How Media Continue To Discredit Themselves
Do they not understand how boring this nonsense is?
How Russia, China and Iran Are Interfering in the Presidential Election (archived) - New York Times
Eight years after Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election, foreign influence with American voters has grown more sophisticated. That could have outsize consequences in the 2024 race.
Written by three 'journalists' and published at the top of the NYT's homepage the intro reads:
When Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, spreading divisive and inflammatory posts online to stoke outrage, its posts were brash and riddled with spelling errors and strange syntax. They were designed to get attention by any means necessary.“Hillary is a Satan,” one Russian-made Facebook post read.
Posts like that 'one Russian-made Facebook post' (seen by how many?) 'interfered' in the 2016 election and were the reason for Hillery's loss?
Now, eight years later, foreign interference in American elections has become far more sophisticated, and far more difficult to track.Disinformation from abroad — particularly from Russia, China and Iran — has matured into a consistent and pernicious threat, as the countries test, iterate and deploy increasingly nuanced tactics, according to U.S. intelligence and defense officials, tech companies and academic researchers. The ability to sway even a small pocket of Americans could have outsize consequences for the presidential election, which polls generally consider a neck-and-neck race.
U.S. presidential election campaigns spend billions of dollars on fine tuned advertisements aimed at carefully targeted micro-audiences. It isn't even plausible that social media posts by this or that foreign actor could have comparable effects.
Russia, according to American intelligence assessments, aims to bolster the candidacy of former President Donald J. Trump, while Iran favors his opponent, Vice President Kamala Harris. China appears to have no preferred outcome.
Should we not be especially afraid of the 'sophisticated' and 'difficult to track' foreign interference by China because it has no preferred outcome?
Here is the NYT's example for it:
This year, a deepfake video of a Republican congressman from Virginia circulated on TikTok, accompanied by a Chinese caption falsely claiming that the politician was soliciting votes for a critic of Beijing who sought (and later won) the Taiwanese presidency.
How could a fake video of a Republican congressman with Chinese caption that was used to discredit a Taiwanese politician influence a U.S. election in which China has 'no preferred outcome'? What is the logic therein?
I have no idea. Nor has the New York Times. It just claims that it does.
Whoever works in western media which carries nonsense like the above should contemplate how much they are contributing to this:
For the third consecutive year, more U.S. adults have no trust at all in the media (36%) than trust it a great deal or fair amount. Another 33% of Americans express “not very much” confidence.
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The biggest election interference comes from Netanyahu and the Likud
Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2024 9:35 utc | 2
From a Chinese perspective, Kamala IS probably the preferred outcome, because "her" administration (i.e. whoever the handlers behind Biden are) should maintain the US on its current downward slope.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 29 2024 9:39 utc | 3
Odd that at the same time the NYT tries to drum up hysteria over supposed Chinese, Russian and Iranian interference in the US Presidential elections, it either has nothing to say about or is quite comfortable with British Labour's attempts to influence the election in the Democrats' favour. The NYT's bias and hypocrisy won't have gone unnoticed by astute Americans reading alternative news media.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 29 2024 9:50 utc | 4
Larry Johnson has a post on this subject today:
https://sonar21.com/podcast-monday-what-a-difference-eight-years-makes/
It contains this quote from Jeff Bezos complaining about the lack of trust in MSM now, where he says "We must work harder to control what we can control to increase our credibility."
Lol, how about just telling the truth.
Posted by: Vortex | Oct 29 2024 9:56 utc | 5
Do they not understand how boring this nonsense is?
I dunno, I think it's pretty obvious that this is going to be a recurring theme until the entire MSM dies decades from now. That entire group's market share (and thus revenue) is at threat from alternative media. What the hell do you expect them to do/say other than to criticize their competition?
I mean, if you just look at media as an industry instead of some medium for conveying truth, the analysis and strategies are sort of obvious.
This industry is just particularly unique because the established players' profits are going down at the same time that people's consumption of media is rising. If you include music and movies as part of the same industry (which is fair, since they are all owned and run by the same people), there aren't too many other industries that I am aware of that have the same issues, but it leads to a very long, slow death, and so lots of protest over a prolonged time frame.
For the third consecutive year, more U.S. adults have no trust at all in the media (36%) than trust it a great deal or fair amount. Another 33% of Americans express “not very much” confidence.
I am actually most fascinated about the remaining 31%. What the hell are they reading?
Posted by: NotThisAgain | Oct 29 2024 10:08 utc | 6
An interesting aspect of this NY Times article is its obsession with AI. It complains that when you ask questions to chatbots they will include information from fake news sites like Houston Post. What it doesn't mention is that that usually happens when these are the only sources that match with very specific questions. Quite likely you will only see this when you read some rumor and want to know more.
This looks like an implicit call for AI companies to become selective in their sources. It will be interesting to see how far this will go. Will they completely ban such sites or will they just add some warning that the source may not be reliable?
The whole thing is a massive con, bordering on farce, as if a few TikTok videos will over-ride the billions paid by the lying campaigns themselves. North Korea must feel a bit left out as they didn't manage to get on the axis of evil team.
Never mind the lack of evidence, they are so clever, and cover their tracks really well. But they're there and they're interfering. Too busy reading between the lines to notice what is actually written on the lines themselves. LOL.
Posted by: ZimZum | Oct 29 2024 10:16 utc | 8
Oh really! The NYT needs to take a look at the recent Georgia election where the defeated pro-eu party has called for demonstrations in tablisi....backed, of course, by the eu and the west......NOW THAT IS REALLY INTERFERENCE.....not stealth or a bet.....ACTUAL interference
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 29 2024 10:27 utc | 10
Hillary Clinton declared on CNN that "we lose total control" if social media content is not more regulated ...
"The biggest election interference comes from Netanyahu and the Likud"
@Exile | Oct 29 2024 9:35 utc | 2
And netanyahu and Likud constitute the imperial stooges for the imperial Beachhead entirely a creation of the empire and in the interest of the oligarchic collective employing it.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 29 2024 11:10 utc | 12
Consortium News is back with a new IP address: 160.153.0.210
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Oct 29 2024 11:15 utc | 13
China prefers Harris over Trump because Trump will in 2026 during the NPR arm Pacific nuclear submarines with tactical nukes like he did to Atlantic nuclear sumbarines after the 2016 NPR. Tactical nukes in the Pacific will have huge consequences. China will need to keep on building nukes. At least 1000 additional nukes. For that reason alone China should definitely want Harris elected.
