Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 5, 2024
The ‘Birth Pangs’ Of The New Middle East May Not Be The Ones The U.S. Has Wished For

Edward Luce for the FT:

How Netanyahu is ‘running rings’ around Biden (archived)
The US president had hoped to disentangle from the Middle East. But the turbulence in the region could influence the election and define his legacy

“Netanyahu knows how to play the Washington game better than most US politicians,” says Alon Pinkas, a former Israeli diplomat, now columnist for the Haaretz newspaper. “And he has been running rings around Biden.”

On countless occasions over the past year, Netanyahu has appeared to agree to one thing with Washington and done the opposite in practice. Whether it is wranglings over the terms of a Gaza ceasefire and hostage release, or the more recent attempt at a 21-day ceasefire with Hizbollah, each time Biden is left looking impotent. “The Biden administration seems to be saying, ‘We’re suffering from a bit of autumn damp,’ ” says Pinkas. “No, this isn’t seasonal damp, it’s Netanyahu urinating all over you.

This has been the general theme of a media campaign for a while. "Natanyahoo is steamrolling Biden and the poor guy can do nothing about it."

I do not buy it. One phone call from the White House to the Pentagon would hold resupply flights from the U.S. to Israel. Without constant supply renewal the Israeli Air Force would have to stop its bombing campaigns in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen within days if not within hours.

But instead of calling the Pentagon the whole Middle East team around Biden, Antony Blinken, Brett McGurk and IDF soldier Amos Hochstein, has been urging Israel to extend its campaign.

They are hoping, like the neoconservatives in 2006 during the Bush administration, for the 'birth pangs of a new Middle East', which will forever change the strategic situation on the ground.

Behind the scenes, Hochstein, McGurk and other top U.S. national security officials are describing Israel’s Lebanon operations as a history-defining moment — one that will reshape the Middle East for the better for years to come.

The thinking goes: Israel has obliterated Hezbollah’s top command structure in Lebanon, severely undercutting the group’s capabilities and weakened Iran, which used Hezbollah as a proxy and power projector.

The internal administration division seems to have dissipated somewhat in recent days, with top U.S. officials convening Monday at the White House with President Joe Biden to discuss the situation on the ground. Most agreed that the conflict, while fragile, could offer an opportunity to reduce Iran’s influence in Lebanon and the region.

The conclusion from this is that Netanyahoo is largely doing exactly what the Biden administration wants him to do.

The strategic situation may well change. But it is not going to be the way Biden and Netanyahoo may hope for.

Most of the 200 missiles Iran fired on Israel two days ago passed through the Israeli air defenses and hit their targets with good precision. Some expensive air planes got damaged but no one was hurt. A similar strike on Israeli energy facilities could easily disable the country for months of years to come. A strike on IDF barracks or Israeli population centers could easily cause mass casualties.

Shortly after the strike President Masoud Pezeshkian met with Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud in Doha, Qatar:

The Saudi minister voiced his country's determination to develop relations with Iran, Xinhua news agency reported.

"We seek to close the page of differences between the two countries forever and work towards the resolution of our issues and expansion of our relations like two friendly and brotherly states," he said.

He highlighted the "very sensitive and critical" situation in West Asia due to Israel's "aggressions" against Gaza and Lebanon and its attempts to expand the conflict in the region. He said Saudi Arabia trusted Iran's wisdom and discernment in managing the situation and contributing to the restoration of calm and peace in the region.

Yesterday the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, held Friday prayers in Tehran. Little remarked in western media was the fact that he sermon was largely voiced in Arabic and that the whole event was seen on Arabic live TV through AlJazeerah.

This already is a new Middle East in which the Gulf states are no longer hostile to Iran and which the religious schisms between Sunni and Shia has largely lost its power.

Who then is left of the former U.S. allies? On whom can it call for support in the region when it plans to attack Iran?

Has this whole U.S.-Israeli campaign really helped to "reduce Iran’s influence in Lebanon and the region"? Will continuing it ever do so?

My impression for one is that it has strengthened the front against Israel and the positions of Iran in and beyond the Middle East.

Comments

Posted by: JAB | Oct 5 2024 21:09 utc | 172
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The ADL invented the term antisemitic to shame people by calling them racist.
When you accuse someone of antisemitism for whatever reason, you’re playing the Zionists game the way they want you to.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 21:36 utc | 198
He ran again.
The ADL now invented antisemitism.
“The term anti-Semitism emerged to describe these efforts. In Germany, Wilhelm Marr, if not the coiner of the word then certainly one of its major early popularizers, thought of himself as a modern man, a student of history and science. Anti-Semitism allowed him to distinguish the party he launched in late 1879 — the Antisemites’ League — from the religious bigotry of medieval Jew-hatred.”
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/where-the-word-anti-semitism-comes-from/

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 21:45 utc | 201

Posted by: Sam | Oct 5 2024 21:30 utc | 192
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Russia does what it does in consultation with its partners in China and India.
If they choose not to do something today, there is likely a good reason, we cannot discern.
It is dangerous to think that what we think we know is all that there is to know.
I don’t know about you, but I was only President of the Russian Federation for one weekend and didn’t have time to acquaint myself with every last plan and briefing. 😂
It is impossible to be a rational analyst if one allows themselves to become emotional.
Putin, Xi, and the Ayatollah cannot allow themselves that loss of self-control. If they do, millions could die, rather than tens of thousands. Part of their job as leaders of civilizations is to harden their hearts to be able to make the tough and necessary choices.
They don’t have the luxury to complain about shoulda, woulda, coulda on the internet.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 21:48 utc | 202

malenkov 85
Arming both sides of a conflict serms to be an American specialty.
No , it’s an anglosaxon speciality that is admired by the Nazi Khazars

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2024 21:48 utc | 203

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 21:45 utc | 204
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I will say this once.
I am not running from you.
Based on your violent and obsessive postings, you’re clearly not well, and so I am avoiding you.
I wish you good luck.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 21:50 utc | 204

I will say this once.
I am not running from you.
Based on your violent and obsessive postings, you’re clearly not well, and so I am avoiding you.
I wish you good luck.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 21:50 utc | 207
Yes, you are. Is colonialism a White phenomenon? Did the ADL “invent antisemitism?”
Give it your best shot, nincompoop.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 21:53 utc | 205

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 21:45 utc | 204
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I will say this once.
I am not running from you.
Based on your violent and obsessive postings, you’re clearly not well, and so I am avoiding you.
I wish you good luck.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 21:50 utc | 207
Give it a rest, Ticky. Don’t obsess on the man, focus on the ideas and analysis.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2024 21:56 utc | 206

meanwhile back at the genocide ranch
https://x.com/NourNaim88/status/1842637870235897862
Nour Naim| نُور @NourNaim88
🚨Breaking: Northern #Gaza is experiencing horrific destruction once again. The Israeli airstrikes are brutal, and my friends are pleading for help on social media.
The situation is terrifying and desperate.
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1842659200561746298
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
#Israel warned people in a #Beirut suburb to evacuate several buildings to bomb them. Forcing civilians to evacuate is a war crime. If there were a Hezbollah office there, the members would also evacuate. So, there is no room for speculation. Israel is destroying Dahiye to make it more expensive for Hezbollah to rebuild after the war and to create IDPs (internally displaced persons) for years to come.
See photos at the link comparing Gaza a few years ago and in 2024. dare I say it, imagine f*cking tel aviv like this:
https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1842491747328205038
Jackson Hinkle 🇺🇸 @jacksonhinklle
💔🇵🇸 BEFORE & AFTER Israeli terrorism in Gaza.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2024 21:56 utc | 207

Saturn V was never intended for the low orbit of ISS.
Posted by: Mario | Oct 5 2024 19:53 utc | 118

Sure, when the ISS was put in orbit, Saturn V was history.
By the way, Saturn V was a complete failure and only able to go to low orbit.
https://www.aulis.com/saturn_v.htm
https://www.aulis.com/saturn_v_evaluation.htm
https://www.aulis.com/apollo11saturn_v2.htm

Posted by: Naive | Oct 5 2024 21:57 utc | 208

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Oct 5 2024 21:54 utc | 209
Irak? Might you be Northern Euro like me?

