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October 7, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-240

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

> In the year since, Israeli soldiers have posted thousands of videos and photos on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok and YouTube.

These videos and photos form the foundation of the I-Unit’s new film, which investigates Israeli war crimes primarily through the medium of the evidence Israeli soldiers themselves have provided.

It is, according to Rodney Dixon, an international law expert featured in the film, “a treasure trove which you very seldom come across … something which I think prosecutors will be licking their lips at”. <

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Wyatt at DPA says that Iran made a nuclear weapons test. Some people have said it was an earthquake, but wave form doesn’t look like an earthquake, it looks like a nuclear test.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 19:47 utc | 101

Re: Genociders posting on MoA
Always most illuminating to read the Genociders‘. Worthless to respond to their tripe, but even so it’s illuminating to see someone justify genocide

Posted by: Exile | Oct 7 2024 19:47 utc | 102

Vladimir Jabotinsky arrived with his Zionist troop of Ukrainians, Poles and Lithuanians in 1917 with the British Empire to found “our colonial project” (Vladimir Jabotinsky)
The first massacres of the local population perpetrated by these violent and fanatic Ukrainians emigrants were in 1936
Massacres to make clear who is the dominant people, the “HerrenVolk”, and who are “the people of the (dominated) land” (“am ha’eretz”) which is what the Rag Doll rules in the hands of Aramaic ventriloquists: Book of Joshua and Book of Deuteronomy

Posted by: Simon | Oct 7 2024 19:49 utc | 103

Although a proxy for the US in the region, due to zionism, Israel is also more like an appendage, a part of the US.. . .
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 7 2024 15:49 utc | 38
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I just read that Nazism was a “top-down” revolution in Germany.
Germans were not ready or willing to really rise up against anyone in the late twenties. They were just trying to survive.
Can Zionism be called a top-down revolution among the Jews—most of whom were not interested in it unless pushed and prodded by the under duress.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 7 2024 19:52 utc | 104

I just read that Nazism was a “top-down” revolution in Germany.
Germans were not ready or willing to really rise up against anyone in the late twenties. They were just trying to survive.
Can Zionism be called a top-down revolution among the Jews—most of whom were not interested in it unless pushed and prodded by the under duress.
Posted by: Jane | Oct 7 2024 19:52 utc | 106
Fascism is always a ‘top down revolution,’ since it’s the form of the class dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie in times of crisis. The word ‘revolution’ is really out of place here, though, because the big capitalists have more direct control of government than they did under ‘bourgeois democratic norms.’ Nothing gets overturned in the class structure.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 19:57 utc | 105

“a proxy for the US in the region”

This is a colossal lie
To begin with, the Palestinians would be a hundred times better partners of the West than this bunch of fanatics of a medieval Polish-Ukrainian ethnic group forged by the rabbis
And to finish, it is the Zionists of Washington, New York, London and Paris who hold the reins of the Western Beast
When the Likud in front of the television cameras at the Congress in Washington called for unleashing Chaos and Terror in Iraq and sending a million Iraqis to hell …
the American servants obeyed
and so on

Posted by: Simon | Oct 7 2024 19:59 utc | 106

If the israelis “controlled” the USA, they wouldn’t be sending their 19 year old sargeants to be smoked by yassin rockets in Gaza and Hezbollah explosives in the north. There is NO SHORTAGE of dumb, white, impressionable american young men ready to be put into the iron sights of a Hamas RPG.
The why are the israelis, who have a small population of 9 million, giving away their kids in the war? Don’t they hold all the cards? Don’t they pull all the strings in Washington? The why aren’t they sending american kids to die in their place?
Whoever says that Israel commands the USA and isn’t able to answer this question has no footing in this discussion. America has its hand firmly in the wheel, denying that is trying to build some cover to the robber barons (most of them protestant anglos, by the way) that run this place for the last 300 years.

Posted by: justaman | Oct 7 2024 20:06 utc | 107

Posted by: Jane | Oct 7 2024 19:52 utc | 106
Dear Jane there is no revolution botoom up.
French and russian were both of them top-down.

Posted by: Roberto | Oct 7 2024 20:08 utc | 108

this is video is a must watch depicting conclusively that Israel was behind the Oct 7 false flag
please watch
https://www.bitchute.com/video/usljth1J5Xwr

Posted by: ld | Oct 7 2024 20:11 utc | 109

If the israelis “controlled” the USA, they wouldn’t be sending their 19 year old sargeants to be smoked by yassin rockets in Gaza and Hezbollah explosives in the north.
Posted by: justaman | Oct 7 2024 20:06 utc | 109
They are saving them for Iran…Just wait a bit.

Posted by: Dave | Oct 7 2024 20:12 utc | 110

The Zionists of Washington, New York, London and Paris hold the reins of the Imperial Beast
The director of the biblical asylum only has the power that the Zionists of Washington, New York, London and Paris grant him
and, on the other hand, there are discussions between the Pharisee Zionists and the Sadducee Zionists
(using archaic but appropriate terminology)

Posted by: Simon | Oct 7 2024 20:14 utc | 111

Do you mean the Arabs who were told to leave by the attacking Arabs but didn’t in 1948?
Do you mean the Arabs who rejected a peace deal that would have led to a Palestinian state in 2000?
Cognitive Dissonance you display.
Posted by: Thought Thinker | Oct 7 2024 19:34 utc | 100
NO I mean the settlers, arriving from far away, soon converted in child-murderers, ethnic cleansing all the Palestinian lands even today (as in West Bank), and murdering, torturing, raping, abusing, maiming, jailing and insulting with total impunity the civilian population from almost 80 years ago, destroying any possibility of a 2 states solution and killing the jew prsident that sign the accord.

Posted by: Dave | Oct 7 2024 20:18 utc | 112

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 19:47 utc | 103
Wyatt at DPA says that Iran made a nuclear weapons test. Some people have said it was an earthquake, but wave form doesn’t look like an earthquake, it looks like a nuclear test.
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My amateur understanding is that the waveforms are quite distinct, with earthquakes having pre- and aftershocks… so those who know would know just about everywhere… but what’s his source? Couldn’t find that video…

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 7 2024 20:20 utc | 113

Al Jazeera TV presenter confirms Iran has conducted nuclear tests.
Yesterday it was reported that the 4.6 magnitude earthquake that occurred the day before in the Tehran area was the result of a nuclear weapons test.
“>https://t.me/ZandVchannel/129740

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 7 2024 20:22 utc | 114

Perhaps that is why Germany, France and even blinkenstein are calling for a truce now???

