Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 29, 2024
How Media Continue To Discredit Themselves

Do they not understand how boring this nonsense is?

How Russia, China and Iran Are Interfering in the Presidential Election (archived) – New York Times
Eight years after Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election, foreign influence with American voters has grown more sophisticated. That could have outsize consequences in the 2024 race.

Written by three 'journalists' and published at the top of the NYT's homepage the intro reads:

When Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, spreading divisive and inflammatory posts online to stoke outrage, its posts were brash and riddled with spelling errors and strange syntax. They were designed to get attention by any means necessary.

“Hillary is a Satan,” one Russian-made Facebook post read.

Posts like that 'one Russian-made Facebook post' (seen by how many?) 'interfered' in the 2016 election and were the reason for Hillery's loss?

Now, eight years later, foreign interference in American elections has become far more sophisticated, and far more difficult to track.

Disinformation from abroad — particularly from Russia, China and Iran — has matured into a consistent and pernicious threat, as the countries test, iterate and deploy increasingly nuanced tactics, according to U.S. intelligence and defense officials, tech companies and academic researchers. The ability to sway even a small pocket of Americans could have outsize consequences for the presidential election, which polls generally consider a neck-and-neck race.

U.S. presidential election campaigns spend billions of dollars on fine tuned advertisements aimed at carefully targeted micro-audiences. It isn't even plausible that social media posts by this or that foreign actor could have comparable effects.

Russia, according to American intelligence assessments, aims to bolster the candidacy of former President Donald J. Trump, while Iran favors his opponent, Vice President Kamala Harris. China appears to have no preferred outcome.

Should we not be especially afraid of the 'sophisticated' and 'difficult to track' foreign interference by China because it has no preferred outcome?

Here is the NYT's example for it:

This year, a deepfake video of a Republican congressman from Virginia circulated on TikTok, accompanied by a Chinese caption falsely claiming that the politician was soliciting votes for a critic of Beijing who sought (and later won) the Taiwanese presidency.

How could a fake video of a Republican congressman with Chinese caption that was used to discredit a Taiwanese politician influence a U.S. election in which China has 'no preferred outcome'? What is the logic therein?

I have no idea. Nor has the New York Times. It just claims that it does.

Whoever works in western media which carries nonsense like the above should contemplate how much they are contributing to this:

For the third consecutive year, more U.S. adults have no trust at all in the media (36%) than trust it a great deal or fair amount. Another 33% of Americans express “not very much” confidence.

Comments

The moment we no longer have a free press, anything can happen. What makes it possible for a totalitarian or any other dictatorship to rule is that people are not informed; how can you have an opinion if you are not informed? If everybody always lies to you, the consequence is not that you believe the lies, but rather that nobody believes anything any longer. This is because lies, by their very nature, have to be changed, and a lying government has constantly to rewrite its own history. On the receiving end you get not only one lie — a lie which you could go on for the rest of your days — but you get a great number of lies, depending on how the political wind blows. And a people that no longer can believe anything cannot make up its mind. It is deprived not only of its capacity to act but also of its capacity to think and to judge. And with such a people you can then do what you please.

Hannah Arendt’s prescient warning just gets more relevant every day. People are figuring out that the media is just a propaganda machine. Older people are easily sucked into outrage against Russia/China/boogieman-du-jour, because it’s how they’ve been trained to respond their whole lives, and their brains are scrambled by lead exposure. It’s also Hillary’s transparent anti-commie rage, which she never outgrew.
The sclerotic old world is kicking and screaming against losing its many, many unearned privileges. Their increasing desperation is showing through their noise.

Posted by: D | Oct 29 2024 18:29 utc | 101

JOhan Kaspar

We gave the world so much, why do they hate us ?

Arundhati Roy

“Exposing Western hypocrisy – how much more exposed can they be? Which decent human being on Earth harbours any illusions about it? These are people whose histories are spongy with the blood of others. Colonialism, apartheid, slavery, ethnic cleansing, germ warfare, chemical weapons – they virtually invented it all. They have plundered nations, snuffed out civilisations, exterminated entire populations. They stand on the world’s stage stark naked but entirely unembarrassed, because they know that they have more money, more food and bigger bombs than anybody else”

http://www.converge.org.nz/abc/prsp25.htm

Posted by: denk | Oct 29 2024 18:32 utc | 102

When I was a teenager in the 80s the Sydney Morning Herald was Australia’s elder statesman of newspapers. It now spouts the same infantile drivel. When the form guide for the races is thicker than the rest of the paper you know the game’s over. Like your other story (UNRWA) the whole world makes me very depressed. I’m taking a Twitter/X holiday in November. I can’t bear to watch.

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 29 2024 18:37 utc | 103

Hillary won the popular vote but lost the election, thanks to the undemocratic electoral college. So currently the
aspirants only campaign in the ‘battleground states.’ It’s not the first time. Five others won the popular vote but lost the election.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 15:15 utc | 52
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I think you are confusing two different things.
The Electoral College is not the reason that there are battleground states.
The reason for the latter is the grip of one party or the other on the voters in a state.
For instance, Massachusetts is blue—because the urban population, which votes mostly Democratic, outweighs the nonurban population, many of whom vote red.
This pattern holds throughout the US: urban areas vote blue and rural or nonurban predominate red. IF you look at a county-by-county map of the country you can see this pattern very clearly.
Absent the Electoral College, all national elections would be dominated by the number of Dem voters in the country, which are concentrated on the coasts.
The way to “correct” the low number of battleground states is not to eliminate the EC (which isn’t about to happen anyway). It is to work to change the blue/red balance in more states. Purple developments in some states has triggered attempts at fraud to keep things from changing from blue to red.
The USA is a federation of states. Thank God. If the EC were eliminated there would soon be screams about how to break the dominance of the two population- and blue-heavy coasts in national elections.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 29 2024 18:39 utc | 104

The people who scream the loudest about ‘election interference’ are the ones most engaged in election interference. This is the Deep State’s bottom feeders laying the groundwork for challenging the outcome of the election should the less-than-desired candidate prevail over the Deep State’s hand-picked sock puppet.

Posted by: Monos | Oct 29 2024 18:39 utc | 105

“How could a fake video of a Republican congressman with Chinese caption that was used to discredit a Taiwanese politician influence a U.S. election in which China has ‘no preferred outcome’?”
In old Hollywood this would have been a comedy punchline.

Posted by: AG | Oct 29 2024 18:43 utc | 106

“How could a fake video of a Republican congressman with Chinese caption that was used to discredit a Taiwanese politician influence a U.S. election in which China has ‘no preferred outcome’?”
In old Hollywood this would have been a comedy punchline.

Posted by: AG | Oct 29 2024 18:43 utc | 107

AI, as it is called, is really just a very elaborate autocorrect. It takes your comment and guesses what token replacements are needed to provide a response. Believing it has intelligence is like believing your dog understands your feelings.
AI is very good at faking competence. Therefore it will replace the majority of human service workers who are doing the same.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 29 2024 18:43 utc | 108

Thank you b, thank you to all the community here, you’ve kept me sane for many years! I’ve only communicated here a couple of times, you’re all eloquent in your own way and I’m saying this now, cause one never knows when we’ll all be by the wayside! Much love and respect
Posted by: Bella | Oct 29 2024 16:13 utc | 71
This is a repost from the other thread. As difficult and tragic as this era is, it is a blessing that for now we can share information, ideologies and outrage. One day we will all have to leave the comfort of our arm chairs and take up the good fight as Sinwar so courageously did, that stick of resistance should be a guiding symbol. I’ve told my circle that the day will come when you’re either a part of the resistance, which means you give up all those comforts and comfortable ideas, or you remain in the status quo, both of which require sacrifice, we’re already slaves.
I’m a US citizen from the southwest, I voted specifically against genocide and specifically for the reason that if you don’t, farcical / rigged or not, you cannot complain. I’ve written to all of my higher elected officials in bold NOT IN MY NAME. I signed on to the BDS years ago and my list of undesirables grows daily. So please my fellow travelers, keep writing, keep fighting! If we must be silenced let it be for the good of humanity.