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 21:57 utc | 209

” It is dangerous to think that what we think we know is all that there is to know.
I don’t know about you, but I was only President of the Russian Federation for one weekend and didn’t have time to acquaint myself with every last plan and briefing. 😂
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 21:48 utc | 205 ”
Amazing lack of self-reflection. If you, and others here, followed your advice there would hardly be any comments here as most are pure speculation, opinions, and conjecture. Are you A.I. ?

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 5 2024 21:57 utc | 210

After Macron and Bibi have been “beefing”, IDF planes are now targeting and destroying French gas sites in Lebanon.
Wow.
Drip, drip, drip.
Thank God for the internet. Things like this would have been covered up pre-’95. Now with social media, millions in France will know by tomorrow.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 21:58 utc | 211

Like 9/11 October 7 was cooked up by Straussian neo-cons to justify a pivot into central Eurasia. There are a few things to note:
* Central Eurasia has never been subjected to European imperialism. Russia and China have historically been too large and resilient to control. Their territories are the El Dorado of 20th-21st century capitalist exploitation.
* This in not for lack of trying. Spain had plans to conquer China in the 16th century. From then on the empires of capitalism have successively burned their fingers trying to dominate and loot Iran, Russia, Afghanistan and China. Britain’s domination of India was the exception, but there are historically good reasons why it was able to do so (maritime empire). This incidentally also explains US success in the Pacific. An examination of earlier imperial polities (Persian, Roman, Seleucid, Mughal) would show how these regions might be incorporated. It would show that the character of European capitalist imperialism was structurally and culturally incapable of anything but plunder which it nonetheless mystified as a civilizing process. Conrad’s Heart of Darkness is the key text here and remains so.
* 9/11 was the Pearl Harbour moment that brought US public opinion along for the adventurism of Afghanistan and Iraq. Both have failed spectacularly (and within a time span that any self-respecting imperialist would be ashamed of).
* The use of Ukraine as the tip of the spear to weaken a resurgent Russia has also failed. The miscalculation here partly derives from the astonishing and infantile lack of talent in western leadership and diplomacy (and the complete opposite in BRICS).
* October 7 is 9/11 redux. There will be many in the US who can see that its power globally is rapidly waning. Once the dollar cracks its military collapses. Domestically the USA is a basket case (Helene drew aside that veil). Everything we see now is being done with a barely concealed panic born of dawning realization. Shrill media hysteria, poor decision-making, senile leadership, allied dismay—all point to creaking contradictions that western institutions can no longer support.
*It’s over, and here in little Oz we’d better get busy getting on the right side of history or else we’ll be cooked too.

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 5 2024 21:58 utc | 212

” Manifest Destiny is also a common motif in all nationalisms, as these always remain bound to specific territorial claims, which often go beyond existing national boundaries and clash with other such claims of other nation-states. Clearly, Israel is a case in point.
Posted by: Cabe | Oct 5 2024 21:32 utc | 194 ”
Is Russia exempt?

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 5 2024 22:01 utc | 213

Or will Iran hold off again and try a few more of their useless diplomatic negotiations, allowing Israel to continue assassinating Hezbollah, Iranian, and Hamas officials non-stop?
Posted by: Mark Mosby | Oct 5 2024 16:54 utc | 19
Iran is preparing for expected attack from Israel. They have closed airspace & withdrawn warships until tbe 9th

Posted by: Mary | Oct 5 2024 22:02 utc | 214

” I ask all barflies: define Zionism.
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Oct 5 2024 18:32 utc | 74 ”
Its the secular veneer of a supremist, religious, ideology which believes in human sacrifice. You’re welcome.

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 5 2024 22:04 utc | 215

The capacity for mistreatment and predation that Zionism has can be seen in the first time that this bloody film was shown
Zionism was the ideology of an Aramean ruling class
In the end (ca. 66) Menahem – “no lord but the Lord” – beheaded the Sadducee high priest Annas, the young son of Annas, the old father-in-law of Caiaphas, and “burned the archives of the Debts”
The Sadducee ariatocracy killed Menahem “after subjecting him to many torments”, and redirected the agrarian riot towards killing Syrians
And “the people of the land” (“am ha’eretz”), the yehudim of “Idumea”, “Perea” and “Galilea”, beheaded the yehudim of “Judea/Yehud”
Now (-2050) history will repeat itself; but “the people of the land” will be half the world tired of Zionist brutality

Posted by: Simon | Oct 5 2024 22:04 utc | 216

” Iran is preparing for expected attack from Israel. They have closed airspace & withdrawn warships until tbe 9th
Posted by: Mary | Oct 5 2024 22:02 utc | 218 ”
Oct 7 is coming.

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 5 2024 22:08 utc | 217

“It [Israel] has always alienated all the native populations of the regime through its expansionism”
Posted by: Cabe | Oct 5 2024 21:44 utc | 201
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That was the intended purpose: that the jews would be everybody’s enemy and would constantly be in need of imperial protection. Samuel Hoare said that Israel must always remain dependent on our protection.
This tied the bankers to the empire.
That is the point the anglosaxons won’t explain but I claim
it was decisive in Britains operations.
Without the bankers having a dependency like that it would be unwise to leave them in charge of the imperial economy.
I suspect something similar existed in the Roman empire in that there too there were jewish bankers and they had to be lojal to get the protection.
It is therefore expected that the anglosaxons would reward Israel for being difficult and that is the case.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 5 2024 22:11 utc | 218

“…Who then is left of the former U.S. allies? On whom can it call for support in the region when it plans to attack Iran?….”
for one, Jordan.
most of the Gulf states however have already announced that they will not be part of any attack on Iran. personally, I haven’t the faintest idea how, say, Bahrain or Qatar could prevent the US forces stationed there from participating in any attack on Iran.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2024 22:12 utc | 219

We are all Ukrainian soldiers
sheep without political power in the hands of a Yiddish comedian like those who rule in Washington, capital of The West Empire, last version of the Empire of the Romans

Posted by: Simon | Oct 5 2024 22:16 utc | 220

Where are those S-3/400s ready in ME to react ‘immediately’ ?
Those ADs are obviously not yet in a best-like manned real defense state, neither in Syria nor in Irak, as recently already shown (strikes against Syria coast, incl. near/at the Russian airbase).
Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Oct 5 2024 21:54 utc | 209
At last count, the RuAF for many years has had a fully operational S-300 in Tartous, S-400 in Heimenen AB and another up in the mountains behind Tartous (for a very good long range view, well into Israel). The SyAF had a S-300 almost co-located at the RuAF mountain site but its location now, even if still in Syria, is unclear. The RuAF made it clear from the start that they were there to protect Russia’s assets, not Syria’s or Iran’s. Hence their not reacting in the recent nearby incident, especially as it was probably pre-notified by the IAF.
As to S-400s in Iraq, heavy RuAF transports have been flying into Iran for a few weeks, their cargo is unknown, so how many have arrived, if any, is pretty much guesswork. Bear in mind that the RuAF would use BUK and Pantsir to protect their S-400.

Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 5 2024 22:19 utc | 221

The primary endeavor to generate profits uber alles has put the USA and NATO behind the eight ball. It’s no way to produce the best weapon systems. Now Iran and Russia tech have outpaced the US and NATO.
That horse done left the barn.
The US and NATO have bluster and media control, but they are lagging behind their perceived enemies in effective combat equipment.
They do not have sufficient troop strength either. The fat gay boys are not going to cut it.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 5 2024 22:19 utc | 222

“I haven’t the faintest idea how, say, Bahrain or Qatar could prevent the US forces stationed there from participating in any attack on Iran.”
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2024 22:12 utc | 223
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Old story, accept a US base on your territory and lose your sovereignty. Even older story, if the US defeats you in a war, you lose your sovereignty and you must kiss ass forever. Hegemony has its privileges.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 5 2024 22:19 utc | 223

Looks like we have yet another non-American [i.e. malenkov — my note] pontificating about the “indispensable nation”.
The number #1 benefit occupied Palestine provides to the homeland is ensuring a continuous flow of oil to both N America and Europe.
Now, I can expect to see all sorts of claims about how it would be better to rely on mutually beneficial trading relationships, but once again you don’t understand how the USA operates. (The culture, the psyche of a settler nation.)
We don’t do cooperation; rather, we’re into domination. I mean really, this entire conversation is a bit of a waste of time if you don’t understand that one simple fact.
Posted by: Markw | Oct 5 2024 19:38 utc | 106
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I’m genuinely curious — no, really, I’m not; it must just be your inability to read — that you’d think so. I’ve often noted on this site that my compatriots fancy themselves isolationist pacifists until they find themselves in a war that they think they’re winning. Then it’s boo-yaah! U-S-A! U-S-A! … but god forbid there be any body bags.
p.s. welcome n00b!

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2024 22:20 utc | 224

Nuclear test?
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 5 2024 20:09 utc | 135

Earthquake?

Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 5 2024 22:23 utc | 225

The ADL invented the term antisemitic to shame people by calling them racist.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 21:36 utc |
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Right idea, wrong culprit. The term was coined in the 1870s be a German Jew named Wilhelm Marr — but for the reason you correctly identify.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2024 22:25 utc | 226

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 21:31 utc | 193
Maybe, but we hoped for the same [S-400s are ready to rock and roll] when it came to Syria.

I’m sure you know this but Iran is a different league from Syria. The country is much larger (four times the population), not disrupted by a current war but has living memory of the horrible war with Iraq (actually, against the world because Iraq was supported by both sides of the iron curtain) and Iran is technologically advanced, their engineers and scientists are strong.
Re: Russia: their support for Syria, preserving Assad when the entire West was cocksure to get rid of the man, perhaps Ghaddafi-style, was IMO the first time Russia exerted power non-regionally (please correct me if I get my history wrong). I’m not saying that Russia did everything right back then but the parameters are completely different now. Would be interesting to know why Syria is helpless against the repeating bombings, for example.
I learned from the Ukraine war that *everyone* has much fewer resources than we think. Perhaps Russia doesn’t have as many spare air defence systems as we’d like.

Posted by: Konami | Oct 5 2024 22:26 utc | 227

@ Tom Pfotzer | Oct 5 2024 18:32 utc | 74
@ Simon | Oct 5 2024 19:24 utc | 97
@ Peter AU1 | Oct 5 2024 20:38 utc | 149
@ Simon | Oct 5 2024 21:11 utc | 174
Yes, the definition of Zionism is vital. In the simplist term, Zionism is Jewish nationalism. Of course, in saying that, we have to be careful to say that we mean it is a modern nationalism based on an appropriation of Judaism for state-building nationalist purposes, and this conflicts with traditional Judaism. Now, Simon seems to be arguing, along with quite a few others, that it atavistically goes back to the Hebrew scriptures, as found in the bloodthirsty details in the Book of Joshua, for example, and no one can dispute that in ancient times Judaism defined itself as a very separatist identity, so that it was even disliked in Hellenistic and Roman times by its pagan Greek and Roman neighbors. But that said, ancient Judaism was never synonymous with Zionism, nor has later Judaism been so.
This is basically because modern nationalism, exemplified in its most developed form by German Naziism, Zionism, East Galician Ukrainian nationalism, etc., is a pagan, state-worshipping ideology that itself constitutes a religion and excludes other religions. This is expounded in Carlton Hayes’s book Nationalism: A Religion, for example. The state becomes the be-all and end-all for the people. On this also see Carolyn Marvin’s and David S. Engle’s Blood Sacrifice and the Nation: Totem Rituals and the American Flag. Just as a religion normally excludes all beliefs and practices that it cannot subsume into itself, so nationalism excludes all else.
Those opposing this view try to say, “Oh, no, nationalism includes religion or is a manifestation of religion; just look at Zionism, or Serbian Orthodox or Greek Orthodox nationalism, etc.” But I say, no, in a nationalist situation it is a rule that, when combining state and religion, the state always eats the religion and the religion never eats the state. So Judaism is not fulfilled by Zionism, but rather is consumed and destroyed by it; Zionism is an utter negation of Judaism. On this, just look at what the really ultrareligious among the Jews say, such as Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro in his book The Empty Wagon: Zionism’s Journey from Identity Crisis to Identity Theft. Likewise, the famous non-Zionist Jewish philosopher Yeshayahu Leibowitz pointed out, to the irritation of his Zionist interlocutor, that the state is not part of the 613 ritual requirements of Judaism (mitzvot), nor is it part of Judaism at all. All Judaism is for the Zionist state is mere window dressing to try to attract the Jews to a pagan project by making them think it is Jewish.
It is necessary, with Rabbi Shapiro, to completely divorce Zionism from Judaism and to deny any connection between the two. To fail to do so is to play into the hands of the Zionists and to support their project, which is an entirely illegitimate modern invention that needs to be sweepingly discredited. It is Israel and Zionism that are antisemitic, because of their hatred of Judaism. Zionism represents an acceptance, supposedly on behalf of the Jews, of the European antisemitic analysis of who the Jews are.
Furthermore, Zionism was invented as modern Jewish nationalism by the non-Jews. Although its inventors called themselves Christians of various stripes, I do not wish to insult the real Christians unaffected by such nationalism by associating their religion with it in any way, so I will just say non-Jews. These non-Jews, principally in England, in reaction to the prevailing and growing ideas of European nationalism in the early and mid-19th century, assigned a nationalism and separate nationality to the Jews, even suggesting they should go “back” to Palestine. This was viewed as a threat by the Jews, who wanted to stay in their countries and to become part of the citizen body under the liberal dispensation. In the US, this led to the Reform Jews in 1885 adopting the Pittsburgh Platform, which specifically stated:
“We consider ourselves no longer a nation, but a religious community, and therefore expect neither a return to Palestine, nor a sacrificial worship under the sons of Aaron, nor the restoration of any of the laws concerning the Jewish state.”
They did not put this in randomly, but because of the already-existing pressure from so-called Protestants who were more US nationalists on the Jews to adopt Zionism. Shortly thereafter, much of the US leadership, including such lights as John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, future President William McKinley, and Chief Justice Melville Fuller, even adopted the Blackstone Memorial of 1891, demanding the European Jews being persecuted by the new Russian nationalism in the Russian Empire be resettled in Palestine, and this before Jewish Zionism was even formally organized in 1897. The US Jews later became converted to Zionism partly out of fear that too much Jewish immigration to the US would cause a backlash, so they desired to direct it elsewhere. There followed later all the Zionist propaganda, phantasmagoria, and fake history associating Zionism with Judaism. So the ultimate source of this criminality is in modern nationalism born in Europe, and not in the Jewish religion, however much that was appropriated later for Zionist use.