Posted by: motorslug | Oct 7 2024 20:24 utc | 115

Does it seem little to you that the American taxpayer has paid for the ammunition for a colossal massacre of men, women and children in the Warsaw ghetto, i mean Gaza
The Zionist regime is pure Barbarism
The Zionist regime is not a Civilized state because it does not recognize a good part of the local population as Citizens because its ideology is Zionism, that is: the brutal distinction between a dominant people and a subjugated population living in ghettos without civil rights and under military domination of artillery and aviation
“Our colonial project” is a bloody madness: an identitarian ethno-nationalism over a local population

Posted by: Simon | Oct 7 2024 20:27 utc | 116

Many here are no different than Nazi sympathizers who helped slaughter millions WW2.
Posted by: Thought Thinker | Oct 7 2024 18:17 utc | 73
For the sake of clarity, would ‘Nazi sympathizers’ include Zionist terrorist groups like Lehi, who during WW2 tried for form alliances with Nazi Germany ?

Posted by: Red Star | Oct 7 2024 20:27 utc | 117

I don’t know if this is genuine or not, but the account has been suspended.
https://x.com/WarWatchs/status/1842890274898313412

Posted by: Vencingetorix | Oct 7 2024 20:31 utc | 118

The great voice of Jonathan Cook. He used to be The Guardians foreign correspondent until they squeezed him out 15 years ago. Got CANCELLED before that was a thing. He knows them and the British media inside out.
Follow him. Support him. We need such expert voices. Just like b.
It’s not just me saying so.
‘Patrick Henningsen
@21WIRE
Oct 6
#NeverAgain FACT: Oct 7th the Israeli Regime unleashed their ‘Hannibal Directive’ where the IDF killed scores of their own citizens – before blaming g their deaths on Hamas and using them as justification for a genocide in Gaza…
Jonathan Cook
@Jonathan_K_Cook
Oct 6
It’s quite incredible that the Guardian has again revisited the Hamas attack of October 7, this time by detailing events at Kibbutz Nir Oz a year ago, and failed to mention that the Israeli army fired on its own civilians, killing at least one kibbutz member, Efrat Katz.
The Israeli media has reported repeatedly that the army invoked the hugely controversial Hannibal directive on October 7 – which authorises soldiers to kill their comrades to stop them being taken captive. But on that day, it was extended to executing Israeli civilians too.
Western media outlets have tried as best they can to bury this aspect of October 7, even though it came to light within days of the Hamas attack. The Guardian finally wrote a low-key report last July on the directive, basing it on investigations by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, but has avoided mentioning the directive since.
That the Guardian can retell the events of 12 months ago without mentioning the Hannibal directive entirely discredits its reporting.
The author of this piece, Bethan McKernan, has become one of the main players, along with her newspaper, in distorting the historical record of October 7 in ways that have made it easier for Israel to justify its slaughter in Gaza.
Earlier, she peddled an entirely evidence-free narrative that Hamas had committed “mass rape” on October 7, recycling claims from a now discredited report in the New York Times. She included a particularly lurid, and implausible, tale about Hamas fighters playing a game of football with a severed woman’s breast while in the middle of the battlefield.
In the next tweet is a link to one of my many stories outlining the extent to which western outlets like the Guardian and BBC have peddled a mix of misinformation and disinformation about October 7 – and thereby assisted Israel in manufacturing consent for Israel’s mass slaughter in Gaza.
Oct 6, 2024 · 5:31 AM UTC ‘

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 7 2024 20:32 utc | 119

Elon (and fuckerberg) takes his orders directly from nuttyahoo.

Posted by: motorslug | Oct 7 2024 20:33 utc | 120

The great Temple was not built by a rabbi from Ukraine, but by an Arab king, Herod “the Great”, son of “the Idumean” and a princess from Petra
“Moses” father-in-law is an Arab priest
“Yahweh” is an Arab deity (various archaeological sources) who came from the South (Song of Deborah)
The founding Zionists, violent Ukrainian and Polish emigrants of a medieval ethnicity forged by the rabbis … hated everything Semitic,
and would have preferred “the land of Canaan” to be an island between Denmark and Norway

Posted by: Simon | Oct 7 2024 20:36 utc | 121

Wyatt at DPA says that Iran made a nuclear weapons test. Some people have said it was an earthquake, but wave form doesn’t look like an earthquake, it looks like a nuclear test.
Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 19:47 utc | 103
I haven’t found anything official about the waveform, but a geo blog said it was indeterminate.
Yesterday I did follow an X link to, iirc, USGS explaining depths. Apparently “10 km” is a default that covers a wide range when depth can’t be determined.

Posted by: Mary | Oct 7 2024 20:43 utc | 122

Jane | Oct 7 2024 19:52 utc | 106
If we look at Post WWII, various forms of extremism are little more than tools for the Anglo American powers that be.
Islamic extremism, Nazism, Zionism. Very much top down. Modern psychological operations ect.
Zionism as it is now was I believe originally a British creation. Islamic extremism of today is a CIA Saudi creation from 1979. Nazism – nurtured By US UK since WWII. Origins a little more organic, a product of its times and I guess certain elements in pre-existing German thinking of the time.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 7 2024 20:45 utc | 123

Posted by: Mary | Oct 7 2024 20:43 utc | 124
Yesterday I did follow an X link to, iirc, USGS explaining depths. Apparently “10 km” is a default that covers a wide range when depth can’t be determined.
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Continuing my dumb amateur speculation, if a test or tests triggered an earthquake or earthquakes, that would still be detectable with the sensitive seismic equipment now available… apparently it’s almost impossible to hide these now…
But yeah, it would certainly encourage thoughts in the direction of a ‘crasefire’… bit late now, methinks…

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 7 2024 20:48 utc | 124

I recommend Professor Peter Peterson’s “Propaganda for War”, 1935, University of Nebraska……
Peterson details how London manipulated the American media with fake German war crime stories via cash bribes and threats. They skillfully whipped up American public opinion to point that German and Irish Americans were attacked in the streets and or arrested and imprisoned for anti Brit views on the European War of the Cousins.
Its a very old book and very good too, and totally relevant to the IDF fake news stories about civilian deaths on October 7th (most Israeli civilians deaths resulted from IDF Apache air strikes on the Rave festival kids, and IDF tank fire on civilian homes in the Kibbutz’…………), this is no joke, as Joementia would say (over and over again) !!
Remember the fake Brit news story of the bayoneted nurse murdered by the Germans? Same phony BS over a century later. Or the fake WMD story from GW Bush and R. Cheney and company……..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 7 2024 20:48 utc | 125

Hitler got most of his ideas from the US ‘reservation’ system, slavery and the UK original concentration camps in South Africa.

