Palestine Open Thread 2024-240

October 7, 2024

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

How Israel killed hundreds of its own people on 7 October – Electronic Intifada

What did Al Jazeera’s investigation into Israeli war crimes in Gaza reveal? (video) – Aljazeerah

> In the year since, Israeli soldiers have posted thousands of videos and photos on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok and YouTube.

These videos and photos form the foundation of the I-Unit’s new film, which investigates Israeli war crimes primarily through the medium of the evidence Israeli soldiers themselves have provided.

It is, according to Rodney Dixon, an international law expert featured in the film, “a treasure trove which you very seldom come across … something which I think prosecutors will be licking their lips at”. <

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Posted by b on October 7, 2024 at 13:05 UTC | Permalink

Comments

Posted by: reante | Oct 7 2024 22:15 utc | 145
Monty Python got it wrong. The meaning of human life is not 42. It is Dunbar’s number.
‘Civilisation’ is way out of that order.
Derrick Jensen got the fatal methodology right describing it as the aggregation of social form into cities that then suck the resources, natural and human, out of an exponentially expanding surrounding footprint.
You have to be numb, dumb or pathologically predatory to advocate this program.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 8 2024 8:44 utc | 301

All that nuclear thing seems like a PR stunt.
Too deep, on a known fault line, no neutrinos, no gamma rays … is someone looking for a pretext to bomb nuclear sites ? Maybe.

Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 8 2024 8:47 utc | 302

Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 8 2024 8:47 utc | 305
Does it surprise you there is seismic activity in an area of the world which always has earthquakes after the tonnage of explosives dropped in the last year ?
Might take time, but activity is going to pop up all over the place. Even in places along the fault lines that don’t normally get earthquakes.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 8 2024 8:58 utc | 303

Israel Shahak is one of the best writers on Zionism.
That said, there were no concentration camps for catholics.
Posted by: JAB
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This is not correct facts He is both Jewish and was in Belsen:
‘In 1943, the Nazis sent the Shahak family to the Poniatowa concentration camp, to the west of Lublin, where his father died. Fortuitously, the ten-year-old boy and his mother escaped from the Poniatowa camp’
‘the Nazis recaptured Israel and his mother, and imprisoned them in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp,’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shahak

Posted by: south | Oct 8 2024 9:11 utc | 304

If i was Iran i would hit tele aviv with a conventinal force that they would not recover from, and i’d do it now ! Or sooner.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 8 2024 9:14 utc | 305

When you look at The Anatolian Sub-Plate on a map. How all the fault lines link up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_Sub-Plate
Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if the bombing taking place right now triggers a biggie somewhere down the road.
Dead Sea Transform ( Dead sea rift) that makes up part of the Anatolian Sub-Plate the is about 400 km long, extending from the spreading center in the Red Sea at southern end of the Gulf of Aqaba to just north of the Hula basin in southernmost Lebanon.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Transform
The Yammouneh fault is the main fault strand within the Lebanon restraining bend, carrying most of the plate boundary displacement.
It could have been the bunker bombs that killed Nasrallah and the bunker bombs that tried to kill his deputy. That set this activity off. All the other tonnage that has been dropped in the last year.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 8 2024 9:25 utc | 306

LOL
https://t.me/myLordBebo/46820

Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2024 9:34 utc | 307

All that nuclear thing seems like a PR stunt.
Too deep, on a known fault line, no neutrinos, no gamma rays … is someone looking for a pretext to bomb nuclear sites ? Maybe.
Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 8 2024 8:47 utc | 305

A valid question.
Another valid question is why the same people who were insisting that Iran is protected by Russia’s “Nuclear Umbrella” are now trying to convince you that Iran has tested the bomb.
Lots of Schall und Rauch going on for the moment.
Meanwhile checking the X account of the permanent representative of the RF to IAEA in Vienna, Mikhael Olyanov, would give an answer.

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 8 2024 9:34 utc | 308

It’s Irans inaction that is resulting in all the speculation about nucular weapons,
To wipe out tele avivi, would end that debait and prempt what the west is planning. Pro-active not reactive. Reactive projects a sign of weakness, and allows your foe to take the inicative.
The west ie israel, US, UK. Have publicly verbaly and by their actions stated their intentions.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 8 2024 9:41 utc | 309

Arch Bungle 298
Thanks for the light relief. Oct.7.2 brought a flock of US vampires revelling in the year’s insanity of destruction and beating for more with their hooked bat wings.
In the cold light of day, Kurilla’s message to Gallant will be to bomb the innocents as much as you like, but let sleeping dogs lie.
That’s official US military policy as we have already seen in Ukraine.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 8 2024 9:48 utc | 310

@Ornot | Oct 8 2024 1:08 utc | 212
Norwegian was asking about Galant, I read he was on Fox news (Galant, not Norwegian) but not sure if he was dancing or reciting.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 8 2024 5:29 utc | 287
I have been looking for proof that Galant and Budenov is still alive. Budenov have been nowhere to been seen for at least 6 months- except for an intervue he “gave” some 4-5 months ago!
There were pictures of Gallant at least twice a week, just a month ago.
Anyone seen him in the presence og Net lately?
To all palestinians, Lebanees, Syrians, RIP, with Lira, Dugina

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Oct 8 2024 9:53 utc | 311

The physicians called attention to Israel’s systematic destruction of Gaza’s healthcare system, stating that their colleagues were targeted with “torture, disappearance, and murder” in the besieged area.
The letter detailed the suffering faced by Gazan women and children in hospitals, highlighting severe malnutrition and a critical shortage of medical supplies.
The doctors referenced a July study from the medical journal Lancet that said the death toll in Gaza has already surpassed 118,000, marking more than 5% of its population.
“Every day I saw babies die. They had been born healthy. Their mothers were so malnourished that they could not breastfeed, and we lacked formula or clean water to feed them, so they starved,” Asma Taha, a pediatric nurse practitioner, recounted.
“Gaza was the first time I held a baby’s brains in my hand. The first of many,” Dr. Mark Perlmutter, an orthopedic and hand surgeon, reflected in the letter.
The doctors condemned “Israel’s continued, repeated” displacement of the malnourished and sick population of Gaza, particularly children, into areas devoid of basic necessities like water and sanitation, calling it “absolutely shocking.”

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/10/05/734604/US-doctors-debunk-claims-of-military-activities-in-Gaza-hospitals,-cite-crimes-beyond-comprehension

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 8 2024 10:01 utc | 312

After New York, Doha, Beirut and Damascus, next stop for Araghchi (Iranian FM) is Riyadh, probably today.

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 8 2024 10:19 utc | 313

The west ie israel, US, UK. Have publicly verbaly and by their actions stated their intentions.
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 8 2024 9:41 utc | 312
Nothing much makes sense to me either Mark
. Khamenei says Iran and the whole ME as Muslims have an obligation and right to defend the Palestinians and Lebanese peoples … so why don’t they instead of only talking and giving everyone else sermons of what they should be doing?
“Everybody is talking at me, but I don’t hear a word they’re saying …..” Harry Nielsen

Posted by: Dharma | Oct 8 2024 10:23 utc | 314

I find the work “Echo of Lost Innocence” of Bachir Mohamad impressing.
He made an installation in Doha (Quatar) of 15 000 teddy bears representing but a part of the children killed in Gaza. He had the idea December 2023.
Within just one year after the October-attack already are 16 756 child death accounted for. Does it matter if their parents were freedom fighters or not?
dead by malnutrition
dead by snipers loving their guns
dead by collapsing home
…
Everyone who takes human rights to heart or has one would say NO ! It doesn’t matters if their parents were actively fighting the oppression or not.
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2024/09/23/qatar-art-installation-brings-together-teddy-bears-tribute-children-killed-gaza
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/9/18/artist-uses-15000-teddy-bears-in-memorial-to-gazas-children

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 8 2024 10:26 utc | 315

Posted by: Roger | Oct 8 2024 4:06 utc | 268
Posted by: Honzo | Oct 8 2024 5:00 utc | 280
Thank you both for replying to my @263, and not ushering me to the loony bin. Thank you also for your own insightful remarks on my speculations.
Regards, – Barrel Brown.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Oct 8 2024 10:33 utc | 316

As sad as it is, all the excitement about Israel’s actions in Gaza and Lebanon is for nothing. The Israeli caravan moves on.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Oct 8 2024 10:56 utc | 317

