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October 27, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-259

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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Thank you all, but it is really a payback time.
The genocidal entity has failed, see Alistair.
What now,after so much disaster and blood spilled for the rotting western aims whatever.

Posted by: stranger | Oct 28 2024 20:28 utc | 201

see/listen to Prof. Marandi’s 8:22-minute interview with Sky News, at the link
He lays out many things about how ‘the israeli regime’ has acted now for decades… it didn’t all begin on October 7 last year
and the journalist here was pretty good too, she let him speak, she listened, and didn’t interrupt…
https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1850145120022139126
Seyed Mohammad Marandi @s_m_marandi
The Israeli regime didn’t “retaliate.”
It has carried out many acts of aggression against Iran with US support over the years. Cyber-attacks, assassinations, and sabotage are all acts of aggression.
After the bombing of Iran’s embassy, the Islamic Republic began to retaliate.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 28 2024 20:55 utc | 202

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My understanding is that Jared Kushner is leading the staffing effort for a new Administration. NOT True. Jared’s red butt is still sore after Daddy Trump spanked his traitorous azz.
Any naive hopes of Trump reining in American foreign policy are childish, in my opinion. TRUMP IS LESS THAN A SAINT, was persuaded to do some Bolton mistakes, but came out against the stupid Iraq war, dealt with the Republican Parties War Crazies. Call that naive. OK.
Remember, Trump loves that the Americans are looting oil from Syria and Iraq. After mass murdering those peoples, he believes they owe America for the privilege of being colonized (keep the oil policy). I agree, stealing other countries resources is pathetic.
Trump is the consummate American. Like all nations, Americans are a wide variety.
Loud, arrogant, manipulative. True.
Trump is a politician through and through. If he captures the Muslim vote in Michigan he will still supply the bombs to kill Palestinians and Lebanese. Ironically, Lebanese are the main component of Michigan Muslims. TRUMP can persuade Israel, Biden’s full-throated partner cannot.
People who engage in elections are suckers, certainly when they vote for someone who has demonstrated that they are an enemy out of some foolish sense of pragmatism.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 27 2024 18:49 utc | 19
The suckers are the magpies that sit on the sidelines, performing their know-it-all tricks while purporting to be better than the rest of us grunts.
And to your post about the Afterlife. A religious concoction conjured by your “betters” as the answer why you get tithed, diminished and ignored while here on earth, because….there is this angry, all-knowing, all seeing Super Thing who is going to let you have an endless supply of IceCream for eternity. Naturally the price is obedious, without question, and gifts to his purported underlings here on earth. Childish. Silly. Yet spreads like a disease in a Hoorhouse.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 28 2024 20:59 utc | 203

War, politics, and religion.
Not happy campers.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 28 2024 21:11 utc | 204

Prof. Marandi’s 8:22-minute interview with Sky News;
He lays out many things about how ‘the israeli regime’ has acted now for decades.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 28 2024 20:55 utc | 202
Here is more about Israel’s actions, by Joseph Massad:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israeli-atrocities-are-nothing-new-only-novelty-scale
Sub heading:
Israeli war crimes against Arabs are a foundational strategy of the settler-colonial regime that has governed Israel – across the political spectrum – since its establishment

Posted by: JB | Oct 28 2024 21:11 utc | 205

Finally wrote a report dealing with last Saturday’s “Zionists Aborted Attack on Iran” based upon what was known this morning Pacific time. I don’t claim it to contain anything earth shattering, although IMO I do pose the obvious questions to which few if any have answers.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 28 2024 21:18 utc | 206

Current UNSC (live) will not yield condemnation sought by Iran.
Listened to Russia, Guyana & US.
Total dead end. (As expected, but off Iran checklist)
Guessing Iran retaliation to follow this coming up weekend, if not sooner.
Tyre in flames.
Escalation inevitable.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 28 2024 21:20 utc | 207

Israel has voted to ban UNRWA from THEIR territories. Since when has The Gaza or The West Bank become THEIR territories?
The legislation is null and void.

Posted by: Menz | Oct 28 2024 21:23 utc | 208

Guessing it won’t be long, or maybe in coordination with Iran, Russia will let loose in Syria.
Way too many close calls and shenanigans. It’s what USReal wants anyways.
War with Russia in ME, not EU.
All the other nation states are peripheral lemmings as far as USReal is concerned.
TASS
“28 OCT, 14:33
US coalition’s plane flies too close to Russian fighter jet over Mediterranean Sea
Oleg Ignasyuk, deputy chief of the Russian Center for Reconciliation of the Opposing Parties in Syria, also said that two pairs of the coalition’s F-15 (two times each), a pair of F/A-18 fighter jets and an MC-12W surveillance aircraft violated Syria’s airspace eleven times during the day
MOSCOW, October 28. /TASS/. A US-led coalition’s Boeing P-8 Poseidon anti-submarine plane dangerously approached a Russian fighter jet over the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea, Oleg Ignasyuk, deputy chief of the Russian Center for Reconciliation of the Opposing Parties in Syria (a division of the Russian defense ministry), said on Friday.
“A coalition’s Boeing P-8 Poseidon anti-submarine patrol plane dangerously approached a Su-35 plane of the Russian aerospace forces making a planned flight over the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea,” he said, adding that the Russian pilot demonstrated high professionalism and took timely measures to prevent a collision.”
These “violations” are nothing new. But they are getting more frequent & belligerent.
It was obvious from UNSC that Russia was going through the motions, but they are finished with US bs.
US sounded ridiculous, every word uttered a lie, but they could care a less, they just repeat the bs and sit perched.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 28 2024 21:46 utc | 209

Finally wrote a report dealing with last Saturday’s “Zionists Aborted Attack on Iran” based upon what was known this morning Pacific time. I don’t claim it to contain anything earth shattering, although IMO I do pose the obvious questions to which few if any have answers.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 28 2024 21:18 utc | 206
Interesting, still had’t seen anything abut iranian AD painting the f-35s.
Regardless, there is an interesting point I mentioned earlier, and later found a link mentioning, the LORA/ROOK and sparrow boosters.
If they were launched more than 150 kms before the iranian border and not more than 150 kms beyond the border, then reaching (never mind hitting targets in ) tehran would not be possible with standard range. Seems like israek is the only one with air lauched balistic missiles with 800 kms range instead od 400.
As for the SEAD (Suppress Enemy Air Defense) , it seems it wasn’t completely useless (from what i saw i’d say at least an S300 radar was hit) but fell very short of the needed impact, wish I knew how many HARM type warheads were used.
But thanks for the article.
P.S. “since the Zionists can’t get close enough to use gravity bombs, they will need to use their Jerrico ICBM.” as far has i know you can’t take a nuke packaged for a gravity bomb nd just plug it in an IRBM (jericho II)/ICBM (jericho III), so they might be limited to 100 nukes on the short term (maybe 90 II and 10 III)… well that should be enough to threaten the whole of europe and the us and then again maybe particle filters would be good way to catch radioactive diesel particles 😀
P.P.S. Little irony, jericho II was an israeli-iranian joint venture

