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October 20, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-252

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I suspect an attack on Iran will be used to disrupt the BRICS Kazan summit.

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 22 2024 4:35 utc | 401

Any chance someone could put a last button on the page to scroll straight to the newest comments?
Posted by: , | Oct 22 2024 3:19 utc | 397
On the Home page is a column with the poster’s handle and the Thread commented on last, click on the name and you avoid all the other rubbish comments.
Function not available when you use your phone unfortunately.

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 22 2024 4:47 utc | 402

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 22 2024 4:47 utc | 403
It’s just down the page further on the phone or narrow windows.
The End page button works as well.

Posted by: Forest | Oct 22 2024 4:57 utc | 403

State of emergency declared in Tel Aviv
All air traffic at Ben Gurion Airport has been halted and the Israeli military has declared a state of emergency in the Tel Aviv area, according to our Al Jazeera Arabic colleagues, citing Israeli media.
Earlier, we reported Hezbollah said it had bombed the Nirit area in Israel’s Tel Aviv suburbs with missiles, resulting in large explosions.
We will bring you more information on this attack when we have it.
AlJazeera just now …
12 mins ago
Hezbollah claims missile attack on Tel Aviv
Hezbollah said it bombed the Nirit area in Israel’s Tel Aviv suburbs with missiles.
In a post on Telegram, the Lebanese group said the attacks were in solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza and in defence of the Lebanese people.
Hezbollah’s statement came after videos verified by Al Jazeera’s Sanad agency showed smoke rising near the Beit Aryeh settlement located north of the occupied West Bank and east of Tel Aviv after sirens sounded in three settlements in the West Bank.
Air raid sirens sounded in Tel Aviv, according to a Reuters witness. There were no immediate reports of casualties.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 22 2024 5:09 utc | 404

Hezbollah says it bombed military base south of Tel Aviv, no injuries reported
The Lebanese armed group has said it has bombed the Glilot base of military intelligence unit 8200 in the suburbs of Tel Aviv with a “qualitative missile salvo”.
Earlier, Hezbollah said it bombed the Nirit area in Israel’s Tel Aviv suburbs with missiles, seemingly referring to a separate attack.
The Israeli military has said there have been no casualties reported so far.
We will bring you more information when we have it.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 22 2024 5:32 utc | 405

Imran Khan AlJazeera
A barrage of rockets was fired at Israel’s Tel Aviv and Haifa from the bridge line behind me.
It is the first time we have seen medium-range rockets were used from this direction.
And minutes later air raid sirens were sounding in Tel Aviv.
Air traffic has been completely stopped at the Ben Gurian Airport, according to the Israeli media.
And the Israeli army announced emergency measures in the Tel Aviv area.
We counted around twelve medium-range rockets launching towards Haifa and Tel Aviv.
It is a big sign from Hezbollah that they still have the capability despite all the fighting that is taking place.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 22 2024 5:38 utc | 406

Hezbollah claims attack on Haifa naval base, missile falls in Caesarea
The Lebanese armed group has said it bombed the “Stella Maris” naval base, northwest of the coastal city of Haifa.
Hezbollah also posted a photo on its Telegram channel with a caption claiming a missile strike in an area north of Caesarea, where Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s home is located, without explicitly claiming the attack.
Earlier, we reported Hezbollah claimed an attack on the Glilot military base near Tel Aviv with a “missile salvo”, as well as what appears to be a second attack on a Tel Aviv suburb.
Israeli authorities have declared a state of emergency in the Tel Aviv area, but no casualties have been reported.
We will bring you more information when we have it.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 22 2024 5:47 utc | 407

MenchOsint
@MenchOsint
⚡️The Israeli army claims now in a CGI video that the Hezbollah is hiding $500.000.000 under Beirut hospitals.
Sounds like coming straight from the same playbook of the “Al shifa hospital inexistant underground complex” story.
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1848433930757718509

Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:47 utc | 408

Khalissee
@Kahlissee
Israeli Forces have set fire to the Indonesian hospital in northern Gaza after forcibly removing patients and medical staff.
It’s antisemitic to call this terrorism, apparently. We have to call burning a hospital ‘Self Defence.’
https://x.com/Kahlissee/status/1848349345952735388

Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:48 utc | 409

sarah
@sahouraxo
Israel is literally wiping out apartment buildings in Beirut tonight.
Let that sink in—residential buildings full of Lebanese families.
In what universe is this considered “self-defense”?
https://x.com/sahouraxo/status/1848102937899471193

Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:49 utc | 410

Lord Bebo
@MyLordBebo
🇨🇳 China has factories that churn out 1000 cruise millses each 24 hours.
How many such factories exist?
That industrial output is unbeatable at the moment.
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1848319362001698934

Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:51 utc | 411

Zara Rahim
@ZaraRahim
Yousef was delivering fresh produce just today and then Israel targeted and killed him. My heart is absolutely shattered.
https://x.com/ZaraRahim/status/1848452516591051195

Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:52 utc | 412

Dr. Jennifer Cassidy
@OxfordDiplomat
If you listen to anyone this morning, let it be Gideon Levy. A phenomenal Israeli journalist who has been speaking truth to power for decades. Share his words. Far and Wide.
https://x.com/OxfordDiplomat/status/1848271333571821684

Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:53 utc | 413

Charlie Herbert
@Charlie533080
Douglas Murray practically wetting himself as a rocket flies miles over his head 🤣.
While he cheerleads Israel’s massacre of Palestinian civilians.
https://x.com/Charlie533080/status/1848486981979767131

Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:53 utc | 414

Mohammad Alsaafin
@malsaafin
The mass killer whose suicide CNN thinks might be upsetting to its readers, was on Israeli TV with his co-driver a few months ago bragging about destroying 5,000 Palestinian homes by themselves:
https://x.com/malsaafin/status/1848471577135853978

Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:55 utc | 415

Menz,
That interview from Israeli news is illuminating. Plus those 2 D9 operators have testified to war crimes and also figured their entire company. That’s all being documented for lawfare.
The eventual war crimes trials will simply be epic.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 22 2024 6:17 utc | 416

Seems like after the Sinwar killing that many of the Hamas fighters are just giving up. Surrendering? What’s up with that? I thought this war was going to be Israel’s demise?
Posted by: MikeMikeTango | Oct 21 2024 21:46 utc | 354
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I’d appreciate some reliable information about Hamas fighters “giving up” or “surrendering”. Surely they know that — in addition to the virtue of dying as martyrs — a quick death fighting is preferable to being tortured and then executed by the Zionazis.
You do have such reliable information, don’t you?

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 22 2024 6:18 utc | 417

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 22 2024 4:47 utc | 403
It’s just down the page further on the phone or narrow windows.
The End page button works as well.
Posted by: Forest | Oct 22 2024 4:57 utc | 404
Thank you.

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 22 2024 6:22 utc | 418

Has anyone any rational explanation for why the Lebanese Army seems to be in a coma?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2024 17:07 utc | 296
If you look it up on the net, you’ll find the Lebanese army is directly armed and funded by the US. They’re more like a proxy army akin to the former Afghan government. I was reading an article not long ago about how because one Lebanese soldier dared to open fire on an Israeli drone invading Lebanese airspace, the US punished the Lebanese army by freezing their supply of 5.56 ammo for 2 years.
It’s not a coincidence that the most pro Israel Muslim countries in the middle east, Jordan and Egypt, are also the highest recipients of US funding.

Posted by: Autumn | Oct 22 2024 6:22 utc | 419

https://x.com/ainiladra/status/1847896774322626781
leila @ainiladra
you can travel to occupied palestine, shoot civilians there, post videos of you rejoicing at the blowing up of a mosque or school or hospital & travel back to live your life normally … but if you do none of that & write “from the river to the sea”, the police raid your home
https://x.com/MariamBarghouti/status/1847766191231889703
Mariam Barghouti مريم البرغوثي @MariamBarghouti
🚨EMERGENCY ACTION REQUIRED
Homes in north Gaza are now being attacked with Apache war planes by Israel.
According to journalists and civilians on the ground, and footage coming out, Israel is killing people en masse, field executions, people are dying of dehydration and starvation in piles and piles.
An arms embargo is necessary, no fly zone over Gaza, humanitarian aid must enter unimpeded and emergency medical personnel, the situation is deteriorating quickly
—-
see video at Prof. Marandi’s link:
https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1848111940591145362
Seyed Mohammad Marandi @s_m_marandi
Western backed Zionists are systematically destroying the homes, shops, and assets of the people in southern Beirut and other parts of Lebanon because of their support for Gaza.
Legacy media subtly suggests that these are “legitimate” targets in order to provide political cover.
https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1779258392088859031
☀️👀 @zei_squirrel
as Iran launches its retaliatory strikes, remember that Israel’s military headquarters are intentionally located in the middle of civilian areas in Tel Aviv, which by the Israeli regime’s own standard and actions in Gaza makes everyone there “human shields” and legitimate targets

