiously borrows from socialism to tacitly assume all the people, not just the classes counted as citizens. It’s hard enough to get people to distinguish actually existing democracies, which are all distatorships of the bourgeoisie even when they adhere to bourgeois democratic forms. I find it remarkable that many people who counterpose their private ideal democracy to actually existing democracy also counterpose it to actually existing socialism. For what it’s worth, more use of sortilege seems advisable to me, but random nobodies being given access to the workings of government is suspiciously like the justification for journalism? Sortilege can be fixed. There are no magic fixes.
Posted by: jinn | Oct 6 2024 23:39 utc | 88 Again correct. “What did you want to happen? Did you expect they would invent a time machine and go back in time and redo the primaries?” That is exactly what such critics are implying, except they won’t say something so blatantly silly. My hypothesis is that they wanted to split the Democratic Party and ensure a win for Trump.
Posted by: Roland | Oct 6 2024 23:55 utc | 89 Come on, now you are being intentionally obtuse about US primaries…Funnily enough most ‘Muricans would not call Iran a democracy… All of this is simply a mockery of actual representation.” jinn is not being obtuse at all in my opinion and also in my opinion it is more likely you is intentionally obtuse. For the record, I do rate Iran, Israel and the US as actually existing democracies, and the differences in democratic-ness are beyond my poor powers to authoritatively rate. Actually existing democracies always provide actual representation for the ruling class in some fashion: It’s open dictatorships or fascist governments that break formal and informal legal equality and universal suffrage etc.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 6 2024 23:56 utc | 90 If Finkelstein wanted to say something “interesting” he would have said something true, instead of just spouting Trumpery. If you and Findelstein can’t even notice that leaving the VP nomination to the whim of the presidential nominee is a Bad Thing (fu, if you insist) then nothing anyone can say can help either of you. And your follow up @95 “the fix is in” suggests more crazed BS about national vote counts being falsified in a decentralized system where both parties count votes and sit in courts that judge disputes. Stupidity isn’t interesting, unless you redefine the word.
Posted by: jinn | Oct 7 2024 0:24 utc | 96 In my opinion, you should, not could. “What I’m objecting to is the completely obtuse belief that the Democrats pulled some sort of egregious fraud by nominating Harris.” Most plausible hypothesis is not stupidity, I fear. Butthurt because they wanted an easier win for Trump (at some level even they know the vote count isn’t fixed.) Possibly, because Trump made the complaint and the devotees are singing to the choir. Possibly the Sinclair Rule comes into play, but I rate this low. Who would pay money for MoA’s “influence?” Your follow up @98 is still correct and still futile, I think.
Posted by: Roger | Oct 7 2024 0:43 utc | 101 Concede that the Losurdo is informative, but caution the unwary Losurdo does not support, much less document, that bourgeois or liberal democracy is purely “performative.” Losurdo is documenting how liberal democracy is compatible with the class dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, not arguing for feudalism, monarchy, absolutism, dictatorship or whatever.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 7 2024 1:06 utc | 107 “The problem in the West today is that even the simplistic operation of mercantilism, much less the more advanced economic theories of comparative advantage, are lost…” Mercantilism is opposed to comparative advantage and vice versa, so this is at best very confused. It’s like talking about simplistic operation of Divine Right of Kings and more advanced theories of socialism in the same breath.
Posted by: Constantine | Oct 7 2024 2:16 utc | 110 “…the narrative of the regime…” does not say the selection of the VP nominee by the presidential nominee is a Bad Thing, which makes Constantine either an incompetent reader, a liar or a fool. “The purpose then of the [Ignatius] article is to maintain the plausibility of a potential assassination to be heaped upon the Iranians…” Constantine is far more likely to be privy to the purposes of of the CIA than I am. Skipping over the implausibility of the CIA assassins briefing their friend in the media on such things, insisting that the most obvious impact of the article is Iran-baiting, not Trump baiting is a stretch. The CIA (or other) covering its ass just in case is also a possibility. “A suspicious assassination of Trump might lead to volatile paths in the highly polarized US, if there are strong implications for Deep State involvement.” That’s why an airplane crash, or some of those experimental drugs that mimic or even induce heart attacks or choking to death on a pretzel while drunk would be preferable. If you insist on conspiracy theory, at least make a plausible one! A stream of leaks about Trump’s business dealings are conspicuous by their absence. This is not an incidental, as it refutes the unstated and indefensible premise the CIA is a monolith opposed to Trump.
Posted by: jinn | Oct 7 2024 2:21 utc | 111 “That would be more accurate, but frankly I don’t get why nomination process matters to you. The only thing that the duopoly voters are voting for is Trump or Not-Trump. That is the way its been for 8 years so why the sudden anguish about who will be Not-Trump?” The only sensible answers I can come up with is, butthurt because Trump has a harder campaign given the universal media hostility to Biden since Afghanistan. Or because Trump complained about it and the devotees must as well.