Posted by: Bella | Oct 29 2024 18:45 utc | 109

Journal of a Futurist – 20 April 2005
10 REASONS WHY THE USA IS NOW THE MOST DANGEROUS NATION
ON EARTH
AND 3 REASONS FOR HOPE
Today there’s NONE.
NO redemption, no nuthin
The US is done for.
https://tinyurl.com/mcfvv963

Posted by: denk | Oct 29 2024 18:54 utc | 110

Posted by: Bella | Oct 29 2024 18:45 utc | 109
Thanks for your comments and your efforts Bella. This thread is MoA at its finest. Lot’s of excellent information and commentary. I’m buying a round for the bar!

Posted by: KMRIA | Oct 29 2024 19:06 utc | 111

Denk (99).
The West began its attack on China in the Xinjiang region of China – when the US hired a religious nut named Adrian Zenz – Zenz said he was told from on high (heaven) that his goal was to destroy China – Zenz compiled a report that the Chinese were abusing the Uyghurs – without out any real evidence.
The real reason behind the attack on China via the Uyghurs and the Xinjiang region – is that Xinjiang abuts onto Afghanistan via a valley – which China is/has prepared as a route for trade – its even more viable now that the West has fled Afghanistan with their tails between their legs.
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 29 2024 19:06 utc | 112

There are six corporations that own (almost) all media.
. . . GE, News-Corp, Disney, Viacom, Time Warner and CBS.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 19:14 utc | 113

In thankful response to

There are six corporations that own (almost) all media.
. . . GE, News-Corp, Disney, Viacom, Time Warner and CBS.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 19:14 utc | 113

Between 1949 and 1986 the US had a Fairness Doctrine constraining the media but since and before 1986 the media is a firehose of brainwashing coming from the God Of Mammon point of view.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 29 2024 19:20 utc | 114

Simply put.
Western news media dispensed with reporting facts and truth.
Removed context and opposing information regardless of it’s merits.
JFK made the following statement
Never truer than now.
“A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is
afraid of its people.”

Posted by: jpc | Oct 29 2024 19:24 utc | 115

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 29 2024 19:06 utc | 112
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The CIA’s Office of Transnational Issues, which contracted for the study, was interested in gauging whether China might ”pop its cork” any time soon, Fuller said in interviews with Reuters this week. Citing former colleagues at Langley, he said CIA in-house analysts, stung by lapses in predicting the Soviet and Yugoslav collapses, apparently had begun leaning toward a view that ethnic nationalism could split China with the right spark.

Uncle sham in a nutshell.
A pro arsonist.

As they say…
China builds, US destroys.
https://rense.com/political/uofhprof.htm

Posted by: denk | Oct 29 2024 19:33 utc | 116

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 29 2024 19:06 utc | 112 & Denk
I don’t know much about the website, The Diplomat, but this article I thought was pretty interesting regarding many of militant groups in Central Asia. I know that they cause trouble for Kazakhstan, too.
Islamic State of Khorasan
It’s a shame that all of this is going on. And all the lies and obfuscations.

Posted by: lex talionis | Oct 29 2024 19:34 utc | 117

It is intersting in Norway. Many of us classical socialists just loathe the “sosial democrat” party, just like the bryteren in UK or Germany, even though I find all the “liberal” parties even morr loathsome.
Trump in America seems refreshing (antiwar, antiState corporocracy i.e. fascism) although I do not have any faith that he could manage to put the West on a better course then a “liberal” like Harris.
To top it off, Western media seem lost in political stereotypes and keep insinuating about “communist Russia”. I have no idea what exactly Putin stands for, but pretty sure he is neither fascist or communist (as the lying Western press talks about nor a social democrat, conservative, liberal or “green”.
The “democracy” in Europe is increasingly a gigantic joke and the media an entity that clones all these jokes.

Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Oct 29 2024 19:41 utc | 118

weird… i have 2 posts eaten… i thought posting substack links was okay??

Posted by: james | Oct 29 2024 19:49 utc | 119

Gateway Pundit can be fairly characterized as a pro-MAGA source of news media. It is playing a part in tagging the Democrat Party and it’s war vampires with the failure of project Ukraine. Interesting title for a piece today:
‘Our Front Has Collapsed’: Ukrainian General Sounds the Alarm on the Crumbling Defenses as Russians Set Their Sights on Key Hub of Pokrovsk and Its Last Coal Mine

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 29 2024 19:52 utc | 120

Posted by: lex talionis | Oct 29 2024 19:34 utc | 117
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FUKUS had the knack of booby trapping a house while leaving.
A prime example would be HK with a 3000 staff consulate.
Reeks of a CIA safe house !
I heard the Afghan Taliban is in contact
with CIA. !
Hmmm….
That’s all folks !

Posted by: denk | Oct 29 2024 20:02 utc | 121

Posted by: Jane | Oct 29 2024 18:39 utc | 104,
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I see your point, and it is a good one, it is the kind of argument Thomas Jefferson would make if he were here today.
However, I disagree with you and Thomas Jefferson. You have to go back and review WHY Jefferson and his fellow Southern slave owners demanded that the EC, or something like it, were included in the constitution before they would agree to sign it.
Then you must see how this advantage for slave owners transformed into an absolute advantage for the capitalist ruling class in a two-party political system.
The whole point is to limit democracy, which I think you agree with. But this limitation on democracy, resulted in an extended period of brutal slavery in the US, long after most countries like the UK outlawed chattle slavery and the slave trade. A bloody civil war was required to end chattle slavery in the U.S. thanks inpart to EC that should have been voted out or ruled illegal based on the Bill of rights. The EC, and the Senate Structure, insured that Slave States with their small populations remained politically strong in our congress and in the White House.
Today, the EC and Senate Structure (and I should also include gerrymandering, which you failed to mention in your defense of the EC) has produced a two-party system that ensures that money is the strongest determitive for which candidates can compete and win elections at all levels of the U.S. political system.
The sweet kiss for the capitalist ruling-class is that they don’t worry about which party wins, their interestt is generally served by both parties. This doesn’t mean that the ruling class is homogenous; they also have ideological differences (left and right) and they financially support candidates of their choice. However, unlike the working-class who are constantly tossed and turned by decisions made by the two parties which do not serve the working-class, the capital ruling-class are not particularly impacted by the continuous cycles of the two-party system that serves them so well.
Cheers,

Posted by: Ed | Oct 29 2024 20:04 utc | 122

My guess is most of those with confidence in media are dems, not least bc dems want to believe msm.

