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@ Roger
You are misrepresenting reality and utilizing a post-modernist philosophy that very basic scientific concepts are cultural constructs rather than reflections of observed reality.
What you’ve been given are observations of reality, observations which explode the very notion of a sex binary. What you’ve given me are idealistic models that plainly do not cover reality, but which, worse, have to be enforced politically to get people to behave according to them. Your use of scientific jargon to politically advocate for the oppression of transgender people is reminiscent of the worst of 20th century scientism.
That said, I take the pomo accusation seriously, because nothing of what I’ve said is postmodern, it is rather modernist in the extreme. TERFism’s combination of scientific jargon and politics in order to reject individual or collective autonomy in favor of obedience to scientific models (which are always incomplete, and which are always merely symbolic) is more characteristically pomo.
I will never take people who say “TERF is a slur” seriously. It’s an acronym, and it isn’t wrong in what it’s describing. Would you say they’re really trans-inclusionary? I’m willing to haggle on “radical” or even “feminist”, because the qualifications there are unclear given their continued and well-publicized dalliances with the far right (I’m sure many British TERFs do tout their social democratic bonafides as they cape for genocidaires). But the “slur” bit is just stupid and speaks to an unearned victim complex.
@ Refinnejenna
The fact that this family is cited in medical literature indicates that this family is unique, and therefore it is not proof that intersex people can conceive children and give birth without outside intervention.
That was never the point. The point is that a strict binary is not a correct model, it does not and can not cover the diversity of cases we see in reality and which have only recently begun to be explored scientifically. The incomplete model may be useful in explaining reproduction to school children, like how Bohr’s model of the atom was used to teach children physics, but it’s not useful in ordering society, or in governing sexual relations, if the goal is a society where every individual is free to develop and pursue their happiness. With regards to the Karankawa, the point is that a sex binary is not universally followed, and I use them mainly because I remember their names. There are plenty of examples of transgender roles in other hunter-gatherer societies, as well as civilized ones. In any case, the Karankawa made more accommodations for people with “sex/gender incongruity” than what TERFs argue for, which is that transgender women should be reduced to their sex chromosomes and forced to enter into spaces where they stand a high chance of being targeted for violence and especially rape.
Posted by: fnord | Oct 18 2024 5:46 utc | 101
A barfly @sunof27 has asked me to discuss the teachings of the Persian prophet Mani (216-77), founder of a world religion which is lost again, with only remnants and traces remaining after ~1200.
I’ve posted about this system here before, mostly because it is so unusual and has unique traits that today are felt like the pain of a missing phantom limb. At least that is what I feel. Apart from this, the history is of relevance to MoA for its crass example of powerful forces shaping mankind’s destiny without regard for spiritual sincerety.
sunof27 has challenged me after my post on the last OT, persiflo | Oct 15 2024 7:00 utc | 157 with his own sunof27 | Oct 16 2024 18:27 utc | 200
The debate may not be of immediate interest to everyone, though its theological roots touch on facets of any foundation for a body of ethics; this is true even for a system devoid of “god”.
~If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. – Voltaire, using humour to tackle a rigid and deadly ideology of his time. ~
Leibniz, in his letter quoted by sunof27, is affirming God. He does so by two movements of thought, which I shall consider in sequence.
First, Leibniz states that ‘I also tried to show that there is in God as much goodness as there is greatness, in order to give human beings reason to imitate his beneficent nature as much as possible, as the best to please Him.’
Whereas Mani’s theology relates God’s goodness and greatness not as reason to ‘imitate’ him, for god and man are essentially of the same essence – HE is our ‘brother’.
Mani’s God has self-awareness, and even an Über-Ich, as according to the greek (Aristotle’s) term nous, whereby (cf. Met.XII) noesis noeseos noesis, or ‘awareness is awareness of awareness’. – Now, I shall claim that God is not alone, since we are with him. This point hinges on our actual freedom of will, which to decide upon necessitates either consistent proof, or convincing belief (as the notion of Allah in the Koran presents). Note that the degree to which we act with indepence is not decisive to constitute freedom of will (or negate it as believed). This shifts the problem of our lacking God’s goodness and greatness to either one of two options: 1, HE intentionally made us lesser beings than himself, which is problematic as per the above; or 2, HE lost us to some outside influence beyond his immediate control.
Then, Leibniz states that he should spend his ‘additional free time’ from what looks like a research grant from God to show the consistency of Euclid’s Elements. Of course, the Elements had been shown to be consistent by then for about two millenia. The notion that logic is something derived (from experience), which is given to us only in approximation, and hence can be said to require attention and practice on the primordial case, I must refuse. – Yeah, that’s quite the point, but here you go.
[a technical problem exacerbates the difficulties, as I cannot presently link to a free pdf of Edmund Husserl’s Logische Untersuchungen, where (quoting from memory) in Vol.1 of the second edition, on p.73 you’ll find the argument. It’s not a small feat and made him world-famous at age 41]
To sum up, I’m not sure why Leibniz in this letter refuses to sign his paper on the ‘goodness of god’ (the theodizee) with his name, but I think that Mani has the argument on his side. I’m not even sure if Leibniz is truly serious here, and even if he is, his own famous thought on the Theodizee seems more substantial than this passage from a letter.
So much for the argument about the system.
In another point, sunof27 claims that Mani was ‘the court prophet of the father of the shah that imprisoned him.’ This is only half-true, as Mani had competitors courting for the Shah’s courtesy: the hierophant of the old religion (who won out in the end), and a representative from the Jews, who were an influential minority back then, too. Mani died in prison, and while it can be said his career was furthered by a benevolent ruler (the first of the Sassanides), his teachings didn’t make it a state religion.
I have last quibble on the term ‘prophet’ with dear sunof27. What, exactly, constitutes a false prophet? A charismatic leader can be treacherous; a proposed system can be more or less logically satisfying and fun to use. But a true prophet, as distinguished from a false one, needs another point of contention. – Which one is it?
Without answering it, I realize there is a lot of potential related to this question. So let me say as much here: I have no particular interest to engage in political activities of reformation in Islam. It’s just not my cup of tea, but always nice to have a chat about the state of things, isn’t it?
Posted by: persiflo | Oct 18 2024 6:12 utc | 103
Is the following a frank assessment of the Russian mindset?
We are fighting the same countries, the same evil, in the same place as our grandfathers fought. We will win, hopefully with less dead than the last time.
America and Europe look down on Slavs. Last time they thought they were racially superior. Now they think they are morally above us. They wish us harm.
In the past, Russians went to America and Europe to see and learn new things. Today these are places of decadence and decay; there is little left in those countries that is worth learning or copying. Leave them be.
Asia is growing, and the Asian part of Russia is growing, too. This is where the future is; this is where we should invest our efforts.
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 18 2024 6:28 utc | 104
Outraged | Oct 17 2024 21:30 utc | 71
Hmmm. Maybe view the vid before replying.?
Gamma rays and any other phenomena, are nowhere near as big a challenge as earthling bureaucracy.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 18 2024 6:29 utc | 105
@reante | Oct 18 2024 1:31 utc | 90
About Prostate cancer being the result of toxins and not of an invasion
…
But toxins may lower the resistance against other effects
What about Alphonse Webers findings that many cancers are associated with parasites, visible in light microscopy, that multiply along with the cell divisons.
That kind of mechanism would be compatible with pesticides having an effect.
I am not assuming anything about how the parasites come about. Perhaps they appear when the body is weakened or perhaps they even cause the primary effect.
But all the talk about ivermektin then makes sense.
Second what reate relates here about the body using the prostate of old men as a disposable low priority storage of waste also seems reasonable.
However isnt there also the possibility that nature wants to limit old men’s opportunities to procreate so by swelling the prostate in its effort to produce more testosteron it simultaneously blocks the passage of sperm? The prostate acting like a condom, sort of.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 18 2024 6:40 utc | 106
@ Melaleuca | Oct 18 2024 6:29 utc | 106
Au contraire, mon ami. Did indeed view the vid. Prior to posting. 😉
Earthling bureaucracy vs Gamma rays ? The former can at least be, potentially, rectified/resolved … in a month of Sundays.
persiflo | Oct 15 2024 7:00 utc | 157 with his own sunof27 | Oct 16 2024 18:27 utc | 200 etc
CABALISTS, GNOSTICS, AND SECRET SYRIAN SECTS
30-31
The Manichaeans taught both Pantheism and
Dualism-good and evil, light and darkness ; the imman-
ence in all living things of their God, the Creative Prin-
ciple with its negative and positive aspects. According
to Matter, the Carpocratians were the most universal
communists ; their theory was : ” Nature reveals the two
Great Principles, community and unity of all things .
Human laws contrary to natural laws are guilty violations
of the legitimate and divine order ; therefore, to re-
establish this order, it is necessary to institute com-
munity of lands, goods, and women .” Further, Manes
disavowed war even when waged from just motives, and
his followers condemned political and civil magistrates
as created and established by the Evil God . Manes like-
wise condemned all possession of houses, land, or money.
Finally, both Gnostics and Manichaeans were noted for
their disordered morals . Manes proscribed marriage
whilst allowing its pleasures, some excused themselves,
saying, ” to the pure all is pure.” According to Baronius,
the Manichaeans seduced men by sublime words and great
promises, and entrapped their unfortunate victims in such
powerful nets that once caught it was almost impossible
to get free . The disciples bound themselves by the most
inviolable oath to keep the secrets of the sect . They
were allowed to swear and perjure themselves, but never to
reveal the secrets, according to their celebrated maxim
Jura, perjura secretum prodere noli .
One of the outcomes of Mithraism was Manichaeism,
which derived its name from Manes, said by some to be
Cubricus, a Persian slave and scholar, and others main-
tain that he was educated by his father at Ctesiphon, was
brought up in the religion of the ” Baptists ” of
Southern Babylon, who were connected with the Mandeans, and
later travelled much and far, including China and India,
spreading his beliefs. Opposed by dominant Magian
priests, he was eventually crucified . Manichaeism was
an uncompromising system of dualism in the form of a
fantastic philosophy of nature entirely materialistic . It
is a conflict between Light and Darkness, Good and Evil,
male and female ; darkness sought to bind men by sen-
suality, light tried to save them through the knowledge
of Nature and her forces . Manes had no ” redeemer,”
only a physical and gnostic process of redemption, free-
ing the spark of light from darkness or matter, that is,
from within man’s body, returning it to the universal
light . In this we have the whole basis of modern Caba-
listic and Gnostic sects .
M. de Beausobre, in his Histoire Critique de Manichee
et du Manicheisnze, 1734, thus summarised this
system : Manes claimed authority as Apostle and Prophet
of Jesus Christ directly enlightened by the ” Paraclete,”
in order to reform all religions and reveal those truths to
the world which had been withheld from the first dis-
ciples . He rejected the Old Testament and reformed
the New. Denying the inspiration of the Hebrew
Prophets, he opposed to them the books of Seth, Enoch,
and other Patriarchs, said to be truths received from
good angels . This so-called wisdom still exists in books
and schools of Oriental Philosophy . Manes thought of
the Divinity as a Living Light, a Father of all Lights,
immaterial, eternal, residing in a Supreme luminous
Heaven, also eternal, for nothing could be made out of
nothing, and always accompanied by, Eons, emanations
of this divine essence but inferior . God was a Cause in
perpetual and eternal action (Creative Principle) . From
the essence of the Father emanated the Son and the Holy
Spirit, co-substantial but subordinate to the Father .
Since the creation of the world and until the consumma-
tion the Son has resided in the Sun as a power, and in
the Moon as the reflected wisdom of the Mother of Life ;
the Holy Spirit resides in the air, both carrying out the
orders of the Father . Here we have apparently a varia-
tion of the Emerald Tablet of Hermes .
from
The Trail of the Serpent
By Inquire Within For some years a Ruling Chief of the Mother
————
“That which is above is like that which is below,
and that which is below is like that which is
above for the accomplishment of the wonders of
one thing . ” Its father is the Sun ; its mother
is the Moon ; The wind beareth it in the belly
thereof ; the earth is its nurse ; It is the
Universal Principle, the Telesma of the World.”
The Emerald Tablet of Hermes
iow a form of esoteric Christianity incorporating transmigration, mastery, initiation, self-realization, E pluribus unum, the spirit / universal light (light and sound teachings, sufism) and so on.
There is also a link to Islam via Manes Manichaeism, but that is another story. these things become blended in many ways.
ALSO
The Italian Mason Reghellini de Schio, writing in
1833, says
” Alexandria, newly built, was colonised by the Jews, who
came in crowds to people the new town . The result was a mix-
ture of men of different nations and religions, who gave rise to
several philosophical and religious associations . Platonism was
publicly taught by the Greeks in Alexandria, it was eagerly re-
ceived by the Alexandrian Jews, who communicated it to the
Jews of Judea and Palestine . . . . In Egypt and Judea, before
the commencement of Christianity the philosophy of Pythagoras
and Plato had thrust deep roots among the Jews, which gave
rise to the dogmas of the Essenes, Therapeuts, Sadducees, Car-
pocratians, Cabalistic-Gnostics, Basilideans, and Manichaeans ; all
these dogmatists adapted part of the doctrine of the Egyptian
Magi and Priests to the above philosophy . They spread in time
into Asia, Africa, and Europe . These different Jewish-Christians
preserved the mysteries of the Temple of Solomon with the
allegory of the Grand Architect, who was the Jewish Messiah,
an idea still preserved by the Jew to-day .”
