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October 11, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-243
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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We get an erie feeling as the blocks form, everyone is taking sides. Hard times for Jordan, Egypt and the Gulf Arabs who have to force their population to side with Usrael. Posted by: Biochar | Oct 11 2024 13:39 utc | 1 So in retaliation for the Irainian misile strike, israel has invaded Irainian backed Lebanan, mostly by air bombing the inocent public and chikdren (a war crime) Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 11 2024 13:42 utc | 2 So in retaliation for the Irainian misile strike, israel has invaded Irainian backed Lebanan, Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2024 13:48 utc | 3 Jonathan Cook in Middle East Eye today, both indispensable: Posted by: bevin | Oct 11 2024 13:49 utc | 4 I don’t think I’ve read a more schizophrenic article/op-ed in the Guardian in quite sometime (see article link below). The writer, who presumes to be some sort of human rights expert, is perhaps attempting to be diplomatic in his insistence that the US is on the whole a global force for good when it comes to human rights, presumably both on its own and in the context of such ostensibly powerful and influential independent entities as the United Nations. However, contrary to this claim, lies the objective reality that the US, both before and after the collapse of the USSR, has been absolutely needlessly causing mass carnage throughout the world, most deceptively, yet demonstrably, and destructively in Iraq/Afghanistan, but also Libya and Syria (by funding ISIS). Posted by: Ludovic | Oct 11 2024 14:00 utc | 5 Arch Bungle @ 3 Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 11 2024 14:03 utc | 6 Posted by: bevin | Oct 11 2024 13:49 utc | 5 Posted by: AI | Oct 11 2024 14:05 utc | 7 ‘Letter from the soldier Moshe to Rabbi Shim ‘on Weiser Posted by: south | Oct 11 2024 14:09 utc | 8 The Gaza Palestinians and their leaders deserve nothing less. Posted by: Dave | Oct 11 2024 14:22 utc | 9 My conclusion… Iran needs to defend itself ..premptively. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2024 14:24 utc | 10 ‘the descendants of the Jews of pre-1795 Poland (often called east-European Jews’ – as Posted by: south | Oct 11 2024 14:28 utc | 11 Agreed, let’s nuke the fucking israelli cockroaches while we’re at it. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2024 14:28 utc | 12 This is the Riddle. Posted by: too scents | Oct 11 2024 14:31 utc | 14
Jewish History, Jewish Religion The Weight of Three Thousand Years Posted by: south | Oct 11 2024 14:35 utc | 15
Jewish History, Jewish Religion The Weight of Three Thousand Years Posted by: south | Oct 11 2024 14:35 utc | 16 And to destroy the human Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2024 14:36 utc | 17 @ Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2024 14:28 utc | 15 Don’t elevate humans beyond the dirt they grow in. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2024 14:42 utc | 19 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 11 2024 14:45 utc | 20 Bevin quoting Johnathan Cook: “What is distinctive about the neoconservatives is the centrality of Israel to their worldview. They regard Israel’s unapologetic Jewish supremacism and militarism as a model for the West – one in which it returns to an unashamed white supremacism and militarism in a revived spirit of colonialism.” Posted by: ADB | Oct 11 2024 14:45 utc | 21 Bevin, someone as intelligent as you certainly understands the history of empire and conquest. As has been repeatedly demonstrated over millenia, it’s the time/place (culture), not the actors, which define an era. Posted by: Markw | Oct 11 2024 14:47 utc | 22 Isn’t that the whole point? Posted by: too scents | Oct 11 2024 14:49 utc | 23 The Gaza Palestinians and their leaders deserve nothing less. Posted by: Ed | Oct 11 2024 14:50 utc | 24 It’s always fun watching genocide supporters fall over themselves to say what Iran should or shouldn’t do. Lots of noise and desperation increasingly evident. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 11 2024 14:50 utc | 25 Will humanity continue to allow people to be genocided and their lands appropriated like the US and other empire are known for? The very brazen attempt at that going on currently has not been stopped by the “human axis” and all keep waiting for that human effort that will make a difference…..I hope it comes soon. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2024 14:52 utc | 26 “A time is marked not so much by ideas that are argued about as by ideas that are taken for granted. The character of an era hangs upon what needs no defense.” Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 11 2024 14:52 utc | 27 @ Markw | Oct 11 2024 14:47 utc | 22 Read an idea from elsewhere and am curious about getting input from anyone here who understands the internal Middle East politics of countries: Posted by: Alienation | Oct 11 2024 15:01 utc | 29
Yes, in their minds this is retaliation, desperate to stir up an Iranian response. The fact it looks clownish and chickenshit doesn’t escape the bloodthirsty Usraelis. They feel humiliated but are afraid to actually attack Iran, for good reason. So Usrael will continue to murder soft targets and shy away from igniting the kind of kinetic action that sees their pusillanimous faces kicked in in such a way that would be impossible to obscure. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 11 2024 15:01 utc | 30 ‘The ancient Chinese sage Mencius (4th century BC), much admired by Voltaire,
We have seen above, and will show in greater detail in the next chapter how far Posted by: south | Oct 11 2024 15:06 utc | 31 Also let’s dispense with the fiction, as b exhorted in his recent article, that there is any difference between Maerica and Israel. They are one. It is a useful fiction – like Ukraine -to pretend Israels actions aren’t controlled and fully sanctioned by the US. The US is in complete control, this is their proxy. Hence Usrael. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 11 2024 15:06 utc | 32 Seldom have I read a more pertinent, to the point short article than this one by Bob Moriarty: Posted by: g wiltek | Oct 11 2024 15:07 utc | 33 No. Posted by: Ed | Oct 11 2024 15:07 utc | 34 Not so fast Arch, AI Technology seems to be aiding the advancement of a very dark form of dystopian colonialism. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2024 15:10 utc | 35 Not so fast Arch, AI Technology seems to be aiding the advancement of a very dark form of dystopian colonialism. Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 11 2024 15:15 utc | 36 Doctor Eleven @ 30 Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 11 2024 15:16 utc | 37 Alienation@1501 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 11 2024 15:20 utc | 38 One such idea would be “progress”. Posted by: Ed | Oct 11 2024 15:21 utc | 39 ADB | Oct 11 2024 14:45 utc | 21 Posted by: Markw | Oct 11 2024 15:23 utc | 40 The Irish have a spot of history with centuries of anti-colonial struggles against the English imperialists … hence their support for The Palestinians … Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 11 2024 15:24 utc | 41 Some people in Germany in the 30’s and 40’s thought the same about the jews, the same desire to kill children that you and your country has now. Posted by: Michael A | Oct 11 2024 15:27 utc | 42 Now that Russia has proven that they are NOT “a gas station masquerading as a nation”…the title goes to Azerbaijan. They were able to defeat a terribly led Armenia due to a huge military boost by “Sultan” Erdogan of Turkey. Against Iran they would simply be conquered and cease to exist as a Soviet created nation state. Posted by: Alienation | Oct 11 2024 15:27 utc | 43 @ Arch Oct 11 2024 14:28 utc | 13 Posted by: suzan | Oct 11 2024 15:29 utc | 44 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2024 14:36 utc | 17 Posted by: Clever Dog | Oct 11 2024 15:31 utc | 45 Don’t elevate humans beyond the dirt they grow in. Posted by: kupkee | Oct 11 2024 15:32 utc | 46 Arch is right, the to-be-subjugated know the score, and they can handle all that modern tech just fine. For 100 years now the colonizers have been trying to keep their old game alive and losing all the way. Posted by: Ed | Oct 11 2024 15:32 utc | 47 Talmudic rules:
