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October 13, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-246

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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@KMRIA | Oct 13 2024 22:29 utc | 95
You are welcome. Agreed – this is the real beginning of the latest Zionist war on Lebanon – Pity the Nation, as R. Fisk put it in his excellent book.
I was also waiting for Hezbollah to show some real teeth – which they did today – and in a sophisticated way onto a real military target – the infamous Golani Brigade who have quite a spot of infamous form in the area going back decades – most recently in Gaza

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 13 2024 23:01 utc | 101

from Tehran Times, Oct 13
Message is clear

…During a recent visit to Iraq, Iran’s Foreign Minister, Abbas Araqchi, emphasized that the country is fully prepared for any scenario that might arise as tensions escalate. This marks a significant shift in Iran’s strategic posture, signaling Tehran’s intention to both deter Israeli aggression and showcase its ability to respond decisively to any provocation.
The missile strike, named Operation True Promise II, was not an isolated action but part of a broader pattern of tit-for-tat military exchanges. Iran has consistently stated that its military operations are defensive measures in response to Israeli provocations, and this strike was no different. Operation True Promise II was a justified, retaliatory move meant to counter Israeli actions in the region including the July assassination of Hamas political bureau chief Ismail Haniyeh and the killing of Hezbollah Secretary General Seyyed Hassan Nasrallah and IRGC general Abbas Nilforooshan in Beirut in September in a massive bombardment.
The operation was a significant success for Iran. The missiles bypassed Israel’s defense systems, causing considerable damage to Israeli air bases and radar installations. In response, Israel is now reportedly seeking to strengthen its missile defense capabilities by turning to the U.S. for additional support. According to media reports, the U.S. is considering deploying the THAAD missile defense system in the occupied territories to bolster Israel’s air defenses.
The Israeli regime’s reliance on U.S. assistance suggests that its air defense network has been severely compromised, and there are concerns that this reinforcement may not be enough. The THAAD system is designed to intercept short, medium, and intermediate-range ballistic missiles during their terminal phase. However, the system is not equipped to counter the growing threat of hypersonic ballistic missiles, which Iran reportedly possesses in its arsenal. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 13 2024 23:16 utc | 102

The natives always have the advantage over invaders. Here’s Mike Hastie on the subject. . .

Why did it take the mighty US military, the world’s premier fighting farce, four years to pacify Baghdad? Why has that same farce been stymied in far-away, mountainous Afghanistan full of tribal, illiterate people for sixteen years? Why has the US not won any of its wars in places including Vietnam, Somalia and Syria (to name a few) in the last fifty years?
One day while I was in a bunker in Vietnam, a sniper round went over my head. The person who fired that weapon was not a terrorist, a rebel, an extremist, or a so-called insurgent. The Vietnamese individual who tried to kill me was a citizen of Vietnam, who did not want me in his country. This truth escapes millions. –Mike Hastie, U.S. Army Medic, Vietnam 1970-71

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 13 2024 23:32 utc | 103

The total genocide continues with tens of people burning alive after terrorists from IOF strike tents in north gaza.

Posted by: Animal | Oct 13 2024 23:53 utc | 104

Incorrect attribution – check your specs! What you cite came from Andrew Sarchus…@86
Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 13 2024 22:29 utc | 96

That is my fault. You have my sincerest apologies.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 13 2024 23:55 utc | 105

Reports of IDF fatalities and injuries From Jackson Hinkle’s Twitter from commenters:
Herzi Halevi – Army Chief of Staff – Not Killed
Shall Batchet – General – critical
Lech Tizdayen – General – hurt badly
Zaeien Baiein – General – Dead
Samalechem Zain – Injured
Weinberg Steiwzski – Injured

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 13 2024 23:56 utc | 106

so, new age Moses comes down with the tablets and smashes them when he sees the Profit to be had by not honoring all the stealing and killing bs.
And somewhere along the line, the Antichrist has got most of the west going along with all of the Mark of the Beast rigamorole. Go against the narrative, you getting canceled, confiscated, whatever.