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 22 2024 6:25 utc | 420

‘I was Left No Choice’ – Palestinians used as Human Shields by Israeli Forces in Gaza
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/i-was-left-no-choice-palestinians-used-as-human-shields-by-israeli-forces-in-gaza/

Posted by: Exile | Oct 22 2024 6:26 utc | 421

‘Everyone not dead or injured is mentally damaged’: Israeli army hit by silent crisis
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/27360
Comment – IDF KIA/ WIA estimates range from a high 30,000 to a low 12,000 since 2.Oct 2023. These high levels are casualties are to be expected when assaulting fortresses. The rule of thumb is attackers suffer 10:1 casualties in such assaults on fortresses.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 22 2024 6:34 utc | 422

Jonathan W 363
It’s a Faustian gamble with the devil, to exchange centuries of sound reputation for a frenzy of rage.
It’s their choice, but as good old Dr Faustus discovers , the devil comes back to claim his soul.
Obviously in an AI brain like yours, no such concept as a soul could possibly exist. It is only USUKIS that has miscalculated. I suspect they have no choice because their old slaves are getting twitchy. Kurdistan, Somalia, Libya and the RF stans refuse to ne bankrupted by oil theft so that the global elites can buy the world.
You’re a dyed in the wool Capitalist and you see nothing wrong with corporate theft. One day the devil will send you an email.’ Jonathan, we need to talk. Babylonia Bank has been nationalised and you are bankrupt. Prosecutions may follow . It’s time to make yourself scarce. ‘
Until you get that email, you think you’re on a winning streak like USUKIS.
Total miscalculation of the real world.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 22 2024 6:37 utc | 423

“I didn’t steal America from the natives. I didn’t sell any slaves. None of the people living in America did.”
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 20 2024 15:29 utc | 32

“I didn’t steal Palestine from the natives. I wasn’t the one who herded Palestinians into ever-shrinking reservations. History began on October 7th.” So sayeth Tichy.
If Israel succeeded in exterminating Palestinians within the next 5 years, and 200 years from now, when none of the living Israelis can be directly connected to the genocide, Tichy would support the Israelis occupying Palestinian (and Lebanese etc.) lands.

Couldn’t you find any better way to support your virtue signaling than that silly straw man? Let me put it in a simpler way. The Jews of Israel are morally responsible for the genocide in Gaza. They are, however, not responsible for the murder of Jesus Christ two thousand years ago.
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 15:25 utc | 275

Ah, blaming Israeli Jews first and foremost instead of the West which is funding and arming the Israeli state, without which the genocide in Gaza could not be carried out.
If someone drops a starved tiger into a crowd who then proceeds to maul several people, all will be well so long as the tiger is subdued? No attention needs to be paid to the person who starved the tiger and dropped it into the crowd?
Also, this Tichy comment is deliberately emphasizing the religious dimension of the conflict by making mention of Jesus Christ and Jews, instead of analyzing it as a settler colonial land and resource grab. What sort of historical materialist does that?

Incidentally, this “sins of the father” mentality is especially prevalent in Japan, and it is truly sick. Whole families will be ostracized from society if any of their children commit a crime.
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 16:04 utc | 286

The counterpart to “sins of the father” is “wealth of the father”. Children should not be punished for their progenitors’ transgressions, and neither should they enjoy their progenitors’ ill-gotten wealth. Wealth does not refer to just resources carted away from colonies back to the imperial core, it also includes structural advantages and exploitative relationships (neo-colonialism) that the imperial core benefits from.
It’s interesting that a supposed historical materialist turns to religious language: “sins of the father”. It’s almost as if Tichy’s defense of Western colonialism belongs to the same milieu as Christian civilizing missions.
Although Tichy is defending the West’s right to enjoy imperial spoils, Tichy just couldn’t hide their Orientalism/racism by singling out a non-White member of the West, the Japanese, in a separate comment, trying to make it seem like only Asians harbor this “prejudice” (it’s not prejudice), while the free and fair-minded West rarely do. Ever applied for a job in the West and faced questions like whether you have family members working within the organization? That’s “sins of the father” for you.
Puyi, as the last Emperor of China, owned all of China. Those mean communists took all that inherited wealth away from Puyi. Puyi’s plight no doubt tugs at Tichy’s heart strings, which must be why Tichy calls communist China imperialist.
Since Thatcher did not directly participate in the signing of the unequal treaty in which Hong Kong was ceded to the UK in perpetuity and she was not alive at the time of signing, Thatcher should not inherit the “sins of the father”. She should have fought harder to keep Hong Kong a British colonial possession, right? How dare mean communist China take away the UK’s rightful property!
For a self-professed historical materialist, Tichy is certainly averse to materialist analysis.

Actually I think I may be wrong here so strike that. It’s clear that the United States is the Imperialist superpower. The current conflict stems from the US against other Capitalist centers such as Russia and China.
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 18:12 utc | 315

China is not a capitalist country. It’s in the primary stage of socialism attempting to transition to communism. The existence of a market economy and the existence of capitalists in China do not make China a capitalist country, as the commanding heights of the economy are still under the control of the state, which is ruled by the Communist Party of China. The poverty alleviation efforts in China are actually overseen by grassroots Party cadres who quite literally risk life and limb (a number have died in duty) to reach desperately impoverished regions so that they can find long-lasting solutions to ending poverty that account for the specific material conditions of the regions. You won’t find such dedication in any bourgeois political party.
Even Lenin and Mao were explicit about learning from capitalists and using capitalists to achieve communist goals.
The words of Lenin: “Get down to business, all of you! You will have capitalists beside you, including foreign capitalists, concessionaires and leaseholders. They will squeeze profits out of you amounting to hundreds per cent; they will enrich themselves, operating alongside of you. Let them. Meanwhile you will learn from them the business of running the economy, and only when you do that will you be able to build up a communist republic. Since we must necessarily learn quickly, any slackness in this respect is a serious crime. And we must undergo this training, this severe, stern and sometimes even cruel training, because we have no other way out.”
The words of Mao: “The present-day capitalist economy in China is a capitalist economy which for the most part is under the control of the People’s Government and which is linked with the state-owned socialist economy in various forms and supervised by the workers. It is not an ordinary but a particular kind of capitalist economy, namely, a state-capitalist economy of a new type. It exists not chiefly to make profits for the capitalists but to meet the needs of the people and the state. True, a share of the profits produced by the workers goes to the capitalists, but that is only a small part, about one quarter, of the total. The remaining three quarters are produced for the workers (in the form of the welfare fund), for the state (in the form of income tax) and for expanding productive capacity (a small part of which produces profits for the capitalists). Therefore, this state-capitalist economy of a new type takes on a socialist character to a very great extent and benefits the workers and the state.”
If neither the words of Mao nor Lenin, the two leaders who succeeded in building long-lived and powerful communist states, satisfy you, then you’re likely an utopian socialist and not a Marxist.

I see Russia and China as imperialist powers but if they offer me a chance to hit the hegemony of Western Banking System, I take the offer without fuss or quibble.
Posted by: Framarz | Oct 21 2024 22:22 utc | 365

“Imperialist” is a very specific term in Marxist discourse. It’s not something casually applied to any state. It requires the existence of an exploitative relationship where states in the core suck those in the periphery dry. Neither Russia and China meet that criteria, as they lacked the monopoly power to generate “superprofits” that characterize imperialist powers. At worst, they can only be described as semi-periphery. Western countries, however, do meet that criteria. Yes, that includes Nordic countries. Only dishonest “Marxists” would attempt to compare Russia or China to the US.

@Giyane 278
Do you consider the Russian Communist Workers Party right-wing trolls on US koolaid?
Unity of front and rear in Capitalist Russia
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 15:39 utc | 279

The majority of the screed was directed against fascist Ukraine. It’s not some scathing critique of Putin. In contrast, look at Tichy’s comment history at MoA. It’s endlessly running cover for the Empire’s actions from a “left” perspective. “Yes, I condemn Israel’s genocide against the Palestinian people, but here’s 10 reasons why enjoying the spoils of settler colonialism is okay if there are no direct participants of land theft and slave trade alive.” Or, “Yes, I condemn the fascist Ukraine regime, but here’s 10 reasons why it’s better if Putin is toppled by a color revolution.” That commenting style reminds me of a certain Robert Lindsay, who goes, “Yes, I condemn Israel’s genocide against the Palestinian people, but here’s 10 reasons why the armed resistance defending the Palestinians from genocide should be defeated by the Israelis.”

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 22 2024 7:03 utc | 424

My appraisal of Tichy’s comments, the short version: Every time they flash their communist credentials, one should treat it as when another barfly, Robert Lindsay, flash their journalistic credentials. Rather than letting the substance of their arguments speak for themselves, they attempt to give their arguments authority using their credentials. Their comments mostly boil down to, “I’m not a racist, but …”, where their self-professed expertise in Marxism or journalism stand in for the “not a racist” part to make the more naive readers swallow the part that comes after “but”, which is typically some counter-revolutionary dross.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 22 2024 7:05 utc | 425

Charlie Herbert
@Charlie533080
Douglas Murray practically wetting himself as a rocket flies miles over his head 🤣.
While he cheerleads Israel’s massacre of Palestinian civilians.
https://x.com/Charlie533080/status/1848486981979767131
Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:53 utc | 416
The first time I watched Murray, a couple of months ago, I thought “who is this High Church fagala?”, so I wikipediaed him. He’s married with a husband. Please send some clean underware.