Posted by: John k | Oct 29 2024 20:19 utc | 123

Posted by: Jane | Oct 29 2024 18:39 utc | 104 “Absent the Electoral College, all national elections would be dominated by the number of Dem voters in the country, which are concentrated on the coasts.” That would be called majority rule, which honest people would call a principle of democracy. The belief expressed here that the majority winning elections (spun as “dominating”) is wrong, is Democrats, urbans, coastal—which means in this idiots’ language, liberal, socially liberal (and possibly Jewish and gay, see NYC and San Francisco.) This is bigoted as well as partisan hackery.
“Purple developments in some states has triggered attempts at fraud to keep things from changing from blue to red.” This is dishonest. Revelations of fraud from tin god Trump don’t count, and slavishly repeating tin god Trump’s BS isn’t a respectably form of prayer. In addition to being a lie proper, it is the lie indirect: The persistent overrepresentation of rural areas so that their votes effectively count for more than the despicable urbans is deeply undemocratic. It breaks the “one man, one vote” rule. And that’s not an accident, neither in red states now nor when the EC was first inflicted on the nation.
“…If the EC were eliminated there would soon be screams about how to break the dominance of the two population- and blue-heavy coasts in national elections.” As long as there are elections, no party, even a blue one will “dominate” that long. The real resentment here is the prospect of a bunch of urbans etc. living as if they had a right to, around for whole lifetimes! The Janes of this world do no genuinely concede the right of the wrong people to even live.
“The USA is a federation of states.” No matter how much you hate the Civil War amendments, this is anti-American, unpatriotic BS. One of the greatest things that Made A Great America was the good guys winning the Civil War. By the way any women who want to go antebellum can start by refusing to vote and let their man represent them instead.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 29 2024 20:35 utc | 124

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Posted by: denk | Oct 29 2024 18:23 utc |

Meanwhile, the US has the world’s largest prison population, more people in solitary confinement, ghettos that are essentially open air prisons, while it supplies the munitions for Israel’s genocide in Palestine, and what we hear from the UN and ‘human rights’ organizations in the West is the Uyghurs in China.

Posted by: Mike R | Oct 29 2024 20:38 utc | 125

re: sanctions on China for forced labor
news – Oct 15, 2024
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California and Nevada voters will decide in November whether to ban forced prison labor by removing language from their state constitutions rooted in the legacy of chattel slavery.
The measures aim to protect incarcerated people from being forced to work under the threat of punishment in the states, where it is not uncommon for prisoners to be paid less than $1 an hour to fight fires, clean prison cells, make license plates or do yard work at cemeteries.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 20:54 utc | 126

@ Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 29 2024 16:23 utc | 75
The ad is embedded in this link.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-harris-real-men-ad-backfires-as-social-media-calls-it-cringiest-evervideo/ar-AA1s8D6f
or just search on Harris Real Men Ad.
Plenty of references to it.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Oct 29 2024 21:01 utc | 127

Ralph Nader wrote a book: “Crashing the Party” about how third parties, as decided in the states, are not possible. So we have two parties, solid on their votes to have a huge military and wars for financial purposes, and petty politicking on domestic issues that usually gain citizens nothing.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 21:07 utc | 128

In an attempt to counter the many lies about Russia, here’s my effort for the day. Putin put in a full day of work, “Putin Addresses Congress of the Federation of Independent Trade Unions of Russia & 2024 National Health Congress Plenary Session, Plus Conducts Strategic Drill,” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/putin-addresses-congress-of-the-federation
Socialism with Russian Characteristics continues to be constructed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 29 2024 21:17 utc | 129

aristodemos | Oct 29 2024 15:03 utc | 48
So, how did you keep your ass from being Drafted?
Sounds like you could give the Ukrainians some advice in that regard.

Posted by: Jerr | Oct 29 2024 21:19 utc | 130

Regarding the US Electoral College, a few things need to be understood.
At the time of the formation of the Constitution, the colonies were dominated by Boston MA, NY NY and Philadelphia PA. AntiFederalist sentiments were strongest in all the smaller colonies, not just the progeny of the Royalists in the South. They never would have joined in the Constitution without the EC described in Federalist 68.
As far as “Democracy”, the founders were revolted by the concept. This is Democracy – there are 3 people in a room and one says to the other, I like your hat. Give it to me. After the hat wearer said no, they too a vote and the hat wearer list the hat. Two people left the room extoling the virtues of Democracy.
Rather than a democracy, the founders of the US created a representative republic. The AntiFederalists would have never signed on without the Bill of Rights. Some rights cannot be legislated away, at least in concept. If that weren’t the case, citidwellers would be confiscating agricultural production.
This should ring a chord with Europeans, whose farmers have become a little uppity last summer. Perhaps the EU should consider a bill or rights and an electoral college (not the Holy Roman Empire type).

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 29 2024 21:50 utc | 131

Ossi, that “dying country” you mention–isn’t that Germany?

Posted by: Archie | Oct 29 2024 18:21 utc | 96
Ossi was talking about the USA*. Problem?
(* Need I mention that the USA is responsible for the destruction of the German economy (can you say ‘Nord Stream’?) and its relations with Russia?)

Posted by: joey_n | Oct 29 2024 21:58 utc | 132

The US seems thoroughly capable of interfering in its own elections, it doesn’t need any help from Russia or China…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 29 2024 22:01 utc | 133

@ 131
Rather than a democracy, the founders of the US created a representative republic. . . .This should ring a chord with EuropeansBiden, who yaps about democracy all the time.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 22:10 utc | 134

.This should ring a chord with EuropeansBiden, who yaps about democracy all the time.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 22:10 utc | 134
Yes, Don Bacon. Democracy means diffetent things to different people:
The dictatorship of the proletariat, the period of transition to communism, will for the first time create democracy for the people, for the majority, along with the necessary suppression of the exploiters, of the minority.
But I can guarantee that every signatory to the US Constitution read Plato, The Republic.

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 29 2024 22:22 utc | 135

I gotta hand it to Outraged @6 for succinctness!
“Potemkin Anocracy” sez it jus’ rite™©®.

Posted by: Fubar El Haq | Oct 29 2024 22:36 utc | 136

@ 135
Democracy is governance by the citizens, in this case through their representatives. Biden defines democracy as elections, and we know how poorly that works. . . .I grew up in a small town in New England which was governed by town meetings. . . .Should we buy that new dump truck, if yes raise your hands.. . that’s the other extreme of democracy.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 22:36 utc | 137

Anyone care to define difference between democracy and republic?
Or do we agree that each person use only their own, unstated definition of d and r and pretend to have a helpful conversation/dialog/communication.?
In some ways, words are invitations to confusion and accelerate mis-understanding. Thus this post is useless.

Posted by: chu-teh | Oct 29 2024 22:49 utc | 138

Dima says that Ukro army is in very bad shape, but that Zelensky expects to get tomahawks soon.

