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October 3, 2024
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It was good to hear Julian Assange speak in Strasbourg. I hope young people can appreciate what he has been through and that he gets back to work soon.

Posted by: General Strike | Oct 3 2024 14:51 utc | 1

The Joy of Chemistry
My latest Substack, opening lines:

How many different substances do you think there are in the universe? Millions? Billions?
The truth is, largely because of the versatility of the carbon atom, the number is potentially infinite.
But how many different particles do you think it takes to describe the composition of that infinity of substances?
The answer, which was unravelled by chemists a century or more ago, and is the triumph of chemistry, is just two.
I’ll say it again. Just two. That fact which I learned at the age of 14 just blew my mind, and changed the course of my life. Follow on down, and I’ll make a chemist of you too!

https://waltking.substack.com/p/the-joy-of-chemistry
Auschwitz: six facts, and seven questions.
I have something very, very special for you next Thursday. Take the Red Pill!
Opening lines:

As we approach the 80th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, to which celebration, bizarrely, the creators of the concentration camp, but not the liberators, have been invited – are we celebrating then the creation, or the liberation? – it seems an appropriate time to dig deeper into its history and find out what it truly was all about.
What follows are six indisputable facts, followed by my opinion.
Argue with the latter, if you like.
in-the-twilight-of-great-britain.FACT ONE:  AUSCHWITZ WAS A MAJOR MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

Announced here next Thursday, emailed to subscribers next Wednesday.
In the Twilight of Great Britain
Now over 1,500 views.
https://waltking.substack.com/p/

Posted by: Walt | Oct 3 2024 14:52 utc | 2

Let’s try some of that again.
As we approach the 80th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, to which celebration, bizarrely, the creators of the concentration camp, but not the liberators, have been invited – are we celebrating then the creation, or the liberation? – it seems an appropriate time to dig deeper into its history and find out what it truly was all about.
What follows are six indisputable facts, followed by my opinion.
Argue with the latter, if you like.
FACT ONE: AUSCHWITZ WAS A MAJOR MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
In the Twilight of Great Britain:
https://waltking.substack.com/p/in-the-twilight-of-great-britain

Posted by: Walt | Oct 3 2024 15:04 utc | 3

BULLETIN: Russian airbase in Hmeimin Syria attacked by both aircraft and naval vessels. Source is The Government Rag in a bulletin dated today 10-3-24. No secondary sourcing yet on sites I regularly access.
If the aircraft and naval assaults were strictly IZZraeli; there will be hell to pay in the near future. If the U.$. Navy was involved , then we are looking at a massive provocation by the puppet regime in the Di$trict of Corruption.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 3 2024 15:08 utc | 4

Walt@1504
Fritz Theissen’s “Stahlwerke” at Auschwitz received heavy initial financing due to the machinations of Prescott Bush working for the Brown Brothers, Harriman banking establishment in New York.
During the war the first of the Bu$h Crime Clan was accused by Congress of aiding and abetting an enemy of the Republic. Shortly after V.E. Day; all was forgiven, the father of George H.W. Bu$h and grandfather of Bu$h the Lesser, was elected as a U.$. $enator in the massively corrupted political entity known as the $tate of Connecticut.
Averill Harriman, scion of the massive railroad empire, became a powerful Republican entity in American politics. He held several high offices and even was considered at one time as a possible presidential candidate. We are looking at the machinations of the American elite, most of them being of Yankee stock and graduates of Ivy League institutions.
The CIA, for example, is and has been from its foundation, heavily larded with Yale grads, most notably GHW and his wayward son…with the former “honored” by both the CIA headquarters bearing his name and with the most advanced aircraft carrier in the U$N also named after that individual who organized the Bay of Pigs operation and may well have been the overseer of the assassination of JFK, primarily on the control matrix of the Agency.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 3 2024 15:20 utc | 5

10 year Treasury now at 3,82%
That’s a tell my friends

Posted by: Exile | Oct 3 2024 15:41 utc | 6

Posted by: Exile | Oct 3 2024 15:41 utc | 6
Oil ticking upwards as well: https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 3 2024 15:54 utc | 7

Zelensky to help with hurricane relief?
https://babylonbee.com/news/north-carolina-asks-zelensky-for-100-billion-in-us-funding

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 3 2024 15:56 utc | 8

83 comments on Israel, 9 comments on Ukraine. Does that mean hasbara outnumbers NAFO 10 to 1, or is it the same people who have been given other talking points?

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 3 2024 16:04 utc | 9

John Helmer has an update not the Skripal case in the UK. Incredibly, an Inquiry is moving forward in which neither of the two principals will appear in person, vis remote, or even via written statement. Any input from the two most direct witnesses to whatever may have occurred will consist of redacted information allegedly cobbled together from interviews back in 2018. The case is becoming the gold standard in farcical cover-ups, and yet it was central to the present Russophobic hysteria in Britain.

Posted by: jayc | Oct 3 2024 17:10 utc | 10

Excellent video – as usual – from Brian Berletic, New Atlas: “Washington Sets Trap for Iran, Will Iran Take the Bait?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRW8oX1y2Ac
He cites the above as a new article for New Eastern Outlook. Unfortunately, this is shorter and less informative than the video; copy the video transcript.

Posted by: horseguards | Oct 3 2024 17:22 utc | 11

People want to continue to talk about who controls what over and over on the threads, so. This is the basics, base of the control structure. While it relates to everything going on, it is not specifically related to Palestine or Ukraine so off topic is really the place for it. It appears people do not even know the basics of the control structure.
Rome, control still exerted now rebranded the autonomous Vatican City, controls the world religions. Rome founded Londinium, now the autonomous City of London, controls finance. Colonies of London created the autonomous city, the District of Columbia, which controls the military aspects. While of course there are a multitude of other control points, these 3 main ones basically control it all.

Posted by: Rhymerez | Oct 3 2024 17:30 utc | 12

Posted by: Exile | Oct 3 2024 15:41 utc | 6
It was almost 5% a year ago.

Posted by: horseguards | Oct 3 2024 17:46 utc | 13

Danish paper Politiken had last week a paywalled article on Nordstream, mainly reporting from Christiansø, the small island north of Bornholm, wherefrom allegedly the famous „Andromeda“ sailed. Amongst tons of the usual speculations and gobbledygook there was a real diamond of information, one should think. Translated quote:

In the first days, the harbor master, according to his own statement, “wasn´t allowed to say a word”. But today, John Anker Nielsen can well reveal that four or five days before the Nord Stream explosions, he was out with the rescue service on Christiansø because there were some ships with their radios switched off. They turned out to be American naval vessels, and as the rescue service approached, they were told by the Naval Command to turn back.

Need one know more?