Posted by: Ново З | Oct 22 2024 7:13 utc | 426

I am particularly scandalised ond horrified with the BRICS states, who do not find it their main, most important and urgent DUTY as human beings and state representatives, to protect people, civilians, being relentlessly killed, starved and pushed out of their homes and land, every single day, 24 hours a day.
Posted by: JB | Oct 21 2024 13:06 utc | 248
I support most part of your comment and the valid question you raise about the moral standards of Brics leaders, but I am afraid you are getting too emotional.
Posted by: Framarz | Oct 21 2024 22:22 utc | 365

The genocide can only be carried out with the continued supply of American funding and weapons. To stop the genocide in the quickest way possible, America must be militarily attacked. America is a nuclear nation and it is also protected by two oceans and two bordering states that would never dream of acting militarily against America. An amphibious invasion is out of the question even for the entirety of the Global South’s military might. China can defeat America in China’s vicinity but not take the fight to America’s heartland itself. All of China’s naval build-up is only for retaking tiny Taiwan, and only for when all peaceful options have been exhausted. Therefore, the only feasible option to quickly take out America is to nuke the US.
You’re right JB, let’s nuke America. That will invite a retaliatory strike, so I guess what I’m saying is: Let’s nuke everyone. Nuclear martyrdom and genocide for all.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 22 2024 7:14 utc | 427

@All under heaven
That’s some grade A intellectual dishonesty. Thanks for the long response, though. I will answer in full when I get home.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2024 7:17 utc | 428

as Iran launches its retaliatory strikes, remember that Israel’s military headquarters are intentionally located in the middle of civilian areas in Tel Aviv, which by the Israeli regime’s own standard and actions in Gaza makes everyone there “human shields” and legitimate targets
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 22 2024 6:25 utc | 421
At this point one realises that violence really is the answer sometimes.
That an eye for an eye is the best solution because in a blind world we’d all need each other to get around.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 7:23 utc | 429

It’s not a coincidence that the most pro Israel Muslim countries in the middle east, Jordan and Egypt, are also the highest recipients of US funding.
Posted by: Autumn | Oct 22 2024 6:22 utc | 420
They are given funding in order to protect Israel from their citizens, NOT to protect their citizens from Israel. If they attempted the latter, the funding would get cut off instantly.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Oct 22 2024 7:26 utc | 430

State of emergency declared in Tel Aviv
Air raid sirens sounded in Tel Aviv, according to a Reuters witness. There were no immediate reports of casualties.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 22 2024 5:09 utc | 405
Attacks on Tel Aviv are usually what cause Israel to cry “uncle” in my experience.
Hezbollah usually reserves major attacks on Tel Aviv for the end stages of battle.
If they’ve taken a decision to accelerate the pace of battle and hit Tel Aviv then I think they’re looking to close this chapter of conflict quickly.
It’s going to get much worse from now on but it’s going to get really bad for Tel Aviv.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 7:30 utc | 431

Gaza News Platform
🔴 Director of Kamal Adwan Hospital, Dr. Hussam Abu Safia:
– We are being shot at from all sides.
– People are scared.
– The situation is catastrophic, people.
– They are killing people in the streets.
– We will not leave Kamal Adwan Hospital and we will not leave the wounded.

Posted by: JB | Oct 22 2024 8:24 utc | 432

“If each of these Islamic countries fired just one missile per day at the entity, the number would exceed 1,500 missiles per month, forcing it to stop its aggression and massacre of the innocent,” Akram al-Kaabi, secretary general of Harakat Hezbollah al-Nujaba, Iraq.
“If the Zionist enemy’s planes attempt to enter Iraqi skies, which are occupied by the Americans, we will retaliate strongly against the Americans,” he said.
“To the American enemy: Know that you will not be exempt from punishment if the entity commits any foolishness on Iraqi soil.”
He added that the Americans, who claim to be seeking an end to the war, are actually supplying the occupying regime with money, weapons, intelligence, and plans.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/10/22/735736/Iraq-Nujaba-US-interests-Israel-attack

Posted by: JB | Oct 22 2024 8:39 utc | 433

https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1848620387463999773
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
The moral disparity in this conflict is glaring. #Hezbollah’s focus on military targets contrasts sharply with #Israel’s indiscriminate targeting of both military and civilian institutions. Such actions from Israel represent a severe ethical breach, as they result in devastating civilian casualties and destruction of essential infrastructure.
This lack of distinction between combatants and non-combatants demonstrates an immoral, unethical and total Israeli disregard for international humanitarian law and basic human ethics, removing all boundaries of acceptable conduct in warfare.
https://x.com/UNRWA/status/1848622929593893248
UNRWA @UNRWA
“What people are facing is horrific—in terms of squalor, in terms of overcrowding. People are asking for aid, for safety, for security. They are asking for the bombing to stop.”
@UNRWA Sam Rose tells @AlJazeera that it remains extremely difficult to get a clear picture of the situation in northern #Gaza due to the ongoing closure and severe restrictions. Reports indicate that the conditions for the tens of thousands people who remain there are beyond catastrophic.
https://x.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1847710714691244368
Sarah Wilkinson @swilkinsonbc
Palestinians pick up the scattered & blasted remains of children murdered by the israelis during the bombing of Asmaa School, just west of Gaza City

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 22 2024 9:11 utc | 434

428 AllUnderHeaven. “… let’s nuke America. That will invite a retaliatory strike, so I guess what I’m saying is: Let’s nuke everyone. Nuclear martyrdom and genocide for all.”
I don’t see that JB said that but you did; it appears from all that you’ve said so far, you’ll say anything.

Posted by: Lavieja | Oct 22 2024 10:21 utc | 435

Gaza needs help, NOW!
Oh World, can’t you hear the cry from Gaza – it needs HELP NOW!

Posted by: JB | Oct 22 2024 10:30 utc | 436

The fate of Gaza will be the fate of all nations and there will be no rescue from it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 10:45 utc | 437

Philippe Lazzarini, head of the UN agency for Palestine refugees (Unrwa), has urgently called for a pause in the fighting in northern Gaza to enable humanitarian aid to reach civilians trapped there.
In a post on X, Lazzarini stated that Unrwa staff are struggling to find food, water, or medicine in the war-torn region.
He remarked, “The smell of death is everywhere as bodies are left lying on the roads or under the rubble. Missions to clear the bodies or provide humanitarian assistance are denied.”
Lazzarini emphasised the need for an “immediate truce, even if only for a few hours,” to facilitate safe passage for families seeking refuge.
“This is the bare minimum to save the lives of civilians who have nothing to do with this conflict,” he added.

Posted by: JB | Oct 22 2024 10:47 utc | 438

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 7:30 utc | 432 “Attacks on Tel Aviv are usually what cause Israel to cry “uncle” in my experience.”
Can you supply some past times when that happened?

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 22 2024 10:50 utc | 439

Posted by: Exile | Oct 22 2024 6:34 utc | 423 “The rule of thumb is attackers suffer 10:1 casualties in such assaults on fortresses.”
You keep throwing out this 10:1 and it just is not true.
Take a look at what you and others claim in the Ukraine threads. Is Russia suffering a 10:1 exchange ratio when it attacks the fortress that Ukraine built up since 2014 in the Donbass?
Take a look at the historical evidence. On D-Day the Allies took about 10,400 casualties and the Germans suffered somewhere between 4,000 and 9,000. The exchange rate of KIA/WIA when the USSR took Berlin was little better than 1:1 (360k v. 300k) On Iwo Jima the US suffered 24,053 casualties and Japan lost about 22,000. On Okinawa the US took about 49,000 casualties and Japan sufferend 110,000.
Perhaps you could offer some examples where one side had overwhelming air and artillery power attacking a fortress or urban environment where the exchange ratios where 10:1?

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 22 2024 11:20 utc | 440

“My appraisal of Tichy’s comments, the short version: Every time they flash their communist credentials, one should treat it as when another barfly, Robert Lindsay, flash their journalistic credentials. Rather than letting the substance of their arguments speak for themselves, they attempt to give their arguments authority using their credentials. Their comments mostly boil down to, “I’m not a racist, but …”, where their self-professed expertise in Marxism or journalism stand in for the “not a racist” part to make the more naïve readers swallow the part that comes after “but”, which is typically some counter-revolutionary dross.”
Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 22 2024 7:05 utc | 426
Best post I have read today, thanks.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 22 2024 11:24 utc | 441

The Biden administration has approved the deployment of 1,000 CIA-trained private mercenaries as part of a joint U.S.-Israeli plan to turn Gaza’s apocalyptic rubblescape into a high-tech dystopia.
Starting with Al-Atatra, a village in the northwestern Gaza Strip, the plan calls to build what the Israeli daily Ynet calls “humanitarian bubbles” – turning the remains of villages and neighborhoods into tiny concentration camps cut off from their environs and surrounded and controlled by mercenaries.
This comes as Israel carries out daily massacres and ethnic cleansing in northern Gaza, enacting the proposal known as The Generals’ Plan, originally crafted by former national security chief Giora Eiland to turn Gaza into “a place where no human being can exist.”
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sju3uabba

Posted by: ld | Oct 22 2024 11:25 utc | 442

10:1. I recall that that was the ratio of soldiers needed for an offense against an enemy already entrenched in a fortified defense position ,stated in a discussion (by someone) about Ukraine war.

