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Palestine Open Thread 2024-247
A relevant tweet:
Prof Francois Balloux @BallouxFrancois – 10:13 UTC · Oct 16, 2024
Healthy adults might survive 30 days without food. Children can't, and they suffer irreversible physical and mental harm after days of starvation.
This 30 day delay is compounded by the fact that no food has reached northern Gaza in October, according to the UN.
The Associated Press @AP · 20h
BREAKING: The Biden administration warns Israel it must boost humanitarian aid into Gaza within 30 days or risk weapons funding. https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-humanitarian-aid-blinken-austin..
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
Posted by: Cabe | Oct 16 2024 23:10 utc | 85
they(Iranian governed people) are not very happy with the caesaropapism that has established itself there. And if that continues, eventually the clerical state rulers will lose all religious credibility and find their erstwhile followers have migrated to a different religion or sect or practice.
<=I have no facts but the course of your comment (substance repeated above) suggest the following:
Empire Zionism is about a continuous selection process accommodated by various means, even use of force or rule of law when needed, that pushes to the top of every economic system in every place the most greedy people the governed system can produce. Earlier on MoA I answered a post as follows.. (i have changed the answer a bit and expanded its content) but included in the early part of this post because it is important background to understand my post.
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 17 2023 2:52 utc | 369
Zionism is billed as a secular 'political' movement but of course is driven by deeply held belief in Biblical Prophesy for their tribal God's Chosen People, a disturbing blend of religion and worldly ambition.
my understanding is that Zionism is billed as a religion because
1. the laws of many nations prohibit discrimination over religion and grant special social and tax free privileges to its practitioners..
2. because billed as a religion the Zionist could preach [solicit] to prospects and
3. during WWII it was a label given to a group of Jews, who abused German Jewish communities by partnering with Hitler to relocate Jewish Germans, Hungarians, and Polish persons to Palestine. but Zionism is Zionism, and it rears its ugly head everywhere in all religions, among all colors and races, as it is the story of war the greedy conduct against the non greedy.
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Zionism is an empire [Empire Zionism (EZ)]. Its long, often hidden arms, can be found in every nation in the world, in every large corporation, and in most domestic and international institutions which means it grows in parallel within and between each governed system; it has no identifiable leader, but the leaders of these governed organizations are highly visible.
Zionism can be modeled as an infective virus; it infects, then because it is self-organizing externally and self-regulated internally, it takes possession of everything in sight. At first it struggles (like a virus) to invade its host, but once inside the host, it competes with its host for nutrients wealth and the factors of commerce that lead to wealth) and alters host metabolism to favorably benefit the invader, this benefit evolves by selection based on the goal of the invader. Eventually the host metabolism becomes a slave to the virus.
From this virus (greedy person) : host (governed organization) analogy I suggest an ideology. I call that ideology Empire Zionism. To fight this menace, the world needs something? I continue to say there will be no peace in the world unless and until the governed people of the world force a 2nd government on all of systems of governance within the nation state system. To be effective the solution must incorporate all systems of governance.
The 2nd government would govern the activities of those persons who are in privity to traditional governments, traditional corporations and traditional institutions, in short any organization that has a system of governance needs a 2nd government oversight. Most organizations are licensed by the state to exist; hence they are part of the state, all assets of whatever kind belong to the state, hence private assets are still part of the state so private licenses issued by the state entitle beneficiaries of these licenses to claim private ownership, so they are subject to 2nd government scrutiny.
Every man, women and child who is not part of the traditional government or one of its extensions, would belong to the 2nd government; membership is automatic (2nd government same as the Audit government). Its function would be to audit the activities of everyone who has authority to plan, act or participate in the name of a system of governance [in charge of or as a part of a system of governance] anywhere. everyone would be informed everywhere about governing activities of those who govern.
The objective would be to be sure no one can use a system of governance to plan, participate in, or execute a function of the organization that would violate someone’s human rights. Its immaterial to this what else the government does.
(Must make sure no one can use governance over an organization as a means to violate someone’s human rights).
Human rights include the right to self determination, to life, to liberty and to pursuit of happiness,
Obvious examples might include planning or conducting Wars, engaging in corruption, engaging in privatizations(converting public asset or public functions into privately-owned or privately-managed asset or function, or to use the system of governance to deceive or to allow others to deceive ( by any means ) anyone anywhere anytime. All of these things are violations of human rights for which there is not now anyway to achieve accountability by those who govern to those who are the governed.
Someone must police the people who staff these systems of governance. In order to enforce human rights. some system of punishing infringement on human rights will need to be instituted. Hence the 2nd (or Audit) government.
Posted by: Saul Goode | Oct 17 2024 2:19 utc | 104
They are in the act of forcing the world’s nations into a war of such magnitude and turmoil and duration that what they are saying and doing will no longer matter any more.
Their current criminality will be insignificant by comparison with their planned “end state”. The result of what they plan will cause such disruption and destruction of the status quo that all forms of international law and retribution against them will be swept away and what’s left of the world will be ruled by the US by force of arms.
<=Humm. you are suggesting Empire Zionism has come to realize the people governed by the nation states are waking. To avoid corrective action.. Empire Zionism maybe trying to take out half or more of the population of the world. Foundation after foundation, institution after institution have said there are too many people in the world. Educated parts of the world are likely targets?
As we know now, the USUK war on Iraq was done to privatise Iraqi oil to US and UK corporations. I still think the main objective of this effort to rid Gaza of inhabitants and to take parts of Lebanon are oil and gas related. Is there oil and gas beneath the surface of those areas?
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 17 2024 4:51 utc | 120
The killing was about stealing more Palestinian land, a project that Israel has been working on for generations.
This is now a conclusively established fact, and it proves that every Israel apologist you've seen defending Israel's actions over the last year was either a useful idiot or a knowing genocide apologist. Nothing they said was true. It was all lies, told to justify stealing even more land from an indigenous population.
<=Maybe, but I believe the killing from its inception in 1900 on was about control and ownership of the oil and gas beneath the Ottoman empire. The recent killing is about the newly discovered Levant reserve oil & gas. To have unchallenged claim to the Levant gas reserves the Palestinian claim to the 12 mile off shore oil and gas had to be extinguished to accommodate investors. (Likely, Levant Reserves will become the main source of gas to be supplied to Europe by pipeline). Now that NordSteam II has been destroyed, Russia blocked by Sanctions from selling its gas to European Markets the race to supply Europe with Middle East gas is on.
The land Idea came later and is being pushed by a very different group. The objective of the new group seems to be to profit from the development of the land and to increase the Jewish vote should the two state solution ever come to be.
Posted by: Hankster | Oct 17 2024 5:45 utc | 123
In michaelj72 | Oct 17 2024 4:51 utc 120 utterances from the zionist finance minister about expansionism (greater israel) slammed the lid on that "anti-semite trope"
<=I really think you should not factor race or religion into your thinking. I do agree in part about the land. But Christian Zionism has fostered the propaganda that religion is involved. Empire Zionism seeks always to own everything, everywhere all of the time and it uses whatever propaganda it can find to support that result.
Posted by: snake | Oct 17 2024 8:46 utc | 138
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