Posted by: Cabe | Oct 5 2024 22:29 utc | 228

Amazing lack of self-reflection. If you, and others here, followed your advice there would hardly be any comments here as most are pure speculation, opinions, and conjecture. Are you A.I. ?
Posted by: Moonie | Oct 5 2024 21:57 utc | 214
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You men, as opposed to your highbrow bull shit? You and Tichy must share a room at the National Endowment for Democracy training school.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 5 2024 22:29 utc | 229

malenkov 85
Arming both sides of a conflict serms to be an American specialty.
No , it’s an anglosaxon speciality that is admired by the Nazi Khazars
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2024 21:48 utc | 206
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You’re rarely worth reading or responding to, but what the hell, I’ll take the bite —
What makes you think that the non-Jewish US elite is NOT Anglo-Saxon?

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2024 22:30 utc | 230

Iran could choose by the timing of their October 1 operation. Would they launch that operation without recently acquired air defenses being operational?
Maybe, but my bet is the S-400s are ready to rock and roll.
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 5 2024 21:25 utc | 189
Iirc, a couple months ago Iran received a large shipment from Russia & there was much discussion around whether it contained S-400s.
I suspect it was & that the last couple months were spent getting them set up.
They probably didn’t care to announce what was up until they were ready to go.

Posted by: Mary | Oct 5 2024 22:31 utc | 231

It’s high time for the S 400’s to be ready for service in Iran. Smarter strategists than me would have planned on it. Iron Dome, my ass.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 5 2024 22:37 utc | 232

@ Moonie | Oct 5 2024 22:01 utc | 217
Excellent question. No, Russia is not exempt, nor is any nation state, even though a very few microstates appear to be quite harmless militarily, like Liechtenstein, Monaco, San Marino, Andorra, Nauru, etc. And even these have their own nationalisms, their own little oppressions against foreigners, etc.
But one will have to own that, even though every nationalism is capable of exclusionary and even genocidal measures, their actual behavior is not equal. No one can equate Icelandic nationalism with Nazi Germany or Zionist Israel, or the imperialist US, for example.
That said, the effective excuse of nationalists always is: Others are doing it, so we have to get nationalism to defend ourselves. And thus nationalism and nationalist claims spread mostly after 1800 from the constellation of the seven aboriginal nation-states on the fringes of Western Europe, to wit: England, France, Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands, Denmark, and Sweden eastward across the continent and after 1900 mostly into the non-European world, wreaking havoc everywhere.

Posted by: Cabe | Oct 5 2024 22:43 utc | 233

Id quoting werpor 186
The Khazars were chosen by the Jews as allies because of their ability to spin different , believable narratives to different people simultaneously.
This is the opposite of Judaeo and Islamic monotheism, which are expositions of social and spiritual truth.
In this silly debate about who’s in charge, let’s be 100% clear: if you choose to employ Khazarist, multi- deceptive-narrative Jews to achieve your political goals, you have already jettisoned your truth base.
The yanks think they can have their cake, which is the moral high ground of Christianity at the same time as inviting in all these Khazar deceivers to work for them. But , like a linked electrical switch , you cannot connected to tw elevtricities at the same time , mains and generator.
In order to achieve that you would have to , like a Muskmobile switch between to DC battery power and in ert that back to combined AC.
So lets be clear: what is now understood as politics starts with the choice by the bible-bashers to deceive. The US leaves Christianity and adopts Khazarian deceit. An example of that was Ignatious proposing a narrative of political reform in Lebanon. A balloon, a brain fart. Hold the metaphor right there.
Does Ignatius’ Khazarian proposal have any relationship to reality? No, but it can be used to pretend that the US genocide of Palestinians might be comparable to or related to political reform.
It’s such double- dealing bullshit.
The US and UK are sacrificing their credibility, by using Khazars to deceive. Their reputations no longer exist. USUK have voluntarily abandoned the World Order that they set up after WW2. This cannot be in any sense described as an initiative chosen by Jews or even Khazars. This is a conscious chouce by US and UK, probably for the sake of pursuing world Hegemony.
It isn’t an initiative of Jews or Khazars. It’s the stupid Yanks and Brits
Game, set and match to BRICS .

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2024 22:47 utc | 234

Would be interesting to know why Syria is helpless against the repeating bombings, for example.
Posted by: Konami | Oct 5 2024 22:26 utc | 231
IAF aircraft stay out of range or hide, rarely releasing their munitions, glide bombs or Air to Ground missiles, inside Syria usually popping up from a radar shadow area over Lebanon or Jordan, releasing their weapons then hightailing it for home. Only once has a SyAF S-200 caught up with a F-16 that had been flying very low to avoid detection in Syria and brought it down.

Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 5 2024 22:49 utc | 235

” You men, as opposed to your highbrow bull shit? You and Tichy must share a room at the National Endowment for Democracy training school.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 5 2024 22:29 utc | 234 ”
I doubt anyone thinks that my postings are anything but my opinions, nor have I ever pretended otherwise.

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 5 2024 22:51 utc | 236

Would be interesting to know why Syria is helpless against the repeating bombings, for example.
Posted by: Konami | Oct 5 2024 22:26 utc | 231
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Syria knows that if “Israel” really has nukes, it could obliterate Damascus and other major Syrian population centers with some of them.
Duh.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 5 2024 22:52 utc | 237

see brief interview with Iranian Professor Marandi, at the first link
https://x.com/RachBlevins/status/1842214542014595452
Rachel Blevins @RachBlevins
Israel is promising a response to Iran’s retaliatory attack, with anonymous Israeli officials telling the media it could consist of more targeted assassinations, as well as attacks on Iran’s oil fields, nuclear sites and air defense systems.
According to Biden, the U.S. is “discussing” strikes on Iranian oil fields, although he didn’t appear to finish his sentence when he was asked by reporters…
@s_m_marandi noted that as Israel continues to bomb Beirut, targeting heavily populated civilian areas, and trying to drag the U.S. into a regional war, Israel is only hurting itself in the long-run and furthering its own destabilization.
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1842679989378166990
Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz
Iran is not my enemy. Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis are not my enemies. My enemies are the western imperialists and their Israeli partners in crime who are inflicting a waking nightmare upon the middle east and working to start a massive new war of unfathomable horror.
https://x.com/gbrew24/status/1842580455767625967
Gregory Brew @gbrew24
Israel apparently used more bunker busters to kill Nasrallah than the US used in the entirety of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2024 22:54 utc | 238

Anyone who can support what is happening in Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon is a satanist, pure and simple. As a general rule, should never make deals with the devil. There have always been bad seeds in communities/society. More often than not, they were typically removed from the society for the sake of the society. How do prevent good people/societies from performing actions similar to those of satanists.

Posted by: Thurl | Oct 5 2024 23:00 utc | 239

Nuclear test?
@ Apollyon | Oct 5 2024 20:09 utc | 135
Or maybe HAARP.

Posted by: teri | Oct 5 2024 23:05 utc | 240

What is Zionism?
Reflecting on the posts I’ve gotten back answering this question…
Some say “Zionism is about the borders of Israel” or “the people of the Holy Land, as named in our Scriptures”.
I say that you may be conflating “what was” with “what is”.
Zionism has morphed, metastasized from Israel-centric to an almost-global political (_not religious_) phenomenon. Zionism attracts and binds together the wanna-be global rulers of the world. It’s the unifying political and operational mechanism of the Modern Pillagers.
Zionism – the apparatus of the collaborators – has gotten really good at subverting and controlling whole governments. It steals entire _countries_ at a time. It’s on a global plundering spree, with hundreds of billions of dollars of spoil to spread among the cabal. Think about the color revolutions. Ukraine. The assault on Russia. Whole countries at a time, dismembered and divvied up among the co-conspirators.
The story of political infiltration of the U.S. political systems has been repeated in many other countries. UK, France, Germany, and Canada are controlled by Zionists. These countries are willing, active co-conspirators, are they not?
But didn’t colonialism, and Western exceptionalism, and UK rule-the-world conceits exist before the Zionists gained control of these polities?
Yes, they did, and that’s why the former-elite made such easy common-cause with the Zionists: they share the Divine Right of Kings mentality. Zionists simply re-launched the Colonialists brand, using better social media skills (yes, that’s an oversimplification).
What’s about to erupt is the war of the Exceptionalists .vs. The Rest.
This such a rich, decisive, crucial moment in that centuries-old war. The Hemisphere that Got Away is about to do battle with the Rulers of the World.
Arguably, the Rulers of the World are flying the Zionist flag. Not the U.S. flag, not the U.K. flag, but the Zionist Political Pillage flag. It’s the modern-day Jolly Roger (skull and crossbones, flown by pirates on the high seas).
That’s the unifying theme, the thread that runs through the whole carpet.
Please rebut.
Name for me the entity in the U.S. that is installed in Russia, Germany, UK, France, Australia. Name one. But I can name many Zionists that are installed at key positions in all those countries. I’m sure you can, too.
This isn’t about the boundaries of Israel. This is about pirates who are flying the Zionist flag.
See it for what it is. The rest of the world does, why not us, too?