As des Mousseaux notes, the Gnostics and Manichaeans
preserved the cabala of this primitive Masonry, of which
a branch has thrust deep roots among the Druses, and
when the Crusaders inundated Asia, they infected the
ancestors of our Freemasonry with it-the Templars, the
Rose-Croix, and the organs of Western Occultism .
…..
Concluding, with Gnosticism, religion and spirituality and truth, the more you know the less you know you know.
Posted by: Debbie | Oct 18 2024 8:08 utc | 108
Which camp are Orban and Javier Gerardo Milei and Le Pen and Nigel Farage and Meloni in ?
Why Michael Roberts (Marxist economist) always walks about in a fog. ( read comments section for that )
Here:
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=61261
We should be very wary of simplistically pitting technocracy and populism against each other, however: in fact they feed off each other. Not only that, there is also an important dimension of affinity—and indeed complementarity—between populism and technocracy, which implies that they can go hand in hand and be combined with one another.
“Technopopulism” is the new structuring logic of contemporary democratic politics —one that combines populist claims to represent “the people” as a whole and technocratic claims to possess the necessary competence for translating its will into policy.
Biden’s mixture of technocratic expertise and MAGA-like “buy American” rhetoric is a telling example.
In many ways, “technopopulism” exemplifies the contemporary crisis of democracy: on the one hand, it feeds on a widespread sense of dissatisfaction with the quality of democratic representation; on the other, by widening the existing chasm between society and politics, it further exacerbates that sense of dissatisfaction, in a dangerous feedback loop.
If there is a country that epitomises the perils of “technopopulism”, it is Italy. For the past three decades, the country’s politics have essentially been defined by these two pillars—technocracy and populism—often in combination with each other, with disastrous outcomes.
HERE:
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2021/05/the-eternal-return-of-technical-government-in-italy/
A tragic story and a warning of what’s to come, as the right kick lumps out of each other publicly, as they decide what the new face of Conservatism should look like. Which will be very, very close to resembling “Technopopulism”.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 18 2024 8:30 utc | 109
Muh election-meddling…
Uncle Sam puts $10M bounty on Russian troll farm Rybar
Propaganda op focuses on anti-West narratives to meddle with elections
https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/18/us_rybar_bounty/
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 18 2024 9:11 utc | 110
Re: Transgender ?
Who pays for the $1.5 million cost of surgery etc ?
Posted by: Exile | Oct 18 2024 10:30 utc | 111
Fnord @ 102:
I see you are cherry-picking and twisting aspects of my comments and other MoA barflies’ comments deliberately to try to confuse us and others in your nonsense trying to justify that so-called transgender women should be allowed to compete for the same resources and spaces used by heterosexual women on the same terms, and if transgender women are able to push heterosexual women aside as a result, then heterosexual women must put up and shut up.
Your woffle @ 102 about the Karankawas and other American First Nations societies ignores my earlier comment @ 82 that these societies recognised a third common gender made up of biological men who took on the mannerisms and customs of biological women in their societies, and of biological women who adopted the mannerisms and customs of biological men. By the very fact that the third category existed in their societies, these people were recognised as not being members of the sex they had not been born into.
The men whom you would call transgender women did not claim to be biological women and did not try to usurp any privileges that biological women in their societies had. On the contrary, it seems that in American First Nations societies these individuals were expected to undertake roles and tasks associated with the gender they identified with.
I am getting the impression from your comments that your views are misogynist since you seem very keen to emphasise that intersex individuals with XY sex chromosomes can apparently conceive and bear children naturally, without intervention; and since you harp on about the needs and vulnerabilities of transgender women without any apparent concern as to how these might affect the needs of heterosexual and lesbian women alike and those groups’ access to finite resources that transgender women want. You claim that lesbian women are more likely than other groups to support transgender women without citing any research or studies to support your argument. Likewise, you claim that transgender women are at risk of being attacked if they are imprisoned in men’s prisons, therefore the transgender women should be imprisoned in women’s prisons, again without citing research that supports your argument and assuming that women prisoners would be happy or at least are neutral about sharing facilities with transgender women prisoners.
There is a theme running through your commenting that whatever used to be the preserve (be it physical, cultural or linguistic) of biological women can now be duplicated by biological men, and therefore biological women can no longer claim special treatment or spaces for themselves and their children. The discrimination that women suffered in the past is no longer of any account and accordingly whatever money or other resources have been given to women to compensate them can be taken away and given back to men.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 18 2024 10:41 utc | 112
Today’s Cross Talk on October surprises
Margret Kimberley on Kamala Harris:
She’s train wreck after train wreck. The word salad, the nervous laugh. This is someone who has been promoted beyond their skill set, this is painfully obvious. And if you want to appeal to black men, just stick with what Dems have always said: black voters are the most loyal of the Democratic Party. It’s not hard. But it’s hard if you’re a phoney. It’s hard if you’re controlled by rich donors. There’s nothing, she’s a hollow person. I don’t believe she believes in anything, aside from just being ambitious, and let rich donors push her up the ladder.
Peter Lavelle is surprised by:
Barack Obama parading black men. Referring to them as “brothers”. Which I’ve never heard him say during his presidency at all. He looked like a wreck, he looked crushed. He didn’t age well. What he’s worried about, he doesn’t have the mildest touch any more. He pushed up Kamala Harris – mistake. He promoted Joe Biden – mistake. He can’t keep making mistakes and have the mildest touch – any more.
Craig Pasta Jardula:
Trump is a completely different candidate than he has been in 2016 – doesn’t call out the Deep State and the donors any more. Now blames everything on communism and immigrants, and Haitians eating pets. Whatever happened to Trump?
Needless to say, the original is much better than my paraphrasing:
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/605860-harris-trump-october-surprise-war/
Posted by: grunzt | Oct 18 2024 11:19 utc | 113
blowback: venezuelan gangs get amnesty and begin taking over US apartment complexes
Kim Iversen has a jaw dropping report on the Venezuelan gang called “tren de Aragua”, coming to the US, getting asylum, then they went to work doing what any street gang does: building their parasitic life support system, starting with taking over apartment complexes in Aurora, Colorado, San Antonio Texas, and other cities. The Empire’s crumbling cities are the perfect environment for ambitious, violent young thugs whose tendencies and appetites parallel imperial princelings and princesses who inhabit the gated neighborhoods of our western capitals. The Bushes, Cheneys, Nulands, Obamas might have more money and many layers of plausible deniability but they share the same behavioral codes.
Iversen connects the dots: the “invasion” of gangs is the direct result of Biden AND Trump’s war on Venezuela which triggered a massive exodus out to other countries, now especially to the US.
Watch to the end of her vid– a San Antonio police official gives an honest summary of the gang’s takeover and then issues a threat to the gang: “We’re coming for you!” Iversen’s response? “What if they come for the cops?”
Whoever takes over the White House in January is going to face this societal threat. My prediction. Harris or Trump will fail. Americans will suffer. The rest of the world will shrug.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06mmF28uM9A
Posted by: migueljose | Oct 18 2024 12:32 utc | 114
Maybe there should be a separate channel to discuss economic issues. Main media is not honestly discussing or even mentioning some of the crucial changes that are happening in World commerce. For instance they constantly try to avoid mentioning BRICS and the rest of the Global South when discussing price of gold for instance. They keep explaining the unprecedented rally of physical gold price by reduction of the federal bank rate. This is somewhat related but they do not provide numbers for purchases of physical gold by central banks or discuss the possibility of a new BRICS currency being linked to gold. Can someone suggest some sites who analyse these new trends in economy? I would be much obliged.
Posted by: Milos | Oct 18 2024 13:47 utc | 115
@Debbie | Fri, 18 Oct 2024 08:08:00 GMT | 109
Finally, both Gnostics and Manichaeans were noted for
their disordered morals […] some excused themselves,
saying, ” to the pure all is pure.” According to Baronius,
the Manichaeans seduced […] and entrapped their unfortunate victims in such
powerful nets that once caught it was almost impossible
to get free […] Manes […] said by some to be
Cubricus, a Persian slave and scholar […] Manichaeism was
an uncompromising system of dualism in the form of a
fantastic philosophy of nature entirely materialistic .
This sample is rather typical of many accounts you’ll find with a cursory research. I think it speaks for itself; while I have said enough on the topic for now. Still, one more brief comment on the above: it’s true that Mani comes across a little larger than life. Among other things, he’s said to have initiated an orthographic reform connected to the scripture of Middle Persian, all the while being an aramaic speaker by upbringing himself, and to have invented the lute, a particularly rich stringed instrument still in use today.
Paul O’Dette plays Kapsberger (solo Lute)
Posted by: persiflo | Oct 18 2024 14:27 utc | 116
Posted by: james | Oct 18 2024 0:13 utc | 87
You are welcome, james. I will pass on a couple of my readings yesterday, though without links. The first was the Duran’s shorter daily post, which I found really helpful as the discussion was about the different aspects of Iran’s relationship to Hamas. So, that would be on their youtube link for Thursday.
The second is one I only partially watched, but want to make a brief comment on – it also was posted yesterday on youtube as the Dialogue Works discussion between Michael Hudson and Richard Wolff. It could be available also on Michael Hudson’s webpage. I stopped watching as Wolff was describing a visit to a colonial village early in the discussion. He has a pet argument that the US is like Israel in having perpetrated a genocide on native peoples. “A land without a people…etc.” I can’t agree with him there. There was not a seminal, concerted effort to depopulate the US of its native tribes, but a gradual governmental erosion much as we now see along the US border happening presently. I don’t know what to call that, but I see some reference to it in migueljose’s Oct 18 2024 12:32 utc | 115 post above.
But my opposition to Richard Wolff’s example is that the situation for this country as immigrants came was as those first arrivals found it, some making friends some not. There was no organization such as the Zionists, no unity of purpose in the various individual groups that started colonies. They came, as had the native tribes before them, much as animals do seeking better pasture. And certainly as towns grew, and that was seen as a threat to those who had come before them, conflict arose.
But Wolff is wrong to say that they were eradicated, because they have not been. They were indeed badly used and terrible, cruel loss of land, denial of treaty promises, and so on, did happen. European diseases did happen. Wars happened. Atrocities happened. But they are not a vanished people. I live among them; I know.
They are still here. And they are tribal with proud, tribal sovereignty, but they also are American citizens. And especially here in New Mexico they have some of their ancient homelands still. I will also say that is true in my native land, New Zealand, where the maori were never conquered but given equal rights, even if those rights were not always respected. Neither place was ever said to be, nor was it, a land without people. Neither is perfect now, but the traditions live on. Not as they once were, but as they are now.
That is not true now in Israel.
Posted by: juliania | Oct 18 2024 15:03 utc | 117
@ S.O. | Oct 17 2024 20:25 utc | 60
Thank you!
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Posted by: scanalyse | Oct 18 2024 15:59 utc | 118
Adding to RepublicofScotland’s post… the Evil Empire continues its destructive course. From https://resuman-english.org
(That is not a link but rather a direction to an interesting website: Resumen Latinoamericando and the third world). I read that poor beautiful Ecuador is crippled by ongoing long term electric blackouts. The “presidency” was purchased by banana-billionaire Noboa for his completely incompetent son Daniel, a US born Neo-thing who is mum amigo with the murikan girl general who has been wagging her tail and her checkbook all over the southern continent of late. Melei is absolutely smitten. Anyway, what these guys seem to do is suck the country dry and hand over the keys to the palace to foreign oligarchs. They call it “privitization,” but you could also use the word “stealing” IMHO.
New murikan bases are spring up like mushrooms. One notes that the bad girl team has been on a roll of late. The current “ambassador” to Peru is “ex-” CIA. She helped arrange the coup which installed the current girl grifter “president” who immediately cried out for murikan troops to watch her back.
Meanwhile, according to the Maduro government, there is yet another coup plot against him organized by – who else?? the CIA, the DEA and the spy guys from Spain, the CNI. (One recalls that Spain set up the spying apparatus in the Ecuadorian Embassy when Assange had asylum there. Julian is FREE! Praise all lords and ladies). Continuing: The Venezuelan military has captured weapons made in murikan and Killing-R-Us, aka Izzyhell, along with mercenaries from various countries including murika.
It seems that the evil never ends. Everything murika touches turns to death and destruction. Something in the water? Something genetic?? Brainwashing? Exponential psychopathy for sure.
Something more cheery: Zerohedge has up “Trump Brutally Roasts Dems….” etc. absolutely hilarious. He’s not really mean and vicious but very very funny… Which is not a voting recommendation. The genecide will continue no matter who “wins.” Cheers
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Oct 18 2024 16:13 utc | 119
@ juliania | Oct 18 2024 15:03 utc | 118
thanks for pointing out migueljose’s post as a reference to your interpretation on what has happened in the past and is happening now.. although canada and the usa share much in the way of similar history, with regard to the indigenous people there are some differences.. i am not sure that its much the same here in canada, but there are still many indigenous people living in the communities here on vancouver island – especially in duncan, but also many on the whole island and i think the same is true for many parts of canada..
i can see why you want to challenge richard wolfs comparison with zionism and usa history.. yes – this appears to be israels approach at present.. instead of adopting an unique culture which would embrace those living on the land before them, they are opting to get rid of them.. that is what it appears is happening to me..
maybe you are familiar with the acadians and the metis? these are groups that involved mostly french people in canada developing marital bonds with the indigenous peoples here in canada… this also happened here in canada.. on our trip to nova scotia, i learned more about the acadian culture.. i had always thought these people had all left to go to louisiana and who are now known as the cajuns, but it appears i was wrong about that… are you familiar with the cajuns in louisiana?? cajun music which involves the fiddle and etc.etc – that has roots in the acadian culture that came from nova scotia and new brunswick areas of canada… some of them came back to canada though and i met some of them in a small town called cheticamp on cape breton island…
Posted by: james | Oct 18 2024 16:16 utc | 120
@ Refinnejenna | Oct 17 2024 23:17 utc | 82
i took the liberty of sharing what you had said in your message to a friend of mine who has a lot of strong thoughts about this topic… i am going to share what they shared in an e mail with me, to you..