Posted by: Udkanten | Oct 3 2024 17:49 utc | 14

Australian politicians falling over themselves to denounce, or imprison, anyone that shows the slightest bit of support for Hezbollah.
“And it should here be noted that Australia is the only so-called democracy in the world which has no national charter or bill of rights of any kind. A tremendous amount of faith has been placed in state and federal legislators to simply do the right thing.”
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/10/03/punishing-pro-hezbollah-speech/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 3 2024 17:54 utc | 15

If I recall correctly the Dutch – invaded England in 1688, maybe BoJo sought revenge, mind you the Dutch are in it up to their necks, with the BS, Flight MH17 report – not to mention Geert Wilders, and his protege Mark Rutte – Nato’s new mouthpiece.
“Former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has revealed a planned “raid” on a NATO ally to steal COVID-19 vaccines amid a UK-EU dispute in 2021.
Johnson’s memoirs published by the Daily Mail on Saturday cited an extract in which the ex-UK PM claimed British military officials had put forth a secret plan to steal COVID-19 vaccines from a factory in the Netherlands.
According to the memoirs, the factory was holding approximately 5 million Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine doses manufactured by subcontractors at the Dutch Halix plant.
Johnson claims in his memoirs that British military officials told him the plan to steal the vaccines was “feasible.”
However, they also warned Johnson that pulling off the operation undetected would be nearly impossible and Downing Street should be prepared for potential diplomatic fallout with both the EU and NATO if the raid was carried out as relations with Brussels were already sour over Brexit.
“If we are detected, we will have to explain why we are effectively invading a long-standing NATO ally,” Johnson in his memoirs quoted one top UK military official as saying.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 3 2024 17:55 utc | 16

Re: De-Dollarization
True : 10 year peaked at just over 4.8% last April. However, since the 50bpts cut, 10 year has risen a hair. We can argue if at 3.7%, the 50bpts was baked-in-cake or something else. That’s not important, what’s significant is:
At these interest rate levels – 30-35% of Federal Income is 2025 will be consumed by interest payments.
Would you lend to someone who spends 30-35% of their income on interest ?

Posted by: Exile | Oct 3 2024 17:56 utc | 17

10 year Treasury now at 3,82%
That’s a tell my friends
Posted by: Exile | Oct 3 2024 15:41 utc | 6
Spreading joy throughout the world has a price. The bill is in the mail.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 3 2024 18:16 utc | 18

The German car industry is in trouble – self-inflicted I might add.
“Last month, the EU’s biggest carmaker – Volkswagen – announced that it would consider plant closures or layoffs in Germany for the first time in its 87-year history. The company also announced it would be forced to end its employment security program, which had been set up to postpone all job cuts until at least 2029.
In early September, Volkswagen Group CEO Oliver Blume called the situation the automobile market was facing “highly challenging and serious,” adding that the possibility of “plant closures are no longer excluded.” The company management did not specify how many of the company’s 120,000 employees in Germany would be laid off.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 3 2024 18:28 utc | 19

@ 14 udkanten
thanks for that..an investigation would be closely examining this, but we know the west is so busy living in ‘cover up’ reality, no investigation into this will see the light of day.. and to think denmark said no to nazism back in the day.. they are saying yes to it now!

Posted by: james | Oct 3 2024 18:33 utc | 20

The Western backed terrorist oufit the White Helmets, are back in Syria – planning a false-flag chemical weapons attack, says Russian Intelligence.
A wee bit more info on this vile outfit.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/White_Helmets

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 3 2024 18:36 utc | 21

Re: new car demand
A) Calculate these variables and then tell me how quickly new car demand will fade.
1) cars last longer
2) people driven less (VMT declining)
3) auto maker to preserve their margins eliminated cheap entry level cars.
4) Car free are increasing (from a tiny base)
B) Auto manufacturing is a cutthroat incredibly efficient business:
1) global production overcapacity is estimated to be 5-10% versus demand
2) rule of thumb 1 shift operation is breakeven, 2 shift operation equals profit.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 3 2024 18:45 utc | 22

Would you lend to someone who spends 30-35% of their income on interest ?

Speaking of a nations unfavorable economic developments reminds me of these gloomy assessments of what the climate change/catastrophe might cost the world from a purely economic point of view:
“Global economy facing 18% loss in GDP by 2050” – caused by

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 3 2024 18:50 utc | 23

83 comments on Israel, 9 comments on Ukraine. Does that mean hasbara outnumbers NAFO 10 to 1, or is it the same people who have been given other talking points?
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 3 2024 16:04 utc | 9
Perhaps it is the ongoing slaughter and targeting of unarmed civiliians, mostly women and children.
The imagery depicted in tens of dozens of videos of dead limbless and starved children has had more of an impact on the soul of humanity.
Ukraine is armed
Russia kills soldiers
Palestine is not…
JUSA kills children
all attention now turns to the ME

Posted by: ld | Oct 3 2024 19:06 utc | 24

@20 James.
Desculpe camarada, mas a Dinamarca teve um governo, diga-se de passagem, social-democrata, totalmente subserviente durante a ocupação nazista.

Posted by: Soviético | Oct 3 2024 19:08 utc | 25

Speaking of these new cars. I watched a video where they where showing 500 page reports from data brokers being sold to insurance companies of all their cars movements. One guy’s new car caught on fire inside the warranty. They denied the claim because he went over 85 MPH. One guy took his car out on a racetrack and ran it through its paces. His insurance was cancelled. They hard a hard time extracting the information from the insurance company but in good corporate fashion you can buy the report. Anyone can.
Once you get cancelled that information sprawls though all the companies. No one will insure you. One guy says he found a company at 4 times this the cost.
Everthing goes into those reports, speed, braking, locations, cell phone use. They key on speed and excessive braking. It flags you as a bad driver. Now feed that into their AI system.
Its a fine corporate model. What do I have to hide? Everything. Now they put sim cards in the cars. No one can be without their phones. Thats the other side of the model. Phone crackheads

Posted by: circumspect | Oct 3 2024 19:17 utc | 26

Regarding Syria i found that today:
https://syria.liveuamap.com/
but you can also select

* Israel-Palestine (includes the invasion of and strikes on Lebanon)
* Ukraine
* USA
* Epidemics!
* …

So very interesting, those live-tickers…
Hopefully the suspected false-flag chemical weapons attack by the white helmets won’t take place or can be thwarted.
Its disclosure should already have defused it, shouldn’t it?

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 3 2024 19:19 utc | 27

(includes the invasion of and strikes on Lebanon)

or should I write the attempted invasion?

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 3 2024 19:22 utc | 28

The German car industry is in trouble
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 3 2024 18:28 utc | 19
Demand for new cars has just collapsed. Now Germany has the cheap labor, Germany no longer has the industry.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 3 2024 19:24 utc | 29

Speaking of these new cars
one might hope that data brokers/insurance companies’ interactions or the supposed lack thereof with the Chinese mobile industry is more favorable for the car owners…

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 3 2024 19:31 utc | 30

@passerby
Politics has failed to shape a better future.
* VW had e-mobility ready years ago,for 20 000€ a car, but decided against it, politics could have forced them, now
e-mobility must be imported.
* We had solar-industry, politics sabotaged it. Now we import it from China.
* We had an extensive rail network throughout Germany. Large parts were dismantled. The so called green party had a part in that.
Politics has failed us.

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 3 2024 19:43 utc | 31

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 3 2024 19:43 utc | 31
Also: stating publicly that policy is to phase out fossil fuels, to get rid of gasoline and diesel cars by 2030.
The moment that policy is stated, no company is going to invest in oil refineries. No student is going to begin combustion engine studies.
When a few years later it turns out that the policy was not realistic, you have a problem.
Similar statements can be made about coal power plants.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 3 2024 19:59 utc | 32

It’s hard not to wish Russia would speed things up but dragging out the SMO is giving the Empire enough rope to hang itself:

In the US, more than a million Americans were left without electricity because the authorities donated spare transformers to Kyiv.
Here, in several states, the most destructive hurricane since 2005, “Helen,” passed through. And among the consequences, in addition to the hundred and fifty dead, were 360 destroyed transformer substations.
Local authorities reported that there was no resource to quickly repair everything. And when they began to dig into the truth, it turned out that the entire critical reserve of transformers was proudly donated to Kyiv by the kind American authorities.
What Ambassador Bridget Brink proudly reported just a month and a half ago
“>https://t.me/vicktop55/27056

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 3 2024 20:05 utc | 33

“Would you lend to someone who spends 30-35% of their income on interest ?”
Posted by: Exile | Oct 3 2024 17:56 utc | 17
The American dollar is not just the mirror image of US fiscal policy and it, admittedly, bleak balance sheet.
So much debt is in US dollars, commodities are in US dollars its a signal of the reserve currency/over time not really of the US government balance sheet..
In the Middle Ages 800 years after the demise the West Roman Empire died , they stilled used the denarius’ as a unit of measure but not in actual gold from for accounting.
There is so much US paper bonds /debt out there they will still be used decades from now-at a discounted
De-dollarization will take 30-40 years.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 3 2024 20:26 utc | 34

Aristodemos,
W. Averell Harriman was a leading Democrat, not a Republican.