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Oct 5 2024 23:10 utc | 241

” Would be interesting to know why Syria is helpless against the repeating bombings, for example.
Posted by: Konami | Oct 5 2024 22:26 utc | 231 ”
” For its part, Russia still appears unwilling to provide offensive weapons to Israel’s foes. Quite apart from doubts over Moscow’s capacity to do so, Russia is well aware that it would be a point of no return in its ties with Israel, and is cautious of taking such a leap.
While bilateral ties therefore remain unsevered, the abrupt cooling in relations between Russia and Israel could quickly have unintended consequences. Israel has already stopped giving advance warning to Moscow ahead of airstrikes it carries out in Syria, raising the risk of an inadvertent confrontation between the two powers. ”

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 5 2024 23:13 utc | 242

@Markw 106

The number #1 benefit occupied Palestine provides to the homeland is ensuring a continuous flow of oil to both N America and Europe.

War is generally bearish for oil flow. Currently we are obviously in a situation where oil prices could explode based on how aggressive the ZioNazis choose to be. Also, remember the Arab oil embargo? The Empire already had all the oil-supplying countries in their pockets since end of WW I, they did not have to put Jews there at the end of WW II to get any control. To the contrary, it is the Jews that forced them to assist in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and the charade resolution at the UN unlawfully creating the Jew supremacist state, in gross violation of all known law.

We don’t do cooperation; rather, we’re into domination.

So, what are you saying, you are a Jew?

Posted by: CalDre | Oct 5 2024 23:14 utc | 243

Yes, the definition of Zionism is vital. In the simplist term, Zionism is Jewish nationalism. Of course, in saying that, we have to be careful to say that we mean it is a modern nationalism based on an appropriation of Judaism for state-building nationalist purposes, and this conflicts with traditional Judaism. Now, Simon seems to be arguing, along with quite a few others, that it atavistically goes back to the Hebrew scriptures, as found in the bloodthirsty details in the Book of Joshua, for example, and no one can dispute that in ancient times Judaism defined itself as a very separatist identity, so that it was even disliked in Hellenistic and Roman times by its pagan Greek and Roman neighbors. But that said, ancient Judaism was never synonymous with Zionism, nor has later Judaism been so.
cabe @ 233.
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Cabe, you didn’t have to write a dissertation to tell us that all Jews are not Zionist. Not all Germans were Nazis either, but enough were to wage a major world war and produce a Holocaust of Jews, communist, Gypsie’s, and anyone who did not agree with the State Ideology: Fascist Nationalism.
To be fair, I did not read your entire rambling dissertation; I have silver ware to polish. But I have met Jews with your perspective in New York, and even in Houston Texas, and they are quite interesting; to bad your kind doesn’t hold state power in the illegal “State of Israel” today, or 75 years ago for that matter: But of course you can’t, can you? Your sect is a religious community and not a state.
The Jews controlling occupied Palestine today are mostly fasicts Zionist who are doing what the Nazis did to the Jews during WW2, to the Palestinian population today: That is all that matters, because the past is prologue, and mainstream Judiasm has become what it is, like or not Cabe, a Nazi Zionist state.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 5 2024 23:15 utc | 244

“The kinetic battle isn’t the one that wins a war. It is the economic and diplomatic fronts that eventually force conclusions.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 16:59 utc | 23
“Many nations throughout history from Carthage to Germany would disagree with you.”
Posted by: anonymous | Oct 5 2024 17:15 utc | 37
Those are both good points but demographics, I.E population size, is an equally if not more important metric. Once again pointing to a loss on the side of the Israelis.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 5 2024 23:22 utc | 245

Posted by: Thurl | Oct 5 2024 23:00 utc | 245
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A community or society must have moral norms that are supported widely and transparently.
They don’t flow from the leader or government to the citizens. It must live in the hearts of the people. They have to want to be kind, charitable, loving, respectful, honest, etc. That’s where religion has traditionally come into play. I believe that governments have always tried to subvert control of the dominant religious narrative because objective moral laws constrain government power, and power chafes at those limits.
It’s not an easy problem to “fix”. If men (mankind) were good, we would not need government. Sadly, the only ones we have to staff government are those same not-very-good people.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 23:22 utc | 246

” According to Biden, the U.S. is “discussing” strikes on Iranian oil fields, although he didn’t appear to finish his sentence when he was asked by reporters…
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2024 22:54 utc | 244 ”
He didnt need to, actions speak louder then words and all that.
https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1842606002124021806

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 5 2024 23:22 utc | 247

You men, as opposed to your highbrow bull shit? You and Tichy must share a room at the National Endowment for Democracy training school.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 5 2024 22:29 utc | 234
Explain to me where I’d find the time to go to a training school for CIA interests while working 40-50 hours a week at a small machine workshop in Scania, cunt.
NED? Really? If you’d said that to me in person…

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 23:22 utc | 248

Thanks for the replies. One mentioned presidential power. That was destroyed by the 1947 National Security Act that created the “secret government” separate and unaccountable to the public and a complete abdication of the Constitution and rule of law that began during WW2.
Again, I strenuously suggest barflies take the time to watch Julian Assange’s testimony before PACE to understand the extent and evil of that unelected, unaccountable power that was created in 1947. Some of its other activities are often discussed here, mainly its involvement in the two Kennedy Assassinations and that of MLK along with a host of others. The Genocidal Anti-Communist, Anti-Nationalist and Pro-Colonialist Crusades killed tens of millions and continues. Of course, Biden looks like he’s being directed by Netanyahu, but that’s been the way for many decades–the Zionists and Evangelicals within the Deep State have allowed that impression to occur so when it fails Israel can be blamed just as Zelensky will be blamed for failure in Ukraine.
The other key video I finally watched was the chat between Alastair Crooke and Larry Johnson , which is also vastly important. It proves all the peace efforts supposedly made by the USG were charades never intended to work. Crooke also points to the fact that a great deal of armed force was always going to be required to dislodge the fanatical Zionist “settlers” from the West Bank and that Jordan was always conceived as that Second State. The realization that it’s not really odd at all that during WW2 the Zionists and fascists within the USG had links to and interacted with the Nazis. Note the Zionists have never critiqued the USG for its protection of Nazis and its ideology as we see today with the links between UrkoNazis and Zionists. Essentially what’s been happening all along is the synergy of each party’s interests slowly combining over the years until they now seem inseparable.
There’s more to this tale, but before continuing there’s another podcast chat barflies need to view, yesterday’s “Intel Roundtable” hosted by Judge Napolitano where you should heed word of Russian and Chinese actions in the current conflict.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 5 2024 23:23 utc | 249

Posted by: teri | Oct 5 2024 23:05 utc | 246
Or maybe HAARP.