Posted by: motorslug | Oct 7 2024 20:51 utc | 126

Posted by: Jane | Oct 7 2024 19:52 utc | 106
Well, as it turns out, it was a bit like that.
According to Israel Shahak, the people most threatened by the gradual emancipation of the Jews from 1789 to 1917 were those who either ran the ghettoes or who served as intermediaries between the ghettoes and the Xtian population. I’ve got to find the book I read that in because there was a lot of other outstanding material.
Anyway, it was those people who were facing the loss of their power who were behind the emergence of Zionism. So now they’re running Israel, a ghetto, on behalf of the West. Dream come true.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 7 2024 20:52 utc | 127

Maybe a small bomb in a really deep hole could confound, but if Iran were testing now surely the point would be NOT to mask it too much to send the message. Anyway, I’ll drop it…

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 7 2024 20:53 utc | 128

Wahhabi-type Islamic fundamentalism was promoted because
1) it served to harm Russia and China
2) it served to destroy societies with an Islamic cultural tradition
3) it served to create Islamophobia in the West
win win win
Zionism (if you are interested in this topic you can read its bloody pamphlets: Book of Joshua and Book of Deuteronomy) is an ideology of an Aramaic ruling class from the Persian imperial era that founded the province of “Yehud/Judea” and then expanded to “Perea”, “Galilea” and “Idumea”
The first version created a great fracture between the people of the ruling overlords and “the people of the land” (“am ha’eretz”) and the matter ended very badly.
And this remake (1917-) of the old film is even worse than the original version.

Posted by: Simon | Oct 7 2024 20:58 utc | 129

Thinker 100 – the reason the Arab armies invaded was because the Irgun and the Stern gangs and their related offshoot terror groups had begun massacring whole villages of Palestinians in and around Haifa and the south Galilee Valley…….read about the atrocities committed by the 7th and 8th Armored Brigades of the Israeli militia……..
No the IDF has a long and disgraceful history of massacring Palestinian villages, burning their crops, slaughtering their livestock, and bulldozing their vineyards and orchards………..
The blood lust of the IDF is really pathological………..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 7 2024 21:00 utc | 130

Meanwhile, it is reported that hundreds of Shahab-3B and Fattah-1 and Soumar missile systems have entered combat duty routes in Iran.
Unambiguous news from Tehran, speculation about a preemptive strike on the nuclear facilities of the Iranian program by Israel and Trump supporting it in this can lead to very strong disappointment for those who are desperately pushing for this young Jewish state.
A source in the Islamic Republic, in a private conversation with an official close to Khamenei, said that “Allah has already given us everything, everything is far from the eyes of the Zionists, and we are ready to release this genie in response to any hint of a real threat to the existence of our state”
“>https://t.me/vicktop55/27118

Remember when Allah told Iran that nukes where a sin? No? Neither do I.
Of course Iran had nukes and had them for a while otherwise its conventional force is useless. It’s impressive they managed to keep Israel at bay all this time, or misinformed, despite the Mossad infiltration, destroyed centrifuges, and murdered scientists they are locked and loaded. That wasn’t a test, much too late for that, it was a message.
My guess is they worked out a deal with N.Korea or Pakistan, and maybe Russia going through N.Korea, not that I think Russia gives much of shit about appearances toward the west anymore. First Iran built the missiles, proved their worth with two strikes and now let Israel and the USA know they are locked and loaded.
Think about all the spasms coming out of the west over the last 20ys about Iran and nukes, JCPOA HCR/Kerry/Trump shit on off off on. Netanyahu bloviating in the wilderness, and he was right! Iran has nukes and the west can go suck eggs. Question is will Israel and the USA push them like they are pushing Russia? Only problem is one miscalculation and the tiny nation of Israel ceases to exist, forever. Netanyahu seems to have stepped in shit, now it’s mano a mano across the Mid East.
Strange Mexican standoff world we live in where everyone has a nuke to everyone’s head.
https://static1.colliderimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/The-Good-The-Bad-and-the-Ugly.jpg
Unfortunately, I doubt the USA can take the bullets out of Israel’s gun.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 7 2024 21:12 utc | 131

Zionism antedates Nazism. Hitler is known to have been a voracious reader. I wonder what influence Herzl and other Zionists may have had on Hitler.

Posted by: Lysias | Oct 7 2024 21:14 utc | 132

I was thinking about Iran as a crude oil exporter until I look at what they are selling an to whom. I found why Lindsey Graham was so vehement about striking Iranian refineries : the people crafting his talking point did their homework.

Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Oct 7 2024 21:21 utc | 133

I remember when the only republican worth a damn since Eisenhower, Ron Paul, was in the debates. He basically said what right do we have to prevent Iran from nuclear weapons when a dozen other countries have them, including izzs. He was deafeningly booed by the entire audience and infuriated the clowns on stage.

Posted by: motorslug | Oct 7 2024 21:24 utc | 134

Nukes are only good if they are known. A deterrent. NK did not hide theirs.
Russian and China had been against nuclear proliferation but Trump changed that.
After Trump pulled out of the Iran nuke treaty, Both Russia and China were against renewing Iran nuke related UN sanctions when they came up for renewal. Can’t remember if they vetoed them or what, but UN nuke sanctions on Iran sanctions were not renewed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 7 2024 21:25 utc | 135

Hiro Masamune @ 135

I was thinking about Iran as a crude oil exporter until I look at what they are selling an to whom. I found why Lindsey Graham was so vehement about striking Iranian refineries : the people crafting his talking point did their homework.

It’s no secret Iran mostly exports to China, they are sanctioned and no one else in the Empire is powerful enough to go against orders. It’s not like it’s a nefarious deal btwn Iran and China, Iran was forced into it, China doesn’t take orders.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 7 2024 21:29 utc | 136

@ LightYearsFromHome | Oct 7 2024 21:12 utc | 133
Have great difficulty believing Iran would launch a nuclear first strike on Occupied Palestine.
IF they have the bomb, possibly limited surgical strike/s only, and only in retaliation of Israeli nuclear launch/first strike/s. Take out Tel Aviv. They have more than enough conventional assets to wipe the floor, let alone multi-domain assymmetric options.
See: Dr Stranglove. Nuclear deterrance only works if publicized and accompanied by open declaritive policy.
Agree, fast approaching probable risky mexican standoffs.