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 28 2024 22:06 utc | 210

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 28 2024 20:59 utc | 203
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Democracy is an ideology and ideologies are the secular form of religion.
If you think prayer is pointless, I would tell you that voting is the secular version of prayer. Small acts of OBEDIENCE that are expected to yield substantial miracles in the material world. Childlike thinking, indeed.
Have you seen the guy who opened Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally a few days ago? Another Zionist financier (Howard Lutnick) got the crowd fired up about genociding people in a country most MAGA types could not find on a map, “end Jihad”. Lutnick is a pal of the Kushner family.
Trump is a Zionist’s Zionist. America’s big thing is killing brown people to loot their resources and the Donald is no different, “Keep the oil”, Abraham Accords, US embassy to the Palestinian capital of Jerusalem occupied illegally by Zionists.
Trump fans are going to own the genocide if he wins. For the sake of the children being double-tapped by Israeli snipers, I hope he does not.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 28 2024 22:12 utc | 211

TASS
“28 OCT, 14:33
US coalition’s plane flies too close to Russian fighter jet over Mediterranean Sea
Oleg Ignasyuk, deputy chief of the Russian Center for Reconciliation of the Opposing Parties in Syria, also said that two pairs of the coalition’s F-15 (two times each), a pair of F/A-18 fighter jets and an MC-12W surveillance aircraft violated Syria’s airspace eleven times during the day~
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 28 2024 21:46 utc | 209
If you read tass regularly that’s what they call monday, seen as high as 18 lately
RF does not want to shoot them down, I expect a crash or a close call when RF decides to warn the west…
Then the MSM will cry havoc and call RF pilot reckless and maybe , just maybe, they’ll tone down on the joke

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 28 2024 22:13 utc | 212

Zionist soldiers refuse to follow Netanyahu – a report by pro-Zionist Welt Nachrichten
(3 min. video – use english subtitle)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYWsn6kqdUs

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 28 2024 22:26 utc | 213

Newbie | Oct 28 2024 22:06 utc | 210–
Thanks for your reply. You’ll need to listen to Crooke for the F-35 info; again, he provides no specific sources aside from saying they’re Zionist. As for what’s happening in Northern Occupied Palestine, the shear numbers of rockets Hezbollah’s firing must be causing damage despite the paucity of leaked video evidence. What I’ve seen are rather large fires. From what attack info I’ve read, it appears Zionist AD systems are aimed Northward leaving an open vector to the West and South for drone approaches as we saw with the attack on Netanyahu’s house. Hezbollah also seems to have good enough spotter drones that provide the targets for those many missile barrages.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 28 2024 22:38 utc | 214

Trump fans are going to own the genocide if he wins. For the sake of the children being double-tapped by Israeli snipers, I hope he does not.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 28 2024 22:12 utc | 211
I don’t care who wins. Funny you do. You cite Israel as the reason.
Lie. You must not want him to win for some other reason, or you don’t understand the consequences on Palestine if Kamala wins.
I know you know no matter who wins, genocide will go according to plan. Therefore you use the blood of the children you cry about to conceal your true reasons you don’t want Trump to win.
Just be honest about why you don’t like him if you must, but don’t wrap it in the death shrouds of children when you know damn well nothing will change in Israel regardless of who wins.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 28 2024 22:44 utc | 215

Alastair Crooke:
– In spite of Israel claiming success the missile attack was a complete failure. The IDF planned 3 waves of attack but only 1 was executed and even that one attack failed miserably. The IDF wasn’t able to disable iranian airdefenses or the defenses suffered only minor damages. I presume the russians have delivered air defense systems to Iran and these were able to eliminate the first attack.
– Iran has an unknown defense system.
– I assume that the american missiles who require GPS to reach their targets were successfully thrown off their targets by russian GPS jamming and GPS spoofing.
– I think that these miisiles were launched from US aircrafts that are stationed on military bases in Iraq (Kurdistan ??).
– This is another severe blow to the already dented reputation of the military capabilities of NATO, the US and Israel.
Source:
“Judging Freedom: Alastair Crooke : Israel’s Preference For Self-Destruction”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txkNk76E3SI
(I didn’t view the entire video yet).
The video mentions the words “stealth fighter”. That reminded me of this video. Here Pierre Sprey destroys that the F 35 fighter is a good airplane. “It’s a trukey, a cluge” (Is this the right spelling ??).

Posted by: WMG | Oct 28 2024 22:48 utc | 216

Re: RF does not want to shoot them down, I expect a crash or a close call when RF decides to warn the west…
Then the MSM will cry havoc and call RF pilot reckless and maybe , just maybe, they’ll tone down on the joke
Posted by: Newbie | Oct 28 2024 22:13 utc | 212
Agreed. It appears todays episode Russia evaded collision.
But does show US becoming more forceful and Han usual, which will result in some other asymmetrical warfare by Russia on U.S. assets with more frequency & damage.
Let’s face it, this “share space” wasn’t going to go on indefinitely. Getting closer to show down. The wild card:
Turkey.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 28 2024 22:50 utc | 217

Pierre Sprey destroys the concept of a “Stealth Fighter”.
“THE F-35 IS A LEMON PIERRE SPREY (RUNAWAY FIGHTER)”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxDSiwqM2nw
Quote: “The entire notion of “Stealth” is a scam”.
The words “Stealth Fighter” were mentioned in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txkNk76E3SI (See my previous post (# 218) in this thread).

Posted by: WMG | Oct 28 2024 23:08 utc | 218

Posted by: WMG | Oct 28 2024 22:48 utc | 218
Kludge – a clumsy or inelegant solution to a problem. A hack.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 28 2024 23:10 utc | 219

@Bemildred (#221); Thanks !!!!!

