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October 20, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-252
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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I suspect an attack on Iran will be used to disrupt the BRICS Kazan summit. Posted by: Suresh | Oct 22 2024 4:35 utc | 401 Any chance someone could put a last button on the page to scroll straight to the newest comments? Posted by: Suresh | Oct 22 2024 4:47 utc | 402 Posted by: Suresh | Oct 22 2024 4:47 utc | 403 Posted by: Forest | Oct 22 2024 4:57 utc | 403 State of emergency declared in Tel Aviv Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 22 2024 5:09 utc | 404 Hezbollah says it bombed military base south of Tel Aviv, no injuries reported Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 22 2024 5:32 utc | 405 Imran Khan AlJazeera Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 22 2024 5:38 utc | 406 Hezbollah claims attack on Haifa naval base, missile falls in Caesarea Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 22 2024 5:47 utc | 407 MenchOsint Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:47 utc | 408 Khalissee Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:48 utc | 409 sarah Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:49 utc | 410 Lord Bebo Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:51 utc | 411 Zara Rahim Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:52 utc | 412 Dr. Jennifer Cassidy Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:53 utc | 413 Charlie Herbert Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:53 utc | 414 Mohammad Alsaafin Posted by: Menz | Oct 22 2024 5:55 utc | 415 Menz, Posted by: Exile | Oct 22 2024 6:17 utc | 416 Seems like after the Sinwar killing that many of the Hamas fighters are just giving up. Surrendering? What’s up with that? I thought this war was going to be Israel’s demise? Posted by: malenkov | Oct 22 2024 6:18 utc | 417 Posted by: Suresh | Oct 22 2024 4:47 utc | 403 Posted by: Suresh | Oct 22 2024 6:22 utc | 418 Has anyone any rational explanation for why the Lebanese Army seems to be in a coma? Posted by: Autumn | Oct 22 2024 6:22 utc | 419 https://x.com/ainiladra/status/1847896774322626781 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 22 2024 6:25 utc | 420 ‘I was Left No Choice’ – Palestinians used as Human Shields by Israeli Forces in Gaza Posted by: Exile | Oct 22 2024 6:26 utc | 421 ‘Everyone not dead or injured is mentally damaged’: Israeli army hit by silent crisis Posted by: Exile | Oct 22 2024 6:34 utc | 422 Jonathan W 363 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 22 2024 6:37 utc | 423
“I didn’t steal Palestine from the natives. I wasn’t the one who herded Palestinians into ever-shrinking reservations. History began on October 7th.” So sayeth Tichy.
Ah, blaming Israeli Jews first and foremost instead of the West which is funding and arming the Israeli state, without which the genocide in Gaza could not be carried out.
The counterpart to “sins of the father” is “wealth of the father”. Children should not be punished for their progenitors’ transgressions, and neither should they enjoy their progenitors’ ill-gotten wealth. Wealth does not refer to just resources carted away from colonies back to the imperial core, it also includes structural advantages and exploitative relationships (neo-colonialism) that the imperial core benefits from.
China is not a capitalist country. It’s in the primary stage of socialism attempting to transition to communism. The existence of a market economy and the existence of capitalists in China do not make China a capitalist country, as the commanding heights of the economy are still under the control of the state, which is ruled by the Communist Party of China. The poverty alleviation efforts in China are actually overseen by grassroots Party cadres who quite literally risk life and limb (a number have died in duty) to reach desperately impoverished regions so that they can find long-lasting solutions to ending poverty that account for the specific material conditions of the regions. You won’t find such dedication in any bourgeois political party.
“Imperialist” is a very specific term in Marxist discourse. It’s not something casually applied to any state. It requires the existence of an exploitative relationship where states in the core suck those in the periphery dry. Neither Russia and China meet that criteria, as they lacked the monopoly power to generate “superprofits” that characterize imperialist powers. At worst, they can only be described as semi-periphery. Western countries, however, do meet that criteria. Yes, that includes Nordic countries. Only dishonest “Marxists” would attempt to compare Russia or China to the US.