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 7 2024 21:37 utc | 137

@ Peter AU1 | Oct 7 2024 21:25 utc | 137
Um, not vetoed, UNSC resolution grandfather clause expired (IIRC). Good to see you’re on top of your game & travellin’ better since was last online. Cheers mate.

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 7 2024 21:43 utc | 138

The Cradle has a posting up about the seismic activity in Iran with the title
Iran earthquake sparks speculation of covert nuclear weapons test
https://thecradle.co/articles/iran-earthquake-sparks-speculation-of-covert-nuclear-weapons-test
Its a MAD, MAD, MAD world…and has been for quite a while

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 7 2024 21:43 utc | 139

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 7 2024 21:37 utc | 139
Okay, so if that was a ‘test’, it was effectively a declaration. Deterring a first strike and underlining what sounds like overwhelming conventional superiority.
Meanwhile Lebanon is getting truly ugly.

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 7 2024 21:49 utc | 140

@ Turdworld | Oct 7 2024 21:49 utc | 142
An ambiguous, possible only ‘test’, undeclared, don’t cut it. Must be unambiguous & openly declared, accompanying policy/capability announced, IMHO. Note, numerous ballistic missiles operationally deployed are already, by design, dual conventional/nuclear capable, only require the attached warheads …
Interesting nick, any deeper meaning apart from the obvious ?

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 7 2024 22:09 utc | 141

7 October – three positions:
– Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei in his Friday sermon on 4 October 2024:
Both Islam’s laws on defense, our own constitution, and international laws – laws that we didn’t help to draft… affirm this undeniable fact that every nation has the right to defend its land, home, country, and interests against aggressors. What this means is that the Palestinian people have the right to stand against an enemy that has seized their land, occupied their homes, destroyed their farms, and ruined their lives. The Palestinian nation has this right [to defend itself]. This is a strong logic that international laws affirm today too….the Palestinians are defending their own land. Their defense is legitimate and supporting them is also legitimate. So all these attacks, including Operation Al-Aqsa Flood which took place around this time last year, were internationally legal, logical correct moves. And the Palestinians had this right. (From official translation)
– Gennady Gatilov, Russian permanent representative to the United Nations Office and other international organizations in Geneva, in a statement posted on the Russian mission’s Telegram channel,
“On October 7, 2023, the world was shaken by a horrifying tragedy in Israel, which claimed the lives of nearly 1,200 people and shattered thousands of human fates.” “A year ago, we witnessed a terrorist attack, which we condemned, offering our deepest condolences and support to the people of Israel, as well as to the families of the victims, the injured, and those taken hostage. There is no and can be no justification for this gruesome massacre, the victims of which were civilians, including women and children,” he went on to say. (TASS)
– Writer and political commentator John Wight : No ugly oppression has ever given rise to a pretty resistance
The simple and unvarnished truth is you cannot keep 2.2 million people confined to a latter-day Indian reservation for 17 years, control their access to electricity, clean drinking water, and all the necessities of life, while also denying them freedom of movement, dignity, hope and a future. No, you can’t do all that and expect next-to-no resistance. 
This is the context in which Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, launched by Palestinians in Gaza one year ago today, must be understood. No ugly oppression has ever given rise to a pretty resistance.
(The Meaning of October 7, Consortium News)

Posted by: JB | Oct 7 2024 22:13 utc | 142

Jane 106 there are no bottom up revolutions because civilization ir a top down afair. There are revolutions and fake color revolutions. I believe that the third reich was a revolutionary movement, i believe the coming national socialisms are color revolutions, but are so for a very good reason, that being the prevention of the chaotic collapse of a nuclear civilization.

Posted by: reante | Oct 7 2024 22:15 utc | 143

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 7 2024 22:09 utc | 143
An ambiguous, possible only ‘test’, undeclared, don’t cut it. Must be unambiguous & openly declared, accompanying policy/capability announced, IMHO.

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 7 2024 22:25 utc | 144

Outraged | Oct 7 2024 21:43 utc | 140
Good to see you back again too outraged. Was beginning to wonder if you had fallen off your perch.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 7 2024 22:30 utc | 145

My amateur understanding is that the waveforms are quite distinct, with earthquakes having pre- and aftershocks… so those who know would know just about everywhere… but what’s his source? Couldn’t find that video…
Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 7 2024 20:20 utc | 115
Sorry, I should have linked it but I don’t know if the site allows links to Rumble. Wyatt has a bunch of graphs of wave forms from particular regions where there have been both earthquakes and underground nuclear tests, such as Russia, Pakistan, and India, they seem to show a very distinct difference between the slow-rolling wave form with pre-shocks and the nuclear blast wave forms that look like a cartoon trumpet blaring toward time zero. The Iran wave form is of the latter shape. I can’t vouch for the source of the wave charts, but if they’re legit, it’s a pretty obvious nuclear blast. In any event, everybody who counts can definitely tell what it is or is not, I don’t think there’s much room for ambiguity.
I suspect that Iran does not make a public announcement because they don’t want to fuel ‘Iran has nukes!’ hysteria in the west, particularly the US congress and executive offices and would prefer to let the cooler heads in the Pentagon explain to the pols that striking Iran is off the table unless they want to initiate global nuclear war. And I strongly suspect that the generals, even the political generals, will decline to follow those orders.
Of course, if it’s just an earthquake after all, none of that matters.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 22:31 utc | 146

“UNIFIL forces launch distress calls and publish photos in Irish newspapers to remove Israeli soldiers and their armored vehicles from the Irish battalion center in Maroun al-Ras, which is located 50 meters from the border, after they hid while being pursued by resistance missiles.”
https://t.me/GazaNewsNow/335304

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 7 2024 22:31 utc | 147

I haven’t found anything official about the waveform, but a geo blog said it was indeterminate.
Posted by: Mary | Oct 7 2024 20:43 utc | 124
I can’t vouch for Wyatt’s charts, but if they are legit, there’s nothing indeterminate about it.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 22:33 utc | 148