Posted by: errnope | Oct 29 2024 11:16 utc | 14
I don't think China has much specific desires of the election outcome in USA. The Chinese leadership is increasingly confident in it's own state apparatus, geopolitical position and economic state.
Trump may be more willing to engage China with diplomatic posturing and outreach along with a higher desidert to end global conflicts, but it remains to see how far he can get.
Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Oct 29 2024 11:22 utc | 15
Always with the projection. Of course the country that compulsively meddles in elections around the world would assume that everyone is meddling in its elections. It would also believe that it should be immune to foreign meddling (unless it’s Israeli, that’s just lobbying).
Of course there’s no real reason for anyone to meddle in U.S. elections. US foreign policy does not change significantly based on presidential elections anyhow. If these nations were trying to accomplish something with election interference it would be to weaken the U.S. There’s no need. Both candidates will do that effectively without Russians or Chinese actions.
The funny thing is that the U.S. will have its third election in a row where “half” the country believes the election was stolen regardless of who wins. That’s completely internal and far more valuable to the supposed project of Russia, China and Iran trying to bring down the U.S. than any election interference they could execute.
Posted by: Lex | Oct 29 2024 11:29 utc | 16
Do they not understand how boring this nonsense is?
If they did, they wouldn't be doing it.
Posted by: Arctaroll | Oct 29 2024 11:40 utc | 17
Posted by: Lex | Oct 29 2024 11:29 utc | 16
The funny thing is that the U.S. will have its third election in a row where “half” the country believes the election was stolen regardless of who wins.
Correction: one half believes that the election was/will be stolen and that is a bad thing and the other half believes that the election was/will be stolen and that is a good thing.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 29 2024 11:57 utc | 18
If the people of the West would get the real news that is on TV in just Turkey alone - they would start de-programming with the Ra Ra Israeli cheerleading BS and see what the murderous Zionist "Jews" and their USG puppet have done to Gaza and Lebanon. Feed them the reality 24/7 and the lynching would hopefully - begin.
Posted by: GMC | Oct 29 2024 12:00 utc | 19
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 29 2024 9:34 utc | 1
Oooooh... PENETRATION! Those commie Chinks are DEVIOUS and KINKY!
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 29 2024 12:16 utc | 20
Posted by: Arctaroll | Oct 29 2024 11:40 utc | 17
Boring repetition is propaganda brainwashing 101. Of course they'd still be doing it.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 29 2024 12:18 utc | 21
West media bias regarding China is beyond a joke.
Amazing world-changing things are happening in China.
Solar electricity technology developments and reduced prices promise to transform global energy supply.
Chinese-led (virtually monopolised) development of EV batteries has led to fast advancing battery performance.
With range approaching that of fuel cars (600km +), fire risk now miniscule, lifetime now longer than that of the EV car,
all the old arguments against EVs are nullified.
Yes the west media is silent about all this as their politicians engage in futile, racist and self defeating sanctions against China for no other reason than they never liked the Chinese - western leaders are common and garden racists.
If that wasn't enough, the Chinese might even have cracked the challenge of fusion power.
As well as advancing innovative nuclear power designs such as thorium.
So I look today on the BBC for any stories about these monumental developments in China,
I find one story only,
about a police crackdown in Shanghai against Halloween revellers.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Oct 29 2024 12:18 utc | 22
These foreign propaganda missiles are all allowed under the First Amendment
If an idea, a false but of data would throw this nation so off course, then this nation has other real issues with truth and reality.
Posted by: Scottindallas | Oct 29 2024 12:19 utc | 23
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Oct 29 2024 11:15 utc | 13
Thanks. Good news. And if they had to get a new IP, it should be pretty easy to track the perps using the old one.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 29 2024 12:20 utc | 24
The Israeli Lobby spent $15 million to defeat Bowman in a primary election. They are allowed free run over the US political system while others are viewed under a magnifying glass to search for faults.
Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 29 2024 12:23 utc | 27
Consortium News is back with a new IP address: 160.153.0.210
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Oct 29 2024 11:15 utc | 13
No it's not. Your link resolves to the same stolen domain hosting a stupid architecture firm's fake website. I'll try the IP addy directly next.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 29 2024 12:23 utc | 28
Errnope, er, nope. Nikes are useless. Trump is just deranged, there's no policy there. He's mercurial, he has no consistency, he's not as good a leader as Jerry Jones
Posted by: Scottindallas | Oct 29 2024 12:25 utc | 29
We have reached a state of things that make 1984 look mild.
1984 was a warning , not a blueprint…
Posted by: Newbie | Oct 29 2024 12:33 utc | 30
Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 29 2024 12:18 utc | 21
These "Commie chinks" have an average IQ five points higher than the US, no tradition of free speech, and tremendous ethnic solidarity. Currently eating the West's lunch.
https://www.fingleton.net/the-rise-of-east-asia-and-an-epochal-threat-to-american-freedoms-2/
"The conclusion is epochal: a system that rivals Soviet communism in its grim suppression of individualism is now powerfully outperforming American free-market capitalism. The outperformance is most obvious in international trade but on closer examination the Confucian system’s superior wealth-creating capabilities are evident almost right across the board.
In short we are witnessing a fundamental revolution in the human condition. The world is transitioning from an era when free societies did well precisely because they were free, to a new era in which authoritarian societies are doing well precisely because they are authoritarian."
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 29 2024 12:53 utc | 31
The whole argument is nonsense. It's irrelevant if a facebook post manages to outdo billions of dollars worth of targeted ads, and whether its origins are foreign, domestic, genuine or manipulative -- any influence that it might have on a person's political inclination or voting preference is perfectly legitimate. Just like if reading a piece of literature from the 18'th century, or finding an apt historical parallel, adds to one's perspective of contemporary politics, it hardly makes sense to dismiss that as a time-traveling influence operation concocted by the long-dead, but that's basically the foreign influence argument in a nutshell.