Posted by: WMG | Oct 28 2024 23:14 utc | 220

One only has to look up to realize that there are no meteorites or comets that put or will put the human race in danger.
Statistically, beyond countless exterminations and blame attributed to different beings, environments, or manifestations of nature, the only real danger to the human species is the human species.
Could we then conclude that death in or from the air could reach the same level of diversity and massification as any other technical manifestation?
Yes. And also, no, since flying is an activity that does not belong to us naturally, so all its development, design and maintenance immediately exceeds an allocation and consumption of resources that is equitable and in accordance with its required potential.
Flying is expensive! Very expensive!!
And there we have these bombers, flying fortresses with a supposedly tireless power of destruction, of course, as long as they are in the air, working, and returning to their bases…
Of course, in an open war between more or less balanced contenders, that doesn’t happen so often: some planes fall, others explode in the air, and many others are swallowed up by the immense and calm sea, indifferent to flags and models.
With the planes, crews and pilots are lost who took decades to train and specialize to levels adequate to the objectives of their mission. The same can be said of those who are dedicated to refueling in flight, transporting troops and equipment, combat, reconnaissance or those hummingbirds that peck at enemy trenches.
Right now, there are hundreds of planes that could be shot down, but nobody wants to escalate the battle before time. It is not necessary to open the sky yet…
When the first gliders took to the air, the surprise of flying was comparable to their ease of construction, since they were nothing more than frames of fabric and reeds, which improved their design as they crashed into the ground.
This whole process shared by its initiators was quite expensive, but accessible to any industrial apprentice with a little time: let’s say that by selling a cow or a horse they could almost build an airplane… Not today.
Nowadays, to manufacture a fifth or sixth generation airplane, that same enthusiast would have to sell entire herds, fifty or one hundred thousand animals to assemble a latest model that will become obsolete before entering combat.
There is not enough grass, there is not enough planet, no matter what the expense is translated into. That, as the crow flies, flying over the same fields that feed the war industry.
However, if we raise our sight from the ground, we can see that the ways and means of shooting down a flying object or aircraft are so varied that the equation multiplies again, and a device worth a hundred million Eurodollars can be reduced to zero with an investment one thousand or ten thousand times smaller…
The industry is not enough, not anymore, nor would there be enough time to replace the losses or train new pilots: the powers, and everyone else, avoid open war simply because they could not assume the cost of arming and rearming themselves with technologies that incorporate thousands of systems at once only to lose them in weeks and start over.
This would imply the loss of economic sovereignty already halfway, in the hands of those who invented the financial system, which in its voracity can translate entire countries and their most precious resources into money and then money into countries again.
It is not possible: the territory we own or to conquer is no longer enough to pay the world usurers who created interest and debt, two of the most formidable and effective modern weapons.
Then, just as the dinosaurs became extinct, the aircraft carriers will become extinct. In their own ports, perhaps. And the whole race for air supremacy will be forgotten before the first year of conflict.
Like everything, the sustainability that our devastated planet no longer asks for, but rather imposes by force, will promote the use of small drones and quadcopters of half a kilo, flying and/or loitering bombs, and small unmanned aircraft, which are easy to replace. Their relatively low cost in materials and industrialization infrastructure will allow them to have the same effect (strategic-intensive-punctual damage) without ceasing to be mass-produced and cheap, which dilutes their vulnerability.
Because, given the current insolvency of empires, it is a war of costs: Is the missile cheaper than the flying machine? Is the small drone cheaper than the missile?
There is no way to beat mathematics, and the maintenance budget alone becomes infinite in hangars and take-off platforms, leading to “savings” that multiply accidents and losses even in times of “peace.” And for what? So that this wonderful technology of invisibility and countermeasures has no advantage or meaning after a hundred hours of flight?
The airplane, and the air battle as we know it, will cease to exist in the first war that directly confronts the big and well-armed players.
Of course, the helicopter, which even with its squat, fly-like silhouette, offers other logistical solutions and benefits, will also have to evolve to compensate for its slowness, visibility and low flight height.
They will have to evolve and renew themselves, although until the ambulance drones for one person have been designed and tested, they will remain irreplaceable in critical aspects such as accelerated or intensive penetration of the front, evacuation of the wounded and the transport of personnel in disputed, complicated and hot terrain…
And the paratroopers? (like me) would be of some strategic use if we were in the 50s, but currently, the possibility that large groups of people without firepower have the possibility of changing anything in the rearguard of hybrid fronts in an overpopulated and overarmed world is minimal or non-existent, although elite commandos could jump to carry out specific missions and then try to survive.
But of course, companies continue to make billions selling “invisible” planes that are theoretically well tested in completely asymmetric wars or targeted attacks against ridiculously inconsequential targets with which empires and their cronies defeat their own economy: the only invisible plane is the one that doesn’t take off. Or better yet, the one that isn’t even built!
Beyond everything, the old dream of flying will always remain attractive! So maybe all this doesn’t even matter!!

Posted by: Santi | Oct 28 2024 23:24 utc | 221

The “punking” of Joe Biden and Antony Blinken is now complete. Netanyahu announced that there would be no more cease-fire talks on Gaza or Lebanon until after the US election.
Punked!!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 28 2024 23:34 utc | 222

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 28 2024 21:18 utc | 206
Thanks Karl, nice exposition. I have seen now half-a-dozen versions of that scenario: three planned waves, aborted after 1st failed. This fleshes it out. We know a little bit more about Iran’s AD.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 28 2024 23:34 utc | 223

Posted by: WMG | Oct 28 2024 22:48 utc | 218 “In spite of Israel claiming success the missile attack was a complete failure.”
Needless to say others disagree. Me? Given the pictures and video or two it seems it certainly had some success.

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 28 2024 23:36 utc | 224

This evening I had to listen to BBC 3’s cultural programme in somebody else’s car. The speaker was Phil Hebblethwaite, although he might just as well have been Herman Hesse.
After blathering a long time about classical music he turned to post war , post Nazi music which he termed more radical. Radical is the slogan Thatcher used for her right wing US- style policies.
The BBC propaganda was associating NAZI Netanyahu’s genocide in Palestine with trendy, modern , radical Nazi music.
Art is sacred, and the cloned heifers are sacred, and unharmonious screechings on the BBC are sacred.
I stopped listening to the BBC at the start of the SMO. I’m so glad I was able to listen. Sarcasm warning.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 28 2024 23:38 utc | 225

Houthis Showed New Doomsday Torpedo Drone
https://southfront.press/houthis-showed-new-doomsday-torpedo-drone/
The Houthis test launched the new underwater drone of their own design. The footage showed the kamikaze drone successfully destroyed the target.
It was given the name of Al-Qaria, which can be translated like “doomsday”.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 28 2024 23:45 utc | 226

In North America, it is true that the settlers pushed the indigenous out, but there was a huge continent seemingly available for the indigenous to inhabit. Of course it was far more complicated, but that was the perception. Hence I don’t think the aim was to exterminate the natives, but to push them away, ever farther west. Of course that could go on only so long, and also created new tensions between various groups.
In Palestine the Zionists pushed the Palestinians into available “extra” space (Jordan, Egypt) as long as they could, but it was obvious that the spatial limitations would relatively rapidly result in the Zionists killing the Palestinians outright.
Posted by: Jane | Oct 28 2024 19:02 utc | 188

Apologetics for European colonialism and genocide.
If the tables had been turned and it was the natives of North America who had invaded and subjugated Europe, I dare say you might now take a different view of the merits settler colonialism and would not be engaging in what Karl Marx referred to as ‘the bad faith and evil intent of apologetics’ in relation to the subject.
It is not for nothing that the regime that sought lebensraum across Eastern Europe took inspiration from the crimes of the British Empire and its North American progeny. See James Whitman, Hitler’s American Model: The United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law, Princeton University Press, 2017.
Nor is it for nothing that Amie Cesaire in his Discourse on Colonialism noted that the outrage expressed by Europe and North America at the crimes committed against Europe in 1939-45 were entirely hypocritical, since these crimes merely amounted to taking the principles and methods that Europe had for centuries meted out to the colonial peoples and applying them to Europe herself.

Posted by: Lengai | Oct 28 2024 23:50 utc | 227

You’d be wise to to give up on commenting on the ME, you evidently understand nothing about the culture of the region, and wish to impose your foreign values on the people there. You can’t understand things that way.
Posted by: laguerre | Oct 28 2024 16:57 utc | 176
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There are many things about the ME that I don’t know, but I do know what an extreme medieval cult looks like. I know it in the West as well as in the East. And with, or without, your permission I will continue to call them out for what they are.
Such behavior by cults like the Taliban, and the tribes that constituted the Mujahideen, is not necessary in the Islamic world today. I notice that the Palestinians do not behave like dogs before their women, why is it necessary in places like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia? Are you defending this shit?