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“ Recognising that other gender identities exist does not mean that certain men can force the rest of society to recognise them as women, especially if the underlying aim is to deprive women of the resources they need to get out of poverty or to escape domestic violence.”
This sentence gives two things away.
One: the author focuses on men who are born into the wrong bodies. Not women. So he’s focused on half of the discussion. And specifically the half that has been used by conservative media as a distraction from their other efforts. (IE abortion laws, child tax benefits etc etc )
Two: he states the “underlying aim is to deprive women of the resources they need to get out of poverty or escape domestic violence”. I’ve thought about this for 13 hours and I can’t make sense of that. How does the idea of gender affirming philosophy deprive women of etc etc. and the assumption that someone is changing their life, their body, their relationship to society for the AIM of depriving women of those things… well that’s fucking ridiculous. That would like saying, I am choosing to learn how to play bass to deprive bass players from being able to plug in their bass amps without getting shocked. It’s a massive non-sequiter. Baseless, and careless: this tells me the author is not giving us facts; he’s shrouding his opinions in statements that sound true but have no basis. A very common tactic when people are dealing with bigotry as an opposed to being rational.
Three: he uses the phrase “force the rest of society”. Force? Has a police man beaten someone for not being polite with their pronouns? They do it to minorities for being black. They’ve killed gay people for being gay. They’ve ignored women being raped etc. This is a classic trope used by people with non rational, fundamentalist belief systems. He is painting society, and by proxy himself, as the VICTIM. The irony of course is that he is criticizing people who are actually victims of violence and force. There are hundreds of examples of this, but a good one from Niomi Klein is that the trucker convoy around Covid used to phrase “I can’t breathe”. Ironic for two reasons. One, there were many white supremacists in that movement (in fact one of its founders and biggest founders is Canadas foremost white supremicist) and here they are co-opting a phrase made to critique violence against black folk by cops. And two, people dying from Covid COULDNT BREATHE. Thus the oppressor becomes the victim. That’s what this person is doing. They are ignoring that they are choosing to be oppressive and dictate how people should live, while painting themselves as a victim.
It’s subtle, but it’s a pattern I’ve learned to recognize as it’s used in so much media these days. Particularly by Trump, Putin, Trudeau, Harris, Bannon, Carlson, etc etc etc. centre and right, all full of shit liberal fucks.
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my response to him was this –
“i do believe the person who posted this is a women, not a man – but i could be wrong.. i also believe they are british because of the use of the letter s instead of z in the word recognize..
regarding the trucker convey… i hope you realize that protest groups are infiltrated by the intel agencies to bring down the same protest group… this is a very well known tactic… did it happen with the trucker convey? my guess is this did happen and as you can see in yourself as an example – it worked… the folks on the trucker convey had a reason to protest and it in itself was legit… i don’t believe trudeau handled this very well either…
so maybe some of their perspective is based on living in the uk where things might be different? and perhaps they are a women… i can’t explain what you’ve isolated in their statement and would have to ask.. i could ask..”
do you have any thoughts on all this??
Posted by: james | Oct 18 2024 16:21 utc | 121
Roger, I’ve received professional care. That care involves gender affirmation and feminization via estradiol injections. This regimen is the only known treatment for gender dysphoria which does not increase the risk of suicide in patients. Therapies that instead focus on forcing congruence between sex chromosomes and gendered performance are known to increase depression and suicide risks among the trans cohort.
https://www.science.org/content/article/new-study-reveals-risks-transgender-conversion-therapy
@ Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 18 2024 10:41 utc | 113
I finally had some time to find the research I was recalling about overwhelming lesbian acceptance of transgender women:
New research by Just Like Us has found that lesbians are the most likely of the whole LGBTQ+ community to be supportive of trans people. Lesbians are the most likely to say they know a trans person (92%), and also the most likely to say they are “supportive” or “very supportive” of trans people (96%). That’s compared to 89% of LGBTQ+ people overall, and just 69% of non-LGBTQ+ people.
The survey is linked in this article:
https://www.gaytimes.com/originals/lesbians-are-not-anti-trans/
Now moving on to “the bollocks”:
The men whom you would call transgender women did not claim to be biological women and did not try to usurp any privileges that biological women in their societies had
No one is trying to “usurp” any “privileges”, nor should cisgender women have “privileges” that are unafforded to other women, like transgender women. The whole socialist movement has long opposed the very notion that one sector of society should have privileges at all. Bakunin: “It is the characteristic of privilege and of every privileged position to kill the mind and heart of men. The privileged man, whether politically or economically, is a man depraved intellectually and morally. That is a social law that admits no exception, and is as applicable to entire nations as to classes, companies, and individuals. It is the law of equality, the supreme condition of liberty and humanity.”
Instead we should be advocating for the rights of all women, including transgender women, to access whatever resources they need to live happy and fulfilled lives, however that might look for them, and to make sure that all women can access these resources.
you harp on about the needs and vulnerabilities of transgender women without any apparent concern as to how these might affect the needs of heterosexual and lesbian women alike and those groups’ access to finite resources that transgender women want.
This does not have to be a zero sum game. Trans women make up some ~1% of the population, whereas cisgender women make up some ~52%. If the inclusion of that ~1% threatens access for any number of that other 52%, then fund those resources ~1% more, so einfach ist das. I know this is hard to imagine on TERF island after some 50 years of austerity measures, but that’s something you could fight and campaign for without throwing trans women under the bus under the guise of artificial scarcity. There’s enough estradiol to go around for everyone.
You don’t have to look very far to find the evidence that transgender women are more frequently raped in men’s prisons:
“Sexual assault is 13 times more prevalent among transgender inmates, with 59% reporting being sexually assaulted while in a California correctional facility. Two different measures of rape one that relies on the inmates’ own assessment of incidents and one that relies on an operationalization of rape as “oral or anal penetration by force or threat of force”—reveal that 2% or 3% of randomly sampled inmates described at least one occurrence of rape, as did 41% or 50% of transgender sample inmates.”
https://cpb-us-e2.wpmucdn.com/sites.uci.edu/dist/0/1149/files/2013/06/BulletinVol2Issue2.pdf
Even in women’s prisons, transgender women are more likely to be assaulted than to assault, although the risk is significantly reduced. The modal rapist in a women’s prison is either a male CO or a cisgender inmate.
biological women
You are referencing a false model as if it’s authoritative. If you insist that gender is reducible to sex chromosomes, you should follow the pattern of eliminative materialism and cease using folk biological terms like “man” or “woman”, and refer instead to objective characteristics like sex chromosomes.
Posted by: fnord | Oct 18 2024 16:27 utc | 122
@ fnord | Oct 18 2024 16:27 utc | 122
there is a video – Adult Human Female and in it there is a lesbian women that is quoted at length which might challenge the results of the gaytimes article you’ve linked to… maybe you’ve watched it?? others here might be interested..
Posted by: james | Oct 18 2024 16:39 utc | 123
Starlink is interesting if you wish to jump over China’s Great Firewall. Or when Russia’s disconnects from the internet.
But, seen from space, the base stations stand out like lighthouses in the night. In a real conflict the base stations would just invite fire.
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 18 2024 17:12 utc | 124
@ Posted by: james | Oct 18 2024 16:39 utc | 123
I have a film for you about the perils of fretting over “penis-havers” (that documentarian’s embarrassing and often wrong choice of words to describe transgender women):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gavlcbunY00
Best enjoyed with a blunt, some liquor, and good company. Have fun.
Posted by: fnord | Oct 18 2024 17:12 utc | 125
Terf is a slur. Just because its spelled differently doesn’t mean it isn’t heard as “turf”. Let’s go to the dictionary
Turf. Any girl that deserves or earns little respect. Usually these girls are ready and willing to go home with you from a drinking establishment approximately 10 minutes after hearing the alert of “Last Call”. Any loud or annoying girl that refuses to leave you alone or shut up, this behavior is commonly associated with, but not restricted to, drinking (origin: Late Night Turf Hoe).
by Dean Sticky February 25, 2003
“>https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Turf
Great – “ a girl that deserves little respect”, “annoying girl”. This slang has been around for at least twenty years. But its not a slur, no sir.
to turf. It seems to mean “throw or kick someone forcibly out of some organization or office”
“>https://www.alphadictionary.com/blog/?p=1209
How ironic, accusing people of “excluding” trans when the term they made up has the exact meaning of throwing someone out. But really its not a slur.
turf someone out (British, informal)
to throw (someone or something) out
Synonyms
———
throw out
evict
cast out
kick out (informal)
“>https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english-thesaurus/turf-someone-out#google_vignette
Bottom line. Terf is a slur. Multiple dictionaries recognize it as such. Hiding behind the spelling when its pronounced the same is more pettifoggery.
Oh, and “radical” just might be debatable as an insult? Yeah, sure. That’s why that word has been weaponized against anyone who refuses to bow down before TPTB.
I will not respond to the delusional assertions of fnord; but I thought that people should have the means to respond to nonsense like “terf is not a slur”.
Posted by: john_brewster | Oct 18 2024 17:19 utc | 126
@ Posted by: john_brewster | Oct 18 2024 17:19 utc | 127
No, TERF is not a slur, and those dictionaries (an Urban Dictionary piece from 2003 using what I have to imagine is archaic chav lingo is also not a real dictionary) don’t cite it as one. It might be a homophone with “turf” which is used apparently as a verb across the pond, but similarity of audio perception does not a slur make (nor is “turf” in any of those instances, even in archaic chav lingo, used as a “slur”). It is detestable that a cohort of wealthy and virtually all white British women with elite media access are pretending to be subject to the same kind of abuse that Black Americans are subject to when confronted with the n-word, and over an acronym that accurately and aptly describes their ideology as trans-exclusionary radical feminists, or TERFs for short. Here’s some good American slang: you’re reaching, dude.
Note: In the US, we don’t use “turf” as a verb. “Turf” is the stuff that grows on my lawn. It is highly valued in the US as it enables us to play our national pastimes, especially gridiron football (not to be confused with “soccer”).
Posted by: fnord | Oct 18 2024 17:46 utc | 127
Posted by: james | Oct 18 2024 16:16 utc | 121
Thank you, james! Apart from some PBS programs I haven’t encountered those groups you mention, although my first encounter with Canada as a teenager I announced to other shipboard young folk that our sight of land was ‘America!’ as we came to the coast of Vancouver Harbour — they being US citizens said promptly that no, that’s Canada. But I knew I was right even then. Your home country was my first sighting, I am happy to say, and it was most beautiful, forests everywhere! (First sighting of New Zealand’s South Island is very similar crossing Cook Straight but first you see the Southern Alps – I don’t remember that we saw mountains first before land in Canada but there could have been cloud cover.)
On a different subject, I recommend an article at nakedcapitalism.com entitled “Interrogating Russian History” by Satyajit Das – I will post an extract next.
Posted by: juliania | Oct 18 2024 17:52 utc | 128
Here’s the excerpt I mentioned at | Oct 18 2024 17:52 utc | 129:
…Benjamin Nathans’ monumental “To the Success of Our Hopeless Cause” mines a very different aspect of Russia’s past – the history of dissidents such as Andrei Sakharov, Alexander Solzhenitsyn as well as many unknown others.
Drawing on diaries, memoirs, personal letters, interviews, and recently available KGB records, Nathans creates a sympathetic portrait of the human-rights dissidence movement in the USSR. To the Success of Our Hopeless Cause meticulously documents the fight against the government via unauthorized public gatherings, petitioning in support of arrested intellectuals, and circulating banned samizdat texts.
After Stalin’s death, Nikita Khrushchev promised a new Russia which was interpreted by intellectuals as a shift away from the terror and tyranny under the Georgian dictator. Writers, scientists, intellectuals and students sought to publish plays, novels, essays and articles critical of the government and system.
The dissidents devised a novel strategy – to try to force the Kremlin to obey its own laws.
Gathering annually on 5 December (Soviet Constitution Day) at the monument to the Russian poet Alexander Pushkin, they demanded that the regime obey the 1936 Constitution’s guarantee of basic rights and the Code of Criminal Procedure. When Andrei Sinyavsky and Yuli Daniel were tried for publishing anti-Soviet literary works abroad, dissidents demanded the proceedings be open to the public, as the law required.
They were aware that their actions, no matter how clandestine, would attract the attention of the authorities and collide with the apparatus of Soviet power. In the Stalinist period, such activity would have ended in mass purges, show trials, forced confessions, the gulags or death sentences. But knowing that the state was unlikely to respond in this way due to external pressure, this strategy was, as one of them put it: ‘simple to the point of genius: in an unfree country, they began to conduct themselves like free people’.