Roland@136 Answering the proof the rules weren’t violated with a claim the rules are a sham doesn’t address the issue. If the larger point is, the American Revolution was a sham and a delusion, I say, down with the British Empire (too.) Trump was not a blip in the sense Sanders was, that’s why he got billions in free publicity but Sanders was hidden as much as possible.
Posted by: jinn | Oct 7 2024 12:07 utc | 141 This is correct. Only a bad reader, a fool or a liar would conclude that means jinn endorses the actually existing rules and procedures of bourgeois democracy as it actually is, are therefore just. Not everyone assumes means justify ends, that what’s legal is just. Personally I believe the true corruption is in what’s legal. jinn may (or may not) believe the same.
Posted by: Roland | Oct 7 2024 12:58 utc | 145 “It’s just weird to emphasize that point, because it’s usually empire apologists who insist on the DNC following its own rules. Sure, they kind of do, but its rules are deeply undemocratic and the candidate selection process built upon them almost without exception a meaningless theater.” Two points: Of course the elections matter, the presidency is designed to be commander-in-chief and the national executive. That’s why the rich invest so much in gaming the system, it makes a difference. If it was mere theater, they wouldn’t spend so much. Second, bourgeois democracy is very much about following rules, that’s how the bourgeoisie reconciles its internal rivalries and erects a facade of legitimacy. The substance is still a class dictatorship. Not following rules is correctly perceived as tyrannical. Even absolute monarchs who ignored “advice” from the leading nobles was criticized.
passim Darma, thumbs up!
Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 7 2024 18:43 utc | 173
No idea if this is a reasonable take on the matter, posted for your information.
https://ilyavaliev.livejournal.com/9579519.html
What is this “pact on the future” that Russia did not sign, adopted by the UN? What will the world be like?
Well, did you want the UN to change? It has changed! But I’m afraid you won’t like it. In New York, it seems, they’ve found a way to combat our veto. At least the decision-making levers are planned to be completely different in the future.
The UN General Assembly adopted the “Pact for the Future” in the last days of September . Why was it talked about so little in Russia, despite its epochal significance?
Because we didn’t sign it!
It is said to be “a historic declaration promising concrete actions to create a safer, more peaceful, sustainable and inclusive world for future generations .” The pact was supposedly adopted by consensus, but there was no consensus?
Six other countries did not sign it along with Russia: Nicaragua, Iran, Sudan, Belarus, North Korea and Syria. And 15 countries abstained from voting: China, Cuba, Iraq, Laos, Malaysia, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and others.
Several countries, including Russia, Iran, North Korea and Syria, had called for a provision calling for non-interference in any matters concerning national sovereignty and for the primacy of intergovernmental discussions. The UN bureaucracy wrote on the organization’s website that this ” undermined the role of civil society or private sector interests .” ” The amendment was rejected after the 193-member Assembly decided not to act on the proposal ,” the UN website says.
That is, the topic of non-interference in matters of national sovereignty has not passed! And this alone suggests that the “Pact on the Future” is a de facto document that is mandatory for signatory countries regardless of their national interests. This is how the initiators of its creation – the world globalist “elite” – see the “Pact on the Future”.
The Pact is a lengthy document, resembling verbal chaff, mixed and rammed into 56 pages of tightly packed text. But one must read it carefully. And what do we find there?
Behind a multitude of repetitive phrases and lists, references to minor problems, behind vague definitions, the most serious things are deliberately hidden, by signing up to which the country falls into the bondage of the UN bureaucracy – the public spokesman and engine of the ideas of the globalists.
The pact states that “global governance must be transformed ” and that it ” will be changed .” But the mechanism for change is unclear without knowing the background to the pact.
Hidden within the document is an extremely dangerous proposal, first put forward in UN Policy Brief No. 2 of 2023. This proposal is aimed at convincing the UN General Assembly of the need to create some kind of “Emergency Platform” that would not be a permanent institution but a set of “protocols” (a sequence and nature of actions) that could be put into effect in the event of complex global shocks .
Upon careful reading, it becomes clear that the “Emergency Platform” will be activated whenever the UN Secretary-General decides that this most “complex global shock” has occurred, affecting not one but several countries. This could be anything: a climate emergency, a collapse in supply chains, a pandemic, or an unforeseen event that completely changes the course of events, etc. However, the concept of “shock” is entirely subjective .
In this case, the UN Secretary-General, on the basis of the “Emergency Platform”, will take over the management of the emergency situation, arbitrarily deciding when and what measures to take and when to end these activities. In essence, the UN Secretary-General is given dictatorial powers on a global scale.
The policy brief suggests that in this case the Secretary-General would enter into consultations with the President of the UN General Assembly, the President of the Security Council and, where appropriate, with national authorities and regional organizations and relevant UN entities and specialized agencies, international financial institutions and other multilateral institutions mandated to respond to crises in specific sectors.