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 19:57 utc | 107 “Fascism is always a ‘top down revolution,…”This part is true. Fascists are not put into power by the mobilization of the majority against Communists or Jews or even immigrants, it’s always with the cooperation of some of the big bourgeoisie/nobility/generals with what mass support they have largely from the petty bourgeoisie and some of the lumpen. The Nazis did not take power by winning street fights, but by political intriguers nominating Hitler as Chancellor. Hitler had to consolidate his power by appeasing the generals with the blood of his storm troopers, the death of Roehm et al. Indeed, Hitler was nominated after the Nazi party’s high tide in parliamentary elections, when they had at least temporarily began to lose in electoral strength, The argument one of the reasons the big bourgeois conservatives and generals felt more comfortable bargaining with Hitler was precisely because his independent strength had diminished putting the more legalistic or cautious conservatives in a better position, has some plausibility. (Not conclusive, too much of a counterfactual.)
“…since it’s the form of the class dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie in times of crisis.” Unclear as to the nature of the crisis. It’s common to say the crisis is the imminent threat of socialist revolution, but this is not the case. In the case of Germany the crisis was largely economic (the failure of such schemes as the Young and Dawes plans and the cul-de-sac of the Great Depression) and the desire to mobilize for war, for conquest and colonies. The continued existence of the liberal democrats of various types as well as the Social Democrats and the Communists was an obstacle, even though the real threat of socialism was pretty nil ever since the last great crisis in 1923.
“the big capitalists have more direct control of government than they did under ‘bourgeois democratic norms.’ This is incorrect as written. The people who ended up with the most direct control were of course Hitler and his subordinates like Goering, Goebbels, Hess, and so on. They were not big capitalists! Better to have written, the big capitalists have direct intervention by the lawless state on their behalf in the economy, both domestic and foreign (including military adventures.)
“Nothing gets overturned in the class structure.” Something of an exaggeration: The annihilation of trade unions and their replacement by government organizations labeled trade unions is a change in the class structure. Government enforced changes in wages, regressive taxation and direct financial support of selected big capitalists, legalized cartel structures, etc. This sort of thing is not an overturn of capitalist property relations, but they are infringements on the previous system. In my opinion, it is however incorrect to claim this sort of thing constitutes socialism, not even “national socialism.” Individual capitalists suffer from the loss of political power but as a class, the capitalists derive some benefit, even at the expense of the petty bourgeoisie so far as I can tell.
Nothing gets overturned in the class structure.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 7 2024 22:36 utc | 149

A Tribute to Hamas October 7th:
A fun one:
https://tass.com/world/1853205
MIDDLE EAST CONFLICT
7 OCT, 12:58
“Hezbollah fighters use paragliders in attempt to infiltrate Israel’s northern border — TV”
“BEIRUT, October 7. /TASS/. Hezbollah Shiite militia units used paragliders to infiltrate the northern border of Israel, Lebanese independent TV channel Al Jadeed reported on Monday citing its unnamed Israeli sources.
According Al Jadeed, several fighters were spotted in the sky flying paragliders over the border areas of the Upper Galilee in the north of Israel. There was no ***information as of yet whether Israeli troops eliminated them”***
Apparently they didn’t or would’ve plastered it all over the new…wonder if they were on-the-ground reconnaissance mission or just out for the day celebrating…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 7 2024 22:38 utc | 150

https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1843376145741512951
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
What Israel is planning for south #Lebanon?
My take to @AJEnglish
https://mediaview.aljazeera.com/video/pmL5mRuItM

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 7 2024 22:41 utc | 151

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 7 2024 22:09 utc | 143
An ambiguous, possible only ‘test’, undeclared, don’t cut it. Must be unambiguous & openly declared, accompanying policy/capability announced, IMHO.
The people that count know if it’s a nuke or not. Period. There’s no need to announce it- if it was a nuke, everybody who matters knows, and if it wasn’t, they know that too. There are also a number of back channels, and it’s quite possible that Iran informed the US via intermediaries that the blast would take place. If, in fact, we do get public acknowledgement that it was a nuke, which we might not. It’s entirely possible that Iran is giving the US as much face-saving cover as it can so that the US can rein in Israel without being publicly humiliated- the concern here being its own public, not the RoW public, who will also know it was a nuke if the US stops the genocide. There don’t have to be any leaks for that, it’s simple global strategic logic. I think that the observed pattern of Iran, and Russia for that matter, is to avoid bluster and backing the west into a rhetorical corner.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 22:42 utc | 152

It seems like these nuclear rumors may be gaining enough traction that they become the Hidden Hand’s set-up for the long anticipated pre- US election big nuclear scare. Whether that means iran actually did a nuclear test or not is immaterial; iran must comply with all HH directives as it pertaims to the now 5 year old Non-Public Degrowth Agenda or else – just like everyone else. The big scare being israel nuking iran and irans response. We can be confident that iran’s oil infrastructure will survive because the DA, above, isn’t stoopid.

Posted by: reante | Oct 7 2024 22:43 utc | 153

Ok, here are is a seismic chart with waveform comparisons between quakes & tests and a chart allegedly of the recent activity.
I’m no seismologist and I’m looking on my phone screen with 70+ year old eyes. Sure looks like a test pattern.
Strategic ambiguity?
https://x.com/ArmchairW/status/1843002316020224099

Posted by: Mary | Oct 7 2024 22:44 utc | 154

Re: https://t.me/GazaNewsNow/335304
Posted by: Ornot | Oct 7 2024 22:31 utc | 149
Once Peacekeepers pull out, Hezbollah will deal with them.
Possible UNIFIL compromised and USReal trots through with their 2 Battalions…
Either way, they’ll all be killed.
Guessing Hezbollah giving them a chance to do their jobs, and not interfering. I understand UN sent a “convoy” already over to assist. Will see if they do their jobs, or pave the way for USReal to enter in force by trickery.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 7 2024 22:44 utc | 155

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 22:33 utc | 150
I think the charts you mention are shown in the Cradle article Psychohistorian linked above… interesting, but no way of knowing provenance and genuineness from a twitter image…
Iran earthquake sparks speculation of covert nuclear weapons test
https://thecradle.co/articles/iran-earthquake-sparks-speculation-of-covert-nuclear-weapons-test

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 7 2024 22:47 utc | 156

Posted by: Mary | Oct 7 2024 22:44 utc | 156
Yes, that’s the image in the Cradle article…

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 7 2024 22:51 utc | 157

https://x.com/ArmchairW/status/1843002316020224099
Posted by: Mary | Oct 7 2024 22:44 utc | 156
Yes! That’s the same graphic as DPA showed. I can’t prove it’s legit, but if it is- that’s a test.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 22:51 utc | 158

Multiple explosions hazard and seen in Isfahan, Iran. No details yet.