Posted by: dpy | Oct 14 2024 0:05 utc | 107

I’ve also spotted an oft-repeated, fallacious argument that has been floating around the bar in these past few days, which I will paraphrase: “Helping Israel doesn’t further America’s imperial interests, why would we get everyone in the region to hate us?”
To that I will answer with a quote, which is of unknown provenance but often attributed to Lenin.
“The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”
Meditate on that quote.
Done?
Think. Why would the capitalists provide the very tools that will help revolutionaries eventually dismantle them? Isn’t that against the interests of capitalists as a class? Similarly, one can ask, why would the great capitalist nation, the US of A, 🦅🦅🦅 seemingly harm its own interests by its unconditional support for Israel?
The unspoken assumption when asking those questions is that capitalists can wrench themselves free from the pull of capital. The thing is, if they had to think long-term, if they had to care about more than just the interests of the capitalists, then they wouldn’t be capitalists. They would very likely end up being communists. Grabbing land, exploiting resources, capturing markets – these are the imperatives that capitalists operate under, consequences be damned.
The capitalists’ rapacious pursuit of capital accumulation inevitably plants the seed of the capitalists’ own destruction as a class. Marx is right. Marx has always been right.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 14 2024 0:06 utc | 108

“More than 30 tents are burning and the fire is still raging and spreading inside Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital and the bodies of the martyrs are being swallowed by the flames.”
Disturbing content
https://t.me/youseffares19/54426

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 14 2024 0:09 utc | 109

More of these, please.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/47378

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 14 2024 0:16 utc | 110

https://t.me/youseffares19/54426
Posted by: Ornot | Oct 14 2024 0:09 utc | 109
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Horrifying. Barbaric.
Evil cowards bomb and burn helpless people sheltering in tents.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 14 2024 0:23 utc | 111

Posted by: Jane | Oct 14 2024 0:23 utc | 111
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Lots of “support honking” for our standout today on the busy streetcorner.
My sign calls out Biden as a Zionist who has broken US law and then lied to Congress.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 14 2024 0:24 utc | 112

https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1845570281391456456
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
#Hezbollah is showing a high level of professionalism, control, intelligence gathering and capability to hit #Israel. My take on @AJEnglish
https://mediaview.aljazeera.com/video/QEB5lqotk8
https://x.com/EdmundGriffiths/status/1845568281509314793
Edmund Griffiths @EdmundGriffiths
Truly extraordinary not to mention (in either the tweet or the clip) that this was a military base & the people injured are serving soldiers
see video, the reporter keeps referring to “people”, but they were all soldiers at a military base: Israel, at least 67 injured in Hezbollah drone strike
https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1845542755163886062
Sky News @SkyNews
The number of people wounded in this evening’s drone attack on Binyamina has risen to 67, according to Israeli media.
@AliBunkallSKY has the latest.
Middle East latest: https://trib.al/xUbt2rM

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 14 2024 0:32 utc | 113

@All Under Heaven | Oct 13 2024 23:55 utc | 105
Accepted.
“There is great disorder under Heaven: the situation is excellent.” Mao
@Turk 152 | Oct 13 2024 23:56 utc | 106
Thank you for this update. Daoud smites the Golani!

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 14 2024 0:41 utc | 114

Article in Al Jazeera tries to trace when exactly the ‘US’ became completely subservient to ‘Israel’:
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/10/11/israels-forgotten-terror
There are some interesting things in it, but according to Noam Chomsky, it basically happened after the 1967 war, in which ‘Israel’ greatly impressed the Pentagon (Chomsky, -The Fateful Triangle-).
I think the seeds of ZioCon-ism within the US ‘establishment’ took proper root then, and the resulting crop is in full flower now.

