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October 29, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-260

What is left to say about this?

UNRWA is, since 1949, mandated by the United Nations. Banning it is a breach of customary international law.

There is no evidence that any of the strikes in Gaza and Lebanon hit any militant. From what is known all killed and wounded were civilians.

What is left to say about this? How am I supposed to express my outrage?

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

Comments

LoveDonbass @82
I’m not a partisan in the kayfabe. I’ve never voted for Trump before and don’t plan to do so this year either. The TDS dembots, on the other hand, are pathologically partisan. They are preparing for themselves the narrative that they are choosing the lesser evil as salve for their conscience, when in reality they are giving comfort to the very enablers of genocide. Every single TDS freak ranting about how much worse things would be if Trump were in control are deliberately distracting from the fact that the genocide we are seeing now is already worse than anything since Obama’s mom laundered financing from the Ford Foundation for Indonesian death squads. The hysterical TDS freaks fully intend to try to keep in office the very scum who bear the bulk of the responsibility for the ongoing slaughter.
Granted, Trump is unlikely to change anything, but the blood of little children that is being spilled right now is not on Trump’s hands. It is on the TDS freaks’ hands. You can fume and rant all you want about what Trump might do, but as things stand, he is the lesser evil by a million miles.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 29 2024 16:48 utc | 101

“The crisis in Gaza is not a proxy war between Christianity and Islam.”
It is Gog vs Magog. The war of the psychopathic worshippers of Mammon on the most defenseless.
“The neighboring Muslim governments of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia are permitting the people of Gaza to be slaughtered.
Posted by: Kansas | Oct 29 2024 14:03 utc | 50”
Egypt, Jordan & SA western puppet governments fear uprisings by their people. Those people support the Palestinian people. Wherever the USUK has failed to install puppet governments, there is active support for the Palestinian people.
Lebanon’s Hezbollah continues to attack through the northern front in support of the Palestinian people.
Russia quietly sends humanitarian aid to Syria, where it likely is delivered through tunnels. Their resistance targets the illegal US base there.
Iraq resistance groups target US bases in Iraq.
Ansar Allah continues to cripple shipments to & from Israel.
The larger countries tread carefully for fear of the lose-lose Sampson option the psycho Israel state holds over all our heads.

Posted by: Mary | Oct 29 2024 16:53 utc | 102

Everybody knows at least one Zionist.
Kill it? Wife and kids too? Whack the family dog, make a hat out of its hide and send to next of kin?
May be a bit over the top, but I’m sure it would be effective.
Btw, you’d secure an honored place in prison with the Aryan Nation Boyz.

Posted by: comrade simba | Oct 29 2024 16:59 utc | 103

There is a lot of Isreali’s that have been harmed and murdered to, war is ugly.
Posted by: Fortuna | Oct 29 2024 13:34 utc | 40
Well you know ehat they say. What goes around, comes around. Drive people from their homes at gunpoint, murdering & stealing, & someday it will come back at ya.
“With all the money US has sent to Ukraine we could have rescued the innocent Palestinians in Gaza and set them up in a refugee camp.”
Or the zionist Jews could have just stayed home.
And by the way, the Palestinian people have already spent the last 80 or so years in a “refugee camp.” Very conveniently penned in for more efficient slaughter by the zionist filth.

Posted by: Mary | Oct 29 2024 17:03 utc | 104

We must accept the ugly truth that nobody in Europe is going to help Palestinians.
Israel is going to kill them all.
It happened to Native Americans, it can happen again, and it shall happen many times. Only nations possesing The Bonb can resist.
When the Arabs feel no empathy an do not want to help, what to expect from Europeans.

Posted by: vargas | Oct 29 2024 17:04 utc | 105

Some countries in the west have not been bought out by the zionists and aren’t afraid to call for serious action against Israel. Futile maybe, but something has to be done.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/1029/1477949-middle-east/

Posted by: Ogre | Oct 29 2024 17:05 utc | 106

” The West is no longer Christian, let alone Catholic. There are no Crusaders. The crisis in Gaza is not a proxy war between Christianity and Islam.
Posted by: Kansas | Oct 29 2024 14:50 utc | 62 ”
As I wrote earlier, yesterday I attended a service in a Greek Orthodox Church, where I was told by a janitor that they regard Muslims as heathens. The Greek Orthodox Church and therefore Greece itself is led by an Archbishop that supports the US and a PM who descends from the Fascist dictators.
Greece itself is one of those failed empires like Turkey, Britain, India etc that has been told by the US it will make great again if they support the US militarily.
Anyway , the same religious message was repeated throughout the service that God and Jesus are the same which is blasphemy, reducing the concept of God to a mere human.
If God is a mere human, like you and me, He would be as impotent as you or me to do anything about genocide either in this life or the hereafter.
The Crusades were wars of Christian and older Jewish Ignorance against the truth of Islam that God is Omniscient and Omnipotent. This is what is taking place right now in Sham. If you are a Christian or Jew , you are automatically part of that Crusade against the Truth of Islam

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 29 2024 17:06 utc | 107

Vargas 105
The Arab dictator/monarchies are children of Empire, sucking on the teats of Empire , and only the dollar milk from the bosom of Empire is protecting them . Otherwise they’re bacon.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 29 2024 17:11 utc | 108

The clock is literally ticking on the Israel economy.
The IDF has to be at the point where
Is even addled Biden that idiotic/insane?
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 29 2024 16:32 utc | 96

Posted by: vargas | Oct 29 2024 17:14 utc | 109

The world needs to hand back Palestine to its people. The Zionists must leave.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 29 2024 16:42 utc | 98
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Think bigger. War crimes tribunals. Confiscation of assets. Death penalties.
I don’t think it will happen but it’s not enough to push the Zionists out. Zionism must be completely discredited and destroyed as an ideology.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 17:17 utc | 110

The clock is literally ticking on the Israel economy.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 29 2024 16:32 utc | 96
Why? USA and EU can finance Israel and cover all its costs like they do with Ukraine.

Posted by: vargas | Oct 29 2024 17:17 utc | 111

RE: “A US direct attack on Iran would mean open war and a Persian Gulf shutdown for sure since it would be American surface and submarine launched Tomahawks, in waves of **hundreds, that would be needed to do the job.”
Is even addled Biden that idiotic/insane?
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 29 2024 16:32 utc | 96
More like 1000s.
Biden is a by-word. Removed from any decision making process, not that he made any anyways.
It’s looking more and more like WW3, not Iran vs USReal.
Ukraine desperation escalating dramatically and quickly now. West looks ready to get stupid there. Droning on and on about N. Korean troops (non-existent in war front, but training together per strategic pact… like NATO does).
So, maybe the NATO figures a way to “busy Russia” while USReal attacks Iran?
Hard to say, but what’s obvious, is there is no de-escalation anywhere in the world atm. Only intensity in fighting, including Sudan, noise makers in Georgia, Moldova, Greece, Syria, even drills with the Finland groupies to escalate.
As Putin has said:
“If a fight is inevitable, strike first”…
Iran went through the legal motion, now it’s strike time.
I’ve no doubt that Iran will strike before elections.
Probably this weekend after Friday, close oil market/stock markets.
I don’t see any other more advantageous time for Iran.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2024 17:24 utc | 112

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 29 2024 16:48 utc | 101
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I don’t see a distinction between American partisan ideas, it’s all one big blame game to keep the hoi polloi at each other’s throats. Americans are endless suckers for bickering over the two wings of the same bird, exactly as the racket was designed.
I don’t think Sean is a dembot. He’s an odious and tiresome troll on MoA but he doesn’t strike me as someone as blinded by American partisanship as most Americans are.
The rest of the world doesn’t care one fig about Democrats or Republicans.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 17:28 utc | 113

@LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 17:17 utc | 110

Think bigger. War crimes tribunals.