Posted by: Ed | Oct 28 2024 23:55 utc | 228

Trump gravitates towards negotiation, a form of Diplomacy, not acquiescence.
Posted by: kupkee | Oct 28 2024 22:42 utc | 215
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Remember when Trump negotiated with Soleimani?
Remember when Trump gave Zelensky Javelins that were used to kill Russians in the Donbass?
Remember how China treated Trump like a visiting King, and then he tried to wreck the legal (and long awaited) transfer of Hong Kong back to the mainland?
The rest of the world does.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 0:06 utc | 229

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 28 2024 21:18 utc | 206
Thank you, the demotion of F-35s is a game changer.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 29 2024 0:09 utc | 230

Posted by: Jane | Oct 28 2024 19:02 utc | 188
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Disgusting comment. Truly.
It was never your continent. Americans took it through deception, murder, and manipulation.
I don’t dislike every American.
I dislike the Americans who know better than to sing the songs of American greatness when confronted with how their nation slaughtered and raped indigenous people while forcing imported slaves to build that stolen nation.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 0:10 utc | 231

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 28 2024 23:36 utc | 226
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Do you post from Israel or are you stationed in the West?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 0:11 utc | 232

Israeli tech companies complaining about lack of flights. I did not realize that the big carriers stopped flights. And all this with directly targeting the airports…
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/b1diwt3e1e

Posted by: je | Oct 29 2024 0:12 utc | 233

Lenghai 228
” Nor is it for nothing that Amie Cesaire in his Discourse on Colonialism noted that the outrage expressed by Europe and North America at the crimes committed against Europe in 1939-45 were entirely hypocritical, since these crimes merely amounted to taking the principles and methods that Europe had for centuries meted out to the colonial peoples and applying then to Europe herself . ”
On the contrary , Britain immediately understood the karma and reformed both its domestic and foreign policy. The US deliberately selected the Nazis who taught the old European colonial countries a lesson , and nurtured them as Neocons, to use as tools of control over Europe as in Nordstream and the present European blind support for USUKIS genocide in Palestine.
Europe learnt the lesson in WW2, that the US is learning only now, that two can play at that game. The US is being thrashed and humiliated, and it’s marvellous to witness their hypocrisy getting punctured like a flat tyre.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 29 2024 0:18 utc | 234

I presume the russians have delivered air defense systems to Iran and these were able to eliminate the first attack.
Posted by: WMG | Oct 28 2024 22:48 utc | 218

Russia has delivered some S300 systems to Iran. Contrary to what many claim in this forum, Russia has not delivered S400 to Iran despite the fact Iran was interested to buy some S400 (to diversify it’s defense)
… the delivery of S300 took toooooo long, so what Iran did was developing of own systems like Bavar 373 and Khordad 15 systems. Current version of Bavar 373 is clearly outperforming S300 systems, it is disputed if they also outperform S400 systems. (must be hard to digest for some among us. how can an Iranian defense system be better then what Putin have in his arsenal “?!!!”) anyway …
I think most of us agree that Golden Horizon and Rocks missiles used to attack Iran are more sophisticated then Himars M142 and M270 used by Ukraine against Russia. That should give a measure for comparison.
I have listened to people like A. Crook, S. Ritter, A. Martyanov and L. C. Johnson all claiming that Iran has been eneabled to defend himself by some Russian defense system but they don’t mention exactly what system they are talking about.
A healthy mind would conclude that Russians are not going to provide any other country with their secret and
top of the edge technology, so the question remain why these people don’t tell us which non-secret Russian systems were available to Iran that demonstrated such awesome AD capabilities. I mean, mentioning the name of these systems are good PR for Russia, don’t you think so?

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 29 2024 0:23 utc | 235

Ed 229
The medieval cult is yours. I just went to an Orthodox Christian wedding. It was pure, medieval garbage, preserved in aspic for over 1000 years .

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 29 2024 0:29 utc | 236

Disgusting comment. Truly.
It was never your continent. Americans took it through deception, murder, and manipulation.
I don’t dislike every American.
I dislike the Americans who know better than to sing the songs of American greatness when confronted with how their nation slaughtered and raped indigenous people while forcing imported slaves to build that stolen nation.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 0:10 utc | 232
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It’s also the true reason for 1776, the British crown was restricting “settlement” to the west. Due to trade & diplomatic dealings, with settled indigenous confederations. Opposition to outright chattel slavery was also mounting.
George Washington was a slave-owning land speculator in his youth, who purchased “rights” to native land.
The reason the regular US army was even founded was to facilitate genocide & displacement. In order to further enrich a corrupt clique, when the “well-regulated militas” failed to do the job on two or three attempts.
Good luck finding all *that* in a history book. Even though contemporary private papers & official records, back it up…

Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 29 2024 0:45 utc | 237

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 28 2024 21:18 utc | 206
Thank you, karlof1. Your link to the earlier Crooke article provided me with the reasoning put forward concerning the enigmatic suggestions Israel was makng about their upcoming attack. I referenced that on an open forum with respect to comments by Mercouris that Biden had been very annoyed when ‘decapitation’ was no longer considered. So, somewhat of a loose end there was woven in for me, that Crooke had put it in his article. If indeed we escaped that scenario, it would to me have the same significance as the Kennedy October missile crisis solution did back in the day.
Mercouris gave credit to Iran’s participation in the BRICS meetings. Much more was going on those two days than probably we will ever know. You did a great job filling us in as you were able.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 29 2024 0:45 utc | 238

Framarz 235
Indeed it does look as though USUKIS and Iran are shadow boxing in order to create some illusion of emnity,

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 29 2024 0:49 utc | 239

On some planet in the universe this Reuters posting title makes sense
Israel wants more peace deals with Arab countries after war, Netanyahu says
He be smoking some heavy shit….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2024 1:05 utc | 240

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 29 2024 0:23 utc | 235
I have no reason to think that Iran is unable to develop air defence systems all on its own. They have fine scientists and mathematicians, and after the Shah, they have no illusions about the West.
And they think long term. I would love to read a biography of Soleimani, but I can’t find one.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 29 2024 1:11 utc | 241

Posted by: Ed | Oct 28 2024 23:55 utc | 229
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As you don’t believe in an afterlife, trying to understand Islam will be problematic because it is fundamental to what motivates Muslims of all sorts. Shia, Sunni, Palestinian, Lebanese, Yemeni, etc.
Your childhood experiences with Christianity have little utility when it comes to Islam. Christianity is like learning to ride a bicycle and Islam is like learning to fly a plane.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 1:18 utc | 242

I have listened to people like A. Crook, S. Ritter, A. Martyanov and L. C. Johnson all claiming that Iran has been eneabled to defend himself by some Russian defense system but they don’t mention exactly what system they are talking about.
A healthy mind would conclude that Russians are not going to provide any other country with their secret and
top of the edge technology, so the question remains why these people don’t tell us which non-secret Russian systems were available to Iran that demonstrated such awesome AD capabilities. I mean, mentioning the name of these systems are good PR for Russia, don’t you think so?
Posted by: Framarz | Oct 29 2024 0:23 utc | 235
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Hummm. It seems to me that Russia sold some S400 missiles to Turkey, a NATO nation for God’s sake. Surely, Putin would help a strategic partner like Iran?
“Two years ago (2017-Ed), Turkey declared it would buy Russia’s S-400 missile defense system because the United States had dragged its feet in selling an American alternative.
But the deal, worth about $2 billion and consummated this week, has consequences far beyond the cost to Ankara’s defense budget.
It calls into question the decades-long strategic relationship between Turkey and the US, and even Turkey’s credentials as a NATO member. It probably nullifies a massive contract for Turkey to buy US F-35 combat aircraft – a plane the S-400 is designed to shoot down.”
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/europe/turkey-russia-missiles-nato-analysis-intl/index.html

Posted by: Ed | Oct 29 2024 1:21 utc | 243

Christianity is like learning to ride a bicycle and Islam is like learning to fly a plane.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 1:18 utc | 240
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Thank you, Donbass, that was very descriptive, I will remember it.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 29 2024 1:25 utc | 244