If your country's citizens are swayed by the opinions of foreigners, good -- foreign policy is key and always bleeds into domestic policy. If they can be tricked into voting for the "wrong" candidate, tough luck -- if it's a sizeable enough portion of the population, the situation has been created intentionally for easy control of the electorate; who wants a discerning citizenry? Everything apart from outright coercion, threats, violence and ballot manipulation, any process that is geared towards changing the minds and opinions of people, particularly where engaging with that process is an individual choice rather than requirement, is perfectly legitimate. That significant numbers of people buy into narratives which undermine that legitimacy is a strong indicator of underdeveloped societal intelligence.
Not that it really matters much in the US, I don't think, since the difference between an informed and discerning choice and pulling a random name out of a hat would be nigh identical, preserving all crucial pillars of the entrenched bureaucracy, elites and decision-makers. Voting wont fix what's broken.
Posted by: Skiffer | Oct 29 2024 13:09 utc | 32
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
- Joseph Goebbels
Posted by: Autumn | Oct 29 2024 13:12 utc | 33
from Simplicius:
"It’s actually incredible when you step back a moment and consider how the West lives increasingly in a total fantasy construct. On every global issue or flashpoint, Western media no longer exercises even the barest scruples, instead blanketly reporting the most fantastical tales with zero corroboration. In Iran we’re expected to believe Israel “decimated” the entire Iranian air defense network, countless major labs and buildings, despite zero proof apart from a single grainy satellite photo that shows a slight discoloration somewhere—far less proof than we got from Iran’s much more massive strike on Israeli bases during True Promise 2.0.
In Georgia, Western press reports with shameless authority that the election was ‘stolen’ despite no credible evidence. The entire Western order has at this point in its lurid, terminal panic given up on not only truth, but any and all foundational values that have made Western civilization what it was. Threats, lies, and propaganda are flung with no accountability or attempt at justification; it seems we’ve entered the rapid parabolic singularity point of the ‘post-truth’ era in the West. Just like how the Federal Reserve must now exponentiate its printing cycles just to stave off collapse, Western intelligentsia and its corrupt crony political class must now likewise balloon their brazen lies to infinity just to keep from drowning in them as if the buoyancy of volume will keep them up.
Granted, the above is just a general observation on the state of things—particularly in the pre-election news-cycle the sheer unrepentant nature of the gaslighting now witnessed daily is unprecedented."
Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 29 2024 13:21 utc | 34
The U.S deep state interfered with it's own elections in 2020. Whether anyone is interfering in the current election for Trump doesn't really matter as Trump is the obvious choice to any American that wants to save our republic and not live under tyranny.
Posted by: Fortuna | Oct 29 2024 13:24 utc | 35
I know plenty of "educated" people who still believe in the Trump/Russia nonsense. Maintaining my sanity during the pandemic was aided by Mattias Desmet who taught me that a higher proportion of the educated are susceptible to groupthink.
Posted by: Chris N | Oct 29 2024 13:27 utc | 36
Journalistic malpractice has been a recurring theme on this site, and it’s actually what ultimately led me to MoA in search of real information. I stumbled upon this place, a place I now spend more time on than any other on the internet (and God knows I need to pony up!), at the beginning of the SMO. The MSM’s uniform cacophony of “unprovoked” immediately alerted me to the fact that I was being gaslighted, just like the Russia “collusion” hoax about five years earlier, which I immediately called bullshit on in early 2017. I knew the history of Maidan and the war on the Donbas, and the Minsk agreements, and the frantic last minute efforts by Putin to get the West to stop its provocations that were at least 15 years in the making. The good news is, I think, only the elites and their courtiers believe the lies anymore. Maybe that’s the 31% referred to who still trust corporate media.
Posted by: KMRIA | Oct 29 2024 13:39 utc | 37
When Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, spreading divisive and inflammatory posts online to stoke outrage, its posts were brash and riddled with spelling errors and strange syntax. They were designed to get attention by any means necessary. “Hillary is a Satan,” one Russian-made Facebook post read.
". . divisive and inflammatory posts online" Oh, the outrage, how dare they? I have it on good authority that the Russians were posting on Facebook that Hillary wore pantsuits to hide her cankles. Never has America been under a greater threat.
Posted by: Mike R | Oct 29 2024 13:42 utc | 38
Breaking....
Young boy arrested for subversion and election interference for shouting that the emperor was naked.
The Department of freedom-Democracy and Justice expect to find out who behind the subversive act using water boarding and solitary confinement.
Posted by: Bartholomew Cubbins | Oct 29 2024 13:50 utc | 39
Funny, I was under the impression that the biggest foreign interference in US elections come curtesy of Sir Keir Starmer and an increasingly unhinged Netanyahu.
Sir Keir has sent some of his Labour Party functionaries to work directly for that Harris campaign team - no wimpy cut-outs or plausible-deniability trick for that Night of the Realm!
And as for Netanyahu, well, a grifter's gotta' grift, am I right?
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 29 2024 13:54 utc | 40
In short we are witnessing a fundamental revolution in the human condition. The world is transitioning from an era when free societies did well precisely because they were free, to a new era in which authoritarian societies are doing well precisely because they are authoritarian."
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 29 2024 12:53 utc | 31
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Yes. ‘Free labor’ slave labor in a capitalist system to benefit the few is transitioning to regulated labor to benefit the many.
Posted by: financial matters | Oct 29 2024 14:07 utc | 41
So which one of these foreign actors made the totally cringe ad "Men For Harris"?
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Oct 29 2024 14:23 utc | 42
"..according to U.S. intelligence and defense officials, tech companies and academic researchers."
Now that's close to 50% of what Ray McGovern terms the MICIMAT right there. Talk about collusion...
But that line about China trying to influence a campaign towards a "no preferred outcome" really takes the biscuit though. The sad part is, i know people who still buy into this crap, hook line and stinker.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 29 2024 14:26 utc | 43
The MSM are the new Henry Ford : you must buy our deep state in any color as long as it's black...
The ones that don't want a deep state of any color, they don't even bother talkind about them...
Posted by: kaderate Yamamoto | Oct 29 2024 14:27 utc | 44
The podcast phenomenon is destroying traditional news sources as Johnson's essay demonstrates. Gallup's latest poll is something BigLie Media doesn't want to report, hoping if it ignores it, it'll go away. And then there're us substack scribes who also point to the media and government lies that further sways the potential news reader away from untruthful sources. The comparison is crazy as the credibility chasm deepens daily. If they lie about that, how can they be believed about this (put whatever you want for that and this)?