Posted by: vargas | Oct 29 2024 22:50 utc | 139

Vargas @ 139:
The Banderites must be in very bad shape indeed if all they can fight with is handheld tomahawks donated from the US Smithsonian museums because those are all they can afford after President Zizi and his cronies take their respective cuts.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 29 2024 23:11 utc | 140

… I grew up in a small town in New England which was governed by town meetings. . . .Should we buy that new dump truck, if yes raise your hands.. . that’s the other extreme of democracy.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 22:36 utc | 137
And in Salem they had a town meeting asked “is she a witch?” But they had real “democracy”!
Yes, discussing this topic is a bit of a thread hijack, but it is germane to how the products of post modern education, who are more than over represented in the MSM, will deconstruct truths and promote a narrative that is sacrosanct to their group. After all, they know better …

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 29 2024 23:23 utc | 141

Disturbing? Perhaps, but IMO it needs to be confronted, “Why the West Has Twisted WW2 History: An Important POV,” By Aleksandar Vulin, Deputy Prime Minister of Serbia, https://karlof1.substack.com/p/why-the-west-has-twisted-ww2-history

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 29 2024 23:59 utc | 142

@ Ed | Oct 29 2024 20:04 utc | 122
@ steven t johnson | Oct 29 2024 20:35 utc | 124
@ frithguild | Oct 29 2024 21:50 utc | 131
As frithguild has noted, the electoral college, with its unbalancing the strict demography by added two senate-seat votes to whatever representatives a state had, was entirely to placate the small states and get them to agree. It had nothing to do with slavery, which instead was worked out by the ridiculous formula that gave the whites in the slave states overrepresentation by counting three fifths of the enslaved population when calculating the distribution of the House of Representatives. If you look at the order in which the states ratified the constitution, you will notice that the larger states of Virginia and New York were among the last to do so, and each passed ratification by a very small margin, while another state with a large population, actually rejected the constitution.
As far as the undemocratic nature of the electoral college is concerned, that is certain. But what would actually be democratic? One can imagine, junking the 1787 Constitution, that a more representative form of government would be created by abolishing constituencies and requiring all candidates to run on party lists, where each party would be assigned seats exactly in proportion to its popular vote. That would smash the two-party system totally and forever, because every particular interest could be represented. Alternatively, another more democratizing move would be to fill all positions by lot, in the unlikely event that that could be done in a way free from chicanery.
Another reform that would be needed would be to get rid of the awful office of the presidency, which was a mistake from the get-go, but has become much worse since Woodrow Wilson. That could be done by replacing it with an executive committee of five persons who would rotate the chairship on a daily basis. The five would be the five highest vote getters, with each voter being allowed to vote for only one person. That would guarantee that all the main opponents of each other would be on that committee.
The power to appoint the Supreme Court should also be removed from the presidency, obviously.
On the other hand, an argument can also be made of trying to use the Constitution as it is, oligarchical republic and all, as a cudgel to beat the elite over the head with, as they by no means enforce or uphold its provisions. One could start by restricting the presidential powers as much as possible.

Posted by: Cabe | Oct 30 2024 0:04 utc | 143

Direct Democracy, the purest form of democracy, is horrifying as it is just mob rule.

Posted by: Ezzie | Oct 30 2024 0:49 utc | 144

Posted by: Cabe | Oct 30 2024 0:04 utc | 143 And the last state to ratify was the large state of Rhode Island?
It should be well known that Madison (the Framer who broke the agreement to keep deliberations secret—the confidence the “notes” he released when convenient are complete and correct, much less fair seems rather high to me,) noted the real divisions were between slave and free states, not large and small.
As to the EC proper, what is known is that the convention didn’t consider it a major issue. Certainly it was left till late (handled by the committee on “Details” if I remember correctly?) and was so unthought through that the sloppy writing led to the first constitutional crisis in just twelve years! It is very doubtful the EC was vital to ratification or rejection to small states.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 30 2024 0:55 utc | 145

Any popular system is horrifying or wonderful, depending on the people.
Any hierarchical system is horrifying or wonderful depending on the leaders of the hierarchy.
There is no “political system” for the human condition. They are all theoretical constructs based on flimsy assumptions; monarchies and magical Gods, democracies and magical numbers.
In the case of USA, they went with Masonic numbers and hoped they “worked”. And they did, but ot wasn’t because of the numbers, it was because of the people.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 0:57 utc | 146

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 29 2024 20:35 utc | 124
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You can eff off with your verbal abuse.
BTW, the Civil War is over.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 30 2024 1:03 utc | 147

It is very doubtful the EC was vital to ratification or rejection to small states.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 30 2024 0:55 utc | 145
“very” means you are using useless adjectives to bolster your case.
people always be arguing like lawyers online, like everything is black and white, every effect a singular cause.
it is the purview of liars and lawyers, same thing.
why cant all you midwits just talk honestly, instead of arguing with exaggerating adjectives and adverbs to make your opinion overinflated?

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 1:03 utc | 148

Disturbing? Perhaps, but IMO it needs to be confronted, “Why the West Has Twisted WW2 History: An Important POV,” By Aleksandar Vulin, Deputy Prime Minister of Serbia, https://karlof1.substack.com/p/why-the-west-has-twisted-ww2-history
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 29 2024 23:59 utc | 142
“History shall be kind to me for i intend to write it.”
As someone with a degree in History, i see that Vulin is nearly 100% truthful and makes well grounded points. But he is *issing in the wind. Logic and fact mean nothing to the current policy brokers. In fact, hipocracy is a badge of honor. The only thing that matters is power.
The irony of the shoe being on the other foot is lost on nearly all. We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too, they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying too as well, but they are still lying. This now applies to all US Foreign policy.

Posted by: frithguild | Oct 30 2024 1:14 utc | 149

I still see the EU creaking from within. The voters are putting immense pressures on it. When was the last time establishment parties won an election, Poland ? I don’t think they won a majority.
This pressure must continue until it breaks apart. If the EU crumbles so does NATO. It will get smaller.
If Trump wins he’s all for NATO, as long as Europeans pay their share. If he negotiates a peace in Ukraine that pressure being applied on the EU by European voters will fade away. Just as it looked like things were going to change.
4 years of Harris would surely convince some countries to think about leaving and joining BRICS. The pressure being applied by European voters on Brussels will increase.
Could be wrong but that’s the way I see it.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 30 2024 1:38 utc | 150

Late to the discussion, it’s been a busy week.
This NYT fake news campaign spinning up as the election closes in makes abundantly clear that democrats are once again laying the groundwork to blame Russia for their potential loss, while the trump campaign is surely busy strategizing behind the curtain on how to fire up a steal the vote trope in the event of his own loss.
US politics is next level reality TV, only patently faker. More like TV wrestling, perhaps.

Posted by: nwwoods | Oct 30 2024 1:41 utc | 151

When I read these LIES out of rags like the Times and WAPO, my blood pressure starts to rise.
Are there still Americans reading that bullshit?
The way MSM writes, you would think that all these countries are doing US wrong, when it’s the polar opposite of that.
The Russia did it nonsense was long ago debunked.
When MSM accuses Russia, China or Iran of doing something, it’s a CONFESSION, projection, because it’s the US DOING IT.
Shameless whores for Zionists and the MIC

Posted by: Kay | Oct 30 2024 1:50 utc | 152

When I read these LIES out of rags like the Times and WAPO, my blood pressure starts to rise.
Are there still Americans reading that bullshit?
The way MSM writes, you would think that all these countries are doing US wrong, when it’s the polar opposite of that.
The Russia did it nonsense was long ago debunked.
When MSM accuses Russia, China or Iran of doing something, it’s a CONFESSION, projection, because it’s the US DOING IT.
Shameless whores for Zionists and the MIC

Posted by: Kay | Oct 30 2024 1:50 utc | 153

In question of

US politics is next level reality TV, only patently faker. More like TV wrestling, perhaps.
Posted by: nwwoods | Oct 30 2024 1:41 utc | 151