Posted by: Lysias | Oct 3 2024 20:47 utc | 35

@passerby
what do you mean not realistic policy regarding coal power plants?
Already in the first half of this year we had over 60% of electricity from renewable energy sources here in Germany.
We could power two e-cars from our roof-photovoltaic system at home – and the roof still had space for more solar cells.
There are already a lot of roofs with these here. Solar cells have never been so cheap!
There are also new promising technologies on the test run.
Which could be taken to the next level.
Enter energy storage solutions as basic public infrastructure…
well of course energy, water and transport infrastructure is to be in public hands 🙂
Of course students can still learn about outdated dirty technologies, but they should learn about the new well working ones, which at least don’t pollute the air.
Regarding relatively new fossils fueled cars, it would be a pity and a waste not to convert them into e-mobiles.
Again its politics that stand in the way of positive shaping.

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 3 2024 20:56 utc | 36

@passerby
Apropos unrealistic policies
This scientist also thinks that current plans to counter the climate catastrophe are unrealistic.
Because they don’t really take the problem seriously…

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 3 2024 21:50 utc | 37

Netanhahu has killed as many Lebanese citizens as Israeli ones and the Gaza ones on top too.

Posted by: a dance | Oct 3 2024 21:58 utc | 38

Posted by: Jo-Oh | Oct 3 2024 20:56 utc | 36
Comparing cost is not an argument when one ítem is subsidized, and the other taxed. The biggest subsidy for solar is obliging electricity companies to buy it, even if they do not wish to. In the end, this will cause electricity companies to get out of the electricity producing business, and concentrate upon services like that have higher profit margins, such as short-term energy storage. A bit like high-speed trading on the stock market is more profitable than investing in stocks.
Let’s give a few one-liners about nuclear, fossil, solar and wind.
I read Microsoft has contracted a US nuclear power plant to provide electricity for its datacenters. To me, this is wasteful. This is creating radioactive waste in return for clicks. The waste lasts hundreds of thousands of years, the clicks are forgotten in an instant.
If we use fossil fuel, the end result is ash and smoke. Nature knows how to handle ash and smoke. It gets recycled, no sweat.
If we use solar cells, twenty years from now these solar cells will have to be disposed of. Contrary to ash and smoke, nature does not have efficient ways of recycling the exotic sandwich of materials that is a solar cell.
Wind power is interesting, but it is easy to overdo it. I have seen beautiful mountain villages that became a sprawl of windmills. Again, twenty years from now that windmill is history. But the concrete blocks you’ve sunk in the countryside will be there for centuries.
It is hard for me to imagine all this is being done for the environment.
Take a look at the shopping mall you visited. The shopping mall has no windows, so the lights are always on. With the lights on and people inside, the place heats up, so you need air conditioning. With lights and airco always on, electricity consumption is high.
I do not see an easy solution to this. Our economy maximizes profit. Maximizing profit always ends up using a natural resource as fast as possible.
So here’s my prediction: as soon as the Green party is no longer needed in German national politics, Germany will build new coal-powered power plants, and they will have to import the technology from China.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 3 2024 22:07 utc | 39

Israel has started its second genocide in Lebannon. Busy bees they are.

Posted by: a dance | Oct 3 2024 22:16 utc | 40

‘Israel’s aerial campaign in Lebanon is being conducted at an intensity comparable only to the first weeks of its bombardment in Gaza last year, an air warfare expert told CNN.
Emily Tripp, the director of the UK-based aerial warfare monitoring group Airwars, told CNN’s Eleni Giokos that both the Lebanon and Gaza campaigns are occurring at “a level and intensity that Israel’s own allies just simply would not have carried out in the last 20 years.”’
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-attack-war-lebanon-10-03-24-intl-hnk#cm1teia3600003b6m28emeaef

Posted by: a dance | Oct 3 2024 22:20 utc | 41

“What’s to be done? None of us likes turbines, or hydro, and obviously not nuclear either. So how do we get out of this mess?”
“I don’t know — how do we?”
“Whatever the answer is, it absolutely must involve stopping thinking about science as though it were a religion. Once upon a time, the Church would solve the big problems of the day with rogations and novenas and so on. People now trust science in the exact same way. And that’s because we aren’t prepared to give anything up. We need to stop flying, stop consuming such ridiculous quantities of energy. But no, no, people say, anything but that. The solution has to be magical, somehow, and it’s science that’s got to give it to us. There’s no way for us just to face the problems in a realistic way.”
From “Death as told by a sapiens to a neanderthal”, Juan José Millás and Juan Luis Arsuaga

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 3 2024 22:40 utc | 42

Regardless of one’s position on energy, the west has decided the EU doesn’t need Russia oil, but they may want to get their hands on 500k tons of lithium supposedly under the Donbass. I could see a bunch of grifters going all in for something that sells for around 35k per ton, much’o big’o math. Anyways kill a few million grab a few trillion. That’s bidness, eh!
If such is the case, the SMO ain’t over or anywhere near over, may come to a pause (that’ll fucking suck) then back to work, er war, er SMO.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 4 2024 0:54 utc | 43

a dance@40…..that’s what restraint and appeasement gets. The Axis, between them, have 100k plus of missiles and rockets, then like Yemen, they got one off, then got the shit bombed out of them by the Apartheid State. Then Iran fired a paltry 200, I can just imagine what the child murdering scum bags have in store for Iran. They are bombing, at will, South Lebanon, North Lebanon, along the border, South Syria north Syria a few places out towards Iraq. So huge stores of rockets…..don’t achieve much. And what blows my mind RAF bombers molest Yemen, also at will, and that air base in Cyprus hasn’t been touched yet. Fucking shit show.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 4 2024 1:10 utc | 44

Today I just learnt its possible to intercept someone’s phone calls and text messages, bypass two factor authentication, track their location and all you need is their phone number.
Everybody who owns a mobile phone should watch this video:
Exposing The Flaw In Our Phone System
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVyu7NB7W6Y
It really brings to mind Israel’s past attacks and why Hamas’ leader Yahya Sinwar only communicates via couriers. For example even if Iran’s telcos are hostile to Israel, does not let them have backdoor access, as long as Iran’s network uses international roaming, Israel can still use this method to intercept Iranian calls and track people’s whereabouts.

Posted by: Autumn | Oct 4 2024 1:17 utc | 45

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 3 2024 22:07 utc | 39
You are incorrect on solar modules. Currently 90-95% of the materials are recoverable, and that will improve further with time.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Oct 4 2024 1:22 utc | 46

ZH has a posting up with the title
US Port Workers Agree To End Strike After Accepting 62% Wage Increase
the quote

The breakthrough came after port employers offered a 62% increase in wages over six years, the WSJ reported citing people familiar with the matter. The new offer, up from an earlier proposed raise of 50%, came after the White House privately and publicly pressed the large shipping lines and cargo terminal operators who employ the longshore workers to make a new offer to the union.