The majority of the screed was directed against fascist Ukraine. It’s not some scathing critique of Putin. In contrast, look at Tichy’s comment history at MoA. It’s endlessly running cover for the Empire’s actions from a “left” perspective. “Yes, I condemn Israel’s genocide against the Palestinian people, but here’s 10 reasons why enjoying the spoils of settler colonialism is okay if there are no direct participants of land theft and slave trade alive.” Or, “Yes, I condemn the fascist Ukraine regime, but here’s 10 reasons why it’s better if Putin is toppled by a color revolution.” That commenting style reminds me of a certain Robert Lindsay, who goes, “Yes, I condemn Israel’s genocide against the Palestinian people, but here’s 10 reasons why the armed resistance defending the Palestinians from genocide should be defeated by the Israelis.” Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 22 2024 7:03 utc | 424 My appraisal of Tichy’s comments, the short version: Every time they flash their communist credentials, one should treat it as when another barfly, Robert Lindsay, flash their journalistic credentials. Rather than letting the substance of their arguments speak for themselves, they attempt to give their arguments authority using their credentials. Their comments mostly boil down to, “I’m not a racist, but …”, where their self-professed expertise in Marxism or journalism stand in for the “not a racist” part to make the more naive readers swallow the part that comes after “but”, which is typically some counter-revolutionary dross. Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 22 2024 7:05 utc | 425 Charlie Herbert Posted by: Ново З | Oct 22 2024 7:13 utc | 426
The genocide can only be carried out with the continued supply of American funding and weapons. To stop the genocide in the quickest way possible, America must be militarily attacked. America is a nuclear nation and it is also protected by two oceans and two bordering states that would never dream of acting militarily against America. An amphibious invasion is out of the question even for the entirety of the Global South’s military might. China can defeat America in China’s vicinity but not take the fight to America’s heartland itself. All of China’s naval build-up is only for retaking tiny Taiwan, and only for when all peaceful options have been exhausted. Therefore, the only feasible option to quickly take out America is to nuke the US. Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 22 2024 7:14 utc | 427 @All under heaven Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2024 7:17 utc | 428 as Iran launches its retaliatory strikes, remember that Israel’s military headquarters are intentionally located in the middle of civilian areas in Tel Aviv, which by the Israeli regime’s own standard and actions in Gaza makes everyone there “human shields” and legitimate targets Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 7:23 utc | 429 It’s not a coincidence that the most pro Israel Muslim countries in the middle east, Jordan and Egypt, are also the highest recipients of US funding. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Oct 22 2024 7:26 utc | 430 State of emergency declared in Tel Aviv Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 7:30 utc | 431 Gaza News Platform Posted by: JB | Oct 22 2024 8:24 utc | 432 “If each of these Islamic countries fired just one missile per day at the entity, the number would exceed 1,500 missiles per month, forcing it to stop its aggression and massacre of the innocent,” Akram al-Kaabi, secretary general of Harakat Hezbollah al-Nujaba, Iraq. Posted by: JB | Oct 22 2024 8:39 utc | 433 https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1848620387463999773 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 22 2024 9:11 utc | 434 428 AllUnderHeaven. “… let’s nuke America. That will invite a retaliatory strike, so I guess what I’m saying is: Let’s nuke everyone. Nuclear martyrdom and genocide for all.” Gaza needs help, NOW! Posted by: JB | Oct 22 2024 10:30 utc | 436 The fate of Gaza will be the fate of all nations and there will be no rescue from it. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 10:45 utc | 437 Philippe Lazzarini, head of the UN agency for Palestine refugees (Unrwa), has urgently called for a pause in the fighting in northern Gaza to enable humanitarian aid to reach civilians trapped there. Posted by: JB | Oct 22 2024 10:47 utc | 438 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 7:30 utc | 432 “Attacks on Tel Aviv are usually what cause Israel to cry “uncle” in my experience.” Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 22 2024 10:50 utc | 439 Posted by: Exile | Oct 22 2024 6:34 utc | 423 “The rule of thumb is attackers suffer 10:1 casualties in such assaults on fortresses.” Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 22 2024 11:20 utc | 440 “My appraisal of Tichy’s comments, the short version: Every time they flash their communist credentials, one should treat it as when another barfly, Robert Lindsay, flash their journalistic credentials. Rather than letting the substance of their arguments speak for themselves, they attempt to give their arguments authority using their credentials. Their comments mostly boil down to, “I’m not a racist, but …”, where their self-professed expertise in Marxism or journalism stand in for the “not a racist” part to make the more naïve readers swallow the part that comes after “but”, which is typically some counter-revolutionary dross.” The Biden administration has approved the deployment of 1,000 CIA-trained private mercenaries as part of a joint U.S.-Israeli plan to turn Gaza’s apocalyptic rubblescape into a high-tech dystopia. Posted by: ld | Oct 22 2024 11:25 utc | 442 10:1. I recall that that was the ratio of soldiers needed for an offense against an enemy already entrenched in a fortified defense position ,stated in a discussion (by someone) about Ukraine war. I have been stating that the detailed Hamas manual for their mass jail break,