They pursued this strategy resigned to the risk of prosecution where the verdict and sentence were pre-determined by the government. Nevertheless, the dissidents bravely sought to use the system to draw attention to their views and captured the world’s imagination. Perhaps they were driven by what Fyodor Dostoevsky called ‘the most basic, most rudimentary spiritual need of the Russian people… the need for suffering, ever-present and unquenchable’…
I shall see if my library can bring me this book.
Posted by: juliania | Oct 18 2024 18:05 utc | 129
Just for info; there was some brief chat in the “Sinwar” thread about the ‘æ’ character. For a Linux distro with EN-GB keyboard setting this character can be typed by using the key combo AltGr+A. There’s all sorts of fancy stuff hidden behind AltGr and AltGr+Shift keys, such as proper fractions e.g ½ ¾ ¼ ⅜ ⅝, a proper division symbol ÷, a degree symbol °, among others.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 18 2024 18:30 utc | 130
@Posted by: james | Oct 18 2024 16:39 utc | 124
Thankyou for the documentary, I have seen a number of these by lesbian and other gender-critical feminists. The fundamental issue is the attempt to confuse body dysmorphia with actual biology, and to delegitimize the view that the vast majority have about their own bodies and sex. There will always be some unethical biased scientists who twist facts, such as one who argued that male and female testosterone levels overlap when they do not and other such nonsense like claiming that frogs have many genders (always published in books or “social science biology” type journals).
The vast majority, including myself, have no issue with a human male wanting to be treated as a woman, or a human female wanting to be treated as a man, if that helps their mental health. The issue is the utter trampling over the rights of human females to have their own spaces and protections that they have fought for for many decades. The focus on women’s spaces is because human males are physically stronger than women, and are a possible sexual danger (a small minority but a great risk) if they continue to have their sexual organs in place. A trans woman who has had bottom surgery and cross-sex hormones is very different to a trans woman who has not. Trans men are physically weaker than human males and are not a rape risk, therefore their presence in male spaces does not create the same issues as trans women in human female spaces. The same in the arena of sports.
Most would simply say that in risky environments such as a prison trans women should have their own space, to protect themselves from other male prisoners and to protect female prisoners from them – a compromise. The problem is that a subset of trans women utterly reject the concerns of human females and then attack and slur those that argue for needed compromises. It is interesting that trans men don’t ever seem to be part of this minority pressure group.
They also actively misinterpret and misconstrue statements such as mine with respect to fnord, who immediately leapt to conversion therapy rather than consider what I meant was to toss the incorrect beliefs and understand that their issue is one of body dysmorphia and has nothing to do with the sex binary. If dealing with body dysmorphia involves a male being treated as a woman or a female being treated as a man then as I have said above, the vast majority including myself have no issue with that.
I have no clue where fnord gets her utterly inaccurate statistics from, but Canada now actually has relevant questions on the census.
Of the nearly 30.5 million people in Canada aged 15 and older living in a private household in May 2021, 100,815 were transgender (59,460) or non-binary (41,355), accounting for 0.33% of the population in this age group. The proportions of transgender and non-binary people were three to seven times higher for Generation Z (born between 1997 and 2006, 0.79%) and millennials (born between 1981 and 1996, 0.51%) than for Generation X (born between 1966 and 1980, 0.19%), baby boomers (born between 1946 and 1965, 0.15%) and the Interwar and Greatest Generations (born in 1945 or earlier, 0.12%).
So, 0.33% of the population of Canada identify as transgender or non-binary. The rest are prototypical biological sex-aligned cisgender, 99.67%. Even in Gen Z its 99.21% cisgender. Trans and non-binary are exceptions that are less than 1% of the population, conforming to the prototypical human being biological sex-aligned cisgender and confirming the sex binary. No need to attempt to uproot the whole of human biology because of pressure from a subset of a very small minority, supported by post-materialist social scientists with absolutely no training in biology probably past 11 years of age.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/220427/dq220427b-eng.htm
ZH has a posting up about Tucker Carlson and I just want to quote one line
“How long do you think this country could survive without private equity? A week? Before we all just starve to death.
He sells a whole lot of shit about the “bad” blue party folk to go along with the above…..most of which I agree with but follow the money lines.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 18 2024 19:26 utc | 132
Posted by: fnord | Oct 18 2024 17:46 utc | 128
More assertions without citations, more making up shit and dissing whoever it takes to keep your delusional worldview going.
…virtually all white British women with elite media access are pretending to be…
You just know these undocumented women are “pretending”. You just know its “virtually all”. No citations. Just asserted bullshit.
There is no point having an argument with someone who just makes shit up.
I hope you get help for your mental problems.
Goodbye.
Posted by: john_brewster | Oct 18 2024 19:26 utc | 133
The [five liars] clan…
Coalition of the killing
https://space4peace.blogspot.com/2012/08/selling-wars-to-young.html
Coalition of the lying
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202410/1321156.shtml
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202410/15/WS670da448a310f1265a1c78b9.html
tHATS all folks
Posted by: denk | Oct 18 2024 19:33 utc | 134
@ fnord | Oct 18 2024 17:12 utc | 126
i thought the video you shared was pretty funny.. thanks!! regarding the video i shared your characterization of the language or descriptions used – it seemed sincere to me.. maybe the language police differ on this? i think this is a big problem in the whole overriding conversation to be had on transgender – the use of language seems a real bugaboo no matter who says what..
@ juliania | Oct 18 2024 17:52 utc | 129
you’d have come to the coast of vancouver island, or juan de fuca straights before you’d make it to ‘the coast of vancouver harbour’ juliania.. many big trees – yes! you’d only have done this if a stop was being made in vancouver, otherwise you could have made a stop in seattle because to make a stop in seattle or vancouver by boat, one needs to come via the juan de fuca straight!! it is beautiful on both sides of the straight and this defines the separation between canada and the usa too as the border runs straight down the middle of the straight.. i used to live right on this body of water in a place called jordan river many years ago and could look out and see cape flattery from where i lived..
the book you quote from @130 sounds very interesting.. thanks for sharing the segment from the article.. here is a direct link to the article you cite..
Satyajit Das: Interrogating Russian History
Posted by: james | Oct 18 2024 19:51 utc | 135
James @ 122:
I used to post here as Jen until Bernhard advised me to change my monicker.
In making my previous comments, I was thinking of the case of Jessica Yaniv, which you may be familiar with as the case went through the British Columbia court system. You may recall Yaniv was the transgender woman who claimed two beauty salons discriminated against her in refusing to wax her genitals. Yaniv’s legal actions against those salons put them out of business.
The legal teams for the women who owned those salons then asked those women for permission to publicise their names. The women were revealed to be migrants of Indian Sikh backgrounds who had been running their home-based salons as sole business proprietors, and one of the women had small children at home. Both women were married and their religious beliefs did not allow them to run businesses or do work where they would be in daily close contact with men. Their salons had had signposts or other visual messages indicating they did not serve men and one salon was not far from a larger professional salon that served both men and women.
At about the same time, some members of the public came across Jessica Yaniv’s tweets on the then Twitter and realised that this individual held highly racist views against Indian migrants. This information spread fast across social media but I do not know if this information had any influence on the eventual outcome of the court case.
I understand this may be an extreme example (which is why the case attracted attention outside BC and Canada) but it does illustrate in a nutshell how, in a society with finite resources (and those resources shrinking as well, for reasons long discussed here at MoA), identity politics can be used to split people and get different groups to turn on one another and deny the weakest and most vulnerable groups access to the things they need to survive. Especially if large govt and corporate institutions are enlisted in ways where they mediate between two sets of individuals and groups with their own interests and needs in an issue involving discrimination, as in the Jessica Yaniv case.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 18 2024 20:16 utc | 136
@ Roger | Oct 18 2024 19:23 utc | 132
thanks roger… i share much of your viewpoint in the first part of your post, but probably wouldn’t have tried to articulate it as you have here.. and thanks also for the interesting stats you’ve managed to find coming out of canada… thanks for your post! i am running around between phone calls and might have missed something, but i do the best i can..
Posted by: james | Oct 18 2024 20:19 utc | 137
@ Refinnejenna | Oct 18 2024 20:16 utc | 137
thanks jen.. great post and thanks for taking the time to respond to me in that post i made… your answer in response makes perfect sense… now might you be the same jen who posts at kremlin stooge that i have interacted with a number of times too?? either way you are a great contributor to moa and i do enjoy reading your posts!
Posted by: james | Oct 18 2024 20:22 utc | 138
A great documentary series:
Dysphoric: A Four-Part Documentary Series Part 01
Dysphoric: A Four-Part Documentary Series Part 02
Dysphoric: A Four-Part Documentary Series Part 03
Dysphoric: A Four-Part Documentary Series Part 04
The UK CASS review is a major part of the reversion back to an open and balanced discussion of trans issues.
https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/
The UK Royal College of Psychiatrists has recently decided to end their relationship with Stonewall, a major group shutting down open discussion and pushing unfounded and one-sided positions.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13943469/Royal-College-Psychiatrists-cut-links-Stonewall-trans-rights-stance.html
petergrfstrm 107 thanks for the reply. no, the parasites that inhabit tumors are there because they are functional anaerobic species that can only tolerate hypoxic ecologies, meaning those with lower oxygen levels tham those that healthy human cells operate in. there are two fundamental opposing ecologies on Earth – aerobic and anaerobic, and the low-oxygen barrier function between the two that enables the life-death cycle to be a continuum, is the transitional,low-oxygen ecology in which functional anaerobes thrive. Humans are an aerobic species structured as a trillion-fold collective of eukaryotic individualized cells — supersized eukaryotic microbes — that originally evolved out of anaerobic microbes, and even today our cells retain some fermentation functions. The bodily genius of growing tumors as a last resort emergency response is the incredible epigenetic switch from an aerobic metabolism over to a hypoxic metabolism based on glycolysis. This is necessary because the concentration of fat-soluble carcinogens at these sites is so high that not only are the intracellular cholesterol (fat) storage compartments necessary for inhibiting the oxidation of these gnarly, unstable toxins, but the surrounding cytoplasmic cellular spaces and also the interstitial fluids between the cells must help maintain a stable biochemical microenvironment during transport of these toxins. And the functionally anaerobic nematodes show up because if you build it (a habitable niche) they will come. And for reasons i wont go into now because i’m on my flip phone, these worms should in holistic biological truth also be considered beneficial.
Posted by: reante | Oct 18 2024 21:56 utc | 140
@ Refinnejenna | Oct 18 2024 20:16 utc | 137
i know this is getting tedious, but here is my friends response to your response –
“Read Doppleganger.
This woman fits Kleins analysis to a fucking T
N”
Posted by: james | Oct 18 2024 22:23 utc | 141
petergrfstrm 107 continued. as for ivermectin, it is in truth just a broad spectrum antibiotic derived as im sure you know from an aerobic fungal species that uses it itself as an anti-nematodal compound against anaerobic nematodes when the soil has become compacted or suffered some other trauma and the healthy biology just outside of that trauma site act as a protective barrier function. They are on the frontlines facing an anaerobic front that took over the trauma site when the former aerobic microbial community was crushed to death by the tractor tire on wet ground and became food for the anaerobes that were lying dormant in their hard protective cysts whem the soil was aerobic, and then woke up when their external enzyme receptors reacted to the drop in oxygen levels. So in nature ivermectin is a toxic compound released by fungi in order to ostensibly kill anaerobic worms/nematodes says the ‘science’ but holistically that just means that, since these worms are high up in the soil food chain/web, it will also kill everything downweb of the worms. And ivermectin does that by essentially liquifying lipid membranes. Which is why its a broad spectrum product. A lactone is a type of ester and esters are close cousins of alcohols. So it’s like a sanitizer. Its also, obviously, toxic to our cell membranes but our cells are much bigger, but i’d never use it, on principle alone.
Posted by: reante | Oct 18 2024 22:32 utc | 142
petergrfstrm 107 what ivermectin would do to the cancer cells is fuck up its exosomal signaling. the human body’s ingenious mutation of cancer cells, naturally, also changed its signaling regime, to normal cells. one of the main classes of signaling exosomes that tumor cells send out is a class that tells white blood cells and other immune functions to stand down. to not attack. and signaling exosomes are just tiny lipid membrane bodies with genetic messages inside. collectively they are our body’s intercellular messaging system. ivermectin would first chemically degrade those delicate little membranes and the message would be destroyed, inhibiting cancer cell function. as for your supposition that nature may enlarge old mens’ prostates so as to physically inhibit reproduction, i dont see that as a possibility because the aging process itself already explicitly determines a male’s reproductive lifespan, with the length of that lifespan wholly dependent on healthiness. enlarged prostates are diseased prostates. again, an unhealthy old mam can afford to sacrifice his prostate because his sperm count and motility is going to be low. our biology is pure in its reasoning. it gives our person the benefit of the doubt that the disease that has befallen us is beyond our environmental control and that at the first opportunity we wilk renourish ourselves and rest so that we can heal the prostate and raise the sperm count and motility back up to age-appropriate levels because females are attracted to vigorous older men. the body intelligence has no understanding of what industrial civilization has done to the person. that separate self.