Yes, I agree. But the Zionists must leave and then answer for war crimes. The Palestinians are suffering, and the first priority is to stop the suffering.
It is not just what the Zionists are doing that must trigger war crimes tribunals. What the west has done in Ukraine also demands war crimes tribunals. He is a puppet, but I will never get peace of mind until Stoltenberg is forced to answer to the world.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 29 2024 17:35 utc | 114

RE: South Africa’s case at the International Court of Justice is a comprehensive presentation of the overwhelming evidence of genocide in Gaza.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 29 2024 16:42 utc | 99
Heard case to be decided the 3rd quarter of 2025.
Although, Bosnia’s took 17 years in ICJ.
Nevertheless, hats off to South Africa, and even better, bringing up the Israeli new expedition of expanding to Lebanon genocide, opening up legal possibilities there now as well.
South Africa has been an bastion of historical evidence that will not be scoured so easily in the annuls of time.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2024 17:36 utc | 115

Granted, Trump is unlikely to change anything, but the blood of little children that is being spilled right now is not on Trump’s hands. It is on the TDS freaks’ hands. You can fume and rant all you want about what Trump might do, but as things stand, he is the lesser evil by a million miles.
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 29 2024 16:48 utc | 101
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The blood of Qassim Soleimani and the Russian speakers in Donbass killed by the weapons he proudly and loudly gave to Zelensky is on Trump’s hands.
We already know that. You know that.
How many Syrians suffered under Trump when he was unable to remove troops because his own Generals wouldn’t follow orders? And how will that be different this time? How many Yemenis were slaughtered by the KSA in an American proxy conflict with Iran?
Bill, you’re too smart to play dumb.
The lesser of evil is still evil.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 17:43 utc | 116

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2024 17:24 utc | 112
what’s obvious, is there is no de-escalation anywhere in the world atm

Common maritime exercises including India and Pakistan? China and India sorting out their border issues? Common military exercises between Iran and Saudi Arabia? (I linked those last time.)
Easy to believe that everything just gets worse but I don’t think it is true. No accident that all the above involve Asian countries, I’ll give you that.

Posted by: Konami | Oct 29 2024 17:50 utc | 117

I think these numbers might put things in some perspective:
Numbers are from Jan 1, 2008 – Oct 14, 2024; however, they do NOT include any figures from Oct 7, ’23 to the present for the Gaza Strip. They DO include all deaths and woundings in the West Bank and Israel for the longer time span (Jan ’08 – Oct ’24).
Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis = 7087
Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians = 345
Number of Palestinians wounded by Israelis = 159,831
Number of Israelis wounded by Palestinians = 6538
So to the above you could add the number of Palestinians killed and wounded by Israel in Gaza in the past 12 months and the number of Israelis killed and wounded in Gaza the past 12 months by the Palestinians.
Source: OCHA, United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Posted by: teri | Oct 29 2024 17:55 utc | 118

RE: Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 17:43 utc | 116
One of my favorite “Trump” moments was the “Guido’s” at the Whitehouse.
Watching him & Melonia greet Juan & his trophy wife in their swagger as Trump introduces him as the new Venezuela President.
But good god! Russia & China better not “interfere” in U.S. elections!!
The “lesser” of evils conditioning voting scheme we discussed earlier, runs rampant in US now. There’s hardly a self respecting American left. If a candidate made it past the gatekeepers, their corrupt & trash, it’s how it is.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2024 18:00 utc | 119

RE: Posted by: Konami | Oct 29 2024 17:50 utc | 117
I agree. I think many nations will do their best to sit this WW out if able. Pakistan & India being the most obvious.
As for Saudi Arabia, Scott & Andrei indicated it was a toe dipping. Not so much “military” in Naval drills, as preliminaries, search & rescue, anti-pirating vessels exercises ect. Baby steps. Saudi Arabia is another one I don’t see, if possible, side stepping the firefight.
Anyways, yes you’re right, but I’m not seeing anything other than a more flailing desperate West, wholly obvious via USReal.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2024 18:12 utc | 120

”…it’s all one big blame game to keep the hoi polloi at each other’s throats…”
Here is a practical test for you:

  1. Go to Trump rally as a Black person – spoiler: you will be welcomed like family.
  2. Go to a Harris event with a MAGA hat on – spoiler: you will be physically and verbally assaulted.

Yes, the ruling class needs to keep the working class divided, but your efforts to manufacture an equivalency between the two sides is ignorant. Where does that divide in the US population between those who trust the big business mass media and those who know it is lies fall? Overwhelmingly, Trump supporters are skeptical of the mass media, and likewise Harris supporters are credulous of the big business media narratives. After all, many of the TDS crowd still believe in the “Russian collusion” fib, demonstrating successful mass media brainwashing. Meanwhile, the MAGA people have largely resisted the hard sell of the lies about a Jan 6 “insurrection”, which the TDS people eagerly swallowed whole.
It is painfully obvious to anyone who looks dispassionately at contemporary western society which cohort is brain-phuqued here, and thus which is successfully remote-controlled, and which is the potential threat to the Establishment. While I cannot bring myself to vote for Trump, I am solidly on the side of the MAGA people.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 29 2024 18:13 utc | 121

South Africa’s latest filing with the ICJ is derived from meticulous documentation accumulated at ground level in Gaza. It is an unprecedented forensic presentation which, if the court can proceed, will reveal, emphasize, and/or test the current limits to enforcement of international humanitarian law – if not international law in general.
One clear limit – the ability of large powers to stymie the will of the international community – has been front and centre over this last year. This “problem” was identified decades ago and there is no easy answer. An organized international police action to compel Israel to stop would result in the massive war that is already visible if not yet actualized, a result which would be unfortunately much worse than the current situation. Future accountability for the crimes of the last year relies on the maintenance of the international system, which is why the BRICS countries, for example, iterate their support for the UN.
Syria’s Assad is now in the cross-hairs because Hezbollah has successfully stymied the IDF. The Americans have been focussed on trying to establish an interpretation of UNSC1701 which would allow enforcement of effectively a blockade of Lebanon to prevent what is imagined as a resupply effort responsible for Hezbollah’s success. Assad is imagined as directly running weapons to Hezbollah, without which the IDF would surely be in Beirut, This is in part denial of the actual military circumstances, and in part reflective of a heightened reliance on assassination as a tool of warfare, a reliance based on projection.

Posted by: jayc | Oct 29 2024 18:15 utc | 122

RE: Posted by: teri | Oct 29 2024 17:55 utc | 118
In my crude thought-dreams, I imagine all the numbers reversed.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2024 18:16 utc | 123

Trump may make decisions to escalate the war to defeat Hezbollah or Hamas which may ultimately lead to more deaths as it may involve US boots on the ground. It’s about winning for Trump. But he will never, ever go along with a plan to exterminate people and I doubt he will drop an atomic bomb. What we are likely to see is more conventional warfare, not this psychopath shoot women and children shot. Unlike Biden, Trump is not deranged

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 29 2024 18:20 utc | 124

I agree. I think many nations will do their best to sit this WW out if able. Pakistan & India being the most obvious.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2024 18:12 utc | 120
I was (gladly) surprised to see pakistan let some (serious) incidents with india “slide”.
For a nuclear power they seem to know quite well that it is not worth ending up destroyed, no matter how badly the other guy would end.