Posted by: Alpi | Oct 7 2024 22:54 utc | 159

heard

Posted by: Alpi | Oct 7 2024 22:54 utc | 160

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 7 2024 22:47 utc | 158
Yes. The Twitter post is so far the only source.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 22:57 utc | 161

Repeating for Telegram blogger.
An interesting intelligence sign:
“Four American tanker planes in Israel are not a good sign.
There are already eight tankers with a total capacity of 400 tons of fuel, that is, 480 thousand liters, plus European aircraft with 200 tons, i.e. 240 thousand liters. This makes it possible to refuel up to 720 thousand liters, i.e. for the flight of strike aircraft to Iran with 7000 liters per car, which gives about a hundred fighter-bombers.
Which resembles a large-scale operation that goes beyond a simple symbolic response, with a total capacity of 500 tons of bombs and missiles fired into the air.
And this American involvement cannot be understood in terms of a conventional operation to support an ally that does not need it for a limited operation.
But be that as it may, a concerted decision to reduce Iran’s foreign policy ambitions or simply do away with this state, which, in addition to attacking their interests in the Middle East, “committed the crime” of siding with Russia on the Ukrainian issue.
This party is as much a message as a sign of an impending massive attack, certainly secretly approved by the Arab countries of the region, except Syria and Iraq, unable to resist the operation.
Since these planes are not supposed to wait on the runway waiting for a political decision or a flight and operations plan, everything is probably ready with the consent of the United States, and the Centcom commander is clearly not by accident that he arrived in Israel.
Therefore, it is likely that today or tomorrow there will be the beginning of a wider conflict, the course of which no one can predict.”

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 7 2024 22:58 utc | 162

“….we will have a special place where we put the pictures of the journalists who allowed it to happen. There will be a wing for the CNN, BBC and Times journalists who were the enablers of the genocide.”
all these media enablers should someday be on trial at The Hague…. you know, like the allies did at Nuremberg
https://x.com/Jonathan_K_Cook/status/1843073744203293025
Jonathan Cook @Jonathan_K_Cook
Surgeon Ghassan Abu Sitta: “In the future, when we have a museum for this genocide [in Gaza], we will have a special place where we put the pictures of the journalists who allowed it to happen. There will be a wing for the CNN, BBC and Times journalists who were the enablers of the genocide.”
Watch this Al Jazeera documentary in which whistleblowing western journalists tell about pressures behind the scenes at major outlets to tone down the coverage of Gaza:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAmk4efA2t0
Inside Western media’s reporting on Gaza | The Listening Post
Al Jazeera English

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 7 2024 23:00 utc | 163

A quick search for earthquakes in Iran brings up any number of results like this.

Iran lies on major seismic faults and experiences one earthquake a day on average. In 2003, a magnitude-6.6 earthquake flattened the historic city of Bam, killing 26,000 people. A magnitude-7 earthquake that struck western Iran in 2017 killed more than 600 people and injured more than 9,000.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/five-dead-44-injured-strong-earthquake-iran-rcna36441

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 7 2024 23:07 utc | 164

@ Honzo | Oct 7 2024 22:42 utc | 154
if, if, if, possible, if, might not, possible, if … 😉
Dog damned, that’s one helluva chain o’ caveats re uncertainty intermixed with speculation & assertion on a Nation State, World ending issue.
Unconvinced, though not disagreeable if further substantive corroborating indicators/evidence surface. Twatter ? We’ll know soon enough, IF.
Cheers
OT – @ Peter AU1 | Oct 7 2024 22:30 utc | 147
Fell off me perch ? In a manner os speaking. Old bones, bad fall, got all busted up, surgeries, rehab, another fall, rinse & repeat, rinse & repeat, gifted Golden Staph. Bedridden, left sides useless from the neck down, immune compromised … but I ain’t dead yet. 😉

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 7 2024 23:10 utc | 165

So according to Bernhard, on October 7, 2023 Israel just suddenly decided to kill hundreds of its own citizens, because Jews are weird, and nothing else was happening that day, huh?

Posted by: Kimo Loka | Oct 7 2024 23:10 utc | 166

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 22:31 utc | 148
I have great respect for Wyatt as an analyst. The guy has a brain. i do not use rumble so have not seen his assessment but if he says it, chances are it is true.
mind you I have assumed that Iran has had nukes for years. While i am sure they stopped working on them when there was a real chance of sanctions being lifted, from the moment Trump got it I feel sure they would have restarted.
Russia would NOT have given them much help until recently, since there was always the chance that iran would return to the western world, but since the clear division has been clear over the last 5 years, more help would have been given.

Posted by: watcher | Oct 7 2024 23:11 utc | 167

To ld 111
This is really an outstanding, must watch, video, establishing facts on what actually happened on Oct 7th – far from what is commonly disseminated by all parrots
Many thanks
Dany

Posted by: Dany the blond | Oct 7 2024 23:17 utc | 168

🇷🇺🇸🇾 In the past 24 hours, the Russian Aerospace Forces carried out strikes on three identified militant bases in Syria, according to the Center for Reconciliation of Opposing Sides.
It was also noted that during inspections of shelters of illegal armed groups, which were hit by the Aerospace Forces since September 23, 16 caches of American-made weapons were discovered.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 7 2024 23:18 utc | 169

When they try and push their October 7th propaganda on you, show them this
This one video ALONE is worse than ANYTHING Israel ever endured…
https://x.com/i/status/1843373787099844626

Posted by: ld | Oct 7 2024 23:20 utc | 170

That said, there were no concentration camps for catholics.
Posted by: JAB | Oct 7 2024 16:57 utc | 54
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That statement betrays utter ignorance of the Third Reich.
It also shows ignorance of the difference between Konzentrationslager, Arbeitskommandos, Umerziehungslager, und Vernichtungslager. The character and purpose of all of these camps evolved as the Nazis planned and then took Germany to war.
The first concentration camp was KZ Dachau, opened on March 22, 1933. It was not “for Jews.” It was “for” anyone who did not go along with the Nazi Party’s early decrees and laws to quash all dissent and erect a totalitarian system in order to totally transform the country—quickly.
It was “for” the Nazis’ political opponents. They came in all religious and political stripes. For instance, journalists who did not toe the new line, Socialists, Communists, pastors, priests, doctors, administrators, etc.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 7 2024 23:20 utc | 171

Al Aqsa Flood Operation in Imam Khamenei’s Words
10 min English language video from Imam Khamenei

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 7 2024 23:21 utc | 172

The word ‘revolution’ is really out of place here, though,
Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 19:57 utc | 107
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You are saying, out of place in connection with Zionism?
It certainly seems to have revolutionized Judaism, as the Nazis totally revolutionized German society and Germans’ idea of what it meant to be German.
The Nazis were expert propagandists who used every communication means and propaganda technique to saturate the helpless population with the mono-message. The Zionists, too.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 7 2024 23:28 utc | 173

It took awhile to compose, “Al-Aqsa Flood–One Year Later,” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/al-aqsa-flood-one-year-later