Once upon a time, it was enough to invoke the story of the boy who cried wolf to get the media to correct itself. Those days are long gone. And when you research the issue, you'll discover that it goes well back into the 19th Century when mass media was getting started. Today's BigLie Media insists the King is fully clothed when it's clear his naked ugliness is there for all to see when alternative information sources are assessed for facts instead of spin.
Everything THEY accuse anyone else of doing is obviously projection.
THEY not only are doing it, THEY invented it and it worked until it didn’t.
(Most of it by privileged Anglo PR operators)
And when it didn’t work the only excuse THEY come up with is to accuse someone else for their failure because it must be some magik greater than theirs.
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On that note their game plan was thwarted last night it seems.
The busted attempt to railroad Georgians as the latest attempt at overturning election results. - they even sent the grubby ukropian cia asset that set up the maidan shootings and the Odessa trade union burning alive who was spotted lurking around the Tiblisi square with some entourage late that night as the results of the overwhelming popular vote for the incumbent PM were still being counted!
He was caught on camera by someone who recognised him and he tried to start talking in English even! Before scuttling off to a waiting car.
There was probably the same type of evil shit he was planning- for the ‘protests’ last night. Which appear to have come to naught so far.
Looks like many of the paid stooges who came to collect the eu flags being dispensed by a white haired old lady at a table in the middle of that square, avoided the bullet.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2024 14:45 utc | 46
Persistent British manipulation of us elections.
British interference in American elections.
British are pushing for Kamala Harris because they do not like that Trump will not fund British created NATO to the extent USA is doing now.
There is a long history of British interference in US general elections
British interference in American elections.
fact- In the 1988 American election B.B.C. had invited the chief drug dealer of BAT-i.e. british american tobacco-(who of course is an englishman) and there was another American there. During discussion of Ducassis' candidature the B.B.C. anchor man suggested to the American that the opponent of bush was hardly an American as he looked to dark and was Greek, the country of geek being too much near Africa. It really happened. This shows a few things. According to B.B.C. not only Blacks were not American but also all those who the english agents have labelled ethnic Americans. In fact B.B.C. openly said (in that program-usually B.B.C. does not reveal its evil intention so easily) that the American means actually anglo-saxons. The whole propaganda and racial slur was provided by BBC.the way George H.W. Bush finished off Michael Dukakis in 1988. Lee Atwater, Bush’s smear manager, picked up Al Gore’s use of Horton – the black rapist furloughed for a weekend, under a law passed by Gov. Dukakis – and retooled it, throwing in slurs about Dukakis as being some foreign outsiderDon't confuse that white includes Germans either. The same English agents (in America) who created a monstrous film like ``birth of nation`` are the same people who crated prohibition only because many German immigrants were drinking bear and they did not like it. It is the same england sympathiser crowd who went on killing blacks, Irish,etc -now how come about that every President who wanted to take stand independent of Britain in America on Domestic or Foreign has either been made impotent or killed(Abraham Lincoln, Kennedy, Robert Kennedy)To understand that one has to remember British propaganda machinary(all sorts of media,BBB.,Papars, govt,etc) and brititish agents in America .Britain has always acted like a heyena(or dog) who let two or Three Lions(OF Europe like France, GermansSpanishItalians-all aristrocatic races campared to pirate turned shopkeepers of England)fight amongst and then the kill(loot) would be enjoyed by the heyana.
Posted by: Sam | Oct 29 2024 14:49 utc | 47
There are reasons why I consider myself a "recovering journalist". Beginning of the awakening was when I was a student at the University of Minnesota in the early 60's. Wrote a few letters to the editor and spent small amounts of time in the room where the student newspaper the Minnesota Daily (Doily) was staffed. Seems like all the principals there were already of the same mindset...Hubert Humphrey "liberals". Going along to get along in order to get a job in one of the principal metro dailies, was the unspoken meme.
Also took one journo course at that institution. Course was on public opinion polling. Totally a waste of time...just garbage. Passed the course with an easy "B" while having attended maybe a third of the classes. It was that experience, amongst several others which convinced me that the "You of Em" was nothing more than an industrial-scale diploma mill...calculated to recruit nitwits for various "sit on your ass all day" white-collar slots.
Dropped outta that institution at the end of the winter quarter in '68...THE year of rebellion amongst younger Americans who got it. With only five credits to go to become a titled aristocrap with three letters tailing my surname; I shitcanned the entire institutionalization process.
Took a job as a copywriter at a downtown Mpls ad agency. That lasted half a year when I was recruited to become a reporter/photographer for the suburban newspaper chain. After three weeks of showing my stuff, I was taken on as the editor of one of those publications. Held the job for nearly a year, when intuition called me to head west young man to the City by the Bay, where I was soon recruited to edit one of that town's pro-hippie street papers. Wrote what I pleased to share in that publication during that last year of the 60's. By early '70 that was all over and I headed south to LaLaLand to do some "movement" work until July of '70. End of August and it found me back in Mn. Took on a reporter, photographer, associate editor job in a small Northwoods city.
In the Spring of '73 I was fired for not having the proper "skin tone" on the proboscis. So the next step was to put out a monthly on a bit of a mission. The effort proved quite successful, but certainly not so financially. Finally burned out after 56 editions; decision was made to drop it cold, sell the car and take the "Grand Tour" of N.W. Europe for some five months; armed with mainframe backpack, sleeping-bag, tent, walking-stick Embla and a Stetson, enhanced by feathers and flowers. Learned a few things over those $2,000 months. Met a lot of people. Taken in by families and a few individuals. Got some new perspectives.
Some 3+ years later, put out a magazine which was non-political; but was unable to get mass circulation due to the fact that the Minnesota company which was running distribution of publications was not interested in any which did not produce several magazines. Welcome to corporate control over information distribution. Another lesson learned. Did keep the artistically successful, but financially shaky production going for about three years and then dropped it in general frustration due to economic imperatives.
Next twelve years segued into an over the road antiques venture, traveling 25 states and many thousands of miles...essentially living by the wits without falling into the cheating traps which a number of dealer acquaintances practiced. That all came to a halt in'96 with my 85 Y.O. father dying of cancer and in need of some home care. Living on a modest inheritance and enjoying a homestead experience on a small bit of land where the scene was a few small animals, wood heating, wood cookstove, walking water and a running outhouse.