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 29 2024 18:33 utc | 125

Posted by: teri | Oct 29 2024 17:55 utc | 118
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(Zionist) Human Rights Lawyer, Brooke Goldstein:
“Why are we using the term Palestinian..? There’s no such thing as a Palestinian person”

short video from NY in 2016

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 18:38 utc | 126

I have not yet read comments on this thread, but I thank b for his question: “What is left to say about this?”
I am also halfway through listening to Alexander Mercouris’ program from yesterday. The first half is an analysis of the recent address of Iran’s spiritual leader concerning Israel’s attack on Iran. It is a very careful, and not obvious, explanation of what Mercouris considers to be the important aspect of that address, and needs to be taken into account when we ask the question b has posed.
So, it has my hearty recommend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP7WF-sRRi8

Posted by: juliania | Oct 29 2024 18:38 utc | 127

RE: Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 29 2024 18:13 utc | 121
I agree. That’s a micro view though.
The macro view: a Separation of the Wheat from the Tares.
And it’s global.
The divide and separation has been consistently driven, accelerating by catalyst such as:
(Syria: Benghazi emails? Theatre …Libya: sodomized death if Gadaffi … COVID: major divide.. Assassination Suelimoni and so on to: Palestine)
Every time the sickle raises and wields, the “sides” separate more and more.
And there are only 2 sides – Right — Wrong
Righteous—-Unrighteous Good—-Evil
And it’s global.
It comes out in forms like politics, natural disasters, conflicts, but its roots are separating, liars from lovers of the truth.
With Palestine, we’re all over here… because of our love for the truth, looking across the field in wonderment.
Well, that’s my take on the condition of humanity at the moment, just my opinion.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2024 18:39 utc | 128

Genocide As Colonial Erasure
https://x.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1851009376510673233
“In the present report, the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, Franceska Albanese, examines the unfolding horrors in the occupied Palestinian territory…”
The Eurocentric Colonialism of ‘Israel’ – Should Never Ever Have Been Created
https://x.com/timand2037/status/1851032129855213646
“The Palestinian cause is the cause of a native people fighting against a colonial Eurocentric anachronism called ‘Israel’. That is all, the rest is a distraction.”
Marwan Bishara: ‘Why I Don’t Care What Israel, An Outlaw State, Likes and Doesn’t Like’…
https://x.com/marwanbishara/status/1850936605994868751
“Nor should you.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 29 2024 18:40 utc | 129

Here is a practical test for you:
Go to Trump rally as a Black person – spoiler: you will be welcomed like family.
Go to a Harris event with a MAGA hat on – spoiler: you will be physically and verbally assaulted.
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 29 2024 18:13 utc | 121
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“Get ‘em out,” he shouts, as he did in St. Louis. “Get ‘em out. Come on. Let’s go. Get ‘em out.”
Trump, who encourages his supporters to surround and shout down protesters with chants of “USA,” has openly pined for “the old days,” when, he says, noisy demonstrators would be carried out of a political rally on stretchers.

“I’d like to punch him in the face,” he told a Las Vegas casino rally crowd last month when one protester was ejected. A white Trump supporter did exactly that on Wednesday at a North Carolina rally, punching a black protester in the face as police led the demonstrator out of an arena in Fayetteville.
John McGraw, who was arrested Thursday, could be seen in phone videos that circulated online striking the protester. He told “Inside Edition”: “Next time we see him, we might have to kill him.”
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-protester-violence-20160311-story.html
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William, for God’s sake, there is such a thing as the internet. The people managing Trump’s campaign today are more sophisticated than they were in 2015/16. Trump doesn’t love black people, he is still the racist that he has always been, but Trump wants and needs some black votes in a 50/50 race.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 29 2024 18:50 utc | 130

To be clear, the white people in “Israel” are the problem. Even the darker-skinned Israelis are treated like pariahs in the “most moral country” in the world.
The white people from Europe and America. It’s not Brazilian Jews or Algerian Jews or Moroccan Jews that are leading Zionism.
And the American Christian Zionists, who also are all white Americans, not Black American Christians.
Not to make it about race but it quite clearly is about race, certainly when we’re talking about racial supremacism.
Btw, I love white people as long as they are not psychopaths and don’t try to enslave me.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 18:54 utc | 131

William, for God’s sake, there is such a thing as the internet. The people managing Trump’s campaign today are more sophisticated than they were in 2015/16. Trump doesn’t love black people, he is still the racist that he has always been, but Trump wants and needs some black votes in a 50/50 race.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 29 2024 18:50 utc | 130
William, before you bite your head off, I did not mean to attack you, I was responding to the person (?) you were responding to.
My apologies,

Posted by: Ed | Oct 29 2024 18:55 utc | 132

“What is left to say about this?”
If one is to believe polls stating that ±90% of Israelis approve of Netanyahu’s policies on Gaza and Lebanon, then all one is left to say is, that Israelis are a bunch of c#nts.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 29 2024 19:06 utc | 133

All the Trump talk!
I am voting Trump and straight ticket GOP.
Because the Harris clan demands we believe murdering human fetus is health care

Posted by: paddy | Oct 29 2024 19:06 utc | 134

The United States is the primary actor here, with assistance from its UK & German partners. Without US sponsorship & financial-military assistance, Zionism would be overturned by more local forces. As it is, US imperialism is what needs to be opposed. It has absorbed Zionism into its over-arching imperial ideology. Zionism was an easy graft from the larger tree of settler-colonialist beliefs. by which the United States was formed. This “tree” is watered by genocidal racism. The fruit of such a tree is poisonous and bitter. It infects the brain and passes on into one’s progeny. Only mass action will overthrow such deep-rooted monstrosity!

Posted by: Jeffrey Kaye | Oct 29 2024 19:08 utc | 135

According to Ilan Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (pp. 235–36), “it was the Israel and the Zionist Jewish organizations abroad that were behind the decision to keep the IRO out of the picture” in Palestine. These Jewish groups insisted on the formation of UNRWA (UN Relief and Work Agency), a separate agency for the Palestinians, that alrealdy hived them off from the rest of the world’s people whom WW2 had turned into refugees. This entity would then be funded separately from other UN agencies. This made the UNRWA into an obvious target of Zionists and their supporters.
The Zionists did not want the International Refugee Organization— which was working with Jewish and other refugees to return them to their homes after WW2—to be involved with Palestinians in any way.
The UNRWA “was set up simply to provide employment and subsidies to the approximately one million Palestinian refugees who had ended up in the camps.”
So there is a horrible logic to the current move by Israel.
An agency created at its behest is also destroyed at its behest–deprived of its raison d’etre by genocide.
The UN caved in to the Zionists from the get-go.
It can be charged with complicity in the creation of the ethnostate. The UN created a monster and labeled it a butterfly.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 29 2024 19:11 utc | 136

“What is left to say about this?”
If one is to believe polls stating that ±90% of Israelis approve of Netanyahu’s policies on Gaza and Lebanon, then all one is left to say is, that Israelis are a bunch of c#nts.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 29 2024 19:06 utc | 133
As per canuk’s law, only half are cunts
The other half dicks
All of them assholes

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 29 2024 19:15 utc | 137

Granted, Trump is unlikely to change anything, but the blood of little children that is being spilled right now is not on Trump’s hands. It is on the TDS freaks’ hands. You can fume and rant all you want about what Trump might do, but as things stand, he is the lesser evil by a million miles.
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 29 2024 16:48 utc | 101
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I totally agree.
Trump certainly has blood on his hands, but so far, no genocide.
We shall see. I shall be very curious to learn what type of influence Tulsi Gabbard will have the Trump administration.
Living in a blue state, I shall be voting for Trump purely to add my drop of red to the attempt to loosen the grip of the Dem. Party on this state and rattle a few certainties.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 29 2024 19:16 utc | 138

Look, dear b.
I see your bar as a dimly lit old structure, a welcoming one, in a wasteland.
Many strays are coming to enjoy the respite from a cruelty in their world.Here we can nurse our drinks and talk.
Your outrage, and mine, are the same.
Do not give in to the ugliness, and thank you for providing us with the outlet.
What to do, well there is much, the resistance does it.
I have practiced BSDM for ages.
Also recently, I have harmed physically quite the few of zios in my little part of the world.
I have beaten up some of them, and pushed them down the stairs.
Do not give up

Posted by: stranger | Oct 29 2024 19:16 utc | 139

Scream!
https://www.edvardmunch.org/the-scream.jsp

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 29 2024 19:16 utc | 140

@Don Firineach | Oct 29 2024 19:16 utc | 140
I am in the frame of that painting, literally and figuratively.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 29 2024 19:21 utc | 141

OT… but ties into my earlier post RE:
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2024 17:24 utc | 112
https://www.rt.com/russia/606691-putin-launches-nuclear-exercise/
Putin launches nuclear exercise
The drills involve ballistic and cruise missile launches, according to the Russian president
“Given the growth of geopolitical tensions as well as the emergence of new external threats and risks, it is important to have modern strategic forces that are constantly ready for combat use,” the president said. Moscow plans to further improve all the “components” of its nuclear triad, he noted.”
Good thorough read needed.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2024 19:22 utc | 142

how do 100 Israeli planes fly over Syria to within 100 km of Iran and they are engaged by no air defense at all?