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2024 1:05 utc | 238
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Bibi is waiting for Trump to win and set things right for him. Trump will keep him out of jail (Trump is one of the most popular men in Israel), and Trump will negotiate with the Arab states to create a trade corridor with India which is intended to ruin the Belt and Road initiative of China by limiting port access and key trade partners.
The Indian trade corridor (competing with China) was the direction the Abraham Accords were heading before Trump had his re-election “stolen”. Hopefully, he blows it again, and Obama can steal another election to get his 4th term because Trump is competent enough to save the Zionists and will happily go to war with Iran, which means war with China and Russia as well.
I am hoping that the genocide has changed the world enough that Jordan, the UAE, and KSA cannot dream of becoming overt treaty trade partners with the Zionist state due to pressure inside of the Muslim Ummah.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 1:31 utc | 245

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 29 2024 0:23 utc | 235
I have no reason to think that Iran is unable to develop air defence systems all on its own. They have fine scientists and mathematicians, and after the Shah, they have no illusions about the West.
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Posted by: JAB | Oct 29 2024 1:11 utc | 239
I would think it more likely that Russia would license Iran to make their own version of S-400. In any case, this latest Israeli “attack” would seem to indicate that Iran does not need the Russian S-400.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 29 2024 1:33 utc | 246

We are told “The Boston Tea Party” European colonist participants dressed as Americans. Did they do it to frame Americans? Did they hope to persuade their king to agree to their aggression plans?
Is the Boston Tea Party one of the first notable FF events in USA history?
Been on my mind. Maybe you can answer.
Posted by: I forgot | Oct 29 2024 1:26 utc | 243
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You meant to say that they were dressed like First Nation people. Nevertheless, I was told that the Tea Party dressed like First Nation people to hide their identity from pro-English dock workers and security guards. It sounded weak to me.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 29 2024 1:35 utc | 247

@ LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 1:31 utc | 244 with the follow up…thanks
To your last point I just read a piece at The Cradle
https://thecradle.co/articles/israel-must-defeat-hamas-arab-leaders-told-blinken-days-after-7-oct-report
It certainly looks like the ME leadership is as corrupt as that in the West

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2024 1:38 utc | 248

Correction about A-Bomb deployment misconceptions in this thread.
The main attribute of ALL types of A-Bombs, from Uranium gun-barrel types to H-Bombs, is an initial flash of millions of degrees upon detonation. This flash consumes any and all organic material exposed to the flash.
If an A-Bomb detonates at ground level its radius of destruction is greatly reduced due to the shielding effect of nearby infrastructure and also much of the blast-wave is directed upwards.
Detonation at an altitude of several+ hundred feet causes maximum destruction from blast wave and initial flash.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 29 2024 1:39 utc | 249

@248
Atom/h bombs release energy in a sphere expanding out. If half the sphere is into the earth…. Lose energy to earth but blast a lot more radioactive debris.
Air bursts are nearly peaceful, less violent nukes…..

Posted by: paddy | Oct 29 2024 2:06 utc | 250

Apologetics for European colonialism and genocide.
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Ya dah ya dah.
Some people think time doesn’t exist, has no meaning, and all events occur in an eternal present.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 29 2024 2:13 utc | 251

English Outsider @ 127
Many here at MoA agree with your comment, the loss of moral values by the ach so zivilizierte Welt, it is totally out of character of this civilized West, to provide thugs, criminals with means to burn children, to provide means to smash them into pulp, to kill them with bullet to head or chest, to roll over them with tanks – as attested by physicians who saw these atrocities, for this “West” to have any values.
The talk about “our values”, our world of rules based order, not international laws – and the silence of the religious leaders – it all seems so grotesque, unreal, that the WW2 came and went and nothing was learned, the victims of persecution doing the extermination of others, what would Hanna Arendt, what would Martin Buber, or Albert Einstein say if they would witness this?

Posted by: fanto | Oct 29 2024 2:24 utc | 252

And they think long term. I would love to read a biography of Soleimani, but I can’t find one.
Posted by: JAB | Oct 29 2024 1:11 utc | 239

You can copy paste the following in your search engine and then machine translate some of the results
زندگینامه سپهبد سلیمانی
If he wasn’t a “bad guy”, you would be able to watch a Hollywood blockbuster picturing his life. Some of the operations under his command were more exciting then “Mission Impossible” movies.
A true patriot, clever strategist, fearless tactician (always insisting to be close to the front line) , from a worker family, who had a natural talent to win trust and respect among regular people in different parts of the West Asian region.

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 29 2024 2:31 utc | 253

To go with all the discussion about Irans Home grown AD systems.
Below is a list and description of Iran’s newest systems. Perhaps Israel should have read this before launching their failed attack.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240805/just-in-time-to-repulse-aggression-meet-irans-brand-new-air-and-missile-defense-systems-1119647754.html
Apparently Israel drinks double shots of their own Koolaid.
“As tensions in the region mount, the true capabilities of Iran’s air defenses may soon be tested. While Tehran publicly projects confidence in its ability to secure its skies, the realities of geography and technology suggest that the Iranians are highly vulnerable to an Israeli or US assault.”
https://israelradar.com/analysis-can-irans-air-defenses-stop-israeli-air-force/

Posted by: golddigger | Oct 29 2024 2:33 utc | 254

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 28 2024 21:18 utc | 206
Thanks for the article Karl. Good to see you are keeping on top of this.
Here is a question that I can’t find an answer for: where will all the zionist – and I don’t mean just the ones in the entity – go/do when there is no Zion, and that moment is approaching?
As for nuclear bombs – there are a few things one cannot kill.
One cannot kill an idea.
One cannot kill a dream.
One cannot kill a civilization.
One cannot and will not kill the desire and the will to resist. As long as there is one person – one – that will resist, the whole edifice of nukes is rendered moot.
One cannot kill One’s way to victory

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 29 2024 2:36 utc | 255

‘Special Intent to Commit Genocide’ – South Africa Files Memorial in ICJ Case against Israel
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/special-intent-to-commit-genocide-south-africa-files-memorial-in-icj-case-against-israel/

Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2024 2:57 utc | 256

Two Massive Balls of Fire – Resistance Roundup – Day 388

The video was brief. It simply showed how a resistance fighter was putting the final touches on a Shuath explosive device somewhere east of the Jabaliya refugee camp.
Then, an Israeli Merkava tank made its way through the rubble of the destroyed area. With a press of a button, the tank was torn into shreds, with hundreds of pieces flying in every possible direction.
At one point, the video freezes, the point when the explosion was at its zenith. The image shows two massive balls of fire, one originating from the front, the other from the back.
While one was certainly the fuel tank of the Merkava, the other may have indicated that the tank was carrying a shipment of explosives, which was detonated by the Shuath device.
As for the Shuath itself, military experts have noticed that the explosive power of devices used by the Palestinian Resistance has increased dramatically in recent weeks. The reason behind it, the main theory goes, is that the Resistance is repurposing the unexploded ordnances used by the Israeli army in its ongoing genocide in the Strip.
Below are the latest statements Momdaby the two main Resistance forces in Gaza, and the Lebanese Resistance Movement Hezbollah. ….

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/two-massive-balls-of-fire-resistance-roundup-day-388/
Merkava Tally as of Monday night local time
246 destroyed (added 1)
687approx damage (unchanged)

Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2024 3:05 utc | 257

test..