Posted by: Lavieja | Oct 22 2024 11:47 utc | 443

I have been stating that the detailed Hamas manual for their mass jail break,
which had been captured by Israel about a year before October 7th,
also contained Hamas’ plan to lull Israel into complacency.
Israel knew. Israel cannot use complacency as an excuse and cover up for
their own so-called “failures” surrounding October 7th. Israel was forewarned in writing.
I am posting this to provide a source link.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/reports-senior-idf-officer-dismissed-pre-oct-7-intel-on-hamas-invasion-as-fantasy/
(link has been archived)

The manual also described a strategy to lull Israel into complacency by holding negotiations for some form of long-term arrangement with Hamas,
while at the same time staging frequent drills and carrying out small security incidents on the border on Saturdays and Jewish holidays to
lull the IDF into a false sense of security when Hamas forces turned up en masse at the border fence.

Posted by: librul | Oct 22 2024 11:52 utc | 444

Can you supply some past times when that happened?
Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 22 2024 10:50 utc | 440
Not for you, certainly not for free.
I see no purpose in it.
Better left for an upcoming article I’m working on.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 12:03 utc | 445

Israel Cancelled Plans For Earlier Strike on Iran After Key Documents Leak – Reports
” With Israeli officials having pledged to launch a rapid and harsh attack on Iran, the recent leaks provide a face saving pretext for refraining from taking military action. ”
Could this be the reason for the leak?
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/israel-planned-documents-leak-strike

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 22 2024 12:17 utc | 446

Nobody misunderstands,
Posted by: jr | Oct 22 2024 1:06 utc | 381
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I quickly decided to ignore MMT.
I don’t buy his “origin story.”

Posted by: Jane | Oct 22 2024 12:26 utc | 447

If you look closely, they are mostly women, children and frail elderly. Men are taken away, arrested? executed?
michaelj72 | Oct 22 2024 0:47 utc | 379
According to the reports that have gotten out of northern Gaza, the men and boys are being arrested. But who knows what happens to them after they are led away. I suspect killed. The Israelis don’t want the world to see the piles of dead bodies from that and from the starvation they have imposed. I firmly believe the bulldozers will come in before they let any press in.

Posted by: teri | Oct 22 2024 12:34 utc | 448

Lebanon:
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Director General of the Lebanese Ministry of Health Fadi Sinan:
150 paramedics were martyred and more than 15 hospitals were damaged as a result of the occupation’s raids
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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Hamas action:
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Detonation of a “television” anti-personnel bomb on Sunday at 3 p.m. against a Zionist infantry command group consisting of 12 officers, killing and wounding them in the Al-Faluja area west of the Jabalia camp in the northern Gaza Strip.
The enemy admitted, as a result of this operation, the killing of the commander of the 401st Brigade and the serious wounding of others, including the commander of the battalion.
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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Kamala does not believe that Israel is committing genocide. Her campaign people want that made clear to everyone:
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Vice President Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign has clarified that she does not believe Israel is committing genocide in Gaza after an incident at a rally suggested that she did.
At a campaign event at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, a protester interrupted Harris and said she invested “billions of dollars in genocide” and pressed her about the massive child casualties in Gaza, repeatedly describing the Israeli onslaught as a genocide.
Addressing the students, Harris said, “What he’s talking about, it’s real. That’s not the subject that I came to discuss today, but it’s real, and I respect his voice.”
A spokesperson for Harris’s campaign said Sunday that the comments made by the protester “don’t reflect the position of the Biden-Harris administration or the vice president’s stance.”
The spokesperson added that Harris “didn’t agree with defining the war as a genocide, and she has not expressed such a stance in the past, as this is not her position.” […]
https://scheerpost.com/2024/10/22/harris-campaign-says-she-denies-israel-is-committing-genocide-in-gaza/
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Posted by: teri | Oct 22 2024 12:41 utc | 449

According to the reports that have gotten out of northern Gaza, the men and boys are being arrested. But who knows what happens to them after they are led away. I suspect killed. . . .
Posted by: teri | Oct 22 2024 12:34 utc | 449
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This is what occurred during Nakba I.
Why would the Zionists do anything different to “finish the job”?
After all, Palestinian men contain sperm and that means more Palestinians in the future.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 22 2024 12:41 utc | 450

The principle of the Outer and Inner Leadership in Resistance Movements:
Modern resistance movements utilise two layers of leadership in indirect contact with each other.
The Outer layer of leadership is that leadership exposed to the public, empowered to conduct diplomacy and morale-boosting operations. Think of this layer as a PR Department.
The Inner layer of leadership is completely hidden from public view and comprise of individuals whose names will probably never be exposed to the general public.
The Inner layer of leadership is capable of operating completely independently of the outer. Each role in the outer layer dis mirrored (where relevant) in the Inner Layer.

Should the outer layer be stripped away the resistance movement continues without disruption, taking guidance from the inner layer.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 12:45 utc | 451

After all, Palestinian men contain sperm and that means more Palestinians in the future.
Jane | Oct 22 2024 12:41 utc | 451
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One of the ugliest details I have heard from the international doctors who report what they have seen during thier duties in Gaza is the shooting of young men in the genitals. Many doctors say that they saw so many of these wounds that it could not be accidental. The IDF does it so the teens who are shot this way will never be able to have children.
Disgusting and stomach-churning; I don’t know how anyone can even think of doing such things, much less actually carry them out.

Posted by: teri | Oct 22 2024 12:50 utc | 452

Hezbollah declares responsibility for the Caesaria operation.
Can’t tell if they’re trying to take the wind out of Netanyahoo’s attempt to pin it on Iran, or if they really did it.
(Or if it was a Netanyahu false-flag attempt to put Iran in the gunsights …)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 12:52 utc | 453

The fate of Gaza will be the fate of all nations and there will be no rescue from it.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 10:45 utc | 438
That is truly prophetic, man. Have you had these visions since childhood?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 13:01 utc | 454

That is truly prophetic, man. Have you had these visions since childhood?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 13:01 utc | 455
Pretty much, yeah. It’s essentially what the Christians preach every second Sunday.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 13:22 utc | 455

Arch Bungle is an honorary Palestinian freedom fighter. He dreams and prays about Israel’s demise for years now. Don’t mind him.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 10:45 utc | 438
That is truly prophetic, man. Have you had these visions since childhood?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 13:01 utc | 455
Posted by: Fritz W. | Oct 22 2024 13:26 utc | 457
Clearly something I said got the hasbarats all worked up tonight …
Nice.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 13:29 utc | 456

Clearly something I said got the hasbarats all worked up tonight …
Nice.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 13:29 utc | 458
That clearly shows your message is true. “If they persecuted me they’ll persecute you.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 13:32 utc | 457

@ ld | Oct 22 2024 11:25 utc | 443
I think that is the wrong link in your post. The story is worth reading and I found a link to the same info, but a different source, on the nakedcapitalism site.
It is an appalling plan for Gaza, made by Israel and the US. A couple of stand-out issues with the plan – first, Israel has been ordered by the ICJ (or the ICC?) to end all occupation of Palestinian areas; this would be occupation on steroids.
The second thing is that on the US side, the plan was “approved” by White House National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan. They let ADVISORS approve plans that would mean the direct US involvement in the illegal occupation of a group in a foreign country? WTF is this?
Third, the occupying entities (which would now be the US AND Israel) are using a hired private company trained by the CIA to “guard” the areas so occupied. Now you’ve got private enterprise involved in illegal occupation.
Anyway, here is the article, just a different source. That is amazing information you found.
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US authorizes CIA mercenaries to run biometric concentration camps in Gaza Strip
https://www.uncaptured.media/p/us-authorizes-cia-mercenaries-to

Posted by: teri | Oct 22 2024 13:38 utc | 458

If the ICJ mattered, Israel would have torn down the West Bank Wall and taken Hamas to court, neither of which they did. Just more copium.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 13:49 utc | 459

One of the ugliest details I have heard from the international doctors who report what they have seen during thier duties in Gaza is the shooting of young men in the genitals. Many doctors say that they saw so many of these wounds that it could not be accidental. The IDF does it so the teens who are shot this way will never be able to have children.
Disgusting and stomach-churning; I don’t know how anyone can even think of doing such things, much less actually carry them out.
Posted by: teri | Oct 22 2024 12:50 utc | 453
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Not coincidentally, perhaps, there’s no shortage of reports that the Ukronazis treat their Russian POWs in the same way.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 22 2024 13:55 utc | 460

The child-murderer army is very very good bombing disarming civilians; sniping children in the head; torturing and raping detained people; starving the population, nefating medicines, burning hundreds of people alive in tents, bombing hospitals full of medics, patients; bombing anyone who try to help the palestinian with food even american nationals; destroying water tratment plants; mosques; refugees centers, churchs, schools, levelling whole cities and villages and at the end treating the Palestinian people similar as the germans treated the jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.
But we have to see how brave they are against actual warriors like Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon, even with overwhelming air power….Those child-murderers cowards and the nazi population that support them will have a bad time ahead.