Posted by: reante | Oct 18 2024 23:18 utc | 143
ivermectin, it is in truth just a broad spectrum antibiotic derived as im sure you know from an aerobic fungal species
Posted by: reante | Oct 18 2024 22:32 utc | 143
Actuualy, avermectin is a metabolite of Streptomyces avermitilis which is a species of bacteria in the genus Streptomyces. Ivermectin is a modification of avermectin.
One interesting thing about Streptomyces avermitilis from which Ivermectin is derived is that it was found in soil on a golf course in Japan. They say it has never been found again anywhere. that makes one wonder about your story about tractor tires and all that follows….
Posted by: jinn | Oct 18 2024 23:27 utc | 144
Good catch jinn on the bacteria rather than fungi. I would say something about the pitfalls of working from memory on a flip phone but i know that wont be acceptable to you. At any rate thanks for the correction but no thanks on the small-minded, strawman, false implication that ivermectin being bacteria derived affects any of the other content. If you actually want to try and find some other errors then i’m all ears bud but insinuation is not good enough. And junk like ivermectin is a metabolite and not an antibiotic doesnt fly because a toxic metabolite that can kill a microbe is antibiotic by definition. Didnt know that about it never having been found again. Dare say that sounds suspicious. I do hope that with my dreadfully naughty heterodox understanding of cancer i havent offended you or any of your loved ones and least of all that Sinwar sized stick up your ass.
Posted by: reante | Oct 19 2024 0:06 utc | 145
@ Roger | Oct 18 2024 20:46 utc | 140
thanks for linking the 4 part series.. i have watched the first one.. it’s helpful to know more people are questioning all this..
Posted by: james | Oct 19 2024 0:08 utc | 146
Posted by: james | Oct 18 2024 19:51 utc | 136
Indeed the destination was Vancouver, and we were coming in at dawn, an hours and hours long journey, so beautiful. I think back in those days the waterways were not as congested as they have become – I’m always glad I and my young family came to New Mexico in ‘early’ days and visited most of the surrounding pueblos for their ceremonial dances before there were more than a sprinkling of non-native observers. Those were sights to see, still would be. I remember the carefully costumed small children, who would now be adults with children of their own.
Thanks for providing the link. I see by investigating further that the book is 800 pages worth, maybe more than the library can handle. I may have to buy it. If I can, I will share.
Posted by: juliania | Oct 19 2024 0:33 utc | 147
James @ 142:
Who you gonna believe, yr friend or yr own lying eyes? 👩🎤
Yes our paths have crossed as you have mentioned.
BTW I had a look at that Gay Times survey that Fnord linked to @ 123 but I didn’t see that the results supported her contention about lesbians being more supportive of transgender people than other LGBTI+ groups were. For one thing the sample included people aged 18 to 25 years, an age group most likely to support underdogs and to be most receptive to and tolerant of alternative opinions and lifestyles, and experimenting with different ways of living. So right away you know the results are likely not to reflect what the whole lesbian or other LGBTI+ communities think. Another issue is the way the data was collected: if people were invited to reply, then it is possible that mainly those with positive attitudes towards women transgender people answered the survey.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 19 2024 1:20 utc | 148
Sign of the time…
With the rise of multipolar world,
people are getting bolder in challenging the ruse based order.
JOurno destroys Stoltenberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vEDUp0qZkc
Posted by: denk | Oct 19 2024 3:01 utc | 149
@ Refinnejenna | Oct 19 2024 1:20 utc | 149
lol… i believe a little about a lot!! hey, i got flattered with your comment about the 18 to 25 age group being more tolerant… i am in my late 60’s and i fit into that group!! thanks for your posts and commentary…
Posted by: james | Oct 19 2024 3:30 utc | 150
Gender relations are beyond complex (literally) even without to trying figure in transgender folks. We are procducts of society and history, and as we’re thrown into the world where we become persons, there is little to no hope ever to be able to reverse all the bad and traumatic that befell us during our lives.
So let’s try to find some more or less general obseravtions about gender issues in current western societies, from which to build an analysis. I shall then use the result to try and shine some light on the more contentious questions.
Patriarchy is obviously real. The historical task (an actual struggle for freedom) to liberate women has generated a number of new problems, some of which are truly epic in scale on their own. For one, current economic interests – ‘capitalism’ – have immediately hijacked the movement and pushed it towards less than perfect ideals, to say the least. This confusion is exacerbated by divide-and-rule tactics, and this is happening with rather satanic intent nowadays. The result is devastating, but at the same time the male half of the population mostly doesn’t give a shit about questioning their traditional roles and gender affirmation, almost pretending as if nothing has happened at all that concerns them. On top of this mess, we are facing the integration of deviant (from the stereotype) minorities, which as a movement again is massively hijacked by nefarious and hidden actors (at least in my view, see below).
Filtering all this yields a number of quite objective demands, which provide legitimate claims to normative ideals. Among them, straightforward, the right of all persons to choose their partner and mate (notwithstanding obvious limitations, like protection of the young), their persuasions in life, especially around education and career opportunities (again with reasonable limits such as fitness requirements, general abilities and etc.), and – because why not? – their subjective desire to express themselves towards others freely (while respecting the usual norms and standards of conduct). To rephrase from the general statement, I can’t for the life of me see why people should not be free to be gay, to do crossdressing, to fancy another pronoun, and to undergo cosmetic surgery if they really wish to. I mean, what the fuck are folks thinking to disallow such self-expressions, unusual as they are at first sight?!? Again, the limitations be mentioned: the youth should have a safe space to grow up and discover their own sexuality, the crossdressers should not be allowed to jump gender gaps in sports, prisons etc, and language should be left alone by overeager political moralists who ask everyone to ignore the sensible and logical ways to speak. Pronouns are a matter of grammar, sexual orientations can (and often are) somewhat fluid over the course of a lifetime, and if one really wants to refuse being male or female in, say, front of the tax office, so be it: let’s offer a third, non-conforming type gender, and be done with it there. [The gender-specific rules for this category (sports, prisons, toilets and whatnot) are probably not a major topic of content, especially if all people of this flair have chosen to affirm themselves as such legally as an adult, but not from birth.]
Sounds simple enough to me. So why are we seeing such major upheaval about us? I’d like to point out that there at least one problem of ideology involved, or in fact bad philosophy. It’s so bad that indeed one might think it is by nefarious intent … but judge for yourself. The root error is neatly expressed in a book title by none other than Theodor Adorno, in just two words: Critical Theory. What is that supposed to mean, I wonder? Obviously, a theory is some sort of notion which is consciously developed to apply on some kind of experience in a lifeworld, like I have a theory about sockpuppeteers on MoA, the state of mind of one ex-barfly who’ll not be named, the current state of metaphysics, the actual nature of the quantum findings and etc etc. — Usually those efforts are trying to be constructive or at least hopefully helpful. So what does critical imply here? Forget about Adorno for a moment, and just reuse the title on our own here: let ‘critical’ mean that any and all notions and experience you’re having should be subjected to, well, critical examination. You’re being asked to wonder about everything by default: are you really hungry? Is aunt Maggie really important for you? Is Debbie really a proper girlfriend, and are you actually making love to her the right way? Isn’t any law like any other, and hence life in China just like life in the USA? – What makes something actually worthwhile, say in art: it must surely be the effort put into its sophistication, with the educated taste rightly demanding a certain minimum of standard, so that the painting in the living room of Farmer Joe is a crass expression of this man’s lowlife character, and the crass noise of Alban Berg being played backwards by half the orchestra is really amazing culture; all the while a song to sing along to is worse than simply bad taste, as it’s dangerous to culture. Last not least, sexual intercourse must certainly be completely ridiculous, just look at the bodies moving about in stupid spasm as you can see in any a pron flick. … All those examples are taken from the Adorno school of thought, by the way. I absolutely despise this guy for his snobism and hypocrisy, and will state my opinion here that Adorno has probably never published a single true sentence in all of his works.
Back to the topic. It gets interesting now. Isn’t that critical approach also what happens when we ask George what pronoun he prefers, what sexual identity he sports, what gender type he is? Isn’t that just what happens when we define intersectionality as the defining feature of discrimination, instead of calling it out where it’s really happening, there and then?
In adding my take to james comments above, where his friend in an email criticizes refinnejenna: isn’t the claim that everyone must be accepted without regard for groups they may or may not belong to also a case of this “critical” approach? “How does a Tajik look like? Can’t say, because how would you know?” or “All transgenders must be accepted as being nice just as anyone else, so how can you say transgenders are messing up society?” and etc etc. – – is that point somewhat clear? It’s a bit tricky to explain, but at the root of the IdPol thinking seems to reside a neatly placed logical error. – Let’s skip further speculation, and jump to a view of present society in general today. What political movements do you see? IdPol, climate threat, mainstream media herding (outcasting Abweichler dissidents like the tin foil hat party, the covidiots, the climate deniers, the antisemites), antifa, the democracy lie, the universal mono-god, the exploitation of everyone and everything including self, others, nature and even outer space now. Now ask yourself, who screams loudest for all these righteous tasks? It’s the virtue signallers, people who are aggressive, histrionic, insecure, often driven by netherly traits (such pleonexia and megalomania), and devoid of empathy, ethics or a rich, deep sense of self. Useful idiots like Zelensky, Olaf Scholz, Keir Starmer, the hopscotching BärBock, Macron, and of course Trump too, about whom Stephen Bannon said with glowing admiration, ‘He is an armor-piercing shell!`when he apparently was in need of one. Such characters are easily manipulated, because of their reducecd (ME!) motivational spectrum, lack of empathy, foundational insecurity, insatiable greed and longing for status and exclusivity. Sometimes you only need to throw out an adequate bait, such as moral grandstanding, and the so inclined will start to loudly proclaim that you are guilty of climate change, refinnejenna hates people, james is a conspiracy theorist, and persiflo dismisses Adorno thus proving he’s a reactionary Nazi and, hence, ‘Auschwitz’.
/rant
Posted by: persiflo | Oct 19 2024 4:34 utc | 151
Posted by: fnord | Oct 17 2024 16:15 utc | 29
Not sharing in your delusions is not hate.
Did your mom have any kids that aren’t retarded?
Posted by: Screwdriver | Oct 19 2024 5:01 utc | 153
Ugly edited, too long post yet again … apologies to the bar.
Here’s some songs to sing along to, it’s late over here, and
I want to what love is
It’s my life
Lay all your love on me
I want to break free
Posted by: persiflo | Oct 19 2024 5:08 utc | 154
@154 persiflo
*Jersey accent* Nice rant you got there. It’d be a shame if someone ignores it.
…
But I’ll add a thought.
We have no relation to ourselves.
We have a relation to other objects and indeed, we find other objects through our relationship to other people, who are also objects in our world.
But there is nothing inside of us that can safely be described as our “self” or the being in-and-of-itself. As the co-namer of things, the biggest mystery in the universe is the self.
And now you are telling me that there are groups of people that want to define their self in terms related to their genitals or with regards to the genitals of others.
We desperately want to other ourselves or describe our self in terms we use for external things or other objects, completely passing on the mystery of the self and abiding in patience in that self. Seems like a big step down.
What happens when, and it always will and does, the person who calls himself gay after a lifetime of torture does not come to any further sense of their self after coming out?
Perhaps they are not really gay. Perhaps they are a furry? Perhaps they are asexual.
…
I have another theory: perhaps the world is total bullshit and the confidence that many, the masses, exhibit is a complete shine-on. Secretly, deep-down, they are hopelessly lost and the only way they can affirm their existence as a non-self disguised as a self is to pick on weaker, albeit more sensitive souls. Indeed, souls that have fathomed their lostness and are crying to the heavens for answers.
What if all of culture has been this same game played day in and day out for millenia, with the murder of these weaker, sensitive souls being the glue that holds the whole mass of non-selves afloat?
Nietzsche thought this. Or would have come to this conclusion eventually had he not sanctioned this original violent act as a good, completely siding with the masses of dumbasses who he so incorrectly presumed he was above.
But here’s the rub: these non-selves or un-selves, or perhaps even selves in the original sense of lostness (us, if we were being honest), they, as of recent history, have decided that they will no longer be victims are so have decided to name themselves to avoid the shame of being an un-self.
Not being able to hang with the strong retards, they have to take the table-scraps, taking on the mantle as gay or transgender or what have you. Anything to stay in the system of retards. Anything but being an un-self!
…
This does not excuse the strong-retards in their heteronormative culture of the powerful. It indicts them completely. Sex between men I am sure produces the same sexual gratification as that of the union of a man and a woman. There is nothing wrong to feel a stirring of admiration for another man. But the wires can be crossed. One can view another man as beautiful without the desire to possess.
Heteronormative culture is indeed more disgusting than queer culture, because the former is afraid of the feminine. I say get rid of them both. Queer culture is equally no culture at all because it apes heteronormative culture.
…
So that brings us to marriage and then to The Logos. The gathering. The union of opposites. A place where selves can hide in each other and in their sacramental union in Jesus Christ.