Posted by: cafe con leche7 | Oct 29 2024 19:28 utc | 143

see the photo at the links
this somehow reminds me of the US soldiers in Vietnam, some of whom collected the cut off ears of the ‘viet cong’ enemy whom they had killed. a bizarre collection or trophies for display of their machismo and ‘success’
https://x.com/HadiNasrallah/status/1851289352158265609
Hadi @HadiNasrallah
There is something really demonic about the entire Israeli society and mentality
https://x.com/MannieMighty1/status/1851242359121436725
Mannie Quinn & The Mighty Hornets🐝 @MannieMighty1
IDF bulldozer, decorated with trophies of toys which belonged to the children who lived in the homes it destroys.
Truly demonic.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 29 2024 19:30 utc | 144

Perhaps b could post a trump thread for y’all

Posted by: ld | Oct 29 2024 19:34 utc | 145

#39 Posted by teri:
“I seriously don’t understand how members of the US congress and senate can stand themselves supporting this abomination. What is wrong with them? Can money really buy someone’s soul and morality so completely?”
The simple answer?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad
The dark triad traits have significant theoretical and empirical overlap. All three traits share characteristics such as a lack of empathy, interpersonal hostility, and interpersonal offensiveness.

The leaders of the world are all extremely high scoring in all three DT areas. They are monsters unencumbered by any consideration of ‘others’ beyond how they can be exploited and manipulated.

Posted by: saner | Oct 29 2024 19:41 utc | 146

”Perhaps b could post a trump thread for y’all”
Good idea except the TDS people need to vent their spleen and externalize their trauma in all threads. A thread just for their teeth-gnashing wouldn’t work. TDS is a pathology, and its victims must express their anguish before the largest possible audiences. Who would go to a thread solely dedicated to bitching about one particular candidate?

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 29 2024 19:54 utc | 147

Re: Apartheid Regime and Reparations
On 18.Sept; The UNGA overwhelmingly voted to affirm the 18.July ICJ AO namely:
1) The Likud runs an Apartheid Regime
2) The occupied territories must be evacuated
3) Reparations are due
Define the Likud government as an Apartheid Regime has a host of far reaching consequences for any individual or organization supporting said Apartheid Regime. It’s a very big club.
Now note that the US federal government will feel the full force of De-Dollarization in 2027. That means it’s O V E R for the genociders. The sugar daddy won’t have any influence anymore.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2024 20:01 utc | 148

I am quite sure the child-murderer army will look for a “peace” or “ceasefire” with Lebanon shortly mainly BECAUSE THEY ARE DEPLETING THE IRON DOME DEFENSE MISSILES, with the amount of rockets, missiles and drones Hezbollah is raining on Northern Occupied Palestine nor the US nor Occupied Palestine (under fire) can produce enough to maintain the level of missiles used, and also in all the region, they don’t know where the next barrage of rockets will hit, so they need a huge amount of rockets in ALL the geography of Occupied Palestine.
Not Occupied Palestine, nor USA are big industrial countries, they are not like Russia or China or Iran, they are used to subcontract and off-shore a big part of their production, so they cannot fight an attrition war not because the industrial production nor because the population do not support casualties, they are entitled western countries with the habit to bomb unarmed civilians.
The last thing Hezbollah should do is to agree in any separate ceasefire, because, as the “trap” of the Minsk accords in the case of Ukraine, the child-murderers will use this period to replenish the stock of missiles to the teeth and then start to bomb like mad dogs the civilian population of Lebanon and start again to kill the Hezbollah leaders.

Posted by: Dave | Oct 29 2024 20:12 utc | 150

Not to make it about race but it quite clearly is about race, certainly when we’re talking about racial supremacism.
Btw, I love white people as long as they are not psychopaths and don’t try to enslave me.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 18:54 utc | 131
Right. So what about white American and European workers and poor? Are they culpable for the crimes of their exploiters?
Racial analysis is the hallmark of the Zionists and the Nazis. Two fucking loser regimes that are doomed to failure based almost totally on their religious beliefs in the mysteries of the blood. Consequently they both violently reject philosophical materialism when it comes into conflict with their racial delusions.
Why use a tool that doesn’t work, Love? Is it your backwards religiosity?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 29 2024 20:12 utc | 151

A few kind words for Catholicism:
“The only standard to judge any epoch is by how much it allowed the flourishing of human dignity. The Catholic Middle Ages are the greatest epoch.” Romano Guardini
The Pope is not answerable for the massacre of Palestinians by Jews.