Can you say runaway inflation? Sure you can! Go ahead, say it.
I was wondering why Boeing workers rejected 30% and I guess I know now.
And in techie world lots of layoffs….but the economy is great/s
The shit show continues until it doesn’t

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 4 2024 1:25 utc | 47

Re: de-dollarization
True; It might take 30-40 years for full de-dollarization to take place. However, the impact of de-dollarization on the Federal Gov‘t will happen much sooner.
I estimate that in 2027, there will be brutal budget cuts because interest rates on federal debt will be so high so as to bust the budget. Even a relatively modest 5% 10-year would stop the war party.
De-dollarizazoon brings peace

Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2024 1:27 utc | 48

Re: Man Made Climate Change ?
Stop driving if you believe in this

Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2024 1:29 utc | 49

At the very outbreak of this latest round of Middle Eastern conflict, I’ve posted something similar to the content below. I hate repeating myself, but I hate seeing the same tired points being continuously re-litigated even more. This doesn’t quite fit the Palestine thread since the topic is global in scope.
The summary is this: Israel is being compared to Nazi Germany not just because of the surface level similarity – its genocidal policies – but also because Israel serves the same purpose as Nazi Germany did, a disposable tool for the West to further its (the capitalists’) interests with plausible deniability. From this perspective, a lot of the so-called “cowardice” in the resistance, like Iran’s restrained retaliation, is much more understandable when you consider historical analogues like the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
Hitler was inspired by America. Manifest Destiny, i.e., the European colonists’ intentional depopulation of the American continent of its native inhabitants, is the model Hitler attempted to replicate. In fact, Hitler thought America was too cruel and sought to be more humane in his quest for exterminating communists, socialists, Slavs, Jews, etc. Hitler’s mistake was designating the European heartland as terra “nullius” for colonization and targeting European Jews who could easily pass as White for extermination, despite his efforts to caricature their physical characteristics. For a very brief moment, a few Europeans with a shred of humanity left in their hearts realized that the horrors of colonialism can be brought home.
European capitalists wanted Hitler and the Soviets to eliminate each other. Without a strong communist nation in the East, quelling the local Western European communists would be easy for the capitalists, as the Western Europeans had already exhibited low revolutionary potential. The capitalists would also have one less fellow competitor (Germany, unlike the other European countries, was late in the landgrab game and had comparatively few overseas colonies). What the capitalists didn’t count on was Hitler being ambitious enough to turn against Western Europe instead of directing his campaigns solely against the East. So, Hitler, like a disobedient dog, had to be put down.
In the Middle East, the localized incarnation of Manifest Destiny is named Zionism. The collective West desperately hopes that every major power in the Global South will battle Israel to the bitter end, while all the West had to do was supply the arms and munitions to Israel. The resulting devastation would mean that the Global South will be depleted of its strength. The collective West will remain untouched. Once the dust has settled, the West can swoop in, grab all the spoils of war, and install puppet regimes.
Israel is the chosen enforcer of Manifest Destiny, with the misfortune of being born too late, after the West has had to put on a very public facade of opposing genocide post-Nazi Germany. Israel’s existence is a contradiction of conducting a genocidal campaign while claiming to be defending itself from genocide. This contradiction didn’t concern the Europeans. Not only did the Europeans succeed in their quest of ridding Europe of Jews (just like kicking Gazans out of Gaza), they also gained an obedient attack dog in a strategic location.
Whether Israel survives or not is immaterial to the West. Getting Israel and the major powers of the Global South to eliminate each other will be ideal. The West can then wash their hands of Israel, claim that they have always condemned Israel, blame the Zionist lobby mind control for making them supply weapons to Israel, and cry crocodile tears over the depopulated Global South (including the Middle East).
You in the West shouldn’t feel too safe just because Israel is geographically distant from America and Europe.
Israel doesn’t have to militarily attack America and Europe. The genocidal policies of Israel – the capitalists will bring them back home to you via an anointed leader, like Hitler. When you loudly proclaim major Global South powers’ restraint as cowardice and say that “they will hang together”, do you think you aren’t among those who will be sacrificed at the altar of capitalism? Maybe it’s because you’re childless and you think that delaying capitalism’s inevitable crisis means that the crisis will only occur after you’re long dead, so it’s no longer your problem.
P/S: For those with reading comprehension problems, this post is not a defense of Hitler’s heinous actions.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 4 2024 1:31 utc | 50

Re: Man Made Climate Change ?
Stop driving if you believe in this
Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2024 1:29 utc | 49
@Exile
I’m a bit confused by your comment. What connection are you trying to make between acknowledging the substantial data and scientific consensus on “man-made climate change” (i.e., anthropogenic climate change) and the idea that believing in it means one must stop driving?
It seems like a leap in logic, as accepting the science doesn’t necessarily imply that one single action is required or sufficient on an individual level. This feels like a non-sequitur to me—could you clarify your reasoning please? (or not, your call)

Posted by: Darma | Oct 4 2024 1:53 utc | 51

@Jon_in_AU
You mentioned that 90-95% of solar module materials are recoverable, but I believe this claim may not be entirely supported by current scientific and engineering data. As the saying goes, “Show me the evidence!”
Also, it would be helpful to clarify if we are talking about materials that are “economically recoverable,” as that makes a significant difference in the practicality of recycling solar modules.
That something is ‘theoretically possible’ does not automatically make it feasible, viable nor practical in the near future.

Posted by: Darma | Oct 4 2024 2:00 utc | 52

It was good to hear Julian Assange speak in Strasbourg. I hope young people can appreciate what he has been through and that he gets back to work soon.
Posted by: General Strike | Oct 3 2024 14:51 utc | 1
Yes it sure was!
A few quotations:
“…When I founded WikiLeaks, it was driven by a simple dream: to educate people about how the world works so that, through understanding, we might bring about something better. Having a map of where we are lets us understand where we might go. Knowledge empowers us to hold power to account and to demand justice where there is none.”
“I want to be totally clear. I am not free today because the system worked. I am free today because after years of incarceration because I plead guilty to journalism. I plead guilty to seeking information from a source. I plead guilty to obtaining information from a source. And I plead guilty to informing the public what that information was. I did not plead guilty to anything else.
“The US Constitution… First Amendment seems pretty black and white to me it’s very short. It says that Congress shall make no law restricting speech or the Press.
“Journalists must be activists for the Truth. Journal journalists must be activists for the ability to convey the truth and that means standing up for each other and making no apologies about it
“Let us stop gagging, torturing, and killing each other for a change. Get these fundamentals right and other political, economic, and scientific processes will have space to take care of the rest.”
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Pace TV’s live streamed recording of the presentation, ie Q/A with Julian Assange (October 1, 2024)
Click here to skip to the part where he starts talking (~18.5 mins into the video):
https://www.youtube.com/live/Mq85IZMeigc?si=4lq15hu-R6cqDrUO&t=1134
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Assange’s full testimony to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE)
Transcript
https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1841064879819555221
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The Truth is the only way that we can get anywhere… any decision-making… based upon lies or ignorance can’t lead to a good conclusion.

Unjust systems… in many places barely have the upper hand, mass leaking leaves them exquisitely vulnerable to those who seek to replace them with more open forms of governance… Fomenting a worldwide movement of Mass Leaking is the most… effective political intervention.