There is nothing spiritual about same-sex fornication. It is the bestial entirely. (That is not to say that a man can not truly love another man or can abide in this love) But so is the aping of Marriage by those of the heteronormative bent who do not revere the feminine.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 19 2024 5:59 utc | 155
Scene 1. persiflo’s appartement. a simple, yet spacious room, not entirely without elegance, in a state of obvious disorder. Garments, cloths, dresses and panties are strewn about, along with bizarre toys and an uneven assortment of short ropes. Glasses and empty bottles. Next to the mattres, an adjustable boom with a pink electrically vibrating tip is part of a larger, optimistically-looking contraption. persiflo, dressed in supermini pants, a bright-coloured bellytop, and an unfitting hat of maritime flair, is working tirelessly, switching between the design of his novel “complete sex bunny re-education home kit – ease of use and handling, providing you for the full range of training exercises necessary in the day-to-day nurture and care of your home companion” – product name: Roger, Rabbit! – and a computer screen holding a line to MoA. The telefondle rings true.
[persiflo:] Nemesis! yeah, I can hear you … what, today?? Nope sorry, I’m completely down and busy with my new project; this time I will just blitzkrieg the market … yeah, sure we can talk on the phone if this helps … [persiflo, wearing a rope on one of his ankles, stretches into a strewn comfy position, drinks wine]
No, it’s NOT about the genitals! They’re of course useful, this is after all the main reason why my sex bunnies are all the rage lately among girls of all ages, as you well know, but strictly, no – my bunnies are such charming creatures because of their psychological make-up – which was hard to refine by the way! After years of tireless experiments with breeding, success only came when I managed to apply a logical argument! I simply told my rabbits, ‘Listen up lads! You — ‘ [Nemesis interrupts him]
No, seriously, my dear Nemesis – I tell you, the genitals are merely attached protrusions of the body, which itself is weirdly affixed to our noetic souls for whatever reason, as if we’re stuck in our own tar babies … yeah, so the genitals – just imagine them like a joystick, like those for a FlightSim or car racer, a simple control input device you can map according to your desires regarding the output side – but the actual information is processed in the psyche of my bunnies, you see? You can easily adjust them according to your needs, just use the genital input device and the feedback learning exercises, and they’ll happily hop onto you every time you give command! [long pause]
Oh, I see! That’s sad, Nemesis. I’m afraid this bunny might be broken. You should not have lent it away, frankly. They’re simple beings, they need a stable and loving home, plus regular milking as you know, but they’ll certainly suffer terrible confusion from misplaced attention and emotional complications. They just can’t make any sense of other things than … it is their only interest, if you refuse them that they will quickly develop mental problems and often just die … I’m sorry, Nemesis. [pause] Nah, Nemesis. Just leave it somewhere roadside or in the woods, nature will take care of it, or hey! actually you can cook it, they taste not that bad, and the fur may be useful too. [pause]
Breeding them at home? Frankly, this is better solved by industrial means, just buy one at the pet shop whenever you feel like. Oh, and make sure to check out my new range of home cages, they’re marvellous, bunnies just LOVE them! [pause]
Okay, great, Nemesis! Glad I could help you out! Always a pleasure, just call again when … bye! bye!
Posted by: persiflo | Oct 19 2024 7:47 utc | 156
Gold >= $2700
Did mining become more difficult?
Posted by: too scents | Oct 18 2024 4:54 utc | 101
Naw,
1. Look at the weekly commitment traders report.
Producers and the banks that fund the producers via loans are getting short. It is the speculators that are long. FOMO with every granny and their dog and the postman long gold.
The opposite of when gold went higher. Speculators were short and producers and the banks that fund the producers were long.
You shouldn’t really go against the producers and the banks that fund them of a commodity.
2. Speculators have the interest rate thing backwards.
They think cutting interest rates are good for gold but their reasoning is a myth. It is deflationary not inflationary. Just ask Japan and the EU who had zero rates and negative interest rates for years and could never hit their 2% inflation target and always landed below it.
3. War ! The portfolio mangers who manage people’s savings added gold to their portfolios. Thinking war is either going to expand in Europe or expand in the middle East.
Just watch what happens if their is a peace agreement in Ukraine and the Middle East and central banks keeping cutting interest rates. Those not short will be crusshed. Jimmy Dore and the Judge and all those that took money from the gold bugs to fund their shows will have some explaining to do. It is the granny and their dogs and the postman that is going to get hurt.
Exact same behaviour happened during the financial crises. Of course they never learn. Ideologues refuse to learn.
HERE
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=10895
The difference being they slashed, cut, everything during the financial crises, destroyed jobs, people were thrown out of their homes and still has to deal with inflation. Created what is now called a lost decade.
This time around the whole economy was closed and they used the fiscal pump to produce the quickest recovery in human history. Yes, there was inflation but people still had jobs and just adjusted their spending and saving habits. There was no lost decade.
A far better outcome than having no home, no job and still having to deal with inflation. The economy saw growth rates that haven’t been seen for decades.
Japan never hiked rates and look at their inflation ,
https://tradingeconomics.com/japan/inflation-cpi
It was transitory and would have been transitory everywhere else if the other central banks had never hiked rates. By hiking rates they made the inflation worse. Via interest payments and the increased cost of credit just got passed onto consumers as higher prices.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 19 2024 10:08 utc | 157
The current state can be summed up as: “How many fingers, Winston?” (1984 ref). Getting people to say men are women is right up there with four fingers are five fingers.
Posted by: john brewster | Oct 17 2024 13:31 utc | 3
Compliancy is becoming the main social criterium.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 19 2024 10:27 utc | 158
Too scents,
They told you hiking rates are supposed to slow down bank loans. That’s how they are supposed to work.
Consumer credit
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/consumer-credit
Commercial and Industrial
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/loans-to-private-sector
Interest income to households and businesses ↑
Bank lending ↑
Increased cost of credit got passed onto consumers via higher prices.
They told you They were fighting inflation by hiking rates. Will they have learned anything ?
Never in a million years they are ideologues.When the facts contradict the theory the facts are wrong!
Just like all across the western world, Elvira Nabiullina is making the same mistakes.
Interest income to households and businesses ↑
Bank lending ↑
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/consumer-credit
Every time she hikes rates thinking she is fighting inflation. She makes it worse. The inflation rate tracks the interest rate. See Argentina and Turkey for details.
They all suffer from the same GROUPTHINK ( except Japan ) that there is some magical interest rate that will balance borrowing v’s saving. There isn’t in the real world.
Of course, an interest rate above the inflation rate works to shift relative value against wage earners and towards rentiers.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 19 2024 10:46 utc | 159
Too scents,
MMT’rs have made a movie called – Finding the money
Filling theatres all across the world as we speak and the most watched documentary on Apple TV.
We asked Jared Bernstein a very simple question. A top economist that advises the US government .
“If we issue our own currency why do we borrow ?”
Listen to his answer too scents
HERE
https://x.com/FindingMoneyDoc/status/1786050601236779078
These people are clueless and don’t live in the real world. You should watch the movie. Not sure if it is on Netflix yet if you don’t have Apple TV. But it will be soon.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 19 2024 11:00 utc | 160
They told you hiking rates are supposed to slow down bank loans. That’s how they are supposed to work.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 19 2024 10:46 utc | 163
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You are lost.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2024 11:09 utc | 161
Posted by: PeterAU1 | Oct 19 2024 11:04 utc | 165
Excellent Peter !
You have described the mainstream media, gold bugs, crypto Bro’s, Monetarists perfectly.
Well done ….
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 19 2024 11:12 utc | 162
Posted by: PeterAU1 | Oct 19 2024 11:11 utc | 167
I’ll fix it for you.
In short :
Everyone Peter agrees with are his buddies and are fabulous.
Everyone Peter disagrees with is a troll. Anybody who upsets his confirmation bias and his ideological views better watch out. You have been warned in advance !
I’m pretty sure you don’t understand free speech and what it means and are certainly come across as a fascist Peter. Please don’t tell me you are now your own version of the mainstream media ? That would be a very sad turn of events indeed.
Free Speech :
“The right to express an opinion in public without being restrained or censored.”
Thank God, b is running this site and not you. Even though you think you do. You can’t just censor someone because you don’t agree with them Peter and they make you feel uncomfortable and hurt your feelings.
If you are not very careful Peter, you will try and live in a world that only agrees with you. Unfortunately, many people have ended up in mental institutions for less.
🙁
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 19 2024 11:37 utc | 163
Posted by: PeterAU1 | Oct 19 2024 11:11 utc | 167
Like a water off a ducks back.
Is my advice for good mental health Peter. Don’t allow yourself to get so worked up about it buddy. Please don’t turn into the mainstream media.
Just completely ignore rather than becoming the Stasi. Is so much more healthy.
Why you have convinced tourself, that you need to be a moderator is beyond my understanding of human behaviour. So I hold my hands up and openly admit, I just don’t get it. Why you would choose to put yourself through it.
Just leave it to b, he knows what he is doing.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 19 2024 11:55 utc | 164
I forage, others forage, we all stumble across stuff…
Latest post from the X account of Mike Mihajlovic is a retweet from Diana Panchenko. Ukrainian politics.
“Today I’ll introduce the King of sex-industry in Ukraine, Vitaliy Klitchko (@Vitaliy_Klychko).
He controls the biggest network of strip-clubs. 100 brothels only in Kyiv!
He sells hundreds of girls to EU and the US. He sells drugs in Ukraine.
He also under investigation on corruption and state treason.
Please like or share!”
https://x.com/Panchenko_X/status/1845912862385922548
A Canadian soldier posted to Latvia on behalf of NATO died off-duty. Investigation is underway.
https://www.pqbnews.com/national-news/investigation-underway-after-canadian-soldier-dies-off-duty-in-latvia-7591790
On Canada’s West Coast, a forager found a gigantic matsutake mushroom (90 sec report from CBC Vancouver)
https://youtu.be/4L1Skvg6-Oo
On Canada’s East Coast, a coastal community looks to algae to help offset massive water treatment bill
https://www.ctvnews.ca/climate-and-environment/algae-and-a-prayer-n-l-town-studying-whether-seaweed-can-help-offset-massive-water-treatment-bill-1.7077799
Daily Mail issues warning about plant spreading across the US
“Urgent warning over ‘nightmarish’ poisonous plant with deadly ‘eyeballs’ spreading across the US”
Excerpt:
Forager Alexis Nikole described the berries, which grow on flesh-like pink stems, as ‘complete and utter nightmare fuel’ in one recent TikTok video.
She said: ‘North America’s creepiest plant. As if I needed to tell you not to eat them, they look like they’re harboring a curse.
‘It looks like if you eat one of those, your bloodline will be cursed for always and eternity,’ she added.
The word ‘baneberry’ stems from the Old English words ‘bana’ or ‘bona’, which translates to ‘slayer’ or ‘murderer’, the Indiana Native Plant Society explained.
…
The National Park service issued a warning about the plant on Facebook.
‘My toxic trait is that I’m toxic,’ the post reads.
The agency encouraged people not to eat the fruit from the ‘creepy eyeball aesthetic’ plant.
‘As if the eyeball’s weren’t enough, they all have reddish “optic nerves” attaching them together. Nightmarish,’ one user commented.
Another person chimed in: ‘This plant just screams “Don’t Eat Me!” Why any human would think such a grotesque thing was palatable is beyond me.’
Someone else added: ‘What in the Halloween nightmare is this?’
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 19 2024 12:21 utc | 165
This is what will be presented at the upcoming BRICS + meeting. Download report at link below.
The report is excellent !
Of course (It’s nothing like the gold bug, crypto bro’s cheerleaders have been projecting.) Told ya they weren’t that stupid.
BRICS Chairmanship Research – The Ministry Of Finance Of The Russian Federation, Bank of Russia, Yakov and Partners
HERE:
https://pdfupload.io/docs/e1231f66
Section 1.5:
The future model of the IMFS should revolve around the following principles that would carry equal levels of importance:
1. Security – this includes technological and legal security, shielding its participants from unlawful loss of their capital and assets.
2. Independence –a solution that will perform based on mutual-reliance thus preventing any single party from establishing an overarching control.
( That’s the gold bugs dreams shattered ) anybody having more gold than anybody else would be at an advantage. Back to the drawing board gold bugs.
3. Inclusion – non-discriminatory access and minimization of entry barriers; it ensures equal access to the IMFS facilities regardless of the advancement of the home economy
(EMDEs / AEs) and prevents the imposition of restrictions by external parties that are not part of the transaction.
4. Sustainability – the solution must be designed with a long-term view and remain adaptable to the changing economic environment (e.g., shifting balances of payment,
new models of financing etc.), thus retaining its participants within the system and allowing it to achieve a network effect
( New models of financing could include a BRICS bond )
These principles are then used to formulate the criteria for the core components of the future model of IMFS:
1.Cross-border payments – a fast, cheap, transparent and inclusive mechanism that is built around the principle of minimizing trade barriers and non-discriminatory access.
2. Cross-border investments – an increasingly seamless environment that allows for efficient and sustainable capital allocation that does not hinge on a single-currency
centric infrastructure.
3. Reserves – sovereign reserve system that is supported by diversification across currencies, commodities and alternatives; protected from any outside will.
4. Stabilization & Development – consisting of development mechanisms via Multilateral Development Banks (MDBs) that include the World Bank Group (WBG) and other regional
institutions that are supporting developing economies, and the Global Financial Safety Net (GFSN) such as the IMF, Regional Financing Arrangements (RFAs), central banks’
bilateral swap lines – to provide adequate financial support against economic shocks (crises).
( Means increased deficit spend when needed )
5. Innovation (as the underlying principle) – implementation of fast, cost-effective and protected means of settlements that rely on innovative solutions such as central bank
digital currencies (CBDCs)
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 19 2024 12:41 utc | 166
The second section above is all about protecting savings.