Posted by: Kansas | Oct 29 2024 20:16 utc | 152

AL Manar live feed previous 24 hours:
Israeli Channel 12 reports missile fire at Kibbutz Dan in Galilee Panhandle
20:31 Islamic Resistance targeted the gatherings of “Israeli” soldiers in the Al-Yaqousa area at the outskirts of the town of Khiam with a rocket barrage: statement
19:51 Lebanese Health Ministry: 77 martyrs and 180 wounded were recorded during the past 24 hours, bringing the overall toll since the beginning of the Zionist aggression to 2,787 martyrs and 12,772 injuries
19:49 Islamic Resistance targeted Goma junction, south of Kiryat Shmona, with two assault gliders and two assault drones which hit the ir targets accurately: statement
18:26 Islamic Resistance targets an IOF gathering in Zarit settlement with a missile barrage: statement
17:36 Islamic Resistance targets an IOF gathering at Doviv barracks with a missile barrage: statement
17:21 Election of New Secretary General Says Hezbollah Has Recovered: MP More..
16:59 Hezbollah Intensifies Strikes on Northern Israeli Settlements, Downs Hermes 900 UAV More..
15:33 Hezbollah’s Islamic Resistance fighters target a gathering of Israeli enemy soldiers at the Ras Al-Naqoura naval site with a missile salvo: statement
15:16 Yemeni Armed Forces Strike Israeli Port, Drones Infiltrate Undetected More..
14:44 Israeli occupation Army Spox: One officer, 3 soldiers killed and another officer seriously injured during the battles in the northern Gaza Strip
14:39 Hezbollah’s Islamic Resistance fighters target a gathering of Israeli enemy soldiers at the Jal Al-Alam Israeli site with a missile salvo: statement
14:35 Hezbollah’s Air Defense Unit successfully downs an Israeli Hermes 900 UAV over Marjayoun using a surface-to-air missile: statement
13:52 Iran’s FM: The UN Security Council must confront “Israel” over its continued war, targeting of civilians in Gaza and Lebanon
13:49 Iranian FM Abbas Araghchi during a meeting with foreign ambassadors: We stress the need to exert diplomatic efforts to halt Israeli attacks
13:30 Islamic Resistance fighters launched a barrage of rockets targeting Ma’alot-Tarshiha: Hezbollah statement
13:28 Israeli Defense Ministry says 12,000 soldiers have entered rehab programs since start of war
13:22 Dozens of Martyrs in Bekaa Massacres as Israeli Aggression on Lebanon Enters Day 37 More..
13:15 389 Days of Israeli Aggression, Dozens of Martyrs in A New Massacre in Beit Lahia More..
12:39 Hezbollah’s Islamic Resistance fighters target the Israeli settlement of Kfar Vradim with a barrage of rockets: statement
11:42 Some 50 rockets fired from Lebanon in latest barrage: Israeli media
11:40 Israeli killed in rocket impact in Ma’alot-Tarshiha: Israeli media
11:39 Islamic Resistance fighters fire a barrage of rockets at the Israeli settlement of Dalton: Hezbollah statement
11:16 Sheikh Naim Qassem Elected Hezbollah Secretary General More..
10:28 Hezbollah declares election of Sheikh Naim Qassem as Secretary General: statement
10:01 Israeli artillery shells border town of Khiam as well as several towns near the southern city of Tyre: National News Agency
09:47 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon reports Israeli strike on the border town of Al-Taybe
09:20 Israeli media: Sirens sounding in ‘Dafna’,
‘HaGoshrim’, ‘Kfar Szold’, ‘Kibutz Dan’, and ‘Shear Yeshuv’ in northeastern occupied Palestine due to drone infiltration fears
08:51 Israeli media: Sirens sounding in Nahariya and surrounding settlements, due to suspected drone infiltration
01:29 Islamic Resistance launches combat drones at a gathering of Israeli occupation forces in Zarit settlement, hitting the target accurately: statement
01:24 Hezbollah drones target gatherings of Israeli occupation soldiers and vehicles in Kfar Giladi quarry and Al-Manara settlement, hitting their targets accurately: statements
00:59 Israeli Army Runs Away from Ground Battle with Hezbollah Fighters, Reportedly Withdraws All Troops from Lebanon Border Towns More..
2024-10-28
23:38 Sirens sounded in Rosh Pina and its vicinity in eastern Safed: Israeli media
23:11 Hezbollah fighters strike an IOF gathering in Yaakousa area, outskirts of Khiam town, with a large missile barrage: statement
22:59 Islamic Resistance Operations Room: Israeli Enemy Has so far Failed to Occupy Any of Lebanon’s Border Towns More..
22:27 Hezbollah fighters target IOF gathering in Hamames area, south of Khiam town, with a missile barrage: statement
22:24 Israeli Knesset passes law banning UNRWA from operating in occupied Palestine
22:04 Yemeni Navy Maintains Blockade on Israeli Enemy: 3 More Operations More..
21:55 Islamic Resistance fighters targeted a gathering of Israeli enemy soldiers in Even Menachem settlement with an assault drone, hitting the targets accurately: statement
21:46 Islamic Resistance fighters targeted a gathering of Israeli enemy soldiers in Kfar Giladi settlement with an assault drone, hitting the target accurately: statement
21:44 Islamic Resistance fighters targeted a gathering of Israeli enemy soldiers east of the town of Aitaroun with a large assault glider, causing confirmed injuries: statement

Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2024 20:18 utc | 153

shame on foreign minister Baerbock, and shame on Germany
“….The idea that civilians can lose their protected status due to the presence of combatants contravenes core principles of international humanitarian law, including the Geneva Conventions, Hague Regulations, the Rome Statute, and numerous UN resolutions. Upholding civilian protections is essential for preserving international law, safeguarding fundamental human rights, and ensuring stability in conflict zones. Undermining these laws opens the door to indiscriminate violence and weakens the global structures designed to protect civilians…..”
https://ejmagnier.com/2024/10/29/annalena-baerbocks-gaza-comments-fuel-accusations-of-german-complicity-in-genocide/
Annalena Baerbock’s Gaza Comments Fuel Accusation of German Complicity in Genocide
By Elijah J. Magnier
A petition led by the Palestine Academic Group (Pal-Ac) calls on Germany to end its complicity in the Gaza genocide and revoke Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock’s recent statement that disregards and encourages Israel’s violations of international laws in Gaza. Baerbock’s claim that civilians lose their protected status when “Hamas terrorists hide behind people” is viewed as an endorsement of civilian targeting and a dangerous precedent in the context of Gaza, where over two million Palestinians, including civilians, lack safe escape routes due to Israeli-imposed restrictions.
The article highlighted fundamental international legal principles, like proportionality and distinction, that Israel, as an occupying force, is bound to uphold under IHL. It argues that Baerbock’s stance conflicts with these principles and Germany’s commitment to historical lessons against genocide to prevent atrocities and protect civilian life.
The petition has garnered international support from academics and professionals, with over 300 signatories from Germany, the USA, the UK, the EU, the Middle East, Latin America, Japan, Australia, South Africa, Canada and many other countries, underscoring a global concern about Germany’s stance. These signatories denounce Germany’s support for Israeli actions in Gaza, labelling them as genocidal and urging the government to retract Baerbock’s statement….
….Accepting that civilians lose protected status if near combatants could set a dangerous precedent with broad and troubling implications. Such a shift would not only affect civilians directly but also increase risks for European and Western troops, including German forces, deployed internationally. Here’s an exploration of these risks:
….The assertion that civilians lose their non-combatant status if military forces operate nearby poses significant violations of international humanitarian law (IHL). International conventions, protocols, and judicial bodies have established a robust framework designed to protect civilians during armed conflicts, irrespective of the presence of combatants. This framework includes the Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols, the Hague Conventions, the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), and various United Nations declarations. Baerbock undermined the specific laws that protect civilian status in conflict zones, the principles they uphold, and the consequences of undermining these protections….
The Fourth Geneva Convention (1949)….
The Hague Regulations (1907)…..
Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (1998)….
Principle of Distinction and the Protection of Civilian Status….
….The concept of collective punishment, prohibited under Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, reinforces the civilian protections in place during armed conflicts. Collective punishment refers to punishing a group of civilians for the actions of individuals or combatants within that group…
UN General Assembly Resolutions and International Humanitarian Law.
The UN General Assembly has issued numerous resolutions underscoring civilian protection. Resolution 2444 (1968) reaffirms the requirement that warring parties distinguish between civilians and combatants, emphasising the need for restraint. Resolution 2675 (1970) further affirms that “civilian populations, or individual members thereof, should not be the object of reprisals, forcible transfers, or other acts of violence.”
Such resolutions underline the international community’s view that civilian status is non-negotiable, reflecting the normative stance that civilians cannot forfeit their immunity under IHL….

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 29 2024 20:21 utc | 154

Posted by: Dave | Oct 29 2024 20:12 utc | 149
The last thing Hezbollah should do is to agree in any separate ceasefire

I just read (but couldn’t find the place despite looking for a while, perhaps someone else has seen this too) that Hamas and Hezbollah agreed to have a ceasefire on both fronts, or none.

Posted by: Konami | Oct 29 2024 20:26 utc | 155

Looks like Israelis have been recruited into the “depopulation of useless eaters” agenda…One day they’ll realize that they are useless eaters too…probably too late…

Posted by: Pyrrhus | Oct 29 2024 20:36 utc | 156

Why are Germans supporting Jews?
Do they think that the crimes from bazi Germany can somehow ve diluted or cleared if they help Jews to kill Palestinians.

Posted by: vargas | Oct 29 2024 20:37 utc | 157

@vargas #111
The same moronic analysis behind “shock and awe” sanctions bringing Russia to its knees, underlies your blithe assumption that the West can underwrite an entire war economy, even if it is for a nation of only 10 million people.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 29 2024 20:38 utc | 158

These comments advocating violence against Jews do not help things. I assume they are largely made by those who wish to discredit legitimate discussion.
No food has entered Gaza from Rafah crossing since Israel took possession of the Philadelphia corridor. All food enters Gaza from Israel.
The food aid entering Gaza from the Israel crossings has amounted on average to one meal every other day for Gazans.
The new legislation banning UNPRA will amount to a near total cessation of food entering Gaza.
It appears to me Israel will have largely completed its goals in Gaza by 2026. The media blackout will continue. Once its done its done.