Rat-race in this terminally degraded Murrikkkan cult-sure...owned by a handful of trillionaires who call all the shots...was basically resolved...at least on a personal basis
. A new-world is immanent in this time of chaos and devastation. The system will collapse due to the fact that there are very few adults left in the room. Millions are seeking new ways of living here in the Ruptured Republic...and likely even in massively deracinated Western nations in general. The rest of the world has had all the "Rules Based Order" they can stand. Despite the Plandemic and other assaults on the mass of humanity; there will be an answer..."Let it Be".
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 29 2024 15:03 utc | 48
Breaking....
Young boy arrested for subversion and election interference for shouting that the emperor was naked.
The Department of freedom-Democracy and Justice expect to find out who behind the subversive act using water boarding and solitary confinement.
Posted by: Bartholomew Cubbins | Oct 29 2024 13:50 utc | 39
That's clever. They'd shoot the kid on site and claim it was an attempted terror attack or he was being used as a human shield.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 29 2024 15:04 utc | 49
P & I
US is spending $28 billion on Sinophobic propaganda to colonise your brain
By Eugene Doyle
Oct 22, 2024
How does gringo, limey, canuck, Aussies, kiwis feel, to be kept in the dark and fed bullshit all day long, like mushroom at their own expense ?
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The garden is always full of it..lots of mushrooms waiting to be fed !
Posted by: denk | Oct 29 2024 15:05 utc | 50
Financial Matters@1407
"transition to regulated labor to benefit the many". W.T. F. With the bank$ter trillionaires calling all the shots; the system of enserfment has transitioned into hypersonic warp-speed. The WEF is working assiduously to eliminate all us "useless eaters" in their 500 million survivors "putopia".
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 29 2024 15:11 utc | 51
Hillary won the popular vote but lost the election, thanks to the undemocratic electoral college. So currently the
aspirants only campaign in the 'battleground states.' It's not the first time. Five others won the popular vote but lost the election.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 15:15 utc | 52
karlof1@1437
"Credibility Chasm". Love it. Succinct and precise. Would make for an excellent book title...or at least another substack motif for anyone champing at the bit to join the chorus.
Also, a great soundbite for Tucker Carlson or some other podcaster.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 29 2024 15:18 utc | 53
KMRIA@1339
That 31 % who still believe everything they are being Bernaysed to swallow are best described as "The Terminally Deluded". As most of them faithfully took the jab...that proportion of the population is rapidly dissolving.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 29 2024 15:22 utc | 54
Sorry, Americans, but only we are responsible for our decline, not China, Russia, Israel, or the Man in the Moon.
Posted by: lester | Oct 29 2024 15:22 utc | 55
aristodemos | Oct 29 2024 15:03 utc | 48
I found your story fascinating, sounds like that Kerouac book On the road. You have few years on me based on the dates you gave for when you attended school. I hope your health stays and the aches disappear.
We will spend the night of 5 November in Sleepy Eye. would love to share a whisky with you
Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 29 2024 15:28 utc | 56
» It isn't even plausible that social media posts by this or that foreign actor could have comparable effects. «
Agree in general, but the smallest droplet of actual truth can, in time, have outsize effects.
It can trigger people to do some research and eventually shift their perception wholesale.
Posted by: Webej | Oct 29 2024 15:29 utc | 57
Chris N @1327
When John D. Rottenfeller massively funded the nation's first "college of education" at Columbia University, just after the First World War...the template was financially established for the deliberate dumbing down of the American people. Not that there were not "suckers born every minute" as per P.T. Barnum, back in the 19th Century...a probable majority, or at least a large plurality of Americans were decently well informed and wise to the ways of the world.
Fast forward into the last 60 years or so, most particularly in about '57, the year when a majority of Murrikkkans owned a boobtoob...the dumbing down of the nation, most particularly those who had been edumacasionally programmed at institutions of "higher" learning...has steadily metastasized within that demographic. There are high levels of not only intellectual, but more common-sense devolution amongst those who have a long tail of capitalized letters trailing after their surnames.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 29 2024 15:29 utc | 58
the disinfo is coming directly from the nyt, wapo and other msm outlets in the usa... and the mueller investigation found what??? the usa and all its institutions are becoming more unhinged by the day....
you nailed it at the end b... thanks.. expect that trend to continue with these doofuses running things..
Posted by: james | Oct 29 2024 15:33 utc | 59
Re my 51
Al Gore won the 2000 national popular vote by more than 500,000 votes, but narrowly lost Florida, giving the Electoral College to George W Bush 271 to 266.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 15:34 utc | 60
Sept 16th, the Federal Reserve dictates an emergency cut in the Fed Funds Rate of .50%.
The longer term 10 year note, bellweather, was at 3.6%, now it is at 4.35%.
Yessirree, insatiable addiction to debt requires increased costs for the Money Drug Dealer.
Russia's biggest advantage is American "Exceptionalism."
Posted by: kupkee | Oct 29 2024 15:39 utc | 61
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2024 14:45 utc | 46
Where can I learn more about the incident in Tiblisi with the individual involved with Maidan and May 2 Odessa? Thank you!
Posted by: lex talionis | Oct 29 2024 15:42 utc | 62
@ Chris N | Oct 29 2024 13:27 utc | 36
"groupThink"
It is commonly thought that "low-information" people are easily manipulated.
Research in the fifties, in the wake of WW2 and the Nazis, showed that the groups most and least susceptible to propaganda were:
1. Intellectuals
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99. Farmers
Posted by: Webej | Oct 29 2024 15:42 utc | 63
Posted by: fanto | Oct 29 2024 2:24 utc | 252
Fanto - yes. That's the core of it.
Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 29 2024 15:44 utc | 64
DonBacon@1515
Appears that you are still one of those who delusionarily believe that the U$$A is a democracy. Not hardly. Though currently ruptured, America started out as a REPUBLIC. The term is based upon a couple of Latin words: "Res", signifying "rule" or "reign" by the "Publica"...that is the whole of the people being the source of all political power.
Originally, the Republic was created to contain a system of balances. Pure democracy on a massive, national scale is anything but true democracy...a system which only exists in such states as have township governance. That iteration of democracy, the annual town-meeting is comprised of all voting age residents of said township. When an issue is brought before the assembly, a show of hands is called. Should a majority of the voters choose to accept a particular presentation, the motion carries and it becomes township law.
Democracy in action is only possible on a highly localized basis.