In July this Lancet paper estimates conservatively based on June’s death toll by the Palestinian ministry of health that 186,000 Palestinians lost their lives due to Israel’s annihilation campaign.
They take factor 4. The range is factor 3-15. So this estimate is truly on the conservative side.
That would be 7,9 percent of Gaza’s population.
They estimate that by August 6 without a ceasefire it would be already 58 260 deaths (without an epidemic or escalation) and 85 750 deaths (if both occurred).
Taking the middle of the factor range 9, that would be already half a million and we have October…

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 8 2024 11:21 utc | 318

What is going on inside BRICS+
When it comes to Israeli apartheid, human rights, self-determination and genocide where do the BRICS+ nations truly stand?
Posted by: Dharma | Oct 8 2024 7:40 utc | 297
Thank you for the information in your post,in the midst of these speculations about an Iranian nuclear test, which certainly did not take place, but obviously ignites the imagination.
The information you cite about trade and economic relations between BRICS states and Israel partially answers the question I posed in the previous POT (JB | Oct 7 2024, | 351)
why are states not cutting commercial and economic tied to Israel despite its open, systematic destruction of the Palestinian people, aggression on Lebanon and constant acts of terrorism against other states in the region.
The basic, brief info you cite helps to see the BRICS states, and the project, in a more realistic, less emotional, light.
I want to address this part of your post:
What may be as many as tens of thousands of Russians now serve as IDF-employed draftees or mercenaries, because there are, as Brazilian journalist Pepe Escobar conceded, “one million plus Russian passport holders or double passport holders who live in Israel. This is a very very complicated affair because according to the Russian Constitution, Russia has to protect them. The fact that many of these are hardcore Zionist and with a genocidal mentality makes the problem even more unsolvable…”
– The primary responsibility for the protection of citizens rests with the state in which they live.
– The obligation to protect ones citizens living in other countries may be triggered when they are under serious threat because of their ethnicity or religion, or similar discriminatory reasons. It is NOT triggered when the state in which they live, and whose citizens they are, is at war. As citizens of that state they have obligations under the laws of the country they live in as citizens, including in a state of war.
– There exists no obligation of protection for anyone participating in genocide. On the contrary, all states have a legal obligation (Genocide Convention) to stop genocide.
– So, it is not ‘very complicated’. Russia has no obligation whatsoever to protect Russian citizenship holders who are citizens of Israel and who are participating in the genocide in any way. It should prosecute them if they come to Russia.
All Israeli citizens, who also hold Russian citizenship can go to Russia if they feel unsafe because Israel’s criminal activities. Russia has to accept them. Nothing complicated there.
The same applies to other Israeli citizens with dual citizenship.

Posted by: JB | Oct 8 2024 11:23 utc | 319

Dharma @ 317
What did Khamenei say about defending Iran ?
Its to late for Gaza and Lebanan, Iran failed them. If khamenei is’nt going to fight he should surender.
Overwise the outcome is a forgone conclusion.
Millions of dead Iranians and he will get the Gadffi and Sadan Hussan treatment.
Better to go down fighting.
Hamas and Hezbullah style.
Just tip the ‘reward to risk’ equation against israels favour or advantage. Within a day or two, no longer.
Press delete and factory reset on israel.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 8 2024 11:44 utc | 320

THOUGHTFULL THINKER sheds a tear for the Israeli hostages. Noble of her/him. But let us not be naive… The Israeli musician Gilad Atzmon (on his TG channel) assures that Netanyahu and his ilk do not give a damn about these hostages, they are for the most part secular Israeli, rave party goers. They do not belong to Netanyahu’s electorate. The fewer secular Israeli around in Israel, the better for him. A lot have left the country but a lot of extremists from all over the world have come in. That is the population he caters for together with the 600000 settlers armed to the teeth, the hundreds of thousands of scared displaced persons in the north, the Mizraim (not Ashkenazi) minorities.

Posted by: Teraspol | Oct 8 2024 11:53 utc | 321

And as for BRICS countrys tradeing with israel….
Its very hard to trade with a heap of rubble ! (Israel)

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 8 2024 11:55 utc | 322

The Last of The Ziocolonialists cons.
Is being perpetrated upon the watching world like the 3 cup trick of the street swindlers of history.
The Illegal Apartheid Entity , long imagined, long planned before Adolf was even a gleam in his mamas eye…
It has grown like a cancerous tumour, planted within a healthy body by diabolical surgery!
Never stayed within its ‘boundary’, just encouraged to metastasise through violent spasms, aided and abetted by the Old Colonisers and their satraps.
All such wars to ‘defend themselves through false flag provocations’ have led to the tumour ending up bigger!
That is exactly what is going on now and the many supranational elites all linked by their blood lust and thirst for future wealth for their dynasties are of course obliging in the imperialist adventure – having yet again failed to take Russia!
Always the same story – fail over there in the Great Game and hide their blushes by a diversionary, compensation invasion elsewhere . Pretend that was the plan in the first place.
Kill tens, now hundreds of thousands , massacre women and children and civilian men and move millions by force … wait a generation or two to raise more delusional Gamers and try again!
There’s a sucker born every second – their ancient motto.
There has been chat here about the hatred between Hindus and Moslems.
That too was part of the con.
The Decolonisation of the subcontinent was manifested as India and Pakistan where no such entity’s existed ever before!
That abomination should never have been allowed to be born by the ‘freedom seekers’, but was midwifed by them.
Those traitors to their Peoples were brought up and trained by the imperialists as the house slaves and were imposed upon the unwary natives as ‘one of them’ because they looked the same and talked the same but when they spoke their English, it was imperial RP!
As was their thinking. So instead of the restoration of the multiple nations of the subcontinent with their distinct Peoples, Languages, cultural delineations which had a multitude of religions happily living side by side for Millenia – it was BLOODY PARTITION.
That has led to a fast approaching century of disfunctional continued poverty of the masses and exploitation of resources by the same powers and some oligarchic dynastic ‘local’ families.
That is why India , Brazil and to some extent even South Africa should not be considered as honest members of the BRICS. And by the satraps and still colonised by miltary and supranational entities. Egyptians, Arabs like Saudi Arabia and their fellow sand dwelling ancient slave traders should be equally suspect in the BRICS+.
They would be the snakes in the nest. I expect that Xi and Putin and the ancient Persians know this well – they will noted their guard down and be swindelled like common suckers by the hoodlum con mercahants. That is why they have forged the Strategic Partnerships only via the SCO – which as everyone should note, hasn’t extended to India and Pakistan as yet ! But it has to Iran and soon North Korea, Syria.. the Real Resistance to the ziofascist Milenial Empire in its final decline he cure for that cancerous spread across history.
That is why the illegal Apartheid Entity will not make its first century.
Nor should India and Pakistan.
The Empire is Dead Dead Dead.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 8 2024 11:58 utc | 323

@ Barrel Brown | Oct 8 2024 3:51 utc | 263
Logical, rational, reasoned extrapolation & speculation.
A few minor comments … it is highly probable(unverified) the first salvo of three waves of Iranian ballistic missiles (BMs) overral suppressed as well as destroyed the Arrow/Davids Sling batteries (Iron Dome is near exhausted and irrelevant to BMs) as well as the singular critical theater AD/ABM surveillance radar the IDF thought it had concealed. Crippling effective interceptions of the second & third waves. Footage with audio exists of the first salvos warheads detonating on target prior to Air Warning sirens … actually sounding.
Indisputable AD interceptor missiles in every category throughout Empire are critically short. The USN DDGs in eastern Med only fired a token 12 SM3s, that’s enough to target only 6 BMs. The consequences of the Ukraine SMO, the Yemeni’s blockade ongoing & repeated attacks on USN carrier task forces(TFs) and DDGs and merchant escorts, Hezbollah barrages over time, is strongly indicative of US bases/Warships/Airfields extreme vulnerabity throughout the entire region, whilst the Israhells are apparently naked with their underwear around their ankles.
Take out the 3 refineries, the two main power stations and the desalination plants (see Litani River strategic objective) in a series of dedicated conventional barrages and Israhell is imminently operationally immobile, lights out and unable to support it’s field forces operations or inhabitants requirement for merely daily drinking water.
Effective ADS requires launching two (appropriate) interceptors per incoming BM (at long, medium, then short ranges)(Tiered/layered/in sequence) in order to obtain a probable kill under ideal circumstances. For example, only ~12 SM-3 are manufactured annually IIRC. The carrier TF determinedly staying outside of the Red Sea apparently did not attempt intercepts of Irans BM barrage in order not be defenseless (minimal interceptors) (VLMs require return to port for reloads) re the already pre-planned/committed likely ‘ineffective’ scheduled attack (with UK) on Yemeni infrastructure shortly after, so as not to be vulnerable (low finite Qty AD interceptors) to a determined Yemeni response re the TF.
The difficulty in the moment of this sliding crisis is very little that is going on occurs in the public realm. The absence thereof side by side with high level meetings & State to State shuttling (RF/Iran, US/Israhell, Iran/SA, Arab League, etc) without Statements, briefings, press conferences, even merely spokesperson commentary of note, of much depth, other than political/military rhetoric is indicative of a very great deal of import occurring behind the scenes. Then there’s upcoming BRICS+ in a fortnight …
The dogs that have not barked ?
Peace