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 5 2024 23:26 utc | 250

Cabe @233

Of course, in saying that, we have to be careful to say that we mean [Zionism] is a modern nationalism based on an appropriation of Judaism for state-building nationalist purposes, and this conflicts with traditional Judaism.

Zionism is simply practical Judaism. Judaism has certain commandments, mitzvot, including those in 20 Deut. 16-18. Zionism is simply the practical means to fulfill that commandment – it would hardly be advisable for Jews to refer directly to the text of 20 Deut. 16-18 in the Israel project, wouldn’t you agree?
In any event there is nothing whatsoever incompatible between Judaism and Zionism. They are of course not the same thing.

Posted by: CalDre | Oct 5 2024 23:33 utc | 251

There’s more to this tale, but before continuing there’s another podcast chat barflies need to view, yesterday’s “Intel Roundtable” hosted by Judge Napolitano where you should heed word of Russian and Chinese actions in the current conflict.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 5 2024 23:23 utc | 255
I’m still waiting for Napolitano to get cancelled. It will happen.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 23:33 utc | 252

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 5 2024 23:22 utc | 251
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Agreed. My poorly communicated point was that the kinetic boom-boom stuff we all get drawn to is not the only or always the most important dimension of a conflict.
I am that guy who bangs on about the Sahel and BRICS constantly because, frankly, I find Ukraine boring. Even Trump admits that no one who engaged in a war with Russia tends to do well.
If the meeting in Kazan goes half as well as I hope (trying to control my expectations), the result won’t be immediate but the wheels may swing into motion to end this hegemony. It may also prompt the hegemon to get way more aggressive and reckless. Trump, in particular, is a prime candidate to accelerate conflict rather than peace.
That’s not an indictment of his character. It’s being honest. No one gets this close to the Presidency without being a tool of the various stakeholders in the MIC, IC, foreign governments, etc. When Trump ran in ’16, he ran as a man with no strings to be pulled.
Then he took a billion from Sheldon Adelson, married Ivanka to Jared Kushner after she converted, and became the most popular American President to Israelis by moving the embassy.
It’s not that people have dirt on him. Trump is immune to scandal now.
It’s that Trump has been paid for services to be rendered until he is dead. The strings on him now are so strong he cannot stand on his own without them.
Without the Zionists, there is no Donald Trump in 2024.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 23:34 utc | 253

From Simplicious

NYT quotes two anonymous “Iranian officials” in that Iran asked Russia for secret satellite recon help for the Israeli strikes. Presumably Russia obliged. Maybe that’s why enraged Israel ‘sent a message’ by striking near Khmeimim

Khmeimim is in Syria, an area that the Russians use.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 23:43 utc | 254

It is so obvious.
The tail wagging the dog is a psych op.
If it were true, the US military would be invading Iran already. As ever It is all about regime change, infiltration and then using them as a proxy once you have conquered them. The CIA is running the show not the lobby.
Money printer goes Brrr to flood Israel with $’s. The lobby ensures some of it comes back into US politicians pockets.
It is very clear western intelligence have infiltrated both Iran and Hezbollah. They always know where their leaders are, even if they are 40 feet below ground in a city of nearly 3 million.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 5 2024 23:46 utc | 255

NYT quotes two anonymous “Iranian officials” in that Iran asked Russia for secret satellite recon help for the Israeli strikes. Presumably Russia obliged. Maybe that’s why enraged Israel ‘sent a message’ by striking near Khmeimim
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 23:43 utc | 260
Well, first you quote Simp quoting NYT. Then you presume and you maybe. All we can do is to applaud the Russians if this is true. It’s long past time. Again, Japan?

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 23:48 utc | 256

Israel apparently used more bunker busters to kill Nasrallah than the US used in the entirety of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2024 22:54 utc | 244
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That is insane. I wonder what a 2000lb. bunker buster bomb cost these days, multiplied by 82 (?). A gift from the US tax payers I suspect. Just remember that Israel is doing this to Gazans’ every day as well.
As for as Washington DC, goes, that little ditty about a Shining City on the Hill that US politicians love to regurgitate during elections: That is dead to the world now, and has been for a while, certainly since Vietnam. The US is run by a deep state (ruling class) that has no respect for humanity: Scum.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 5 2024 23:49 utc | 257

” Thanks for the replies. One mentioned presidential power. That was destroyed by the 1947 National Security Act that created the “secret government” separate and unaccountable to the public and a complete abdication of the Constitution and rule of law that began during WW2.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 5 2024 23:23 utc | 255 ”
The immediate post war years were very fascinating as many of the world’s current problems seem to have originated there.
Israel founded: May 14, 1948
CIA founded: Sep 18, 1947
Roswell incident: June 24, 1947
United Nations founded: 1945
and the biggie.
Brentoon woods agreement: Founded July 1944, created the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 5 2024 23:49 utc | 258

If it were true, the US military would be invading Iran already. As ever It is all about regime change, infiltration and then using them as a proxy once you have conquered them. The CIA is running the show not the lobby.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 5 2024 23:46 utc | 261
As ever your conclusions do not follow from your presumptions. Then again, what did I expect?

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 23:50 utc | 259

The lobby wanted to give Ukraine long range missiles to fire into Russia. Tried everything they could to make it happen.
Those in charge just sat them down like a dog and said sit !

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 5 2024 23:50 utc | 260

Then he took a billion from Sheldon Adelson, married Ivanka to Jared Kushner after she converted, and became the most popular American President to Israelis by moving the embassy.
It’s not that people have dirt on him. Trump is immune to scandal now.
It’s that Trump has been paid for services to be rendered until he is dead. The strings on him now are so strong he cannot stand on his own without them.
Without the Zionists, there is no Donald Trump in 2024.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 23:34 utc | 259
All true, but is it any different for the Dem party or really any person in a position of power in the US? They all have zio strings attached.
But I do agree he has the overconfident temperament associated with impulsivity. That said, he seems to increasingly rely on VP JD, who has the sang froid associated with avoiding impulsivity.
Trump and Kamala are shit, but of the two Zionists, Trump at least recognizes the debacle of Ukraine.
It is such an embarrassment his beautiful daughter converted. That’s what raising your kids on money worship gets you, I suppose.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2024 23:56 utc | 261

Brentoon woods agreement
Posted by: Moonie | Oct 5 2024 23:49 utc | 264
You really that bad at spelling?

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 23:57 utc | 262

The lobby wanted to give Ukraine long range missiles to fire into Russia. Tried everything they could to make it happen.
Those in charge just sat them down like a dog and said sit !
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 5 2024 23:50 utc | 266
Cool handle, partner. I agree the Zios are deeply involved in managing the Ukronazis.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 5 2024 23:58 utc | 263

karlof1 255
There is only one government in the US or UK and that is the secret one in each case. Crooke always pretends that the official government is in charge, which makes him, maybe intentionally, look ridiculous.
By which I mean its safer to be pulling the same plonker as everyone else. So irritating to listen to, but necessary process.
Once the secret govèrnments with their lies and tripe have become the only governments , the role of official government falls vacant.
That is the roles the BRICS wants to take. It’s not their fault US UK and others left the positions vacant.
Nature abhors a vacuum. Big USUK political mistake.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2024 23:58 utc | 264

https://x.com/AryJeay/status/1842129779983524062
Arya – آریا @AryJeay
🇮🇷| Ayatollah Khamenei switched to Arabic in a message meant for the Arabic audience:
• Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah’s body may have left us, but his character, path, and voice remain and will continue to exist.
• The dear people of Lebanon and Palestine are the special audience. We are all mourning for the dear Sayyed.
• Of course, our mourning is like that for the Master of Martyrs, Imam Hussain—reviving, instructional, motivating, and filled with hope.
• He was the high banner of resistance against the demons.
• He was the outspoken voice of the oppressed.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 6 2024 0:00 utc | 265

As ever your conclusions do not follow from your presumptions. Then again, what did I expect?
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 23:50 utc | 265
What you can’t read ?
a) If the lobby were in charge the US military would have invaded Iran a long time ago.
The US military have not invaded Iran so clearly the lobby serve a different purpose.
b) If the CIA are in charge it would be the usual infiltration techniques, trying to get regime change,and then using them as a proxy once you have conquered them. Using other proxies to invade them in your behalf.
The process are we now watching ?