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 7 2024 23:31 utc | 174

This is from the Tehran Times. I don’t have any experience with this paper – it may be all propaganda.
Big, if true:
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TEHRAN – The Iranian parliament is drafting a defense and security pact to be signed among “Resistance groups and their supporting countries”, according to reports by Iranian media. 
The proposed legislation seeks to create a common defense structure designed to counter external threats, particularly from the United States and Israel. According to the text of the proposal, all member countries or freedom movements will be required to provide comprehensive support—including military, economic, and political assistance—should any member state come under attack from Israel or its allies.
Key clauses within the proposal stipulate that any freedom movements included in this pact must receive approval from Iran’s Supreme National Security Council. Additionally, the executive regulations for the pact, including the establishment of a secretariat and the delineation of responsibilities among various agencies, will also be overseen by this council.
One of the most significant aspects of the proposal is the establishment of a joint military headquarters intended to facilitate coordination between Iranian forces and Resistance groups. The headquarters would serve as a central command for managing military operations and crisis response, reinforcing operational capabilities through planned joint military exercises.
The representative who introduced the proposal to Iranian media emphasized that this pact aims not only to enhance military cooperation but also to bolster infrastructure development for Resistance groups. Collaboration in building military bases and training centers is expected to improve readiness against potential threats.
As Israeli aggressions in the region persist, the formation of this defense structure could pave the way for greater stability and security among member countries. If successfully implemented, it is believed that this alliance could significantly shift the balance of power in the region, presenting a formidable counterweight to Western influence seeking to wreak havoc in West Asia to Israel’s benefit.
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/504686/Iranian-parliament-drafting-Resistance-pact-to-bolster-regional
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Posted by: teri | Oct 7 2024 23:33 utc | 175

@ Jane | Oct 7 2024 23:20 utc | 173
But as a group, Catholics were not Nazi opponents. Some Catholics of conscience were, but were outnumbered by Catholic Nazis, to say nothing of those who just went along.
(The same can be said for German Protestants, although Jehovah’s Witnesses were, unlike Catholics and Evangelische, that is, Lutherans, persecuted as a group.)
So that’s why JAB is correct: There were no camps for Catholics, although it would’ve been better to say that Catholics were not a persecuted class/group. Bluntly put: Catholics weren’t opposition. The rapid self-dissolution of the Catholics’s party in the Reichstag is sufficient demonstration of that fact.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 7 2024 23:35 utc | 176

@161
“Note :
There is no Israeli attack on Isfahan.
All the published images are false.”
From :
Telegram gazanewsnow2021

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 7 2024 23:35 utc | 177

I have great respect for Wyatt as an analyst. The guy has a brain.
Posted by: watcher | Oct 7 2024 23:11 utc | 169
He is much dumber than he looks.
This guy still believes Palestinians lived in luxury in Gaza and that 7 October was the fault of the Palestinians.
There’s a reason why he stopped producing Palestine sitreps months ago.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 7 2024 23:36 utc | 178

Lowball Military Censor BS ?

Israel reveals its military losses (RT)
More than 700 Israeli troops have been killed in the country’s bloodiest conflict in five decades
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has published an extensive casualty list, revealing that it has lost at least 726 troops since the war in Gaza began a year ago. More than 4,500 soldiers have been injured in the same period.
Some 726 Israeli soldiers, reservists, and security officers have been killed since the Israel-Hamas war began a year ago on Monday, the IDF said in a statement on Sunday. Of that number, 346 were killed during ground operations in Gaza, which began on October 27 last year.
These losses are the highest suffered by Israel during any military conflict since the 1973 Yom Kippur War, in which more than 2,600 Israeli soldiers were killed. The IDF noted that the current body count only includes those “whose names have been permitted for publication,” meaning that the true number could be significantly higher.
Of the 726 killed, 56 died due to friendly fire or other “operational accidents,” the IDF stated.
A total of 4,576 Israeli troops have been injured since the beginning of the war, 2,300 of them during ground operations in Gaza, the statement continued …

Casualties outside of Gaza incurred on Lebanon border, ‘Ineffective’ Iranian/Hezbollah missile/Rocket strikes, hm ?

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 7 2024 23:37 utc | 179

Posted by: teri | Oct 7 2024 23:33 utc | 177
The big challenge here is how to keep the mossad operators out.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 7 2024 23:38 utc | 180

@ Jane | Oct 7 2024 23:20 utc | 173
…and I see I failed to mention that little thing called a Concordat…

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 7 2024 23:39 utc | 181

@JAB 129
Many thanks,
Israël Shahak’s book « Jewish history, Jewish religion, the weight of 3000 years » is indeed fundamental reading for anybody willing to be aware of Israel’s and Jewish basics , as far as their relations to non-Jews. In a nutshell, non-jews are quasi non-humans, or animals, compared to the exceptional, god-selected jews.
This explains many things in current world.

Posted by: Dany the blond | Oct 7 2024 23:39 utc | 182

Posted by: Jane | Oct 7 2024 23:20 utc | 173
I am aware that the first people sent to the camps were the commies. Then came the jews, the homosexuals, the gypsies, and an assortment of “lesser” people.
I am not aware that catholics as such were sent to the camps. That’s the only thing I was taking issue with.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 7 2024 23:43 utc | 183

I have great respect for Wyatt as an analyst. The guy has a brain. i do not use rumble so have not seen his assessment but if he says it, chances are it is true.
Posted by: watcher | Oct 7 2024 23:11 utc | 169
You don‘t need Rumble to watch it:
https://youtu.be/C7sIEmjAFAA?feature=shared

Posted by: NoName | Oct 7 2024 23:43 utc | 184

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 7 2024 23:35 utc | 178
Thank you.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 7 2024 23:44 utc | 185

Somebody threw out a time-boxed prediction a couple of weeks ago about a ceasefire deal being reached between Israel, Hamas, and the US with Blinken-boy closing the deal by the 15th of October. It’s already the 8th in Israel, so this one has seven days left before it hits its’ sell-by date. I’ll continue to track that and offer a post-mortem next week, if needed.
Obviously it doesn’t look really good for that prediction, but predictions are tough, especially about the future.
I’ll throw out one as well – more of a probability-based prediction. I give it maybe a 1/3 chance. Bibi goes for broke and attacks Iran’s oilfields to jack up the price of crude and help Trump in the election. Biden is now whining about this exact scenario; hence the offer to pay off Netanyahu NOT to attack certain targets.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 7 2024 23:46 utc | 186

Posted by: ld | Oct 7 2024 23:20 utc | 172
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That video seems to be staged. Please don’t promote stuff like this. It lowers the signal of real suffering.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 7 2024 23:46 utc | 187

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 7 2024 20:48 utc | 127
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Re anti-German propaganda and the use of propaganda in general, especially in film as soon as the technology became available in the late 19th C., I found this video to be excellent:
1935: Triumph of the Will — The Power of Propaganda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7hJVaTW45M
It considers Leni Riefenstahl’s Triumph of the Will in this historical context and shows some clips of earlier anti-German propaganda used to drive the British to accept war against Germany (WW1).