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 8 2024 12:05 utc | 324

LightYearsFromHome | Oct 7 2024 21:12 utc | 133
Russia has many Jews in positions of power, although some oligarchs left for Israel in 2022 (and are doubtless now in NYC or Miami). While Russia has alliances with Iran and Syria, Putin has enough on his plate looking out for Russia, without deliberately picking a fight with Israel – which I’m sure would be the case if he gave Iran a nuke.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 8 2024 12:07 utc | 325

From Palestine Chronicle live feed:
MAYOR OF HAIFA:
We requested the evacuation of the chemical factories in Haifa Bay but received no response.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 8 2024 12:13 utc | 326

Thank you b for the electronic intifada article!
It explains how Israel’s “Hannibal Directive” caused the deaths of many Israeli citizens on October 7 last year!
i found that part astonishing:

Chen Almog-Goldstein and three of her children were at one point held in a Gazan supermarket which was bombed by Israel.
“It was atrocious,” she told The Guardian. “It was the first time we really felt like our lives were in danger.”
The bombing was closing up on us to the point where the Hamas guards put mattresses over us on the floor to cover us, and then they covered us with their bodies to protect us from our own forces’ shooting.”

it is a reference to this guardian article which reports on the nightmarish experiences of the hostage Almog-Goldstein ending with:

“Having experienced how horrendous the fighting and bombardment was, I can’t really understand how you can both have that and care for the captives that are there.”

The Hannibal Directive helps understand that.

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 8 2024 12:18 utc | 327

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 8 2024 12:05 utc | 329
“Footage with audio exists of the first salvos warheads detonating on target prior to Air Warning sirens … actually sounding.”
I had seen that reported on a Telegram channel, and my first thought was that “they” had left the sirens inactive for a time to maximise the risk to their civilians.
Perhaps a bunch of dead zionists was desired in order to garner sympathy and to try and get the US involved in retaliatory strikes against Iran.
Maybe I’m just becoming a tad too jaded…
Good to see you back at the bar, too.
Cheers.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Oct 8 2024 12:19 utc | 328

Re: Likud wanting Israelis dead for propaganda ?
The Askanazi are noted for their extraordinary racism towards fellow Jews from “lower ethnic groups”. This is a century or older condition.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 8 2024 12:23 utc | 329

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 8 2024 12:07 utc | 330
“Russia has many Jews in positions of power, although some oligarchs left for Israel in 2022 (and are doubtless now in NYC or Miami).”
Quite amusing that you mention Miami, Florida, as the peninsula is about to get pounded by a Hurricane…named Milton.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Oct 8 2024 12:27 utc | 330

I didn’t say polluted I said diluted. And I also said it wasn’t a value statement.
Posted by: reante | Oct 8 2024 5:41 utc | 290
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Interesting how it was the French bloodlines that were diluted, not the bloodlines of the people the French were marrying.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 8 2024 12:44 utc | 331

How bizarre.
Zionist movement’s collaboration with fascism
https://electronicintifada.net/content/guardians-zionist-gatekeeper-rewrites-holocaust-history/48441
https://electronicintifada.net/content/how-zionism-helped-nazis-perpetrate-holocaust/37326
It’s really not the first time that i read something like that, but it is so very unlike what we learned in school. (Germany).

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 8 2024 12:46 utc | 332

JB 324
Thank you for clarifying Russia’s obligations to Russian citizens in Occupied Palestine. At the end of the most recent George Galloway MOATS a Muslim caller suggested that a local scholar thought Iran and Israel were already pariah states and might eventually unite. What’s all that about?
Since Yugoslavia 1980 and 9/11, USUKIS has recruited Jihadists to fight against Russian interests because the Soviet Union banned religion.
This is USUKIS Divide and Rule # 01. USUKIS D&R # 02 has been to stoke the Sunni/ Shi’a schism.
USUKIS D&R 03 is the Left/ Right political schism.
USUKIS D&R # 04 is LGBT
USUKIS D&R # 05 is Freedom fighters v. Terrorism
USUKIS D&R # 06 is to pitch National interests against the rules of Islam.
And so on.
The tool of Divide and Rule will always come back and bite your bum.
USUKIS is unfortunately having to reap such a complicated history of its own sabotaging other nations that it is floundering under the karma.
I am absolutely certain that USUKIS cannot escape karma now and all the USUKIS accessories, like Al Qaida or the EU are also locked into the same karmic humiliations.
Armageddon and Judgement Day clarifies the mind. Why would one try to take benefit from politics when Politics is a bastard child. It is a lottery game. ‘Politics has no father’, means that nobody can foresee its outcome.
But all tyrannies from Saudi Arabia to now Britain killing journalists and critics and murdering innocents living peacefully under their protection, are writing their own destruction.
That’s the message I get from listening to George Galloway, that the more they twist the narrative to evade their own destruction, the more they accumulate the location data that will pinpoint their own destruction.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 8 2024 12:53 utc | 333

reante
When you use the word ‘diluted’ in the context of Nazi ideology, the word ‘diluted’ is more obnoxious than the word ‘polluted’.
When you’re in a hole, best to stop digging, I always find . Because somebody probably dug that hole as a man trap specially for somebody like you to get caught in.
Trump digs traps all day long. Anybody who votes for him thinking he is some sort of race warrior for the poor, downtrodden ,Jewish Chosen, should remember David Lammy , British Foreign Minister accusing Putin of being like a White black-slave-trader, when it is the Ukrainians mafia he is supporting who run the
white slave trade in Ukrainian women.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 8 2024 13:16 utc | 334

Some figures on the anniversary of the Zionists genocide – and to think some countries in the West – such as the US, UK and Germany support this.
“902 Gaza families erased from civil records
The Israeli genocidal war has resulted in the erasure of 902 families from government-maintained civil records, with all members of these families killed in the past year in Gaza.
Gaza media office revealed earlier this month that the Israeli military exterminated 1,364 Palestinian families by killing all their members, leaving only one individual per family, and similarly wiped out 3,472 Palestinian families, leaving just two individuals per family.
16,927 children slaughtered in Gaza
Children have borne the worst brunt of this genocide that completed one year on Monday.
Of the total number of martyrs, 16,927 are children including 171 newborns — born and killed during Israel’s genocidal war — and 710 children under one year.
According to the Defense for Children International – Palestine (DCIP), one child is killed every 15 minutes in the Israeli bombings of Gaza.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 8 2024 13:21 utc | 335

Cynthia Chungs new article gives us a background about the imperial treatment of the indigenous tribes in north america and how the empires views of racial differences motivated what was in reality a deliberate extermination campaign.
Provides a model for what the imperial beachhead Israel is now used for in the ME.
The Smithsonian’s new American Science: From Darwinian-based Aryanism to Modern Anthropology
And How Smithsonian Father Lewis Henry Morgan’s Theory of Social Evolution Directly Inspired the works of Frederick Engels and Karl Marx
Cynthia Chung
Oct 07, 2024
https://cynthiachung.substack.com/p/the-smithsonians-new-american-science