Posted by: Dave | Oct 22 2024 14:15 utc | 461

Not coincidentally, perhaps, there’s no shortage of reports that the Ukronazis treat their Russian POWs in the same way.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 22 2024 13:55 utc | 462
Desperate people do stupid things. Both are failed supremacist regimes, based on bullshit historical narratives, and such are always plungers, never know how or when to quit without lots of violence. Both have Uncle Sugar behind them 100% and are still losers. Denial and acting out is all they have left.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 22 2024 14:21 utc | 462

The child-murderer army is very very good
Posted by: Dave | Oct 22 2024 14:15 utc | 463
I wouldn’t be go as far as to say it is very very good, regardless of whether it is the IDF or Hamas you are talking about.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 14:23 utc | 463

or Hamas you are talking about.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 14:23 utc | 465
Hold on, are you claiming Hamas commits atrocities like the IDF does?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 14:40 utc | 464

Colonel Ehsan Daqsa, commander of the IDF’s 401st Brigade, has reportedly become the most senior Israeli officer killed by Palestinian resistance fighters since ground operations began in Gaza. He was killed in a precise attack in Jabalia, northern Gaza, when an explosive device struck his Merkava tank. Daqsa had been leading a brutal siege and bombing campaign in northern Gaza for the past 17 days, affecting over 400,000 Palestinians.
Earlier this year, he ordered the destruction of the Canada Well water facility, which supplied 50% of the water in southern Gaza’s Rafah governorate, where much of the population had evacuated.
The horrors occurring in Gaza right now are unimaginable – the likes of Sunak, Starmer, Scholz, Biden and Netanyahu – MUST, be held accountable for this terrible genocide that they are fully aiding and backing.
“CNN published a piece today about Israeli soldiers returning from Gaza. One bulldozer driver testifies that they drove over Palestinians, dead and alive, “in the hundreds”. This is genocidal and just breathtakingly evil.”
https://nitter.poast.org/jasonhickel/status/1848380023645868433#m

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2024 14:41 utc | 465

Compare:
Air raid sirens and explosions over Tel Aviv as Antony Blinken lands in Israel – London Guardian
Hours before Blinken landed, air raid sirens sounded in Tel Aviv – swissinfo

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 22 2024 14:42 utc | 466

The plan for Northern Gaza.
“The Biden administration has approved the deployment of 1,000 CIA-trained private mercenaries as part of a joint U.S.-Israeli plan to turn Gaza’s apocalyptic rubblescape into a high-tech dystopia.
Starting with Al-Atatra, a village in the northwestern Gaza Strip, the plan calls to build what the Israeli daily Ynet calls “humanitarian bubbles” – turning the remains of villages and neighborhoods into tiny concentration camps cut off from their environs and surrounded and controlled by mercenaries.
This comes as Israel carries out daily massacres and ethnic cleansing in northern Gaza, enacting the proposal known as The Generals’ Plan, originally crafted by former national security chief Giora Eiland to turn Gaza into “a place where no human being can exist.”
https://www.uncaptured.media/p/us-authorizes-cia-mercenaries-to

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2024 14:47 utc | 467

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2024 14:47 utc | 469
The transformation is complete.
Those who supposedly defeated the Nazis have transformed into them.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 15:02 utc | 468

Here Mahmoud Od presents a picture of a burned out IDF/IOF military transport vehicle in South Lebanon:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCye-isBhXrPG_gjJmPeGeGg/community?lb=UgkxNoRDOIovCyto5mRQGxN4T8VAcSHkM0EI
As a layman looking at this vehicle I can’t conceive of there being less than 4 IDF soldiers riding in one at any one time under the current conditions of war.
As a layman, seeing the vehicle in this condition I can’t imagine anyone got out alive.
Yet, I’m pretty sure we’ll get reports like:
“One injured soldier”, or ” one dead and two injured” or something like that from the IDF/IOF Izzie military censor.
Or nothing at all on the particular incident.
It’s quite clear the Izzies are hiding their casualties. The question is, to what degree?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 15:16 utc | 469

“I suspect an attack on Iran will be used to disrupt the BRICS Kazan summit.”
Posted by: Suresh | Oct 22 2024 4:35 utc | 402
Very possible. Agreed.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 15:17 utc | 470

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 22 2024 4:35 utc | 402
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 15:17 utc | 472
That’s guaranteed to piss Putin off no end. I don’t think the Jews want to see Putin blow his lid.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 15:23 utc | 471

REPEAT! DIRE EMERGENCY!!!
Gaza needs help, NOW!
Oh World, can’t you hear the cry from Gaza – it needs HELP NOW!
Posted by: JB | Oct 22 2024 10:30 utc | 437

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 15:25 utc | 472

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 15:23 utc | 473
(et al.) How does the US election relate to their timing? I think before it.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 15:29 utc | 473

(et al.) How does the US election relate to their timing? I think before it.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 15:29 utc | 475
I don’t see it matters at all.
That they care which side wins the election is pure kabuki theater.
The Zionists control both sides.

There is nothing wrong with your television set.
Do not attempt to adjust the picture.
We are controlling transmission.
If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume.
If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper.
We will control the horizontal.
We will control the vertical.
We can roll the image, make it flutter.
We can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity.
For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear.
We repeat: There is nothing wrong with your television set.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 15:35 utc | 474

There was an interesting segment on pressTV yesterday, that reported on The British government giving millions of pounds to comfort Jewish university students, but when they delved into this “charities” they are Is reali propaganda organs that attempt to funnel Jewish students in occupied Palestine, with promises of land, home ect… with the kicker that they have to spend a 18 months policing (slaughtering) Palestinas.. So it appears the Bristish tax payers are paying for the indoctrination of jewish students to be soldiers of the empire.

Posted by: dp | Oct 22 2024 15:43 utc | 475

Gilbert Dortorow says that the timing of the Israeli attack will tell us who is in charge. If they attack in the next few days it’s because the US wants it. In my opinion it’s better for them to wait until after. So he definitely has a good point there. We shall see.
https://www.youtube.com/live/ONwaZzVpQ7s?si=hzHhBMXIJRtwzYma

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 15:44 utc | 476

Barflies might appreciate this post:

The ABC of «what makes a mass murderer», is that someone did something terrible to them when they were little. And it takes a huge national trauma for a nation to be turned into mass murderers, lust-murderers and cheering bystanders.
That is not a defense for Israel’s actions. On the contrary: understanding the origin of this particular evil is a grave warning to the world: Israel must be stopped immediately. If it’s not stopped cold in its insane killing spree, there is only one way they will try to proceed, and that is towards «the final solution». That was the Nazis’ goal: the total extermination of all Jews. Hitler could not win, and neither can Netanyahu. The goal to exterminate a whole population stems from a sick mind.

https://mariannebergvall.substack.com/p/israels-mentally-deranged-wars-are
I’ve arrived at a similar conclusion to Bergvall’s: that USrael’s production of Holocaust 2.0, massively intensified as of Oct. 7 2023, amounts to a sequel, like Godfather 2.0: the continuation of Hitler’s unoriginal idea that civilization advances by striving for more efficient extermination of subhumans who foul the surface of planet Earth.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 22 2024 15:55 utc | 477

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 22 2024 7:03 utc | 425 Confession: Have not followed Tichy’s comments enough to judge definitively whether the attack here is objective, reads context. I can’t endorse Tichy personally, therefore. That said, this stood out:
“Wealth does not refer to just resources carted away from colonies back to the imperial core, it also includes structural advantages and exploitative relationships (neo-colonialism) that the imperial core benefits from.” The notion of “imperial core” is not very materialist. The phrase commonly conflates the ruling classes of the imperialist powers with the population as a whole. It merely sounds materialist. Similarly, “structural advantages” is too airy to serve very well here. It can mean something truly materialist, like a diversified agriculture vs. neo-colonial plantation monoculture for one example. Or it can mean all the people of the “imperial core” are rich, which is not true, a fact a materialist analysis would address. The phrase “exploitative relationships” can mean enforcement of intellectual property rights like patents, coupled with export restriction. Or it can mean the condescension of imperialists towards poor countries, the odious self-congratulation of having the wealthy society that is so much better. A perceived mental phenomenon ascribed to the masses of wealthy nations is not materialist analysis. At this level of abstraction, it’s not clear there’s any analysis behind this attack.
“It’s interesting that a supposed historical materialist turns to religious language: ‘sins of the father.’ It’s almost as if Tichy’s defense of Western colonialism belongs to the same milieu as Christian civilizing missions.” I do remember the context of this. It seemed to me pretty obvious Tichy was using the language of opponents to express what Tichy saw as the real thrust of opponent’s argument. It was the equivalent of charging that somehow Tichy was defending Thatcher’s keeping Hong Kong a colony (which didn’t actually happen by the way.) Again, this kind of mindreading of whole groups is not materialist. Generalizing about material interests, which are at least potentially objectively determinate maybe even measurable, is hard enough. Even those generalizations don’t tell us anything about individuals (hard to accept, yes, but still true.) That’s why an essential aspect of Marxist understanding of capitalism is how intra-class competition and rivalries forces the group as whole to engage in the pursuit of surplus value and create an industrial reserve army of labor to reproduce itself (pass on wealth to its heirs.)
The commentary from All Under Heaven is even less familiar to me. But if All Under Heaven means to counterpose a genuinely materialist analysis to Tichy’s alleged mockery, then it needs to have a real analysis, I think.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 22 2024 16:08 utc | 478