Our No. 1 enemy is ignorance. & I believe that is the No. 1 enemy for everyone — it’s not understanding what actually is going on in the world.
– Julian Assange
1ttps://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Julian_Assange
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“Fundamental Freedoms Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Constitution of the United States
First Amendment to the Bill of Rights
https://www.ushistory.org/documents/amendments.htm#amend01
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Truth is coming & it can’t be stopped.
-Edward Snowden

Posted by: Toby C | Oct 4 2024 2:04 utc | 53

Darma@51…..care to weigh in on the Companies, all LLC, that are being contracted by governments worldwide to modify weather patterns in the atmosphere and what, if any, effect that might have on the Man Made Climate change issue?
And before you toss me a tin foil hat, the LLC, is the key.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 4 2024 2:06 utc | 54

Re: Man Made Climate Change ?
Stop driving if you believe in this
Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2024 1:29 utc | 49

Just because capitalists cynically exploit an issue doesn’t make it fake.
Anthropogenic climate change is real. The drive towards environmentalism and transitioning to renewables in China isn’t just for energy security (reducing dependency on oil). It’s from a sincere belief that climate change would devastate China and the rest of the world. Xi Jinping said “clear waters and green mountains are as valuable as gold and silver mountains”. Look up how many cities in China would be flooded if sea levels rise. The capitalists championed this issue when Western countries had the lead in environmental tech, but they started sowing doubts the moment China won the electric vehicle race.
COVID is real and has long-term damaging consequences if it doesn’t kill you in the first few infections. China was forced to open up after compradors flouting rules and protesting made lockdown impossible to maintain. The capitalists seek to pretend that it’s a non-issue because they want you to go out there and keep working and spending. Those commercial real estate values need to be protected too, hence the return-to-office mandates.
COVID vaccines, including the MRNA ones, are effective in reducing immediate harm, but not in fully mitigating long-term health problems caused by the virus (I emphasize: caused by the virus, not the vaccine). There are side effects from the vaccines regardless of the tech used, but they are minimal and the number of people who suffer the most severe forms are minuscule when compared to those affected by the virus. The capitalists play multiple sides: they promote the vaccine as all powerful, they castigate the vaccine as ineffectual, and they blame the vaccines for the health problems caused by the virus. The motivations are simple:
– If the vaccine is all powerful, then you won’t have an excuse not to turn up for work for fear of being infected by coworkers.
– If the vaccine is ineffectual, then your chances of getting health complications will rise with every infection. Vaccines are comparatively cheap compared to the profits that could be made in treating someone with long-term health issues.
– If the vaccines are falsely blamed as the source of your health problems, then you won’t blame the virus and demand for better protection from an airborne virus like better ventilation and effective masks. FYI, air in pig farms are filtered to reduce sickness, but I guess human lives are worth less than pigs.
LGBT and other sexual identities are real. The Chinese government’s policy is to neither clamp down on it nor promote it. It’s simply a private matter, like religion. Look up Jin Xing, the transgender Chinese celeb. The capitalists seek to make this identity issue an all-encompassing issue because it keeps people from focusing on the class struggle. A transgender general from the US ordering a drone to bomb Muslims doesn’t make it okay. An identity issue cannot subsume the class struggle.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 4 2024 2:09 utc | 55

@Passerby | Oct 3 2024 22:40 utc | 42
You make an important point. Myths and misconceptions are certainly widespread today. Among them, I find that the unwavering belief in achieving Net Zero by 2050, combined with Zero Emissions Commitments (ZEC), can sometimes be overly optimistic—especially when it comes to feasibility. Similarly, the notion of a 100% wind, water, and solar (WWS) energy system replacing all fossil fuels, as suggested by Mark Z. Jacobson, might overlook some practical challenges.
For reference: 100% clean and renewable wind, water, and sunlight (WWS) all-sector energy roadmaps for the 50 United States
https://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/USStatesWWS.pdf
I think it’s important to discuss both the potential and the limits of these ambitious ideas with an open but critical mind. Which is exactly what is most missing today. Narrow minded beliefs and unfounded opinion rule instead.

Posted by: Darma | Oct 4 2024 2:17 utc | 56

If they want the lithium under the Donbass,can’t they just buy it? Why do they need to steal it? Isn’t buying it capitalism?

Posted by: Lysias | Oct 4 2024 2:21 utc | 57

And before you toss me a tin foil hat, the LLC, is the key.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 4 2024 2:06 utc | 54
I believe the onus is first upon you to be very specific and provide references to your claim(s). I have no opinion about a ‘nothing’ assertion. Perhaps you are already wearing that tin foil hat. Check the mirror? 🙂

Posted by: Darma | Oct 4 2024 2:22 utc | 58

If they want the lithium under the Donbass,can’t they just buy it? Why do they need to steal it? Isn’t buying it capitalism?
Posted by: Lysias | Oct 4 2024 2:21 utc | 57
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No, that’s the (largely fictional) “free market” — but I suspect you knew that. 😉

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 4 2024 2:23 utc | 59

Isn’t buying it capitalism?
Posted by: Lysias | Oct 4 2024 2:21 utc | 57
No, it’s called shopping. Sometimes commerce or trading. The prevailing Political Economy in my view is irrelevant.

Posted by: Darma | Oct 4 2024 2:26 utc | 60

@Toby C
Truth is coming & it can’t be stopped.
-Edward Snowden
Oh yes it can. It has been ‘stopped’ before. It is being ‘stopped’ right now. And will continue to be blocked at every opportunity. Same as this unfounded Hopium meme is not Truth.

Posted by: Darma | Oct 4 2024 2:33 utc | 61

Mass Motoring = 40% of CO2 emissions
Roughly 30% from tailpipe and 10% from manufacturing of the vehicles
(BEVs do not solve this because of massive increase in manufacturing emissions from BEV production)
Stop driving and you essentially 1/2 CO2 emissions

Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2024 2:48 utc | 62

This scientist also thinks that current plans to counter the climate catastrophe are unrealistic.
Because they don’t really take the problem seriously…
@Jo-Oh | Oct 3 2024 21:50 utc | 37
I agree with Sabine and with you.
Dr. James Hansen, former NASA scientist and prominent climate expert, is also critical of the current, overly conservative approach to assessing how severe the situation is and what needs to be done. Many, like myself, feel that the underlying issue is our long-term reliance on cheap, abundant energy, which has fueled unsustainable economic activity and consumption. This has, in turn, driven rapid population growth, soon expected to reach 9 billion by 2040.
Unfortunately, it seems the solution may come from the consequences of inaction: catastrophic climate impacts combined with widespread economic collapse. Humanity will likely endure, but in a very different form from the unsustainable reality we face today.

Posted by: Darma | Oct 4 2024 2:50 utc | 63

Mass Motoring = 40% of CO2 emissions
Stop driving and you essentially 1/2 CO2 emissions
@Exile | Oct 4 2024 2:48 utc | 62
I believe both of those claims are inaccurate. Could you please share the sources of data you’re using to support them? It would help clarify whether these figures are correct or if there might be some misunderstanding.

Posted by: Darma | Oct 4 2024 3:09 utc | 64

Stop driving and you essentially 1/2 CO2 emissions
Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2024 2:48 utc | 62
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Yes, this is one of your obsessive themes.
Kinda ignores the difference between a hybrid, a Hummer, and a coal roller, to say nothing of a semi.
And what about that other half of personal emissions? Why not decry that?
What you’re ultimately getting at is: If you believe in anthropogenic climate change, kill yourself.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 4 2024 3:16 utc | 65

Random
The Modern Day Lobotomy
https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/the-modern-day-lobotomy

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Oct 4 2024 3:19 utc | 66

@Toby C
Truth is coming & it can’t be stopped.
-Edward Snowden
Oh yes it can. It has been ‘stopped’ before. It is being ‘stopped’ right now. And will continue to be blocked at every opportunity. Same as this unfounded Hopium meme is not Truth.
Posted by: Darma | Oct 4 2024 2:33 utc | 61
Darma: Semantics. From a deep perspective, It is a truism to state that Truth can be delayed, but it CANNOT be stopped.