Thus, your assertion that the original balance-wheel of the Electoral College is "Undemocratic" is, whether you approve of actual republican values or not...an uninformed assertion. Why? Essentially, huge cities engender political machines, such as that of the Daley regime in Chicago...a dispenser of city jobs and similar endowments for those who go along with the orders of the machine. Currently, this system still operates, but in more discrete manners. The go-to now is a combination of unnecessary mailed in ballots and voting machines.
When machines count the votes (easily pre-programmed or hacked) VOTER's VOTES DON'T COUNT.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 29 2024 15:45 utc | 65
Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 15:15 utc | 51
"undemocratic electoral college"
The electoral college is not itself undemocratic (unless you think the 25.1% of the 50% who actually vote get to rule over the other 74.9%). But the tradition of all the electors in a State going the same way definitely is. A stupid tradition. Formerly the State House picked the electors, and the electors voted their conscience. The electoral college was an attempt to free politics from the power of uninformed public opinion rabble, such as in large cities such as London/Paris -- in the 18th century). O, by the way, universal franchise was only achieved shortly before women got the vote, before that only property owners voted.
Posted by: Webej | Oct 29 2024 15:53 utc | 66
@ aristodemos | Oct 29 2024 15:03 utc | 48
Thanks for sharing your life story. That was very interesting. I don't always agree with you on everything, but we share a lot too.
Posted by: Cabe | Oct 29 2024 15:54 utc | 67
Re 64 & 65
The undemocratic electoral college is obviously a major factor in why many people (say, in California) don't vote, probably more of a factor than in any false "news" report. And, the media shuns this terrible situation.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 16:05 utc | 68
@b
It gets better than that. I would bet large sums of money, that the majority of the 21% that have some or full trust in the media are seniors - people over the age of 60. They grew up when these publications were credible and still believe that, mostly.
The remainder (with considerable overlap) are the professional/managerial class: the CEOs, the consultants, the federal bureaucrats, the politicians, the banksters and what not.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 29 2024 16:08 utc | 69
S is back and the first part is about gaslighting galore by the MSM
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-102824-russia-unleashes-lightning
Posted by: Newbie | Oct 29 2024 16:12 utc | 70
Thank you b, thank you to all the community here, you’ve kept me sane for many years! I’ve only communicated here a couple of times, you’re all eloquent in your own way and I’m saying this now, cause one never knows when we’ll all be by the wayside! Much love and respect
Posted by: Bella | Oct 29 2024 16:13 utc | 71
As for today's topic, yes, the MSM are terrible and, yes, the whole campaign against Russia and China is possibly the single most disgusting manifestation of the ruling elite behavior at this time, except for the Gaza genocide, which really beats all as the worst.
However, it is quite normal for a ruling elite to accuse its internal opponents of treason with their imagined external enemies, so they are just following an old playbook. The practice of the worst of all the US presidents, the authoritarian and humorless Woodrow Wilson comes to mind, accusing others of supporting or enabling the German enemy in the First World War.
The question is, what to do about it. On the one hand, one could follow the advice of the Daodejing or the alleged Vietnamese proverb, "When the wind blows, the grass lies down." Or one can kick at the swords of oppression. It is hard to tell what would work.
In the case of the MSM, one can at least engage with others one on one to try to persuade them of the truth. But with USAans, that is a hard sell, because the public discourses here, starting with exceptionalist indoctrination in school, make them very resistant to having their views amended, let alone reversed. Maybe pointing out how the military budget and militarism is impoverishing them?
At another level, one can throw back the accusations in the faces of the accusers. To say to them, "You are evil," or "You are monsters," etc., is really ineffective and will just bounce off. Maybe one could ridicule them as clowns and buffoons, and their whole system as a comic opera. But its bloodthirstiness makes humor difficult to do. The only way to provoke them to fly off the handle at you and get enraged, when they become more likely to blow it, I think is to call them traitors and terrorists. Those two words I think could get through their thick skins. One can then elaborate, traitors, because they are seeking the destruction of the people here, and what could be worse treason than that? And terrorists, well, obviously.
The only thing is, I don't like those terms. And I am afraid that joining in the factionalism just will lead to the situation described in Thucydides 3:82-84 on the revolt at Corcyra in 427 BC, which every human being should read and study. Hard to believe we are just like that, but I think we are. What chance do mere demonstrators shouting ethical slogans have in a situation like that?
Posted by: Cabe | Oct 29 2024 16:15 utc | 72
Well, NOBODY in the world would be interested in the declining politics in the USA, a society that produces NOTHING BETTER than Trump or Haris, neither of whom have IQ beasts.
A society and a political system that the world laughs at and just shakes its head. A system that, for whatever reason, thinks it is the best in the world, WITHOUT noticing that it is dying.
UNFORTUNATELY...these "highly intelligent" people (politicians) have power over nuclear weapons and UNFORTUNATELY many are still dependent on the dollar and have to put on a brave face.
But in principle the rest of the world (approx. 80% of the world's population) doesn't give a damn about the USA!!
Posted by: ossi | Oct 29 2024 16:18 utc | 73
@ Bartholomew Cubbins | Oct 29 2024 13:50 utc | 39
they are hiring at the NYT - you have the right qualities!
Posted by: james | Oct 29 2024 16:20 utc | 74
@BroncoBilly | Oct 29 2024 14:23 utc | 42
So which one of these foreign actors made the totally cringe ad "Men For Harris"?I have not seen it, but it must have been the Russians, otherwise it would have been "Them/they For Harris".
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 29 2024 16:23 utc | 75
@james #74
Did not you get the memo? It isn't just qualities, it is pedigree that is important to get hired at the NYT or WaPo or whatnot.
Go to the right schools, have the right degrees, be part of the right social circles.
It is a flat out lie that mere aptitude is sufficient.
This is a major reason underlying the decline.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 29 2024 16:24 utc | 76
@ c1ue | Oct 29 2024 16:24 utc | 76
yes, i know.. i just wanted to highlight cubbins comment as i thought it summarizes the level of deceit and bullshit that the msm produces on a regular basis, but with a twist that i thought was right on..
Posted by: james | Oct 29 2024 16:28 utc | 77
and you make a very good point that also needs to be highlighted.. thanks..