Lebanese report 2 Merkavas struck today

Posted by: Exile | Oct 22 2024 16:11 utc | 479

Arch,
That IDF truck destroyed by the Lebanese is a very big tell that the IDF is desperately running short of Armor. Sending thin skinned vehicles into a combat zone ?????
Can you post and highlight the Al Manar live feed today ?

Posted by: Exile | Oct 22 2024 16:15 utc | 480

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 22 2024 15:55 utc | 478
In the past when I had said that this is a monster of our own making this is exactly what I was referring to. This resulting monster was inevitable. Israel must be stopped. In many respects it is our particular responsibility to do so.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 16:27 utc | 481

Israeli Public Media is Posting the Jabalia Death March As The Ultimate Victory Picture of Israel’s Genocide.
https://x.com/johncusack/status/1848361898942607533
“The fact this is not the number-one story in US is and will be the greatest crime and shame of US.”
This Murderous Monster Belongs in Prison
https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1848549933369991495
“Kamala Harris was asked just now whether she might lose the election because of the war in Gaza. Her reply suggests real uncertainty about the issue…”
Ziofascist Power Grows in Canada
https://x.com/dimitrilascaris/status/1848597188672176552
“B’nai Brith’s seven-point plan to ‘combat antisemitism’ can be summed up in one word: Fascism.”
War without war within. The surest way to lose one is not to know you’re in one. Don’t vote for duopoly genocide. Resist don’t collaborate.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 22 2024 16:54 utc | 482

Disgusting and stomach-churning; I don’t know how anyone can even think of doing such things, much less actually carry them out.
Posted by: teri | Oct 22 2024 12:50 utc | 453
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Twisted.
A logic that reflects twisted minds and hearts.
Grotesque.
Words fail. Again.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 22 2024 17:04 utc | 483

Today’s summary from the friendly Hezbollah newsdesk:

19:38 Islamic Resistance bombards Shaar Yashuf settlement with a missile barrage: statement
19:28 Islamic Resistance strikes an Israeli Merkava tank near Misgav Am with a guided missile, burning it and killing or injuring all the soldiers on board: statement
19:20 Islamic Resistance strikes an Israeli Merkava tank in the outskirts of Al-Taybeh with a guided missile, burning it and killing or injuring all the soldiers on board: statement
19:15 3 drones forced one million Israelis to resort to basements: Zionist media
19:12 Israeli media: A drone is flying over Haifa, Army is still searching for it
19:01 A Hezbollah drone exploded inside a military base in northeastern Hadera: Israeli media
18:12 Hezbollah defenses fire surface-to-air missile at an Israeli drone, Hermes-450, flying over Iqlim Al-Tuffah, forcing it to depart the Lebanese airspace: statement
18:09 Islamic Resistance downs and burns an Israeli drone, Hermes-450, flying over Jebchit with a surface-to-air missile: statement
17:40 Hezbollah Claims Drone Attack on Netanyahu Residence: Resistance Fighters Are Chasing You
16:24 Israeli air raid on Hermel in Bekaa leaves 5 martyrs, 7 injuries, and destruction
15:59 Sirens sound in Misgav Am, Kfar Giladi in the Upper Galilee: Israeli media
15:56 Yemeni Armed Forces declare a qualitative military operation targeting a Zionist military base east of the occupied Jaffa region with a Palestine-2 hypersonic ballistic missile: statement
15:55 Blinken Visits Occupied Palestinian Territories, Seeking Ceasefire in Gaza More..
15:37 Israeli Aggression on Lebanon Enters Day 30: Intense Bombardments on South, Bekaa, Dahiyeh More..
14:32 Mohammad Afif: Bombing the Al-Qard Al-Hassan Association centers is completely unjustified as it is a licensed civil institution
14:27 Mohammad Afif: Hezbollah still bombs the Israeli barracks, camps and gatherings, while the enemy responds by targeting civilians
14:22 Hezbollah’s Mohammad Afif: We have full confidence in Speaker Berri, support his firm stance that there will be no negotiations under fire
14:20 Hezbollah Media Relations Officer Mohammad Afif at a press conference: The US is a full partner in aggression against Lebanon, supplies the Israeli enemy with weapons, bears primary responsibility for the horrific massacres
14:14 Hezbollah’s Islamic Resistance bomb the settlement of Hatzor with a qualitative rocket salvo: statement
13:43 Hezbollah’s Islamic Resistance fighters strike a Merkava tank on the outskirts of Adaisseh with a guided missile, igniting a fire: statement
13:33 Iraq: Islamic Resistance Targets Critical Locations in Occupied Tiberias, Jordan Valley More..
13:11 Hezbollah Hits Vital Targets in`Tel Aviv`, Naval Base in Haifa More..
12:29 Direct hits achieved as Islamic Resistance fighters targeted a gathering of IOF soldiers in the Al-Manara Israeli settlement with a rocket salvo: Hezbollah statement
12:28 Hezbollah fighters target a gathering of Zionist soldiers at the Al-Marj Israeli occupation site with a rocket salvo: statement
11:46 Direct hits achieved as Islamic Resistance fighters target a gathering of Israeli soldiers in the Misgav Am settlement with a rocket salvo: statement
11:45 Hezbollah fighters directly hit IOF soldiers attempting to infiltrate near Taybeh, target reinforcements with rocket fire, causing additional casualties: statement
10:51 Hezbollah’s Islamic Resistance fighters target a Merkava tank in Rab Thalatheen with a guided missile, deaths and injuries among its crew: statement
10:40 Siege and Burning of Hospital as Israeli Occupation Escalates Attacks in Northern Gaza More..
10:26 Israeli Radio reports material damage to buildings, facilities, and homes following this morning’s shelling of Kiryat Shmona
10:22 Iran’s Masoud Pezeshkian visits Hamas office in Tehran to offer condolences for the martyrdom of political bureau chief Yahya Sinwar
19:38 Islamic Resistance bombards Shaar Yashuf settlement with a missile barrage: statement

It’s been a busy day.
It’s plausible at least 3 merkava tanks got whacked in 24 hours. If this is an average The IDF/IOF is likely to burn through it’s merkava stock within 6 months. Long term prediction: We’ll eventually be seeing Abrams, Leopards and other tank models on the scene …
Hezbollah is keeping a constant firing rate on major Izzie settlements. This after one year, after taking apparently massive hits, after israel claims to have taken out 50% or more of their missile capacity (or some such stupid number!). Someone is lying about the effectiveness of their assault and it ain’t Hezbollah …
If there’s at least 1 dead izzie for every Hezbollah rocket salvo (talking averages here), then there’s around 18-20 IDF/IOF soldiers killed in 24 hours (counting 1 death for each rocket/drone/anti-tank strike). Obviously that’s an undercount.
No sign Hezbollah running out of missiles or capability to deploy them, regardless of the IDF/IOF presence in Southern Lebanon. This can go on indefinitely, as it has proven possible before. The israelis are cooking slowly, but they are cooking.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 17:06 utc | 484

Meditation 1:
The fact that discussions are happening about mercenaries being sent in to back the IDF/IOF in Gaza (now or in future) means that the IDF is feeling the effects of attrition.
For the first time in it’s existence, the IDF has been forced to face the possibility that after this conflict it may emerge a shadow of it’s former self.
Send a message to Rome for the Emperor to send more legions, for the extremity of the empire is about to be lost …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 17:13 utc | 485

Fascinating how the (foreign owned) Political Establishment in the UK and elsewhere will — despite the massacres and genocide they’re not only watching but actively assisting in — all still grovel, wail and bleat when it comes to the Zionists’ so-called “holocaust remembrance day”. Gloating hypocrisy, whether bought or real delusion, at its very worst.
While at the same time suppressing or cancelling accurate historical accounts, and awarding ever more millions of pounds of public money to child indoctrination on that subject, in their own countries….
When — if ever — will the UK and European general public finally get it through their media addled braincells that in the view of their corruptly elected “leaders” they (just like the Slavs) are merely disposable, sub-human items forever to be exploited and discarded for the benefit of a long running exclusivist cult of megalomanic, insatiably avaricious and deceit addicted self-chosen?