Was the TV wrestling part tongue-in-cheek?
You do know that Trump is a WWE Hall of Famer, correct
Otherwise you are right but I go with the Hollywood slant….. but not sure they have better “producers”.
The kabuki term also fits….sometimes used in political discourse to describe an event characterized more by showmanship than by content……maybe giving too much credit here…is there such a thing as barbaristic kabuki?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30 2024 1:56 utc | 154

two of the mercs killed recently in Russia were Americans. The one with the Polish name and prayer book was a Polish-American marine from 2001 to 2021.
the other with the ranger tattoo, of course American.
The third was Canadian.
The fourth was found in pieces, and it is hard to determine who he was:
warning, fairly grisly photos:
https://southfront.press/interesting-details-of-thwarted-ukrainian-nato-special-operation-in-russian-bryansk-region-18/

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 2:07 utc | 155

Jerr@2119
Induction center hailed me along with a host of other college students. Went through their initial testing and then to the physician who war running that end of the process. Handed him paperwork on medical analyses and he jerked up his thumb and pointed me out the door.
So I never “served” in the treasonous JBJ’s little venture after the fake “incident” in the Gulf of Tonkin in August of ’64. One of the reasons JFK was taken down by the Agency and co. was that both the WarDefense Industry and Big Oil saw potential magic for their bottom lines.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 30 2024 2:17 utc | 156

Don Bacon @2054
You might wanna check out the notorious 13th Amendment, enacted in the Civil War era. Involuntary servitude was abolished…except for those found guilty of some crime. Haven’t done all the research but notion is that those slave states which did NOT join the Confederacy…Maryland at the points of Federal bayonets, Kentucky, where their role in the war was all too often brother against brother and Missouri, which had a patchwork of pro-Unionists and Confederate hold-outs. With a significant proportion of the state’s population, St. Louis determined that the balance was held by the Feds.
Those representatives and senators from those particular states may have held the balance in the tumultuous Lincoln administration…and even more so under President Andrew Johnson. By the 1890’s after the horrors of the Stanton controlled martial law imposed on the Southern states…the Reconstruction laws and orders had ceased to exist and with that bit of legerdemain; they began charging Blacks with “crimes” like vagrancy and shackled them into chain-gangs. The 13th Amendment allowed that under its peculiar wording.
Fast forward to current serfdom and the #1 violator of human rights is the Federal Bureau of Prisons who induce many no and low income prisoners to work for an outfit named UNICOR. Have yet to do the research, but apparently Unicor is actually under United Nations controlling interests and is established under Canadian law…not American. Something very fishy there as a man of my acquaintance worked for UNICOR by checking out patent applications…a copy-editing form of occupation which in the outside world sports fairly decent wages for their semi-professional labors…not so with the BOP…a branch of the Department of Ju$t-U$.
Corruption reigns in the Di$trict of Corruption. The Department of Ju$t-U$ is one of the primary violators. The administrative bureaucrap$ in that department run what is known by some as the “Law n’ Ordure Racket”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 30 2024 2:36 utc | 157

Al Gore won the 2000 national popular vote by more than 500,000 votes, but narrowly lost Florida, giving the Electoral College to George W Bush 271 to 266.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 15:34 utc | 60
IIRC, the Supreme Court ordered an end to recounting the Florida vote. An unofficial recount later showed that Gore had, in fact, won in Florida.
I may have learned that from a source less reliable that the NYTimes so it could have been merely Russian, Chinese or Iranian propaganda.

Posted by: Samu | Oct 30 2024 2:52 utc | 158

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30 2024 1:56 utc | 154
Maybe it’s more No Theater than barbaristic kabuki. Great name for a Japanese noise band, by the way!
The hostile takeover of Donald Trump at Wrestlemania 23!!
KMRIA, thanks for the link to the doc. They’re persistent, these regime changer, Gene Sharp types. I wonder where that traitor Saakashvili is?

Posted by: lex talionis | Oct 30 2024 2:58 utc | 159

It is not lead poisoning.
It is not TV-related subliminal messaging.
It is not dietary mind control.
It is not an “Old Person” issue.
I see it in the young and old, in the middle class and the wealthy. On Wall Street and Main Street.
MSM is a proxy for the US Federal government. Of that, we can be certain. However, no one actually believes the things they say. Not even their supporters. What we have all witnessed in the past thirty plus years is the birth of a new religion. An authoritarian machine that validates the discomfort of its supporters, forgives their sins and justifies their rejection of responsibility.
When faced with the undeniable truth that their is no Santa Claus, a gathering of preschoolers shall divide themselves into two camps. Those who seek the truth and those who do not want to live in a world without magic. For them, the US federal government acts as a co-dependent parent. And they (as well as their proxies) CAN NEVER be wrong. Not ever.

Posted by: MaryPeck | Oct 30 2024 3:17 utc | 160

Corruption reigns in the Di$trict of Corruption.
Aristodemos (157)
Yes, indeed. WF Buckley once opined that a random group of 535 people entering Grand Central Station or 535 people chosen at random from the Manhattan Phone Book would do a much better job than the 100 US Senators and 435 Representatives.
The electorate has historically been given a Hobson’s Choice via the two party system. Once in DC, those elected answer only to those who bribe them, blackmail them, or both.

Posted by: Ciaran | Oct 30 2024 4:19 utc | 161

The sun is setting on legacy media.
Trump’s interview with Joe Rogan garnered more views than ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC & Fox combined.
Tucker Carlson and others are making inroads. Sure, their narratives can be staged managed too.
But like most of us here on Telegram, Substack, Bitchute, etc are able to hear conflicting and contradictory messages and make our own minds up.
Hence, Clinton’s lament.

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 30 2024 5:24 utc | 162

Policies.
Whatever happened to candidates outlining political policies pre-election? I’ve heard a few promise-y things from Trump but NONE from Harris. It’s all about him vs her, personality battles. It’s the era of celebrity populism, cliché slogans — the most liked one wins. The problem is that they are both very un-fucking-likeable. But that shouldn’t matter. Even an unlikeable person would get my vote if they had a manifesto of national direction.
Ffs America. Make a vote on who has the best concrete policies and plans for the country you want to live in. But good luck finding out what they are.

Posted by: ScoobyDoo | Oct 30 2024 6:30 utc | 163

warfare of the void.
I read that Google had blurred a mercs’s house starting in 2023! To hide him of course.
If the defenders believe the river uncrossable, they get complacent.
Easier with AI, but brute force is only a bit slower.
Sweep all Google Earth.
Find all blurred sectors.
Find why they are blurred, meaning scrape or previous knowledge required. But I am sure any intelligence agency keeps it all updated and stored continuously. Probably a new snapshot added to the archive every hour.
This also allows change patterning. Newly blurred means mew secret. They don’t blur randomly. Eventually, they will have to.
Anyways, once blurred houses are identified, trace family, set sensors, honeytrap in trojans, just to watch communication pattern. ( mother won a cash prize, brother meets hot Russian woman) Humint the most interesting. Expect flurry of activity before and after operation. Even two or three tracks could belie an entire brigade.
Read the void.
Eventually you get discovered.
But fear not. they cant use this against you because you do not have censorship powers,it can only be used against them, leaving them no choice but weaken their program.
But be wary of detection. They will find out eventually.
And when they do, misdirection will start before the degrading of their program. (Eventually they must blur or unblur sectors randomly, or stop blurring altogether).

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 6:45 utc | 164

Sweep all Google Earth.
Find all blurred sectors.
Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 6:45 utc | 164
Is there a code you can search, or do you have to browse the entire earth?