Posted by: james | Oct 29 2024 3:10 utc | 258

Re: The Day After
1) War crimes trials of the genociders and the enablers of genocide will need to be epic. This would include figures such as Rob Lauder and a couple of English Prime Ministers. Under the Julius Streicher precedent, certain publishers would need to also be tried for for crimes. Asset Seizures.
2) A massive and far reaching re-education program will be necessary in many counties.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2024 3:16 utc | 259

Oops errata :
Merkava Tally as of Monday night local time
247destroyed (added 1)
687approx damage (unchanged)

Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2024 3:23 utc | 260

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2024 1:38 utc | 247
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A large part of why being a believer resonates with me is that I do not trust humans.
Knowing my own limitations and failings as a man, it is difficult for me to believe that any politician is going to create a Utopia or solve significant problems. The way people in America fan-boy over politicians is repulsive to me.
Where there is power (material, social, spiritual, etc) corruption will be attracted.
Muslims were warned that a time of weak leaders in the Ummah (the nation of all Muslims everywhere) would come.
None of what has happened, is happening, or is yet to come, is much of a surprise really.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 3:45 utc | 261

Posted by: Jane | Oct 29 2024 2:13 utc | 250
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What does time have to do with you rationalizing colonialism, which necessitated genocide and theft?
It would have been evil and stupid yesterday, as it is today and will be tomorrow.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 3:50 utc | 262

RE:
I have listened to people like A. Crook, S. Ritter, A. Martyanov and L. C. Johnson all claiming that Iran has been eneabled to defend himself by some Russian defense system but they don’t mention exactly what system they are talking about.
A healthy mind would conclude that Russians are not going to provide any other country with their secret and
top of the edge technology, so the question remain why these people don’t tell us which non-secret Russian systems were available to Iran that demonstrated such awesome AD capabilities. I mean, mentioning the name of these systems are good PR for Russia, don’t you think so?
Posted by: Framarz | Oct 29 2024 0:23 utc | 235
The answer, or at least part of it, seems obvious. According to various reports, Russia provided the Murmansk electronic warfare system to Iran. This has been mentioned for months.
https://armyrecognition.com/military-products/army/electronic-warfare/murmansk-bn-electronic-warfare-communications-jamming-system-data?highlight=WyJydXNzaWEiXQ%3D%3D
Per the linked article, “According to Russian military sources, it can jam communication systems with a range from 5,000 to 8,000 km. On August 3, 2024, it was announced that Iran installed several Russian long-range electronic warfare systems, including the Murmansk-BN, in strategic locations across the country.”
It seems likely that this is the “unknown” system mentioned by Alistair Crooke and others. Of course, there may be some other system, as yet unknown to the public, that was used as well. But based on the general specifications mentioned for the Murmansk system, it’s very powerful and operates at extremely long ranges. The exact capabilities of this system aren’t clear. Publicly stated capabilities are often understated as a matter of hiding the true capabilities of any system.
Here is an additional quote from the article cited above.
“Citing information from Russian sources, onboard systems of F-35 fighter aircraft of the US Air Force came out of order due to the interference created by Murmansk-BN electronic warfare systems. US stealth fighters experience frequent failures of their avionic equipment over the Black and Baltic Seas. Electronic warfare interference systems of the Russian Armed Forces start showing a noticeable impact on US Air Force stealth fighters.”
In addition to the publicly stated capabilities of Murmansk, there may be additional functionality that is unknown. As far as I am aware, there are no reports of this system being used in Ukraine. (Although it would seem likely it has been used there as well.)
Now imagine that the advance flight of fighters with the SEAD mission suddenly find all their avionics go out. Do they continue, flying blindly? Or do they expend all ordnance in panic, turn tail and run, and tell their base to forget about the alleged second and third strike packages?

Posted by: Outrage Beyond | Oct 29 2024 4:07 utc | 263

Thanks for the replies. A Gym visitor noted the F-35’s been flying around Lebanon and Syria for several years that would enable Russia and Iran to discover how to see it. That secret is now out of the bag
Is Zion a real idea or is it pseudo? My world goes with me wherever I go. I don’t need to go elsewhere to be with myself and be happy. Living and examining my priceless life is what matters for me. I don’t need a mythic place. Where do people needing a mythical place go? My wife carries hers in her head and that seems to work for her. Gotta find a new comfort zone if you’re displaced, and that might mean changing yourself, and that can be scary.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 29 2024 4:11 utc | 264

Outrage Beyond | Oct 29 2024 4:07 utc | 262–
Quite well stated. Avionics going mad would be just as effective as the radar lock warning screaming. “The Matrix” video clip Larry Johnson employed in his article on the attack was just an excellent depiction.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 29 2024 4:20 utc | 265

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 28 2024 22:44 utc | 217
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You’re right. I don’t like Trump. I don’t like Biden. I don’t like Kamala, I don’t like any politician.
Trump is just a man. He eats, sleeps, and shits like every other man. He has no unique characteristics that make him a better man than Putin or Sinwar.
At least both of those men have/had honor.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 4:32 utc | 266

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 29 2024 4:11 utc | 263
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It is tricky to explain spiritualism to people who deny that they have a spirit and see the universe as an endless series of propitious coincidences that are so mathematically improbable that they have to be considered impossible.
What you consider mythical may be (is, in my opinion) a realm of existence beyond our material senses, not too different from a spectrum of light your eyes don’t register.
Since you cannot see infrared with your naked eye, does it not exist? Likewise, with frequencies your ears cannot perceive.
A strictly materialist view is loaded with obvious contradictions.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 4:44 utc | 267

MADE IN ISRAEL/ DESIGNED IN ISRAEL
yeah like booby trapped pagers. someone did not think that through.
what a gift to BDS..

Posted by: rosross | Oct 29 2024 4:45 utc | 268

“Many of you have seen the pictures of these beautiful birds of heaven, massacred last night in Khanyounis by Israel with our American weapons and tax dollars.
They were my cousins from my mother’s side. Don’t you dare talk to me about Kamala Harris or blame us for her loss.”
https://x.com/gazamom/status/1849907000647483538

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 29 2024 5:01 utc | 269

“Today Minister Champagne made light of horrors in Gaza, mocking my request for comment on Israel’s holocaust.
As foreign minister, Champagne sent a letter to the International Criminal Court threatening to cut Canadian funding if the ICC continued investigating Israel’s crimes.”
https://EnglerYves/status/1851087111908393199
Francois-Philippe.Champagne@parl.gc.ca

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 29 2024 5:17 utc | 270

@lengai
You said: In this respect, the settler entity in Palestine is attempting to reproduce in Palestine the history of Australia,
this is too commonly said by those who should know better and it is a lie. The colonisation of Australia which began in 1788 never had policy or practice of genocide. Quite the opposite.
That is not to say there were not instances of violence but the policy, as written in the orders of the FIRST FLEET, was to befriend, learn from and assist the peoples living there.
To conflate Israel with Australia, the US and Canada is to ignore the facts. and to ignore context. North American colonisation began in the early 16th century, Australia in the late 18th century and Israel in the 20th and 21st centuries. It is dishonest to retrofit values to the past.
https://roslynross.substack.com/p/all-colonisations-are-not-equal..