Jewish History, Jewish Religion The Weight of Three Thousand Years Posted by: south | Oct 11 2024 15:36 utc | 48 @Alienation | Oct 11 2024 15:01 utc | 29 Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 11 2024 15:38 utc | 49 This is why I say that all men have a sense of commiseration: here is a man Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 11 2024 15:39 utc | 50 The West/USReal Machinations & the quiet part said out loud- The Dog/Tail – The New Middle East/Russia theatre move— Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 11 2024 15:55 utc | 51 @steven t johnson | Oct 11 2024 15:39 utc | 50 Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 11 2024 15:57 utc | 52 ‘If a Jew murders a Gentile, he is regarded as a murderer, Posted by: south | Oct 11 2024 16:00 utc | 53 “In particular, a Jewish doctor must not treat a Gentile patient. Maimonides – Posted by: south | Oct 11 2024 16:09 utc | 54 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2024 15:10 utc | 35 AI? The technology in which the Chinese have the highest number of patents? Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 11 2024 16:12 utc | 55 This story have any legs: https://en.majalla.com/node/322499/business-economy/bunker-busting-bombs-could-also-be-targeting-hezbollah-cash-reserves ? Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 11 2024 16:21 utc | 56
This is unfortunately a most utilitarian immorality. Posted by: south | Oct 11 2024 16:23 utc | 57 from Jewish History, Jewish Religion The Weight of Three Thousand Years Posted by: south | Oct 11 2024 16:25 utc | 58 Posted by: Outraged | Oct 11 2024 14:41 utc | 18 Posted by: Roberto | Oct 11 2024 16:26 utc | 59 But to destroy the flesh, Posted by: Mary | Oct 11 2024 16:38 utc | 60 Interesting yet seemingly counterintuitive suggestion that resistance leaders might be especially targeted if they are willing to agree to a ceasefire. The corollary being that a resistance leader who’ll keep up their end of the conflict might be goal of assassination strikes.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 11 2024 16:47 utc | 61 Re: IDF KIA/WIA ? Posted by: Exile | Oct 11 2024 16:51 utc | 62 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 11 2024 14:50 utc | 25 @Roberto | Oct 11 2024 16:26 utc | Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 11 2024 16:55 utc | 64 Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 11 2024 15:57 utc | 52 asks if I was citing Lucretius: No, I was pasting a quote from Mencius that was part of a comment from a poster who I cannot respect enough to name any more. Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 11 2024 16:57 utc | 65 I would like to correct an injustice being perpetrated here on MOA. Posted by: Hot Carl | Oct 11 2024 17:11 utc | 66 “Israel has the right to defend itself” Posted by: jayc | Oct 11 2024 17:33 utc | 67 Pretty good video now up at the Duran. My take is they believe the neocon faction supporting Ukraine has lost out. Project Iran is now the neocon main event. Israel with US military assistance will SOON make major strikes against oil and nuclear facilities as well as decapitation strikes against the leadership of Iran. They also believe regime change will be attempted involving the crown prince as they called him. Posted by: morongobill | Oct 11 2024 17:35 utc | 68 @ Doctor Eleven | Oct 11 2024 14:50 utc | 25 I recall that the English and Americans killed 26,000 French civilians in the run-up to the Normady invasion, all in the Normandy region. Posted by: Exile | Oct 11 2024 17:56 utc | 70 Re: Seldom have I read a more pertinent, to the point short article than this one by Bob Moriarty: Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 11 2024 18:02 utc | 71 A “decapitation strike” against Iran’s senior leadership certainly fits the bill of a signature neocon scheme, but the consequences of such an attack on a major BRICS country will be severe for the US. Posted by: jayc | Oct 11 2024 18:05 utc | 72 @61 Posted by: Meh | Oct 11 2024 18:53 utc | 73 The World Food Programme (WFP) is utterly compromised – its head Cindy McCain has attended IDF fund raising events – yet she has the sheer bloody cheek to comment – that things are bad in Gaza for the Palestinian people. Cindy McCain is the second wife of the now deceased US politician John McCain – Cindy also participates in the McCain Institute – of which its chair is a Rothschild. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 11 2024 18:54 utc | 74 Posted by: bevin | Oct 11 2024 13:49 utc | 4 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 11 2024 18:54 utc | 75 @ south re #8