Posted by: chuckles | Oct 29 2024 20:38 utc | 159

US State Department’s extraordinarily mendacious spokesperson Miller suggested the civilians killed in the Beit Lahiya apartment block bombing were “caught in a crossfire” and that the US was “deeply concerned” by the loss of life.
One point of contrast which should be more widely discussed was Russia’s “deconfliction” strategies in Syria which prioritized the creation of conditions to prevent civilian populations from being trapped in war zones in the first place. This involved the separation of rebel forces from entrenched urban zones, essentially by offering safe passage to Idlib. The contrast to the Israel/US mindset of simply killing and destroying is stark, and received muted attention due to ongoing Russophobic information campaigns. Although now partially forgotten, the hysterical coverage by the western media on Syria during these deconfliction programs was also in stark contrast to the mealy equivocal stance on Israel today.

Posted by: jayc | Oct 29 2024 20:39 utc | 160

@Konami | Oct 29 2024 20:26 utc | 154
Yes I have seen that too, can’t remember where right now. Probably in one of the Telegram channels.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 29 2024 20:45 utc | 161

Norwegian | Oct 29 2024 19:21 utc | 141
It is a universal piece of art. It’s how I scream on a blog.
Many of us are in that frame.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 29 2024 20:56 utc | 162

The vast majority of the population is opposed to Imperialist war.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 29 2024 16:04 utc | 85
majority? No. Vast? Definitely not. Having many contacts in both left leaning and right leaning circles, I generally only speak my mind to those I know agree with me.
Most Americans I am left to listen to their paternalistic, bloodthirsty foolishness and ignorance.
It always reminds me of the story of Lot. In my situation it is about 100 people. One once wore a USS Liberty hat, so I thought he got it, but nope a few months later, he started talking about Russia…
There is only one other, who has an end times view, who seems wise, but we both keep our opinions thinly veiled, so it is hard to tell. Another 50% never even talk war, but it is clear they care about party over policy. The other 50% find it easy to advocate war and demonize the evil dictator du jour dictated by the msm.
At best, Id put about 25% of Americans find America’s foreign policy repugnant.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 29 2024 21:08 utc | 163

Turkey it is front page news all the time, everyday as it is in Iran of course.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 29 2024 13:29 utc | 38
This is heartening when trying to determine how the “wildcard” in everything (ukraine and Palestine) will be played.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 29 2024 21:17 utc | 164

further more…
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1851236319738949713
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
Iran’s Foreign Minister responding to German’s Baerbock:
“Your government is accomplice in the ongoing Israeli genocide. Germany is the N° 2 provider of lethal weapons to Israel for its genocidal campaign in Gaza and carnage in Lebanon.”
https://x.com/araghchi/status/1851230617561682146
Seyed Abbas Araghchi @araghchi
No terrorist enjoys impunity in Iran. Even if supported by Germany.
Iranian national Jamshid Sharmahd openly and unashamedly led a terrorist attack on a MOSQUE that killed 14 innocent people—including women and children. More than 200 were injured. The evidence is public and available for all to see.
A German passport does not provide impunity to anyone, let alone a terrorist criminal.
Enough with the gaslighting @ABaerbock
Stop supporting child killers and terrorists and do not hide yourself behind hypocritical human rights slogans. We have not forgotten about the chemical weapons provided to Saddam’s regime by German nationals.
Your government is accomplice in the ongoing Israeli genocide. Germany is the No#2 provider of lethal weapons to Israel for its genocidal campaign in Gaza and carnage in Lebanon. Look around. Even your own people ridicule your arrogant human rights claims.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 29 2024 21:32 utc | 165

@Don Firineach | Oct 29 2024 20:56 utc | 161

Many of us are in that frame.

Sure, but I know the location where it is from and the field of view. That is why I am literally in the frame.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 29 2024 21:38 utc | 166

In response to

A few kind words for Catholicism:
“The only standard to judge any epoch is by how much it allowed the flourishing of human dignity. The Catholic Middle Ages are the greatest epoch.” Romano Guardini
The Pope is not answerable for the massacre of Palestinians by Jews.
Posted by: Kansas | Oct 29 2024 20:16 utc | 151

You read like a turnip that just feel off the truck and into this bar. How about if you read a little Michael Hudson before you spew any more falsehoods perpetrated by the faithful.
https://michael-hudson.com/2024/08/how-rome-reversed-christianity-from-compassion-to-control/

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2024 21:41 utc | 167

For those who defend the fringes of Islamic cults:
The Taliban in Afghanistan have implemented a bizarre new edict that will further curb the voices of women who are already prohibited from speaking in public.
Mohammad Khalid Hanafi, the Taliban minister for the propagation of virtue and the prevention of vice, declared that women must refrain from reciting the Quran aloud in the presence of other women, reported Amu TV, an Afghan news channel based in Virginia, US.
“When women are not permitted to call takbir or athan [Islamic call to prayer], they certainly cannot sing songs or music,” he said in remarks reported on Saturday.
“Even when an adult female prays and another female passes by, she must not pray loudly enough for them to hear … How could they be allowed to sing if they aren’t even permitted to hear [each other’s] voices while praying, let alone for anything else.”
Mr Hanafi was also quoted as saying by The Daily Telegraph that; “A woman’s voice is considered awrah, meaning that which must be covered, and shouldn’t be heard in public, even by other women, the minister said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/afghan-women-banned-from-hearing-each-other-in-bizarre-new-taliban-rule/ar-AA1t75mM?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=ade223c87d8f49be974a52fe8d06f14b&ei=51

Posted by: Ed | Oct 29 2024 21:45 utc | 168

@ Chris Cosmos (52) and james (78)
As fellow barfly Aristodemos put it last July,

Germany remains an occupied nation. Both the U$$A and Perfidious Albion refused to sign a peace treaty with ANY German regime since May 8,1945. Thusly, the German government is nothing more than a puppet regime, brutally held down by those who are the attack dogs for the evil ones in City of London and Wall $treet. Their long-held aim is to keep Germany down and Russia out.

What makes one think Germany has any more agency than any other European nation?

Posted by: joey_n | Oct 29 2024 21:48 utc | 169

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 29 2024 19:21 utc | 141
About the Norwegian Painter Edward Munchh’s Scream:
“I am in the frame of that painting, literally and figuratively.”
Well Norwegian: then you, as he was- are one of THEM

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Oct 29 2024 22:04 utc | 170

Lutnick’s insane statement at Trump’s Madison Garden rally recently.
Lutnick Zionism
Btw, Reagan told the Israelis to stop bombing Beirut because they were conducting a genocide and the Israelis immediately stopped. Lutnick was lying about how Reagan felt about the Israelis.
This is what voting for Trump is a vote for. “The lesser of two evils” or so I have been told. Mass murder is ok because it may be 2% less than the Democrats were responsible for. The marginal benefit of voting for one murderer over the other.

US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright on 60 minutes

The death of 500,000 dead Iraqi children was “a very hard choice, but the price-we think the price is worth it”

500,000 children from starvation. Think about that.
Think about Lutnick saying that 2-year-old children are raised to hate Americans, implying that they need to be killed before their 3rd birthday.
Trump policy thinking. MAGA!!!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 22:22 utc | 171

John Gilberts | Oct 29 2024 14:57 utc | 64
“I seriously don’t understand how members of the US congress and senate can stand themselves supporting this abomination. What is wrong with them? Can money really buy someone’s soul and morality so completely?”
Former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter

They have no soul or morality. Its a prerequisite for the job.
I have been sick over this for a long time and just as sick over the people I know who see nothing wrong because they are told its all OK by the Western Media owned and controlled by you know who.

Posted by: circumspect | Oct 29 2024 22:22 utc | 172

Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, in an interview with CNN, stated, “Our enemy is not Iran, Hezbollah, or Hamas, but rather Israeli extremists alongside Netanyahu,” expressing regret over Netanyahu’s reliance on extremists and his disregard for their unacceptable actions.