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 22 2024 17:15 utc | 486

I’ve arrived at a similar conclusion to Bergvall’s: . . .
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 22 2024 15:55 utc | 478
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I disagree with Bergwall.
I have read her whole article, and I reject her therapeutic interpretation of Israels’ so-called madness, or psychosis.
It is not madness.
It is a strategy.
The Zionists were not traumatized by the Holocaust into their current insanity.
Their plans to eradicate the Arabs from Palestine long predated WW2.
Bergwall is trying to make excuses.
That is understandable, as she is probably Jewish herself.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 22 2024 17:16 utc | 487

– No sign Hezbollah running out of missiles or capability to deploy them, regardless of the IDF/IOF presence in Southern Lebanon. This can go on indefinitely, as it has proven possible before. The israelis are cooking slowly, but they are cooking.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 17:06 utc | 485
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I sure hope they go for it while Blinken is in Tel Aviv.
He is an enemy combatant.
Catch him in flagrante delicto.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 22 2024 17:20 utc | 488

Jane 488
Sooner or later, the US will have to accept responsibility for the genocide , or accept that its sense of responsibility is not adult enough to lead the world.
Maybe Trump will appoint a horse to lead senate, or the modern equivalent, his electric golf caddy.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 22 2024 17:31 utc | 489

Colonial Outcasts
American veterans discussing the genocide.
https://youtu.be/Gy-1yz87Yus?si=HqDhDiCYVN_l9QM5
“This is not a war.”

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 17:57 utc | 490

All right, @All Under Heaven. Since this is a real ideological attack, albeit idiotic, I will treat it as such. You will have to forgive me for quote-warring this. I’ll go into detail. I haven’t done this in 25 years but… sure, why not.

“I didn’t steal America from the natives. I didn’t sell any slaves. None of the people living in America did.”
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 20 2024 15:29 utc | 32
“I didn’t steal Palestine from the natives. I wasn’t the one who herded Palestinians into ever-shrinking reservations. History began on October 7th.” So sayeth Tichy.
If Israel succeeded in exterminating Palestinians within the next 5 years, and 200 years from now, when none of the living Israelis can be directly connected to the genocide, Tichy would support the Israelis occupying Palestinian (and Lebanese etc.) lands.

Sure. Why not? Any other attitude towards it would amount to blaming current-day Mongols for the atrocities of Genghis Khan.
It’s not that easy, though. If the Israeli state, 200 years in the future, still celebrated the genocide of the Palestinians, it would be a different issue. If the Israeli state, 200 years in the future, shunned Palestian offspring from settling in Israel, it would be a different issue. If the Israeli state, 200 years in the future, still was a Fascist state considering the Palestinians as Untermenschen, it would be a different issue. This is akin to the situation in Ukraine. By making national heroes out of the Ukrainian Fascists, the Ukrainian state shoulders a moral responsibility for the actions of the Banderites.

Couldn’t you find any better way to support your virtue signaling than that silly straw man? Let me put it in a simpler way. The Jews of Israel are morally responsible for the genocide in Gaza. They are, however, not responsible for the murder of Jesus Christ two thousand years ago. Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 15:25 utc | 275
Ah, blaming Israeli Jews first and foremost instead of the West which is fundin and arming the Israeli state, without which the genocide in Gaza could not be carried out. If someone drops a starved tiger into a crowd who then proceeds to maul several people, all will be well so long as the tiger is subdued? No attention needs to be paid to the person who starved the tiger and dropped it into the crowd?

I never said that the United States wasn’t to blame. You just got butthurt because I used the Israeli Jews as an example.

Also, this Tichy comment is deliberately emphasizing the religious dimension of the conflict by making mention of Jesus Christ and Jews, instead of analyzing it as a settler colonial land and resource grab. What sort of historical materialist does that? […] It’s interesting that a supposed historical materialist turns to religious language: “sins of the father”. It’s almost as if Tichy’s defense of Western colonialism belongs to the same milieu as Christian civilizing missions.
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 16:04 utc | 286

I turned to religous language in order to criticize it. This is upside-down world.
And now it gets really silly.

Although Tichy is defending the West’s right to enjoy imperial spoils,

No, I don’t.

Tichy just couldn’t hide their Orientalism/racism by singling out a non-White member of the West, the Japanese, in a separate comment, trying to make it seem like only Asians harbor this “prejudice”

No, I didn’t.

(it’s not prejudice)

Yes, it is.

Puyi, as the last Emperor of China, owned all of China. Those mean communists took all that inherited wealth away from Puyi. Puyi’s plight no doubt tugs at Tichy’s heart strings

No, it doesn’t. I support Mao, you nitwit. He sucked at dialectics but he liberated the Chinese.

Since Thatcher did not directly participate in the signing of the unequal treaty in which Hong Kong was ceded to the UK in perpetuity and she was not alive at the time of signing, Thatcher should not inherit the “sins of the father”. She should have fought harder to keep Hong Kong a British colonial possession, right? How dare mean communist China take away the UK’s rightful property!

Are you crazy? The subjugation of China was an ongoing thing, it never stopped, and the people acting in favor of prolonged subjugation of China could reasonably have been thought to have approved the subjugation of the past.

Actually I think I may be wrong here so strike that. It’s clear that the United States is the Imperialist superpower. The current conflict stems from the US against other Capitalist centers such as Russia and China.
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 18:12 utc | 315
China is not a capitalist country. It’s in the primary stage of socialism attempting to transition to communism. The existence of a market economy and the existence of capitalists in China do not make China a capitalist country, as the commanding heights of the economy are still under the control of the state, which is ruled by the Communist Party of China.

China is a State Capitalist country.

The poverty alleviation efforts in China are actually overseen by grassroots Party cadres who quite literally risk life and limb (a number have died in duty) to reach desperately impoverished regions so that they can find long-lasting solutions to ending poverty that account for the specific material conditions of the regions. You won’t find such dedication in any bourgeois political party.

I am quite aware of the grassroots dedication the Chinese members and how they outmatch more or less anything we do here in the degenerate West.

The words of Mao: “The present-day capitalist economy in China is a capitalist economy which for the most part is under the control of the People’s Government and which is linked with the state-owned socialist economy in various forms and supervised by the workers. It is not an ordinary but a particular kind of capitalist economy, namely, a state-capitalist economy of a new type.

So a “State-Capitalist” economy isn’t a Capitalist economy.

Do you consider the Russian Communist Workers Party right-wing trolls on US koolaid?
Unity of front and rear in Capitalist Russia
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 15:39 utc | 279
The majority of the screed was directed against fascist Ukraine. It’s not some scathing critique of Putin.

Penning Putin as someone who rehabilitated Denikin isn’t a critique good enough for you?!
In contrast, look at Tichy’s comment history at MoA. It’s endlessly running cover for the Empire’s actions from a “left” perspective. “Yes, I condemn Israel’s genocide against the Palestinian people, but here’s 10 reasons why enjoying the spoils of settler colonialism is okay if there are no direct participants of land theft and slave trade alive.” Or, “Yes, I condemn the fascist Ukraine regime, but here’s 10 reasons why it’s better if Putin is toppled by a color revolution.” That commenting style reminds me of a certain Robert Lindsay, who goes, “Yes, I condemn Israel’s genocide against the Palestinian people, but here’s 10 reasons why the armed resistance defending the Palestinians from genocide should be defeated by the Israelis.”Liar. Show me where I posted ten reasons why it would be better if Putin would be toppled by a color revolution.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2024 22:14 utc | 491

Actually, show me one.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2024 23:01 utc | 492

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2024 22:14 utc | 492 & 493
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So, all your anti-Putin bullshit has caught up with you, and you are a Maoist to boot. Are you arguing that you are pro-Putin and anti-Maoist now? I am sorry, your tirade (the size of a novel) has only confused me. Time to take your nappy pills and go to bed.
Good night.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 22 2024 23:25 utc | 493

So, all your anti-Putin bullshit has caught up with you, and you are a Maoist to boot. Are you arguing that you are pro-Putin and anti-Maoist now? I am sorry, your tirade (the size of a novel) has only confused me. Time to take your nappy pills and go to bed.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 22 2024 23:25 utc | 494
Wow. I’m a Maoist and an anti-Maoist now? Try to face me head on for once. It won’t end well for you, but it might be educational.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2024 23:31 utc | 494

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2024 23:31 utc | 495
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I think most people here @ MoA will agree that we don’t know exactly what you are; but we are sure of one thing, you are a troll who hates Putin and has said so many times.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 22 2024 23:52 utc | 495

Has anyone any rational explanation for why the Lebanese Army seems to be in a coma?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2024 17:07 utc | 296
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The U.S. / Israeli plan is to replace Hezbollah with the Lebanese Army (the LAF). The LAF are todies for Israel, and the U.S. and is financed by the U.S.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/2021/09/10/biden-clears-47-million-for-lebanese-forces-but-that-doesnt-mean-theyll-receive-it/
It is my understanding that the LAF is largely composed of anti-Hezbollah Christians: The LAF is an all-volunteer force, and all three branches are operated and coordinated by the LAF Commander; a position customarily held by a Maronite Catholic Christian, from the Ministry of Defense which is located in Yarzeh, east of Lebanon’s capital, Beirut.
https://theconversation.com/lebanon-far-right-group-soldiers-of-god-is-exploiting-the-countrys-unsettled-past-to-stir-sectarian-tensions-228805

Posted by: Ed | Oct 23 2024 0:21 utc | 496

I think most people here @ MoA will agree that we don’t know exactly what you are; but we are sure of one thing, you are a troll who hates Putin and has said so many times.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 22 2024 23:52 utc | 496
Coward.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 23 2024 1:27 utc | 497

By the way, Ed, my “tirade was the size of a novel,” right? You wouldn’t say that about your useful idiot, Heaven?
Let’s compare.