The rabbi understands war in an abstract mathematical way as if the Jewish people lived on a separate universe. War is a human thing, not a robotic game. The warring parties, at the end of the conflict, end up living among a society of nations. Other countries will eventually rally against a cruel and genocidal country that can’t live peacefully among its neighbors. Beibg cruel without empathy is also acting stupidly and suffering consequences. The time for payback will come when the US loses its hegemon status and that will be apparent when the Saudis abd Jordan join the axis of resistance. My guess, Posted by: Richard L | Oct 11 2024 18:55 utc | 76 Posted by: jayc | Oct 11 2024 18:05 utc | 72 Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 11 2024 19:02 utc | 77 By far and away the biggest driver behind white replacement are higher status whites. And not just the bourgeoisie either; working class business owners (trades, commerce) vastly prefer Hispanic employees. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 11 2024 19:04 utc | 78 Not unusual for the Zionist – they’ve already murdered a plethora of UNRWA personnel – not to mention dozens of journalists – and in some cases members of their families. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 11 2024 19:10 utc | 79 Israel has become a sick rabid state that has no respect for human life or International Law: What is to be done? Posted by: Ed | Oct 11 2024 19:11 utc | 80 anon2020 | Oct 11 2024 16:47 utc | 61 Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 11 2024 19:14 utc | 81 With Gaza and Lebanon in mind – I’d say those Western proxy states fear reprisals from Iran – if the Zionists strike the Iranian energy sector. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 11 2024 19:17 utc | 82 Seldom have I read a more pertinent, to the point short article than this one by Bob Moriarty: Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 11 2024 19:26 utc | 83 ‘Unprecedented’ – Rights Group Files ICC Case against 1,000 Israeli Soldiers for War Crimes in Gaza
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/unprecedented-rights-group-files-icc-case-against-1000-israeli-soldiers-for-war-crimes-in-gaza/ Posted by: Exile | Oct 11 2024 19:29 utc | 84 @81 Posted by: Meh | Oct 11 2024 19:32 utc | 85 “The working class don’t own businesses.” Posted by: kupkee | Oct 11 2024 19:42 utc | 86 I believe the financial system is bankrupt. It is just a matter of time. I have gold. What is there to apologize for? Are you Jewish? It is a choice, not genetic, so yo can change that. Posted by: g wiltek | Oct 11 2024 19:43 utc | 87 Another example of the careful and meticulous documenting of serious crimes committed by IDF: Posted by: jayc | Oct 11 2024 19:54 utc | 88 Now would be a good time for israel to realese all their hostages. Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 11 2024 19:55 utc | 89 Posted by: Outraged | Oct 11 2024 17:36 utc | 69 Posted by: Roberto | Oct 11 2024 20:05 utc | 90 So, that would be a “petty bourgeois”. The working class don’t own businesses. Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 11 2024 20:18 utc | 91 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 11 2024 19:04 utc | 78 Posted by: Mario | Oct 11 2024 20:32 utc | 92 Could you please named just one french village erased by the nazis. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Oct 11 2024 20:41 utc | 94
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/10975 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2024 20:46 utc | 95 I and others have been interested in Turkey’s stand point. Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 11 2024 21:04 utc | 96 “The health ministry in Gaza said on Friday that at least 42,126 Palestinians had been killed by the Israeli military in the territory since the war started a year ago, 61 of them in the most recent 24-hour period. The conflict was triggered on 7 October by a Hamas raid into southern Israel, in which its militants killed 1,200 Israelis and took 250 hostage.” Posted by: Ludovic | Oct 11 2024 21:08 utc | 97
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/33673 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2024 21:12 utc | 98 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 11 2024 19:26 utc | 83 Posted by: kupkee | Oct 11 2024 21:13 utc | 99 Ludovic Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 11 2024 21:17 utc | 100 |
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