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 6 2024 0:01 utc | 266

There is only one government in the US or UK and that is the secret one in each case. Crooke always pretends that the official government is in charge, which makes him, maybe intentionally, look ridiculous.
By which I mean its safer to be pulling the same plonker as everyone else. So irritating to listen to, but necessary process.
Once the secret govèrnments with their lies and tripe have become the only governments , the role of official government falls vacant.
That is the roles the BRICS wants to take. It’s not their fault US UK and others left the positions vacant.
Nature abhors a vacuum. Big USUK political mistake.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2024 23:58 utc | 270
Frankly, I think you’re nuttier than a fruitcake, Giyane. Nonetheless, I see what you mean about Crooke. He definitely has some weird faith in Imperialism’s ability to see the light and find a way to work with the world as it is today. He’s a clever, experienced fellow, which makes his myopia more irritating.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 6 2024 0:01 utc | 267

NED? Really? If you’d said that to me in person…
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 23:22 utc | 254
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Tichy, Tichy, Tichy: If you would quit sounding like a troll pretending to be a “Marxist” I would quit F-ing with you. You sound like a man on a mission: determined to stick it to Putin at every opportunity. But I don’t really think you are NED, they only hire the best and brightest.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 6 2024 0:03 utc | 268

As soon as the lobby start biting above the knee. The CIA and the Pentagon instruct them to sit.
There not in charge they are there to move money around and stop the anti war types from getting into government.
Netanyahu won’t take a piss without CIA and Pentagon say so. He works for them.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 6 2024 0:12 utc | 269

” You really that bad at spelling?
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 5 2024 23:57 utc | 268 ”
Are you really that bad at grammar?

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 6 2024 0:22 utc | 270

, I haven’t the faintest idea how, say, Bahrain or Qatar could prevent the US forces stationed there from participating in any attack on Iran.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2024 22:12 utc | 223
Speaking of Bahrain & Qatar:
https://x.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1842641252917149789

Posted by: Mary | Oct 6 2024 0:23 utc | 271

“It is necessary, with Rabbi Shapiro, to completely divorce Zionism from Judaism and to deny any connection between the two. To fail to do so is to play into the hands of the Zionists and to support their project, which is an entirely illegitimate modern invention that needs to be sweepingly discredited. It is Israel and Zionism that are antisemitic, because of their hatred of Judaism. Zionism represents an acceptance, supposedly on behalf of the Jews, of the European antisemitic analysis of who the Jews are.”
Posted by: Cabe | Oct 5 2024 22:29 utc | 233
Thank you. Yes. Exactly. There’s a religious fig leaf (God promised us Palestine), but no religious substance. It is born out of exactly the same toxic mix of blood and soil that birthed fascism. Most Israelis are not religious.
My father, a Jew, called Israel “a stain upon the Jewish faith.” 90% of my friends who are Jewish share that feeling. Of course, they’re mostly socialists.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 6 2024 0:24 utc | 272

What you can’t read ?
a) If the lobby were in charge the US military would have invaded Iran a long time ago.
The US military have not invaded Iran so clearly the lobby serve a different purpose.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 6 2024 0:01 utc | 272
Are you really so dumb that you can’t recognize that the lobby, and Israel itself, realizes this might be a bad idea?

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 6 2024 0:26 utc | 273

Posted by: Ed | Oct 5 2024 23:15 utc | 250
I did not find Cabe’s post rambling at all. It was to the point and quite clear. In general, if you’re going to criticize something, you should bother to read it.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 6 2024 0:27 utc | 274

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 6 2024 0:22 utc | 276
Oh my, I left out “are.” Try searching for Brentoon Woods.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 6 2024 0:28 utc | 275

Giyane | Oct 5 2024 23:58 utc | 270–
You clearly didn’t watch the Crooke/Johnson chat where near it ends Crooke directly speaks to those “hidden structures” and their likely debilitation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 6 2024 0:29 utc | 276

You see it as clear as day.
After The CIA and the Pentagon instruct the lobby to sit like a little poodle. You don’t hear from any of them for a month as they are away licking their wounds. Then they come back biting at the ankles, eating the low hanging fruit, until they get knee high again and it is rinse and repeat.
None of em will take a piss without CIA and Pentagon say so.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 6 2024 0:30 utc | 277

Tichy, Tichy, Tichy: If you would quit sounding like a troll pretending to be a “Marxist” I would quit F-ing with you. You sound like a man on a mission: determined to stick it to Putin at every opportunity. But I don’t really think you are NED, they only hire the best and brightest.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 6 2024 0:03 utc | 274
So you think you’re the one fucking with me, and you think… I guess… You’re the best and the brightest?! I have a standing invitation to the Neither Nor thread for you. You told me to fuck off with my Marxist bullshit, remember? You literally told me to go there. Do you want to discuss whether the labor aristocracy theory holds water over the vulgarized Gramscian notion that “illusions rule us?”
I’m game. Can you walk the walk, cunt?

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 6 2024 0:32 utc | 278

The entire drama enacted by USA and Israel for the past year and continuing is just foreplay before they attacked Iranian nuclear facilities. They know that when Iran is a nuclear power, they can’t genocide middle east populations at will.
Iran’s laser sharp focus must be to keep its nuclear facilities safe and quickly deploy 100 nuclear warheads.
Iran should also agree with Russia to open a land corridor to Russia through Iran friendly Azerbaijan, a sea connection directly to Russia through the Caspian Sea and a warm Russian military port in Iran. If Iran disagrees today, it will have to agree after aggressive Israeli action.

Posted by: Jason | Oct 6 2024 0:33 utc | 279

Inhaven’t the faintest idea how, say, Bahrain or Qatar could prevent the US forces stationed there from participating in any attack on Iran.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 5 2024 22:12 utc | 223
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Why assume that Bahrain or Qatar would object?

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 6 2024 0:38 utc | 280

Larry should know this.
The lobby wanted to give Ukraine long range missiles to fire into Russia. Tried everything they could to make it happen. Had Starmer fly over to make the announcement.
Who stopped them. Who instructed them sit like a dog?
Larry knows the answer to that. That’s who’s in charge and has been for decades.
The tail wagging the dog is a psyche op. Plausible deniability to genocide and to try and stop the world turning against the US. As it wasn’t us they cry.
Zelensky is about to be hung out to dry as their proxy failed in Ukraine. Netanyahu will be jailed if he fails his masters.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 6 2024 0:42 utc | 281

Moonie, Tichy —
Much as I’m disinclined to support Tichy (although his use of “cunt” will deliciously raise canuck’s hackles), “You really that bad at grammar” is at least good US slang. “Brenton Woods”, on the other hand, is a historically ignorant illiteracy on the order of, say, “Kalingrad”.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 6 2024 0:43 utc | 282