Posted by: Jane | Oct 7 2024 23:46 utc | 188

Posted by: Jane | Oct 7 2024 23:28 utc | 175
Initially “revolution” meant a return to an initial state, as in cosmology.
I forget when it switched to the modern meaning: either with the English or the French revolution.
I believe more recently “revolution” is meant to indicate a left-ward turn, and “counter-revolution” is meant to indicate a right-ward turn.
So the end of communism in the Soviet Union was a counter-revolution conducted by some of the nomenklatura and the black marketeers.

Posted by: JAB | Oct 7 2024 23:47 utc | 189

@Peter AU1 20:45 #125
I’ve seen the narrative advanced that the use of Muslims as the boogeymen started much earlier: as a fallout of the 1967 Sepoy war in India where Hindus and Muslims fought shoulder to shoulder against the British. That after that, the “divided and rule” aphorism was applied and the successful campaign has had Hindus and Muslims at each others’ throats ever since.
In one of my previous jobs I had a peer who was a naturalized US citizen born in India. One time after I had seen news of violence between Muslims and Hindus in India to the tune of hundreds of deaths, I asked him about it. His reply was “I don’t care about those people” meaning Muslims.

Posted by: ockham | Oct 7 2024 23:53 utc | 190

I really need to get in the habit of using Preview and proofing, apologies.
*1867* not 1967.

Posted by: ockham | Oct 7 2024 23:54 utc | 191

I am not aware that catholics as such were sent to the camps. That’s the only thing I was taking issue with.
Posted by: JAB | Oct 7 2024 23:43 utc | 185
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany
Now you are.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 23:57 utc | 192

“The IRGC’s Quds Force Commander Brigadier General Esmail Qaani is safe despite recent rumors regarding his well-being, confirmed Brigadier General Iraj Masjedi, Deputy Commander of the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) Quds Force for Coordination Affairs.
During a local ceremony at the Shahid Beheshti Cultural Complex on Monday, Masjedi addressed the issue, stating that Qaani was currently carrying out his mission without disruption in light of escalating regional Israeli aggressions.
“He is in good health and is carrying out his activities. Some ask us to issue a statement… there is no need for this,” he was quoted as saying by Iranian state media. ”
Almayadeen

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2024 0:00 utc | 193

Posted by: ockham | Oct 7 2024 23:53 utc | 192
1967 Sepoy war in India…
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1857…
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reply was “I don’t care about those people”
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Hindutva…
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Don’t care much about Gaza in general either, as discussed by this mainstream historian here:
https://www.telegraphindia.com/opinion/partners-in-crime-accomplices-who-aid-and-abet-israels-war-efforts/cid/2053281

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 8 2024 0:01 utc | 194

So that’s why JAB is correct: There were no camps for Catholics, although it would’ve been better to say that Catholics were not a persecuted class/group. Bluntly put: Catholics weren’t opposition. The rapid self-dissolution of the Catholics’s party in the Reichstag is sufficient demonstration of that fact.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 7 2024 23:35 utc | 178
Nobody claimed there were camps FOR Catholics, rather, Catholics were sent to concentration camps. Not in the numbers or proportions that Jews and Gypsies were, because they were a third of the German population, but the church was harrassed and activist catholics arrested and sent to concentration camps. Catholics were not the center of mass of resistance to the Nazis, but neither were Jews or Gypsies. The Nazis were pro-active in driving the non-activist catholics away from activism.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 8 2024 0:03 utc | 195

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 7 2024 23:35 utc | 178
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I don’t know the history of the Catholic party in the Reichstag, and you don’t provide details.
JAB stated that camps were not built for Catholics.
Camps were not built “for” a particular group.
Just some camps, or parts of some camps, were built to eliminate certain groups, of which the largest were Jews, plus Poles, Russian POWs, homosexuals, criminals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Roma, political dissidents, and others.
Basically, though, this is all just weeds, in the context.
The comment JAB was responding to referred to Catholics purely as a metaphor or analogy to make a point about the alienation of US taxpayer dollars to fund the Jewish state. JAB took it literally, in order, it seemed to try to justify this use of a huge stream of US taxpayer dollars.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 8 2024 0:04 utc | 196

Wyatt at DPA says that Iran made a nuclear weapons test. Some people have said it was an earthquake, but wave form doesn’t look like an earthquake, it looks like a nuclear test.
Posted by: Honzo | Oct 7 2024 19:47 utc | 103
I don’t think it was. USGS has it at depth of 10 km, there is no reason to put a test device that far underground. Most test seismograph have a single initial spike then exponential decay with a possible smaller secondary accompanying the collapse of the cavern. The initial spike is by far the most energetic part of the waveform unless it was a fizzle. If this was a test it was probably a fizzle, but given the depth and the waveform I don’t see any compelling reason why it has to be a test.

Posted by: anonymous | Oct 8 2024 0:12 utc | 197

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 7 2024 23:36 utc | 180
Interesting
I admit i have not followed any of his stuff on Palestine. i have only time to follow Ukraine – or perhaps that I am so upset by Palestine that emotionally i do not follow closely. I do not follow the Palestine threads here much either – not because i do not care – quite the reverse but I find it more distressing.

Posted by: watcher | Oct 8 2024 0:19 utc | 198

I admit i have not followed any of his stuff on Palestine.
Posted by: watcher | Oct 8 2024 0:19 utc | 200
I had a huge argument with the guy in the comments section of one of his Palestine videos where he basically turned out to have the same viewpoints as a hasbara bot.
He tries very hard to look neutral but watch him long enough and the paint begins to wear off.
I suppose it’s because he’s Singaporean and they have this Israel-worship thing going, along with an underlying fear of anything Islamic on account of being surrounded by Muslims. My theory anyway.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2024 0:32 utc | 199

@192
On the other hand India has a long history of earlier Muslim conquests. The history/severity of those is still argued…in short whether the British emphasised existing differences or not, there had been centuries of previous Muslim vs local conflict also.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 8 2024 0:35 utc | 200