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October 20, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-252
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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Traitors brought down the whole Soviet Union. I suspect at least some Marxists were left just before the collapse. Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 17:36 utc | 301 US envoy Hochstein is back in Lebanon with the explicit purpose of imposing UNSC1701 or, more to the point, imposing a peculiar interpretation of 1701 which enforces all limitation on Hezbollah and removes all obligation from Israel. This follows statements by US ambassador to Lebanon which anticipate the entire dismantling of Hezbollah both militarily and politically. The United States and Israel intend to revert Lebanon back to the 1980s with a sectarian Israel-friendly military dictatorship running the country. A “ceasefire”, or rather a temporary halt to Israel’s air strikes against Lebanese soft targets, is being offered in return. Posted by: jayc | Oct 21 2024 17:37 utc | 302 Al Manar live feed for prior 20 hours: Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 17:39 utc | 303 he idea of the October 7 attack was the worst miscalculation of the century, in addition to being a crime in its own right, which is too soon forgotten by Israel’s sworn enemies Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2024 17:40 utc | 304 ‘Flagrant Violation’ – Israel Demolishes UNIFIL Observation Tower in Southern Lebanon Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 17:46 utc | 305 ‘Due to Urgent Need’ – In First, Israeli Army Outsources Repair of Tanks Damaged in Gaza Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 17:49 utc | 306 “I think a full strength IDF armor division has 300 Merkavas. We’ll see how many the 91st loses over the next couple of days. Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 21 2024 17:49 utc | 307 But Hamas has confirmed he is dead. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/18/hamas-confirms-leader-yahya-sinwar-killed-in-combat-in-gaza-by-israeli-army Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 17:50 utc | 308 ‘Flagrant Violation’ – Israel Demolishes UNIFIL Observation Tower in Southern Lebanon Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 17:53 utc | 309 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2024 14:09 utc | 258 “killed Sinwar “by accident”.” Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 21 2024 18:04 utc | 310 Posted by: Tichy | Oct 20 2024 21:09 utc | 112 Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 18:08 utc | 311
Posted by: Arch Bungle – 296 Posted by: Jaqueson | Oct 21 2024 18:08 utc | 312 Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2024 14:09 utc | 258 Posted by: fanto | Oct 21 2024 18:10 utc | 313 Actually I think I may be wrong here so strike that. It’s clear that the United States is the Imperialist superpower. The current conflict stems from the US against other Capitalist centers such as Russia and China. Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 18:12 utc | 314 Isreal is just a proxy of monopoly capital of the west. Death to the Anglo American empire is the correct solution. Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 18:21 utc | 315
I do recall my last posts were around three to four years ago during the first months of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict; though then I decided to keep my thoughts to myself and read the posts here for a while, then left as I had other things on my mind. Posted by: Arctaroll | Oct 21 2024 18:32 utc | 316 313 – The Lebanese army was probably the weakest of the Arab state armies in the 1948 war, it was almost non-existent when US Marines (one of them the future actor Hervey Keitel) landed in the country, and it pretty much disintegrated along religious lines in the 1975-6 civil war. Never much of a force. Posted by: Waldorf | Oct 21 2024 18:35 utc | 317 1,200 IDF “Tanks” on Lebanese Border ? Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 18:49 utc | 318 Zero Hedge article: Posted by: Carl | Oct 21 2024 18:50 utc | 319 Oh and by the way, @Ed, I could have respected you if you didn’t tell me I wasn’t a Marxist, I wasn’t a worker and I was a CIA troll. Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 18:53 utc | 320 Gaza/Lebanon War Day 380/34 Sitrep: Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 21 2024 19:04 utc | 321 “The loyal son of the land, Youssef Abu Rabie, ascended this afternoon, faithful to his positions and ideas. He planted the barren land and revived the barren soul. He plowed, sowed, watered, bore fruit and prospered. When the time of testing came, he dyed the fertile land that never ages with his blood. Posted by: Ornot | Oct 21 2024 19:07 utc | 322 Oh and by the way, @Ed, I could have respected you if you didn’t tell me I wasn’t a Marxist, I wasn’t a worker and I was a CIA troll. Posted by: Ново З | Oct 21 2024 19:22 utc | 323 UN says urgent request to allow access to Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza to help rescue people trapped under the rubble has been denied by Israel for the fourth consecutive day. A separate request to deliver food, water and fuel was also denied by Israel Posted by: teri | Oct 21 2024 19:23 utc | 324 Who Said Americans Have No Dark Sense of Humor? Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 21 2024 19:24 utc | 325 Re: “Has anyone any rational explanation for why the Lebanese Army seems to be in a coma?” Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 21 2024 19:25 utc | 326 But you are one of the unfortunate who think consuming alcohol is some kind of desirable activity. Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 19:29 utc | 327 An RAF Typhoon from Akrotiri just “went dark” near the Syrian border, flying in Turkish airspace ENE of Iskenderun. As chance would have it, a KC2 tanker is flying just north or the Syrian border, heading east. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 21 2024 19:41 utc | 328 It must be bad, media has gone total blackout mode. Already pretending it didn’t happen while it is happening. Posted by: Rae | Oct 21 2024 19:42 utc | 329 https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/unifil-vows-stay-lebanon-despite-several-deliberate-israeli-attacks-2024-10-18/ Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 19:47 utc | 330 It is very difficult to ascertain Israel’s actual war front status owing to the exceptional levels of military censorship, to say nothing of the outright murder of journalists in Gaza, Lebanon, West Bank and even in Israel itself. Also, a paucity of information on outbound emigration of both people and money, real time financial status and most important state of armaments. Some pundits predict that Israel is rapidly moving to an irremediable situation (with others indicating they are already there). US/UK are essentially bankrupt – US sends billions in aide (not one THAAD but two!) which is not sustainable for a country which now spends one trillion in debt interest alone. With accession of BRICS’ emphasis on use of local, non dollar currencies and replacement of the SWIFT system, dedollarization will accelerate at high speeds. Count on serious blow back from the “deplorables” when hyperinflation ensues, unemployment spirals to double digits and public services such as public safety, health care and education erode to exceptional levels of non service. When the big hegemon and the little hegemon are destroying themselves at break neck speed, none of the Axis of Resistance are going to give both hegemons what they most need – World War III which distracts from the horrific war crimes being committed in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon and Syria; gives opportunity for financial “reset” under the guise of war time economy and pivots to austerity for all. Finally, under a war time footing, civil liberties can be suspended, never to return. Quoting many wise heads – “Be careful what you wish for.” Posted by: Ново З | Oct 21 2024 19:50 utc | 331 Israeli settlers are ready to move to Gaza “now”, they said today. Hmmm. Really? Do they realize that there are tens of thousands of dead bodies there? Asbestos and concrete dust filling the air? Unexploded ordinance ready to explode on the unwary? Posted by: teri | Oct 21 2024 19:51 utc | 332 An RAF Typhoon from Akrotiri just “went dark” near the Syrian border, flying in Turkish airspace ENE of Iskenderun. As chance would have it, a KC2 tanker is flying just north or the Syrian border, heading east. Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 19:54 utc | 333 I think Putin et al have a very deep abhorrence for the killing of the innocent and know it can not be stopped by going down the same extemination path. Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 19:56 utc | 334 Posted by: Tichy | Oct 21 2024 19:54 utc | 334 Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 21 2024 20:13 utc | 335 Planes have transponders which signal their location and identity, which means you can see them on apps like Flightradar24.com Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 21 2024 20:15 utc | 336 https://www.unz.com/runz/the-total-madness-of-the-state-of-israel/ Posted by: burak | Oct 21 2024 20:15 utc | 337 Yahya Sinwar in his own words – Posted by: JB | Oct 21 2024 20:18 utc | 338 teri 325 – The scale of Israeli atrocities against defenseless, harmless, starving Palestinian civilians reminds of shades of the Bataan death march…….go for water get bayoneted, beg for food get shot…..the level of evil displayed by IDF forces in the field in shooting and killing civilians dying of thirst is pathological…………..is the ICC paying attention…….. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 21 2024 20:28 utc | 339 302 Tichy. “Post-Modernism: the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism” by Fredrick Jameson. The title says it. Decided not to post earlier on Hezballah being ‘accused’ of having infrastructure (banking) under a hospital in Beirut, as I thought they would not strike there. Now they struck somewhere off the entrance to a hospital, presumably the one mentioned previously : Posted by: Ornot | Oct 21 2024 20:48 utc | 341 Posted by: Dave | Oct 21 2024 17:22 utc | 301 Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 21 2024 21:16 utc | 342 it would then target Russia for severe retaliation, an astonishing threat to make against the country possessing the world’s largest nuclear arsenal. Posted by: Dave | Oct 21 2024 21:18 utc | 343 burak 338 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 21 2024 21:30 utc | 344 The Israelis are.starting an invasion of Lebanon in the middle of the night? Does darkness give the attackers any advantage? Posted by: Lysias | Oct 21 2024 21:33 utc | 345 I think Putin et al have a very deep abhorrence for the killing of the innocent and know it can not be stopped by going down the same extemination path. Posted by: Ново З | Oct 21 2024 21:35 utc | 346 Yes, the miscalculation of the century. On the part of Iran and its puppets. Or are you saying Iran has no puppets? Posted by: Dave | Oct 21 2024 21:40 utc | 347 Posted by: burak | Oct 21 2024 20:15 utc | 338 Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 21 2024 21:40 utc | 348 Posted by: Dave | Oct 21 2024 21:40 utc | 348 Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 21 2024 21:44 utc | 349 I have not been able to follow this thread, so excuse me if this is a duplicate:
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/34357 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 21 2024 21:44 utc | 350 316 Tichy. Regarding Diana Johnstone article in Consortium New which you referenced: @ Tobias Cole | Oct 21 2024 20:28 utc | 340 Posted by: teri | Oct 21 2024 21:46 utc | 352 Hey all…first post here from a longtime lurker. This whole thing in the Holy Land might be getting a bit worrisome to some of the more frequent commenters here. Seems like after the Sinwar killing that many of the Hamas fighters are just giving up. Surrendering? What’s up with that? I thought this war was going to be Israel’s demise? Posted by: MikeMikeTango | Oct 21 2024 21:46 utc | 353 Jonathan W 343 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 21 2024 21:49 utc | 354 israel is a total criminal enterprise, a mafia-terrorist nation-state, Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 21 2024 21:50 utc | 355 Posted by: Outraged | Oct 21 2024 16:03 utc | 285 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Oct 21 2024 21:53 utc | 356 Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2024 15:59 utc | 282 Posted by: Cynic | Oct 21 2024 21:57 utc | 357 Seven Israelis Accused Of Giving Info To Iran On Targeted IDF Bases Posted by: Delhiliterally | Oct 21 2024 21:58 utc | 358 Jonathan W 350 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 21 2024 21:59 utc | 359 It’s not just Israel that is exposed as a criminal enrerprise. So is the US. Posted by: Lysias | Oct 21 2024 21:59 utc | 360 these are not idle words by Iran, either Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 21 2024 22:08 utc | 361 It was not a mistake to provoke the illegal occupiers of Palestine because the whole world is now seeing their and their US sponsors’ callous inhumanity which was hidden before, except to Palestinians. Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 21 2024 22:10 utc | 362 Canadians’ Demand For Change Could Work To Israel’s Benefit Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 21 2024 22:16 utc | 363
I support most part of your comment and the valid question you raise about the moral standards of Brics leaders, but I am afraid you are getting too emotional. Posted by: Framarz | Oct 21 2024 22:22 utc | 364 The Libertarian Institute brought the following article: Posted by: WMG | Oct 21 2024 22:51 utc | 365 – Here are the israeli plans for Gaza: Posted by: WMG | Oct 21 2024 22:54 utc | 366 I’m having a hard time following things. The Main Stream Media keeps on telling the world that Israel is winning the war. Yet many of the alternative commenters (like Scott Ritter) go as far as to say that this war will be Israel’s demise. I think many of the commenters here agree with the latter sentiment. But then I see how the Israelis are running all over Gaza, barely opposed. They killed off practically the entire Hamas hierarchy, and did the same to the Hezbollah hierarchy. Now we have reports of Hamas fighters simply surrendering in small groups. What’s giving here? Looks like the Israelis are moving forward to the big win! Posted by: MikeMikeTango | Oct 21 2024 23:09 utc | 367 Is political leadership in both US and Canada to be determined by which accomplice can suck Zionist genocide state cock better? Don’t vote for either. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Oct 21 2024 23:18 utc | 368 to teri, exile, miachael72: thanks for posting facts. I just read in zero hedge that the Izzyhelliess have bombed Beirut again including massive strikes near hospitals. The images of the Gaza refugee families burned alive in their tents are etched in my brain. Izzyhell is a rabid dog pack or a bunch of sharks in a feeding frenzy….blood blood and more blood. Sadists. There aren’t enough words.. Rabid dogs are put down. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Oct 21 2024 23:18 utc | 369 “Hezbollah has been decapitated and Hamas fighters surrendering.” Yeah, and you think that the resistance crumbles just like that? Is that because you think they are so stupid they don’t know how to operate without a figurehead? Be serious MikeMikeTango. I think you’re a troll, go away. Posted by: CrazyTrain | Oct 21 2024 23:18 utc | 370 Nobody cared about the official loss, supposedly in exercises, of a growler crew from the Eisenhower? Posted by: Newbie | Oct 21 2024 23:19 utc | 371 Marc Miller @ Press Conference 10/17/24 talking about Yahya Sinwar: Posted by: Ed | Oct 21 2024 23:20 utc | 372 CrazyTrain: no, I think you misunderstand. I’m just really confused. I always take the MMM’s representations with a grain of salt. But Israel is basically running all over Gaza, laying waste to everything, busting up all those massive tunnels; killing all the Hamas hierarchy. From a neutral perspective, it would seem that the Palestinians aren’t doing so well. Looks the same with the Hezbollah organization. I really don’t see anything that tells me that the Israeli’s are taking a beating or are in any jeopardy to loosing this war. Posted by: MikeMikeTango | Oct 21 2024 23:27 utc | 373 @356 michaelj72 Posted by: Ornot | Oct 21 2024 23:31 utc | 374 This caught my attention: Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 22 2024 0:06 utc | 375 The 7 October Uprising was the most glorious expression of the human spirit in it’s right to be free ever seen since the Tet Offensive. Posted by: Jane | Oct 22 2024 0:32 utc | 376
Let me help you see something. Posted by: Framarz | Oct 22 2024 0:44 utc | 377 ttps://x.com/eyuplovely/status/1847774808194310541 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 22 2024 0:47 utc | 378 Been a rough day. Posted by: simon crow | Oct 22 2024 1:01 utc | 379 CrazyTrain: no, I think you misunderstand. Posted by: jr | Oct 22 2024 1:06 utc | 380 Regardless of whether October 7 was a trap or not, Hamas walked right into it. Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 1:07 utc | 381 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 22 2024 0:06 utc | 376 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 22 2024 1:09 utc | 382 @368 Posted by: paddy | Oct 22 2024 1:14 utc | 383 See US experience in Vietnam from 1965, won every engagement for 8 of 10 years until tossed ignominiously in 1975. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 1:52 utc | 384 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 1:52 utc | 385 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 1:53 utc | 385 Even the Iranian missile strikes were reported to have killed one Palestinian, no-one else. In the fog of war do NOT fall for your own propaganda. Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2024 1:57 utc | 386 Recommended: Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 22 2024 1:59 utc | 387 Blowing up Israeli Explosives – Resistance Roundup – Day 381 Posted by: Exile | Oct 22 2024 2:12 utc | 388 @ Tichy Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 2:20 utc | 389 📍Channel 14: Posted by: jayc | Oct 22 2024 2:28 utc | 390 Here’s the 250ish page book as either a PDF or an EPUB. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 2:55 utc | 393 Copium Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 2:55 utc | 394 60,000 people were evacuated in Haifa which has a population of nearly 300,000. The reason was the blazing fire in the surrounding bush areas, which was suspected to have been started by arsonists. Russia and Turkey rushed to help. What didn’t they bomb the city as soon as they had the chance? Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 3:07 utc | 395 Any chance someone could put a last button on the page to scroll straight to the newest comments? Posted by: , | Oct 22 2024 3:19 utc | 396 I really don’t see anything that tells me that the Israeli’s are taking a beating or are in any jeopardy to loosing this war.
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And when you’re done answering those I have another page of 20 for you and your doomer friends to level up on. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 3:24 utc | 397 Sounds like you’re doing most of the coping here, doomer. Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 22 2024 3:25 utc | 398 Alastair Crooke Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 22 2024 3:26 utc | 399 Sure, you can tell me I was wrong after the rapid reaction force of 40,000 men have come to liberate Palestine any day now. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2024 3:30 utc | 400 |
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