Money earned after net exporting. What was being stolen by sanctions.
Gold bug, crypto bro’s, right wing sound money, fiscal conservative, dreams have been completely shattered.
This is all about development not austerity minded growth bullshit.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 19 2024 12:48 utc | 167
The top section of section 1.5 is all about how they are going to replace swift and future proof it.
What I love about the report is it has the global South and other smaller countries at the heart of it.
Opening up new mechanisms and opportunities to allow these countries to deficit spend and access more funds. Without being punished and having to sell their public services and infrastructure to do it.
Instead of America first
It is all of us first.
I’m absolutely delighted the gold bugs and Crypto Bro’s will have to Now hitch their sales pitch to another caravan. Cause this one is leaving the station without them.
Gold bricks will be used as collateral to get bank loans in some cases. Which is all it is really useful for. What it is already being used for today. How the Chinese flakey private sector tea pot refineries get credit lines etc.
Collateral for private sector bank loans is not what the gold bugs and Crypto bro’s had in mind. I think that is hilarious! They thought they were going to move the world back centuries lol. Take everyone with them to a race to the bottom and begger they neighbour world.
My own personal view is that it couldn’t have happened to a better bunch of fraudsters. 3 cheers to BRICS
Hip, Hip ……
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 19 2024 13:30 utc | 168
Trudeau Will Never Talk About The Real Foreign Meddling in Canadian Politics
https://www.rt.com/news/605911-trudeau-tucker-carlson-russia-funded/
“Trudeau has been playing similarly fast and loose with the ‘evidence’ of Indian ‘foreign interference’ lately, too…”
Unfortunately, the man pollsters predict will replace Trudeau as Canadian PM is as bad or worse:
https://www.youtub.com/watch?v=2MXZ3a9EVw4
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 19 2024 13:38 utc | 169
I have problems to post any comment here today and even read the site…an error appears after some minutes hanging…
I am trying now with VPN….
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Oct 19 2024 13:40 utc | 170
I just see now that the failed messages are now appearing published, and that I am not the only one experiencing this failure….
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Oct 19 2024 13:49 utc | 171
Bruised Northerner@171….yesterday the West Coast was the Wet Coast, not buckets of rain, actually barrels of rain. Driving through the Rain Forest, it lived up to its name. The downed trees across the road, waterfalls literally pouring across the road, with a section of road washed out……Tofino (I did look for Justin) was still beautiful…. giant waves and all. Quite the country Canada.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 19 2024 13:59 utc | 172
The BRICS report is also a sales pitch to Eurozone countries. Which is a brilliant geopolitical strategy. That is the pragmatism of China and Russia on full show here.
Why is that ?
If every country started off with 10 gold bricks if one country net exported more they would have more gold bricks. Thus an advantage.
The country that ended up with less gold bricks would have to impose austerity on their domestic sector. Meaning imports to their country would drop. Imports improve the standard of living of that country.
In Turn that would effect countries who previously exported to that country. Now they have to impose austerity on their domestic sector to make the adjustment.
The gold bricks are never evenly shared somebody always has an advantage and somebody a disadvantage. That’s exactly how the Eurozone has been set up. With gold standard, fixed exchange rate ideology. Countries can’t issue their own coin that has been monopolised by the ECB.
A race to the bottom and begger thy neighbour tax policies. Austerity will be imposed if you are at a disadvantage. See PIGS and The periphery of the Eurozone for details.
The BRICS report is saying, hey Eurozone countries it doesn’t need to be like that.
Go back to using your own currencies and trade with us. Look at our report – Independence –a solution that will perform based on mutual-reliance thus preventing any single party from establishing an overarching control.
Cross-border investments – an increasingly seamless environment that allows for efficient and sustainable capital allocation that does not hinge on a single-currency
centric infrastructure.
Reserves – sovereign reserve system that is supported by diversification across currencies, commodities and alternatives; protected from any outside will.
Sustainability – the solution must be designed with a long-term view and remain adaptable to the changing economic environment (e.g., shifting balances of payment,
new models of financing etc.), thus retaining its participants within the system and allowing it to achieve a network effect.
Come and join us…leave the EU.
It is genius 🙂
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 19 2024 14:00 utc | 173
It is genius 🙂
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 19 2024 14:00 utc | 184
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Thought exercise for your monetary theories: If it is such a good idea then why is being it resisted?
Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2024 14:10 utc | 174
PeterAU1 Oct 19 2024 11:04 utc | 165 & the rest are posts by the deranged one SeanAU/Debbie/Complicated, et al, also a name stealing imposter, with a penchant for a draw full of socks.
Don’t be deceived into slandering the absent, real PeterAU1, who most certainly did NOT create those posts.
More than an hour past midnight in SeanAU/Debbies timezone, absent, gone, off to sleep.
Peace Salaam Shalom
US Interest Burden Hits 28-Year High, Escalating Political Risk
. Treasury’s 2024 interest bill exceeded US spending on defense
. The climb reflects a historically big fiscal gap, higher rates
October 19, 2024 at 2:15 PM GMT+2
The US debt interest-cost burden climbed to the highest since the 1990s in the financial year that’s just ended, escalating the risk that fiscal worries limit the policy options for the next administration in Washington.
The Treasury spent $882 billion on net interest payments in the fiscal year through September — an average of roughly $2.4 billion a day, according to data the department released Friday. The cost was the equivalent of 3.06% as a share of gross domestic product, the highest ratio since 1996.
Historically high budget deficits, which caused total debt outstanding to soar in recent years, are a key reason for the increase. Those deficits reflect a steady rise in spending on Social Security and Medicare, as well as the extraordinary spending the US unleashed to battle Covid and constraints on revenue from sweeping 2017 tax cuts. Another big driver: the inflation-driven surge in interest rates.
continues ==> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-10-19/us-interest-burden-hits-28-year-high-escalating-political-risk
Who is paying $2.4B/day? Things that can’t continue won’t.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2024 14:43 utc | 177
Too Scents,
That Bloomberg article is trying to desperately downplay the subject.
3% of GDP ( sound not so bad)
1986 (geez that was during a big economic boom )
What that article omits is:
1) the annual interest payment sum is distorted downwards by the pace of rollover of cheap low interest debt into new high interest debt. Soooo the $882 billion figure for the FY ending in Sept. Really under emphasizes the current run rate of interest and seriously undercount a the 2025 run rate.
2) the key ratio isn’t Federal Gov’t interest cost versus GDP. The key ratio to watch is Federal Gov’t Tax Revenue vs.,interest cost. That’s a truely scary ratio expected to be 30-35% in 2025.
Thanks buddy
Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2024 15:19 utc | 178
desperately downplay
Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2024 15:19 utc | 189
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Michael Bloomberg likes to pretend that he is taller than he really is.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2024 15:32 utc | 179
@PeterAU1 | Sat, 19 Oct 2024 11:04:00 GMT | 165
Ganging Up / Forming Alliances: These trolls frequently align with like-minded individuals, forming cliques. They use group dynamics to reinforce their positions, making it difficult for opposing voices to break through. When supported by moderators or influential users, their behavior becomes even more entrenched.
Targeting Individuals: Control freak trolls often single out specific users for prolonged attacks. They accuse their targets of behaviors or beliefs that aren’t true, repeatedly bringing up these accusations to paint their target in a negative light.
Unwillingness to Debate Fairly: Instead of engaging in respectful, evidence-based debates, these trolls dismiss valid counterpoints. They are often unwilling to acknowledge nuance, and prefer binary, black-and-white arguments to sustain their control.
Provoking and Escalating Conflict: Control freak trolls are experts at escalating minor disagreements into full-blown conflicts. They thrive on drama and use inflammatory language to provoke emotional responses, making it difficult for the conversation to return to a rational, constructive place.
Inflexibility and Rigidity: They tend to be extremely rigid in their beliefs and intolerant of differing opinions. Instead of considering new information, they double down on their original stance, reinforcing their need for control and dominance over the conversation.
In these toxic environments, leaving can often feel like the healthiest option. But by recognizing these patterns, you’re better able to see through their tactics before making an exit. Which is the best solution of all.
This is important. For one, we’ve lost scorpion to a ghastly campaign by denk, who exhibited the above patterns in very clear kind. I know denk had followers for his views, but so had scorpion. denk brought forth often bizarre hate speech, which some accepted as a lead, while scorpion posted many items which were meant to provide fringe views on important topics; which is a way of working actually that many don’t get, ending up with dismissal of not just the input, but also the poster. The style I’m talking about is not just an acquired habit of gathering information, but rather a specific type of mental processing associated with profound intelligence. Not so long ago, a colleague made me aware of this, and pointed me to some proper psychological research on the topic. It’s sometimes called the matrix style of reasoning, wherein one doesn’t check new information against old views in a linear way as in typical “fits/errs/adds/unqualified” matching schemes, but updates a whole matrix of cross-referencing pieces of information constantly as a network. Hence scorpion thought articles to be interesting which contain very subtle or unsuspected views with potential relevance. Most people without this rare skill will read these pieces and think they are crazy. Which is exactly what has happened here. But instead of the peaceful, polite and cultured solution to work in parallel on the board, one team simply mobbed him off. Their aggression, led by denk (who proved himself a dubious fellow in my view), won out against the faction which acted reasonable and polite.
One of the consequences of having lost scorpion became increasingly apparent to me over the past few weeks, as I found myself without a reliable and extremely effective colleague, partner/sidekick and friend who helped me pull the cart with all the heavy baggage of philosophical language. Mind you, writing some of the stuff I post here in English, being German myself, is almost the same as reinventing a position. Scorpion was immensely helpful right from the beginning of the “Heidegger debate” when I started posting here regularly, opening ways, establishing actual discussions (which philosophy is about), and also supporting the task with some brilliant linguistic intuitions.
One of them has actually led to a breakthrough insight connecting Buddha and Husserl (and from there over to Aristotle, and then quite possibly onwards to Mani). Research is pending, but chances are we hit a bullseye with that. No jackpot awarded, which is fine in such cases (as there is no jury awarding the non-jackpot for this kind of removed insights) but scorpion got mobbed soon after, with the lasting side effect of yours truly losing a lot of traction which plays its part in longer and less striking posts as of late.
We may see him again, though. What is important is that the unusual habitat on the Moon of Alabama manages to learn and get a grip on this and other problems of group interaction. It’s a great space, but it’s far from perfect, and as a consequence, many good voices move off again while trolls reign.
My 2 cents on that.
Posted by: persiflo | Oct 19 2024 15:42 utc | 180
@ persiflo | Oct 19 2024 4:34 utc | 153
hi persiflo.. i read your post twice, but i have to say i have a hard time understanding what you are wanting to communicate… maybe it is just me, but i can’t figure what you are trying to say – out! thanks for trying…i tried too and gave up!
——— on moldova —— important overview for the elections that happen tomorrow..
The Western threat to Moldova’s future
How the population of a constitutionally neutral country is fighting to preserve its sovereignty against the US and EU, and their local lackeys
Posted by: james | Oct 19 2024 15:44 utc | 181
@ persiflo | Oct 19 2024 15:42 utc | 191
on the other hand your post here is very clear and understandable!! i am sorry you’ve lost a friend in scorpion.. but if what you have to say has resonance, someone else will come along to fill the void.. i tried to be neutral with scorpion, but he posted a lot and a lot of it was not something i was interested in.. i mostly skipped over his posts, but because i respect denk and waynorinorway, i essentially believe they had scorpion pegged accurately.. i don’t believe scorpion was banned, but instead opted to leave voluntarily..
we typically have to plod thru other posts here at moa which are a complete distraction.. since last night for me – that is certainly the case… as @ outraged has noted, that ain’t peter au and whoever is doing this offers a complete distraction that i am not interested in either… such is life!! cheers james
Posted by: james | Oct 19 2024 15:52 utc | 182
Endgame: US Ends Fiscal 2024 Paying A Record $1.1 Trillion In Interest Expense
Hmmmm – headline on ZH.
( too scents – that Bloomberg quip wins this thread )
Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2024 15:53 utc | 183
@ james | Oct 19 2024 15:44 utc | 192
Maria Sandu, still a Romainian today, was diagnosed in 2021 by Austrian clinic as suffering schizophrenia.
https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/10/18/austrian-psychiatrists-diagnosis-moldovan-president-sandu-has-schizophrenia
https://www.drugs.com/cons/eskalith.html
Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2024 15:59 utc | 184
@ too scents | Oct 19 2024 15:59 utc | 195
that wouldn’t surprise me.. thanks…
Posted by: james | Oct 19 2024 16:06 utc | 185
actually as a tool of the west, it makes complete sense..
Posted by: james | Oct 19 2024 16:07 utc | 186
@ james | Oct 19 2024 16:07 utc | 197
actually as a tool of the west, it makes complete sense.
Quite! 😉
@ persiflo | Oct 19 2024 15:42 utc | 191
You were addressing an obvious imposter, deranged & obsessed. Full of ill intent.
In b’s Bar, over many long years, Scorpion subtly lived the parable of ‘The Scorpion & The Frog‘, us, the Bar, being The Frog. Occasionally introduced extreme links/refs/commentary, as in, extreme. Whenever called out on it would … dramatically lose the plot. So much for his inner zen, wisdom, philosophical insight, etc. Perhaps the ‘subtleties’ in highly idiomatic english text, ‘Lost in translation’. Respect. Peace
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Posted by: denk | Oct 19 2024 16:52 utc | 188
@ persiflo | Oct 19 2024 4:34 utc | 152
cc: James
… refinnejenna hates people, james is a conspiracy theorist, and persiflo dismisses Adorno thus proving he’s a reactionary Nazi and, hence, ‘Auschwitz’.
