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No Foreign Warplanes Have Entered The Skies Over Tehran
I, like others, do not know what exactly happened during the recent Israeli air attack attack on Iran.
I do know however that this, as claimed by the Washington Post, did not happen at all.
What visuals reveal about the impact of Israeli strikes on Iran
Satellite imagery analyzed by The Washington Post shows damage to two air defense installations and at least three sites associated with missile production.
The Israeli attacks — which saw foreign warplanes in the skies over Tehran for the first time since the Iran-Iraq war — showcased the depths of Iran’s vulnerability after a string of recent setbacks.
No foreign warplanes entered the skies over Tehran.
Israeli pilots will not dare to enter a well defended Iranian airspace.
They attacked Iran from the U.S. controlled air spaces of Syria, Iraq and Jordan with long range air-launched missiles.
We know this because the booster parts of those missiles fell within Iraq:
Images and videos on social media from Iraq appear to show booster sections of missiles used by Israel in its overnight strikes on Iran.
The fragments of the missiles appear to have fallen in an area north of Baghdad.
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Israeli jets conducted strikes on military targets throughout the Islamic Republic in retaliation for Tehran’s ballistic missile barrage on the country earlier this month.
Iraq has lodged an official protest note with the United Nations about the abuse of its airspace by Israeli warplanes.
The Defense Minister of Iran has confirmed that no Israeli fighter jets had entered Iranian airspace.
There were eye witness reports from Iran which described an attack on a industrial building as having come from cruise missile like drones in a northern to southern direction. This would be consistent with drones launched by Israeli (proxy?) forces from Azerbaijan.
In total the outcome of the attack seems to have been minor. An old HAWK anti-air missile site seems to have been destroyed. A S-300 air defense site showed some signs of disturbances but those might have been caused by the launch of its missiles. Three industrial buildings, allegedly used for solid fuel missile motor production, have been hit. But there have been no reports of secondary explosions at those sites which one would expect if fuel had been hit.
The Israeli attack thus ended up to be, intentionally or not, a minor affair.
@ Bemildred | Oct 30 2024 18:59 utc | 67
Relevant trivia … Israel co-designed their Jericho 2 IRBM’s’s with pre ’79 … Pahlavi Iran. Possibly up to ~100. They have very few Jericho 3’s, less than ~10 ? Which are in reality, the first two stages adapted from their sat launch platform systems. Just sayin’.
@ Ed4 | Oct 30 2024 17:26 utc | 51
Not one of your TwatterX refs contains any substance, other than the word, ‘Hawk’, not one. And yer serial edited quotes, including no content post refs, par for the course. Substantiated, bubkiss, merely wasted text. You falsified the post refs … true to form … so said Ed4.
2022 content, most relevant, November 11, 2022, Si tacuisses, … Outraged | Nov 12 2022 4:13 utc | 417, re shipped to The Borderlands:
MIM-23s are all ‘are different generations and designs’. To the best of my knowledge the other than the missiles, the AD systems comprising the battery are at best 1971 vintage tech, no subsequent upgrades, the missiles themselves were last through a Bloc upgrade 1978. Extremely unlikely any were manufactured later then ~1982 as they were scheduled for retirement/replacement, the only reason they were last in service with the Marines in 2002 before being mothballed, is, alas, the Marine Corps pretty much always gets last dibs, and hand-me-downs re materiel.
In effect, no matter where the MIM-23s are sourced from, Stateside War reserve obsolete stocks, or Spain/Italy/Norway, they will all be ’71-’78 vintage, or older !
The detection & targeting/engagement radars, and the active homing radar on the actual Hawk missile itself, would have little prospect of even detecting, let alone successfully targeting & tracking, small semi Stealth drones like RF Gerans, similarly Lancets, etc, as well as modern low flying cruise missiles. UAF has had extreme difficulty successfully engaging with ex soviet S300Ps, BUKs and OSAs, so MIM-23s, nah.
US/NATO forces have an assumptive Doctrine that they will always be operating under at least local air supremacy(1), and typically with theater Air Dominance(2) going back many decades. This is not the case with Ukraine, nor would it be the case if US/NATO entered the fray.
Russian and to a lesser extent Chinese, integrated, overlapping short, medium & long-range tactical, operational & strategic AD systems area coverage, are a ‘Dead Zone’.
This has led to a situ where all US/NATO doctrine, training and planning(operational & strategic) as well as fielded combat systems & materiel, is assumptive by default re 1 & 2. Apart from the fact most western AD systems are an afterthought & low priority, low quantity, again because of 1 & 2, they are also not much ‘chop’. If anyone can actually provide verified corroborated proof a Multi-million Patriot battery has ever successfully engaged and hit anything in actual combat other than a discarded missile booster, I would love to hear it. Empire got very cranky with SA recently for pulling on the leash and threatened and then removed their Patriots from the Kingdom. SA response ? Ho-hum.
This then leads to a wider issue, what happens if Empire ever enters into conventional conflict with either RF or PLA, or god forbid both ?
No air superiority/supremacy. Little effective actual AD for Empire ground combat formations, and worst of all, on call tactical air-support won’t be there re doctrine, planning and training. Oops.
Empire combat formations Battalion, Regiment, Brigade up have minimal integral AD(IIRC). Other than stingers, including vehicle mounted, which have already been proven far less effective in Ukraine than the RF Iglas. See 1 & 2.
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PS There is one derivative MIM-23 Hawk AD system that has been repeatedly redesigned, re-engineered & upgraded since 1979, including advanced doppler & targeting/engagement radars, missiles & engines, seekers & warheads, however one seriously doubts Iran will be willing to sell any to Ukraine or Empire … the desperate military necessity of Iran-Contra re Iran-Iraq war ’80-88 is long past. 😉
Yer just as habitually intentionally disingenuous as you are an inveterate time-waster/disinfo/fabricator. Would you like some FreeDUMB Fries with that ?
Posted by: Outraged | Oct 30 2024 20:04 utc | 78
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