Posted by: james | Oct 29 2024 16:29 utc | 78
The truth is - that the US is interfering in other countries elections all across the globe - from Georgia to Venezuela - the EU/US even tried to assassinate the leader of Slovakia, Robert Fico.
The US had Pakistan's leader Imran Khan imprisoned - the US had the leader of Bangladesh removed - because she wouldn't give the USA the island of Saint Martin -and Hungary has come into the USA and the EU's crosshairs, because its leader Orban - won't supply Ukraine with all sorts of goodies - the US and the EU had 20,000 NGO's actively participating in influencing voters in the Moldovan elections a few days ago.
Much of what ails the world today - is down to US bellicose foreign policies - is it any wonder, then that US is referred to as the Great Satan.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 29 2024 16:47 utc | 79
@lex talionis/61:
Using a translation tool (I prefer DEEPL) you can read the articles written by Thomas Röper in German about this item. Here´s one of them (with links to some others):
https://anti-spiegel.ru/2024/die-osze-hat-kaum-kritik-an-der-wahl-aber-die-opposition-spricht-von-wahlfaelschung/
Concerning MSM (in German it´s "Hauptstrommedien", united globalist propaganda) the funniest thing I met this morning was this one:
https://www. merkur.de/politik/putin-feuert-fast-wirkungslose-schrott-drohnen-aus-schlamm-und-stoecken-auf-die-ukraine-zr-93371708.html
(castrated this crazy nonsense, don´t want to set a real link for such crap)
"Putin is firing nearly effctless UAVs made from mud and stakes against Ukraine" :-B :-B :-B
Posted by: Blue Angel | Oct 29 2024 16:54 utc | 80
Mattias Desmet who taught me that a higher proportion of the educated are susceptible to groupthink.
Posted by: Chris N | Oct 29 2024 13:27 utc | 36
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Hardly original with Desmet.
More interesting: Thomas Frank's "Listen, Liberal!"
Posted by: Jane | Oct 29 2024 16:59 utc | 81
RepublicofScotland/79
This globalis tactic is pure projection, smearing one´s deeds and evil plans onto s. o. else/the enemy.
Posted by: Blue Angel | Oct 29 2024 17:07 utc | 82
financial matters | Oct 29 2024 14:07 utc | 41
"regulated labor to benefit the many"
That's certainly one way of looking at it. You could also add suppressed consumption aka forced saving. In the West, thanks to credit, we consume more than we produce.
"East Asian governments restrict the import of key consumer products. Another important strategy is to minimize consumer credit. Mortgage finance is largely or totally unavailable in many parts of the region. Credit cards are also hard to come by. This point is often missed because American correspondents tend to conflate debit cards with credit cards. According to Fitch Ratings recently, fewer than 30 percent of Chinese adults had at least one credit card, compared to 79 percent in the United States. Meanwhile in many East Asian nations, zoning is so tight that housing is rendered stunningly expensive. Restricted living space means consumers consume less electricity and gas. They also buy fewer appliances and items of furniture. According to the Australia-based statistical website Finder.com, of the ten nations with the world’s most expensive city-center housing recently, six were in East Asia. In descending order they were Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and China.
One further point needs to be noted: much of East Asia’s saving takes the form of corporate profits. Certain special corporations make huge profits through oligopolistic control of, for instance, urban land."
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 29 2024 17:14 utc | 83
Posted by: Blue Angel | Oct 29 2024 16:54 utc | 80
Thank you!
Posted by: Chris N | Oct 29 2024 13:27 utc | 36
Thank you very much!
Here's what I found. Perhaps others are interested. Mass Formation and Totalitarian Thinking in This Time of Global Crisis-Prof. Mattias
Tune for the jukebox. Hammerlock from the wilds of West Oakland.
Hammerlock - Sympathy for a Bureaucrat
Posted by: lex talionis | Oct 29 2024 17:15 utc | 84
I’m sure no organization or EU spends any money on ads on d at octal media in the US or else NYT e we I’ll cover them too! 🤫🤫🤫
Posted by: Allen | Oct 29 2024 17:22 utc | 85
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 29 2024 15:29 utc | 57
Fascinating. Thanks
Posted by: Chris N | Oct 29 2024 17:24 utc | 86
Posted by: Jane | Oct 29 2024 16:59 utc | 81
I'll check that out - thanks
Posted by: Chris N | Oct 29 2024 17:28 utc | 87
Posted by: Webej | Oct 29 2024 15:42 utc | 63
No surprise
Posted by: Chris N | Oct 29 2024 17:29 utc | 88
That 31 % who still believe everything they are being Bernaysed to swallow are best described as "The Terminally Deluded". As most of them faithfully took the jab...that proportion of the population is rapidly dissolving.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 29 2024 15:22 utc | 53
I agree. I would also say many of these people are well-educated. I didn’t say they were intellectuals or that they have wisdom, but they have college degrees. For these folks to come to the realization they are living in a rotting empire would cause such psychic dislocation as to cause an instant nervous breakdown.
And thanks for your post @48. Your story was very informative.
Posted by: KMRIA | Oct 29 2024 17:33 utc | 89
Hillary won the popular vote but lost the election, thanks to the undemocratic electoral college. So currently the
aspirants only campaign in the 'battleground states.' It's not the first time. Five others won the popular vote but lost the election.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 29 2024 15:15 utc | 52
The United States is a Democratic Republic, designed politically so the most populous states don't dictate to the smaller states.
The Senate consists of 2 Senators PER STATE. The House of Representatives is supposed to reflect proportional represention.
And the Electoral College, while imperfect, is the Constitutional Compromise.
Posted by: kupkee | Oct 29 2024 17:43 utc | 90
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 29 2024 12:23 utc | 28
Actually yes, it is back, and in the meanwhile it's been updated with a new post: https://consortiumnews.com/2024/10/29/journalism-democracy-in-a-time-of-genocide/
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Oct 29 2024 17:50 utc | 91
@ Posted by: lex talionis | Oct 29 2024 15:42 utc | 62
Where can I learn more about the incident in Tiblisi with the individual involved with Maidan and May 2 Odessa? Thank you! “
You’re welcome. I’ve really got to start book marking much of such stuff that comes along - there is plenty!
Actual history being caught as eyewitness proof that won’t be so easily memory holed and Narrativised as ‘propaganda’.
The next generation should be much better informed of such skullduggery than we were brought up with for most of the last hundred plus years. I guess that’s our main contribution to b’s excellent MoA bar, long may amateur historians sup at its free knowledge well.