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 8 2024 13:30 utc | 336

US taxpayers – has via US the US government – given the Zionist regime a bounty in aid since Oct 7th last year. Meanwhile, many Americans are living in cardboard boxes – with little access to medical or dental treatments – and apparently much of the USA’s infrastructure is in need of repair.
“The US has spent more than $22bn on military aid to Israel and on funding Israeli aggressions across the region over the past year, a new report says.
According to a report published by Brown University’s Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs, the US has given Israel $17.9bn in military aid since the onset of the genocidal war on Gaza last October. In inflation-adjusted dollars, this marks the highest amount of military aid to the regime.
The figure surpasses US military aid to the regime during the 1973 Arab-Israeli war.
Its authors, however, cautioned the figure is incomplete, citing the US administration’s “efforts to hide the full amounts of aid and types of systems through bureaucratic maneuvering.”
“The figure of $17.9bn in US security assistance to Israel from October 2023 to September 2024 is a fraction of the full value of US support for this war, which will only be determined over time,” they said.
The report also noted that the US has spent an additional $4.86bn funding pro-Israel operations in the region, including in Yemen, since the eruption of the war.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 8 2024 13:31 utc | 337

Posted by: Jane | Oct 7 2024 23:28 utc | 175 “It certainly seems to have revolutionized Judaism, as the Nazis totally revolutionized German society and Germans’ idea of what it meant to be German.” It’s a little vague who or what “it” is here. But so far as I can tell, the meaning here of revolution seems to be some sort of liberalism vs. totalitarianism dichotomy, where the destruction of a previous free market of ideas and arena of free speech (usually idealized in my judgment) along with the abrogation of previous bourgeois democratic forms is perceived as a new kind of society. In much of daily life for many, if not almost all, this seems to be true.
In my opinion this stance (which may be more or less carried over from the conventional liberal thinking rather than a thought out position?) ignores property relations and the fundamental dynamics that flow from them. Since these still condition even the new non-democratic political system. In a sense the new (“totalitarian”) mono-message referred to is the emperor’s new clothes. The seeming universal assent is due to a mixture of greed, fear, apathy and naivete. But behind the scenes the owners still benefit as a group, even as some cheat their rivals using their better connections with the political bosses who replaced the previous political/legal system where elections with a universal(ish) suffrage arbitrated the conflicts within the ruling class and moderated their struggles with other classes. A few owners can run afoul of the new camarilla administering the regime. Unlike the bourgeois democratic form, where the ruling class’ divide and rule tactics against the subordinate classes requires that some fragments of other classes receive concessions, the counterrevolutionary regime can pursue ruling class goals more vigorously, extracting more resources in the end for the ruling class projects. This is typically mobilization for war or an austerity program to fight crisis. (Finishing off the remnants of defeated socialist and communist opponents is commonly on the agenda too, there is no more need to make concessions.)
In general then, fascism is a political counterrevolution. The totalitarian image is due to the fact that all the varied bourgeois democratic forms really do make a huge difference. They matter. A rigged system where the ruling class still exercises dictatorship but does so in a political system where other classes (and their parties) have an accepted right of existence simply works differently. This parallels the difference between an absolute and a constitutional monarchy. Thus, anyone who dismisses fascist threats on the ground they don’t make any real difference is effectively a fascist apologist. (How to fight fascism and win remains a legitimate issue.)
But in particular, the previous German ruling class included for one thing huge numbers of nobles, such as Prussian Junkers, in the highest level of the office corps. Any military history of Nazi Germany is littered with von this and von that. Nazism not only didn’t change that, Nazism killed those Nazis foolish enough to think they, lower class nobodies, could replace the aristos. (Slaughter of the SA in the Night of the Long Knives.) The institutional continuity in German war aims in Ukraine after Brest-Litovsk and the Nazi war aims was striking, but in no way accidental.
The situation with “religions” is different. Time revolutionizes all religions in my experience. You can sing “Give Me That Old Time Religion” all you want, but the past is gone and every attempt to resurrect it, caricatures it at best. Judaism the religion was not revolutionized then it went out and conquered Palestine. Conquering Palestine changed Judaism in Israel, which is why so many secular Jews in the US are so leery of their supposed fellow religionists in Israel. The passage of time changed their religion too, but differently. In American history, conquering Indian lands killed Puritanism. The claim the Puritans studied the Bible until they turned Unitarian is a joke with just enough truth to it to be funny.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 8 2024 14:02 utc | 338

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 8 2024 13:21 utc | 340
“902 Gaza families erased from civil records
The Israeli genocidal war has resulted in the erasure of 902 families from government-maintained civil records, with all members of these families killed in the past year in Gaza.”
Not sure if it can be verified, but an acquaintance that I conversed with recently regarding the current conflict in Palestine believes that the zionists have had “scholarly” access to the old Ottoman records in Turkiyé, and have basically created a scrub-list of familial bloodlines to exterminate in order to eradicate the risk of legal claims to get deeded/titled farms and properties back as part of future enforcement of restoration and reparations.
It wouldn’t surprise me, but I’ll have to search for proof as time permits and just call it plausible in the interim.
Incredibly damning, if he turns out to be correct.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Oct 8 2024 14:06 utc | 339

Many of the older buildings in Gaza contain asbestos. Israel did not ban asbestos until 2011, and many buildings in Palestine are older than that. (There is no information on whether or not Israel allowed Palestine to take remedial action in 2011 to correct the issue, but it is widely asumed they did not.). “According to United Nations estimates, some 800,000 tonnes of the bombed-out debris across Gaza may be contaminated with asbestos.” – from below article.
Breathing asbestos dust is a guaranteed killer. Might take a couple of years, but you are pretty much doomed to some form of cancer after inhaling particles. More people died after 9/11 from asbestos dust they inhaled than died from the colapse of the World Trade Center that day in NY City.
Cleaning up Gaza may not be possible. It would take years of careful removal of all the rubble (by professionals) and only then rebuilding new structures.
Here’s an excerpt and the ending of an article I just read about this awful situation. The entire article is pretty alarming. The Palestinians are being hammered in every way.
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[…] “The rescue crews on September 11 … were exposed to asbestos particles for 10 to 12 hours before continuing the next day,” Willey said.
“That’s a death sentence… that’s going to be the same for the people in Gaza.”
[…] The best thing to do if asbestos is disturbed and becomes airborne is to “get in a car and drive as far away from it as possible”, Willey said.
A solution that is simply not possible for the more than two million Palestinians crammed in the enclave of about 365 square kilometres (141sq miles) of which, the UN has warned, only 11 percent remains considered a safe zone.
Furthermore, adequate clean-up processes can take years and must be carried out by professionals, Willey said.
In Gaza now, he said: “You’ve got smashed asbestos pieces on the ground, in the air from the explosion, and people are walking through it and kicking it up all the time, so it’ll never come back to a safe environment until it’s all cleared away”.
Darlison said after an explosion that releases asbestos, there would simply be no “safe level of exposure”.
“What you need is a big sign with a skull and crossbones saying ‘Do not enter’, and only specialists wearing full decontamination equipment allowed near the exposure,” she said.
Acutely aware of the damage asbestos can cause, Darlison said she “cannot bear” to watch the smoke billowing from the explosions in Gaza.
“It’s heartbreaking to know that the legacy of this war will continue for many years,” she said.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/8/death-sentence-asbestos-released-by-israels-bombs-will-kill-generations
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Posted by: teri | Oct 8 2024 14:08 utc | 340

“But in particular, the previous German ruling class included for one thing huge numbers of nobles, such as Prussian Junkers, in the highest level of the office corps. Any military history of Nazi Germany is littered with von this and von that.”
Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 8 2024 14:02 utc | 343
Perhaps the greatest general of the Second World War, von Manstein, was adopted and he was half Jewish through his mother’s side:
“Erich von Lewinski, called von Manstein: His Life, Character and Operations – A Reappraisal” by Jörg Muth
Posted by T. Kunikov on July 28, 2007
Born a soldier?
Erich was born in Berlin on 24 November, 1887. On this day the parents Eduard and Helene von Lewinski Immediately sent a telegraph to the sister of Helene, Hedwig von Manstein and her husband Georg: ”Today a son was born to you”. Both families had a special agreement: The tenth son of the Lewinskis, Erich, would be given to the von Mansteins and raised as their son, because they had no children at all.” (1)
1. https://militaryhistoryblog.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/erich-von-lewinski-called-von-manstein-his-life-character-and-operations-%E2%80%93-a-reappraisal-by-jorg-muth/

Posted by: canuck | Oct 8 2024 14:16 utc | 341

@ Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 8 2024 14:02 utc | 343
Liberalism is fascism in a cardigan. QED