Lack of knowledge concerning all the factors & the failure to include them in our integral imposes false conclusions.
– Buckminster Fuller
Truth like the sun, submits to be obscured; but like the sun, only for a time.
– Bovee

Posted by: Toby C | Oct 4 2024 3:49 utc | 67

I am pretty certain the poor bastards getting bombed back into the stone age by the genocidal Israeli cunts are not in the least bit worried about CO2 emissions or the crap being dribbled by the idiots here about them.

Posted by: eagle eye | Oct 4 2024 4:10 utc | 68

Sputnik International, 1.110.2024.
Full article: “China Developed AI Model With Trillion Parameters on Own Chips.”
“Chinese telecommunications giant China Telecom has developed two large AI language models using chips of its own production, one of them with 1 trillion parameters…The number of parameters involved in the training process determines the complexity and efficiency of AI models.”
What are “parameters?
How does this compare to the US?
Is this technology shared with Russia?
Any info greatly appreciated.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20241001/china-developed-ai-model-with-trillion-parameters-on-own-chips—reports-1120368696.html

Posted by: horseguards | Oct 4 2024 4:12 utc | 69

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 3 2024 17:55 utc | 16
Bunter Johnson, Captain Snort and Pippin Fort strike again. The Dutch should install Iranian sailors and Libyan farmers to guard against a British special forces incursion. Shower of fuckin’ wankers.

Posted by: horseguards | Oct 4 2024 4:27 utc | 70

Rhymerez@1730
Quite right in your second paragraph v the tripartite control nexus.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 4 2024 4:58 utc | 71

Currently 90-95% of the materials are recoverable, and that will improve further with time.
Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Oct 4 2024 1:22 utc | 46
A riddle. You go into a clothes shop, and see two shirts. One shirt says “90% recycled”, the other says “90% recyclable”. Which of the two shirts is made with 100% new material?

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 4 2024 5:00 utc | 72

@50 All Under Heaven
Postagens como a sua é que fazem valer a pena ler o tópico nem-nem do MoA.
Obrigado.

Posted by: Soviético | Oct 4 2024 6:18 utc | 73

@55
Idem.

Posted by: Soviético | Oct 4 2024 6:24 utc | 74

@Jo-Oh | Oct 3 2024 20:56 utc | 36
I suspect they’re now well aware of the tariffs being placed on China, which will affect the pricing of EV batteries, solar panels, and wind power in the EU, US, and other regions. With decreasing use of fossil fuels and rising costs as oil and gas supplies tighten, the manufacturing of “currently cheap” renewable energy products in China and elsewhere will likely become more expensive over time.
This trend will drive up costs across many sectors, adding pressure to already struggling industries—like those in Germany. The situation in the EU regarding energy needs, access to essential fossil fuels, plastics, and renewable energy infrastructure from China isn’t looking promising.
Regarding the recycling of renewable energy components, it’s far from assured. Credible reports have shown that rooftop solar components can fail after around eight years, and replacement isn’t always straightforward, as components may become obsolete. So, the notion of a 20-year lifetime for solar PV systems is possible but not guaranteed—it often remains a hypothetical at best.
Promises made at the point of sale aren’t always fulfilled, regardless of the product.
…………………
@passerby | Oct 3 2024 22:40 utc | 39
1 “I read Microsoft has contracted a US nuclear power plant to provide electricity for its datacenters.”
Yes, though at a high cost—around $100 per megawatt-hour—even if it’s reliable.
2 “FF smoke and ash – It gets recycled, no sweat.”
Does this mean you don’t see any issue with CO2 and other emissions driving climate change? Those emissions are a significant concern.
3 “So here’s my prediction: as soon as the Green party is no longer needed in German national politics, Germany will build new coal-powered power plants, and they will have to import the technology from China.”
If not coal, perhaps a return to mega imports of gas from Russia—ROFL.
Time will eventually make all these things clearer for us all.

Posted by: Darma | Oct 4 2024 7:10 utc | 75

A story in the mail about the true damage of Iran’s revenge attack on US Al Asad Airbase in Iraq (2020) is on the DAily Mail site from yesterday.

Eleven warheads, each weighing about 1,600 lbs, struck the air base. Alan Johnson, a retired flight surgeon, who was stationed at Al Asad at the time of the strike, told me, ‘None of us really should have survived and we weren’t expected to survive.’

The January 15 date confirms that the soil sample was taken by US Army investigators seven days after Iran’s attack. The chart shows 19 materials, including radioactive elements and heavy metals, were detected in the sample.

Olli Heinonen, who served for 27 years at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said the mix of toxic agents is potentially concerning and the presence of radioactive elements stood out to him. However, he warned that he cannot yet conclusively say if radioactive elements were introduced by the Iranian strike or were present at the Al Asad base before the attack. ‘Uranium, which in nature contains Bismuth-214 [a radioactive isotype], was used in the Middle East during the Gulf War in warheads,’ Heinonen explained.

Link
Seems like the US were keeping dirty bombs or materials for such on their bases – for distribution to who knows which proxies.

Posted by: UK Defektor | Oct 4 2024 7:12 utc | 76

Typical of the hubris of our times
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/10/3/in-south-sudan-hunger-complicates-plans-to-end-wildlife-poaching

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 4 2024 7:56 utc | 77

Houthis hit another British registered oil tanker in the Red Sea. Sea drone.
https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1841931954846924875

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 4 2024 9:08 utc | 78

“If they want the lithium under the Donbass,can’t they just buy it? Why do they need to steal it? Isn’t buying it capitalism?
Posted by: Lysias | Oct 4 2024 2:21 utc | 57”
Avarice. They think it is cheaper to steal it than buy it. And for them it is, since they privatize the gains & socialize (in both blood & treasure) the losses.
I have recently experienced this concept locally.

Posted by: Mary | Oct 4 2024 9:33 utc | 79

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 4 2024 7:56 utc | 77
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Well ain’t that a no shit headline. Don’t they have proof-readers?
People hunt when they’re hungry, who’ve think it…

Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 4 2024 10:09 utc | 80

Udkanten | Oct 3 2024 17:49 utc | 14
The sabotage comitted by some visible American vessels that have only turned off their transponders? The CIA with its insistance on “plausible deniability” relying on the silence of a harbor master who witnessed the ships’ presence?
Hard to believe. The Seymour Hersh version is much more plausible, because it contains a method of hiding America’s role in a more professional way: trigger the explosions by an acustic signal months after the explosives have been deployed. The acustic signal is emitted by a buoy that is airdropped near the explosion sites. Thus, the only objects which might be detected on the site are the Norwegian plane which dropped the buoy, and the buoy itself.

Posted by: grunzt | Oct 4 2024 10:23 utc | 81

At the end of the week in review open thread, I posted about an X post by Mike Mihajlovic, which discusses that bomb that may have landed on something in Vovochansk, Kharkiv region. Based on matching photos in two media outlets where I look for leaks from MI6 (or somewhere in the UK), I believe something terrorist in Kosovo actually got exploded.
Canada’s satirical news site, The Beaverton: International Court of Justice rules that Israel must bomb civilians more humanely (it’s a repost)
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2024/01/international-court-of-justice-rules-that-israel-must-bomb-civilians-more-humanely/
From the Daily Mail: Terrifying video shows huge mushroom cloud explosion in Ukraine (terrorist trainees and mushrooms, right? “I like the way you kiss me…” see video)
Original post by Mihajlovic: https://x.com/MihajlovicMike/status/1841242464213987614

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 4 2024 10:26 utc | 82

…… Yemen hit another British registered oil tanker in the Red Sea. Sea drone.
https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1841931954846924875
Posted by: unimperator
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Video suggested tanker was empty. I think empty is more explosive than full .
A buddy of mine was a anti-terror security consultant for a rather large west coast harbor. He hinted that a specific type of hit on a Oil Tanker would cause a explosion equal to a small nuke.
Any Barflies confirm ?

Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2024 10:27 utc | 83

A riddle. You go into a clothes shop, and see two shirts. One shirt says “90% recycled”, the other says “90% recyclable”. Which of the two shirts is made with 100% new material?
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 4 2024 5:00 utc | 72
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Quite possibly both of them. Manufacturers frequently make fraudulent claims about their products.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 4 2024 11:26 utc | 84

“I am pretty certain the poor bastards getting bombed back into the stone age by the genocidal Israeli cunts are not in the least bit worried about CO2 emissions or the crap being dribbled by the idiots here about them.”
Posted by: eagle eye | Oct 4 2024 4:10 utc | 68
Kindly please follow Gentleman protocol and not calls any man the ‘c’ word; it is reserved , exclusively, for people who possess a vagina.
Thanks.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 4 2024 11:28 utc | 85

“Stop driving and you essentially 1/2 CO2 emissions”
Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2024 2:48 utc | 62
You are way off base.
CO2 is good for humans, plants and animals. When co2 is low humans, plants, animals starve:
“Green plants grow faster with more CO2 . Many also become more drought resistant because higher CO2
levels allow plants to use water more efficiently. More abundant vegetation from increased CO2
is already apparent. Satellite images reveal significant greening of the planet in recent decades,
especially at desert margins, where drought resistance is critical. This remarkable planetary greening
is the result of a mere 30% increase of CO2 from its preindustrial levels. Still higher CO2
levels will bring still more benefits to agriculture. Plants use energy from sunlight to fuse a
molecule of CO2 to a molecule of water,H2O, to form carbohydrates. One molecule of oxygen O2
is released to the air for each CO2 molecule removed.
Biological machinery of plants reworks the carbohydrate polymers into proteins, oils and other
molecules of life. Every living creature, from the blooming rose, to the newborn baby, is made of carbon
from former atmospheric CO2 molecules. Long-dead plants used CO2 from ancient atmospheres to produce
most of the fossil fuels, coal, oil, and natural gas that have transformed the life of most humans –
moving from drudgery and near starvation before the industrial revolution to the rising potential for abundance today.
The fraction of the beneficial molecule CO2 in the current atmosphere is tiny, about 0.04% by volume.
This level is about 30% larger than pre-industrial levels in 1800. But today’s levels are still much smaller than
the levels, 0.20% or more, that prevailed over much of geological history. CO2 levels during the past tens of millions
of years have been much closer to starvation levels, 0.015%, when many plants die, than to the much higher levels
that most plants prefer.
Basic physics implies that more atmospheric CO2 will increase greenhouse
warming. However, atmospheric processes are so complicated that the amount of
warming cannot be reliably predicted from first principles. Recent observations of
the atmosphere and oceans, together with geological history, point to very modest
warming, about 1 C (1.8 F) if atmospheric CO2 levels are doubled.
Observations also show no significant change in extreme weather, tornadoes,
hurricanes, floods, or droughts. Sea levels are rising at about the same rate as in
centuries past. A few degrees of warming will have many benefits, longer growing
seasons and less winter heating expenses. And this will be in addition to major
benefits to agriculture.
More CO2 in the atmosphere is not an unprecedented experiment with an
unpredictable outcome. The Earth has done the experiment many times in the
geological past. Life flourished abundantly on land and in the oceans at much larger
CO2 levels than those today. Responsible use of fossil fuels, with cost-effective
control of genuine pollutants like fly ash or oxides of sulfur and nitrogen, will be a
major benefit for the world.” (1)
1.https://www.commerce.senate.gov/services/files/FC7C4946-11A3-4967-BF28-8D0386608D3E

Posted by: canuck | Oct 4 2024 11:35 utc | 86

“What you’re ultimately getting at is: If you believe in anthropogenic climate change, kill yourself.”
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 4 2024 3:16 utc | 65
You and I are on the same page when it comes down to the farcical idea of, Anthropogenic Climate Change’.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 4 2024 11:38 utc | 87

Posted by: canuck | Oct 4 2024 11:28 utc | 85
Kindly stop trying to correct people about that. It’s infantile and tiresome.
You have no standing to do that, especially so given your own vulgarity.
And further, who are you to decide that the vulgar term is ever proper?

Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 4 2024 11:41 utc | 88

You and I are on the same page when it comes down to the farcical idea of, Anthropogenic Climate Change’.
Posted by: canuck | Oct 4 2024 11:38 utc | 87
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I was pointing out the absurdity of Exile’s “argument”, not making a claim one way or another regarding anthropogenic climate change.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 4 2024 11:51 utc | 89

“I read Microsoft has contracted a US nuclear power plant to provide electricity for its datacenters. To me, this is wasteful. This is creating radioactive waste in return for clicks. The waste lasts hundreds of thousands of years, the clicks are forgotten in an instant.”
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 3 2024 22:07 utc | 39
Nuclear energy is the fuel of the future but not through uranium; it is thorium.(1)(2)
Thorium is preferred because it is 300% more available than uranium in the earth; it has a 30% greater yield (power generated)and it cannot be made into nuclear weapons.
Scientists knew this in the 40’s but they wanted bombs.
1. “What can thorium offer? Thorium boasts several advantages over the conventional nuclear fuel, uranium-235. Thorium can generate more fissile material (uranium-233) than it consumes while fueling a water cooled or molten salt reactor, and it generates fewer long-lived minor actinides than plutonium fuels.”
2. Benefits
Abundance. Thorium is three times as abundant as uranium and nearly as abundant as lead and gallium in the Earth’s crust.[22] The Thorium Energy Alliance estimates “there is enough thorium in the United States alone to power the country at its current energy level for over 1,000 years.”[23][22] “America has buried tons as a by-product of rare earth metals mining”, notes Evans-Pritchard.[24] Almost all thorium is fertile Th-232, compared to uranium that is composed of 99.3% fertile U-238 and 0.7% more valuable fissile U-235.
Less suitable for bombs. It is difficult to make a practical nuclear bomb from a thorium reactor’s by-products, allowing governments to potentially pursue further nuclear power without worsening nuclear arms proliferation. Thorium is not fissile like uranium, so packed thorium nuclei will not begin to split apart and explode. However the uranium-233 used in the cycle is fissile and hence can be used to create a nuclear weapon- though plutonium production is reduced. According to Alvin Radkowsky, designer of the world’s first full-scale atomic electric power plant, “a thorium reactor’s plutonium production rate would be less than 2 percent of that of a standard reactor, and the plutonium’s isotopic content would make it unsuitable for a nuclear detonation.”[19]: 11 [25] Several uranium-233 bombs have been tested, but the presence of uranium-232 tended to “poison” the uranium-233 in two ways: intense radiation from the uranium-232 made the material difficult to handle, and the uranium-232 led to possible pre-detonation. Separating the uranium-232 from the uranium-233 proved very difficult, although newer laser isotope separation techniques could facilitate that process.[26][27]
Less nuclear waste. There is much less nuclear waste when thorium is used as a fuel in a liquid fluoride thorium reactor—up to two orders of magnitude less, state Moir and Teller,[1] eliminating the need for large-scale or long-term storage;[19]: 13  “Chinese scientists claim that hazardous waste will be a thousand times less than with uranium.”[28] The radioactivity of the resulting waste also drops down to safe levels after just one or a few hundred years, compared to tens of thousands of years needed for current nuclear waste to cool off.[29] However, the production of activation products and fission products is broadly similar between thorium and uranium based fuel cycles.
Fewer reaction startup ingredients. According to Moir and Teller, “once started up [, a breeding reactor] needs no other fuel except thorium because [a breeding reactor] makes most or all of its own fuel.”[1] Breeding reactors produce at least as much fissile material as they consume. Non-breeding reactors, on the other hand, require additional fissile material, such as uranium-235 or plutonium to sustain the reaction.
Harvesting weapons-grade plutonium. The thorium fuel cycle is a potential way to produce long term nuclear energy with low radio-toxicity waste. In addition, the transition to thorium could be done through the incineration of weapons grade plutonium (WPu) or civilian plutonium.[30]
No enrichment necessary. Since all natural thorium can be used as fuel, no expensive fuel enrichment is needed.[29] However the same is true for U-238, as fertile fuel in the uranium-plutonium cycle.
Efficiency. Comparing the amount of thorium needed with coal, Nobel laureate Carlo Rubbia of CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research), estimates that one ton of thorium can produce as much energy as 200 tons of uranium, or 3,500,000 tons of coal.[24]
Failsafe measures. Liquid fluoride thorium reactors are designed to be meltdown proof. A fusible plug at the bottom of the reactor melts in the event of a power failure or if temperatures exceed a set limit, draining the fuel into an underground tank for safe storage.[31]
Mining. Mining thorium is safer and more efficient than mining uranium. Thorium’s ore, monazite, generally contains higher concentrations of thorium than the percentage of uranium found in its respective ore. This makes thorium a more cost efficient and less environmentally damaging fuel source. Thorium mining is also easier and less dangerous than uranium mining, as the mine is an open pit—which requires no ventilation, unlike underground uranium mines, where radon levels can be potentially harmful.[32]