“I didn’t steal Palestine from the natives. I wasn’t the one who herded Palestinians into ever-shrinking reservations. History began on October 7th.” So sayeth Tichy.
If Israel succeeded in exterminating Palestinians within the next 5 years, and 200 years from now, when none of the living Israelis can be directly connected to the genocide, Tichy would support the Israelis occupying Palestinian (and Lebanese etc.) lands.
Ah, blaming Israeli Jews first and foremost instead of the West which is funding and arming the Israeli state, without which the genocide in Gaza could not be carried out.
If someone drops a starved tiger into a crowd who then proceeds to maul several people, all will be well so long as the tiger is subdued? No attention needs to be paid to the person who starved the tiger and dropped it into the crowd?
Also, this Tichy comment is deliberately emphasizing the religious dimension of the conflict by making mention of Jesus Christ and Jews, instead of analyzing it as a settler colonial land and resource grab. What sort of historical materialist does that?
The counterpart to “sins of the father” is “wealth of the father”. Children should not be punished for their progenitors’ transgressions, and neither should they enjoy their progenitors’ ill-gotten wealth. Wealth does not refer to just resources carted away from colonies back to the imperial core, it also includes structural advantages and exploitative relationships (neo-colonialism) that the imperial core benefits from.
It’s interesting that a supposed historical materialist turns to religious language: “sins of the father”. It’s almost as if Tichy’s defense of Western colonialism belongs to the same milieu as Christian civilizing missions.
Although Tichy is defending the West’s right to enjoy imperial spoils, Tichy just couldn’t hide their Orientalism/racism by singling out a non-White member of the West, the Japanese, in a separate comment, trying to make it seem like only Asians harbor this “prejudice” (it’s not prejudice), while the free and fair-minded West rarely do. Ever applied for a job in the West and faced questions like whether you have family members working within the organization? That’s “sins of the father” for you.
Puyi, as the last Emperor of China, owned all of China. Those mean communists took all that inherited wealth away from Puyi. Puyi’s plight no doubt tugs at Tichy’s heart strings, which must be why Tichy calls communist China imperialist.
Since Thatcher did not directly participate in the signing of the unequal treaty in which Hong Kong was ceded to the UK in perpetuity and she was not alive at the time of signing, Thatcher should not inherit the “sins of the father”. She should have fought harder to keep Hong Kong a British colonial possession, right? How dare mean communist China take away the UK’s rightful property!
For a self-professed historical materialist, Tichy is certainly averse to materialist analysis.
China is not a capitalist country. It’s in the primary stage of socialism attempting to transition to communism. The existence of a market economy and the existence of capitalists in China do not make China a capitalist country, as the commanding heights of the economy are still under the control of the state, which is ruled by the Communist Party of China. The poverty alleviation efforts in China are actually overseen by grassroots Party cadres who quite literally risk life and limb (a number have died in duty) to reach desperately impoverished regions so that they can find long-lasting solutions to ending poverty that account for the specific material conditions of the regions. You won’t find such dedication in any bourgeois political party.
Even Lenin and Mao were explicit about learning from capitalists and using capitalists to achieve communist goals.
The words of Lenin: “Get down to business, all of you! You will have capitalists beside you, including foreign capitalists, concessionaires and leaseholders. They will squeeze profits out of you amounting to hundreds per cent; they will enrich themselves, operating alongside of you. Let them. Meanwhile you will learn from them the business of running the economy, and only when you do that will you be able to build up a communist republic. Since we must necessarily learn quickly, any slackness in this respect is a serious crime. And we must undergo this training, this severe, stern and sometimes even cruel training, because we have no other way out.”
The words of Mao: “The present-day capitalist economy in China is a capitalist economy which for the most part is under the control of the People’s Government and which is linked with the state-owned socialist economy in various forms and supervised by the workers. It is not an ordinary but a particular kind of capitalist economy, namely, a state-capitalist economy of a new type. It exists not chiefly to make profits for the capitalists but to meet the needs of the people and the state. True, a share of the profits produced by the workers goes to the capitalists, but that is only a small part, about one quarter, of the total. The remaining three quarters are produced for the workers (in the form of the welfare fund), for the state (in the form of income tax) and for expanding productive capacity (a small part of which produces profits for the capitalists). Therefore, this state-capitalist economy of a new type takes on a socialist character to a very great extent and benefits the workers and the state.”
If neither the words of Mao nor Lenin, the two leaders who succeeded in building long-lived and powerful communist states, satisfy you, then you’re likely an utopian socialist and not a Marxist.
“Imperialist” is a very specific term in Marxist discourse. It’s not something casually applied to any state. It requires the existence of an exploitative relationship where states in the core suck those in the periphery dry. Neither Russia and China meet that criteria, as they lacked the monopoly power to generate “superprofits” that characterize imperialist powers. At worst, they can only be described as semi-periphery. Western countries, however, do meet that criteria. Yes, that includes Nordic countries. Only dishonest “Marxists” would attempt to compare Russia or China to the US.
The majority of the screed was directed against fascist Ukraine. It’s not some scathing critique of Putin. In contrast, look at Tichy’s comment history at MoA. It’s endlessly running cover for the Empire’s actions from a “left” perspective. “Yes, I condemn Israel’s genocide against the Palestinian people, but here’s 10 reasons why enjoying the spoils of settler colonialism is okay if there are no direct participants of land theft and slave trade alive.” Or, “Yes, I condemn the fascist Ukraine regime, but here’s 10 reasons why it’s better if Putin is toppled by a color revolution.” That commenting style reminds me of a certain Robert Lindsay, who goes, “Yes, I condemn Israel’s genocide against the Palestinian people, but here’s 10 reasons why the armed resistance defending the Palestinians from genocide should be defeated by the Israelis.”
Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 22 2024 7:03 utc | 425

Vs.

All right, @All Under Heaven. Since this is a real ideological attack, albeit idiotic, I will treat it as such. You will have to forgive me for quote-warring this. I’ll go into detail. I haven’t done this in 25 years but… sure, why not.
Sure. Why not? Any other attitude towards it would amount to blaming current-day Mongols for the atrocities of Genghis Khan.
It’s not that easy, though. If the Israeli state, 200 years in the future, still celebrated the genocide of the Palestinians, it would be a different issue. If the Israeli state, 200 years in the future, shunned Palestian offspring from settling in Israel, it would be a different issue. If the Israeli state, 200 years in the future, still was a Fascist state considering the Palestinians as Untermenschen, it would be a different issue. This is akin to the situation in Ukraine. By making national heroes out of the Ukrainian Fascists, the Ukrainian state shoulders a moral responsibility for the actions of the Banderites.
I never said that the United States wasn’t to blame. You just got butthurt because I used the Israeli Jews as an example.
I turned to religous language in order to criticize it. This is upside-down world. And now it gets really silly.
No, I don’t.
No, I didn’t.
Yes, it is.
No, it doesn’t. I support Mao, you nitwit. He sucked at dialectics but he liberated the Chinese.
Are you crazy? The subjugation of China was an ongoing thing, it never stopped, and the people acting in favor of prolonged subjugation of China could reasonably have been thought to have approved the subjugation of the past.
China is a State Capitalist country.
I am quite aware of the grassroots dedication the Chinese members and how they outmatch more or less anything we do here in the degenerate West.
So a “State-Capitalist” economy isn’t a Capitalist economy.
Penning Putin as someone who rehabilitated Denikin isn’t a critique good enough for you?!
Liar. Show me where I posted ten reasons why it would be better if Putin would be toppled by a color revolution.

Do you feel adequately stupid yet?

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 23 2024 1:41 utc | 498

351 vs 1162 words…

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 23 2024 2:07 utc | 499

@ Tichy
Needlessly repeatedly shouting out ones supposed *-ism/s like some sort of badge of honor, prominently displayed, or a protective ‘Shield of Steel’, as per ‘BatFink’, always gets my Spidey sense tingling …
So are you about to claim you’re merely inebriated, yet again, hm ?

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 23 2024 3:37 utc | 500