Here is what you asked for:
‘ Julien Benda
@canthavepudding
Oct 27
This is Ukrainian thug Alexei Goncharenko videoed in Tbilisi, Georgia.
Goncharenko was an organizer of the bloody massacre at the Odessa Trade Unions Hall 2014. Around 50 people were killed. Many burnt alive.
Doesn't seem like peace is on the minds of the "freedom&democracy"mob
Oct 27, 2024 · 9:34 AM UTC ‘
https://nitter.poast.org/canthavepudding/status/1850471194144768431#m
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2024 17:51 utc | 92
How Media Continue To Discredit Themselves... Eight years after Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election ... When Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election ...Now, eight years later, foreign interference in American elections has become far more sophisticated ...
Posted by b on October 29, 2024 at 9:01
In the game of high stakes blatant disinformation ... I accept your "Russian interference" ... and raise you some ... Cheese ...
Stolen cheese might be sold abroad - supplier
Cheddar stolen from London cheese specialist Neal’s Yard Dairy may have been shipped abroad to be sold on, a supplier has told the BBC.Truckles of Patrick Holden's Hafod Welsh Cheddar were among the £300,000 worth of produce stolen in a scam on 21 October.
Mr Holden said he believed the con was "sophisticated" and the cheese could have been taken to Russia or the Middle East.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ygw9ye90po
Given that we know for a fact how severely limited Russian military prowess is (and we all know their soldiers are armed with spades), how much do you want to bet that they have recently dusted off their medieval trebuchets and will be loading them with Wallace's finest due to well documented artillery shortages ...
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Oct 29 2024 17:58 utc | 93
WAR MADE EASY -- how presidents and pundits keep spinning us to death.
In War Made Easy, nationally syndicated columnist, media critic, and author Norman Solomon cuts through the dense web of spin to probe and scrutinize the key "perception management" techniques that have played huge rolls in the promotion of American wars in recent decades.
Indeed, “War Made Invisible,” even as it so thoroughly exposes the machinations of the US military, the White House and the State Department to hide the country’s wars and interventions, and even as he provides details of the horrible war crimes and genocidal killing that the US has been perpetrating around the globe, this book is also a kind of update to that classic Ed Herman and Noam Chomsky media analysis work Manufacturing Consent. It is entirely focused upon the way the mainstream corporate media work hand-in-glove with the national security state and Pentagon to hide the costs and the bloody reality of America’s 21st- Century militarism and endless war policy.
Posted by: Donald Bacon | Oct 29 2024 18:02 utc | 94
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2024 17:51 utc | 92
Thank you! There was one guy involved with May 2 that I heard was eliminated. He's a heavy set guy one sees in the footage of that day with a blue shirt and a handgun if I remember correctly. He is quite prominent when they first attacked the tents that were a bit away from the building. You see him later in the footage. I am curious as to who the person seen in Tiblisi is. Thanks.
I encourage you to keep track of the stuff you run across.
I keep a document where I copy links I find that interest me and also the pithy comments of folks here. I often download the links as a pdf in case something strange happens to the website. Like the hack of Consortium News or whatever went on with the Wayback Machine.
Thanks everyone.
Posted by: lex talionis | Oct 29 2024 18:06 utc | 95
Ossi, that "dying country" you mention--isn't that Germany?
Posted by: Archie | Oct 29 2024 18:21 utc | 96
Posted by: lex talionis | Oct 29 2024 18:06 utc | 95
Hey Lex, I don’t know if you have ever seen this documentary called Roses Have Thorns, but there is episode that covers the Odessa Massacre. I think I originally found it on Consortium News. I found it on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxcB0PI4ZLg&list=PLDl9_LuL-uw7Ot9l6V6DTbZg1Zhv98gUv&index=6
Posted by: KMRIA | Oct 29 2024 18:21 utc | 97
@aristodemos | Oct 29 2024 15:03 utc.
Great story, and thanks for sharing it with us. So, if you had to do it over, and could start right now with all the new tech, new situation ... like substack, and the internet, and phenomena like J. Rogan ... what would you do?
It's not like you don't observe, and think, and have opinions. You have a compulsion to report, like many of us.
The problem you, and many others face is that it's tough to make money as a journalist. Of the five or 10 that make money, there's probably a few thousand that don't.
I have to say, I do see some hope aristodemos. Things like the tip jar, and the donate button, and so forth that never really got used in the past seem to be getting ... slowly .. worked into the ethos of the Internet-equipped citizen. And it was the Cash Flow Monster that ate many an aspiring journalist, right?
BTW, I have decided to earmark a Significant Donation for B this Christmas. I am not wealthy, so don't plan any big expenditures, B. But for me-n-my-budget, it'll be something pretty good.
For all the rest of you unpaid reporters - and the Bar's full of them - keep it going, even if you ain't making no Jack. Why? Because it needs to get done.
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Oct 29 2024 18:23 utc | 98
Posted by: denk | Oct 29 2024 15:05 utc | 50
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Criminals holding court
Bandits crying robbery
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Voice of America
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Posted by: denk | Oct 29 2024 18:23 utc | 99
I pray for the Arab states to cut diplomatic relations with the entity 48 hours before the presidential election.
Posted by: Minaa | Oct 29 2024 18:27 utc | 100
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"This year, a deepfake video of a Republican congressman from Virginia circulated on TikTok, accompanied by a Chinese caption falsely claiming that the politician was soliciting votes for a critic of Beijing who sought (and later won) the Taiwanese presidency."
That might, if financial author Eamonn Fingleton is correct in his analysis, be standard operating procedure (aimed at increasing Chinese influence in the US and undermining critics of China) and nothing at all to do with the Presidential election.
https://www.fingleton.net/extract-from-in-the-jaws-of-the-dragon/
"The betting is that China will penetrate American society by stealth in a process best called reverse convergence. Building on the extensive if unobtrusive groundwork laid by earlier East Asian industrializers, China can be expected in the fullness of time to become a major factor in shaping outcomes in Washington. The effect of globalism has been to create a political vacuum in Washington, where an alert eye to the American national interest was once present."
Written in 2007. Fingleton was FT Japan correspondent for 20 years. The FT is now owned by Japan, it's unlikely there'll be a correspondent like him again.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 29 2024 9:34 utc | 1