Posted by: rosross | Oct 29 2024 5:21 utc | 271

CJPME: Expel Israel From The UN
https://x.com/mbueckert/status/1851011486006841673
“…The Israeli Knesset is currently adopting two far-reaching laws that seek to block the UN aid agency for Palestine refugees (UNRWA) from operating in Israel and the occupied territories.
Such laws, if both are passed and fully implemented, will have a devastating impact on Palestinians already facing genocide.
CJPME believes that this attempt to dismantle a critical UN humanitarian institution amounts to [yet another] appalling violation of the UN Charter and should serve as grounds for Israel’s expulsion from the UN…”
sgcentral@un.org

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 29 2024 5:41 utc | 272

Posted by: rosross | Oct 29 2024 5:21 utc | 270
These kinds of arguments are usually made by white australians.
The white man always has an excuse for colonisation, ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Some rationalisation.
Some sophistry.
Some clever intellectual weaseling.
Just watch them for a while. Same pattern of behaviour over and over again.
Sometimes think it’s genetic …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2024 5:51 utc | 273

After Trump ordered the assassination of General Soleimani, an Iranian cleric complained that Iran can’t even really retaliate because the US doesn’t have any real heroes of its own like Soleimani, saying “Think about it. Are we supposed to take out Spider-Man and SpongeBob?”
I’ve never seen a more incisive and withering critique of western culture, and I probably never will. It’s such an accurate statement and paints such a clear picture of what this civilization is really like that it’s hard to imagine how anyone could possibly top it.

From Caitlin Johnstone on Twitter as part of a much larger and comprehensive critique of the West that she wrote.
*link*

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 29 2024 5:53 utc | 274

Genocide As Colonial Erasure
https://x.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1851009376510673233
“Report of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967. – Francesca Albanese
Should be sent to all supposed ‘representatives.’

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 29 2024 6:00 utc | 275

The talk about “our values”, our world of rules based order, not international laws – and the silence of the religious leaders – it all seems so grotesque, unreal, that the WW2 came and went and nothing was learned, the victims of persecution doing the extermination of others, what would Hanna Arendt, what would Martin Buber, or Albert Einstein say if they would witness this?
Posted by: fanto | Oct 29 2024 2:24 utc | 251
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Of course something was learned! Namely, that one can genocide again and again.
As for bedmates of the odious gibberish factory Heidegger, greeting-card “philosophers”, and WMD inventors, I have little interest in what they have to say.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 29 2024 6:24 utc | 276

@ Lengai | Oct 28 2024 23:50 utc | 228 and others
Jane seems unaware that there wasa long tradition of calls for the outright extermination of the native populations of what is now the USA. I’ve posted before that there is (or at least was the last time I visited) a framed copy of a local newspaper from the 1930s in the Hotel Boulderado advocating their extermination on the grounds that they were incapable of living in civilization. The 1930s!

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 29 2024 6:29 utc | 277

CJPME: Expel Israel From The UN
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Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East? Must be hundreds of them…

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 29 2024 6:35 utc | 278

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 29 2024 0:23 utc | 235
I think what we saw happen over Tehran was AAA fire. Frighteningly good AAA. Like that might be the first time ever AAA hit something going over Mach 3.
If they have come up with AAA able to do what we saw happen it is a major advance in area denial.

Posted by: Badjoke | Oct 29 2024 6:47 utc | 279

Re: Russian Radar and ECM ?
Why does anyone think the Iranians do not have the capability to develop their own home grown systems ?
The Iranians have their own space program – with a few satellites orbiting the earth. They make their own hyper-sonic missiles. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2024 7:26 utc | 280

Posted by: Outrage Beyond | Oct 29 2024 4:07 utc | 264 “According to Russian military sources, it can jam communication systems with a range from 5,000 to 8,000 km.”
Odd that the numerous civilian aircraft flying in the area at the time of the Israeli strike did not report any problems with their avionics systems. In fact, we know that the civilian aircraft where there because their avionics systems worked as they normally do.

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 29 2024 7:28 utc | 281

Ed4,
Do you think it was a noob mistake for the Likud to bomb Syria etc. all these years; revealing IAF codes, electronic signatures, and methods ?

Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2024 7:34 utc | 282

Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2024 7:34 utc | 286 “Do you think it was a noob mistake for the Likud to bomb Syria etc. all these years; revealing IAF codes, electronic signatures, and methods ?”
Seems like they have been doing it and getting away with it for a decade or two in Syria. So definitely not noob.
Codes get changed, but I guess the electric signature of an F-16 that bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981 or the F-15s that bombed the Syrian nuclear reactor in 2007 are pretty much the same as the ones that have been flying through Syria in 2024? Or have the ECM gear changed it over time? As to methods, how much have they used those ALBMs in the past?
The constant in the background is the Soviet Union (aka Russia now) should have been collecting all that information and passing it to their allies. That doesn’t seem to have helped Syria much. It didn’t seem to help Iraq much. How much it helped Iran we have yet to see.

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 29 2024 7:48 utc | 283

Re unknown defense system
Word is Iran has Resonance-N radar, which can detect, but not lock on to, “stealth” aircraft. Probably enough to point the S300/400 analogue in the correct direction.
Sorry don’t remember the source.

Posted by: necromancer | Oct 29 2024 7:52 utc | 284

@ Exile | Oct 29 2024 7:55 utc | 290
What you say about Wikipedia is of course true; however, some positive evidence that the “Israeli” “Defence” Forces were directly involved in the massacres would seem to be in order.
Anyway let’s not dismiss out of hand the agency and the viciousness of organized Lebanese Christendom.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 29 2024 8:03 utc | 285

Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2024 7:55 utc | 290 “Citing Wikipedia doesn’t help one’s credibility”
How about aljazeera?
“Israeli-backed Phalange militia killed between 2,000 and 3,500 Palestinian refugees and Lebanese civilians in two days”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/16/sabra-and-shatila-massacre-40-years-on-explainer

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 29 2024 8:28 utc | 286

Per the linked article, “According to Russian military sources, it can jam communication systems with a range from 5,000 to 8,000 km. On August 3, 2024, it was announced that Iran installed several Russian long-range electronic warfare systems, including the Murmansk-BN, in strategic locations across the country.”
Posted by: Outrage Beyond | Oct 29 2024 4:07 utc | 264

I was into that in a previous Palestine thread when Indian punchline published the claim about Murmansk-BN deployment in Iran.
I was the first one here to tell you that Russia never gave those SU35 and S400 to Iran while everyone were insisting the opposite, now you come and tell me they have deployed a game-changer toy (allegedly) just like that in a country which is world champion in reverse-engineering of military toys?
Ask yourself the simple question, why should the Temporary Zionist regime send fighters in direction Iran if they knew (like you) that there are Murmansk-BN equipment on the ground confronting their fighters?
My 2 cents, they thought backbone of Iran AD is S300 and designed a operation far too complex for S300 to handle and then they got a Mohammad-Ali-Kelly punch in the face by Mr. Bavar373. This confirms that Iran’s best card in a battle against the Temporary Zionist regime is the obvious “Superiority Complex” among Zionists.
Come with some better fairy tale, my friend.

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 29 2024 9:19 utc | 287

yeah like booby trapped pagers. someone did not think that through.
what a gift to BDS..
Posted by: rosross | Oct 29 2024 4:45 utc | 268

Indeed. Moscow and Beijing would be very dumb if they don’t forbid iphone/android devices and whatsapp/instagram/X platforms in their countries.

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 29 2024 9:44 utc | 288

necromancer | Oct 29 2024 7:52 utc | 289

Word is Iran has Resonance-N radar, which can detect, but not lock on to, “stealth” aircraft. Probably enough to point the S300/400 analogue in the correct direction.
Sorry don’t remember the source.