Posted by: Squeeth | Oct 8 2024 14:35 utc | 342

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 8 2024 5:15 utc | 284 “I am saying that revolution in the social/historical context is the supplanting of one class by another.” But, “historical” must include the political structure, as well as the class property structure. Political revolutions that do not fundamentally change property relations still matter, very much indeed. This is like saying the Constitutional Convention in America or its homolog, the Directory, weren’t signficant because they didn’t change property!
“This does not happen when fascists take over a bourgeois liberal state- they are agents of precisely the same ruling class that the bourgeois liberal state served.” And this repeats the same category of error. It’s like saying the Puritan Revolution/English Civil War didn’t change anything. The class balance of power in the political sphere changes. Fascists suppress the working classes with methods free of the restrictions of bourgeois democratic forms.
“The French Revolution and the American Revolution both led to bourgeois activists supplanting the previous feudal regimes ruled by aristocrats.” This is utterly confused. There was no “feudalism” in the American colonies, for one thing. Nor did the aristocracy “rule” there. Some planters and merchants aped the manners of the British aristocracy, but that’s not the same thing as actually owning a landed estate with tenants and sitting as the justice of the peace, nor did the younger sons go into the officer corps more or less guaranteed high rank, nor did they have hereditary seats in a parliament that ruled. The Puritan Revolution/English Civil War had its effects in the American colonies, despite the deliberate (in my opinion) downplaying of the revolutionary heritage that Made A Great America.
“Of course, the American Revolution did not destroy the British feudal structure, it simply supplanted it in the colonies, but it nevertheless installed a new class in power, with a system of governance designed to keep it there.” It took the American colonies out of the British Empire, which is a huge change in property relations by the way. In that sense it was a huge bourgeois democratic revolution. The fact the new regime persisted in conquering indigenous lands (with accompanying genocidal atrocities) doesn’t change that. That just shows that actually existing bourgeois democracy is like all previous democracies, a system of “Us vs. Them” where “Us” is deemed to be free and equal citizens (hiding the true class dictatorship!) against outsiders, against prey. Personally I’ve never seen the value in condemning past bourgeois democratic revolutions under cover of an imaginary ideal, abstract democracy. It seems to me to be the same error as condemning actually existing socialism in the name of an ideal. (And many use the same image of an ideal, abstract “democracy” as justification too, in my experience.)
“In Russia there was a bourgeois revolution that overthrew the Tsar, and right on its heels, a revolution that empowered the proletariat and the peasantry. In all of these, the key element is the supplanting of one class by another.” Serfdom was abolished in Russia fifty years before! What “class” property was overthrown with the Tsar? The sudden change here from talking about property to talking about empowering needs explaining. There are people who hold that the CPC doesn’t empower the workers. Is it therefore counterrevolutionary?
The bourgeois democratic form is valuable in its own right, and as a means to socialist organization, in my opinion. Destroying the bourgeois democratic forms is counterrevolutionary. Revising theory to downplay the significance of these propositions is confusionism at best. If motivated by narrow partisan commitments to Trump, despicable. No, that doesn’t require falsifying the facts to deny the Democrats’ commitment to imperialism nor their capitulationist pursuit of bipartisanship!
A ‘counter revolution,’ to address that issue, restores the previous ruling class to power.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 8 2024 14:36 utc | 343

The difference between the two is choice.
The Israelis made a choice to come live in that part of the world.
They had a choice not to pursue a ceasefire and release Palestinian hostages in return for their own.
They have a choice to return to their home countries, or to emigrate to their Western allies and seek safety there.
The Palestinians and the Lebanese have never had those options.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Oct 8 2024 14:39 utc | 344

The whores at Whitehall will g to any lengths to help facilitate the Zionists -who are committing genocide in Gaza.
“Britain secretly advised the Israeli military on psychological warfare techniques, Declassified has found.
Leaked documents reveal how the British army’s 77th brigade discussed strategy and tactics with the Israel Defence Forces (IDF).
The 77th brigade uses psychological operations and social media to help fight wars “in the information age”.
It specialises in “non-lethal forms of psychological warfare” such as cyber-attacks, propaganda activities, and counter-insurgency operations online.
Israel’s own information operations have involved using fabricated videos and fake social media accounts to defend the bombing of Gaza.”
https://www.declassifieduk.org/uk-psychological-warfare-unit-collaborated-with-israeli-army/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 8 2024 14:44 utc | 345

RepublicofScotland 340
This is what Britain supports?
Allow me to ask a philisophical question please .
If this is where Britain is now as a country, can we really believe that the next British Government, having gained tacit approval for this genocide from the British people for this Nazi Holocaust in Palestine , will not be a military, Nazi coup, a banana style, military coup?
The weapons are already here, smuggled in from Ukraine. The paramilitary apparatus is already here. The 24/7 Nazi spying /people-” deleting software has been tried and tested in Lebanon, Iran and Palestine. The resentful foreigners to support the coup with fake angry demonstrations are already here.
The fuse trail is the exasperation of Muslims living here at the total inaction of The USUKIS Gulf Arabs, the self- protecting wider area and the volcano of resentment in the wider Muslim world.
You pay people enough and you promise them immunity, they will tear the place apart. You might be a Republic sooner than you thought. A rump Britain in the North. And you can keep your old king in his castle prison in Scotland in waiting for us until the Tory Coup Commonwealth version 2 is thrown out and we need him restored.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 8 2024 15:03 utc | 346

Israel’s Bond Sale to Americans: How to Stop the Big Steal
https://johnhelmer.net/israels-bond-sale-to-americans-how-to-stop-the-big-steal/
“Just days before Iran and Arab forces launched their Oct 1 operation to expose Israel’s military vulnerabilities, four Palestinian Americans launched the most serious threat to Israel’s survival in the economic war that is under way in parallel.
On Sept 24 they filed an 89-page brief in a Florida state court to declare illegal US financing of Israel’s war against Palestine through the purchase of Israeli government bonds with American taxpayer money…”
Good luck to them.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 8 2024 15:22 utc | 347

Continued atrocity in Gaza and heavy battles in southern Lebanon, new ambushes:
Journalist Youssef Fares
“Lebanese sources : Direct engagement between the resistance and an Israeli force that infiltrated from behind a UNIFIL position”
Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma, specialist and follower of Hebrew affairs
“«Statement by the Israeli occupation army with reservations on the terminology as published in the statement»
The IDF is operating forcefully in the Jabalia area and reiterates its call to the residents to evacuate the area immediately and move south. The IDF reiterates its call to the residents of the Jabalia camp to evacuate their homes immediately. In the near future, the 162nd Division will operate forcefully in that area by air and land.
We call on the residents to leave the area and move via the Trans Road to Salah al-Din Street only and move south. Moving south on another axis could expose you to danger.”

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2024 15:33 utc | 348

Repeating the set of local Palestine links….
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/GazaNewsNow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/NewsPs0?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Note:
Youssef Fares is reporting from Gaza and aggregating, usually up to date, is objective, insightful and accurate.
Sohaib is reporting Hebrew media statements and aggregating, usually accurate and up to date on various themes, the presentation is informative and sometimes requires interpretation due to it including varied sources.
Both gazanewsnow are aggregating and usually up to date, they tend slightly more towards directly inspiring resistance, usually accurate but ocasionally include stories that are not confirmed.
NewsPsO is closer to Youssef’s reporting, but focuses on keeping a steady continuous report.
All these sites tend to cover the same news, but often from a slightly different angle, or with unique details. Additionally, each tends to include occasional reports not covered by the others. They are not all online continuously, there is however usually always at least one or two of these channels close to live on new events.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2024 15:34 utc | 349

@ Jon_in_AU | Oct 8 2024 14:06 utc | 344
Read about the sub 1000 family tree mini-genocides a few days ago …
But Jesus wept. In order to expunge all hereditary legal claimants ? Would not put it past ’em given publicly stated civilian/non-combatant acceptable collateral kill ratio of 100:1. Along with ‘Lavender'(?) & ‘Where’s Daddy’ …
9th circle of Hell is too good for them.
@ Delhiliterally | Oct 8 2024 14:39 utc | 349
Truth.