Key to this list are the UN departments and specialized agencies and international financial institutions such as the World Health Organization (WHO), the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and other international organizations directly controlled and financed by the globalist “elite.”
For example, the WHO can declare a “pandemic” at the click of a button from Washington. And this will be sufficient grounds for the UN Secretary General to introduce restrictive measures on a global scale in the area of passenger transportation, free movement of food and industrial goods. It is so easy to provoke world hunger.
By the way, it was the WHO that came up with the idea of issuing electronic “vaccination passports” during the recent COVID-19 “pandemic”, which effectively replaced traditional passports and were a pass to normal life for vaccinated people. Without them, it was impossible to work in the West and, therefore, to provide oneself with finances, travel, etc.
As for the IMF, for example, a financial collapse provoked by the “elite” itself in a number of countries or throughout the world will give the UN Secretary General the right to initiate the introduction of, say, a single global digital currency, which IMF Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva is already talking about with bated breath.
If globalists are pushing this thesis about “complex global upheavals” so persistently and urgently into the international agenda and building all sorts of world governance structures on it, it means that one or several upheavals are already on the threshold. What will it be? Another pandemic? World war and famine? Global financial collapse?..
It seems that the eternal thesis of the Russian Foreign Ministry that Russia should not leave the UN, because, supposedly, Russia can tell the truth on this platform, can now be destroyed. Firstly, our truth is of no use to anyone there and our opinion, as well as the opinion of several other countries, did not prevent the adoption of this “Pact on the Future”. The globalists are doing their job, stupidly breaking everyone over their knee. And the UN is openly turning into a world government with dictatorial habits, which is controlled by the world globalist “elite”, practically no longer hiding in the shadows.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 8 2024 17:38 utc | 193
Well whadayaknow…
euro complaining the banality of evil !
NEW YORK — Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen blasted China for supporting Russia in its war against Ukraine and accused Beijing of not playing by international trade rules
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Urgh
She means the ruse based order !
Of course thats not the Chinese cup of tea
In an interview with POLITICO on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York, Frederiksen name-checked China as part of a group of four countries including Russia, North Korea and Iran, whose close cooperation “has huge global consequences.”
***Such as thwarting the full spectrum dominance of the ruse based order ?
“I don’t think it would be possible for Russia to have a full-scale war for more than two-and-a-half years now without help from China,” she said. “We cannot continue a situation where China helps Russia in a war … in Europe, without consequences. They have to be held responsible for their activities.”
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Pray tell when’d NATO be held responsible for killing 30M civilians since WW2 ?
She added that the consequences for Beijing must be political. “You cannot on the one hand let Russia attack another European country and continue like nothing has happened.
Urgh !
The banality of evil…!
Another 20 Chinese had just bitten the dust in Pak, killed by CIA/MI6/RAW merc
Dr Mahathir
FUKUSA, the world’s no 1 terrorists
who are still prancing on world stage, anointing themselves as judge, prosecutor, executioner.
We have tried with all actors on the global season to have good cooperation — we tried it with Russia, buying their gas and their oil, building up diplomatic, normal political relationships. It did not work; they attacked a European country.
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While NATO attacking hundreds of countries in ROW counts for nuthin ?
Only white life matter !
What about the attack on Ex Yugoslavia ,?
Urgh !
The slavs aint white enuff !
“I think we have tried to do the same with China — to have normal cooperation between partners on different aspects and topics. We cannot allow ourselves to be naïve … You cannot go back to the situation before the war in Ukraine and the same goes for China now
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anglo/euro have been attacking China nonstop since when…8NA ?
“I think we need to be less dependent on China,”
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Did the Chinese point a gun at your head ?
YOu can stop it any time you wish.
Except you even force the row to cancel China as well.
what’s this…Chinese Exclusion Act 2.0,
or more like GLOBAL CEA this time around ?
Dependency is always a mistake when you find out that you don’t always share the same values and interests … I think Europe always tries to play by the rules but when you find out that someone else is not doing it, then you have to be able to react.
Sounds really hollow when you are sharing values with iNDIA, iNDONESIA, Israel and ……FUKUSA, aka UKUSA, the greatest terrorists OUTFIT of all time ?
Im glad China did not share ‘values‘ with this charmed circle
this view was shared by the European Commission under President Ursula von der Leyen. “That’s also the words we hear from the Commission,”
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What else is new ?
hyenas always hunt in a pack innit ?
Has been that way since time immemorial
Garden vs ROW
Who needs the Jews ?
Europe has been facing pressure from the United States to take a more robust stance toward Beijing, as President Joe Biden’s administration seeks to bolster its own domestic industries and counter what it sees as increasing Chinese dominance in the Indo-Pacific region.
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No EXCUSE
Tiny Serbia. , HUngary can show the finger to Washington, why cant the powerful euroclan ?
cuz they have been WILLING partner in crime since the 8NA
Thats all folks !
Posted by: denk | Oct 8 2024 18:07 utc | 194
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