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 29 2024 22:23 utc | 173

Compare and contrast the way Russia and Israel are treated by western governments. One gets sanctioned for defending people, the other gets encouraged to kill innocents.

Posted by: D J G | Oct 29 2024 22:24 utc | 174

Compare and contrast the way Russia and Israel are treated by western governments. One gets sanctioned for defending people, the other gets encouraged to kill innocents.
Posted by: D J G | Oct 29 2024 22:24 utc | 173
They are not afraid of Russia. That’s why.

Posted by: vargas | Oct 29 2024 22:48 utc | 175

Why use a tool that doesn’t work, Love? Is it your backwards religiosity?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 29 2024 20:12 utc | 150
###############
Why can’t I talk about race when I am referring to racial supremacists? What next, I cannot “notice” that much of the Western media is controlled by Zionists?
If my comments about race make you uncomfortable, I recommend that you investigate that and dig deeper into why it provokes a response. All of your answers can be found within you.
You keep trying to blame my age and religion when really, it may be that you don’t understand it because you have not experienced racism firsthand. I don’t wish it on you.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 22:54 utc | 176

A few kind words for turning the other cheek:
The neighboring regional Vichy/ Muslim governments are permitting the Palestinians to be slaughtered by the Jews. They have been bought off or scared off. They live in Vichy at heart. They are ignoble because collectively they have every opportunity to bring the slaughter to an end. Add in Turkey and the Gulf States. Theirs is a secondary responsibility to end this after the responsibility of the Jews themselves.
Benedict XVI helpfully wrote in a paper delivered at Regensburg that Islam does not know that God is the Logos, the seat of Reason. Reason is an approach to God. Islam can helpfully be considered a Christian heresy which, paradoxically, arose apart from the Church. Many anomalies fall into place with this insight.
Gog in Ezechiel is likely King Gyges of Lydia; Gog of the Book of Revelation refers to the many enemies of the Church, of whom see several contributors to this splendid site.
The Houthies are perhaps the noblest Muslims in the region because of their courage in coming to the aid of the Palestinians. But then the noblest of them all are the suffering Palestinians themselves. The Palestinians and the Houthies are a reproach to the Vichy Muslims in the region.
To paraphrase Dr Johnson, ‘Insulting is not the mode of conversation among gentlemen.’
A few kind words for colonizers: I live in Kansas where the native stone age population in 1850 was estimated at 30,000 in four warring tribes for an area of 80,000 square miles. Until the Spanish introduced the horse, their only domestic animal was the dog. Native life improved 714% with the introduction of the horse. If natives could choose to expel the colonizers but lose the horse and metal tools and the Gospel, I doubt they would do it.
With Leon Bloy, “I await the arrival of the Cossacks and the Holy Ghost.”

Posted by: Kansas | Oct 29 2024 23:02 utc | 177

Oh, and add in the wheel as an introduction to the stone age natives by the colonizers of Kansas.

Posted by: Kansas | Oct 29 2024 23:05 utc | 178

Posted by: Kansas | Oct 29 2024 23:0
I doubt the indigenous people’s lives improved 714%… and there is a good chance they would have given those horses back to the colonizers if they knew the future it would bring. I say this as an anthropologist.

Posted by: dp | Oct 29 2024 23:16 utc | 179

The Zionist are a killing orgy because they know the end game is in sight. A cease fire is required due to the casualties they are taking on reservists not turning up after rotation. A cease fire is also their hope of staying Iran’s hand.
I hope Iran responds in a manner that seriously clips the Entity’s wings and its ability to inflict wanton destruction on civilians.
The genociders are not resilient.

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 29 2024 23:18 utc | 180

https://x.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1848007903783059730
Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur oPt @FranceskAlbs
In Gaza, the collective shame of the century continues unabated and unstopped, in defiance of every norm of international law and morale. The Palestinians, exhausted by relentless attacks on their bodies and souls are abandoned to their tormentors. Shocking images of summary executions, mass forced displacements, and other egregious abuses strike us, leaving us stunned and bewildered, unable to comprehend that what is happening in Gaza is truly real.
What a disgraceful testament to our global failure to protect basic human rights. The United Nations, once a believed beacon of hope and a force for peace, are crumbling under the weight of this shame – and the pressure of the inaction or complicity of its most powerful member states.
https://x.com/pchrgaza/status/1847963308202025067
Palestinian Centre for Human Rights – PCHR @pchrgaza
🚨Live-streamed ethnic cleansing: Israeli occupation forces are forcing residents of northern #Gaza Strip to leave their homes and shelters and is carrying out mass arrests of Palestinian civilians.
♦️We have been for weeks warning of Israel’s Generals’ Plan, which is being currently executed for the 16th consecutive day. The plan is aimed at emptying northern Gaza Strip by imposing a strict siege and exterminating and starving the population to force them to leave southwards.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 29 2024 23:19 utc | 181

Ok, I got caught….don’t feed the

Native life improved 714% with the introduction of the horse.

troll…..LOL!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2024 23:28 utc | 182

They are not afraid of Russia. That’s why.
Posted by: vargas | Oct 29 2024 22:48 utc | 174
They love and control Israel.
They can’t control and fear Russia.
That’s why
Nobody is afraid of Israel.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 29 2024 23:47 utc | 183

Words to live by, from Alastair Crooke:

If culture is unable to offer a meaning to the notion of sacrifice and loss, it does not put man in a position to face the tragedy of his condition.

https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/10/29/a-heroic-preference-for-self-destruction-is-taking-hold-in-israel/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 29 2024 23:52 utc | 184

In isolation, what is happening in Palestine and the lack of visible response to the ongoing genocide by the Global majority is soul destroying.
But seemingly random actions by individual countries and certain groupings (BRICS/ICJ/SMO,etc) are putting the nails on the coffin that is the Entity.
Iran has exposed the UNSC as complicit in the ongoing genocide.
Countries are reluctant to impose illegal sanctions, hagemon is facing more resistance from the Global majority.
The crimes by the Zionists will be be remembered.
This hasn’t changed much in isolation but the pieces are coming together.

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 30 2024 0:06 utc | 185

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 29 2024 23:18 utc | 179
I think of trump wins, he can negotiate a ceasefire, which saves Israel’s hide, leys them keep some of North Gaza, and lets them continue with the slow genocide they were doing on 0ctober 6th, 2023. If he loses, the grind continues, and Harris admin too incompetent to save Israel, and it just slowly bleeds out.
One of the many reasons I don’t care who wins.
1) Que sera, sera.
2) I cant predict or know anyways.
3) Even if I could, cant change it.
Not voting, and have not watched any news, or read any thing about the election, except the recent Joe Rogan podcast, because he is always honest in his dialogue.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 0:11 utc | 186

On the Outskirts of Khiam – Resistance Roundup – Day 389
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/on-the-outskirts-of-khiam-resistance-roundup-day-389/#
Merkava Tally as of Tuesday night
local time
248 destroyed (added 1)
688 approx. damaged (added 1)

Posted by: Exile | Oct 30 2024 0:11 utc | 187

https://x.com/PhilipProudfoot/status/1851044848096190538
Philip Proudfoot 🇱🇧🇵🇸 @PhilipProudfoot
Credit to Oxfam for moral clarity here
https://www.oxfam.org.uk/media/press-releases/oxfam-reaction-to-israels-ban-of-unrwa/
Oxfam reaction to Israel’s ban of UNRWA
In reaction to the Knesset passing bills banning UNRWA from operating in areas under Israel’s control, Sally Abi Khalil, Oxfam Regional Director in the Middle East and North Africa said: “Israel has bombed Palestinians to death, maimed them, starved them, and is now ridding them of their biggest lifeline of aid. Piece by piece, Israel is systemically dismantling Gaza as a land that is autonomous and liveable for Palestinians. Its banning of UNRWA today is condemnable and another step in this crime.
“The decision will further undermine the ability of the international community to provide sufficient humanitarian aid and to save lives in any safe, independent and impartial way.
“UNRWA is not only the biggest and most established agency that has been delivering aid and sustenance to the people of Gaza for years, it is also a thread that connected them in some hope of solidarity and security to the United Nations.
“We are in no doubt that Israel and its allies are fully aware of the terrible consequences that this decision will have on Palestinians living in Gaza, many of whom are already starving. We join others in warning again that this will result in more death, more suffering, and more forced displacement of people from their besieged homeland. It is impossible not to believe that this is their aim.”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 30 2024 0:13 utc | 188