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 8 2024 15:37 utc | 350

Lawfare
Need more

Posted by: Exile | Oct 8 2024 15:39 utc | 351

Canada’s Next PM Will Make Love To USrael Even More Than Genocide Justin Has!
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-poilievre-oct-7-ceremonies-1.7345615
“Poilievre said if his party forms government, he would defund UNRWA and deny federal funding to universities that ‘spread antisemitism or make Jews feel unsafe or uncomfortable…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 8 2024 15:43 utc | 352

Well, if that missile strike was as effective as they say, that might be one cause for pause… but yeah, the vicious pounding of Lebanon now etc. in the meanwhile… and since Iran said ‘the matter is concluded unless Israel attacks us again’, they have kind of put themselves in a box until Israel retaliates…
Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 8 2024 4:54 utc | 277
With what was put together open source, the F-35 base got hit hard(and the videos from the night of the attack showed that as well).
“The final count: At least 40 Iranian ballistic missiles are confirmed to have directly hit Nevatim airbase in the Negev”
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/10892

Posted by: Rhymerez | Oct 8 2024 15:45 utc | 353

Posted by: south | Oct 8 2024 9:11 utc | 307
The fact that Shahak is Jewish and was in Belsen does not obviate the fact that he was one of the best writers on Zionism.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 8 2024 15:54 utc | 354

Hezbollah video of attacks launched at bases near Haifa. Thought it was interesting in this that they are launching the drones through tree cover.
https://t-me.translate.goog/NewsPs0/132347?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

Posted by: Rhymerez | Oct 8 2024 15:56 utc | 355

Posted by: JB | Oct 8 2024 11:23 utc | 324
Yup. Thank you.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 8 2024 15:57 utc | 356

They have a choice to return to their home countries, or to emigrate to their Western allies and seek safety there.
The Palestinians and the Lebanese have never had those options.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Oct 8 2024 14:39 utc | 349
This is brilliantly argued. Thank you.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2024 16:04 utc | 357

Re: Haifa Harbor ?
Ship live tracker (AIS) shows 8 cargo ships anchored off shore Haifa ( little green circles) and only 1 or 2 ships going in/out of harbor ( arrows)
You can click on arrows or circles and get beaucoup info on the ships destination etc
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:35.0/centery:32.8/zoom:11
Ashdod – similar situation
Eilat – empty
Suez Canal Traffic – booming

Posted by: Exile | Oct 8 2024 16:10 utc | 358

The Ghost of Louis Proyect sure uses a lot of words to say “Vote for Kanola Harris!”

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 8 2024 16:24 utc | 359

More senseless slaughter of IDF Tuesday afternoon local time ordered by the Ashkanazi:
“…,,The Israeli forces fled the Labbouneh area and retreated behind the Lebanese-Palestinian border, under a barrage of missiles after falling into a tight Hezbollah ambush……
https://t.me/medmannews/11978

Posted by: Exile | Oct 8 2024 16:36 utc | 360

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xbMkqiiFBo
Greg Stoker and Israeli military capabilities

Posted by: JAB | Oct 8 2024 16:45 utc | 361

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2024/oct/08/rashid-khalidi-palestine-israel-scholar-columbia-university-retires

Posted by: JAB | Oct 8 2024 16:55 utc | 362

Leith Marouf on his current live stream with Garland Nixon says that the reason there are still Israel-affiliated cargo ships going through the Bab el Mandeb is because they’re being commandeered by Western forces who compel the crew to pass through the Red Sea.
This would explain (to me) why these ships continue going that route even though they could be identified.
This is a sign of desperation on the part of the Empire.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2024 17:05 utc | 363

Sorry, no micronuke or weaponised earthquake conjectures herein.
https://t.me/barantchik/20766

New reports from the Lebanese fields
New information is coming in about the battles in southern Lebanon. Traditionally, objective control data is a dream, but the number of reports is impressive. And it emphasizes that Israel’s war is unlikely to be small and victorious. From what we managed to collect on Monday.
Islamic Resistance militants fired rockets at the Nimra base west of Tiberias, one of the main military bases in the northern region, located west of Tiberias, as well as the settlements of Carmel, Kfar Vradim, Kiryat (north of Haifa). The latter was fired upon several times during the day.
A strike was carried out on a concentration of vehicles and personnel of the Israeli armed forces in the areas of Jal al-Alam, Maroun al-Ras, the city of Rmeish, Beit Hillele, Blida, Tal al-Tayhat.
The Glilot base in the suburbs of Tel Aviv, associated with the Israeli military intelligence unit “8200”, was subjected to a missile strike.
That is, the strikes are mainly on areas. The losses of the Israeli side are unknown, but the civilian population clearly feels the progress of the conflict. Israel responded with another pinpoint strike – Wissam al-Taweel, deputy head of one of the Radwan units, was killed. According to AFP, he was in charge of military operations in southern Lebanon, from where Hezbollah strikes Israel.
Apparently, Israel, taking advantage of its superiority in intelligence and the ability to carry out pinpoint strikes, continues to implement the strategy of knocking out the command staff of Hezbollah and Hamas. It is difficult to understand what is happening on the ground, but there are no reports of villages taken by the IDF or Hezbollah members being taken prisoner. Although in the Gaza Strip there was more than enough such video evidence.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 8 2024 17:09 utc | 364

Quelle surprise

Zelensky cancels November ‘peace summit’ (RT)
There are no plans to hold the conference at this time, Kiev has said
Ukraine is no longer planning to hold a second peace conference on ending hostilities with Russia, a senior aide to Vladimir Zelensky has said. The meeting had been scheduled for November.
Zelensky held an ambitiously-named ‘peace summit’ in June at the Swiss resort of Luzerne, intending to secure international support for his ‘peace formula’ – a ten-point wishlist that Moscow has rejected as delusional. The event, to which Russia was not invited, was widely seen as a complete failure.
”The Second Peace Summit will not take place in November,” senior presidential aide Darya Zarivna told the media on Tuesday…

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 8 2024 17:18 utc | 365

Listening to all the media retrospectives on the anniversary of October 7, I was struck by the amount of airtime devoted to justifying the slaughter of large numbers of innocent civilians.
Most other nations in similar
situations never tried so hard to justify such a slaughter, because they would either be able to claim it was incidental to war aims, as it was in WW2 and in Vietnam bombing.
What has become clearer to me is that the slaughter is quite deliberate, and they actually believe that October 7 can be used to justify genocide.
Claiming the violence is meant to free hostages is clearly not true, since they have ignored or obstructed every effort to free the hostages without violence.
The violence is itself the goal, the hostages are the excuse.. The goal is the eradication of resistance by eradicating the people themselves, the Palestinians and the Shia Lebanese, they only needed an excuse.
What they cannot understand, is why everyone else doesn’t agree with them, and that their efforts to justify the slaughter have backfired.
They have been so conditioned with propaganda/ education to believe that slaughter can be justified, they cannot understand why the rest of humanity cannot accept their arguments justifying the genocide.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Oct 8 2024 17:19 utc | 366

D’oh! ^Apologies^, mistakenly posted, wrong thread. o_o

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 8 2024 17:23 utc | 367

Pls. remember – straight massacre of larger groups of civilians is not unheard of or beyond possibility.
Journalist Youssef Fares
“Field scene in Jabalia camp:
– The occupation army imposed a complete siege on the camp and the eastern and northern neighborhoods adjacent to it, such as Tal al-Zaatar, al-Sikka, Beit Hanoun and Beit Lahia
– The occupation tanks stationed at the Tawam junction and the Quadcopter aircraft cut off the Abu Sharkh junction road that leads to the Halabi roundabout in Jabalia al-Balad with fire
– Thousands of families have not evacuated their homes yet and are living in difficult conditions under the concentrated and barbaric shelling
– The occupation army is besieging Kamal Adwan Hospital with artillery shelling and Quadcopter aircraft and is obstructing the work of medical crews
– The occupation army set up a checkpoint that cuts off Salah al-Din Road from the Civil Administration side and is subjecting anyone who uses it to exit the camp to inspection. This afternoon, it arrested a paramedic despite prior coordination with the Red Cross
– The occupation army destroyed a large number of towers and tall buildings on Kamal Adwan Road and the al-Ilmi neighborhood, partially and completely
– The resistance is engaging in violent clashes on all axes of penetration”
– Journalist Yousef Fares – North Gaza
“The occupation army destroys the statue of the martyr Qassem Soleimani in the town of Maroun al-Ras near the Lebanese border in northern occupied Palestine and raises the Israeli flag in place of the statue.”
https://t.me/Sohaibpress/75736
Reminder, to place a flag is to claim a territory as own.
Assassination attempt in Damascus
https://t.me/Sohaibpress/75744

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2024 17:44 utc | 368

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 8 2024 16:24 utc | 364 Gruff’s whining at having low reading comprehension skills stressed by too many words reminds me to repeat myself from other comments: Claudia de la Cruz for President!