Posted by: canuck | Oct 4 2024 11:56 utc | 90

“You and I are on the same page when it comes down to the farcical idea of, Anthropogenic Climate Change’.”
Posted by: canuck | Oct 4 2024 11:38 utc | 87
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“I was pointing out the absurdity of Exile’s “argument”, not making a claim one way or another regarding anthropogenic climate change.”
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 4 2024 11:51 utc | 89
Well , listen carefully-“there is no such thing as Anthropogenic Climate Change.” Not here, not in the Universe!!!
It is quite unfortunate that smart people ,like many posters poster here, drink so overmuch of the WEF/Empire propaganda.
The irony!!!

Posted by: canuck | Oct 4 2024 12:07 utc | 91

Time will eventually make all these things clearer for us all.
Posted by: Darma | Oct 4 2024 7:10 utc | 75
I wished to contrast nature’s recycling of smoke (CO2) with human recycling of solar panels.
Unless solar cells contain precious metals, the company that made them will not be interested in recycling.
But after a few hundred of millions of years, I am fairly confident nature is able to handle the odd surge in smoke and ash. Where I live there used to be glaciers during the ice age, and large animals during hotter periods. This means nature does not guarantee stable temperature or survival of species. It is better to behave responsibly. To me this means adapting to climate change, and moderate energy use.
Now, our government routinely invades and tries to overthrow governments of countries that export oil and natural gas. Allow me disbelief when the same government says fossil fuels are on the way out.
In general, when a real disaster occurs, government tries to avoid a panic. An authoritative figure will say calming words: everything is under control, government has every angle covered, and we should continue business as usual. That is the textbook response when things are getting out of hand.
When government actively says disaster is near unless you do as they say, it is more a sign of wishing to mold the public for their own aims.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 4 2024 12:14 utc | 92

An oft-quoted statistic is that an F-35 burns 22 gallons of jet fuel a minute. Wonder how much pollution Israel has emitted by its bombing raids?
Is there a Green Party in Israel?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 4 2024 12:22 utc | 93

@sean the leprechaun | Fri, 04 Oct 2024 01:10:00 GMT | 44

that’s what restraint and appeasement gets. The Axis, between them, have 100k plus of missiles and rockets […] Fucking shit show.

These arsenals is what makes Israel go mad enough to try and enter Lebanon, going up against Hezbullah on their own front lawn, knowing full well how this worked out last time around.
The situation against Iran is alike. As was pointed out here recently, the enrichment program makes no real sense other than gaining nuclear capability. The delivery vehicles are there already, now tried and tested. Before long the zionists will be sacked strategically, and they know it. They are being deprived of workable solutions regarding their military posture. Hence the desperation to try and get away with the remaining bad options. It’s only proactive if you’ve figured in the arsenals already.

Posted by: persiflo | Oct 4 2024 12:24 utc | 94

Starmztrooper Watch.
In disregarding his central role in making Julian Assange the greatest political prisoner this century in the heart of London – as declared by the European Parliament – our PM the Great Knight Dope, Surrkeev , has now decreed that the U.K. is going full on Carbon neutral – NOT.
Kick the suckers that believed in NewNuLabInc as they blink that things are getting worse NOT better after 15 years of Tory rule – good.
Fracking Hell comes next, even as he fast tracks US Pharma Medical Industrial Complex upon the previously world reading National Health Service – turning us all into USAsians who have to live in a dog eat dog , beggar my neighbour, unfit human animals.
The lights are going out all over Lesser Britannia as the ziofascists lead us to the fabled Garden …

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 4 2024 13:20 utc | 95

„If you believe….“
Key phrase in my argument 🤣

Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2024 13:28 utc | 96

Posted by: canuck | Oct 4 2024 11:56 utc | 90
I knew some nuclear scientists in the 60s who said the only reason we didn’t have thorium reactors was that they didn’t produce weapons-grade material for hydrogen bombs as a by-product. In all other ways thorium was superior. Basically, electricity was a by-product of uranium reactors, not the primary product.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 4 2024 13:31 utc | 97

“Posted by: canuck | Oct 4 2024 11:56 utc | 90
I knew some nuclear scientists in the 60s who said the only reason we didn’t have thorium reactors was that they didn’t produce weapons-grade material for hydrogen bombs as a by-product. In all other ways thorium was superior. Basically, electricity was a by-product of uranium reactors, not the primary product.”
Posted by: Honzo | Oct 4 2024 13:31 utc | 97
Yes, I talked to nuclear scientists as well on the topic and got the same response.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 4 2024 13:38 utc | 98

LGBT and other sexual identities are real. The Chinese government’s policy is to neither clamp down on it nor promote it. It’s simply a private matter, like religion. Look up Jin Xing, the transgender Chinese celeb. The capitalists seek to make this identity issue an all-encompassing issue because it keeps people from focusing on the class struggle. A transgender general from the US ordering a drone to bomb Muslims doesn’t make it okay. An identity issue cannot subsume the class struggle.
Posted by: All Under Heaven | Oct 4 2024 2:09 utc | 55
Define ‘real’. If you believe that ‘feeling like a woman’ makes a man a woman, then why not say that ‘feeling like a billionaire’ makes a person a billionaire? Does feeling smart make you smart?
Mao said, “Where do correct ideas come from? Do they fall from the sky? No, they come from practice.” Where does ‘gender identity’ come from? From the CIA.

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 4 2024 13:48 utc | 99

10 year treasury at 3,94% ??????
Barflies any insights pluz

Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2024 13:58 utc | 100