Barflies,
Neither the IDF nor the Pentagon is controlling events in the Levant anymore. The IDF has been defeated, Likudniks just doesn’t know it yet.
Don’t confuse Blind Rage atrocities with prevailing militarily.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 30 2024 0:16 utc | 189

♦️We have been for weeks warning of Israel’s Generals’ Plan, which is being currently executed for the 16th consecutive day. The plan is aimed at emptying northern Gaza Strip by imposing a strict siege and exterminating and starving the population to force them to leave southwards.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 29 2024 23:19 utc | 180
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“The plan is aimed at emptying northern Gaza Strip by imposing a strict siege and exterminating and starving the population to force them to leave southwards.”
After emptying Palestinians from Northern Gaza into the South, the zio-Nazis will draw a new line in the South and begin the process all over again until they will have push all the surviving civilian population against the fence and the Philadelphia Corridor, leading into Egypt where they will be dumped like garbage into desert.
That is the Israeli PLAN to empty Gaza, and they know that Trump will allow this because Trump is in contact with Netanyahu during the camping. Trump is Natanyahu favorit candidate to win the U.S. election, and you can bet that AIPAC is all but running Trumps campaign.
“Donald Trump told a crowd of supporters that he spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday, mainly about the Middle East wars. According to Trump, the Israeli leader said he disregarded President Joe Biden’s warning to keep troops out of Rafah in southern Gaza, a decision that resulted in the killing of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar in a shootout in the area. Trump also said Netanyahu asked him for advice on how to respond to Iran’s missile attack on Israel—to which Trump said he responded, “Do what you have to do.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-trump-s-phone-call-with-netanyahu-is-so-alarming/ar-AA1sGWH1

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2024 0:42 utc | 190

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2024 0:42 utc | 189
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Can you imagine how Bibi will interpret “do what you have to do”?
And some barflies try to say that Trump is the lesser of two evils. LOL
I do go back and forth. I want the election to be stolen from Trump, and part of me wants the Axis to humiliate him should he get back into power with all of his genocidal buddies.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 30 2024 1:05 utc | 191

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 0:11 utc | 185
Agreed, the “winner” of the US election will not change the direction in the ME.
But, in my humble opinion, why not vote for Jill.

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 30 2024 1:45 utc | 192

Aleph_Null:
Thanks for that SCF article by Alistair Crooke. I strongly recommend all here to read it. Nails the mindset of Israelis currently and why it is so.

Posted by: morongobill | Oct 30 2024 2:07 utc | 193

But, in my humble opinion, why not vote for Jill.
Posted by: Suresh | Oct 30 2024 1:45 utc | 191
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It a protest vote, for what that is worth.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2024 2:18 utc | 194

But, in my humble opinion, why not vote for Jill.
Posted by: Suresh | Oct 30 2024 1:45 utc | 191
1) even being registered just helps fix elections.
2) to vote would be to acknowledge my vote is worth anything.
3) I dont need to know how many people feel like me by viewing fixed numbers. I know it is nowhere near enough by experience, not by “msm lies”.
4) Voting is me giving them help in tuning their lie machine. I’d rather they just guess.
5) I dont want to be on record as having a political opinion, and certainly not that of a free thinker.
6) To me, voting would be like thanking a mugger for not killing me after he broke my nose and took my shit. Pointless and feeding the mugger’s delusion that he isn’t that bad a guy after all.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 2:26 utc | 195

#110 re. War crimes tribunals. Confiscation of assets. Death penalties.
I think a great time for mass arrests in USSA Inc would be at candidates’ election results parties next Tuesday. Their location is known and the parties are generally broadcast live.

Posted by: Matt | Oct 30 2024 2:28 utc | 196

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 29 2024 18:13 utc | 121
* Go to Trump rally as a Black person – spoiler: you will be welcomed like family.
* Go to a Harris event with a MAGA hat on – spoiler: you will be physically and verbally assaulted.
Wow. I would say I’m shocked at the shallow level of this non-comparison, but Gruff has been slipping lately. “As a Black person” at a Trump rally would be the same as “As a white male with a crew cut” at a Kamala event. Neither one would engender any hatred or scorn.
Going to a Harris event with a MAGA hat on is the equivalent of going to a MAGA event with a Biden or Harris shirt on. Even more so if the person doing so isn’t white, but who knows these days. In both cases you’d engender laughs, threats or insults.
That’s the USA. Merika. A population that gets off on being brainwashed into ‘othering’ and hating their fellow fools who themselves are brainwashed into believing that by voting Blue or Red for President that anything’s going to change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEH9SLG4X9E
That said, I still plan to vote for Jill Stein as a finger in the eye of the Democrats and if they’ve managed to get her removed from the ballot I’ll vote for Trump for the simple reason that it’s a solid red state and he’s going to win anyway, so fuck the DNC and their genocides in Ukraine and Gaza.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 30 2024 2:53 utc | 197

@b,
Here’s wishing you well. I hope you have gathered enough data points to tell us your thoughts on the entity’s attack on Iran, from military, and geopolitical standpoint.
There are many that say it was a failed attempt, while others scream success. What do you think?
Was there aborted waves? Is Iranian AD up-to snuff? What is this ‘unknown AD’ they are talking about? Why the glum faces in the entity’s war-room?

There is a lot of talk about the empire coming to the entity’s rescue and put down Iran, once and for all – then the peace will ensue.
Will it really? So far the empire has shown how cowardly it is, hiding behind the chihuahua for the attacks, providing support in every dimension.
I maintain Iran has MAD capabilities, even without nukes. Even a decapitated Iran, via a nuclear bomb dropped in Tehran, has – I think it’s called dead-man’s-hand – plans to respond. Every war game played over successive years – at least since Millennium Challenge 2002 – have resulted in the empire losing. Are we to believe any blow by the empire will not end the empire? Are the empire’s managers hateful enough to allow that?

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 30 2024 3:06 utc | 198

“You read like a turnip that just feel off the truck and into this bar. How about if you read a little Michael Hudson before you spew any more falsehoods perpetrated by the faithful.”
https://michael-hudson.com/2024/08/how-rome-reversed-christianity-from-compassion-to-control/
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2024 21:41 utc | 166
This conversation is very much OT here, psychohistorian, but I will thank you for your link. I have great respect for Prof. Hudson as an economist; none at all for him as a religious scholar. However, we could better converse on this subject on an open thread as it has no place here.
For what it is worth, incidentally, I am another turnip. And so, dear man, are you.
Flannery O’Connor has a great short story “Revelation”, in which her heroine, a Mrs.Turpin, is peeled back from her own selfsatisfaction in most admirable fashion. Many would benefit from reading and discussing this insightful story. It is what Christianity is all about, and yes, Flannery was a Roman Catholic.
Let’s take it to an Open forum, psychohistorian. I am ready if you are.
My apologies for the OT post. Christians are among the dead and dying in Palestine.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 30 2024 3:53 utc | 199

How many children must we kill?
Before we make the waves stand still
Men die to build their Pharaoh’s tombs
And still, and still the teeming wombs
How many men to conquer mars?
How many dead to reach the stars?
Saigon Bride (Joan Baez)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbsG30riSro

Posted by: south | Oct 30 2024 4:31 utc | 200