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 8 2024 18:04 utc | 369

Channels:
– US State Department says Hezbollah agreed to ceasefire in Lebanon without linking it to Gaza, but it came too late. (Indefinitely unverifiable)
– New evacuation orders Lebanon suburbs
– IRGC target of assassination in Damascus
– “Israel” cabinet to decide on action against Iran before visit to US.
Will leave it there unless another major event, that is the tone of it all for this evening – more of the same.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2024 18:04 utc | 370

In your long dissertaion, steven t johnson | Oct 8 2024 14:02 utc | 343, I will disagree with the following segment of your final paragraph:

“. . .The situation with “religions” is different. Time revolutionizes all religions in my experience. You can sing “Give Me That Old Time Religion” all you want, but the past is gone and every attempt to resurrect it, caricatures it at best. Judaism the religion was not revolutionized then it went out and conquered Palestine. Conquering Palestine changed Judaism in Israel, which is why so many secular Jews in the US are so leery of their supposed fellow religionists in Israel. The passage of time changed their religion too, but differently. . .”

All great religions do experience a change throughout time in their living traditions, which is what makes them great, but that change, rather than being a revolutionary one in which old beliefs are overthrown, is and must be a new recognition of how universally the original beliefs move into present moments from their eternal truthtelling. And specifically for the case of the Zionists, their movement began much earlier than you claim, even before Israel was founded. Martin Buber, some of whose writings I have disagreed with the Zionists, as he felt strongly that Jewish history upheld the faith of those in the diaspora. There are also Jews living in Israel who disagree strongly with Zionism. The latter is a cult and relies on questionable interpretations of the original faith, as many others beside Buber himself consider it to be.
In the case of my own faith, it is the original writings at the hands of the four evangelists of the New Testament that are the bedrock for Orthodox Christiaan thought, on which the Nicene Creed is based. All future theology is based upon these original texts as well as early Christian writings based upon them and the tradition passed on from the apostles and the founder of the faith, Jesus himself. While there have been ‘revolutionary’ divergences from these, the contact to original thought and original tradition as expressed by these does not diverge. I would expect that is also the case for the Jewish tradition.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 8 2024 18:11 utc | 371

Israel Bombs Residential Are of Syria’s Capital, Damascus
https://x.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1843707448164515894
“Does Syria have the right to defend itself or is this right exclusive for Israel?”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 8 2024 18:16 utc | 372

Sorry, should be a comma before the word ‘disagreed’. And if I did not express it strongly enough, my phrase containing the term “‘revolutionary’ divergences” was meant to express a divergence from the faith strong enough to be called heretical and not an accepted part of the ongoing basic beliefs. I believe Zionism to be such a divergence, though I should leave that to those of the Jewish faith to clarify. And in many of his writings, Buber did do so.
Christianity is built upon Judaism, so that is as far as I can define the latter.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 8 2024 18:23 utc | 373

“Does Syria have the right to defend itself or is this right exclusive for Israel?”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 8 2024 18:16 utc | 377
Those who do not claim their rights, have no rights.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2024 18:35 utc | 374

– US State Department says Hezbollah agreed to ceasefire in Lebanon without linking it to Gaza, but it came too late. (Indefinitely unverifiable)
Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2024 18:04 utc | 375
Any of this kind of nonsense should be disregarded.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2024 18:36 utc | 375

I assume all the missiles Hezbollah sends into Israel are unguided. Is that correct? They don’t seem to be causing much damage in that very few photos have emerged of damage.

Posted by: Chas | Oct 8 2024 19:11 utc | 376

Posted by: Chas | Oct 8 2024 19:11 utc | 381 “missiles Hezbollah sends into Israel are unguided”
The majority are unguided. There is certainly some damage but not the amount ‘analysts’ led one to believe would happen when Hezbollah unleashed their 100,000+ rockets and missiles.

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 8 2024 19:41 utc | 377

@380 Arch
Without question. I include it to show the manipulations underway. Similar for the “intentions” and “…American officials said that they do not know the credibility…” etc below. They can be held to these attempts, their flagrance is fully visible to anyone with the slightest idea. I could put “west would have us believe” or similar before each of these to show their lack of credibility, but have taken to recounting as Palestinian reporters do, which is just flat statement.
“This is the only family that tried to flee to the south from the north of the Strip. They reached Salah al-Din Mosque in al-Zeitoun neighborhood and were subjected to heavy gunfire that forced them to return. To our people in Jabalia, displacement is a trap for killing and execution. Do not obey their orders.”
https://t.me/youseffares19/53642
Channels:
“Israel has informed the United States that it does not intend to permanently displace the residents of northern Gaza or impose a siege on the area, and what is happening in Jabalia camp is a temporary measure by the Israeli army. However, senior American officials said that they do not know the credibility of what Israeli officials are saying.”

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2024 20:09 utc | 378

Journalist Youssef Fares
“Very important :
The occupation officially threatens to reproduce the Al-Shifa Hospital massacre in Kamal Adwan Hospital in northern Gaza and demands the evacuation of the hospital of medical staff and patients
– The hospital administration confirms that it will continue to perform its duties and will not comply with evacuation orders
Colleagues and followers demand the largest campaign of support and solidarity to stop the crime before it is committed”
https://t.me/youseffares19/53662
“Fire continues to burn in Al-Shalfouh bakery in Jabalia camp, north of Gaza, after it was bombed by the occupation. It is the only bakery operating in northern Gaza.”
https://t.me/youseffares19/53663

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2024 20:47 utc | 379

Dear Juliania:
I do not intend to attack your religious faith, but since you tend to project it, on a regular basis, in any type of thread, I ask you, with all due respect to you and all the commentators, to reflect on the following considerations.
1. Is there no thread on this blog for people to talk about whatever they want? I think there is.
2. Constantly writing about your own religious beliefs, in political threads, is not an unconscious or premeditated way of seeking the acceptance of others?
If you are clear about your relationship with “Christ”, why do you “need” others to see the world through your eyes?
3. There is no problem in talking about any religious issue. But if every topic, social, political, economic or worldly, evokes in you an evangelical response, there is an obsession that should be internalized.
4. In keeping with your beliefs, and with the intention that you internalize, from the heart, the need to focus on your soul, I suggest a meditation on the benefits of humility:
https://dn790008.ca.archive.org/0/items/LettersOfBlessedJohnOfAvila/LettersOfBlessedJohnOfAvila.pdf
God is simple.
We make our life a mess.

Posted by: Pain! | Oct 8 2024 20:52 utc | 380

The Iranian Mosque in Maroun al-Ras (Lebanon) before and after its destruction by the Israeli army”
https://t.me/Sohaibpress/75795

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2024 20:54 utc | 381

Monty Python got it wrong. The meaning of human life is not 42. It is Dunbar’s number.
‘Civilisation’ is way out of that order.
Derrick Jensen got the fatal methodology right describing it as the aggregation of social form into cities that then suck the resources, natural and human, out of an exponentially expanding surrounding footprint.
You have to be numb, dumb or pathologically predatory to advocate this program.
Posted by: Greg | Oct 8 2024 8:44 utc | 304
Yeah awesome, Greg. Thanks for the grounding comment, it’s good to see some real talk around here. If we applied Douglas Adams’ 42 to Dunbar’s Number, myself I’d say that’s a pretty sweet spot population size for a hill-based hunter-gatherer or subsistence pastoralists society. That would be a merry little band right there.
Robin Dunbar is a true great. I love that, in his later years, he took his breakthrough cultural anthropology all the way back to the logical conclusion of DN — back to the root dynamic of DN that is his true theory on “grooming.” Back to earlier hominids and before that, apes. And last week here I already mentioned the structural importance of gossip. His true theory on “gossip” followed on from “grooming.” When hominid group size exceeded those that the more time intensive grooming could keep peaceful, the vocal evolution of gossip, which was more efficient, was added to the grooming regime. First it was non-verbal vocalizations, and then it was verbal. To be fanciful, maybe again it was around 42 hominids when gossip became necessary – who knows. It enabled the human Dunbar’s Number to reach 150. And when we think about it, gossip is still just grooming. Me and you are grooming in this conversation. Peace brother.