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 14 2024 0:49 utc | 115

Lt. Col. Daniel Davis: The Cruel Price Children Pay in Israel’s Wars!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvpL5gK1s0M
Posted by: guest from franconia | Oct 13 2024 20:22 utc | 81
Thank you for posting the link, guest.
One small niggle with the good Col.:
Please stop saying the words Palestinian and terrorist in the same sentence.
It would be better to call them Palestinian freedom fighters, not Palestinian terrorist.
They are fighting to keep their home. Wouldn’t you fight for yours?
The fight, is enshrined in international law.
Thank you.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 14 2024 1:06 utc | 116

There are some interesting things in it, but according to Noam Chomsky, it basically happened after the 1967 war, in which ‘Israel’ greatly impressed the Pentagon (Chomsky, -The Fateful Triangle-).
I think the seeds of ZioCon-ism within the US ‘establishment’ took proper root then, and the resulting crop is in full flower now.
Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 14 2024 0:49 utc | 115
That is an interesting thought, thanks.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 14 2024 1:10 utc | 117

https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1845516293912281198
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
#Hezbollah drones this evening: At least three killed and 27 wounded in #Haifa. Hezbollah is regaining deterrence.
The next step is for #Israel to invade at least 50sq km inside the south of #Lebanon with 5000 – 10.000 men and stay for at least a month so the resistance can welcome them adequately.
https://x.com/Resist_05/status/1845608453194330305
Pelham @Resist_05
🇱🇧 Hezbollah just targeted a Israeli military base in Golani Brigade near Haifa..
🇮🇱 Israel just targeted children seeking refuge in TENTS outside Al-Aqsa Hospital…
Which attack do you believe western politicians and mainstream media will condemn..?

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 14 2024 1:12 utc | 118

arch bungle@1558
Should you happen to do a bit of census data on the Aleutians you will discover that the population in the westernmost (closest to Japan and Russia’s long Kamchatka peninsula) is very tiny. So if those refugees from a fallen Zionist Entity be relocated into several of those furthest islands, the amount of Jewish money in the world would easily suffice those few Aleut natives on those islands to move down the chain in the direction of Dutch harbor. We would be talking multi-millions per relocated individuals.
Or perhaps you would prefer to have two or three million Mizrahi to come to mainland America?…along with several hundred thousand hardcore Ashkenazim and Sephardim who actually believe that they are “chosen” by their tribal WarGod?

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2024 1:23 utc | 119

All USA bases belong to Iran.
Can Iran remove regional US bases without shutting off oil to its allies?
It may be tried soon.

Posted by: Jonny Law | Oct 14 2024 1:26 utc | 120

My sign calls out Biden as a Zionist who has broken US law and then lied to Congress.
Posted by: Jane | Oct 14 2024 0:24 utc | 112

Oops: My sign calls out BLINKEN as a Zionist who has broken US law and then lied to Congress.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 14 2024 1:31 utc | 121

“Or perhaps you would prefer to have two or three million Mizrahi to come to mainland America?…along with several hundred thousand hardcore Ashkenazim and Sephardim who actually believe that they are “chosen” by their tribal WarGod?
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2024″
Absolutely. How many times must I suggest they are given safe passage to South Carolina?
After that, of course, they’re on their own…
Keep Alaska beautiful.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Oct 14 2024 1:39 utc | 122

1967 is when it was becoming clear, even to the slow learners in the Pentagon, that the US was losing the unsinkable war in Vietnam.

Posted by: Lysias | Oct 14 2024 1:53 utc | 123

the “willing executioners” of a racist and genocidal nation-state
https://x.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1845360590509785537
Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur oPt @FranceskAlbs
As we speak, write, tweet, sob: Israeli forces are committing another massacre in northern Gaza. People in Jabalyia are killed – both in groups, and one by one – amid unspeakable cruelty and sadism. By Israelis who have accepted to be “willing executioners” of a genocidal plan. With western-manifactured weapons and with western support.
It blows my mind to think that WE KNOW what Israel is doing and alltogether, we cannot stop it. Looking at where we were 100 years ago, no much progress has been achieved.
https://x.com/TheLyonsDen/status/1845397806921437322
John Lyons @TheLyonsDen
BEIRUT: Israel has bombed one of main water channels from Litani River. Thousands hectares now without irrigation. Will cause huge food shortages. On top of heavy shelling & “widespread” (HRW) use of chemical weapons by Israel (white phosphorus) on sth Lebanon this is devastating

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 14 2024 1:58 utc | 124

Turdworld @115
“Israel greatly impressed the Pentagon”
Of course, the 1967 war saw Israel’s treacherous and cowarsly attack on the USS Liberty. The Pentagon must have found it impressive how Israel out-Northwood them…

Posted by: AJ | Oct 14 2024 1:59 utc | 125

US bases toast
It will make the Afghan retreat look well planned and organized as US “troops” and contractors run barefoot and screaming into the desert never to return.