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 30 2024 7:04 utc | 165

One point I haven’t seen raised yet, is to what degree this is Comical Ali stuff. The more the losing, poorly thought out, wars go wrong, the more the media have to put out nonsensical lies to cover up.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 30 2024 7:08 utc | 166

Why do I, as a German (former East German) or Central German, say that the East of Germany is actually the middle of Germany, that the USA is at its end, that the sympathy of the people of Europe is at its end.
Every Monday there are demonstrations in almost all cities in Germany with demands of “Ami go home” – is this even reported in the States (USA)? In the States in Europe (EU) there are no reports about demonstrations in neighboring countries, which means that Germans do NOT hear about demonstrations, unrest in Madrid or Paris, nothing about uprisings in Warsaw or about violent riots against Ukrainian refugees there. US Americans know NOTHING about the fact that financial benefits for Ukrainian refugees in Germany are being cut – financial sums that a US American (family) can only dream of. What do I mean by that? The system is perfect and ensures that Germans do not hear anything about the French, the French do not hear anything about the Spaniards, the Spaniards do not hear anything about the Poles, which the system does not want. This ensures that forces do not combine or even generate sympathy in the EU. In the USA itself it is even worse, outside the centers in the wider parts of the country I would not be surprised if people there still think the Japan War is going on. Well, about 85% of Americans are not at all interested in what is happening in Europe, whether their politics are driving them to ruin with a war against Russia.
95% of Americans still consider THEMSELVES (their country) to be militarily far superior and technologically leading in the world.
The fact that their weapons technology has failed in the worst possible way in practice is kept secret, MY friends in Boston have NEVER heard of hypersonic weapons, let alone that their military cannot defend against them. They still think their Abrahams are the best in the world?
Find the mistake!
I don’t mean to say that conditions in Europe are better, on the contrary. Every government in the EU acts and decides AGAINST the interests of its population and ALL in the interests of the USA… Vassals, even slaves in ancient Rome, fought back, vassals in Europe, on the other hand, sacrifice their country and their people!
Let’s wait and see when and if the slave uprising will come, which will be directed primarily against the USA in Europe.
The USA is seen here as the evil of all evil and the number who feel this way is increasing daily!
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Posted by: ossi | Oct 30 2024 7:11 utc | 167

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 30 2024 7:04 utc | 165
easy with ai, bit harder with brute force. Very easy with entire snap shot. I could code it in a week or less, to scan a large snapshot if I so desired.
Sounds impossible, but computers are very fast and databases very big. Storing a daily snapshot would not take much storage.
As for collection, lots of time zones and agents mixed with IP scrambler, and you could sample a million a second easy.
Shuffle huge (smaller than decillion, bigger that giga). number randomly. Each one assigned sweep sector.
Double Voronoi noise sectors if necessary to avoid obvious snapshotters and stealers bulk square iteration. 3d noise with x and y (long lat respectively), and z time seed to simulate erratic movement. of human.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 7:29 utc | 168

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 7:29 utc | 168
Thanks for that. Sounds as though you need to be a fairly competent programmer.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 30 2024 7:44 utc | 169

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 30 2024 7:44 utc | 169
Not really. An EW specialist would understand random full sweep band searching, just apply to a grid.
It can be done systematically, but “dont be evil inc” has AI that could detect such things.
Most complex would be determine blurry from sharp, but this is far easier than equipment detection AI like used on drones and satellites today. It can be brute force coded by using a minima and maxima deviations threshold. If they are softly spread out, it is blurry, of not, ot is sharp
Furthermore, the auto 3d modeling Google Earth uses could be just as easily analyzed. I bet anything those stupid code monkeys zero it put when they blur it.
I would check for that in first scans. Bet you anything giant field of equal zeroes gives it away.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 8:03 utc | 170

by “not really”, I mean this would be childs play to an intelligence coder who does scanning and scraping code. I would use graphic coding to write my program. I’ve done plenty of complex pixel scan code. It can scan trillions of pixels a second on a home computer. A Russian intelligence computer could do that in the literal blink of an eye.
also, I meant to say “local maxima and minima”.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 8:08 utc | 171

Posted by: UWDude | 148
“very” means you are using useless adjectives to bolster your case.
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A great point that also applies to the use of the word “just” – as in “he was just doing x because of y”. It can be very leading and a way to transition from the topic “x” to the topic “y” where rationalization can be brought fully to bear.
Perhaps relatedly, I tend to look closely at people who use dramatic hand gestures when speaking. This type of body language with felt or kinesthetic interpretations for the audience may distract some people from their intuitive sense.
As a public example, Kamala H does this, the inauthenticity is palpable, I expect she was trained to do this. She comes of as if she thinks she is explaining the world to preschoolers who are below her level of intelligence. Somehow, it seems to work on many people and I am astounded.

Posted by: NomNom | Oct 30 2024 8:23 utc | 172

“The truth is – that the US is interfering in other countries elections all across the globe – from Georgia to Venezuela – the EU/US even tried to assassinate the leader of Slovakia, Robert Fico.
The US had Pakistan’s leader Imran Khan imprisoned – the US had the leader of Bangladesh removed – because she wouldn’t give the USA the island of Saint Martin -and Hungary has come into the USA and the EU’s crosshairs, because its leader Orban – won’t supply Ukraine with all sorts of goodies – the US and the EU had 20,000 NGO’s actively participating in influencing voters in the Moldovan elections a few days ago.
Much of what ails the world today – is down to US bellicose foreign policies – is it any wonder, then that US is referred to as the Great Satan.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 29 2024 16:47 utc | 79

Very true.
America is a like a serial rapist that whines about being “sexually harassed”, even as he has a bloodstained trail of rape victims a mile long. Every American accusation is a confession of its own crimes.
The proverbial Elephant-in-the-Living-Room issue that the USA seeks to deny with its pants-wetting hysteria about foreign interference in US “democracy” is that America has not only been interfering but also trying to regime change, balkanize, or subjugate many, many countries for over a century.
The American overthrow of the independent Hawaiian Kingdom and Queen Liliuokalani in the 19th Century spawned a benighted record of American coup d’etats, destabilization campaigns, mass murder, and wars that continues throughout the 20th century and now 21st Century.
Overthrow: America’s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq
https://www.zinnedproject.org/materials/overthrow
America’s Deadliest Export: Democracy
https://williamblum.org/books/americas-deadliest-export
Americans either try to rationalize their overthrow of sovereign governments with propaganda that the USA is “defending freedom, democracy, individual rights” and other Orwellian horseshit.
Or Americans try to psychologically project their crimes onto Official Enemy Nations (like Russia, China, or Iran) and accuse them of trying to interfere in the innocent virtuous USA, as American media mouthpieces like the NY Times does above.
Blue Staters/Democrats are thus obsessed with Russia, Russia, Russia as the Official Enemy Image.
Red Staters/Republicans are obsessed with China, China, China as the Official Enemy Image.
And Zionists of both political orientations are are obsessed with Iran, Iran, Iran as the Official Enemy Image.
What is really hilarious is that American supremacists delude themselves that the USA is a great democracy and beacon of liberty, which is threatened by these Evil-Doers (Who Hate Our Freedoms).
In reality, America is a malign corporate oligarchy and high-tech surveillance state (per Edward Snowden’s revelations) that disguises its true national character behind self-serving lies about freedom.
Democrats like Kamala Harris are the “liberal” mask of this American monstrosity.
Republicans like Donald Trump are the “conservative” mask of this same American monstrosity.
And it makes no fundamental difference which of these war criminals is the nominal ruler of the American Empire.
You Can Only Support Trump Or Harris If You Don’t See The US Empire For The Beast It Is
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2024/10/28/you-can-only-support-trump-or-harris-if-you-dont-see-the-us-empire-for-the-beast-it-is/

Posted by: ak74 | Oct 30 2024 8:27 utc | 173

Posted by: NomNom | Oct 30 2024 8:23 utc | 172
I qualified in a follow up post be what I meant when I said “very easily”. And I mean it.
I get why you would be skeptical, bit Id rather someone with scraping and scanning or graphic code experience give their criticism… ie, someone who knows I am not bull shitting, because I am not.
I’ve done all sorts of simulation and pattern detection code already, that detects “anomalies” in a mixture of Simplex and Voronoi noise. I do procedural generation code every day, which is the lesser known cousin of AI.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 8:35 utc | 174

Filling your country up with foreigners who have a particular foreign take on your politics will affect your elections; see Delaware and Palestinian demonstrations for further details. Or Canada and Khalistanian activists.
Yet I don’t see the legacy media complaining about that.