Posted by: librul | Oct 22 2024 11:52 utc | 444 Can you supply some past times when that happened? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 12:03 utc | 445 Israel Cancelled Plans For Earlier Strike on Iran After Key Documents Leak – Reports Posted by: Newbie | Oct 22 2024 12:17 utc | 446 Nobody misunderstands, Posted by: Jane | Oct 22 2024 12:26 utc | 447 If you look closely, they are mostly women, children and frail elderly. Men are taken away, arrested? executed? Posted by: teri | Oct 22 2024 12:34 utc | 448 Lebanon: Posted by: teri | Oct 22 2024 12:41 utc | 449 According to the reports that have gotten out of northern Gaza, the men and boys are being arrested. But who knows what happens to them after they are led away. I suspect killed. . . . Posted by: Jane | Oct 22 2024 12:41 utc | 450 The principle of the Outer and Inner Leadership in Resistance Movements: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 12:45 utc | 451 After all, Palestinian men contain sperm and that means more Palestinians in the future. Posted by: teri | Oct 22 2024 12:50 utc | 452 Hezbollah declares responsibility for the Caesaria operation. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 12:52 utc | 453 The fate of Gaza will be the fate of all nations and there will be no rescue from it. Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 13:01 utc | 454 That is truly prophetic, man. Have you had these visions since childhood? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 13:22 utc | 455 Arch Bungle is an honorary Palestinian freedom fighter. He dreams and prays about Israel’s demise for years now. Don’t mind him. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 13:29 utc | 456 Clearly something I said got the hasbarats all worked up tonight … Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 13:32 utc | 457 @ ld | Oct 22 2024 11:25 utc | 443 Posted by: teri | Oct 22 2024 13:38 utc | 458 If the ICJ mattered, Israel would have torn down the West Bank Wall and taken Hamas to court, neither of which they did. Just more copium. Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 13:49 utc | 459 One of the ugliest details I have heard from the international doctors who report what they have seen during thier duties in Gaza is the shooting of young men in the genitals. Many doctors say that they saw so many of these wounds that it could not be accidental. The IDF does it so the teens who are shot this way will never be able to have children. Posted by: malenkov | Oct 22 2024 13:55 utc | 460 The child-murderer army is very very good bombing disarming civilians; sniping children in the head; torturing and raping detained people; starving the population, nefating medicines, burning hundreds of people alive in tents, bombing hospitals full of medics, patients; bombing anyone who try to help the palestinian with food even american nationals; destroying water tratment plants; mosques; refugees centers, churchs, schools, levelling whole cities and villages and at the end treating the Palestinian people similar as the germans treated the jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. Posted by: Dave | Oct 22 2024 14:15 utc | 461 Not coincidentally, perhaps, there’s no shortage of reports that the Ukronazis treat their Russian POWs in the same way. Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 22 2024 14:21 utc | 462 The child-murderer army is very very good Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 14:23 utc | 463 or Hamas you are talking about. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 14:40 utc | 464 Colonel Ehsan Daqsa, commander of the IDF’s 401st Brigade, has reportedly become the most senior Israeli officer killed by Palestinian resistance fighters since ground operations began in Gaza. He was killed in a precise attack in Jabalia, northern Gaza, when an explosive device struck his Merkava tank. Daqsa had been leading a brutal siege and bombing campaign in northern Gaza for the past 17 days, affecting over 400,000 Palestinians. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2024 14:41 utc | 465 Compare: Posted by: Passerby | Oct 22 2024 14:42 utc | 466 The plan for Northern Gaza. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2024 14:47 utc | 467 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 22 2024 14:47 utc | 469 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 15:02 utc | 468 Here Mahmoud Od presents a picture of a burned out IDF/IOF military transport vehicle in South Lebanon: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 15:16 utc | 469 “I suspect an attack on Iran will be used to disrupt the BRICS Kazan summit.” Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 15:17 utc | 470 Posted by: Suresh | Oct 22 2024 4:35 utc | 402 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 15:23 utc | 471 REPEAT! DIRE EMERGENCY!!! Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 15:25 utc | 472 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 15:23 utc | 473 Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 15:29 utc | 473 (et al.) How does the US election relate to their timing? I think before it. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 15:35 utc | 474 There was an interesting segment on pressTV yesterday, that reported on The British government giving millions of pounds to comfort Jewish university students, but when they delved into this “charities” they are Is reali propaganda organs that attempt to funnel Jewish students in occupied Palestine, with promises of land, home ect… with the kicker that they have to spend a 18 months policing (slaughtering) Palestinas.. So it appears the Bristish tax payers are paying for the indoctrination of jewish students to be soldiers of the empire. Posted by: dp | Oct 22 2024 15:43 utc | 475 Gilbert Dortorow says that the timing of the Israeli attack will tell us who is in charge. If they attack in the next few days it’s because the US wants it. In my opinion it’s better for them to wait until after. So he definitely has a good point there. We shall see. Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 15:44 utc | 476 Barflies might appreciate this post:
https://mariannebergvall.substack.com/p/israels-mentally-deranged-wars-are Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 22 2024 15:55 utc | 477 Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 22 2024 7:03 utc | 425 Confession: Have not followed Tichy’s comments enough to judge definitively whether the attack here is objective, reads context. I can’t endorse Tichy personally, therefore. That said, this stood out: Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 22 2024 16:08 utc | 478 Arch, Posted by: Exile | Oct 22 2024 16:15 utc | 480 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 22 2024 15:55 utc | 478 Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 16:27 utc | 481 Israeli Public Media is Posting the Jabalia Death March As The Ultimate Victory Picture of Israel’s Genocide. Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 22 2024 16:54 utc | 482 Disgusting and stomach-churning; I don’t know how anyone can even think of doing such things, much less actually carry them out. Posted by: Jane | Oct 22 2024 17:04 utc | 483 Today’s summary from the friendly Hezbollah newsdesk:
It’s been a busy day. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 17:06 utc | 484 Meditation 1: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 17:13 utc | 485 Fascinating how the (foreign owned) Political Establishment in the UK and elsewhere will — despite the massacres and genocide they’re not only watching but actively assisting in — all still grovel, wail and bleat when it comes to the Zionists’ so-called “holocaust remembrance day”. Gloating hypocrisy, whether bought or real delusion, at its very worst. Posted by: Cynic | Oct 22 2024 17:15 utc | 486 I’ve arrived at a similar conclusion to Bergvall’s: . . . Posted by: Jane | Oct 22 2024 17:16 utc | 487 – No sign Hezbollah running out of missiles or capability to deploy them, regardless of the IDF/IOF presence in Southern Lebanon. This can go on indefinitely, as it has proven possible before. The israelis are cooking slowly, but they are cooking. Posted by: Jane | Oct 22 2024 17:20 utc | 488 Jane 488 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 22 2024 17:31 utc | 489 Colonial Outcasts Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 22 2024 17:57 utc | 490 All right, @All Under Heaven. Since this is a real ideological attack, albeit idiotic, I will treat it as such. You will have to forgive me for quote-warring this. I’ll go into detail. I haven’t done this in 25 years but… sure, why not.
Sure. Why not? Any other attitude towards it would amount to blaming current-day Mongols for the atrocities of Genghis Khan.
I never said that the United States wasn’t to blame. You just got butthurt because I used the Israeli Jews as an example.
I turned to religous language in order to criticize it. This is upside-down world.
No, I don’t.
No, I didn’t.
Yes, it is.
No, it doesn’t. I support Mao, you nitwit. He sucked at dialectics but he liberated the Chinese.
Are you crazy? The subjugation of China was an ongoing thing, it never stopped, and the people acting in favor of prolonged subjugation of China could reasonably have been thought to have approved the subjugation of the past.
China is a State Capitalist country.
I am quite aware of the grassroots dedication the Chinese members and how they outmatch more or less anything we do here in the degenerate West.
So a “State-Capitalist” economy isn’t a Capitalist economy.
Penning Putin as someone who rehabilitated Denikin isn’t a critique good enough for you?! Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2024 22:14 utc | 491 Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2024 22:14 utc | 492 & 493 Posted by: Ed | Oct 22 2024 23:25 utc | 493 So, all your anti-Putin bullshit has caught up with you, and you are a Maoist to boot. Are you arguing that you are pro-Putin and anti-Maoist now? I am sorry, your tirade (the size of a novel) has only confused me. Time to take your nappy pills and go to bed. Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2024 23:31 utc | 494 Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2024 23:31 utc | 495 Posted by: Ed | Oct 22 2024 23:52 utc | 495 Has anyone any rational explanation for why the Lebanese Army seems to be in a coma? Posted by: Ed | Oct 23 2024 0:21 utc | 496 I think most people here @ MoA will agree that we don’t know exactly what you are; but we are sure of one thing, you are a troll who hates Putin and has said so many times. Posted by: Tichy | Oct 23 2024 1:27 utc | 497 By the way, Ed, my “tirade was the size of a novel,” right? You wouldn’t say that about your useful idiot, Heaven?
Vs.
Do you feel adequately stupid yet? Posted by: Tichy | Oct 23 2024 1:41 utc | 498 |
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