Posted by: Jonny Law | Oct 14 2024 1:59 utc | 126

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 14 2024 1:12 utc | 118
Thanks for the clip. Very encouraging.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 14 2024 2:00 utc | 127

Don Firineach@2137
The Izzy military and media have been extremely cautious about releasing genuine casualty levels. Likely scenario is that the dead, wounded and head-cases are far, far more extensive than they would care for the world to realize.
Having viewed numerous podcasts from Electronic Intifada, along with Muhamad Od; it has come to my attention from numerous accounts and even videos that in Gaza alone there has been a steady attrition of Merkaba tanks, some estimates now topping 200 of their presumed herd of around three times that figure…in other words, a solid third of their main battle tanks. Armored troop-carriers and even D-9 Caterpillars have also been frequently targeted…with the former encasing up to a dozen troops in those metal coffins. Then there are the sniper attacks on dismounted Izzies on “souvenir missions” in Gazan homes.
So let’s project that a minimal daily butcher’s bill of Izzy KIA’s are in the range of ten per day. I feel that figure is somewhat conservative, but even that one would add to 3,650 combat deaths up to and including October 7. Generally, wounded in most battlefield situations add to anywhere from three to five times the numbers killed…and that only would consist of those seriously wounded and frequently disabled. So lets hit the median possibility and speculate that those with major wounds would numero over thirteen thousand hors de combat.
Category three would be those with “shell shock”, PTSD and battlefield mental breakdowns. Hard to configure the possibilities there. However, the days of the outdoor work hardened Sabras from the tiny rural population of the Zionist $tate are long past. Today’s Izzie “warriors” are not really warriors at all but a lot of spoiled suburban types such as we have here in the Ruptured Republic…and large numbers of white-collar “workers”. Softies, most of them. In man to man combat, those Palestinian warriors who have lost family members and friends in the genocidal bombings have gotta be hardcore to the max…men with a mission…and highly trained at that.
Thus the number of mentally destabilized IOF troops are not improbably calculable in the tens of thousands. The Zionist entity is not demographically capable of sustaining a very large ground forces element. Therefore, the numbers of those troops which could no longer be considered as “effectives”, are logically in such high numbers that the Izzy military has become severiously degraded….and that’s just among those engaged specifically on the Gaza front. Now, the Iranian, Iraqi, Ansar Allah and Hezbollah forces are upping the ante.
Nuts n’ Yahoos, Bennie Gver and Snotrich must all be sweating their cojones on a 24/7 basis. They continue to put up a tough front and are quite apt at assassinations and civilian genocide. To date their Airfarce have had few if any personnel losses. But the overall picture indicates that their ground-pounders are no longer capable of fighting their ways outta wet paper bags.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2024 2:05 utc | 128

The attack on the Liberty happened with the connivance of the traitor LBJ. Indeed, according to Phillip Nelson, the Israelis only attacked the Liberty because traitor LBJ out them up to it.

Posted by: Lysias | Oct 14 2024 2:09 utc | 129

“The UN’s World Food Programme says no food has entered the northern Gaza Strip this month as Israeli attacks continue.”
https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/1845602567695359418
Our politicians support and shield USrael. Don’t vote for genocide accomplices.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 14 2024 2:09 utc | 130

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2024 1:23 utc | 119
Why should anyone, anywhere, need to be moved to accomodate these degenerate people?

Posted by: Greg | Oct 14 2024 2:12 utc | 131

Don Bacon@2157
Those Thaad handlers from the American military now based in Occupied Palestine reminds me of those big-game hunters who stake a goat out in the jungle where tigers have become aggressive towards man and his chattle animals. Here they are, stuck in some desert location outside of major urban targets…in a land which is not theirs and as “protectors” of a renegade genocidal state which does NOT actually have am official alliance status with the U$$A.
They also remind me of those old newspaper cartoons of some guy who has not realized that a prankster has glued a sign to his back which reads: “KICK ME”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2024 2:12 utc | 132