Posted by: Truthsayer | Oct 30 2024 8:38 utc | 175

Posted by: NomNom | Oct 30 2024 8:23 utc | 172
LoL, I thought you were talking about my proposal for scanning google Earth for merc amd intelligence housing, which I said would be easy.
I saw the Xs and Ys, in your post, and that must have sub -conscously sealed the connection in my brain to my post because I also talked about Euclidean xs and ys.
Didn’t catch it was for post 148. That was hours ago. Sorry.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 8:46 utc | 176

Member when doomers were saying, ” at this rate, the entire Crimean fleet will be sunk by the end of the year!”
I member.
Member when they wre saying Moscow was “getting bombed daily”, and it would only get worse?
I member.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 8:53 utc | 177

https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1978029/
These are Russian conditions for endding the war:
Lavrov:
The Russian side laid out the fundamental approaches to the Ukrainian crisis resolution based on Russian President Vladimir Putin’s initiative of June 14, highlighting the cornerstones of Moscow’s stance on the issue. Those include withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from all Russian regions, recognition of those regions as Russian territory, termination of Kiev’s attempts to apply for NATO membership, the lifting of Western sanctions against Russia, and all-out guarantees of the rights of the Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine.
Lavrov’s statement is stupid if not perfidious, if you think about all dead Russians and the suffering of Russian people.
It is clear that Putin is begging for peace. The Kremlin oligarchs know that the West can escalate and that the west will escalate. The game of chicken is over. These conditions are perfect for Ukraine as it can drag Russia into endless war even without Donbas. Even now they can wage attacks on Russia proper, without being in NATO. Ukrainians have just one aim, to die while killing Russians, And with the little help from Kremlin they can achieve that easily.

Posted by: vargas | Oct 30 2024 8:56 utc | 178

the lifting of Western sanctions against Russia
Posted by: vargas | Oct 30 2024 8:56 utc | 178
He knows that will never happen. He is fake wincing in pain. Russia knows who the sanctions are hurting, and it isn’t Russia.
When you have a bimbocracy, they are stupid enough to slap themselves in the face, and cry about it

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 9:00 utc | 179

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 9:00 utc | 179
So you think, these Lavrov’s statement is just a deception?

Posted by: vargas | Oct 30 2024 9:02 utc | 180

So you think, these Lavrov’s statement is just a deception?
Posted by: vargas | Oct 30 2024 9:02 utc | 180
Yes, of course. The withdrawal from Kiev and Kherson was a retreat, not a sign of good will.
Putin and Lavrov want this war, and planned it for *at least* 8 years. They crossed the rubicon, this is war, and all warfare is deception.

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 9:11 utc | 181

UWdude: vargas is 5th column par excellence. He pretends to be “pro-Russian but critical”. He is *not* the local village idiot, he is doing this on purpose to disrupt.
“Russia is begging for peace”, my ass. The people I know from Serbia are smart and strong. What a loser.

Posted by: Konami | Oct 30 2024 9:12 utc | 182

vargas is 5th column par excellence. He pretends to be “pro-Russian but critical”. He is *not* the local village idiot, he is doing this on purpose to disrupt.
“Russia is begging for peace”, my ass. The people I know from Serbia are smart and strong. What a loser.
Posted by: Konami | Oct 30 2024 9:12 utc | 182
If I like Russia do I have to love Putin or Lavrov?
Why not Igor Strelkow?

Posted by: vargas | Oct 30 2024 9:23 utc | 183

If I like Russia do I have to love Putin or Lavrov?
Posted by: vargas | Oct 30 2024 9:23 utc | 183
Yes. Russia kicks ass because of them.
“I love the San Fransisco 49ers,but Joe Montana is an idiot, they would have done better with a different quarterback”

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 9:30 utc | 184

The US seems thoroughly capable of interfering in its own elections, it doesn’t need any help from Russia or China…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 29 2024 22:01 utc | 133

You nailed it there. There is so much domestic misinformation sloshing around America on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok that anything added from the outside would hard to detect, much less to make a difference. Added to which, the mainstream media have become so totally partisan, whether to one side or the other. So that finding any unbiased, objective news is like hunting for Easter eggs. On the playground of a Hindu temple. In July.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Oct 30 2024 12:13 utc | 185

Ukraine and Russia negotiate halt to strikes on energy facilities – Financial Times
More and more news about Putin’s stupidity or betrayal.
Russia does not want to win.

Posted by: vargas | Oct 30 2024 12:37 utc | 186

Posted by: vargas | Oct 30 2024 9:23 utc | 183
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Vargas, you’re an idiot…!
You don’t have to be a Putin supporter…right!
But even then, don’t talk nonsense and lie…verifiable arguments are enough.

Posted by: ossi | Oct 30 2024 15:09 utc | 187

Ukraine and Russia negotiate halt to strikes on energy facilities – Financial Times
More and more news about Putin’s stupidity or betrayal.
Russia does not want to win.
Posted by: vargas | Oct 30 2024 12:37 utc | 186
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Vargas, you’re an idiot…!
You don’t have to be a Putin supporter…right!
But even then, don’t talk nonsense or lie…verifiable arguments are enough.
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Still haven’t learned anything, you stupid person?
Of course there are negotiations about sparing each other’s energy plants, RIGHT!
But why is Putin stupid and wants to lose…HE has NOT agreed to it and will NOT do so as long as Ukrainians or mercenaries are in Kursk.
How desperate is Sylenski to expect negotiations in such a situation?
So report on negotiations, regardless of whether they are actively being pursued by both sides…Keep the rest of the stupid comments like “Putin doesn’t want to win” OR simply keep your mouth and fingers away from the keyboard…and we’ll all be helped.
By the way, YOU are NOT a Serb, at least not anyone who lives in Serbia

Posted by: ossi | Oct 30 2024 15:15 utc | 188

Vargas = Shadowbanned

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 30 2024 16:42 utc | 189

Posted by: Mike R | Oct 29 2024 20:38 utc | 125
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Was it William BLum who said,

Calling out US for its domestic mess is like charging Al Capone for tax evasion

?
Its letting uncle sham off too lightly.
The real crime was its serial genocides on the row for the past 80 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbgQRkMkrDM

Posted by: denk | Oct 30 2024 18:13 utc | 190

@ossi, #167:

Every Monday there are demonstrations in almost all cities in Germany with demands of “Ami go home” – is this even reported in the States (USA)?