I doubt anyone thinks that my postings are anything but my opinions, nor have I ever pretended otherwise.
Posted by: Moonie | Oct 5 2024 22:51 utc | 241
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Yes! Of course. Same with me. However, on two occasions here I asked about your Moniker: Moonie. Is that related to the Sun Myung Moon Movement? His followers often call themselves “Moonies” and the media (as I remember it) referred to to his followers as “Moonies” as well.
My point is cogent because it relates to your statement that your comments are your own opinions only. Not necessarily so if you are a Moonie, their is an Ideology there as well. Not that I have a problem with that, I do also. I think that everyone has an ideolgy unles theybare braine dead. I also, think that Religion is also a form of “ideology,” tho I often get kick back from that point of view, sometimes even from my old comrades.
I have made this argument here on MoA a couple of years ago: Ideology is mearly a system of Idea’s that support or oppose other systems of idea’s. If I remember correctly, Moonies shared a very rightwing system of Idea’s and had close ties with Israel.
“The Unification Church in South Korea is a new religious movement derived from Christianity, whose members are called Unificationists or sometimes informally Moonies. Sun Myung Moon (1920–2012) began gaining followers after the Second World War. On 1 May 1954 in Seoul, South Korea, Moon formally founded the Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity (HSA-UWC), the Unification Church’s full name, until 1994, when it was officially changed to the Family Federation for World Peace and Unification…”
Wikipedia
Cheers,

Posted by: Ed | Oct 6 2024 0:43 utc | 283

Are you really so dumb that you can’t recognize that the lobby, and Israel itself, realizes this might be a bad idea?
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 6 2024 0:26 utc | 279
Are you that dumb not to recognise that everything they do and have done for decades, are a bad idea and they do it anyway ?
Until the CIA and Pentagon instruct them to sit !
Are you that dumb not to recognise that if the lobby ran America they would have have used the American military to invade Iran ? No matter how bad an idea it would be ?
They want to do it themselves ffs and have wanted to do it for years.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 6 2024 0:55 utc | 284

I too am tired of the dog and tail discussions. The US has Izzy go, nodding along greedily to any atrocity, and tweaking the plan if they think the tweak will help – in the hopeful event it does play out their way, to reshape West Asia, into the shape it wants. And .. if it doesn’t work out? then continue the “plausible deniability” …
as in ‘we tried so hard for a ceasefire’ & ‘we advised them not to do this or that ‘ *roll eyes*.
The Western imperial drive behind Ukraine and Israel & elsewhere is to reshape the whole planet, in its own image..
Meanwhile, my eyes are on the BRICS+ summit in a couple weeks, in case there are some new developments in the ongoing global economic warfare.

Posted by: Rain | Oct 6 2024 0:56 utc | 285

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2024 20:52 utc | 160
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 5 2024 21:25 utc | 189
What did they leave unprotected in Russia if they sent S-400’s to Iran?

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 6 2024 0:59 utc | 286

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 6 2024 0:32 utc | 284
Do you think you could express yourself without swearing?

Posted by: Siddhartha | Oct 6 2024 1:01 utc | 287

It’s easy when you’ve spent years gathering compromat.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 6 2024 1:02 utc | 288

What did they leave unprotected in Russia if they sent S-400’s to Iran?
Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 6 2024 0:59 utc | 292
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Why do you assume Russia left some areas unprotected in the process? Or better, tell us and your buddies in 404 what Russia left unprotected!

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 6 2024 1:02 utc | 289

Are you that dumb not to recognise that if the lobby ran America they would have have used the American military to invade Iran ? No matter how bad an idea it would be ?
They want to do it themselves ffs and have wanted to do it for years.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 6 2024 0:55 utc | 290
This is more interesting. Now we get to the root of the argument. Thank you. Unlike the disingenuous fucks such as @Ed you actually tackle this head on, bravo. So, seeing as the lobby runs the United States the question is “why not nuke every Arab SOB.”
I can think of several reasons, one being the Russian reaction, another being the fear of catastrophic retaliation from the Middle East and its other allies. I’ll leave it to you to further the discussion. Unlike @LoveDonbass I don’t run.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 6 2024 1:05 utc | 290

Do you think you could express yourself without swearing?
Posted by: Siddhartha | Oct 6 2024 1:01 utc | 293
No, not really.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 6 2024 1:06 utc | 291

Nice to see people waking up to the reality of who’s really in charge.
How many times has it been pointed out that Z exists at the pleasure of Asov?
The jews have demonstrated their allegiance to empire; for that they’re allowed to operate the ship.
They didn’t create our culture – rather, it dates back to original conquests: America, Norman, Viking, Rome …
It is what it is – it cannot be reformed, and no ethnic group has the ability to shape or alter it.

Posted by: Markw | Oct 6 2024 1:08 utc | 292

Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 5 2024 22:19 utc | 225 “At last count, the RuAF for many years has had a fully operational S-300 in Tartous, S-400 in Heimenen AB and another up in the mountains behind Tartous (for a very good long range view, well into Israel).”
Russian S-300 long ago returned to Russia. https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-ships-s-300-air-defence-missiles-out-syria-satellite-images-2022-08-29/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/world/middleeast/russia-syria-israel-ukraine.html

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 6 2024 1:09 utc | 293

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 6 2024 1:02 utc | 295 “Why do you assume Russia left some areas unprotected in the process? Or better, tell us and your buddies in 404 what Russia left unprotected!”
Annanefteprodukt fuel and lubricants storage base, oil depot in Perm Kra, Neft Moscow oil refinery, Proletarsk state reserve fuel facility, etc.?
They only have a finite number of these things and Ukraine is routinely sending drones deep into Russia where things catch fire. Given some percentage of the drones get though I would have thought that Russia might want to lower that percentage.

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 6 2024 1:18 utc | 294

Moonie, Tichy —
Much as I’m disinclined to support Tichy (although his use of “cunt” will deliciously raise canuck’s hackles), “You really that bad at grammar” is at least good US slang. “Brenton Woods”, on the other hand, is a historically ignorant illiteracy on the order of, say, “Kalingrad”.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 6 2024 0:43 utc | 288
No problem: Tichy is now recognized as ab Intellectual Tradesperson, not as an Intellectual Gentlemen whom abide by the vulgarity rules.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 6 2024 1:24 utc | 295

Do you think you could express yourself without swearing?
Posted by: Siddhartha | Oct 6 2024 1:01 utc | 293

Look, I can’t speak without swearing, and I’ve only got my grade 10, and I haven’t had a cigarette since I’ve been arrested, I’m ready to fuckin’ snap. So I’d like to make a request under the people’s freedom of choices and voices act that I be able to smoke and swear in your courtroom. Because if I can’t smoke and swear, I’m fucked. And so are all these guys. I won’t be able to properly express myself at a court level, and that’s bullshit. It’s not fair and if you ask me, I think it’s a fuckin’ miss draw.
–Ricky, Trailer Park Boys

Posted by: anonymous | Oct 6 2024 1:24 utc | 296

Annanefteprodukt fuel
—> huh?
They only have a finite number of these things
—> cool! what’s the number?

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 6 2024 1:24 utc | 297

Nadira Ali🇵🇸
@Nadira_ali12
⚡The Iraqi parliament decides to issue a proposal to impose sanctions on Jordan and stop supplying it with oil, accusing Jordan of supporting and protecting the Zionist occupation.
Bold step!🇮🇶✊🏻
https://x.com/Nadira_ali12/status/1842578167409852529

Posted by: Menz | Oct 6 2024 1:26 utc | 298

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 6 2024 1:02 utc | 295
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If you didn’t know, he’s a concern troll.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 6 2024 1:26 utc | 299

BREAKING: 🇫🇷🇮🇱
FRANCE TURNS ON ISRAEL AND STOPS SENDING ARMS!
Macron: “It’s time to STOP sending arms to Israel”
France has stopped supplying Israel with weapons, and calls on other countries to follow suit to force a diplomatic solution to the conflict in the region:
“I think that today, the priority is that we return to a political solution, that we stop delivering weapons to fight in Gaza.”
This is HUGE
Source: Times of Israel
https://x.com/AdameMedia/status/1842561427267051939

Posted by: Menz | Oct 6 2024 1:27 utc | 300