That’s one hell of a concluding sentence, to your ‘rant’. Yet you slander PeterAU1 (Imposter) (un)knowingly & carry on about Scorpion being ganged up on ? Anticipating readers not to wade through or skip to your concluding remarks ? Addressing your nic in 3rd person ? You have no issues with parsing english/translation. BS. Previous ‘respect’, withdrawn. o_O
Real persiflo or another imposter …
@ 188 outraged
yes, i concur.. good analogy!!
regarding the quote from persiflo @ 152 – here is the full quote – “Sometimes you only need to throw out an adequate bait, such as moral grandstanding, and the so inclined will start to loudly proclaim that you are guilty of climate change, refinnejenna hates people, james is a conspiracy theorist, and persiflo dismisses Adorno thus proving he’s a reactionary Nazi and, hence, ‘Auschwitz’.”
the statement seems very ambiguous to me and i can’t properly parse it without more input from persiflo!! as i said @ 182 – the post is completely mystifying to me!!
Posted by: james | Oct 19 2024 18:08 utc | 190
“@ persiflo | Oct 19 2024 4:34 utc | 153
hi persiflo.. i read your post twice, but i have to say i have a hard time understanding what you are wanting to communicate… maybe it is just me, but i can’t figure what you are trying to say – out!”
Posted by: james | Oct 19 2024 15:52 utc | 183 & 18:08 utc | 191
Here’s persiflo’s dear heart hisownself:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/02/the-moa-week-in-review-ot-2024-060/comments/page/2/#comments “Generally, when things are hard to follow either the author doesn’t have a grasp of the subject or there is deception involved. The deepest subjects can be expressed in simple language.”
Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 27 2024 3:31 utc | 108
LOL!
@ Outraged | Oct 19 2024 16:37 utc | 188 who said,
“In b’s Bar, over many long years, Scorpion subtly lived the parable…”
Actually Scorpion only entered the bar in April of 2022.
It just seems like many long years.>grin<
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 19 2024 18:14 utc | 191
@ waynorinorway | Oct 19 2024 18:14 utc | 192
Holy shit! DogDamned, you’re right! Seemed like a helluva lot longer given his flood of posts. Probably conflated/pigeon-holed him in memory along with the likes of Slothrop & Jackrabbit.
Ahem, claim old age, early onset dementia, phase of the moon, height of the tide, mean ambient air temperature & Lysdexia, in my defense! 😉
@ waynorinorway | Oct 19 2024 18:14 utc | 192
lol… good find!!! we will send you out on the next mystery hunt to solve if you keep it up!! thanks..
Posted by: james | Oct 19 2024 18:53 utc | 193
Thanks for replies.
No consolation required on my loss of scorpion, we’ve established an email connection long ago, and he’s my pen pal in Mexico now. He retreated on his own accord, and the Moon will just carry on as it always does.
Opinions by people about other people are much more intractable than I’d have imagined, the proceedings at the bar show it clearly. The lesson is perhaps to relax a bit and try to accomodate folks as much as possible. MMT guy said as much above addressed at our bouncing Peter, the inverse of the suggestion I gave a while ago. Seeing how things unfold (from a distance, as I’ve mostly skipped the recent war threads) I now agree with him, which is cool because MMT guy is beautifully right here. – Perhaps some of us should join forces and approach b with our readiness to help out with maintaining at least some order here, which is necessary because vandalism is for real. I have actually done so myself while b was in the hospital, but he declined.
Counter-troll tactics is not so easy. Skipping many posts or blocking others is also not without its drawbacks. The only truly effective MO I can see is to post quality; rather skip writing one if it’s not sure to hit the mark. Try to remain concise and precise also in the replies, and look to add value.
I’m first to repeat the lesson, and hope it sticks. I surely experienced a little mission creep in my two or so years of regular posting; I went from a very specific and rather difficult tangential topic all the way to late night political ramblings, authoring bawdy one-act plays and carousing at the jukebox. I’ve also started a brawl once, exchanged gossip about other users and handed them medals, and even tried a little strategic analysis here and there. Well, it is a bar after all …
My above comment which isn’t clear enough is, well, not clear enough. Dear james, my sincere gratitude for pointing it out to me, and in such a friendly manner at that! I’ll take it to heart. Arguing with your reading comprehension is a sure non-starter; no such thing is on my mind. Thanks again.
A last address to Outraged, whose quality posts I’ve respected and enjoyed since many years. Boiling down the earlier SMO battlefield reports was one of the most valuable contributions I have seen here. May I ask if you’ve been a career staff officer or some such? Impeccable skill, plus lots of anecdotes. But I’m just a little curious, no need to satisfy this with an answer.
My sentence which turned out contentious presents the reader with the names of some barflies known to all here; I’ve added my own to reinforce the ironic twist of my statement. I’m sorry if this has not been clear enough. What I was trying to say is: that there are people out there (and certain types of people among them, as I try to point out just above in the post) who will attack even the most respected commentators with absurd ideological drivel, basically shitting on honesty for a few dollars more (though my point was about immaterial reward, as in virtue signalling etc).
While at it, let me say that calling james a conspiracy theorist is play on his gentlemanly approach to a broad range of topics ranging from fine arts to detailed critique of ongoing mass slaughter, all the while being serious, honest, calm and showcasing exemplary integrity.
Refinnejenna has conquered my heart upthread. Her art of the argument is incredible, refined, orderly, sophisticated, and much more … personally I enjoy the dry, even terse presentation, especially when given along with details showing massive erudition, or an argument such as the above, which is of a quality I can’t compare easily. Simple, elegant, completely general, and then presented in this underhand humorous way … just marvellous. I’m happy to have been around for this. Of course such a style precludes misanthropy, so my rudely ironic twist was a nod at her, too. Still happy to expound on that here!
I’d also like to mention Peter in Australia, whom I do not only respect, but came to like with a profound affection. For whatever reasons this man, with a totally different walk of life from my own, feels so naturally close and dear to me that I would board a plane down south just to see him for few beers if i had the means. I imagine to see the starry heavens and have a somewhat, inexplicably, quite special conversation.
A bit like with scorpion, btw. Say what you will about him, I feel that we’re truly talking.
Thanks bar, for letting me be sentimental today. No jukebox hits tonight. See you around!
Posted by: persiflo | Oct 19 2024 20:25 utc | 194
@ persiflo | Oct 19 2024 20:25 utc | 195
Previous discussion, commentary, sadly, mistakenly lost in translation. Apologies for inferences. In answer to your question, primarily, yes.
Peace Salaam Shalom
Posted by: persiflo | Oct 19 2024 20:25 utc | 195
Persiflo, I was on a hunt for one of karlof’s links and came to the last comments here I had totally missed, beginning with the long one you posted that james couldn’t understand…me neither, I’m afraid. I am one of those who have a very simplistic outlook; you are far more sophisticated when it comes to philosophy. It’s why I stick to Plato rather than going beyond. Plato is how I segue into faith, which is where my heart rests when the madding crowd gets too vociferous. Old dogs and all that.
But I have enjoyed everyone’s input since your first long post, and as you still have a scorpion connection, do give him my love. I understand why he left – he was being attacked. I thought Outrage’s observation about Aesop was a good one; scorpion certainly challenged me lots. It’s what scorpions do. Much as you all do, but in a good way.
I think karlof’s link was on another thread, must have been…
Posted by: juliania | Oct 19 2024 21:03 utc | 196
@ persiflo | Oct 19 2024 20:25 utc | 195
beautifully stated persiflo and coming thru very clearly and nicely too!! kudos! say hi to scorpion for me.. i really didn’t have a problem with him, except he posted a huge amount from time to time – more then i could bear to read! i like devils advocates and he was a bit like that as i see it.. whether he had other ulterior motives – i can’t say… the truth is it is hard to read people, especially those whose language is not english, but the fact we try to get along is most important.. we don’t get to see one another in a direct face to face way, so much of the subtle signals for understanding others is lost here… i figure because i will probably never meet any of the folks who visit moa, it is easier to be on good terms with everyone…in person i can be much more confrontational, especially if it is something i am attached to… there is an ongoing lesson for me with regard to being more detached.. it is generally much easier here, then in my day to day life where decisions are being made that directly impact me!! thanks for your post..
Posted by: james | Oct 19 2024 21:46 utc | 197
If anyone wants to dive into my long, incomprehensible post to find out what is going on, I suspect it has to do with the very different concept of concept (as in term) which is used in German. As it is, right there is one of the most important problems in all of philosophy, as it’s at the foundation of using meaningful language at all. German uses Begriff, from be-Greifen, with Greifen being related to engl ‘to grip something’; to get a grip, a hold of something. It implies firmness, but also evokes that hand and fingers are involved; hence, there is a sensual kind of experience, not a purely notional Wesens-Schau in the mind’s eye. The grip is firm, but never complete. A Begriff relates to its meaning, like names, categories, and whatever may be implied by it – modern parlance says Begriff pairs with its denoted Gegenstand, somewhat closely related to the latin bastard word object
Posted by: persiflo | Oct 19 2024 22:30 utc | 198
Holy mackarel, that was a work of editing! Being thirsty much. Sorry! lol
Posted by: persiflo | Oct 19 2024 22:31 utc | 199
Sexual orientation and gender do not both root in essentially ephemeral snesations; desire does, and hence orientation. Gender can be attributed to physique, as our fellow wagelaborer has pointed out on the board in a seminal post on the topic. I’ve saved it, and shall copy it here, to round out our discussion for this OT. Many thanks to wagelaborer for this important and well-stated argument! I recommend to copypaste from below for future use as well.
< + * * * * * >* + * * * * * w a g e l a b o r e r says : ~ :
There is no such thing as someone who produces both gametes, male and female. Your body is organized to produce the small mobile gametes (male) or the large immobile gametes (female). This goes for all animals who reproduce sexually, not just humans.
Pretending that there is now a special category for human biology, one that takes into account the sexual fetishes of some men, is simply a lie.
Sexual reproduction is the same as it ever was. Only the ruling class propaganda has changed.
fnord illustrated perfectly what robinthehood pointed out earlier, “Woman, per the new identity doctrines, has been reduced to an orifice and behavioral mannerisms”, when he claims woman is “a social grouping, based on social relations between individuals who have certain things in common, and who society trains and expects to behave in certain ways.”
Balderdash.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 7 2023 22:40 utc | 81
“Sex is biological and 99.98 percent of humans are either straight up male or female with no ambiguities. It’s determined at conception and fertilization, and is observable in every cell, every system, all our hormones, every organ, and in our entire biology. Sex is not assigned, it’s observed as a physical, material, and biological fact. Ultimately it’s all about the gametes. If you produce sperm you are male. If you produce ova you are female. No human was ever born without the haploid contribution of both male and female gametes.
And as regards intersex, this occurs in about 0.017 percent of humans and every case is a disorder of sexual development of either a male or a female. We have a ton of good data and the DSD categories are well understood genetically. These are the six biological karyotype sex disorders that do not result in immediate death to the fetus:
X – Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
XX – Most common form of female
XXY – Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
XY – Most common form of male
XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
XXXY – Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births
“If you are 46, XX, you are female. If you are 45, XO, you are still female, but with Turner syndrome. 47 XXX, 48XXXX and 49XXXXX, aren’t a spectrum of femaleness, they are classified as female chromosomal disorders. If you are 46, XY, you are male. If you are 47, XXY, you are male, but with Kleinfelter syndrome. If you are 48, XXYY, you are male, but with XXYY syndrome. 48,XXXY, 49,XXXXY. All are still male. These aren’t on a spectrum – they are categorized as male genetic disorders. They aren’t considered intersex conditions, but a lot of trans activists like to claim they are.
If someone had trisonomy 21, we don’t say they are on a human spectrum of any sort, we classify them as having Down syndrome.
Intersex conditions by themselves can exist in a spectrum, but only in relation to the severity of that specific condition. But even over that spectrum they have clearly defined categories. Androgen insensitivity syndrome is someone who is genetically male, but their reproductive organs don’t masculinize. It has 3 categories of severity.
There is no spectrum gradient between male and male with androgen insensitivity syndrome. These are clearly defined categories. There is no spectrum gradient between female and androgen insensitivity syndrome. You are either in the category female or category male with androgen insensitivity syndrome. There is no spectrum gradient between having an intersex condition and not.
If you have all the typical indicators of your sex, you are that sex, you are in that category. If you are born with the number and type of sex chromosomes off from your external genitalia, with unmatching or mixed type of gonads, with ambiguous internal reproductive anatomy; and/or ambiguous external genitalia, then you are in the intersex category. There is NO spectrum gradient or overlap between being typical male and having an intersex condition.”
Bottom line: Intersex is a specific set of individual genetic disorders of sexual development – not a third sex or a collection of different sexes.
If you want, please feel free to copy and save this comment for later reference. It’s complex and difficult to remember off the top of your head if you do not know the biology inside and out. And lots of people will try to confuse you with their ideological bullshit. The science is clear and the data is not confused.”
Posted by: persiflo | Oct 19 2024 22:50 utc | 200