No, such are not reported in US printed media that I know of. I don’t watch TV news so I don’t know if the networks report them.
But you pointed out another deeper/sadder aspect of the western society: That people are still demonstrating/protesting as if such things matters to their governments. People in the west still believe in “democracy”, whatever that is!. This is sad, but it is what it is. I wonder how/when there will be an awakening on this malaise.
Democracy never, never worked! The prosperity of the west during the past 500 years was built up through industrialization/colonization and aristocracy, which is synonymous with dictatorship. Actually, the decline of the west started with the near true implementation of democracy, when the average Joe and Jane cast their votes in their own images and elected corps of political/intellectual pygmies all across the west. That process started around the time of the close of WWII.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 30 2024 18:19 utc | 191

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 30 2024 18:19 utc | 191
I think you will really like this Oriental voice and understand it.
HERE:
https://moneyontheleft.org/2019/09/13/money-politics-before-the-new-deal-with-jakob-feinig/
So once you have read that. What goes through your mind ?
I suppose my question is, has fighting over elections really changed that much since then ? As it seems to me, many people who vote are voting against their own interests. The reason for that is history has become so inverted and propagandised.
To me, BRICS to some extent are trying to set the historical record straight and reverse some of the propaganda.
I would be interested to hear your take on it.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 30 2024 18:53 utc | 192

@Sun, #192:
Thank you for your response. You obviously are one serious thinker/truth-seeker who would labor through others’ deep thoughts and theories for the glimmer of truth you would skim off and enrich your own intellect. I’m not that meticulous a person. My reading comments at MOA and even reading of classic work of great past thinkers has always been just for passing time (in sort of an interesting way). Your link took me to the site. Out of courtesy for your sincerity I read about 10 minutes of what Prof. Feinig had to say. Then I lost interest :-). Sorry.
I disagree that there are two main historical views on money, per se. That may be a legitimate characterization in the West, but surely not universal. Even in the West, I think his notion of what money is or meant to be is applicable only among scholarly circles, but not societal in general.
Money has not always been associated with political authority. That association is actually quite contemporary since WWI. Prior to WWI it was might!!! that dictates politics (since the Roman’s) and money was more of a vehicle of reward rather than a means. Just around the time of WWI America was by far the richest, but Britain/France/Germany was considered the most powerful politically in the global sense, etc. etc. It was after WWII, when America used money as the vehicle (because it supposedly has the most by then) to shape and get what it wants that money became the 600-pound gorilla until today. Even today, China is actually now the wealthiest nation (by quite a BIG margin) but America still enjoys the widest political push/pull lever. Anyway, in my view this abnormality is changing, slowly but steadily.
My opinion on money is that it is just a convenient media for goods/services exchanges, and thus historically what actually is money changes with what people consider as most convenient. The worth of $$$ changed from gold based to oil based just half a century ago!!! And it will change again soon. BRICKS will introduce a “consortium of goods/material/services” as the basis of “worth” to replace what is now the generally accepted USD. It is just that the vast majority of world leaders are mentally stupid and slow to awakening that the $$$ is now just printed green paper without the ways and means that hold up its value as America did in the 50’s and 60’s.
Historically in China, money appear around 5,000 years ago (archeological digs confirmed their use in tribes), first in the form of sea shells and cloth, then about 2500 years ago changed to precious metals (of many kinds, bronze, iron, silver, gold, etc.). Since then during different dynasties rulers made different manipulative changes just for their own conveniences and benefits. Commodities, such as lumber, sea salt, crops, even land, have always been accepted as money equivalent in China throughout history, just as oil has been the basis of $$$ since the 70’s.
Talking about money, we now live in a world where the sacred Nobel prize on economics is awarded to mental pygmies on the basis that without the ideas these pygmies had published in their publication, the global economies would have done much, much worse! Huh??? How the hell the nuts at Nobel Foundation knows what the world economy would be if these so-called scholars were not born???

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 30 2024 20:06 utc | 193

> @ Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 30 2024 20:06 utc | 193
> we now live in a world where the sacred Nobel prize on economics is awarded to mental pygmies
That “sacred Nobel prize” was created by a Swedish bank several decades after Nobel’s death.

Posted by: Planner | Oct 30 2024 21:24 utc | 194

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 30 2024 20:06 utc | 193
A very thoughtful response Oriental voice. Although I wish you had read all of it.
The broad point is that monetary instruments can be made of a commodity but that commodity itself is not a monetary instrument.
Marco Polo noted that in the Chinese province of Kain-du:
“There are salt springs, from which they manufacture salt by boiling it in small pans. When the water is boiled for an hour, it becomes a kind of paste, which is formed into cakes of the value of two pence each. […] On this latter species of money the stamp of the grand khan is impressed, and it cannot be prepared by any other than his own officers. Eighty of the cakes are made to pass for a saggio of gold. But when these cakes are carried by traders amongst the inhabitants of the mountains, and other parts little frequented, they obtain a saggio of gold for sixty, fifty, or even forty of the salt cakes, in proportion as they find the natives less civilized.”
It seems that salt cakes issued by an emperor (“grand khan”) might have circulated as monetary instruments. However, a lot of details are missing from this description: There always is in the history books.
1.What were the unit of account and face value?
2. What was the term to maturity? Were the cakes accepted in payment of dues at any time by the emperor?
3.What were the means for the emperor to make the previous financial characteristics a reality? I.e., what were the reflux mechanics? Did the emperor levy dues that could be paid with salt cakes at par? Did the cakes provide conversion into something? Etc. Bearers need to be convinced so trust about the issuer must be established.
The bit about the amount of gold that salt cakes could buy is irrelevant. Polo is just telling us that a commodity (gold bullions) was cheaper in the mountains. He might as well have told us about how different the price of apples and potatoes are in different parts of the country.
Monetary instruments are not a natural occurrence and for a commodity to become a monetary instruments some specific financial characteristics must be added: a unit of account, a face value, a term to maturity, among others. All this requires an issuer who promises to implement these financial characteristics.
Every election has been over who controls the unit of account. What they want to do with it. So have most wars.
The many problems thinking it is just a means of exchange. Are tenfold , Anthropologists, among others, listed many…
HERE: the Problem.
https://neweconomicperspectives.org/2016/05/money-banking-part-16-faqs-monetary-systems.html#more-10389
After they win the election the very first thing they tell you is what they are going to do with that sovereign power.
A discussion we can have On the non Ukraine , non Palenstine thread one day.
At least Oriental voice, we can get popcorn out and watch the charade they call the American elections. We can both agree on that.
🙂

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 30 2024 21:36 utc | 195

Posted by: UWDude | Oct 30 2024 1:03 utc | 148 “‘very’ means you are using useless adjectives to bolster your case…it is the purview of liars and lawyers, same thing….why cant all you midwits just talk honestly…?” Because “very doubtful” emphasizes that the claim bordered on stupid or crazy or simply made up BS. It emphasizes sharp disagreement without using simple-minded abuse instead, like a lower level wit. Also, keeping words sweeter just in cases I made a mistake in something, makes eating them easier. Try it sometime.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 30 2024 2:36 utc | 157 The peculiar wording of the 13th Amendment seems to have been copied from the clause in the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 forbidding slavery in the Northwest territories, as today’s Midwest was then called.
Posted by: Jane | Oct 30 2024 1:03 utc | 147 Quoting this from Jane@104—“Purple developments in some states has triggered attempts at fraud to keep things from changing from blue to red…”—and calling this untruth dishonest is not verbal abuse. That’s just another lie.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 30 2024 23:38 utc | 196