Iran has had that system since 2009
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/rezonans-n.htm

Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 29 2024 11:19 utc | 289

@Ed4 292
How about aljazeera?
The Qatari state media? You’re 0 for 2 here.

Qatar’s Al Jazeera network has often hosted Israeli officials, while the Israeli Foreign Ministry facilitated services for Al Jazeera’s team in Tel Aviv. Al Jazeera was also among the first Arabic channels to put the name “Israel
Classified documents leaked by the pro-Israel Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) have unveiled Qatar’s funding of Israeli officials as part of the “Raven Project,” which previously exposed suspicious financial ties between Qatar and prominent global figures.
The first tranche of leaks published in December included documents revealing at least two Qatari grants to Netanyahu – payments of $15 million in 2012 and $50 million in 2018.” on the map.

https://thecradle.co/articles-id/25949

Posted by: ed Bernays | Oct 29 2024 11:53 utc | 290

Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 29 2024 11:19 utc | 289 “So, the Egyptian Resonance-NE radar tracks the movement of all objects in the airspace not only over Egypt, but also Israel and Syria.
Pretty fancy stuff. Where in Egypt would such a radar be placed to provide radar coverage all over Israel and Syria? And how much power would it have to radiate to reach to see aircraft flying over Damascus at 500 meters?

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 29 2024 12:04 utc | 291

Posted by: ed Bernays | Oct 29 2024 11:53 utc | 290
These guys run by Israel too? https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsParis/141638.aspx
Israeli-backed Lebanese Phalangist militias massacred 3,500 Palestinians in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps.
Got a couple more Arabic new organisation articles queued up for my amusement 🙂 They all pretty much say the same thing.

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 29 2024 12:15 utc | 292

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 29 2024 9:19 utc | 287
Looks like they got a few things past the Bavar373.
Parchin & Khojir
https://x.com/whiskey_lima927/status/1850614933941010577

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 29 2024 12:43 utc | 293

@277 et al,
Maybe you semi-literate goras should start with American Holocaust by David Stannard and A small matter of Genocide by Ward Churchill before mouthing off ignorantly, as you are accustomed to do, on this site.

Posted by: J99 | Oct 29 2024 13:46 utc | 294

Well whatever wonderwaffen it was it sure blew the air outta the ziofascist cry babies of our collective waste.
Sort of reminds of that time when Russian Nava ships did something similar to the wave of cruise missiles coming across the Mediterranean towards its Syria base;
and that time when a Russian plane flew over a US ship and the crew and captain shat themselves when everything turned off;
And that time when that US super sub hit a underwater ‘hill’;
And that time …
When Hitlers best generals and combined Euro fellow travellers had to turn tail and got chased all the way back to their 40 years of being the USSRs bitches ;
And also when our deluded generals charged the Light Brigade into the Russian canons to the left, right and centre of the ‘glorious’ defeat:
And when Napoleon went to Moscow and ended up with Bistros and bastards all over France when the swarthy Tartars came to woo the French ladies and collect their debt!
And that time Sweden tried and lost its Empire …
And the first time when it all started as the grubby trader khazar empires kings tried to take the whole goddamned world whilst they reserved themselves a spot as the Chosen Ones as the greatest Shapeshifting con job since they screwed up the Roman ‘Empire’ and setup the Holy Roman Empire, as the greatest cunning plan ever devised!
Except Russia took and ran with it as Orthodox and left them with the Vatican Catholic/Protestant servile ‘Europeans’. Who took to the seas as pirates and robber colonialist barons – the only plan that ever worked! except against Russia.
I’m sure everyone gets the picture, unless you are one of the moronic Anglo European Aristo Zio Kings and their bum chums. if you want more go get a history lesson from Putin.
Such as almost every US and European plutocrat and self deluded warrior wannabes like Churchill and Blair and Bozo and Macaroon … Soros, Shweb, Avon der ladies going door to door and Tusk and Musk and sucks…
Montgomery got it! Bismarck got it! Has Drumpff got it ?? We’ll soon see.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2024 14:02 utc | 295

@Ed4 290
Had to look this one up.
Apparently “majority owned by the Egyptian government” with plenty editorial control.
So at least I infer they ‘run by’ (as you put it) the US, which is practically the same thing as Israeli.
Or do you think Al Sisi is on the level an not a US pawn and sell out?
That you have some more articles lined up doesn’t matter.
As the point was that you should use credible sources.
A useful suggestion since this makes it 0/3.

Posted by: ed Bernays | Oct 29 2024 15:04 utc | 296

Posted by: ed Bernays | Oct 29 2024 15:04 utc | 296
Hey, how about Iran? Are they controlled by the US & Israel too?
Only children, the elderly, and women were in the besieged camps. The Lebanese gunmen killed women and children in cold blood. Most of the bodies were strewn in the streets of the camp and then bulldozers entered the camp to demolish the houses and hide the crime”
https://en.irna.ir/news/84040341/Sabra-Shatila-documents-proving-Zionist-regime-s-crimes

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 29 2024 23:05 utc | 297

What are the consequences of Nato troops being … party to the attempted genocide and ethnic cleansing … ?
I see there is a pretty substantial ‘no reaction’ [in the media] so far. Which is in itself very revealing of the motives of many observers.
Let’s see if the Duran Boys take it on.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 28 2024 9:43 utc | 112
I was disappointed in Alexander Mercouris’s criticism of Al-Aqsa Flood, 10/7/23. He complained the the Resistance “took hostages.” They’re not “hostages.” They’re prisoners of war. I admire Alexander. I hope he consults Frantz Fanon and Ilan Pappé. De-colonization is never pretty

Posted by: DeplorablDaveClennon | Oct 30 2024 16:30 utc | 298

Initial Observation:
After listening to the Biography of the new Hezbollah Secretary General Sheikh Naim Qassem, and studying his picture, I wasn’t sure what to make of him. Original foundation, but looks very much like a very humble, mild mannered Cleric. His bio showed through the years, he served on every single council, but the majority of his time was spent in the military council.
I’ve come to the assessment (so far), that he has a fire under his feet, a bonfire even. Regardless of appearances, he is ready to charge at the enemy, fervently & with every intention of maximum harm. His hand may stay even, but it will nevertheless be lethal. If we use the term “hard-liner”, which really isn’t fitting, but describes his position regarding Lebanon, Israel & Palestine.
He accurately acknowledges this war is a war of resistance of US Empirical aims for the region, more than proxy war with Israel. He understands Israel is the battlefront and if they lose here, the region is lost. He has also called on other Arabs to join in the battle, asserting a battle cry to be heard in adjacent lands.
I personally think there is something (can’t describe) that makes me believe, his fire will spread. He has “affect” in a different way than the beloved Nasarallah. He’s taken Nasarallah’s torch, and committed to lighting fires everywhere to defeat the enemy plots. He is very committed & will see it done. I’ve no doubt, he will remain secure (ok maybe a little) until the finish line.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 30 2024 17:23 utc | 299

RE: Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2024 14:02 utc | 295
Well said!! Made me think of the time when the UK & US decided to run into Russia during the Lenin beginning to make a carve out for themselves thinking Russians would be too busy with their civil war to notice, only to be handed their tails and were run off instantly.
Ah!! To “remembering times”….

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 30 2024 17:32 utc | 300