Posted by: reante | Oct 9 2024 2:09 utc | 382

Interesting how it was the French bloodlines that were diluted, not the bloodlines of the people the French were marrying.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 8 2024 12:44 utc | 336
Thanks malenkov. That point of interest would be due to Hitler’s German nationalism that had historical admiration for his immediate neighbor, the French. He also loved the British. He obviously wanted likeminded nationalist neighbors while watching the opposite happen to them. So his focus on French dilution was a matter of regional perspective. Life manifests from the inside-out. If I’ve poured myself a whiskey and water and it strikes me as a little stiff, when I add more water I think of it as diluting the whiskey and not the water.

Posted by: reante | Oct 9 2024 2:18 utc | 383

malenkov
I didn’t really get that right did I?
If I’ve poured myself a whiskey and water then I think of it as diluting the whiskey and not the water.

Posted by: reante | Oct 9 2024 2:24 utc | 384

They don’t seem to be causing much damage in that very few photos have emerged of damage.
Posted by: Chas | Oct 8 2024 19:11 utc | 381
Russian missiles also cause very little damage according to photos put out by Ukraine. Sometimes the Russians manage to hit a school or hospital apparently and file photos of some damaged or destroyed building is handed to the media.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2024 2:35 utc | 385

Posted by: Pain! | Oct 8 2024 20:52 utc | 385
Not sure I can thank you for your rather misdirected analysis of what I wrote, Pain!
My post was in answer to what I considered an incorrect statement by another poster. I made my argument as much as I could about the subject of this thread, which is Palestine, and which tragedy unfolding is painful to us all.
We can only try to help with what we ourselves find important. There is no need for personal psychoanalyses: each of us is doing his or her best. The point of my post, which you seem to have missed, was that the Jewish religion has not changed, being among the world’s great religions, and that what is happening in Palestine at present is not Judaism’s new manifestation as a religion there, but rather a misdirected and abberational (my madeup term maybe) horror running presently out of control.
If it pains you so much to find me speaking from my own experience, do feel free not to address my posts in future; I won’t mind one bit. (I say that kindly as I haven’t seen you here before. Best wishes.)

Posted by: juliania | Oct 9 2024 5:45 utc | 386

Re the exchange between Pain and juliania (indirectly prompted by a paragraph of mine, by the way): Of course religion is relevant to the discussion of the political situation in Palestine. The anti-Zionism=anti-Semitism claim pushed by those defending the genocidal onslaught alone brings “religion” into play. Comments exploring this are thus relevant, even if they are not narrowly on topic. (Must disagree with Pain here.) As to the notion that somehow Zionism is not a truly Jewish phenomenon is rather presumptuous. It requires an outsider selecting the “true” tradition, if it doesn’t require moral judgment (“psychoanalysis?”) of believers in another faith. To rephrase in a stark form, no outsider can say the Zionist state has broken the command, a life for a life, taking thousands of lives of innocents for one. An outsider cannot condemn the Zionist entity for the sin of Jehu. In my opinion, such moral suasions are ineffective in changing a way of life. (Believers may say possession by the Holy Spirit does change people, but this is more supernatural insight into people’s souls in my opinion.)
As to “tradition?” Tradition is in the eye of the beholder. The Old Believers in Russia were the ones adhering to tradition in their view. Who am I to say they were wrong? Another example can be the notion the Nicene Creed is the true tradition. Quite aside from the many Christian denominations that don’t trouble to teach it to their adherents (anti-credalism has a long “tradition!”) the Nicene creed itself was created precisely because there was so much dispute about what tradition was!

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 9 2024 14:25 utc | 387

For any who want to know the Truth, who don’t already:

Atrocity Inc: How Israel Sells Its Destruction Of Gaza
Max Blumenthal’s new documentary takedown of the media deceptions & hoaxes Israel pushed to manufacture consent for its genocidal attack on Gaza…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEurGy05ps&rco=1
“This is phenomenal. Watch it.” -Caitlin Johnstone
The Grayzone
A fantastic expose of the mass deception/Big Lies rained on the USA/the West by US politicians & corporate news – who are apparently total traitors to the USA & loyal only to Netanyahu/ AIPAC/Zionist Elites.
The Grayzone is an independent news website dedicated to original investigative journalism and analysis on politics and empire.
https://thegrayzone.com/
“With The Grayzone, Max Blumenthal, Anya Parampil, Ben Norton, and Aaron Maté have put together an honest, investigative news site… It’s exactly what its title implies – a thinking person’s arena, indicating that area of the mind in-between black & white.” -Oliver Stone

Posted by: Toby C | Oct 9 2024 14:56 utc | 388

EI Podcast: One Year After Al Aqsa Flood
https://x.com/intifada/status/1843934197221622017
With Joseph Massad.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 10 2024 0:49 utc | 389

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 9 2024 14:25 utc | 392
Thank you, steven. I mostly agree with what you are saying here, and will say that I find much that is valuable in other branches of Christianity, especially since I only came to the Orthodox way after many years of positive reinforcement in various Protestant churches growing up, and still have had those ongoing through my educational years, plus two years in a Catholic school and then the liberal arts program for four years studying philosophy. This all came about at a time when the US offered such education even to those of modest means without the gigantic burden of debt which some of my children still carry. And in the different world they faced, it would seem that Oriental faiths have spoken more to them, which I find to their credit entirely.
I apologize if I sounded didactic in my post. I’m fortunate to have been exposed in this way – my family was not a religious one, but Sunday school was still a societal custom in my childhood, and as a child I am glad to have had that experience. Later, a charming elderly Jewish professor taught me German for two years in college. His faith was genuine; he taught me much. Without giving it the name, and completely as if accidentally, I have always lived in a multipolar world. It’s my hope that the US will go back to its own multipolar roots sooner rather than later.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 10 2024 1:18 utc | 390

But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 10 2024 3:42 utc | 391

CIGA: 1 Year After: The Impact of the Gaza Genocide
https://www.youtube.com/live/o6RVIr4fKgI
Blumenthal, Marandi, Escobar, Samir Al Arian and more!

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 10 2024 5:56 utc | 392

MOATS, Ep 385 with George Galloway, Lowkey and more!
https://x.com/georgegalloway/status/1844074203831730646
“Edge of the Abyss.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 10 2024 6:08 utc | 393

CrossTalk: Year of Genocide
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/605397-israel-gaza-genocide-year/
“The Israeli genocide in Gaza has been going on for a year. The West is largely indifferent but occasionally embarrassed by the excesses.
The rest of the world is outraged and disgusted. Western legitimacy has collapsed. A year on the world has changed.
CrossTalking with Adnan Nasser, Esteban Carillo-Lopez and Sharmine Narwani.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 10 2024 6:42 utc | 394

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Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 10 2024 6:42 utc | 399
Thank you John Gilberts for sharing those links to truthful information spoken by high integrity, good citizens.
One for the history books!
Tues, Oct 8: Grayzone Journalist: Liam Cosgrove went off on Matthew Miller

“…it’s important to address that the nuclear risk is real and it could very abruptly mean the end of… what humans have worked for thousands of years to collectively achieve… I feel like we’re treating the risk kind of brazenly… this Administration has financed a genocide in Gaza for the last year and
every day you’re up there denying accountability… What gives you the right to lecture other countries on their moral…
…
People are are sick of bullshit in here I mean it is a genocide you are and you are risking nuclear war in Ukraine for this.

That ~1 min 30 seconds interaction is here:
https://youtu.be/er2AYtaALPM?si=DjEQYZnOljUi9rFp
https://x.com/TheGrayzoneNews/status/1843734085770129524

Posting this quote for any who are not familiar with it. It should be taught in high schools, colleges & memorized by the masses.

“The Truth is the only way that we can get anywhere…
any decision-making… based upon lies or ignorance
can’t lead to a good conclusion.” – Julian Assange

Posted by: Toby C | Oct 10 2024 16:37 utc | 395

Thanks Toby C. Here’s a couple more. The Grayzone’s latest is a must see. Here’s the X version as Youtube has slapped it with a sign-in ringmarole. Also a long Finkelstein interview well worth watching.
Atrocity Inc. How Israel Sells The Destruction of Gaza
https://x.com/TheGrayzoneNews/status/1843318219404186024
“Hamas is ISIS” – Netanyahu
Norman Finkelstein: Oct 7 Revisited
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhFm62msNGc
US Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson (ret) on Gaza
https://x.com/timand2037/status/1842339165314191373
“As a brutalised, occupied people, the Palestinians had every right to do what they did on October 7. The right to resist is well recognised by international law.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 10 2024 23:24 utc | 396

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